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thankyou for guidance

that was very informative ,,- the pages you directed me to. since im new and not much aware , i welcome your guidance and suggestion. i just added a topic "internet hindus" on one of your pages . since wikipedia is comprehensive , and extremely informative, i feel, mentioning of such an incident was necessary. that was just an addition,please dont see anything more than that. again im extremely thankful for those valuble comments. looking forward for your guidance ... Nurmengrad (talk) 09:13, 9 April 2015 (UTC)nurmengrad

@Nurmengrad: Hi, first of all, welcome. There is nothing to worry about that, over here anyone can get into a content dispute with anyone. To explain why the incident isn't mentioned on her page, you can see the following pages WP:NOTNEWS, WP:UNDUE and WP:RECENTISM. You can also see the old discussions on Talk:Sagarika Ghose. If you need any help with anything else, tell me. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:28, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

yes , i just want to include that "internet hindus" is a comment made by her. she famously used it on twitter. openly admits it of using it, and this was a big controversy surrounding her. she has admited of using and coining this word, openly. Should not this be mentioned on her page?. after all she has coined a new term , perhaps that may be , in future, included in oxford dictionary. i may have added biased view point, but we are free to edit. lets make it unbiased but shouldnt that term placed in wikipedia along with it's creator? Also what is important is not "tweets"but the "coinage of a new term".i'm not in any way adding news or tweets which i strongly feel are unnecessary on wikipedia, but "coinage of a term" is , however an intellectual property. also i noticed that in Talk:Sagarika Ghose she is literally vetoing editing. Can we be calojed by, or produce unbiased information on a subject and her/his life?like this way editing wikipedia is impossible. I have , many times quoted wikipedia text as "proof" on my various comments in various, online international newsletters and blindly trusted this website,but today i feel as if information is filtered by, and then added. like this way we cannot have constructive criticism.this term is her"intellectual property" not "news" .thankyou .

Please see this in light of constructive criticism.In many wikipedia pages , controversies are added .We may add , delete, and moderate, but cannot neglect to add the "subject's" viewpoint. Waiting for your response. Nurmengrad (talk) 13:39, 9 April 2015 (UTC)nurmengrad

@Nurmengrad: Yes, I'm aware of that. To summarise the reason in a single statement, controversies like this routinely appear in the news media and we don't give coverage to them unless they are exceptionally notable and/or have affected the said person's life. Let's take the example of Digvijaya Singh: a politician known for making statements which rock the media, but as a encyclopaedia, do we give any of those events or his quotations coverage in his biography? No. Unless they can be proved to be a exceptional notable that is.

One can say that there are sources documenting it so it should be covered. But just because it's verifiable, doesn't mean it should be included.

Now in Ghose's case, I found that her statement led her to receive some sort of abuse and made her quit social media. She quitting social media came in a BBC report (so international coverage) "Why are Indian women being attacked on social media?" and that convinced me that at least this was exceptionally notable and relevant to her bio page. Whereas the "internet Hindus" controversy (whichever side you cover it, for or against) didn't seem to have much notability like the previous; beyond the normal temporary news coverage, there were just blogs and other sites still covering it. That's why there's only that mention covering this incident. This is called giving due weight. The rest of her bio covers some notable interviews, that Ravi Shankar incident, her resigning as editor etc; this is what a bio should contain. Talking about and discussing that controversy would be giving undue weight to it.

No, you misunderstand, nothing was censored because she complained, just take a look at the Ravi Shankar incident, also do you see anything praising her? Other than her two talk page posts, there was I think a older and bigger discussion above it. If you want, we can further trim the part talking about her quitting social media to just a single statement. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:39, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

no thats not necessary.I, in any sense ,dont want information to be restricted, or limited.Well her "internet hindus" debate was done on Aljazeera news channel as well, so its international coverage on this topic. Again, I leave it to you, and dont question, in any way, your probity.But there must be at least one statement on this controversy too as this was taken to Aljazeera (stream) news channel .please see that you take the liberty of adding atleast one line on this issue .Rest remains with you.But please make me aware with your decision, as this may be helpful for this "budding"editor .waiting for your response.Nurmengrad (talk) 14:55, 9 April 2015 (UTC)nurmengrad

