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So I was chatting with Barkeep49...

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...and we were talking about the need to develop better information on Afro-centric reliable sources. Barkeep49 pointed me to this page and, on looking at its history, it seems you started it and have been constantly improving it. Thank you for your work here! It is a hidden gem that just highlights how knowledgeable editors like yourself do so much to help improve the project quietly, consistently, and professionally. Risker (talk) 02:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Risker, ironically, when I saw the RSN thread bemoaning a lack of assessments of African sources last week my first thought was "oh I've tried and failed to fix that". A few years ago I made an effort to try to launch RfCs assessing the media landscapes of countries obscure to English Wikipedia, but it ended up being a bit of a bust for the same reasons that we lack these assessments in the first place: our editors by and large are not familiar with them. The problem is resistant to proactive solutions within the sphere of English Wikipedia, but at least by documenting the discussions we do have (despite whatever shortcomings and biases they may have) we can incrementally assemble what we think we know in a format that is conducive to further correction, critique and expansion. signed, Rosguill talk 15:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism and misinformation related in the page Tiyyar

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Hi,

I have seen that you have redirected the page "tiyyar" back to ezhava which was redirected to the page Ezhava earlier. seems like it is removed again by someone else. this page was redirected from years to ezhava and it has been discussed a lot of time. there is no proper source to suggest thatb these both are separate . its like creating multiple pages for the same topic. in addition to that most of the topics mentioned in the article tiyyar seems to be based on newspapers and are fake. it even claims there is a dialect called thiyya in the lead. The main page details all the history of this community. and what is the reason for creating a low quality copy of the same ? multiple times the redirect was added again . In addition to that name tiyyar seems dubious as in almost all sources it is mentioned as thiyya , so thiyya not tiyyar. please look into this. Lisa121996 (talk) 13:05, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

