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Vostok Europe

We would like to create an article with correct text about our company and our product - Vostok Europe watches. Where and how we could do it here? Igorzubovskij (talk) 10:38, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Igorzubovskij: Generally, just don't. First of all, based on you saying our here, you have a big conflict of interest and would almost certainly not be able to write neutrally about the subject. Secondly, Wikipedia is generally uninterested in what article subjects have to say about themselves; we care about what reliable sources say and put that in a neutral tone — nothing else. If your company is truly notable enough for inclusion in the encyclopedia, someone uninvolved will likely start an article about it. However, if you still decide to create this article, you should do it as a draft at Articles for Creation, and you absolutely must follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 12:07, 24 March 2022 (UTC) revised 12:08, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Igorzubovskij. The first thing I think you should do before trying to create such an article is to carefully read through Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest because those pages all contain information that I think you'll find helpful. I know that seems like quite a lot to ask from you, but the more familiar you're with some key things about Wikipedia, the less likely you're going to find yourself running into problems. If, after looking at those pages, you have any specific questions, feel free to come back and ask them here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:16, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

silly dispute with an experienced editor

• I added a suggestion to the talk page of Broccoli (it's about a symbolic connection to Cannabis) and gave six sources (among them the Museum of Modern Art, and AdWeek). An experienced editor reverted this.
• In writing on my talkpage (older IP) the same editor behaved in what I felt was a very condescending way.
• I asked for help on Wikiproject:Cannabis, and another editor said i "shouldn't be 'punished' for making such a suggestion" but suggested Talk:Cannabis culture as a better place to discuss it.
• I laid it out on Talk:Cannabis culture.
• Reflecting on all this, I realised that Broccoli (to be clear I never edited the article, I only added to its Talk Page) actually isn't the best place for this, but Broccoli (disambiguation) is.
• I added a single sentence to Broccoli (disambiguation), clarifying the meaning of two items on the disambig list (both items use Broccoli as a symbol for Cannabis), which was then reverted by the same editor as previously, and the editor suggested I might have a Conflict of Interest, which I don't have (what would that even be here?).

I don't know what is happening. Can someone please come to Talk:Cannabis_culture#Cannabis_and_Broccoli and read the discussion there? To me this feels ridiculous. It is possible, it feels the same to the experienced editor, but I can not see their POV. 91.64.59.58 (talk) 23:32, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi 91.64.59.58 and welcome to the Teahouse! Discussing on the talk page was the right thing to do. From the edit summary:

Reverted 2 edits by 91.64.59.58 (talk): No WP:RS or consensus to include

Your edit probably got reverted for not having reliable sources to support the statements you added.

When adding information, be sure to find a reliable source so others can confirm it is true. There are templates you can use for this, like {{cite web}} for web pages, {{cite book}} for books, and so on. Happy editing! I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 00:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Can someone please come to Talk:Cannabis_culture#Cannabis_and_Broccoli and read the discussion there? A canned statement explaining the obvious is not helpful. 91.64.36.101 (talk) 12:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

What's the lowest edit count any admin had when they were voted in?

I'm just curious. I currently don't have any intention to become one, as I am far too busy and don't have enough experience. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:07, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/lustiger seth, closed as success (151/46/9) with <250 edits (the exact amount I haven't bothered to count, but it is indeed less than 250.) casualdejekyll 18:26, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

That was in 2008. Different standards now. David notMD (talk) 00:48, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, obviously. But I answered @QuickQuokka's question as asked, did I not? Plus Seth was a very special case even then. casualdejekyll 13:12, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey there!

I’m trying to make a page called “Lefty’s Cheesesteaks” but I don’t know how to create the page though. So can you help me? Amogusfortnitemincraft (talk) 22:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Are there any in-depth, non-routine, independent sources written by identifiable authors and published in outlets with editorial oversight that fact-checks, corrects, and retracts? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:10, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I recommend going to your sandbox to make a draft of it to submit for review. If done, just go to the search bar, and type, "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[article name]" to make the article. G-Toasty (talk) 22:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Amogusfortnitemincraft Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you don't have a lot of experience editing existing Wikipedia articles. To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the business, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:40, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Between the username and the title I'm too scared to Google on a school computer such as the one I'm using right now, not entirely sure how that article would go. casualdejekyll 13:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

This article have Indic name

Sant Muktabai Sahakari Sakhar Karkhana, a sugar factory situated in India. Its name is Sant Muktai Sugar factory, as per Times of India article, which is present in ref sect in that page. I suggest to rename this page.Success think (talk) 12:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Success think: To request a page move, see WP:RSPM. --The Tips of Apmh 13:06, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @The Tips of Apmh:, I did what the link info said but is it working? 'cause there is no templet generated for name change req on the that page's top. Success think (talk) 13:17, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I've cleaned it up but you might have done something wrong. Make sure you follow the directions carefully. The Tips of Apmh 14:00, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Actually, seems like it's working now. --The Tips of Apmh 14:05, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Medieval charter sources

making an article about a medieval charter, what do I use as a source? WP:RS says I can't do original research and the article I'm writing (Gelnhausen Charter) is about a medieval charter. what sources am I supposed to use? Prof. Pedantic (talk) 15:12, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@Prof. Pedantic Welcome to the Teahouse! You can use encyclopedias, books, academic journals, newspapers, magazines, and other published independent reliable sources. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:27, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@Prof. Pedantic It looks like you have enough sources to get started on this particular article, but just in case you find yourself in a similar situation on another and are stuck for sources: sometimes, there's no way to write the article without "original research", and you just have to give up on it, alas. You can use archival sources in some very limited situations, but since a medieval charter requires specialist skills to read in the first place, you can only cite it, even for totally uncontroversial claims like "the charter says, '(some directly quoted text with no modifications or interpretation)'", if someone has already published an edition of the thing. (If an edition doesn't exist, and you're a diplomatics specialist, that someone could be you! But until then, no one can quote it on Wikipedia.) -- asilvering (talk) 03:48, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

yeah I recently added those sources. thanks though Prof. Pedantic (talk) 15:58, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Not Around Template On Around User

If I noticed a 'Not Around' template on a user who has since edited very recently, do I just remove it, or ask on their talkpage, or what? --Isro! ^chatter 17:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Axisroi: Welcome to the Teahouse. I don't see the point in removing it for them. You could ask about it on their talk page, but it's a template that shouldn't be taken as gospel, and reading the documentation, shouldn't be used by the user to announce their inactivity. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:36, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Axisroi: Feel free to just remove the template, as its purpose is to inform other editors that the user is absent. If they have edited recently, the template obviously does not apply now, and can be removed. --The Tips of Apmh 17:39, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! --Isro! ^chatter 17:40, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Need help

someone take care of the article i made, im 2 lazy to learn this, thanks! 666Sally666 (talk) 16:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

666Sally666 Surely not that hopeless. Draft:Magic Still Exists, about an album by Agnes, was declined in December, significantly revised by you, resubmitted and awaiting review. The previous albums by Agnes are each existing Wikipedia articles, listed at Agnes Carlsson discography, so not impossible that this one will succeed. Persevere! David notMD (talk) 17:00, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

666Sally666, I share in David's enthusiasm and encouragement of you to keep persevering. Editing here is hard, especially in the beginning. There is a lot to learn but the beauty of it is that you have all the time in the world if you are willing to read. There is no pressure to edit nor is there a time limit on your membership in the community. And when you are ready to edit there or dozens of ways to edit and millions of articles that can be edited or cleaned up, not to mention the countless articles needing to be created in the first place. Take your time. Slow down. It's going to be okay. If you need to take a break then do it and come back refreshed and renewed. We're here to support you 100%. --ARoseWolf 17:07, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