I'm only aware of this report: "Women, violence and Twitter in India" which is similar to the BBC report. if you're referring to it. Additionally one problem with adding even a slight mention of it is that usually attracts the wrong kind of attention with new editors wanting to put both the opposite sides of the controversy. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 15:18, 9 April 2015 (UTC)(forgot to ping @Nurmengrad: -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 15:21, 9 April 2015 (UTC))

Clarification: this one about internet Hindus is at best, minimal coverage. In any other case, I would have obliged and given it a small mention but as I said above, mentioning just little of a controversy like this is not possible. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 15:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Jama Masjid

Hi, I have addressed the issues raised in the GA review. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 04:06, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

@Royroydeb: Not to worry, that's on my watchlist. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 05:45, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi, if you have time, can please do a GA review of my articles (or any one of them) - Badshahi Mosque , Tomb of Safdarjung? RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 08:54, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Will do. I'll start one of those within this week. -Joel. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 08:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC) forgot to ping @Royroydeb: -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 08:59, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration Case Request

Ugog Nizdas, you are named as an involved part in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Content on Grand Ashura Procession In Kashmir and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for arbitration;
• Wikipedia:Arbitration guide.

For the Arbitration Committee, -- Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:47, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

India

Why you reverted the pic in this page Amit.pratap1988 (talk) 15:38, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

@Amit.pratap1988: It is a featured article and its images were carefully chosen through consensus. If you still think your image is relevant there, discuss on Talk:India. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 15:42, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Nizdast Bhai as you know kurta is traditional dress of India and that child picture was in front of clothing ..hope you support in shaping India page in better wayAmit.pratap1988 (talk) 15:45, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Kindly reply pleaseAmit.pratap1988 (talk) 15:58, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

(continued on Talk:India 11:59, 16 April 2015 (UTC))

Arbitration case request declined

The Arbitration Committee has declined the Content on Grand Ashura Procession In Kashmir arbitration case request, which you were listed as a party to. For the Arbitration Committee, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 03:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

File:Nasty P in the studio.jpeg

Hi

im new to this.

I thought I had put the details into another section for the picture :( i really dont have a clue.,

I have permission for the picture. The photographer and the subject has allowed it to be used, the picture is currently used on social media but I was sent it directly from the owner.

I hope this helps ?

thanks Azura81 (talk)

Both have allowed it? That's good but have they allowed it for free use (i.e one of the free licenses available)? Could you give me that social media link? And where did they say they allow it? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:22, 22 April 2015 (UTC)(forgot to ping Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:24, 22 April 2015 (UTC))

Sathya Sai Baba

Hi there, I have never done this before so I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing. I understand you feel that youtube is not a reliable enough source. However, the video shows the person in question extolling Sathya Sai Baba stating that he has been to visit him many times. Since this is a first person account, I think it is reliable.

Regards Harisk87 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harisk87 (talk • contribs) 16:40, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

@Harisk87: Hey there. I don't doubt that it's not true but if no reliable source can be found for this fact, we can't put it in the article. Reliable sources are third-party and independent of the subject so using normal news reports are fine. It's long time since I've visited that article so there might be some other parts like this which can be removed by anyone besides me. A good link for learning to cite is WP:CITE. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 16:47, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ugog Nizdast: Thank you for kindly letting me know. I will work on finding an independent secondary source. Moreover, I will see how to improve the article if possible

Talkback

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ww2censor (talk) 22:34, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

FYI

Have nominated {{Country data Mughal Empire}} for deletion. Informing you given your input at article talk page. Abecedare (talk) 19:11, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Original Barnstar

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for your efforts and extraordinary patience in making Ashura processions in Kashmir Best wishes.Eshwar.omTalk tome 22:22, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind wishes, but the main efforts in cleaning it up go to Abecedare, like see this talk post. -Joel. {Ugog Nizdast (talk)} 05:15, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh.