In addition to that in around 200+ pages the word ezhava is used for thiyyas, this is creating extra confusions, from 2013 ownwards multiple admins have redirected the page to ezhava because of the same. most of the new page sources are simpley news articles while a detailed one with raj era sources are added in the main page . please bring the redirect back. Lisa121996 (talk) 13:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Lisa121996 the concerns you raise are valid--I have tried looking into this in the past and was both disappointed and confused by the state of sourcing at Tiyyar. However, there are a lot of sources on Google Scholar that do describe a group by the name "Tiyyar", which would nominally establish that an adequate article could be written, even if the current revision is lacking. The decisive evidence that would support your suggestion of restoring the redirect would be either 1) a high quality source unambiguously saying that Ezhava and Tiyyar (and/or Thiyya) are synonyms or 2) links to prior discussions that establish a consensus around how to treat this group/these terms. signed, Rosguill talk 14:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
ezhava and thiyya being synonymous is clarified by wikipedia admins from the main page ezhava like 100+++ times. wikipedia ,main page itself says in the section variations. like else either would have to separate entire things or else would have to redirect this . the thing is some things are contradicting and confusing , interestingly this was discussed earlier in the page ezhava as well as thiyya , like every once in a while this happens and it would get redirected back , you can check from the page history. the currrent page tiyyar is simply discussing genetics and like 90 percent of the sources are dubious when we talk about a large commununity and there is a properly researched page with raj era sources , what is the point in creating this to confuse the audience ? i would reccomend to redirect it back Lisa121996 (talk) 15:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Its just the alternative name which is synonymous : Quoting from the main page Ezhava --> They are also known as Ilhava, Irava, Izhava and Erava in the south of the region; as Chovas, Chokons and Chogons in Central Travancore; and as Thiyyar, Tiyyas and Theeyas in the Malabar region.
This is from the section variations from the main page ezhava. the problem is since these both are included together it would require to split like the entire pages , if it is separate . I have checked the past edits and archieves and the main admins had made it clear that both are same . It would require splitting up the page "Ezhava" too . Else it is like creating 10. 20 pages with the same name. Also thiyyas are being counted as a separate ethnicity in the page tiyyar in most of the cases including the govt records the name is thiyya , so like it is extra confusion. All the details are well discussed in the main page ezhava. the current page tiyyar even discusses , genetics like indo aryans etc, is a mere news article enough enough for this claims  ?? the article claims things like separate dialect for thiyya. I mean how can this be in an anecyclopedia even a news article wont say this Lisa121996 (talk) 15:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
proofs:
Also , I was just checking up the talk in the page Talk:Ezhava - Wikipedia admins have made clear that. you can check . (check the last one)
Also below are the links where almost everyone have reverted it back stating the same reason as wikipedia considers it as one.
Tiyyar - Wikipedia
Tiyyar - Wikipedia
Tiyyar - Wikipedia
Tiyyar - Wikipedia
regarding book sources - The main page ezhava have that .
So it is clear with the disputes and the decision. the user 'HariNellattl' has been constantly removing this once in a while while the editors were reverting.
So if you are adding the redirect back as per the other admins did previously kindly do it in a protective way as i doubt there are group of soc accounts surfing around this page . they will revert it within seconds just like they did with your first edits.
Also in most of the pages in wiki these both are synonymously used, identifying this as separate would require the entire thing to be changed. otherwise this only contribute to misinformation and confusion .
thanks. Lisa121996 (talk) 16:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
1. The heading of this page is "Ezhava" ,while the irony is that in the first pragraph itself 2 images are being conpared - this is no longer the case. They are both captioned at being Ezhava (as the article lead identifies "Ezhava" and "Thiyyar" to be synomous (they are local names for the same group)
The page is providing an outdated citation and with the help of that is trying to defame both ezhava and one other community . - can you please specify which citation is concerning you.
- the page Thiyya redirects to Ezhava.
SSSB (talk) 17:19, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
This is a similar edit request and the reply, that i found from the page ezhava the link , I have copied the needed points and decision i have provided the link -- Talk:Ezhava - Wikipedia pasting it again. (for full discussion) .
Also the main page ezhava itself claims so please check the part variations. these all need to be removed else it would become so contradictory statements. Lisa121996 (talk) 16:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Responding broadly to all of the above: 1) I am arguably WP:INVOLVED at this point and thus should not take admin actions, you should make a case at WP:ANI or WP:AE if you're calling for the page to be protected. 2) While this doesn't preclude you from being correct, the evidence you've provided in the form of small, several-year-old Wikipedia discussions and the content of other Wikipedia articles is extremely weak. In the absence of a clear, recent consensus of multiple editors, you really need to make your case based on citations to RS.
I would recommend that you be WP:BOLD and make the changes you believe are necessary, and if that means restoring the article to redirect status, open an WP:AFD and bring it to broader discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 16:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
well this is actually not small discussions this has been the stand of the page since years and this was always redirected also most of the contents in the page are from news articles while main page details everything Lisa121996 (talk) 03:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
In addition to that there were multiple pages opened in the name , if all is removed it would lead to again multiple pages. My main concern is majority of the sources are simpley recent news artciles and the article is claiming multiple things like a separate dialect for thiyya , that too in the lead . Lisa121996 (talk) 03:35, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
As you recommended WP:BOLD , I have redirected the page the valid informations are :
They are also known as Ilhava, Irava, Izhava and Erava in the south of the region; as Chovas, Chokons and Chogons in Central Travancore; and as Thiyyar, Tiyyas and Theeyas in the Malabar region.[1][2][3] Some are also known as Thandan, which has caused administrative difficulties due to the presence of a distinct caste of Thandan in the same region.[4]
Even some form of disputes from both sides are also mentioned in the main page :
Also from a decade ownwards multiple pages related to this groups like thiyya.tiyyar,theeyya etc were redirected to the main page . So while the main page contains almost all informations from the WP:RAJ sources , I cant find them being different , this is violating all policies WP:V
WP:GNG
Definitely the raj era and historic books are weighed more than recent news articles. In addition to that the page views thiyya/ezhava as separate ethnicity , which is contrary to all the early sources and the stance of wikipedia regarding the main page Ezhava.
For eg sources all the sources i provided are used as primary by wikipedia in the main article and it openly declares both as synonymous. I can provide 10 ++ sources for the same . Lisa121996 (talk) 11:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Tiyyar notability

