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Elmore, Ohio

Your edits consistantly make the Elmore, Ohio page increasingly innacurate, but since you have the wikipower, they stand. ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.27.35 (talk) 07:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Roscoe Village, Ohio

Hi! I noticed you reverted my edits on Roscoe Village, Ohio and {{Coshocton County, Ohio}}. I can see your point that, at least from reading the the article on Roscoe Village, it might not require the county nav template. It is contained within Coshocton, Ohio but used to be its own community, which is why I placed it under "other localities". It's not really a neighborhood of Coshocton but used to be its own town. (I have yet to dig into the history and see whether or not it was an incorporated community or not, but it most likely was.) Anyway, it just seemed to me because of the historical community aspect that it deseved a space in the county nav template. Well, enough rambling from me. Let me know what you think. Perhaps the nav templates could include another line: former incorporated communities? Or a new nav template all together for ghost towns and former communities? Cheers, Rkitko ^(talk) 15:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note! I just wanted to note: it's the general practise with county navboxes not to include neighborhoods, regardless of how they became neighborhoods — for example, we don't have one on Ohio City (Cuyahoga County), Ohio. It's the same with other areas that aren't "their own" anymore, such as Mill Creek Township, Hamilton County, Ohio. Thanks for the note, but I don't think it would work. I don't deal much at all with formerly-incorporated-now-annexed-communities such as Roscoe Village or Ohio City, so I haven't a clue whether it would work to have a separate template for them. I can tell you that there aren't many articles on paper townships (such as Mill Creek) statewide, and there aren't that many formerly incorporated communities statewide, so a template would likely be useful only if you made one for the entire state. Perhaps you could propose it on the state wikiproject page, or simply be bold and make one? If you want to go ahead with this, I can give you some names of places in the state that would go on such a template. Nyttend (talk) 20:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the swift reply! I wasn't aware of the county navbox conventions and I can understand why neighborhoods wouldn't be included. Local folks don't consider Roscoe Village to be a neighborhood, though, and still refer to it as if it is its own entity. With grey lines like these it's hard to determine what should and shouldn't be included so I appreciate the input. (As an aside, I'm not an Ohio native, so the process of annexation baffles the hell out of me.) There may not be many paper townships, but there are at least 20 if not 30 ex-communities (post office towns, at least - one pathetically only had a post office for a few months) in Knox County alone that don't have 'pedia articles. Though I wonder about the notability of them all. I plan on eventually creating articles for them when I dig up some reliable sources. I think they will pass WP:N but would appreciate your thoughts. And at what length do you think I should split them from, say, a list of former communities of Knox County, Ohio (any conventions on naming?). I think I can easily make at least two paragraphs for many of them once I get myself down to the Ohio Historical Society Library to collect info. Speaking of which, I plan on going down there this coming Saturday. I'd be happy to grab anything you might need for article improvement or anything you're working on. If nothing comes to mind, I'll extend the offer to anyone at WP:OHIO. Cheers, Rkitko ^(talk) 02:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

In case you didn't look at the GNIS link yet: for Knox County, it lists ten post offices and forty "historical" (former) post offices. I would have given this last night, but for some reason my computer couldn't access GNIS records. Nyttend (talk) 13:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all the info. I did take a look but it kept timing out when I would just do a general search for post offices in Knox County. Individual searches would work if I searched for a specific feature name, but broader searches kept timing out... Odd. I'll try again tonight. Thanks for the link! Cheers, Rkitko ^(talk) 23:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the heads up on the image nominated for deletion - I do not check my Commons page every day, and with the holidays my internet access / time has been limited, so I have not done as much here lately. I left a message on the IP user's COmmons talk page - it could be there is some error in the map that I could correct. Nice pic of Bluffton by the way - I have been there many times. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:44, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

• I actually have the same email set up, but it is to the gmail account I use for Wikipedia email, which I also do not check every day. I have not forgotten about adding the city village etc key to the Ohio county maps. Thanks again, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Grahamsville

I exapnded the redirect into a full article (with a pic). Daniel Case (talk) 06:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Ohio school stubs

I'd been creating the templates as I was doing the sort, but since you seem to have a handle on it (I'd have had to go back and look up which counties go where later), I'll leave it to you to finish the templates. Let me know if you need help with the actual sorting. Caerwine Caer’s whines 01:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

New Hampton, Ohio

Hi, thanks for reworking the article a bit but the former town of New Hampton is not and has never been a neighborhood because no one actually lives in that area, and no local citizen refers to that area as a neighborhood. The only things that exist are the cemetary and a small road (which no one lives on) that was once the old Indian trail it was located on. So my question is, how can it be classified as a neighborhood and what would you suggest as to another category? In the meantime, I have reverted your last edit. Cheers, SeriousKarma (talk) 02:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

The buildings and houses are of the nearby town of West Jefferson. Just south of there are vacant fields near Darby Creek where the former town was established, the area has remained undeveloped except for a few fields. If you grew up in the area, you might have known about the history of West Jefferson and New Hampton. I have ancestors that lived in New Hampton, growing up I have heard the history of the town, and I have taken local history classes where they mentioned New Hampton's history. And to me, New Hampton is a true ghost town because little remains of the former town and I don't see any other category it could possibly be in, but in any case, it is definitely not a neighborhood. Cheers, SeriousKarma (talk) 03:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I have searched online but I haven't been able to find any sources. The only way to be sure of the legal boundaries would be to go to the London, Ohio courthouse and look up the old plat records for the town. And there are also these two books which might have the boundaries listed, Atlas of Madison County by J.A. Caldwell, and The History of Madison County, Ohio by R. C. Brown. I might be able to get this information, but in the meantime please leave the article as it is. Cheers, SeriousKarma (talk) 03:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Windham, Ohio

Greetings again, Nyttend! I see you removed the "see also" link at the top of information I wrote at Windham Township, Portage County, Ohio. I'd put that link in there to indicate that the information came from another article (Windham, Ohio), but used Template:See also as Template:Main wasn't appropriate (i.e. neither article is a sub-article of the other). What is the best way to indicate this? Or should it be indicated at all? -- JeffBillman (talk) 13:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Unblock request

Hello Nyttend, first, a Happy New Year to you! What a funny vandal that places the unblock request before he's blocked at all ;) Happy editing. --Oxymoron⁸³ 18:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks and my bad (on pass afd)

Thanks for the correction. Should have known when it's better to sleep then edit,--Cube lurker (talk) 04:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Frank LaGrotta

I have nominated the article for deletion. Pls see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Frank_LaGrotta , and feel free to comment. I think that it suffers from undue weight, and there's not enough info for a bio.... I look forward to your thoughts. --Jkp212 (talk) 16:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Frank LaGrotta

An editor has nominated Frank LaGrotta, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

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Vandalism

Sorry dude I just love to vandalize wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.10.74 (talk) 02:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Bellefontaine, Ohio

I'm sorry you saw that the paper had more information, but at the time of the edit, WPKO was the only agency reporting the information. I was also at the meeting, so I received the information first hand.