The draft was approved and moved to main space. Congrats, 666Sally666! Pinging David notMD. --ARoseWolf 20:22, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

My First Spinoff

The article for 100% Wolf has a section devoted to the spinoff TV show. The TV section is long enough to merit its own page w/ corresponding episode table. As this will be my first article, I'm wondering how to go about it. Should I use the article wizard as if I was creating a new article out of whole cloth or is there a preferred way to do a spinoff? Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 20:53, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Use the Article Wizard - or discuss splitting the section off into its own article on Talk:100% Wolf. Really, creating a content fork isn't that dissimilar to creating an entirely new article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:15, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Flydex Automobiles

Dear Kindly help me to encounter the problem that my work not rejected again. Akash.srivastava108 (talk) 19:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Akash.srivastava108: You need more independent sourcing to demonstrate notability. See WP:NCORP. Also, see WP:COI and WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:09, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

"Declined" is less severe than "Rejected." David notMD (talk) 21:31, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Additions/corrections to an article

Hello,

I just made some additions and corrections to an article which are verifiable in the sense that it has been in print and also confirmed by someone who was part of the subject (Sparks). Someone removed my additions claiming it's not verifiable but I would like to get in touch with this person since his information is incorrect. How do I do that? The article concerned is about the band Sparks and the person who removed my corrections is Binksternet.

Thanks in advance,

Angus Honorama Angus Honorama (talk) 17:49, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Angus Honorama: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can go to Binksternet's talk page at User talk:Binksternet or discuss this on the article's talk page at Talk:Sparks (band). In either case, I've pinged them to this discussion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:17, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Responding to the ping: Angus Honorama, I would be interested to know where the fact appeared in print. Your assertion that someone associated with Sparks confirmed it must be WP:Verifiable, published in a reliable source, otherwise we cannot use it on Wikipedia. Binksternet (talk) 18:43, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

The facts that I added about the friendship of Ron Mael and Fred Frank was given to my personally by his ex-wife and former band member Ronna Frank. It was also published on this website: https://montesnewblog.blogspot.com/2014/06/sparks-drummer-project-7-ronna-frank.html

The fact that The Urban Renewal Project had two additional band members have been told to me in person by the Mael brothers and was also printed on a paper from that era that has been published on my website: https://www.fanmael.nl/halfnelson-demo-album. It has also been confirmed by other formed band members like drummer Harley Feinstein, who is a good friend of mine and who has written down these details for me and is also talking about them on a published podcast, which I have available, should you be interested.

Furthermore, I also have several photos of The Urban Renewal Project indicating that there are more members than the four you mentioned on the page. Angus Honorama (talk) 21:39, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Angus Honorama, and welcome to the Teahouse. Many people are surprised that their recollections or information from people involved in a subject are not accepted into a Wikipedia article, but verifiability is a core policy. If information has not been published in a reliable source (one with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking) then it does not belong in any Wikipedia article, period. ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello

I am a fan of the Cyrillic alphabet, and I used to vandalize Wikipedia (as IP), but now I make constructive edits. Cyrillicfan (talk) 21:08, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

...Good? Holduptheredawg (talk) 21:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I am a good user, but how do I delete my account Cyrillicfan (talk) 21:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, you can't. You can get locked out of it, but it will still exist and so will its entire edit log. Holduptheredawg (talk) 21:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Mmmmm. Were you blocked as an IP or just warned? David notMD (talk) 21:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

To clarify, for legal reasons, accounts on Wikipedia cannot be deleted as every edit on the wiki must be attributable to someone. Bsoyka (talk) 23:50, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Difference between Op-ed and News

FYI

 – Moved from top of page Bsoyka (talk) 23:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

What is the difference between Op-ed and news. How can we distinguish between these two, when using them as WPRSKichupila (talk) 10:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Kichupila: Hey there! News is news, an op-ed is an opinion piece. WP:NEWSORG has some information on when the latter may be used. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 23:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Kichupila Welcome to the Teahouse! If you haven't done so already, you might want to read the Wikipedia article Op-ed. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:08, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Looking for help uploading images

Hello I was wondering if you guys could assist me recently I have trying to upload certain logos I know that these items are trademarked or copyrighted(for example: UFC or Rizin) but other articles that are equivalent companies or groups are allowed to have their logo displayed regardless of copyright or trademark but whenever I try to do it it never comes out the proper way and ends up getting deleted. Now I have uploaded some most of which have now been deleted and there are new ones that I would like to add the most important is the PFC Logo(MMA promotion), UFC refers to the Ultimate Fighting Championship, LFA is also a promotion.(what I'm trying to say is the logos for these are displayed on the site even though the images are copyrighted/trademarked, if I can figure out how to upload these images with the proper format then I should be able to upload this PFC image just like the LFA or another MMA promotion: https://www.google.com/search?q=Prospect+fighting+Championships+logo&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj9h4vh6KP2AhXqqXIEHTN2BZ4Q2-cCegQIABAC&oq=Prospect+fighting+Championships+logo&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzoECAAQAzoHCAAQsQMQQzoFCAAQgAQ6BAgAEEM6BggAEAcQHjoECAAQDToECB4QClCyClj_jQFgnpoBaAZwAHgAgAGFAogB4SqSAQYzLjMwLjOYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=in4dYv2aNurTytMPs-yV8Ak&bih=747&biw=412&client=ms-android-rogers-ca-revc&prmd=insv#imgrc=flfeYYupLn0E4M ) for instance the PFC emblem fits the exact same criteria as this promotions logo so I should be able to add it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RizinFF_logo.png#mw-jump-to-license , I also added photos for the Motorcycle Clubs Original Red Devils Motorcycle Club, Kings Crew Motorcycle Club, Iron Order Motorcycle Club and Gate Keepers Motorcycle Club(personal picture but was deleted anyway). Theses are all emblems of influential Motorcycle Clubs, other large clubs like the Hells Angels, Outlaws Motorcycle Club and Bandidos Motorcycle Club, Loners Motorcycle Club. Several of the club's photos I posted are now defunct but examples identical to mine can be found on other articles for other defunct Canadian Motorcycle Clubs like the Rebels Motorcycle Club (Canada) and Grim Reapers Motorcycle Club (Canada). I could post links to photos of these emblems but they are all exactly similar to the examples on the pages(hells angels, Outlaws est.) that I linked above just slightly different in design and letters. W Either way I was hoping to figure out so I can upload the photos for the club's that were removed and add new ones for Bacchus Motorcycle Club(recently tried to upload using all the information that I had to the best of my abilities but was deleted because it was not properly formatted apparently) and the Vendettas Motorcycle Club. For instance all of the photos I have adhere to these rule sets I should be able to add the photos I have listed if this one is on the site for these reasons https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Loners_MC_logo.png#mw-jump-to-license these exact rules apply to the items that I am trying to upload but for some reason I cannot get the pictures to State the same information in the same format, sorry for the paragraph there is no rush also sorry if this all seems a bit congumbled I had to take the information from previous discussions I was having a guy was helping me but he became busy with stuff outside of Wikipedia and could not help so recommended I asked the tea House , I really appreciate itCanadianHistorian(MMA & History) (talk) 07:37, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

