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February 8

Help with donating high quality media that i own for article at this link Oryn the Rebel

Hello, i read that it is acceptable for me to upload/donate media for an artist that i represent. I am having trouble figuring out to introduce it to the page, I understand that editing of articles by affiliated people is not acceptable however if i can get help with uploading high quality pictures and or videos of the artist Oryn the Rebel i would appreciate it. We own the content and have permission to use it from Oryn the Rebels management team. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unsignedart (talk • contribs) 00:08, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

The images can only be uploaded if you, yourself, are the owner, or have an authorization from the copyright holder. The subject of the image is not the copyright holder, the photographer is. RNealK (talk) 00:21, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

That's a little too simplistic. It is possible that the subject or his management agency does own the copyright if the contract with the photographer assigned it to them. We cannot, however, assume that there was such an assignment.--ukexpat (talk) 01:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

First, I would like to thank the artist for his/her generous intention of donating material. Second, I would like to apologise for Wikipedia's difficult rules regarding copyright – these rules are there for good reasons, and people better qualified than me will help to steer you through them. Third, I would point out that this help page is for English-language Wikipedia. It would be even better if the pictures could be donated to Wikipedia Commons, which is a collection of resources that can be used in all language-versions of Wikipedia. However Wikipedia Commons has stricter rules regarding copyright than English-language Wikipedia. If the artist is willing to consider donating the material to there, a good starting-place would be the Commons Help-desk. Maproom (talk) 15:33, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, to echo Maproom, it is great when the copyright holder is willing to release images with a suitable licence, so that they may be used in Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects; but note that "permission to use only on Wikipedia" is not an acceptable licence, as this is contrary to Wikipedia's own licence. The procedure to follow is explained in WP:Donating copyright materials. What the previous answers haven't talked about is editing the article. Uploading the pictures is quite separate from editing the article. In general, people who are close to the subject are discouraged from editing articles, as they have a conflict of interest, and may find it difficult to edit in a sufficiently neutral way; but adding an appropriate image, once it has been uploaded to Commons or Wikipedia, is usually acceptable. --ColinFine (talk) 18:06, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect address

Hi, Folks.

My name is Jacqueline Gaudet. I am an officer of the BPOE Hellgate #383 (on of the buildings designed by Link and Haire of Helena).

When reading this piece on the two gentlemen, I scanned for our Lodge. I couldn't help but notice that the address shown is incorrect. Our Lodge is located at 112 N. Pattee, not 120 N. Pattee. There is no 120 N. Pattee. You can confirm this by googling our Lodge or its address.

Thanks,

Jacqueline Gaudet, PSECY BPOE Hellgate #383 112 N. Pattee St. Missoula, Montana 59802-4440 406/549-0542 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.146.142.12 (talk) 01:36, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Ms. Gaudet, I've fixed the article. <shameless attempt to drag you into the fold> You can fix things like this yourself, if you'd like; just click on the "edit this page" button and make the change. </shameless attempt to drag you into the fold> --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:44, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Apple Operating System for HP Compaq dc 7600 Small Frame Factor based PC 32 bit X 86

Apple Operating System for HP Compaq dc 7600 Small Form Factor based PC with Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit X 86 PC— Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.255.42.70 (talk • contribs)

Have you tried the computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. When and if you do post there, I think you might want to be a bit clearer about what you're seeking; spell it out. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:19, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

BHT definitions

Below is a section from your definition on BHT used in foods. My concern is that it sounds like there is still improper labeling and I thought that this was illegal. Can you please fix the last sentence or add that this was something that occured in the 70's. Maybe the tense of the word "contain" should be past and that would solve this. If you update it to reflect that this currently occurs today, I will start a successful petition against it. Highly successful. Thanks very much. MJA