Why not change the source instead of doing away with all of my hard work? Or even starting a discussion about it? Jon99UT (talk) 01:08, 9 January 2008

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I believe the information was contained in the source provided, but maybe some was missing. Regardless, the Examiner has also published the information, which can be viewed here.

If you are in agreement, I would like to revert the information back to my edit, and change the source to reflect the Examiner article. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon99UT (talk • contribs) 14:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you. As for the election, I don't have any problem listing it, but I think that at this point, if it's going to be mentioned, maybe it should have it's own section? I don't really know how relevant it is for the future, as I'm sure we wouldn't log every election on wikipedia. Do you think it should remain? Jon99UT (talk) 01:08, 9 January 2008

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I agree, let's start a small area below the city government information and build on it from there. I'll be the first to admit I don't see a lot of municipal entries on Wikipedia. I'm a lifelong resident of Bellefontaine, so that's why I pay so much attention to that particular entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon99UT (talk • contribs) 13:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Damage you did to Raton, New Mexico's entry

Please undo the damage you did to the entry for the town of Raton, New Mexico: when you took it upon yourself to claim that several unique photographs of the local area's natural beauty, which I took myself and then uploaded to Wikipedia's Creative Commons area, and then legally licensed (attribution only) for others to use ... had no business being seen by the public. Your alterations to that page, in my opinion, are an act of vandalism and/or censorship ... however well intended it might have been at the time. The photos still exist on Wikipedia. All you did was prevent the public from seeing them, when you deleted a list of internal links. It makes no sense for Wikipedia to solicit donations of photographs; and then "hide" them. Wardster321 (talk) 01:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Chris glenne

Thanks for the update. I get the impression this one is fairly Wiki-sophisticated - I may take it over to Sock Puppet as you suggested. Jackollie (talk) 04:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

For making the change. I forgot that I have to put a colon when referring to a category, or I will categorize the page! --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Contribs) 04:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Capitol Hill

I doubt anybody's ever going to type it in exactly like that, but meh... have it your way. :-) east.718 at 04:47, January 10, 2008

re Girard, Kansas

I was wondering what your opinion was on my recent edits to this page. As you can see i've been pretty brutal, mainly because i was pretty shocked at how much of it was copy and pasted from other sources, whole paragraphs came back with exact google matches. I may have been a bit too brutal, when i have time i do intend to re-add some history from the sources, although nowhere as much, since its only a town of 2000ish people, an article similar in size to France didn't seem appropriate--Jac16888 (talk) 03:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

See your talk page for the reply: I read your notice about replying on my talk page, but you'll see that so doing wouldn't work well. Nyttend (talk) 06:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Jac16888 (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Wow. Thank You, thats my first ever barnstar, i never expected that, especially as, when i came across it in the recent changes, i never expected such a major task. I will get back to fixing up the article as soon as i can, although i'm very busy at the moment, life events and everything, so it might be a couple of weeks. I'm wondering if some of the stuff i removed could be written and included in other/new articles, since the sources are very detailed, and talk about the whole county. Will be an interesting learning experience working on history articles, especially since i know nothing about Kansas except that its where Dorothy is from haha--Jac16888 (talk) 11:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Hansel Partida

Thanks for letting me know.

--Clausc (talk) 04:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

O jo kaluguran daka

Just wanted to let you know: O jo kaluguran daka was written in another language, and therefore shouldn't be tagged as nonsense. I deleted it anyway, but because it failed another criterion: failure to assert notability. Nyttend (talk) 04:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, what about the picture and the web links ? O jo kaluguran daka seems to be some kind of lyric indeed (google says). But altogether, it makes no sense (should we consider an article of Wikipedia as a whole piece, or as a patchwork ?). I had thought about using other templates but still, this one seemed to be the most appropriate to me, and I've remarked only now that it's possible to give several reasons. Cenarium (talk) 04:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Do You Live in Brookville, OH

Do you live n Brookville, Ohio?

No. Nyttend (talk) 18:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Then how would You know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by NoBeard99 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

MacGahan/Lexington

[1]: http://themacgahanfoundation.netfirms.com/ claims that MacGahan is born in New Lexington. Do you have a source for Lexington? --Nk (talk) 07:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Baxter Springs

Just wanted to thank you for moving my picture from the gallery to the top of the page. AbeEzekowitz (talk) 19:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Readstown, Wisconsin

Hi! I had to revert some longstanding vandalism to the Readstown, Wisconsin article and it undone your editing and that of the bots. My apologies, but I did not know what else I could do. Also I started the article about the former town of Preble, Wisconsin which is now part of Green Bay, Wisconsin that I thought you might be interested in. Many thanks for your work on WikiProject Wisconsin. RFD (talk) 15:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

City vs. town

How does the census bureau decide which is which? y'amer'can (wtf?) 16:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't. In Wisconsin, the two terms have different meanings legally. See Civil township#Midwestern, central and western states for more details. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The context of YA's comment is West Virginia, not Wisconsin. Nyttend (talk) 16:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Yup. :) y'amer'can (wtf?) 16:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Would y'all mind if I edited out all four of these sentences (from "It doesn't..." on), which were based on a misunderstanding (since Nyttend does good work on Wisconsin articles frequently)? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. My initial edit was based on Summersville's website[2], which calls it a city. But it doesn't look like they have undertaken any legal action with the Feds to make it official. y'amer'can (wtf?) 17:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for helping me out during that Wikipedia "blackout." Student7 (talk) 17:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Aleksino

Right... Have you ever tried creating a disambiguation page with nine red links and then spent an inane amount of time trying to defend it from being deleted? That's an experience I am in no hurry to repeat.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Lorida, Florida

Hey, just wanted to thank you for cleaning up my Lorida page there. I wanted to get the ball rolling on it since I thought the place deserved a page of its own, even though I can't find any census data on it right now. Sidestreamer (talk) 22:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

St. Martin Island-Michigan

I put in some citations in the St. Martin Island article in Michigan. At one point it was nominated for deletion. Initially, the article had St. Martin Island as being in Wisconsin. I wanted to alert you. Thank you-RFD (talk) 21:19, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Myotherapy and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Myotherapy

Hi – Why did you delete myotherapy the same day I closed an AFD on the article - actually, less than an hour after I closed it? I take care to clearly state the link to articles I delete as a result of an AFD. I think a more appropriate action would be WP:DRV instead of an A7 deletion.

I'm not going to be around until later this week due to a death, but I'd like to know why this happened. I'm not angry, just curious. - KrakatoaKatie 00:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

CDPs in Michigan

Please stop reverting to the jargonish version of the county templates. There is no general consensus supporting your claim of it being "standard" to label these places as CDPs in the context of a navbox. In fact, it would appear there is more support for not labeling places as CDPs than there is for. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject U.S. counties#Standards for County navboxes and Template talk:US county navigation box#Should the county navigation boxes be required to organize contents based on obscure Census Bureau jargon?. older ≠ wiser 13:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Bradford, Ohio

Hi, What is your reason for capitalizing Counties in the phrase Darke and Miami counties?