also sorry if this all seems a bit congumbled. Congumble is a new word for me but certainly what you've written is congealed and jumbled. Not a bit; a lot. Within your wall of text, I noticed the name "Bacchus Motorcycle Club". File:Emblem of the Bacchus Motorcycle Club.png was deleted from Commons, not because it was "not properly formatted", but instead as a copyright violation. Assume that any image you find on the web is conventionally copyright unless you have very good reason to believe otherwise. (Neither optimism nor "it looks like other stuff I've seen in Wikipedia" is a good reason.) And remember that images that are conventionally copyright may not be uploaded to Commons. Please read and digest Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial. As long as you don't understand copyright matters, do not upload any file to Commons or Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 09:25, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate your reply but the photos that I have listed are valid and once I find someone who is actually willing to help me, you will see as they will be uploaded. And if they cannot be uploaded then I will make sure that other emblems like that of the Hell's Angels and the UFC are removed from the site as they also violate copyright just as these do. I have no problem cracking down in areas once I figure out what's legitimate and what's not. These images are the exact same as the ones allowed on the site and also have similar copyright clauses. If the ones that I have tried to upload are not allowed then neither are the ones that are already on WikipediaCanadianHistorian(MMA & History) (talk) 22:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) The file File:Hells Angels logo.jpg is on the English Wikipedia (not Wikimedia Commons), because it is a non-free logo. You can use the Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard to upload the emblems of other motorcycle clubs as non-free logos to the English Wikipedia. Thanks for your efforts to improve Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 03:05, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you GoingBatty I have been looking for that answer for quite a while now and I appreciate you taking the time to give that information to me. I knew there had to be some reason that we were able to have them on the site. And no problem I am just doing my part thanks again!!!CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) (talk) 03:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

editing my first article. ..as a draft article.. entitled Merry Moor Winnett. I am Photocher. Publish changes? yes or no

 Courtesy link: Draft:Merry Moor Winnett

After today's first session of editing my draft article, am I suppose to "publish changes"? Or will the edits I have made today remain in place.  This is Photocher and my draft article is Merry Moor Winnett. Photocher (talk) 18:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Photocher: Welcome to the Teahouse. To save changes, yes, click Publish changes. It seems you've already submitted the draft for review and received feedback. I strongly suggest reading the links provided in the decline notice. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:59, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Please note that "Publish changes" should be interpreted as "save changes", it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". The button was renamed that way a while ago to remind everyone that (almost) everything on Wikipedia is visible to everyone, if one knows where to look. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:32, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Photocher, both Tenryuu and Victor Schmidt have answered your question; I'd just like to add that I'm happy to see you're continuing to work on this draft (my "decline" comment on which came off as rather more cantankerous than I'd intended; I clarified on your talk page). -- Hoary (talk) 02:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I've tried to make the draft better, including wikifying it by adding the sources, etc. I did remove some sources that didn't seem relevant and some career stuff that made the article look like a resume. Note that one of the major sources (source 4) appears to be written by the article creator. She might be a subject matter expert (taught at colleges, won awards, all that stuff), but I'll let other editors decide. wizzito | say hello! 04:24, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk page archive issue

I need help with my Talk page archive. The Archive is not indexing the archive pages i.e. Archive1, Archive2, etc. Regards- NeverTry4Me - TT Page 04:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@NeverTry4Me: your archives appear out of order (i.e., non-sequential) and i think that's missing up the {{archives}} function. It doesn't detect a User talk:NeverTry4Me/Archive 2 so it "stops" at the previous one, User talk:NeverTry4Me/Archive 1. If you were to move User talk:NeverTry4Me/Archive 100, User talk:NeverTry4Me/Archive 27, and the rest to a sequential order 2, 3, ... then it should would provided you set |counter= to the last in the sequence. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:33, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@EvergreenFir please assist me how to use the code for automatic archive indexing. Regards- NeverTry4Me - TT Page 04:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

It'll need to wait until tomorrow but I'll help you out. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:44, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@EvergreenFir can you please correct the code in my talk page? Regards- NeverTry4Me - TT Page 04:48, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Lack of soucres

Hello, I am working on an article of a puzzle-platformer, but each time I search it the first thing I get are links to play the game, then links to play the game from some websites, and then also articles that are not related to the platformer. If I do not find that, instead I find an user-generated review from non-reliable sources. A shame, I want to publish the article. ( I am aware that one can make drafts, however it says it takes months to actually publish) Oixyplanet (talk) 05:10, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Oixyplanet. An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes what reliable, independent sources say about the topic. The coverage must be significant. If you cannot find sources that provide such coverage, then it is simply not possible to write an acceptable article. Cullen328 (talk) 05:34, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, that is a shame. I will still have the document where I stored the changes. Oixyplanet (talk) 06:29, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Page

How do I get a Wikipedia Page made? Williamjamesbestmi (talk) 06:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Williamjamesbestmi, are you perhaps asking about the advertisement for yourself that you've posted on your user page? That doesn't even start to resemble any Wikipedia article, and will not become one. Just forget about Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 08:16, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

See WP:AUTO for why attempts at autobiography attempts at an article (Wikipedia does not have 'pages' about people) almost invariably fail. You are blocked from editing for a week because of your attempts to create/insert content about yourself. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Template creator

Hi, I want to create a template, how do I do it? ~~~Meiwuzhang Meiwuzhang (talk) 10:10, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Meiwuzhang: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can get started at Quick guide to templates. If your template includes parameters, you're going to want to read the main template help page, which is a lot more advanced and complicated. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:18, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Article title help

I created an article last night for the Ronnie McNutt death video case, but on reflection, that title doesn't seem right or precise enough for the subject matter. The case was very similar to the Nikki Catsouras photographs controversy. In cases like these where the incident is not necessarily criminal or legal in nature, what is the most appropriate article title form? The Ronnie McNutt suicide is a highly contentious case and I also don't want to draw any further mockery towards this case than has already occurred in the past, so I'd like to be as respectful as possible with this article. PetSematary182 (talk) 13:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@PetSematary182: You can move it with Special:MovePage/Ronnie McNutt death video case. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 13:44, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the help! PetSematary182 (talk) 13:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)PetSematary182

Wikitia

How do I edit a Wikitia article? Mysky2blue1 (talk) 12:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

hi User:Mysky2blue1! this is the place to ask questions about wikipedia, not wikitia. unfortunately I cannot link you there, but there should be a link there somewhere about editing. 💜  melecie  talk - 12:51, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

What is Wikitia? Mysky2blue1 (talk) 13:00, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

This question seems better suited for the Reference desk. casualdejekyll 13:31, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikitia is just one of many thousands of wikis: user-editable websites. It has no connection with Wikipedia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mysky2blue1 and Shantavira: It charges per edit. It claims it is written by "proffesionals", "unlike Wikipedia", but most Wikitia articles are straight Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V of Wikipedia articles. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 13:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Some Advice

Hi,so the Draft: Priyanka Choudhary is recently declined by reviewer and he has left a comment and has suggested to take some advice from here.so can anyone advice me in improving the draft.Now the subject matter of article is different from other two AFDs. Plus also tell me where to disclose that i am not being paid to write this article thanks Akb bhatia (talk) 13:00, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Akb bhatia: please see the deletion discussion for the article in question. It was closed as delete just over a month ago, and it doesn't appear that they have had any more major roles since then. Multiple reviewers have left comments saying this. If you can find more references showing that they now meet WP:NACTOR it may be accepted, but as the deletion discussion was closed only a short time ago I doubt that will be the case.