ControversyIn the 1970s, Dr. Benjamin Feingold, a San Francisco medical doctor who established the Feingold diet, claimed that BHT could produce hyperactivity in some children. In addition, some controversy surrounds the link of BHT to cancer risk,[8] some studies showing the potential to increase and some showing a decrease in risk.[9][10][11] Some food industries have voluntarily eliminated this additive from their products, and since the 1970s it has been steadily replaced with the less studied BHA. Some foods labeled as "no preservatives" or "no preservatives added" actually contain BHT that was present in the ingredients used to make the product but which does not require disclosure on the label. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.234.176 (talk) 03:22, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

If you have a suggestion or concern, it's usually best to leave a note on the article's talk page. Or, be bold and fix it. Also, just becasue something is illegal, doesn't mean it isnt hapening. RudolfRed (talk) 03:29, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

IOS 6.1 Safari Browser issue

Ever since I upgraded to 6.1, I have to click most Wikipedia links twice in order to bring up the page. This happens on at least two of my devices. Any idea if this is a known bug?  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  04:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I am unable to reproduce your problem on an iPad 2 (model MC980B/A) or on an iPhone 4s (model MD235B/A); both running iOS 6.1. You might consider resetting each device (note resetting not restarting) or you might try clearing the cache. Other than the above, I am unable to assist. Perhaps ask this question on the computing reference desk? Try to be a little more specific. Let them know your devices and exactly which Wikipedia page and which link (or links) reproduce this issue --Senra (talk) 13:22, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I have been asked (off-wiki) to clarify the above. My advice for resetting each device is not the same as Settings-->General-->Reset-->Erase All Content and Settings, which restores the device to factory settings, including erasing all apps and content and is specifically not what I am recommending. Nor is resetting each device the same as Settings-->General-->Reset-->Reset All Settings which simply sets the device back to its default settings, including such things as passwords, without erasing apps and content. I hope this is clearer? --Senra (talk) 16:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I tried that and it didn't work. To clarify, the problem happens usually in my watchlist in the "inner" frame, clicking on diffs and history links.  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  17:01, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

On my iPad 2 (model and iOS version noted above) I can access all of the following blue links with a single tap "17:01 (cur | prev) . . (+417) . . Little green rosetta (talk · contribs) (→ IOS 6.1 Safari Browser issue: )" so I cannot reproduce your issue. For reference, my Settings-->Safari parameters are: Seach Engine=Google >, Autofill=On >, Open New Tabs In Background=On, Always Show Bookmarks Bar=Off, Private Browsing=Off, Accept Cookies=From visited >, Fraud Warning=On, Javascript=On, Block Pop-Ups=On and Advanced > Web Inspector=Off. Try the experts at our computing reference desk --Senra (talk) 17:24, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

obtaining detailed page statistics

I am wanting to find out a way to obtain data for this wikipedia article; Trust For Nature

I am hoping someone can point me towards a method to obtain data for total page views (going back beyond 90 days), and from where people are finding the page (eg. via search, links within articles or just directly from google). I have been able to use the simple page view statitics via toolbox, but this is limitted to 90 days and only to page views per day.

Thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiffing (talk • contribs) 05:23, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

You can see the stats at this page (use the drop down menu underneath to select different months to view). I'm fairly sure that we don't have a referrer service, so I doubt you would be able to find out where those views originated - you could ask at the Village Pump's Technical board, though. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:41, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Gotra Match for Marriage

We are Kowshika Gothra and got an alliance who are Vishwamitra gotra and they say thAt if pravaras are checked, then we can match. They Are vishwaamitra agamartha koi shiksa We do not know our pravara. How to go ahead? Do we have any method to know our pravara? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.79.40.95 (talk) 08:01, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Roger (talk) 11:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a list of Pravaras which lists Koushika as Vaiswaamitra, Aghamarshana, and Koushika. It lists Viswamitra as Vaiswaamitra, Devaraata, Owtala However, there seem to be some errors/incomplete information in our list. It is best to ask local religious scholars I think. Rmhermen (talk) 15:08, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Template