Mine for not capitalizing are:

• Goldstein, Norm, editor, Associated Press Stylebook and Briefing on Media Law, Cambridge, Massachusetts: Perseus Press (2000) p. 61, states: County Capitalize when an integral part of a proper name: Dade County, Nassau County, Suffolk County ... Lowercase plural combinations: Westchester and Rockland counties.
• An online reference: http://home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/c.htm Topics capitalization and county both say: Lowercase common noun elements of names in all plural uses: etc.

Please correct your edit. Thanks. Former English teacher. clariosophic (talk) 15:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Nytend, I'm sorry if I offended you in some way. I gave you the opportunity to make the correction yourself, but you ignored me. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 19:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Newport Center (Newport Town)

I have spent countless hours in the vaults reading the historical documents on Newport Center (Newport Town). Also countless hours talking with Emily Nelson (Newport/Derby historian and author), as well as reviewing historical documents in her possession when she was still alive. If you stop changing the article to include the wrong town(s) or village(s), or other misleading information then it will be possible to have some facts on the page rather than fiction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Desrosiers (talk • contribs) 21:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

UVM

Were you "watching" the article on UVM? If not, please don't do it on my account. I would hate to see your watchlist as it exists today!  :) I may need some help, but I can formally request a third party if needed. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 00:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Forgot to mention that UVM is the University of Vermont. Your watchlist is ten times mine! I sort of figured! Student7 (talk) 01:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

External map service links

Hello. You have been identified as having added or removed direct external map service links in articles[3]. There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:External links#Issues with inclusion or exclusion of map service links about which should be done, and some more opinions would be good to find community consensus. --Para (talk) 17:17, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Urban Townships

Category:Urban Townships, which is closely related to articles you have edited, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. --Orlady (talk) 04:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

My page is explicitly permitted under WP:USER guidelines. — BQZip01 — ^talk 05:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Removal of speedy tags.

Speedy deletion is based on criteria and not on 'keep' votes. The fact that an MfD was in process is wholly irrelevant. If an article was tagged for copyvio, it doesn't matter if it's at AfD or not or if 200 people have voted for its keep. Votes would not change the nature of the article. the_undertow ^talk 06:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

So you read the page, and saw "This page is intended to document such edits by CC more adequately show he is a disruptive force within Wikipedia" and you felt that this page was not meant to disparage its subject. Is that correct? the_undertow ^talk 06:34, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, disclaimers don't alleviate anything here. the_undertow ^talk 06:38, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

your edits to Claymont, Delaware

Hi. You changed the value on the mapsize, which I changed back in my recent upgrades to the article for Claymont, Delaware. You also moved around some info about the distinction between the CDP and the "area generally considered to be Claymont", which I hope my recent edits have clarified. Elpiseos (talk) 20:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Michigan townships

Just curious: what's the difference between civil townships and general law townships? I understand the difference between civil townships and charter townships, but there's not even an article on general law townships to explain the difference to me. And by the way: would you please answer on my talk page? Nyttend (talk) 23:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

A general law township is mostly just localized terminology for the same concept as a civil township. older ≠ wiser 03:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

La Cueva

In the La Cueva, New Mexico article you changed "Notes" to "References" saying at 05:25, 8 February 2008, "but name of section is References". However in the style guideline, Wikipedia:Footnotes, it says as quoted below. In articles with both notes and general references this is normally separated as Notes (or Footnotes) and References (or Further reading). The general rule on Wikipedia is that, absent a compelling reason, where a matter is left open by the guidelines it is not changed from the original. --Bejnar (talk) 05:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Place the <references /> tag or {{reflist}} tag in a "Notes" or "References" section near the end of the article—the list of notes will be generated here. (The choice between {{reflist}} and <references /> is a matter of style; Wikipedia does not have a general rule.)

I understand well that things should not be changed back and forth when there is no preference. However, there is a preference for community articles: the guidelines strongly prefer the titles that I've put in. Nyttend (talk) 15:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you have evidence for your statement "the guidelines strongly prefer the titles that I've put in". I did not find that in the guidelines, and, in my experience with geology, biography and history articles that has not been the community preference. The heading "Reference" is obviously ambiguous, nonetheless, it does seem to be used more for the list of general references rather than for the footnotes, maybe this is not true in the geographical articles that you work on. --Bejnar (talk) 17:10, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Look at the header. The guidelines are set up so that each header ("History", "Geography", "Demographics", etc.) is the actual name of a section in the article. Nyttend (talk) 17:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, that is pretty inferential. Look at the explicit statement at Wikipedia:Citing sources#Section headings. --Bejnar (talk) 18:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

"Recommended section names to use for footnotes in Wikipedia are:

• ==Notes==
• ==Footnotes==
• ==References==

Many editors use "Notes" as their preferred title for the footnotes section, as the same section can then hold both source citations as well general notes." from Wikipedia:Citing sources#Section headings

You may note, that in the La Cueva, New Mexico article that footnote #4 (as of 9 Feb. 2008) is an explanatory note, rather than a citation, as are the first three. --Bejnar (talk) 18:08, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

If you look at typical community articles, that's how it's done. The guidelines say specifically not to include anything except either {{reflist}} or <references/> in those sections; that's what the further reading is for. Nyttend (talk) 18:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree that notes and general references should be in separate sections. I also agree that "Further reading" is often (not always) a better label for the general reference section, but what does that have to do with the label name in this case? or in any specific case? See Wikipedia:Guide_to_layout headings Notes, References and Further reading. As I said above the label "References" is ambiguous. By the way, the guidelines there suggest adding the text: "See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref> and </ref> tags." in nowiki brackets after the heading and before the <references/>. --Bejnar (talk) 18:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this is the way that it's done with community articles. If you have an issue with it, you'd do better to talk with the WP:CITY people. Nyttend (talk) 05:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not me who is not following the guidelines. Heal thyself, physician. --Bejnar (talk) 18:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

• You said: "This is a community article, and no evidence provided that it's to be treated differently from other communities." My reply is: This is a Wikipedia article, and no evidence provided that it's to be treated differently from other Wikipedia artciles. Take a look at Antigua Guatemala, Kabul, Socorro, New Mexico and Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. Now don't go and change them just because I have identified them for you. There are plenty more. Please read the guidelines with an open mind. --Bejnar (talk) 00:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Misono Discography

why did you put back the Misono Discography page i put the discography on her page not a link to another page with her discography. ~ Wanupi —Preceding comment was added at 14:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

population

Hello. I noticed you reverted the population estimates I had mentioned in the articles dealing with towns in Wayne County, North Carolina. You mentioned in the edit summary that WP policy is for 2000 census numbers to be the only ones mentioned in the opening paragraph. Can you show me where it states this? If that is policy, then I won't add recent population estimates anymore because I don't want to violate any type of WP rules. I'm just wondering how so many articles on cities and towns in the U.S. can have recent population estimates if it's not supposed to be in there. An example is Charlotte, North Carolina. The source seems reliable. It's not a big deal, just wanted some clarification so I can know how to edit articles in the future. Thanks for your help.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