It appears that my ANI report resulted in everyone on my current talk-page getting a barnstar (except, poor Sitush). Well, at least you and Joshua deserved it. Glad to see something good came out of all this after all. :) Abecedare (talk) 05:39, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, thank you. And Sitush, of course, deserves some sort of a regular subscription for barnstars. Maybe we can automaticate that, like one barnstar for every 10 annoying threads at his talkpage? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:46, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Asaram page

Hello, That wasn't my personal views at all. It was based on the TV 18 news channel facts. I was just trying to update few of the details. Anyways, your wish. Himanshu79 (talk) 12:46, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

@Himanshu79: Hi. All you need to do is provide that source along with those facts when adding it. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 12:50, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Fine, I'll get back to you very soon :) Himanshu79 (talk) 12:54, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

GAR

Hi, if you can, can you do a GA review of Ali? I bet its long, so it is unnoticed. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 17:04, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, I'll be frank, I feel I'm not experienced enough to review a history article, that too a vital one. Tell you what, give it time, and if it strays towards the main backlog, leave me message then. Alternatively, I could try and locate some editors having a good grasp on this topic area, would you like that? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:19, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Heather Bresch

I was wondering if I could bug you to take a look at a discussion here. There is no clear consensus and I cannot edit boldly due to a disclosed COI, therefore I am unsure what to do about it. Any thoughts? CorporateM (Talk) 21:00, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll be sure to weigh in if I can. See you there, -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 04:40, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks; there is at least one editor that will oppose almost any suggestions I make to the article, so this requires me to get more editors involved; but once more editors are involved, that is likely to lead to different opinions, and since I am unable to edit boldly, I'll just end up with "no consensus" everywhere, unable to actually improve the article. Not sure the best way to go about making progress. Anyways, whatever you decide to do, a few minutes of your time is greatly appreciated. CorporateM (Talk) 18:25, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Update: I'm having some network problem and it will probably be resolved in a week's time. So most likely I won't be available till then to even check my watchlist. There seems to be many editors there, so maybe the discussion might resolve itself before I participate? Anyway, we shall see. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks; I'll continue working on the other sections that more obviously need expansion, as suggested. She is not that notable, but there are a few in-depth profiles[1][2][3] that contain plenty of material to bring it up to GA standards and replace junk/primary sources with. CorporateM (Talk) 07:20, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dwarf Fortress

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Dwarf Fortress you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jaguar -- Jaguar (talk) 11:40, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dwarf Fortress

The article Dwarf Fortress you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Dwarf Fortress for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jaguar -- Jaguar (talk) 12:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Citizen Kane

Would you be willing to do the Review yourself? Or find someone else willing to split it in half and share the review with, since it is very long? I think that there is unofficial, informal consensus to split the article itself, but the articles main editor WFinch is waiting for something official to be decided. I have worked on this article as well, but I defer to WFinch. I am also not very popular in many areas of Wikipedia, so I'd be fine with not being involved if that would make other editors feel better about themselves, but I would just like to see some progress made in the article. Since Orson Welles' 100th birthday has come and gone, it would be great if this could be the Today's Featured Article on the 75th anniversary of its release next year. That's my whole agenda.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 03:58, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Okay, though I don't know anyone (more familiar with the topic than me) who can help us with it. I'll see if I can find anybody at the Peer review volunteers list or WikiProject Film. I'll look into the splitting issue. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 04:29, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

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Mobility analogy GA review

Um ... I'm not a scientist, so that would be a challenge. But maybe. We'll see how this one goes. Daniel Case (talk) 15:02, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar of Diligence

	Barnstar of Diligence
	For your efforts in taking up coordination of Tag and Assess 2014 and bringing it to a successful close. Wish you achieve many more in the India related projects. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 04:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your warm wishes. I'll do my best. ‑Ugog Nizdast (talk) 06:59, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Dwarf Fortress

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:57, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	For your generally stellar editing, whether on content creation, housekeeping, or talk-page discussions. Keep it up! Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:45, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Vanamonde, your recognition means a lot. ‑Joel (Ugog Nizdast (talk)) 17:51, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Puducherry official language