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The Tiyyar page is mostly copied from Ezhava page, and sources are also same. The expert on this topic @Sitush said many times that both Ezhava and Thiyya are same group, so not meeting notability critierias. But he is no active now, so the page was made i think. Is that ok? Piyush Chekavar (talk) 10:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I add the notability tag to article. I pinged @Sitush also, but i think he is not working these days. Piyush Chekavar (talk) 10:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Yes, its not just sitush , sssb, and many other editors from the main page Ezhava have taken the same stand . The page is claiming this to be separate , if so the first article need to be split or else this is a low quality duplicate copy plus some dubious info from news articles . Also the page is saying nothing about the main page , this is violating those policies. Lisa121996 (talk) 11:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
@Rosguill Malayalam Wikipedia article exists and its been almost 10 years the article created. [[1]] Dpvl (talk) 12:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
The article was redirected from the time it was created for like 10 years Lisa121996 (talk) 13:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
They are also known as Ilhava, Irava, Izhava and Erava in the south of the region; as Chovas, Chokons and Chogons in Central Travancore; and as Thiyyar, Tiyyas and Theeyas in the Malabar region.
Even some form of disputes from both sides are also mentioned in the main page :
Also from a decade ownwards multiple pages related to this groups like thiyya.tiyyar,theeyya etc were redirected to the main page . So while the main page contains almost all informations from the WP:RAJ sources , I cant find them being different , this is violating all policies WP:V
WP:GNG
Definitely the raj era and historic books are weighed more than recent news articles. In addition to that the page views thiyya/ezhava as separate ethnicity , which is contrary to all the early sources and the stance of wikipedia regarding the main page Ezhava.
For eg sources all the sources i provided are used as primary by wikipedia in the main article and it openly declares both as synonymous. I can provide 10 ++ sources for the same .
valid sources which treats both are same : The sources are attached
Lisa121996 (talk) 13:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
  • Further discussion should take place at Talk:Tiyyar or another relevant discussion page, as opposed to here. signed, Rosguill talk 13:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
    yes, Before but before lifting the revision , a conclusion need to be there regarding the persisting issues .
    this was discussed way before and the conclusion was always the redirect . Lisa121996 (talk) 13:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
    The fact that this article was in a redirect for like 10 years because of the same issue and this been discussed many times in addition to that there are more weighable sources which considers both as same , in addition to that the article is a copy version of the main page without any mention regarding that. multiple pages like tiyya was deleted previously and this was redirected. This need to be resolved before lifting the redirect . I have intiated a talk section there in the page . Lisa121996 (talk) 13:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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Some serious Issue with Tiyyar and similar pages .

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Hi @Rosguill I dont know you are WP:INVOLVED in this or not . However since you are dealing with redirects . I would like to point out a serious issue related to this .

multiple accounts in the name thiyya, thiyyas , tiyyas etc were created previously claiming that these are distinct from Ezhava, However in all cases the consensus was that all these pages in the names "thiyya,tiyyas,thiyyas were permanently redirected to the page Ezhava. Providing the links

[[2]] [[3]] [[4]] [[5]] [[6]]

An ongoing issue of randomly lifting the redirect (only temporarily solved ) is also happening in recent Tiyyar

The irony is that these groups have again submitted another draft in the name "Thiyar" making similar claims and pointing to similar people . link - [[7]] , that means 6 th duplicate copy "Thiyar" is being created after "thiyya,tiyyas,thiyyas,thiyyar and Tiyyar My humble question is what is a permanent solution for this ?? They are simply changing the spelling and coming up with the same contents and talking about the same people. Ezhava , this is been discussed since a long time. Again since you deal with redirects is there any permanent solution to this ? I am amazed to see , How such a credible platform is being exploited by these groups simply by changing the spellings. Lisa121996 (talk) 13:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Lisa121996, this sounds like a case of WP:GAMENAME--step 1 is to raise the issue with the editors engaging in it on their user talk pages. If that doesn't address the issue, open a case at WP:ANI or WP:AE. signed, Rosguill talk 14:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


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  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference Nossiter1982p30 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Mandelbaum, David Goodman (1970). Society in India: Continuity and change. University of California Press. p. 502. ISBN 9780520016231. Another strong caste association, but one formed at a different social level and cemented by religious appeal, is that of the Iravas of Kerala, who are also known as Ezhavas or Tiyyas and make up more than 40 per cent of Kerala Hindus
  3. ^ Gough, E. Kathleen (1961). "Tiyyar: North Kerala". In Schneider, David Murray; Gough, E. Kathleen (eds.). Matrilineal Kinship. University of California Press. p. 405. ISBN 978-0-520-02529-5. Throughout Kerala the Tiyyars (called Iravas in parts of Cochin and Travancore) ...
  4. ^ "Standing Committee on Social Justice and Empowerment (2006-2007)" (PDF). p. 13.

Ugh.