For your orientation, this is also mentioned at Wikipedia:Help desk#population. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Shuttle Landing Sites

I noticed that you deleted the category from Mountain Home Air Force Base. I can see what you meant as you reason for deleting it but most of the articles with the category are in the same situation as Mountain Home. I got the information here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/facility/sts-els.htm. Because of you, i'll fix up those pages. So thanks for deleting it when you did because now I learned something more that I wouldn't have otherwise cared about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktr101 (talk • contribs) 22:57, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Richfield, Washinton County, Wisconsin from town to village

On February 13, 2008, Richfield, Washington County, Wisconsin will become an village. I thought you should know because of changes that will be made, etc., concerning the article. The town officers will be acting village officers until Wisconsin's spring non-partisan general election on April 1.Thank you for what you are doing concerning Wikipedia especially WikiProject WIsconsin-RFD (talk) 00:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I made the changes today involving the Richfield, Washington County, Wisconsin article about Richfield becoming a village. Changes will have to be made in the Washington County, Wisconsin template to move the Richfield entry from being a town to a village. Also an editor started 2 articles about Ashton Corners & Hope, Wisconsin which are unincorporated communities in Dane County, Wisconsin Again, many thanks for your help concerning WikiProject Wisconsin.RFD (talk) 17:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks-The next time a new article about an unincorporated community in Wisconsin comes up, I will try to change the template myself-RFD (talk) 20:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks-I would be willing to add the template to any future article.RFD (talk) 21:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

An article Flintville, Wisconsin came through. No problems with the template. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 18:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Infoboxes

I was looking on your user page and noticed that you are a fan of infoboxes. Would you care to join me in my quest of adding infoboxes to the municipalities of Pennsylvania? PA seems to be just about the only state without infoboxes across the board. I have the list sorted out a User:Dincher/Woodchuck. I am currently working on Elk County. I have tried several times to get another user User:CapitalBot to run his infobox bot for the PA articles but he has yet to do it. So I am doing it manually. Also, thanks for cleaning up the NC county templates that I created. I knew there were mistakes and glad that you found them. Dincher (talk) 02:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Proctorville, Ohio

I undid your reversion on the Proctorville, Ohio edit. The info is correct, here's a Ironton Tribune article to prove it. I'm not going to reference it in the article, though; the Lawrence County Board of Elections website is a better reference, they just haven't updated yet. I called them today and they said the data would be updated soon. --JaGa (talk) 03:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Restoring demographics

Thanks for your appreciation :-) ! I'm not so much geography-oriented myself, but I happen to have transfered this demographic information (via bot) to the Volapük Wikipedia (which is where I work most of the time). After I did that, I realized there had been many errors in the copying of the information -- in about half of the cases because of problems in the bot script itself (I'm not so good at programming), but in about half of the cases because of problems in the original articles -- mostly vandalism. (I was actually surprised to see entire paragraphs wiped out, and this going unnoticed for over a year... and also to see more discrete deletions, only one sentence or two.) So I started correcting the cases I found too (I just did one more: Dublin, North Carolina, where most of the first paragraph in the demographics section had been wiped out three years ago...). --Smeira (talk) 20:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Quay County, New Mexico

Regarding this edit, I added Glenrio back into the article. It is indeed a New Mexico community and should not have been removed. Even the Glenrio, Texas article states "Mail is served by a post office on the New Mexico side of the town", so it may be more appropriate for that article to be located at "Glenrio, New Mexico" which is currently a redirect. Towns with identical names do exist in separate states. A simple Google search could have prevented this mistake. →Wordbuilder (talk) 21:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I'll create the Glenrio article where the redirect currently sits. The problem is that the community has always been small (even when taking both the Texas side and New Mexico side into account) and it is now virtually a ghost town, I might have a tough time finding sources but I'll do the best I can. Keep up the great work. →Wordbuilder (talk) 23:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Heh, someone fixed the link on the article today. Look what has existed since the middle of 2005: Glenrio. →Wordbuilder (talk) 21:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I feel silly now for not noticing that. →Wordbuilder (talk) 21:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

towns in california

your welcome. sorry i am dislexic, i cannot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomgaylove (talk • contribs) 05:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC) thanks for understanding, ill try my best to try to them in alfabetical order it juat tajes me a long time. youre very more nicer than the people on the spanish encyclopedia they make fun of me when i edit there and tell me i should leave or not edit at all if im dislexic. or they just revert good edits with some mistakes instead of imrpoving them. actually several times people have demanded that i email them my edits on here so they can do them for me, and have told me to stop editing. so yeah thanks a lot dude. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomgaylove (talk • contribs) 13:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Navboxes for Tennessee counties

Hi. I sure do appreciate your commitment to improving articles with navboxes and other features. I have two big issues, however, with the navboxes you recently created for Tennessee counties:

(1) There is no meaningful distinction between a "city" and a "town" in Tennessee (see List of cities and towns in Tennessee); these are just two different words for the same thing. Both cities and towns are incorporated municipalities, and the name "city" or "town" has no significance regarding type of municipal charter, population, or anything else. Therefore, navboxes should not list these two as if they were different types of communities. Your note says "as municipalities they're officially distinct, even if there's not much difference"; but in fact THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. (It's like the difference between "toMAYto" and "toMAHto" -- some people prefer one version and some prefer the other, but both are talking about exactly the same thing.) Bot-created Wikipedia articles faithfully distinguish between "cities" and "towns" because they were based on Census data and the Census Bureau is careful to maintain that terminological distinction, but official State of Tennessee sources do not make any distinction.

(2) Apparently, you and I read the "wrap-up" of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. counties#Standards for County navboxes (CDPs) very differently. (I guess maybe it's a case of "glass half full" vs. "glass half empty.") You say "there was no requirement that CDPs be merged." I say, "Yes, but the summary of the discussion concluded 'After discussion, consensus seems to lean toward not separating out CDPs in U.S. county nav boxes.'" After seeing that concluding statement, I was surprised to see brand-new county templates being created (and added to articles) that list "CDPs". Furthermore, it seems to me that if I (or some other contributor) say that the distinction between CDPs and other incorporated communities is not meaningful in the area where I live, it is reasonable for me to remove the "CDP" identifier from navboxes for counties in my area.