After the back and forth on it on various pagesfor a while, I found a good ref for it from the District courts of Pondicherry. It appears that it's not as simple as our article makes it out to be, so perhaps a clarification note is needed. The same note can be used across all the pages (I can think of at least four currently). —SpacemanSpiff 08:42, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Good find. I've got this ref too: [4] but it doesn't mention French...odd. Your ref mentions "its official status was preserved by the Treaty of Cession signed by the Indian Union and the French Republic on 28 May 1956." Let's dig in more. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:03, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I think the confusion on French is because of this. According to the Treaty of Cession, French will continue until replaced. This Act by Pondicherry legislature made Tamil etc official languages, but it appears to be silent on French. So I'm guessing that some people treat the silence as "replaced" some people treat it as "additional". I haven't been able to find anything else that is reasonable! However, I have seen new road signs etc in French during my last visit, so not sure what the deal is. —SpacemanSpiff 09:14, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

So further search simply shows that so some say, some don't mention it and no one explicitly denies it. TOI mentions a "four-language system" but I think they're referring to English. We're forced to just state that "per the Act of 1965 French is the official language until replaced" and then mention "Tamil, Telugu and Malayalam are the three...". I'll get to it. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:24, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Hope that puts a stop to the constant back and forth edits. —SpacemanSpiff 09:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I think the change looks good. Once you think you're done, can you also add that text as a note within Puducherry, Languages with official status in India. As you are the author of the text if you add it I wouldn't have to worry about attribution syntax! cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 07:36, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I did think of doing that but felt unsure given that we still aren't sure whether there are three or four languages, that would confuse even more readers. Not much we can do here though, I'll get to it. Good day. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 07:42, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Still there? I just began at Puducherry#Official languages of government and it blatantly proclaims that "Contrary to a still widespread belief, the French language has no official status" using this as a source. I did use translate on it and towards the end it does mention something about French, but I didn't find it explicitly implying it, maybe a case of OR. Could you take a look at it and assess its reliability? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

This ref seems reasonable, sort of what I had alluded to -- the Official Language Act being silent on French which leads some to think that it eliminated French while others say that it just doesn't address the status of French. The court website says one thing, the languages commission says another and so on. I'm going to ask @Abecedare: to chime in here as he makes good sense of language problems. —SpacemanSpiff 03:47, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Maybe busy on a weekend so no reply. I've read it again, it just questions the lack of any mention about French as you said, nowhere any explicit mention that it isn't. Thus, the "contrary to popular belief..." statement misrepresents the source to some extent. Then I'll remove that part and replace it with the new summary of it. ‑Ugog Nizdast (talk) 16:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I saw a vacation notice put up for until the 25th and that he might not respond quick enough. We've had this piece of the 'pedia messed up for so long that I don't think the next dozen days ought to matter much. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 16:46, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

(note: moved to Talk:Official languages of Puducherry#Status of French ‑Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:12, 15 June 2015 (UTC))

Will take a look and add my 2c (may be a day from now). Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 17:15, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you

Thank you for your kind guidance.Priyadarshivishal23 (talk) 05:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)priyadarshivishal23.

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Making misuse

Making misuse of your seniority on Wikipedia: whatever edit I have done I have given reference to it i.e I have proved it. I will not edit the way you like it you are not owner of wikipedia that If you dont like it you will block me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prasannarane61993 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

@Prasannarane61993: That was just a warning since anybody can get blocked for violating the Three Revert Rule, over your repeated additions to India. Another one edit and I think you'll cross the limit. I urge you to discuss on Talk:India and to comment on content, not contributor. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:01, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

The problem is that I added a fact on Maharashtra Contribution to India Gdp proved it by giving a reference as page on Goverment on India site but There are many AntiMaharashtra People who didnt like it What can I do in this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prasannarane61993 (talk • contribs) 13:12, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