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You were the blocking admin for User:Murmayo, but just going through expiring ANI threads, I looked in at his talk page, which had additions that aren't merely TPA-revocation worthy, but cross the line into revdel territory to boot: [8]. Just thought you ought to know. Regards, Ravenswing 12:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Ravenswing, thanks for letting me know. I've gone ahead and pulled TPA access with someone else having already wiped the page clean. I decided against REVDEL since I can't really imagine someone being disrupted by its existence in this talk page's edit history so far off the beaten path, and thus it would be excessively covering the tracks of my own admin action's. signed, Rosguill talk 13:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Eh, no problem; that's why they pay you the big bucks. (However metaphorically.) Thank you for doing a thankless job for us all. Ravenswing 13:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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July 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes & Late Ottoman genocides

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Is there anyway we can protect these articles per WP:GS/AA enforcement action? Five users, each with under 500 edits, have been changing information since May 8th, June 17th for Late Ottoman genocides. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

  Done signed, Rosguill talk 22:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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I Choose You (Keyshia Cole song)

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Hi. Could this be WP:DUCK too? Ae245 (talk) 14:35, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, looks like it. Blocked. signed, Rosguill talk 15:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Christmas Carole

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Hello, why did you delete the article about the film Christmas Carole? This is a film which has been released and already had more references and details than plenty of long-standing film pages here. I will be reverting your deletion, but wanted to give you a chance to explain your reasoning first. Happy Evil Dude (talk) 10:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

As I noted in the edit summary available coverage is limited to trivial pre-release PR; at most we have one article noting that it wrapped filming which might include significant coverage (paywalled, can't verify). N.b., according to cited sources it's not clear that "Christmas Carole" is more than a working title, even if the film becomes notable it may not be the primary topic for this title. This also came after another editor had already tagged it with {{notability}}. The standard that the article is being evaluated against is WP:GNG. Could you identify which sources you believe address these concerns? signed, Rosguill talk 13:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Going through the listed sources again:
  • Coverfly is a self-promotional and contest-entry website, not independent coverage
  • Unifrance is a database without significant coverage
  • Allocine's article is pre-release PR without significant coverage
  • Scriptoclap appears to be a crowdsourced database, not significant or independent coverage
  • Les Sports is perhaps the only source that begins to make a case for WP:GNG. It is paywalled and I can't evaluate it, but even assuming the absolute best of this source, we need at least one other quality source to meet GNG.
  • Porquerolles Film Festival is a film festival listing a screening of the film, not significant coverage.
I did a further web search and was not able to find any additional sources. Generally speaking, the gold standard of film coverage is film reviews by professional critics or analysis by academics. signed, Rosguill talk 13:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Why this revert?

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[9] Hmm? Daniel Case (talk) 20:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

As I noted in the following edit summary where I self-reverted, I misclicked because my watchlist refreshed while trying to pull up a diff, and instead the mouse cursor landed on rollback of your edit. Completely unintentional. signed, Rosguill talk 21:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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Disagree with your deletion

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You base your deletion on a citation in another article, but that citation is a pop-culture website whereas mine is a published journal with scholastic integrity. Wikipedian-in-Waiting (talk) 12:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedian-in-Waiting, so a few considerations went into that revert that I would like to see addressed before reinstating
1. I was not able to pull up the actual page of the citation to Freedman 1981 that you provided and would like to see the exact quote
2. There's multiple sources, including academic sources, that place the invention of hard-shell tacos before the 1940s.
Pilcher 2008 is a peer-reviewed Food Studies paper that identifies the mass-production of hard-corn shells in the 1930s as an evolution of pre-existing foodways
MEL Magazine is not an academic press, but it interviews Pilcher and other academic subject-matter experts directly
3. One would think that if Cabeza de Baca was the inventor it would figure prominently into her own biography, but reviewing the sources at Fabiola Cabeza de Baca Gilbert, they don't devote much attention to that aspect at all. Further, the work that the hard-shell taco appeared in, The Good Life: New Mexico Traditions and Foods, is described by Rudnick 2012 as plac[ing] recipes within the historic and cultural contexts out of which they grew--i.e., not original recipes but rather adaptation and codification of existing foods.
So, based on the available information, my sense is that most likely either a) Freedman 1981 has been superseded by more recent scholarship or else b) it possibly doesn't actually attribute "invention" but rather "first publication" or similar claims to Cabeza de Baca. I would be convinced otherwise by additional peer reviewed citations that address the question of whether hard-shell tacos were mass-produced in the early 20th century. signed, Rosguill talk 15:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