--Orlady (talk) 01:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

• I am well aware that you create these templates and do many related edits nationwide. I applaud your efforts to create these features, and I agree that there's no prohibition on the creation of new templates. My concern is that the content of some of those templates (and the content of the articles with which they are associated) does not accurately depict reality because it is based on Census data classifications that are not used in other sources and are not meaningful to readers. I do not object to creating new templates, but I honestly thought that the consensus of the earlier discussion was in favor of not propagating the term "CDP" into new templates, since it is not a term known outside of the world of census data. --Orlady (talk) 23:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

• On my talk page, you said "regardless of whether cities and towns are governmentally identical, please do not merge their listings." For what it's worth, I was inspired to research the topic of Tennessee municipalities and greatly expand List of cities and towns in Tennessee because I was mystified by Wikipedia's emphasis on distinguishing between "cities" and "towns" in Tennessee (indicated, for example, by the separate categories Towns in Tennessee and Cities in Tennessee), and I wanted to know more. I determined that in Tennessee these are two equally valid terms for municipalities. Some choose to be called "city" and others choose to be called "town," but there is no difference between them. Also, the only sources that subcategorize Tennessee municipalities as "cities" and "towns" are the Census Bureau and Wikipedia (which acquired much content from the Census Bureau). Considering the equivalence of the terms, I think it is misleading for Wikipedia county templates to meticulously distinguish between "cities" and "towns" (and it looks silly, especially when dealing with tiny counties -- for example, Template:Perry County, Tennessee seems unduly elaborate for a county of less than 8,000 people with just two tiny municipalities). Can you give me a reason for your request "please do not merge the listings"? (Reasoned requests work much better with me than orders.) --Orlady (talk) 23:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

As an FYI -- just because the Census distinguishes cities and towns does not necessarily mean that the state recognizes any meaningful distinction. And Wikipedia has in the past emended the bot-created categorization based on Census classifications. For example, a similar situation exists in California, where a municipality may style its name as either a city or a town, but with no difference under state laws. Initially, there were separate categories for cities and towns in California. Category:Towns in California was merged into Category:Cities in California at this CFD. This chapter from the Census Bureau contains indications for which states make meaningful distinctions between towns and cities. However, even though the category was deleted, the distinction remains in the county navboxes (or at least in some). So I'm not sure what to make of that. older ≠ wiser 02:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that useful information, Bkonrad. It seems that Tennessee needs to follow California's precedent and take a couple of categories over to CFD.

That Census reference you cite confirms that Tennessee's population thresholds are the same for towns as for cities. That's only part of the story, however. It does not indicate that there are no other differences between towns and cities. Tennessee does not have law that explicitly says the two terms are interchangeable, but Tennessee laws on local government equate the two terms (e.g., TCA 6-51-401, Part Definitions, says "'Municipality' or 'municipalities' refers to incorporated cities and towns in this state" and TCA 6-54-501, Part Definitions, says "'Municipality' means and includes any city or town organized and operating under the general or special laws of the state of Tennessee") and the law on one form of municipal charter indicates that the designation of "town" or "city" is a choice to be made by each municipality (i.e., TCA 6-1-501, Amendment of charter, says "A municipality may amend this charter for the sole purpose of changing the corporate name of the municipality, including the municipality's designation as a town or city..."). --Orlady (talk) 03:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Take it to CFD then; as long as they're classed differently, and as long as I'm not given consensus to do otherwise (for example, the obvious consensus that CDPs aren't required to be listed as such) I'm going to follow the national pattern. Anyway, California's templates still lists the towns separately, as it always has. Nyttend (talk) 04:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

Check your userpage. Congratulations (and feel free to format as you see fit). y'amer'can (wtf?) 00:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

File:Interlingual Barnstar.png		The Geography Barnstar
		For improving the quality of articles on geographic locations in West Virginia, I hereby award you The Geography Barnstar. y'amer'can (wtf?) 00:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Third one down when clicking here. y'amer'can (wtf?) 00:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Colonial Coast

I am currently working to gather support for WikiProject Colonial Coast, a project aimed at improving the pages related to the Colonial Coast of Georgia (includes the cities of Savannah, Brunswick, St. Marys, and Waycross), and would like to know if you are interested in helping to contribute to this. Thanks! Jaxfl (talk) 00:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

P.S. - Feel free to come over and comment on, add suggestions to, and/or discuss the WikiProject Colonial Coast proposal.

re: Special tax districts on county template

No Problem. The Special tax districts are a weird thing in this state. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 03:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Geographic references

Because the links to this page are ordinary links rather than transclusions, there's very little that can be done with them. They need to be converted from Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.<ref>[[Geographic references#2]]</ref> Blah blah blah to Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.<ref>{{GR|r2}}</ref> Blah blah blah. I'm afraid you'll have to do it by hand or with AWB - there's no magic wand to wave here, unfortunately. Happy‑melon 17:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

It wouldn't do anything messy, but it's still a self-reference and, if anything, the documentation of Template:GR is even less helpful than Wikipedia:Geographic references. I'm afraid all the links need to be changed to template calls and the redirect deleted. Happy‑melon 18:12, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

References / Notes

At your suggestion, I took this issue up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Guideline. The result after much discussion was a change in the guideline. It now reads "References / Notes". --Bejnar (talk) 20:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Typo redirect Mc Lean, Illinois

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Re:Possible major error

Thanks for point that error to me regarding the Nebraska Townships. It was a simple correction (FIPS #31 instead of #28) and I fixed them. --Acntx (talk) 12:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Morral, Ohio

Thanks for the minor editing. New to this and was not able to get the link to CSX to show correctly. Please advise how this is done the correct way. Also not sure how to note references/sources, could you advise on this too? The history information so far has come from the Marion County 1979 History book, with some editing for current information and removal of to much personal information on living residents, both then and now. I also have more information from the 1883 Marion County History book, a Morral History book and other orginal material. As far as my knowledge of Morral, I am a life long resident of Morral, live in the orginal Morral home mentioned, my ancestors helped start this village and I have served on the village council. I do have more information, but not sure how to add it... some may need its own article, but not sure how that really works. I have some orginal vintage photos, photo post cards of the village and photos of the village as it is today. I also have information on the founding of Salt Rock Township, early information about our early settlers of this area... including the area now known as Harpster, OH of Wyandot County... this information comes from Charles Lewis a former Lt. Gov. of Ohio. I look forward to your advice on how to proceed. JF1968 (talk) 16:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)JF1968

Anderson Island

Hey there Nyttend, I noticed you removed the Pierce County template from this article, and per your reasoning, I'm curious as to how AI doesn't qualify as a community? Murderbike (talk) 19:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Add to that McNeil Island. People live there. Is there some other verifiable definition of "community"? Murderbike (talk) 19:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

КОСОВО ЈЕ СРЦЕ СРБИЈЕ

From Ossmann's talk page "Thanks for reverting the vandalism. It's an interesting thing; do you know what it means? I take it to be something like "Kosovo is a part of Serbia; Serbia is supported by Russia" Nyttend (talk) 19:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)".