As for the conflict of interest, either leave a comment on the draft or on your userpage saying that you don't have a COI. >>> Ingenuity.talk(); 14:05, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:IT Guild of Ukraine

Hi, I want to confirm that the 'reliable souces' issue in my article means that I have too many references to the IT Guild news web pages and their Social-channels news references as a confirmation of my statements? if yes, can I use them in cases when I want to describe a point of view of IT-Guild or its official reaction to some events in the past? In this case, I will be describing its reaction\opinion and I do not show it as a 'truthful statement' Also, will the removal of such kinds of references and adding some other external "news" articles will help to solve the problem? will this approach work? Regards,

Kateryna mayer (talk) 10:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Kateryna mayer Hello. Please only use one method of seeking assistance at a time, to avoid duplication of effort. You asked this at the AFC help desk. 331dot (talk) 10:50, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

oh, okay. I did not see that only one option must be selected. I am sorry. Kateryna mayer (talk) 10:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Yu have more than a dozen hyperlinks in the article. All those need to be removed. (Maybe some could become references?). David notMD (talk) 12:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

More specifically, they are external links, which shouldn't be in the body of an article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:24, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Having external links in the body text is a problem that you must fix; but I think it's a minor one compared with the impossibility of associating any assertion in the current draft with one or more references for it. In principle, you don't have to do this (for the most part); but the opening paragraph currently has a link to a web page that invites donations, the draft attributes various accomplishments to the Guild, and for other reasons too this draft is likely to arouse suspicions among reviewers. So you should adopt the pattern "assertion, reference for it; assertion, reference for it; assertion, reference for it" (etc). (You'll see this done in many articles, for example, the article on Kharkiv.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:57, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Kateryna mayer Welcome to the Teahouse! Please also read Wikipedia:External links, which states "External links normally should not be placed in the body of an article" (which others have pointed out) and also has a section on "Links normally to be avoided", such as social media sites. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Duplicate external links

I could've sworn there was a guideline or policy allowing the use of an external link in both the infobox and the external links section. For instance, I might include the official website of a piece of media such as Adulting (podcast) in both the infobox and the external links section. Is there such a guideline or policy? Is it not the standard convention to do this? TipsyElephant (talk) 15:36, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I can't find a statement allowing this, TipsyElephant. WP:ELMIN implies that there should not be links in both places, but is not explicit (it could be read as limiting the number of distinct links, as opposed to saying anything about duplicating a link). ColinFine (talk) 15:50, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I almost always see links in both infoboxes and external links sections. For some prominent examples, see Google, Apple Inc., and Facebook. Bsoyka (talk) 16:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Source length

How do sources work? Do they take 1 or 2 sentences behind it or everything that did not have source behind them? Oixyplanet (talk) 16:21, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Oixyplanet, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I’m sorry could you expatiate on what you mean by source length? Are you having trouble citing sources or are you asking about how long a source has to be before it can describe as siginficant coverage? I’m afraid your question is a little bit nebulous making comprehension a little difficult, can you Please see WP:CITE, WP:REFB & WP:RS? Perhaps the answer you seek is somewhere there? Please keep asking us questions until you are satisfied. Celestina007 (talk) 16:31, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Oixyplanet, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure, but I think you're asking about what the scope is of a citation - how many sentences will be supported by a single citation. If that's your question, then the answer depends. If there is a paragraph of three or four sentences, and a source is cited at the end of the paragraph which actually supports all the claims in the paragraph, then that is enough: it's not necessary to repeat the citation several times in the paragraph. On the other hand, if there are some statements in the paragraph which that source does not verify, then there need to be other citations at the ends of the sentences (or clauses, sometimes) which express the claimed information. ColinFine (talk) 16:53, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Oixyplanet, maintaining the relationship between material and sources is discussed at Wikipedia:Citing sources#Text–source integrity. If an entire paragraph is based on material from one source the reference goes at the end of the paragraph, though older recommendations were that after the first sentence was the place. After that it gets tricky, as more information is added, to keep the relationship of material to reference clear. If you are adding a sentence with a reference at the end of a paragraph that has no sources, you can put {{citation needed}} before the new sentence to make that clear. If you add material in the middle of the paragraph, then citations may need to be duplicated on each side of the added material. In many cases, if the references are clearly titled, it may be enough to put all the references for a paragraph at the end. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:13, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Dead Link

I am cleaning up pages for Wikipedia:WikiProject Football and FC Barcelona#Rivalry with A.C. Milan has a dead link (#196). This statement is linked to three other references, so the dead link is redundant. FC Barcelona is a semi-protected page and stated only admin can edit the page. How do I get help with removing the dead link? Demt1298 (talk) 17:18, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Demt1298

First of all, semi-protected pages can be edited by more than just admins. According to the policy, Semi-protected pages cannot be edited by unregistered users (IP addresses), as well as accounts that are not autoconfirmed (accounts that are at least four days old and have made at least ten edits to Wikipedia) or confirmed. There are pages where only admins and WMF staff/employees can edit them, they are called "fully protected" pages. The main page is one example.

Regarding the dead link, I did find a archived copy at the Wayback machine, and I added it in. For more info about dead links, see WP:LINKROT and Help:Archiving_a_source. If you still want to remove that particular reference, you can just remove the ref tag with the link you want to remove. Rlink2 (talk) 17:24, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the information and assistance. I appreciated learning new things with each day I do this! Demt1298 (talk) 17:32, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Music source

Is Complex.com from Complex Networks a website, a magazine, or a news source? I'm trying to figure out what cite template should be used when using this source in articles. Using google to check it gives nothing, so I'd appreciate an answer here. Thank you! rogueshanghai^{chat (they/them)} 18:23, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@RogueShanghai

Personally I would use cite magazine, I think its the right choice given how its a magazine with a web presence. I think cite web is more for websites that dont fit the other categories. When in doubt, just use Cite web. Rlink2 (talk) 18:32, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Need help altering an image

Greetings. I am working on getting Piano Concerto No. 2 (Rachmaninoff) to featured status, and apart from text, images are of course important for the reader. If there is someone competent in image editing, I would greatly appreciate your help. My question is if someone can removed the penned writings in the score (top left and lower center). Thank you - Wretchskull (talk) 18:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Wretchskull, the best place to ask is Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab. (If you don't find someone there who can help you, post a request on my talk page – I could do it myself, though others are probably more skilled than me.) Maproom (talk) 19:06, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Wretchskull (talk) 19:09, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

The Beginning After the End

Greetings. I write you to ask for help to expand the draft of The Beginning After the End. I must admit it is a popular web-novel and web-comic in sites like Tapas, but for what I saw, it is still barely recognized in the web. Therefore, I need help from people who know more this series than I do. Most at all, the draft needs more sources that can confirm it. You can visit the official wiki for more possible sources. Thank you so much for reading. Sincerely, Fico. Fico Puricelli (talk) 19:26, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

What's needed is not sources to "confirm" it, but reliable independent sources that discuss it. My own Google search found none. Maproom (talk) 19:40, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia donors public?

Where can I see the biggest donors of wikipedia? Alexander.enchevich (talk) 19:33, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Alexander.enchevich: The Wikimedia Foundation publishes a report; the latest one is from 2020. Bsoyka (talk) 20:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

GA reviewer that does not know what they are doing

Hey so a GA reviewer took up my nomination for an article that I worked on, and is outright supporting the nomination without looking at anything or giving any critical feedback. I can tell that the reviewer is very inexperienced, and I don't really know what I should do. I've tried telling him how to do the review and directed him to the GA instructions, but they haven't seemed to have looked at that. Should I withdraw the nomination and try again? Or is there something else I should do. NSNW (talk) 02:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

courtesy pinging GA reviewer SteelerFan1933 💜  melecie  talk - 02:28, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@NSNW: This could be just a case of a new (or newish) editor who means well, but just quite doesn't have the experience needed to carry out a proper GA review. Pinging them to this discussion probably isn't going to help you resolve the issue you're having given that you already seem to have tried discussing things with them. Perhaps you should seek assistance at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations and see whether someone with more experience and more familiar with Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions#Reviewing would be willing to take over the review. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:55, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Two experienced GA reviewers have advised SteelerFan1993 that the cursory evaluation of Talk:Julio Jones was not a valid review. One put it on Hold. At this point, SteelerFan1993 can either conduct a more extensive review, per GA guidelines, or withdraw. There is ALWAYS something that needs fixing in a GA review. My nominations have taken 20-50 edits to resolve requests made by the reviewers. If second evaluation is still not adequate, ask for a third person to step in. I apprciate that you are asking for more work to do on improving the article rather than accepting a fast pass. On my last, it was GA review lite, and then when I submitted a "Did You Know" the DYK reviewer raised a half-dozen objections to the article even though the DYK itself was accepted. David notMD (talk) 09:43, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I will wait to see if steelersfan1993 will properly review it, if that doesn't work I can try and find another reviewer. NSNW (talk) 11:56, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah it's me. It's my first GA nomination so i'm very inexperienced and honestly I only took up the nomination because nobody else was going to. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 15:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