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Did you look at their contributions? Doug Weller talk 19:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Not closely no, obviously their edits are very fishy but I don't have any concrete links to other accounts to suggest. signed, Rosguill talk 19:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Ok. They just seem to know a lot, including about socks. Doug Weller talk 20:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
They have been CU confirmed to another editor (by Fr33kman) on simple wiki. M.Bitton (talk) 20:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
@M.Bitton Thanks. Doug Weller talk 06:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
@M.Bitton And here, by me. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Truthfindervert. Doug Weller talk 12:24, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: Great! I might request a global lock (for the sockmaster) later on today. M.Bitton (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Good idea. Doug Weller talk 14:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Rosguill. Just letting you know about this as a courtesy. Would you also mind taking a look at Special:Contributions/Bottleboy04? There seems like a good chance that this is a case of WP:QUACK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit came out messy

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Hi Rosguill, this edit seems to have come out a bit messy[10]. I think I cleaned up any collateral damage but I would want to know if it had been my edit so just letting you know that something went wonky. Have a good day! Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

August 2024

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  Please do not attack other editors, as you did at wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Reliability_of_Al_Jazeera. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. RfC’s are not the place to comment on editor conduct. Further, your claims are false; nine errors, "regardless of significance", were identified, not "76 (!) "serious" errors".

Please remove that comment. BilledMammal (talk) 15:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I had misunderstood the scope of the prior discussion and will rephrase. signed, Rosguill talk 15:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Fixed--I remain of the opinion that the method and pace on display in the recent AJ discussions is not compatible with good-faith editing, and do intend to file a case at AE if tendentious challenges continue. signed, Rosguill talk 16:07, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Thank you
FYI, off the top of my head two sources recently have been subject to a greater level of scrutiny - ADL and The Telegraph. BilledMammal (talk) 16:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

AE limit

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Good day. I'm here about AE case; the user had already exceeded the 500 word limit here, and they exceeded it more by their latest reply: the reply is disingenuous and lacks context, but I can't explain as to why in AE or here (because in a way I'd circumvent the 500 limit) because I'm already at 498 words in AE. Can I get granted an extension, and if not, can the user comment be removed per word limit rules? Vanezi (talk) 17:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Granted, although I don't know that you'll actually need it at the moment. signed, Rosguill talk 22:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. Vanezi (talk) 03:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

About "Amirhossein fadakar"

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Hello @Rosguill Why did you restrict this article?! This person is a famous iranian athlete, he won 2023 asian karate championships gold medal. I think you mistake, he is notable. P@yam (talk) 11:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Payamkermanshahi, As I wrote in the edit summary, other than an interview I found online (not independent), coverage is limited to mere mentions, does not meet WP:GNG. Redirect to 2023 Asian Karate Championships where mentioned. Do you have access to any sources with better coverage? signed, Rosguill talk 15:35, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
yes of course
Karate Championship 2023 results on the website of the World Karate Federation.
Also, several official Persian language news agencies that are mentioned in this article.
P@yam (talk) 15:38, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
WKF is a primary source, so that's not what we're looking for. Meanwhile, the Mehr article you've linked doesn't mention Fadakar at all. I clicked through the linked articles on the page, [11], [12], [13], [14], and they don't mention Fadakar either. Ideally, we'd want to see multiple sources with at least 2-3 sentences specifically about Fadakar and his life/career. Have you read through WP:GNG? signed, Rosguill talk 16:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
These links you mentioned are related news. In the Wikipedia article 2023 Asian Karate Championships, his name was mentioned as a member of the Iranian men's team and a gold medalist.
It is clear that he won a gold medal and it is notable.
Due, in the article 2023 Asian Karate Championships, one of the sources is the WKF website, this website is the most reliable source of karate.
Also This website is known as the reference of sports websites.
P@yam (talk) 18:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Winning a medal as part of a team, in the absence of coverage of the subject as an individual, does not make a compelling case for notability. It could begin to make a case for the team being notable collectively, although again, we'd want to see coverage about the team's history, composition, performance etc. signed, Rosguill talk 19:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
I respect what you have to say, but don't you think you are being harsh with this article?
while a team competition was held and this person was a member of the team. With this point of view and reasoning, most of the articles about athletes should be restricted. due your statementes, none of the members of a football team that won the World Cup can't have an article. P@yam (talk) 01:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
I think you're missing the point here. Anyone can meet the notability guidelines, if extensive there's coverage in secondary sources. Almost every single player of top-flight football (let alone the top teams of the top flight) has thousands of words written about their career in independent publications. That's what establishes their notability, not the abstract fact that they've been on a team that has won a prize. signed, Rosguill talk 02:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
To give a concrete example, compare the sources you've provided to the sources cited in the article Ali Alipour, or any of his teammates. signed, Rosguill talk 02:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Its problem here, that your point is diffrent of other. those resources that i provided, all are most reable sport news agencies, but you said those are primary news and non-independent.
Now I have a question for you, how did you recognize that those websites are not independent and not authoritative? P@yam (talk) 19:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Statistics from a sports tournament and announcements by the tournament's organizers are by definition WP:PRIMARY sources. Moreover, the issue across the board is that the sources you've identified have virtually nothing to say about Fadakar, not that there's something wrong with their credibility. signed, Rosguill talk 19:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Because, this tournament was held in team category, and it news was covered. In the those resurces that i provided to you, they mentioned his name (fadakar), it wasn't indivitual tournament.
Also, keep in mind, non-Olympic combat sports are no covered very much, resources for such competitions are limited. I have no insistence to keep this article, but this article is really notable. There are also many Persian sources available. P@yam (talk) 20:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
P@yam (talk) 20:50, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
None of these do more than mention Fadakar's inclusion on a team. We need sources that discuss his biography, his style, the quality of his play/coaching, actual prose about Fadakar, not just listing his participation. Persian sources are as good as English, but none of the Persian sources identified have depth of coverage either. Please seek further assistance at the teahouse, as I feel like I'm repeating myself here. signed, Rosguill talk 21:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
None of the recent references (persian news) I sent last time could attract your attention? P@yam (talk) 21:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