@Prasannarane61993: First we assume good faith on other editors. Then once you take this to Talk:India, many editors will see your post and discuss it. On a side note, sign your posts and thread your discussions by typing ':' like how I did here. Good luck, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:16, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Ugog Nizdast, I'd like to repeat what I have told the user, and Spacemanspiff in the past, just to keep you in the loop. The said user has not added any source for any of their claims, you can check their talk, my talk and Talk:Mumbai for more. They have made absurd claims in the past, none of which were backed up by a single source, and three days ago posted on Spiff's talk about the antiMaharashtra edits, and something about Palestine. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:27, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh. Was a little aware of that, but you know, thought that rather than crossing 3RR, it would be better if it ended all at Talk:India and not the ANEW. -‑Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:37, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

That would serve no purpose to be honest. The user, when last ask to present their opinions on the talk page, flooded it with same vague talks about some nonexistent law. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:11, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

The Problem Is of IQ Level I think ,Whatever Edits I did Were Truth and Official But Only Educated Person Knows To Be UnBiased and Truthful also Has Much More Knowledge.

In my edit of page of India and Economy of India I had given Facts and Also Given Reference.But then also my edits removed I am warned. Some one saying the page is related to India not Maharashtra. Maharashtra is part of India but also in this Pages Gujarat and Other States Praised but when I put Some fact about Maharashtra this things very difficult for them to Digest. My edits Were also targeted because they were not related to what this Senior people Like and related to their Region of Interest. The problem is that I added a fact on Maharashtra Contribution to India Gdp proved it by giving a reference as page on Goverment on India site but There are many AntiMaharashtra People.

Proof Of How user named Rsrikant is biased see edit history Of page of Ulhasnagar with sindhi language script in lead was Ignored by Rsrikant but he Warned Me of Marathi Script in Lead.This Page was ignored for long time which show How double Standard he is which was finally edited by me and he says he is Maharashtrian. No one is Maharashtrian by name but by action and belief ,I think his mind is Poisioned with AntiMaharashtra agenda.

You will find Many Pages with False Information given by editing but this Biased people keep quit.

I will Not Tolerate this Injustice at all.In my I have Never Bend in front of Any one and always Supported Truth .

I Know the world today is not good but I have full Confidence that Truth will always win. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prasannarane61993 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

when I had edited the Page of India And Economy of India I had Provided Reference:http://statisticstimes.com/economy/gdp-of-indian-states.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prasannarane61993 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Kerala

Good work on sorting out the lead length and the other stuff. Thanks,  Philg88 ^♦talk 07:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Why thank you. There still some loose ends to tie up though, and I'll get to it. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 07:42, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:30

@Ugog Nizdast: Regarding your edit in WP:30, the other party is a new editor/IP who changed cited material without supplying an appropriate citation himself. He did provide edit summaries, which is a limited form of discussion, but refused to engage in constructive discussion on the talk page. Can you suggest another forum for this? It puts someone willing to work within the rules (e.g. WP:3RR, WP:V) at the mercy of someone who isn't. Thanks! - Location (talk) 14:07, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

(removed at 14:09, 19 August 2015‎ and reinstated at 15:49, 19 August 2015 (UTC))

@Location: Sorry if you've changed your mind about posting here but I still don't mind responding.

I'm afraid this is a common problem which happens at some point to us all. All forms of dispute resolution require thorough discussion from both parties. WP:DISCFAIL is a good essay to follow. If the editor continues to be disruptive, the admin's noticeboard is to last resort. Good luck, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 15:49, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm really sorry

Hi Ugog Nizdast, I'm really sorry about the revert on Mumbai. I was going to click on Undo, but accidentally clicked Revert via twinkle. I'm really really sorry. Apologies. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 18:03, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

It's really fine, accidental rollbacks happen to all of us at some point of time :) Good day, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 18:05, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Feedback

Hi again, need your feedback on the last two edits on this page: here. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 21:20, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I'll take a look soon. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 04:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I'm checked out the article and I'm not sure what feedback you're looking for. Are you unsure whether it shouldn't be a standalone article versus a redirect? I see no sources in the article itself. Nor any discussion other than this old merge proposal. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 06:28, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Alright then. I was talking about standalone article vs redirect. The article history shows that it was at some point, close to 1k bytes. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:30, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't know much about the topic but if there were sources proving that it's just a type of the main clothing it's being redirected then a redirect is justified. If the sources say otherwise, then a separate article would be the way to go. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 12:49, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Awrighty. I'll see if I can find a few sources. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:31, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Editing 'Shivaji'