And yes I'll withdraw the review if you think I cannot do it yet. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 15:42, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

GA review process reversed, and Julio Jones back on the waiting list in same chronological spot (Jan 22nd) in Sports and Recreation. David notMD (talk) 21:33, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Template:URL

Is the usage of Template:URL generally recommended in WP, especially in infobox? for example, is {{URL|example.com}} better than example.com ? If yes, do we have policy/guideline/how to/essays on this matters? Thank you. Ckfasdf (talk) 20:57, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ckfasdf: I'm not sure if we have any formal guidance on it beyond infobox documentation, but I'd say yes, it's best to use it. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:27, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sdkb: If infobox documentation didn't explicitly mentioned it, such as on Template:Infobox military unit, is it still apply? Ckfasdf (talk) 21:32, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ckfasdf, Template:Infobox military unit/doc#Microformat says "Use {{URL}} for an organisation's URL." and "Please do not remove instances of these subtemplates." Since so many infoxes suggest using it, why not use it? Are you having a particular problem with it? StarryGrandma (talk) 22:25, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@StarryGrandma: I am not having any problem, but other editor do... So I ask here for clarification. Thank you to point it out. Ckfasdf (talk) 22:43, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Has page been deleted? Martyn Iles

Hi I was wondering if the page for Martyn Iles has been deleted. He is the CEO of the Australian Christian Lobby. Thanks Akendrick451 (talk) 03:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Akendrick451 Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, the Martyn Iles article was deleted - see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martyn_Iles&action=edit&redlink=1 for more info, and a link to a draft that you might be interested in improving. GoingBatty (talk) 03:19, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

When I go to the link you posted I see a standard page to edit a new document and no information on the previous page or why it was deleted. And clicking on the draft link also shows a blank slate. How can I get more information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akendrick451 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Akendrick451 See:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Martyn_Iles - Hopefully you can see it and understand the issue. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 22:43, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Akendrick451 When I click on https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martyn_Iles&action=edit&redlink=1 I see two pink boxes. The top box says "There is a draft for this article at Draft:Martyn Iles." The lower box says "A page with this title has previously been moved or deleted....07:45, May 26, 2020 Nick-D talk contribs deleted page Martyn Iles (G5: Creation by a blocked or banned user in violation of block or ban)". GoingBatty (talk) 03:24, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Need help on my draft

 Courtesy link: Draft:Nalinthip Sakulongumpai

My draft was declined.i need help on finding reliable sources.Please someone help me Publiconline123 (talk) 13:45, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Publiconline123 Welcome to the Teahouse! The editors at WP:WikiProject Thailand might be able to provide some assistance. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:18, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Publiconline123 (talk) 04:30, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Search all wikipedia for a specific error, typo, grammatical fix etc.

I spend a lot of time hunting down little things and fixing them, I suppose that is what makes me a "gnome." However, I am sure there MUST be a better way that how I do it manually and laboriously. In particular right now, I am searching for any time that there is a hyphen between a range of dates, and there SHOULD be an en dash (–) vs (-). This is a tiny little fix, and I have corrected for it thousands of times, but I was curious if there was a way that I could SEARCH for ALL instances of a format like the following, YYYY (4 digit year) with a hyphen in between (-) followed by another YYYY (4 digit year).

Another thing I regularly fix is when "circa" is spelled out, I change it to "c." which is the approved/preferred way to say "circa" on the encyclopedia per the MOS. If I could search out all instances of the word "circa", then I could parse through them and correct all where appropriate. That might be easier? ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 18:39, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Thanks for working to improve Wikipedia. I think you may want the AWB tool. See WP:TYPO for resources on finding and fixing typos, including links to AWB and some useful plug-ins for it. RudolfRed (talk) 19:20, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Not to diminish your work, but leaving "circa" could actually be helpful because :

a) the English wikipedia has the richest topics base and hence is often read by people for whom english is not a first language. I am one of them. I am familiar (audially) with the usage of the Latin "circa" in English, but not with the abbreviated "c." so it could be difficult for some readers to infer the meaning of this abbreviation from the context.

b) even the wikipedia article on Circa has not total consensus on how exactly it should be abbreviated - "c" or "ca" Alexander.enchevich (talk) 19:42, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll say if I see anyone abbreviating "circa", I would revert it. Clarity is important, and "c." is not meaningful to most readers. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:39, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

That should be taken up with a new consensus if you were to do that, I'd revert the revert and be supported by the MOS see this MOS on "c." preference over "circa". ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 21:40, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

There is the {{circa}} template that generates c. with a tooltip on hover. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:49, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tenryuu 🐲 So that's the proper solution then - satisfying both form and content :) Alexander.enchevich (talk) 06:04, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Can someone help me with RtL source title???

I'm currently translating the article about Moran Rosenblatt, and one of the sources is "אור ירוק ל'אודם'?". Retrieved 25 March 2022. The punctuation marks are in the wrong spots. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 13:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: Is "?'אור ירוק ל'אודם". how you want it to display? Deor (talk) 15:22, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Deor: Yes!!! QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 06:08, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Los Angeles city population

In the Los Angeles article, under the population section the correct population estimation within city limits is incorrectly labeled "Urban", and I tried to replace it with city but the entire format messes up, so I do not know what to do.

Hgh1985 (talk) Hgh1985 (talk) 07:52, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

NEVERMIND, I FIXED IT! Hgh1985 (talk) 07:58, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Can i put a badge of Registered Editor on my user page?

Hi people, Actually i've more that one edit and have given more than one day of service so am i eligible to put a Registered Editor service badge on my user page if yes then how ? Divyanshu Tejwani (talk) 08:46, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes! Just copy {{Registered Editor}} to your user page. For more information see Wikipedia:Service awards.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:02, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your speedy reply.... Divyanshu Tejwani (talk) 09:07, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Help making a redirect

I want to make Miguel de la Cruz redirect to Michael Cross (painter). Can someone please help me do that? Ficaia (talk) 08:59, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Ficaia refer to Wikipedia:Redirect . this may help you out Divyanshu Tejwani (talk) 09:25, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I recently added a good article

Hi people, actually I want to know how to list a good article please help. Divyanshu Tejwani (talk) 10:50, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

It appears that you recently 'approved' Amir Sjarifuddin Harahap to be a Good Article without having actually conducted a proper review of the Good Article nomination. This is the reason what you did was reversed. I suggest you not attempt another GA review until you have more experience understanding the process. Most editors do not do GA reviews unless they have experience nominating an article for GA and succeeding. David notMD (talk) 12:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

What kind of tea do you serve?

Yea, Raspberry 174.83.106.247 (talk) 09:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! I like to think we serve serenitea. do you have any questions regarding Wikipedia? 💜  melecie  talk - 12:59, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia deletion reversal

My Wikipedia page was deleted, how do I take steps to have it reinstated? 72.142.92.203 (talk) 22:16, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

You may be able to ask at WP:REFUND but it will depend on the reason for deletion. RudolfRed (talk) 22:50, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll try this and update the group here. 72.142.92.203 (talk) 02:01, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

What page are you referring to??? See WP:OWN and WP:DP for some possibly useful articles. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 22:52, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ared_Arzumanian is the page I am referring to. Thank you. 72.142.92.203 (talk) 02:02, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

It was deleted because you do not appear notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ared Arzumanian for details. Bsoyka (talk) 02:05, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I was notable enough for two decades of inclusion - what triggered this changed in the rules? 72.142.92.203 (talk) 05:11, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

By "my Wikipedia page" do you mean an article about you? 331dot (talk) 23:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it is about me - the page for reference is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ared_Arzumanian - thank you. 72.142.92.203 (talk) 02:02, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I have taken a look at the article and it looks like the nominators/voters were right: there is not enough sources to establish notability. Usually, listings and directories such as Discogs are not enough to establish notability.