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Is there anyway we can protect this article per WP:GS/AA enforcement action? User:Sergiopoghosyan200(33+ edits) and IP37.61.125.53(3 edits) are edit warring over the article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that seems reasonable. Will do. signed, Rosguill talk 16:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Thank you sir. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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Hello Rosguill, thank your for reviewing my request at new page patrol a little while ago. I have contributed a lot to Wikipedia since I had my deleted article in May which I've made 27 articles since then that haven't been deleted, plus I'm making two or three per day as well as participating in a few AfD's with 84% of my decisions being matches. Could you please re-consider your decision, even if it's just a trail for a one month. Many thanks! Azarctic (talk) 19:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I looked through your recent articles again per this request. While most of them are excellent, Danielle Moyse created a few days ago seems to lack sources that would add up to WP:GNG. I stand by my prior recommendation to keep up the good work and reapply in a few months. signed, Rosguill talk 19:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
The problem that I had with my other articles getting deleted is because articles on royalty, many editors on the EN wiki believe that it is not sufficient simply to be a member of a notable family but for inclusion in Wikipedia, which is why my articles were getting deleted. I'm expanding my varity on what articles I am creating now, and as you can see here, none of my articles have been deleted recently due to me not creating articles on royalty and nobility. Azarctic (talk) 19:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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Dear Rosguill,

Hello Rosguill, I see your talents and specialties and I would love to learn more about Wikipedia and NPP. I think you are the best teacher. I would love to be an adoptee. ScribblingScribe - TALK 20:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi ScribblingScribe, it looks like you've only made 24 edits to articles so far, so I don't think NPP training is appropriate just yet. I would recommend that you look for useful edits to make by checking out WP:TASK and start getting practice editing that way. signed, Rosguill talk 20:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Oh yes, I know NPP is a long ways away haha. I will certainly check out the task center however! Could you maybe teach me a bit about editing and more beginner things? :) ScribblingScribe - TALK 22:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Did you have any specific questions in particular? My usual advice for people just starting to edit Wikipedia is to start at WP:TASK and feel your way around different kinds of editing work. The existing guides and introductions to various areas of work linked from there should provide you with the introduction you need. signed, Rosguill talk 22:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Not many specific questions! Just one actually, how can I check article edits? ScribblingScribe - TALK 22:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
If you're referring to past edits to an article, you can check the "view history" tab on any page. If you're referring to checking how many edits you've made, you can use xtools. signed, Rosguill talk 23:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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can you please add this to the main space of artcile of deletion sept 5? I made some erros while editing this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/M._M._Akbar Aparamoorthy (talk) 13:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand what you are asking me to do. AfD pages are automatically transcluded to daily logs; the article in question appears at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 September 5. signed, Rosguill talk 14:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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