Hi Ugog Nizdast,I have edited wikipedia of'Shivaji' with relevant references.why my content is removed?Please elaborateAbhijeetRBonde (talk) 04:26, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi @AbhijeetRBonde: See what is a reliable sources. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 04:29, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Ugog Nizdast: I appreciate your action & suggestions regarding reliable source. But the reference provided by me is best to my knowledge & does not hurt anyone's sentiments & it is neutral in all aspects.Unfortunately ,this particular news was not published in many newspapers or web sites & that doesn't mean that it was false or misleading. Hope you help me out on this.AbhijeetRBonde (talk) 04:40, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@AbhijeetRBonde: I didn't say that the content is false or misleading, but the source definitely isn't up to our standards. An article about an historical figure should ideally contain sources written by historians, to a lesser extent from popular media etc. not polemic websites. We cannot use it here. In short, if it was important, the reliable sources would have mentioned it. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 04:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@Ugog Nizdast: Ok Ugog. In support of my claim I am giving these 4 additional references.Please check them .

    Ref 1:-"http://www.sakaaltimes.com/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsId=4829632782165884417&SectionId=5171561142064258099&SectionName=Pune&NewsTitle=Historian+recalls+Shivaji%E2%80%99s+war+tactics", title='Historian recalls Shivaji’s war tactics'
    Ref 2:-"http://organiser.org/Encyc/2013/12/30/Pioneer-in-reconstructing-the-bonds--Baleshwar-Agarwal.aspx", title='Chhatrapati Shivaji: Inspiration for Vietnamese'
    Ref 3:-"http://www.fropper.com/post/117370", title= 'Tribute To The Gr8 Son Of India Shivaji By a Foreign Country'
    Ref 4:-"http://www.answers.com/Q/Why_ho_chi_mi_of_Vietnam_installed_statue_of_chhatrapatil_shivaji_in_Vietnam",title='Why ho chi mi of Vietnam installed statue of chhatrapatil shivaji in Vietnam?' 
     Hope these will be accepted as valid proofs in support of my claim & my content will be recovered soon.AbhijeetRBonde (talk) 05:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@AbhijeetRBonde: answers.com and fropper.com are sites where anybody can post. www.sakaaltimes.com and organiser.org aren't even mainstream media. Adding multiple unreliable sources instead of a single reliable one doesn't help. See WP:UNDUE. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 05:14, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@Ugog Nizdast: Thanks for your time & suggestions.Hope after some days I will get back to you with more reliable source which supports my claim which currently looking irrelevant & misleading to you & concerned authorities.My intentions was just to spread a good universal message to entire world regarding the good deeds & ideals set by Maratha Warrior Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj which find its importance across the boundaries & continents. AbhijeetRBonde (talk) 05:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Sorry to be late to the party, but Sakaal is indeed a notable newspaper. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:30, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

In any other case, I would have allowed it. The paper could be more notable than I had thought since I didn't hear about it before Sakaal times (though I should be more careful in future). That may be so, but given the context (an exceptional claim coming from a historian Ninad Bedekar whose notability is doubtful), we need better sources to prevent undue weight and WP:HISTRS comes to mind. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 01:56, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I would second that sentiment. From what I have read, Sakaal times seems to be reliable enough, given that it has among the widest circulation in its region, but for historical claims a scholarly source is definitely preferable. Especially given the large market in the subcontinent for historical revisionism of all kinds. Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:30, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks V. Especially when the scholar himself, was partially responsible for getting another's book banned. Speaks a lot about him. Like an artist requesting another's work to be censored. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:40, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Yadav image

I pinged you at commons:User_talk:Ugog_Nizdast#File:MulayamSinghYadav2015.jpg. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:15, 24 August 2015 (UTC)