The copy of the article is at everywiki https://ghostarchive.org/archive/OwvwL, if for some reason you just wanted to have a copy of it. I don't see it ever returning on Wikipedia though unless more reliable sources can be found. Rlink2 (talk) 02:19, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I was notable enough for two decades of inclusion - what is the criteria to establish notability and where can I reference it? Whatever it may be, I can establish it, but if there is no written an clear criteria, then the nominators/voters have no basis to change its status now after 20 years. 72.142.92.203 (talk) 05:16, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Inclusion does not indicate notability at all. You definitely cannot establish notability for yourself; notability is established by coverage in independent reliable sources. There are also actually very clear written criteria at WP:N and WP:RS. Bsoyka (talk) 05:22, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Proof is already established from reliable 3rd party sources, like national charts, national radio play, releases, awards I have won or been nominated for, in addition to other criteria - it just has to be properly cited and referenced. Who does that in the article, do I need an administrator to sponsor it? 72.142.92.203 (talk) 05:33, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I've notified the administrator who closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ared Arzumanian and deleted the article about this discussion. Perhaps, they will respond; so, please be patient. One thing, however, is that nobody here has any way of verifying who you are; so, if you're willing to create an WP:ACCOUNT and have your identity verified by WP:VRT, it might clarify things a bit and make it easier for others to try and help you. You don't need to do this if you don't want to, but your IP address is actually less anonymous that a registered account tends to be. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:49, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I have no issue to do this, but I received comments from an administrator below your comments so will address those first, thank you. 72.142.92.203 (talk) 06:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Proof is already established from reliable 3rd party sources The article was completely unsourced. Discogs listings are not enough to establish notability. Rlink2 (talk) 13:02, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I am an administrator and could therefore read the deleted article. It contained unacceptable non-neutral language like a taste of his first success and received a flurry of attention from DJs and radio stations across Canada and was on heavy rotation and yielding the immediate attention of several record companies and also garnered national acclaim in Poland and was released internationally across several territories worldwide and aired heavily on Armenian national radio. None of those assertions were referenced to coverage in independent, reliable sources and none of them were neutral in any way. None of this garbage belongs in a neutral, well referenced encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 05:59, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I understand, but what do you suggest/recommend? I am willing to put in the work to have the article revised to make it neutral and well-referenced, and elevate its language to fit. What is the best way for me to have the article reinstated so that it accurately reflects the chronology of events, releases, discography, awards etc - what is the process? 72.142.92.203 (talk) 06:35, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

My suggestion is that you go on with your life and career and not worry about this. There are good reasons to not want a Wikipedia article about yourself. While not forbidden, it is highly discouraged for people to write about themselves here, please read the autobiography policy. To succeed in writing about yourself, you would need to set aside everything that you know about yourself and only write based on the content of independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to write about you, with significant coverage. Most people have great difficulty in doing this about themselves, even if it is technically possible. I've never seen it happen, though it probably has. Appropriate sources does not include mere mentions of you in sources or a list of your body of work. If you just want to tell the world about yourself and your work, you should use social media or a personal website. 331dot (talk) 09:16, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I think you are making the common, but totally wrong, assumption that a Wikipedia article is in some way for the benefit of its subject. It is not. Of course, many people and organisations do get some benefit from Wikipedia having an article about them - and some, on the contrary, are very unhappy that there is an article about them. Either way round, Wikipedia does not care. If there are sufficient reliable independent sources to establish notability, then there can be an article, whether the subject likes it or not. If there are not, then there should be an article (even if there was a deficient article for ten years previously). ColinFine (talk) 09:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me of this, Marchjuly. I have very little to add to what Cullen and 331dot say above. Nobody in the deletion discussion, or in many years of the article's existence, had found sufficient evidence of notability. Also, while the article existed for a while, a lack of notability had been flagged long before it was deleted. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:37, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

American or British spellings?

I notice that Wikipedia uses both American and British spellings, depending, no doubt, on who is editing it. That's fine with me, but it seems a bit extreme for an editor to change another editor's work from one to the other. The most recent edit of Titian changed "favoring" to "favouring" and "center" to "centre." Does Wikipedia have a policy about this? Maurice Magnus (talk) 08:39, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, WP:ENGVAR. Basically, an article should be written in the local flavour of English based on where its subject originates (be that American, British, Commonwealth, Australian, Indian, or whatever else), and it should be consistent within the article itself. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 08:45, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Titian originates in Italy, of course. So I guess either spelling (or the other varieties you cite) is acceptable if it's consistent within the article. Maurice Magnus (talk) 09:26, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Correct, and it shouldn't be changed wholesale from one variant to the other. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 09:28, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I reverted that most recent set of spelling changes, but do note that throughout, in text and image captions, "colour" is used instead of "color." I leave it to someone else to decide. David notMD (talk) 10:13, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I see a difficulty with the policy that "an article should be written in the local flavour of English based on where its subject originates." I am an American with an interest in British history. I know some of the spelling differences, such as "flavour" for "flavor" in the phrase I just quoted. But I am likely to be unaware of others, and, in any case, I'm likely to type in the language I know. To adhere to the policy, therefore, after I post my edit, a person from England would have to change my spelling. As a practical matter, I think that we'll have to live with inconsistencies.Maurice Magnus (talk) 16:58, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Help in article creation!

Hello People at teahouse, Actually today while exploring internet i found a social media app which deserves a wikipedia page I decided to do the same and started thinking of content but was unable to think also don't know that the references which i will use for the page will be valid or not can anyone check and tell me that is the entity eligible for a wikipedia page i'm totally new at this that's why asking for help the app name is Heylol Divyanshu Tejwani (talk) 13:24, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@Divyanshu Tejwani

In order for an page to be eligeble for a Wikipedia article, it needs to meet the WP:GNG guidelines among others. Additional guidelines may apply for the type of article you want to write but usually it needs reliable sources. Rlink2 (talk) 13:35, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Divyanshu, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you must have misunderstood what Wikipedia means by notability, because until you have found the references you cannot possibly know whether or not the subject "deserves a Wikipedia page": notability depends almost entirely on suitable sources, and until you look for them you cannot know that it is notable.

I also suggest that you banish the phrase "deserves a Wikipedia page" from your vocabulary, because it suggests that a Wikipedia article either belongs to, or is for the benefit of, its subject. Neither of these is true. I recommend "meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability" instead. ColinFine (talk) 16:28, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Reliable source references are considered the foundation upon which an article rests. Do not start drafting an article unless you can first identify references. Teahouse hosts are here to advise of Wikipedia procedures and guidelines, but not to do your research for you nor be a co-author. David notMD (talk) 17:30, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm writing an article currently in Draft: Pandascrow.io but declined severally, need help!!!