Can someone help me regarding this. I want to know how to make a template such as [[Template:ITN-Update|ITN-Update]] which can change its color after a certain period of time when it have not been updated. Rather than changing color I want the template to disappear when it have not been edited for a certain period of time and will appear again when it have been updated. --Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 10:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I think the Technical Village Pump is probably the best place to get help with such a sophisticated matter. Roger (talk) 12:00, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

{{Editnotice}} has such an expiry feature. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 12:34, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

{{Editnotice}} has a manually set expiry date not depending on edits to the template, and no system to change appearance more than once. {{tl|ITN-Update}} uses Template:In the news/Last update which is manually reset [1] when a new story is added to ITN. It's not automatic because a change to an existing ITN story shouldn't cause a reset. And a manual reset means that it's sometimes forgotten even when it should have been done. It sounds like you want something else: An automatic system where editors don't have to manually reset a timer, and the expiry time since last edit is always the same. Is that right? I don't think this is possible for a transcluded template. It seems it would require {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} but that magic word has no page parameter to see when another page was updated. It can only see when the page itself was updated. So a template could be coded to make the template page itself go blank after a certain time without edits, but I guess this isn't useful to you. Note that any solution can only cause a change to a page when the page is purged or rerendered for some reason. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:45, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay thanks. I have been able to do it using the #switch function and hours elapsed template. It was for the news section of dv.wikipedia's new main page.--Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 09:18, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

I think you are supposed to save {{subst:REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} after updates. At dv:ފަންވަތް:Main Page-Current Events/Last update you have {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}}. This gives the last edit to the page where it's transcluded, and not the last edit to dv:ފަންވަތް:Main Page-Current Events/Last update. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:34, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Is it okay now? Can you please check whether there is any problem with it. If it is working it should be displayed for 98 hours and disappear after that. Links here dv:Template:Main Page-Current Events/Last update & dv:Template:Main Page-Current Events. Gladly appreciate your help--Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 13:05, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

It looks right. I made some preview tests with other timestamps and it disappeared when it should. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Tine company logo

Hello! How and where can I upload a new and correct logo on my companys page? Just cant seem to figure it out! ¨¨¨¨ — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnniPC (talk • contribs) 13:23, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

You can select the Upload file link in the Wikipedia:Toolbox on the left of all pages. That will start an upload form which will guide you through the necessary steps. However, you cannot currently do that, because your account is not yet autoconfirmed. In order to become autoconfirmed, your accounts must be more than 4 days old and made at least 10 edits. Your account was created on 2012-03-22, but hasn't made 10 edits yet. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 14:28, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Is that logo you want to upload available online somewhere? If yes, could you post the link to that logo file here? Then we can take a look at it and perhaps upload it for you. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 14:32, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

It seems to be on this page here if that helps. The actual logo is here --Senra (talk) 14:44, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

 Done I updated the logo. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:00, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Republishing a previously deleted article initially created by a banned user

I want to republish an article that was once initially created by a banned user. The article was deleted due to that it was created by a banned user. Before the article was deleted, I was planning to improve that article... so I decided to save it on my Sandbox (see it here). I am worried that if I republish it, I may also get banned because I will recreate the same article. So is it okay to republish it, or not?--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 14:45, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you can do that. See WP:PROXYING. If your version was a copypaste of the article (instead of having the article moved to your userspace), you will need to have an admin restore the history of the article for copyright/attribution purposes. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 15:01, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying this out. :) Yes it was just a copy-pasted sandbox.--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 18:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Getting templates to work

Not sure whether this is the right place to ask, but WikiProject: Orphan didn't seem terribly busy. I would like to have a template on one of my subpages that gives me easy access to orphaned articles and other article issues within Wikipedia:WikiProject Quebec. The ones supplied by WP:Orphan are as follows:

• Orphaned articles in Quebec

Here are some tasks awaiting attention: Cleanup : clean-up listing for Quebec Geographical coordinates : All articles needing coordinates in Quebec Orphans : Orphaned articles in Quebec Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Quebec

If you try to follow the links, neither of them works. However, if I change "Quebec" to "Afghanistan," for example, it does. What do I need to do to make it work? - Sweet Nightmares 15:33, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