I'm not well up on Serbo Croat but by comparisson to other slavic tongues (in particular Ukrainian СЕРЦЕ) it looks like "Kosovo is the heart of Serbia". Presumeably the emotional rather than geographical heart unless it's moved since I was there in 1999! -- Timberframe (talk) 14:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Two-Mile Prairie, Missouri

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Thanks

Many thanks concerning the Oconto County, Wisconsin templete. There are several unincorporated communities in Wisconsin there will be needing county templetes eventually.RFD (talk) 21:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Edit to Rachel Marsden

The page was protected due to edit warring over coverage of the current news event. Please review the history; it might be best if you self-reverted. GRBerry 02:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

As you surely know, editing an article while it is protected is outside of our admin privileges. Iit would be best if your revert the article to the state it was when it was protected. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 03:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Texts for better understanding conversations

The following texts were sent by User:CRob318. I've copied them for easier reading, relative to what I've written on his talk page. Nyttend (talk) 05:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Since you know so much about Keithville, LA and keep unediting everything that I put in the article, why don't you make a complete article out of it, including putting it's longitude and latitude on the location in Caddo Parish (like all other Louisiana cities, towns, and communities on here) and including it's population. 71047 is Keithville. That's the only place in 71047, unless you're considering Springridge to be a community too. I grew up there and so did all of my family, so I think I would know more about it than you. Do you even live in Caddo Parish or North Louisiana?

I've researched the correct longitude and latitude for Keithville. If you think it's made up or if I copied Shreveport, go to http://www.zipinfo.com/cgi-local/zipsrch.exe?cnty=cnty&ac=ac&tz=tz&ll=ll&msa=msa&zip=71047&Go=Go

I addressed everyone that has been editing the article. I'm not just picking on you. Since you have access to the US Census, why don't you put the population of Keithville. I know the US Census is taken in Keithville because I vividly remember the lady and man that came to out house with Census 2000 bags and asked us how many people lived in our household and had us fill out some paperwork.

Keithville's northern, western, and eastern borders are the city limits of Shreveport. It's southern border is Stonewall, LA (in Desoto Parish). It also borders Harrison County, TX at its western border.

Whoever designed the geography for Louisiana set the boundaries for the state, including the cities, towns, communities, etc.

Crestview, Racine, Wisconsin

An article Crestview, Racine, Wisconsin came through on WikiProject Wisconsin. I did some editing but it needs more work. One example: the article originally had the community as part of the town of Caledonia in Racine County. However, Caledonia has been a village since 2005. I do not know if the article needs to be merge into the Caledonia, Wisconsin article, deletd, etc. Anyway-I am passing this article to you for futher work. Thanks-RFD (talk) 12:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of volcano vaporizer

Hi Nyttend, I wanted to inquire about the reasons you deleted the article on Volcano Vaporizer. There was no advertising involved and it is a pretty interesting device. It was deleted before, but even having a look in last years 'AfD' debate there were different opinions on the article, not really a consens. Apart from that can you provide me with the content of the deleted page and do you have access to the original content that was deleted last september, would be interesting to compare articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delarossa (talk • contribs) 13:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Nyttend, thanks for your answer and I am looking forward for the article. I am not going to repost it, but interested in review it as I have no idea about the articles -and their advertising character- being deleted before. The article I posted last week was new and simply contained information about vaporizing temperatures of different plants and the set up of the device. Not even close to advertising. Anyway I will not repost last years deleted articles, but would stress that an article has relevance on wikipedia, as a information about a device that strives for FDA approval. Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.139.78.32 (talk) 13:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delarossa (talk • contribs)

 Hello again, have you found the time to look up the original article? 
 I am looking forward to review the article for personal information. 
   Thank you!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delarossa (talk • contribs) 10:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC) 

Hi ! Still curious about original page that was removed. Will you re-create it for me? Regards Delarossa —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delarossa (talk • contribs) 09:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair Use for Image:FrankLaGrottaMugShot.jpg

I am not sure what other fair use rationale I need add to justify the image Image:FrankLaGrottaMugShot.jpg. There's an entire section with 4 bullet points with the fair use rationale (citing the "nonprofit fair use rationale" of 17 USC 107, irreplaceable nature of the image, low-res, reduced market value of image). What else do I need to add?

I followed the precedent set by the fair use for Jim Traficant's mug shot: Image:Traficantmug.jpg. I mean, if that one is legit, then how could LaGrotta's not be legit? I'm pretty new at adding images to wikipedia, so I'd appreciate any help you could give me in getting this image aligned with policy. Thanks!--RedShiftPA (talk) 17:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Template talk:South Carolina

Hello,

I know you are a busy editor (admin), but I just wanted you to know that there is a discussion at Template talk:South Carolina that involves you. (your watchlist must be a mile long) Thanks, Rocketmaniac ^RT 03:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

40 Days For Life

The result was a keep, thanks for your vote. - Schrandit (talk) 16:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Evergreen, NC

No idea how it happened, but I found it cleaning up a bunch of stubs that ended up on short pages, and followed through, and lo and behold there are 2 of these in the same county. USGS is a great reference. Maybe ask the guy who created the first Evergreen article, he seems focused on areas in NC & VA - places I've never been. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

MoS

Further information: User talk:123Pie § MOS

Hey, Thanks for your contribs, but you may want to read the Wikipedia 'Manual of Style'. – [[123Pie|Talk]] 11:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't on about the numbers, plural should be outside the [[]]s. Example;

Incorrect, {{Intlinkcode2|Cat|Cats}} Correct, {{Intlinkcode|Cat}}s It's surposed to save HD space. – [[123Pie|Talk]] 21:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I See your point there. – [[123Pie|Talk]] 12:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Award

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		I, Darwinek, hereby award you this precious barnstar for all your tireless hard work with creating U.S. county templates. Your work keeps Wikipedia consistent and makes it a better place. Darwinek (talk) 11:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Keep up the great work! - Darwinek (talk) 11:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Editing of another's user page

I'm assuming good faith that you were helping to keep my user page tidy but in future please do not edit my user page. If you think a change is warranted I'd be happy to hear about it on my talk page. --Bleveret (talk) 15:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Montpelier, Vermont

Sir. I noticed that you have categorized this city (and others BTW) as a county seat. What in the world is a county seat? We don't have those in Vermont! I thought nearly everyone knew that!  :) Student7 (talk) 18:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Oops. I should have shut up while I was ahead!  :) Student7 (talk) 11:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Date format

I do understand about the date format. Some of the dates were not linked correctly (e.g., the month and day were linked, but not the year). I fixed that, and at the same time, in addition to other minor edits switched to the U.S. style (month first) for each of the dates I was editing, only because this is an article about a U.S. municipality. If this were about a European municipality, or had no US connection, I would not have made those edits. In any event, as you point out, the dates display according to user preference if linked correctly anyway, so this is merely a source-aesthetic change, and does not affect the display of the article. TJRC (talk) 16:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Melburn, Ohio

Thanks for the map. I was trying to figure out how to do that but kind of gave up. Keesy (talk) 16:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

re: County seat templates

I'll try to remember to get back to you later with more details. If I forget to do it within a day, please remind me. 39 is feasible. We won't have to do anything with all the other ones that are already okay. Could you give me links to all 39 so I could double-check to make sure that what I propose will in fact fix all of them. Sbowers3 (talk) 17:20, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, here is the change to Template:US county navigation box. It's about line 23, after Alaska, Louisiana, Vermont:

• old:

}}: '''[[{{{seat}}}, {{{state}}}|<span style="color:{{{text_color|}}}">{{{seat}}}</span>]]'''}} <!--

• new:

}}: '''[[{{{seat}}}, {{{state}}}|<span style="color:{{{text_color|}}}">{{ #if: {{{seatname<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} | {{{seatname}}} | {{{seat}}} }}</span>]]'''}} <!--

And here is my edit to Template:Quitman County, Georgia to test the change and to show how the other templates would be modified. Only the 39 templates with a problem would need to have the seatname parameter added. All other county templates are fine as is.