This is the message I get from KylieTastic (talk). "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article", I wish I could get a collaboration assistance or better yet a better pointer, not a blatant rejection, It's frustrating but I'm willing to learn and improve and put in the world needed to get it right, I need help. Prezine (talk) 19:14, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@Prezine: Have you tried reading the policies and guidelines linked in the decline reason? They're quite informative, and I also recommend reading through WP:NOTPROMO. Bsoyka (talk) 19:20, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Prezine. Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. As far as I can see, not a single one of your sources meets that requirement. If you cannot find such sources then your company does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for NCORP and no article about it will be accepted no matter how it is written. ColinFine (talk) 19:45, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

And S0091 has just rejected it, meaning that they have looked for sources and not been able to find enough to establish notability. Any more time and effort you spend on this draft is likely to be wasted, Prezine. ColinFine (talk) 20:11, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Need help in fixing a break in citation

Can someone please take a look at Battle of Sadhaura article and help in fixing the break error in one of the source? I tried but not sure what is the cause. Thanks. MehmoodS (talk) 19:17, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@MehmoodS, I replaced the invisible illegal space character in the reference, following the error message which said no-break space character in publisher= at position 8 (help). Position 8 after "publisher=" was the problem. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:44, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@StarryGrandma Thank you. Appreciate the help.MehmoodS (talk) 20:47, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Is this the place for high tea?

It is Doullens Day. Read all about how the war war won: [Link]

Lord Milner (talk) 18:16, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@Lord Milner: This is the place for asking questions about editing Wikipedia — do you have one of those? Bsoyka (talk) 18:54, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll try.... 🙂 Lord Milner (talk) 22:22, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Apparent gibberish

DaDS ol Can DO DENS 24.184.76.209 (talk) 22:38, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello @24.184.76.209 and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Helen(💬📖) 00:09, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Table Problem

Can somebody please help me fix the Electoral history table on the page Eric Adams. I can't seem to get it. Thank you. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 21:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I think I cleaned it up correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Txguy (talk • contribs) 00:43, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I remove a link from a listed person in a sub-category

O'Driscoll (surname) In the sub-category "List of people" I added Bridget Driscoll (1885-1976), Titanic survivor. I added it above a previously listed Bridget Driscoll (died 1896), early British automobile accident victim. Clicking on that listed person redirected to her bio page. Unfortunately, the Bridget - Titanic survivor which I added redirects to the other Bridget Driscoll's bio page. How do I separate her name from the other's link? LJCanuck (talk) 04:18, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

hi LJCanuck and welcome to the teahouse! you would link to the page name of the relevant page. so for example, instead of linking to James Joyce for the australian athlete, you would link to James Joyce (athlete) since the former redirects to the irish poet. however, I couldn't find any other Bridget Driscolls from a quick search. they may not have an article yet, and if so you might not want to link yet as you cannot link to non-notable people. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:50, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Why usually blocked IP for 31 hours instead of 48 hours

I'm not quite sure why an IP, when being blocked, usually blocked for 31 hours (1 day and 7 hour) instead of 48 hours (which is two days). Pavlov2 (talk) 06:32, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Pavlov2 and welcome to the teahouse! according to archived thread "Block length of 31 hours?", it's to prevent people from disrupting immediately after a day, since people who edit on a schedule per day may skip the block entirely and disrupt again immediately after 24 hours on the next day. those on the above archived thread could probably explain it better though. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 06:43, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Pavlov2 (talk) 06:54, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Concerns about the David Duke page.

Whomever wrote the David Duke page seriously had some glaring errors in the elections. There's also a subtle bias there painting Duke as more flattering but wrong. For instance, the U.S. Senate (1990) states he's the only Republican and three Democrats. Then it contradicts and says Ben Bagert was nominated. Then it tries to infer Bagert was pushed out by the party. In the Governor 1991, it implies Roemer was squeezed only by Duke and ignores the effect of Clyde Holloway, who was the official endorsed GOP candidate. I think the whole page deserves and auditing and realism given to it. Acpritt (talk) 14:43, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Acpritt: The talk page for David Duke would probably be a better place to discuss these issues. --The Tips of Apmh 14:49, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I am still learning. Always welcome to new tips. So I added my concerns there. Thank you, Apmh. Acpritt (talk) 09:00, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Userboxes

hello! I am new here! Just wondering where I can find the user boxes :) Victransport official (talk) 10:54, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Victransport official, and welcome to the Teahouse. See WP:Userboxes.

On another subject: you almost certainly need to change your username. Usernames that suggest that the user is editing on behalf of an organisation are forbidden (see ORGNAME). It is probably easiest to abandon that user account, and create a new one which is personal to you ("Fred at VicTransport" would be acceptable. You do not have to use your real name; but it must be your personal account, not used by anybody else or with a name that suggests that it might be). Also, since you have used the "Victransport official" name, it is imperative that you read about editing with a conflict of interest, and probably also about paid editing (the latter may apply even if you are an unpaid intern or volunteer). . ColinFine (talk) 11:16, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Aashay Mishra

Daniel Sir had previously deleted Aashay Mishra as per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aashay Mishra where it is said that Mishra was not WP:N. But right now, Mishra has already done two lead roles in Star Bharat's Pyaar Ke Papad and Sony TV's Story 9 Months Ki. Plus, he is also one of the leads in his current show Shubh Laabh - Aapkey Ghar Mein, so I want to create a WP:BLP for him. I posted a message regarding the same on Daniel Sir's talk page two days back but did receive any reply. It seems he is not active in Wikipedia since 20th Jan 2022. So whom should I ask now in order to create Aashay Mishra? Commonedits (talk) 10:44, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Commonedits, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unless you have a track record of successfully creating several articles, I would always advise you to use the Articles for creation process, even if there was not a previously deleted article on the subject. If you are confident that Mishra now meets NACTOR or NBIO, and you have the references to show this, then please use AFC and create a draft. You might choose to tell the deleting administrator as a courtesy, but you are not required to, and since Daniel has been inactive for three years, there doesn't seem to be any point. ColinFine (talk) 11:09, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

ColinFine Ok, my account doesn't have a track record because I recently joined as an account but myself as a wikipedian, I do have a track record of successfully creating articles. Anyhow thank you so much 😘😘🙏.Commonedits (talk) 11:26, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Archiving source problem

I archived two sources (the 2nd and the last ref) in the All of Us Are Dead article, but there seems to be something wrong with what I did. I used WayBack Machine, and the url archive source is the url I put in the two citaions. But when I click on the archive link, I go to the main page itself, not the archive page. —Ctrlwiki (talk) 03:00, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

You did it properly, from what I can see

But when I click on the archive link, I go to the main page itself, not the archive page. If you want the citation to display the archive link first you need to change url-status=live to url-status=dead.

@Ctrlwiki Rlink2 (talk) 03:06, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rlink2: I put url-status=live (not dead) and it worked, did I do it right? —Ctrlwiki (talk) 03:09, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

If the link is still live (which it looks like it), then url-status=live is needed. So yes, you did it right ;)

@Ctrlwiki Rlink2 (talk) 03:15, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rlink2: Additional questions. When I go to the WayBack Machine, I go to the bottom of it, to the Save this page location, and I entered the link I wanted to archive. Is this right? —Ctrlwiki (talk) 03:19, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ctrlwiki Yes, if you want to make a new archive of the page. If you want to look for old versions of a link you'll have to look through the history. Rlink2 (talk) 03:31, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rlink2: Last question, when I archive one link multiple times, what happens? Do I get also multiple archive links? —Ctrlwiki (talk) 03:42, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, there are multiple copies/links, but you should generally only need to add one to a reference here on Wikipedia. Bsoyka (talk) 03:58, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I know if a page already has an archive page? —Ctrlwiki (talk) 04:07, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

You can go to https://web.archive.org/*/ followed by any URL and you can browse archives for that page. Bsoyka (talk) 04:21, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rlink2 and Bsoyka: Thanks, is there a way to speed up the archiving of the source on a page, for the whole page where most of the source is not archived. —Ctrlwiki (talk) 08:16, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ctrlwiki try Internet Archive Bot: you can find it by clicking "fix dead links" in the view history tab Rlink2 (talk) 12:34, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Sources