It seems you have to submit new a new entry for Quebec. You could do that using this interface. User:Svick/WikiProject cleanup listing/Add says you need access granted by User:Svick. I see you already left that user a message, so I'd just wait for his response. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:45, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I discovered that the broom doesn't link to the same place after I submitted this post. Thanks for the help! - Sweet Nightmares 16:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

NAMAK HALAL - NOT - NAMAK HARAM

HI TEAM, YOU GUYS ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB OUT THERE, BUT AS I WAS READING A MOVIE ‘ASLI NAQLI’S STORY I FOUND LITTLE MISTAKE AT THE END OF ‘CAST’ PART …. Highlights: There is a scene in which Nasir Hussain praises the workmanship of an artifact to Dev Anand when the latter is disturbed. The same scene would be repeated by Hrishikesh Mukherjee in the film Namak Haram (1973) between Om Shivpuri and Amitabh Bachchan. In above highlight paragraph… it should be NAMAK HALAL – instead of - NAMAK HARAM.

Sending u link.. get it corrected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asli-Naqli

Thank you Regards- Dilip Kumar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.2.236.197 (talk) 15:57, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Such requests should generally be made at the talk page of the article in question – in this case, Talk:Asli-Naqli. Also, when asking someone else to do something, it's not a bad idea to say "please" – we are all volunteers here. You may, in fact, edit the article yourself. Lastly, the narrative surrounding the link (including the director's name) supports the link to the film named, as it currently stands. Wikipedia requires reliable sources. If you have one, please cite it in your edit, or in your request on the talk page. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 17:52, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I believe the films in question are Namak Halaal and Namak Haraam.Naraht (talk) 17:54, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Katherine Willis Page Image

Katherine Willis

I'm trying to load an image from Wiki Commons onto the Katherine Willis page. No matter what version of the image coding I use, superfluous code ends up around the image. Please advise! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravenmcm71 (talk • contribs) 16:04, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Fixed by 70.114.163.133 (talk · contribs) in this edit to this version --Senra (talk) 16:15, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Tweaked it slightly in this edit --Senra (talk) 16:21, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

That image appears to be a copyvio from http://www.kwillis.com . Permission from the copyright owner will have to be submitted to permissions as set out at WP:IOWN.--ukexpat (talk) 18:04, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Wild Life

QUESTION ON INDIRA GANDHI WILD LIFE NATIONAL PARK IN TAMIL NADU, INDIA.

How Many Difference Type Of Wild Animals Really Are There Really ? How Many Tigers are There At Present and in which area they are ? How Many Leopands are There At Present and In Which Area they are ? How Many Wild Dogs Are There at present and in which area they are ?

Do The Indira Gandhi Wild Life National Park, Accept Donation on Building, Like Building Steel Works By Private Partys ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lnbava (talk • contribs) 17:26, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. RudolfRed (talk) 17:38, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Book creator won't download!

I've been using the book creator for a while now, and just compiled a number of pages under the title "Ecoregions & World Heritage Sites". A bit of an eclectic mix, but I had intended it strictly as a download -- something I've done maybe a hundred times or so by now. Problem is, while I could run the page through the compilation process, when I hit <download the file>, it comes back with a "file not found" flag, no matter what format I try to export it as.

For the record, I'm using a (technically) public computer that's running Windows XP, browsing on Firefox, and AVG is doing security.

Any clues, guys?

KhyranLeander 18:08, 8 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khyranleander (talk • contribs)

Somehow you are either bypassing the browser cache or the download pointer is either disabled or misdirected. I'm guessing that the "public" computer has been set up as to disallow downloading of (potentially) harmful files (i.e.: all files?). 74.60.29.141 (talk) 18:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Definitely not all files, as the download manager mutorrent runs fine. I'm looking into the others you mentioned, but I'm not terribly tech-savvy, and only have an idea of what those things are in general -- not even where to look for problems, let alone how to fix them. (Heck, I still try to forget to do the signature at the end of these entries!)