I notice that the AR, ME, and MN towns don't have county templates. Have those templates not yet been written or are the towns not yet using the county templates?

I'll edit most of the other 39 county templates to use the seatname. They'll work as soon as you make the change to the main county nav box. Sbowers3 (talk) 22:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

One glitch: Bennington County, Vermont has two county seats. l didn't even think about that possibility. A clumsy workaround would be to make it Manchester & Bennington rather than Bennington & Manchester. Better would be to make the same change as above for Seat2. I'll go ahead and prepare that change. Sbowers3 (talk) 23:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Here it is:

• old:

-->{{#if:{{{seat2|}}}| & '''[[{{{seat2}}}, {{{state}}}|<span style="color:{{{text_color|}}}">{{{seat2}}}</span>]]'''}}

• new:

-->{{#if:{{{seat2|}}}| & '''[[{{{seat2}}}, {{{state}}}|<span style="color:{{{text_color|}}}">{{ #if: {{{seat2name<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}} | {{{seat2name}}} | {{{seat2}}} }}</span>]]'''}}

I already edited the Bennington, Vermont template to use the seat2name so it should be okay as soon as you install the new code. Sbowers3 (talk)

(outdenting) That was quick. It's convenient that we both were online at the same time. Are you spending 20 hours a day here as sometimes it seems I am? Anyway, I edited the five Vermont county templates. I'll take a look at the New York ones tomorrow if you don't get to them first. Sbowers3 (talk) 23:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Glad I could help. By the way, I'm glad to see that you like the subjunctive mood. These days I'm not sure how many people even know what it is. I'm glad to see that someone else can't understand the IPA; mildly surprised that there are other people like me who don't have a TV set (I've been without for a little more than a year and don't miss it a bit); afraid to take the wikiholic test for fear of how high the number would be; and were I to add infoboxes to my page, would share a few others with you. Could I ask you a question about stamp collecting? Sbowers3 (talk) 16:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Glad you were able to find a way to address this issue. It was an easier solution than I was envisioning it would be. VerruckteDan (talk) 23:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Cedar, Minnesota

I reverted your edit to Cedar, Minnesota because it made the article less sensible. It's obviously true, as you observed, that Cedar is not an independent community; the article covers that fact by describing Cedar as an unincorporated village which has been absorbed into an incorporated area, namely, the city of Oak Grove, Minnesota. I think that if you give the article a second read, you'll see that this makes more sense (and is more accurate) than referring to it as merely a neighborhood in the city of Oak Grove. The northern reaches of Anoka County are chock full of such communities, and if you're ever in the area I'd be happy to show you around such unincorporated villages as Lake Netta, Coon Lake Beach, Constance, and Coopers Corner. Brain Rodeo (talk) 01:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

• We could argue semantics all day, but I don't want to waste our time. However inelegant and imprecise I feel your edits are, I'm abandoning the article to you, so do what you want. Brain Rodeo (talk) 07:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Stamps

I inherited a bunch of stamps from my grandmother. Most are from the 1920s and 1930s but some go back to the 1890s. It is a mixture of domestic and international, canceled and not (apparently) canceled. How would I go about trying to identify them? Are there online sources? Off the top of your head what's your guess as to whether it is worth my time to catalog them for sale? My guess is that they were relatively common back then but back then was a long time ago. Thanks. Sbowers3 (talk) 00:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Need help with image

Greetings again, my wikifriend! Back in January, I discovered that File:Kentdowntown2.jpg was being used at the article for Kent, Ohio. I correctly identified the image as one used on one of my company's websites, and successfully moved for the image's deletion as a non-free image. I've since learned that the copyright holder, Config.com, Inc., is willing to release the image in some license compatible with Wikipedia; I've been delegated the responsibility for making this happen. How might I go about doing this? I'm preparing a derivative work (again, since we have the copyright) for use on another website. Can we use the original image, or should I upload the derivative work? It just so happens that this image is an aerial photograph; since you have rather extensive experience with Ohio aerial photos on Wikipedia, I figured you'd be a good person to ask. ;-) -- JeffBillman (talk) 21:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response! No real rush on this... I'm giving it a low priority, as other projects must take precedence (such as the project for which I'm making the derivative). Just when you find a moment, I'd appreciate the help. -- JeffBillman (talk) 16:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Restaurant Listings for Gardner Kansas?

I am new to Wiki and the only page I tried creating was deleted so I thought I would ask a pro like you. Can I add a restaurants section to the Gardner website? I live in Gardner and we are growing so much it would be nice to keep an updated list of the restaurants. Is that against the wiki rules? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.191.20 (talk) 07:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

BTW.... this is me Carrie.hubbard (talk) 07:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC) so you can reply. Like I said, I am a noob :-)

Barthelmes

That's what I was referring to. Sorry for not being specific enough. Pats1 ^T/C 11:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Ancestry data

There are basically two different ways of quoting ancestry data: You can base your figures either on Table PCT16 Ancestry (First ancestry reported) or on Table PCT18 Ancestry (Total categories tallied) for people with one or more ancestry categories reported. Using Table PCT16 has several advantages. For starters, it's based on the same logic as the data for Latino or Hispanic ancestry, which makes it much easier to compare them with each other. In addition, the logic used in PCT16 is the same that is used in comparable ancestry/ethnic origin statistics in nearly every country that collects data of this kind. Most East European countries, for instance, have corresponding census data and in every case the respondent is only allowed to list the ancestry/ethnic group he/she primarily identifies with, for instance Serb, Croat, Macedonian, Rusyn, Vlach etc. Yugoslavia, when it existed, had an interesting "neutral" ethnic category comparable with the "ethnically neutral" option of reporting your ancestry simply as "United States or American": If you felt no particular inclination to identify with a particular ethnic/ancestry group such as "Slovene", "Serb", "Croat" and so on, you could always report your ethnicity/ancestry as "Yugoslav". Actually, of course, the "United States or American" ancestry group is a bit more complicated than that. On the one hand, it's a "neutral" option for those who feel no special affinity with any ethnic group outside the USA, but on the other hand it's (for complex historical and sociological reasons) significantly more common for White Southeners and people of Scotch-Irish stock (there's an important overlap between those two categories, especially in the Upper South) to report their ancestry as "United States or American". This is why the "American" ancestry group serves in the Western states as a partial indicator of the relative amount of settlers of Southern origin. In the Northwest, "United States or American" ancestry usually correlates quite strongly with Scotch-Irish ancestry, which suggests that the latter category is most often, in fact, reported as "United States or American" instead of "Scotch-Irish". Monegasque (talk) 18:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Here's the PCT16 link: [4] . Those other figures you quoted were based on PCT18. Monegasque (talk) 21:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review