PS - for the record, found it worked fine if I dredged up IE & pointed it at the saved book. Inelegant, but until I can figure out what is going on with the Firefox version, guess I'll just say thanks for trying.

KhyranLeander 16:03, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Help with copyright please!

I was aked to create a wikipedia page by an organization that I volunteer for and the president gave me permission to use the information from their website. It has now been tagged as copyright. Can you please help me figure out what the next steps are? The organization is trying to develop their web presence and wikipedia is one way that they would like to do this.

Amyloidosis Foundation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amyloidfnd (talk • contribs) 19:09, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

See WP:DCM, but note that the tone will probably still be inappropriate. The article also has problems with notability. Your user mame is also a breach of the user name policy.--ukexpat (talk) 19:15, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Any organisation that tries to use Wikipedia as part of developing its web presence is automatically violating a fundamental principle of Wikipedia: no promotion. (It doesn't matter whether the organisation is commercial or not: promoting it is incompatible with the purposes of Wikipedia). Please see WP:ORG. Further, in asking you to create a page from them they are putting you in an almost impossible position, as you have a conflict of interest which will render it very difficult for you to create an acceptable article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:34, 8 February 2013 (UTC) --ColinFine (talk) 23:34, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Isleworth Mona Lisa Page

I have read the Wikipedia article titled: Isleworth Mona Lisa several times, and have found it to be lacking citations, contains dead or non-existent links, and in general shows a lack of respect for the Wikipedia format. I also have followed this Page long enough to see it has been marked needs additional citations for verification over 3 years ago, yet no additional citations have been provided, and it was also once marked NPOV but instead of correcting the NPOV it was explained why it was written from a non-NPOV and the tag was "boldly" reverted. (as reversion was discussed in Talk Pages)It would seem this article has little interest as no one is taking any tagging seriously nor is anyone correcting the grievous errors it contains. I believe this page should be deleted or corrected. Being I am not sure how to do either I brought it here for discussion.--75.17.193.238 (talk) 19:40, 8 February 2013 (UTC)Onceagain.

I would first suggest you consider improving upon the article by researching the topic to see if you can find reliable sources and include them. Alernately you can go over to the copy editors guild and see if they can help you. It doesn't seem to be a meaningless page because over 9000 people have viewed the page in the last 90 days. However, if you still feel the article is hopeless and doesn't belong on wikipedia, you could always submit it for an article for deletion. Tiggerjay (talk) 23:29, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Image - licensing?

I'd like to add a picture to an article. I've spoken with the photographer, and they give their permission for it to be used however and in any way. They don't know a specific license to release the photo under. How do I denote that this is a usable picture while keeping the copyright patrollers of Wikipedia happy? Thanks in advance! Foofish (talk) 19:54, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

A couple of questions above this one you'll see a link to WP:DCM; that's the place to look. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:03, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Go to Wikipedia:Contact us - Licensing and drop the volunteers an e-mail. Dismas|^(talk) 20:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

The photographer will have to select a license, we cannot advise about that.--ukexpat (talk) 20:08, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

nespaper clips

is it ok - and if so Any way to include a gallery of images, of newspaper clips that I scanned and uploaded to Wiki Commons?

Bodora (talk) 22:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC) Bodora. contribution: Eduardo Darino.

Have you already uploaded the image to commons? If so, yes you can include it, if it the image is relevant to the article. Tiggerjay (talk) 23:23, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Your uploads at commons:Special:Contributions/Bodora look like copyright violations. You don't become the copyright holder of an image just because you scanned it from a copyrighted work. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

And now tagged for deletion as such.--ukexpat (talk) 01:16, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

BLP

Will, an admin please delete this version which I think works libelous because the man's full name and place of work is included? And, no, I'm not even involved in the case, just wanted to draw attention to a possible violation of BLP. --109.232.72.49 (talk) 22:36, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

That information was already redacted at this edit. Tiggerjay (talk) 23:22, 8 February 2013 (UTC)