Hi Nyttend, I deleted an image from Rossall School as it was copyvio but marked as PD-self. See Image:RossallObservatory.jpg. Anyway, there has been a request by the uploader here for me to restore it as it is supposedly not replacable - would you mind double checking my deletion? Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your wise counsel - I will restore it but ask that it be made Fair use within 24 hours or be deleted again. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I have restored it for now - the editor has made a lot of changes to the Rossall School article based on my peer review already, so I expect the Fair Use claim will be made quickly. Thanks again, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:27, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Intro

Thanks Nyttend for the intro. We have met before at church. Sorry, I am not quicker with my editing, I am just a novice. You can find out who I am....just ask the fellow Geneva student I sat behind in church last Sabbath. She was home on break in Maryland and is a double Communications major. Take care. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psalm107 (talk • contribs) 04:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Hamilton County township

Hi Nyttend. You're correct, a redlink indicates that the article hasn't been created yet. I'm not sure what sources of geographic information you have access to, but among some there exists a discrepancy regarding the actual name of the township (Melvern or Medway) which merited a bit of research first. For instance, the USGS cites both, with Medway first and Melvern as a "variant".[5] You can access data for other townships as well by going to the domestic GNIS at the Geological Survey (select "civil" as the feature class.)

In general, redlinks shouldn't be a cause for concern; when used correctly, they indicate something that hasn't been created yet, but is likely to be in the future. Many unincorporated Kansas towns also appear redlinked for this reason. Thanks, Huwmanbeing ☀★ 12:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Medway does appear to be the favored name, so that'll be the one under which the article is made. As to the origin of Melvern, that's a good question. Some, like the GNIS, give it as an alternate or variant name; perhaps the name of the township changed at some point in the past from the one to the other. Another subject for research, I guess. :) Hopefully there'll be some Kansans come along who can supply more of the local details and sources. Huwmanbeing ☀★ 11:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

The USGS's GNIS is one — the link is above. Huwmanbeing ☀★ 17:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

The extra characters are just a couple of wingdings, a sun and star. Most, but not all, systems come with fonts that show at least some such characters that are higher up in Unicode. (Code 2000 is a free one.)

BTW, placenames.com[6] lists Melvern Township, but makes no mention of Medway. It may be that the name change (if indeed there was one) was relatively recent.

Thanks for the link. When I follow it and select Kansas, though, I don't see the township listed -- is it in some other area of the site? Topozone is another that uses Melvern and not Medway[7]. Huwmanbeing ☀★ 19:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I see what you mean. I suppose it may be that the name changed earlier, and that some sites (like Topozone, Placenames, etc.) are just slow to update their data, or perhaps the presence of the two variants is due to something else entirely. It's even conceivable (though quite unlikely) that a name change occurred more recently than 2006 and that Topozone and Placenames are ahead of the pack. It's hard to say. For now, though, I do agree that Medway seems best. Huwmanbeing ☀★ 02:16, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Particularly given that it's the primary name listed in the USGS's GNIS (with the other as the variant), Medway is likely the correct form. Given a couple of misnamed places I've spotted in other USGS maps I'd hesitate to call it a certainty, but it's close enough to it for our purposes. :) Huwmanbeing ☀★ 03:47, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Alansohn

I respectfully disagree with your claim that User:Alansohn is reputable. Please visit the pages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Alansohn and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Alansohn . I have requested that he refrain from posting anything on my talk pages, after repeatedly explaining to him that I am not the user he is discussing. Assuming for a moment that he was correct and had some inside knowledge about that (which would not be correct), he would be violating WP:OUTING by repeatedly posting his claims. Either way, it is vandalism, and his behavior in general has been beyond the pale. Thank you for your interest. Racepacket (talk) 15:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Ohio Newsletter

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WikiProject Wisconsin barnstar

		The WikiProject Wisconsin Barnstar
		For all of your work developing very useful navigation templates for Wisconsin, I hereby award you the WikiProject Wisconsin Barnstar. Wear it with pride! Royalbroil 19:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thanks for all of your work for Wisconsin and many other states! Royalbroil 19:55, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Numbered townships

Either form of these names would be fine, though for Kansas townships the longer form is preferred in U.S. Census data,[8] in related maps, and on various other sites.[9][10][11] The preferred form may actually vary between states, since numbered Nebraska townships are shown in the U.S. Census as "Township 1" (the form you've correctly used), whereas Kansas ones appear as "Township Number 1". Other sites[12][13] likely using census data also draw this distinction. Huwmanbeing ☀★ 15:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Map sizing

I see you've set the map sizes in some settlement infoboxes to 250px. Just FYI, this is the default value that the template sets, so explicitly defining it isn't necessary (though it doesn't cause any harm).

Also, what would you say the right size would be for the reference maps in the Kansas county templates? As is, the pixel widths vary (75, 100, 180, etc.) and it'd be nice for them to be consistent. I presume they should be large enough to clearly show where the county is, but no larger. 75 is a bit tiny for this, and 180 seems larger than necessary (especially if viewed on a smaller display). Perhaps somewhere in between, like 120? Huwmanbeing ☀★ 17:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

County templates

How does it help to have county templates in county categories? I don't see your logic. (Please answer here) Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 19:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

County templates are associated with the counties. This is the way it's done with almost all counties nationwide; please don't mess it up with Louisville-area templates. Nyttend (talk) 19:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Could you please take one minute to explain the rationale, please? "That's the way it's done" is inadequate. Thanks. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 19:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

It's that simple: county templates are associated with the counties. It's different with state templates, because they're listed in their state navboxes categories, which are subsets of the state categories: otherwise, they would be listed in the state categories. And "the way it's done" is not inadequate: that's how everyone who regularly makes county templates does it, so there's plenty of precedent for it. Go ask others: Bkonrad, Omnedon, and VerruckteDan. Nyttend (talk) 19:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to revert back unless I get an explanation. There is absolutely no rationale for polluting article categories with non-articles. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 19:41, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

GR Template

What's a GR Template (added to Huron County, Michigan)? How would a reader use it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HB Edit (talk • contribs) 19:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you asking as a reply to my bot request, or something different? My answer depends on why you're asking. Nyttend (talk) 19:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HB_Edit"

I saw "GR" in the text and wondered what it was ???--HB Edit (talk) 20:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)