Can you explain to me the exact difference between primary sources, secondary sources, and third/secondary-independent sources? And also give simple examples of them. I've probably read the links that you might ask me to read, but I just want a simple explanation for this, for the articles I plan to write. —Ctrlwiki (talk) 10:27, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

NOTE: This appears to be an experienced editor (thousands of edits) who is now intending a new effort - article creation. David notMD (talk) 10:31, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Experienced or not, we still have the right to ask, especially if the user does not understand the explanations written on Wikipedia help pages. I have already created articles on Wikipedia that have mostly been deleted due to lack of secondary-indepent sources.—Ctrlwiki (talk) 12:08, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Please see WP:PSTS. That looks fairly simple to me but if you have further questions feel free to ask.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:42, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

My note was to make clear that Ctrkwiki has been here a while, and deserved more than an answer appropriate for a new editor. My apologies if it was misconstrued. David notMD (talk) 21:29, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Ctrlwiki, here my simple attempt at explaining

Primary- Citing the Declaration of Independence directly. (Interviews almost always fall into this category, but if significant independent commentary then parts could be secondary)

Secondary- someone else read the Declaration of Independence and wrote about it with said scholar, author or journalist publishing in a reputable source with editorial control or being distinguished enough on their own to merit acceptance as a reliable source.

Tertiary- The Encyclopedia of Brittanica article on the Declaration of Independence.

Hope this helps a bit. If there's specific source you are unsure about then WP:TEA, WP:HD or WP:RSN can help categorize them.Slywriter (talk) 03:59, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

that's interesting. I actually did not know that either. --Sm8900 (talk) 12:50, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

When I press a grave accent a line of code is generated

Dear all, I am an editor at the Catalan Wikipedia. We have been talking about a problem in the visual editor, but we haven't found any solution for the moment. The case is that when I press the grave accent key ( ` ) in a Spanish keyboard, a <code> is generated, which implies that the text I write next happens to be a line of code. This usually happens when the key is pressed twice, but a few users have it when they press only once, which becomes a problem while writing since Catalan has many words with a grave accent. This is how it looks like:

Això és un missatge per mostrar el problema, gracies.

Thank you very much for your time. Sjoel (talk) 12:08, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Sjoel, to the extent en-wiki may be able to help, WP:VPT would be better place to ask question as more technical users tend to hang around there.Slywriter (talk) 15:24, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Adopt-a-Typo

I must be doing something wrong! I want to look for second-person POV in articles so I can edit them to third-person neutral. I ran across one article about BMX racing that had several sections written this way and I really enjoyed fixing them. This was the section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMX_racing#International_sanctioning_bodies

I created a special search for you/your/yourself, but all that gave me are TONS of pages about TV shows, plays, games, and song titles with you/your/yourself in them. I changed that to you have/you had/you must/you can, and that's still not right.

1. The phrase "you have" is split in many of the search results. Can I put quotes around it so it won't break? 2. Is there any way to focus the search on the article text, not the title? (I still get TV/plays/game/song titles in the first 500 entries.) 3. Does anybody have a better way of doing this? Or can't it be done?

Thanks a lot for any suggestions!! --Susan.Uttendorfsky (talk) 13:17, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@Susan.Uttendorfsky

1. The phrase "you have" is split in many of the search results. Can I put quotes around it so it won't break? yes

2. 2. Is there any way to focus the search on the article text, not the title? (I still get TV/plays/game/song titles in the first 500 entries.) Add "insource:" before your search query.

3. Does anybody have a better way of doing this? Or can't it be done? Maybe WP:AWB could be helpful. Rlink2 (talk) 13:31, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much!!! Susan.Uttendorfsky (talk) 13:37, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@Susan.Uttendorfsky: If you haven't seen it already, check out WP:TYPO for hints and tips on how to better search for and fix typos. RudolfRed (talk) 17:17, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. I'm bookmarking tons of Wiki help pages, including that one. I'll learn. :) Susan.Uttendorfsky (talk) 21:00, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

You could also try a regex search e.g. insource:/[Yy]ou (have|had|can|must)/ ― Qwerfjkltalk 15:53, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Remove deletion tag?

I was just wondering if it is now acceptable to remove the red "deletion" box that appears on the article Ronnie McNutt death video case; in accordance with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ronnie McNutt (2nd nomination), all recommended changes for the article were made, and a rough consensus to keep the article seems to have been reached, but I don't want to remove the red box myself because I don't know how that procedure works. PetSematary182 (talk) 16:04, 27 March 2022 (UTC)PetSematary182

PetSematary182 Hello and welcome. Deletion discussions typically run a week, it's only been two days. When the discussion is reviewed, if the reviewer assesses the consensus as keep, they will remove the tag. 331dot (talk) 16:10, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

For example, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ronnie McNutt, where a reviewer closed the discussion and archived it (see the blue box). A deletion discussion isn't formally closed until this happens, which, as mentioned, typically takes seven days. Bsoyka (talk) 16:31, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

List of Outdoor Games

All the games played outdoors Bombers23 (talk) 00:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:List of Outdoor games. David notMD (talk) 01:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

No need for this article. Category:Outdoor games already exists.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:22, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation filed against Bombers23 as sock of blocked User:Zaner25. David notMD (talk) 17:51, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Relayball

Relayball https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_hockey also known as foot hockey in most areas https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/44950/20211207/score-let-s-learn-to-play-st-lawrence-county-s-newest-sport-relayball Bombers23 (talk) 02:41, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dombers23: Hey! Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? You've posted two seemingly random things here within two hours, and that's not what the Teahouse is for. Bsoyka (talk) 03:04, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Bombers23 and welcome to the teahouse! do you have a question regarding Foot hockey's article? 💜  melecie  talk - 03:05, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

They replied at my user talk page. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  Courtesy link: User talk:Bsoyka § Relayball Bsoyka (talk) 03:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation filed against Bombers23 as sock of blocked User:Zaner25. David notMD (talk) 17:51, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I updated a Wiki page that has my name on it. is this not permissible?

Herbert Wertheim

Wertheimco (talk) 17:54, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

There is a process outlined under WP:CONFLICT dizzyflamingo (talk) 18:04, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

(assuming you are actually related to Herbert Wertheim and not just coincidentally sharing a name) dizzyflamingo (talk) 18:05, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Short answer: No. You are required to declare your conflict of interest on your User page, and then be limited to requesting changes on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 18:06, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Updating and Correcting information on Herbert Wertheim. updates I inserted were erased. Wertheimco (talk) 17:59, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I'd start by reading WP:CONFLICT dizzyflamingo (talk) 18:03, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

In addition to following procedures under WP:CONFLICT, the edit summary for the reversion mentions that your edits were promotional and unsourced, so reading up on WP:PROMOTION, WP:CITE, and WP:RS may be relevant. dizzyflamingo (talk) 18:08, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

How to handle addition of unsourced material

Hi there, I have been reading up on policies such as WP:VANDAL and WP:RS. However, I am wondering the best way to handle when someone changes a significant fact on an article without sourcing it. For example, someone changes the spouse or birthdate on a biography. In these cases, is it appropriate to undo the edit and ask for a citation, or is there a better way to handle it? dizzyflamingo (talk) 17:43, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons has lots of info. Hope that helps. David notMD (talk) 18:33, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, will review. For clarity though, I was not necessarily referring to only BLP dizzyflamingo (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I cite sources?

And edit I made got removed because I didn’t cute sources but I didn’t know how to cite them.Thanks! Pipsqueak504 (talk) 18:05, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

There's a ton of info under WP:CITE dizzyflamingo (talk) 18:09, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pipsqueak504: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may want to look at Easy referencing for beginners. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject participation?

Hello, I'd like to join a Wikiproject group's discussion and cooperation community. Actually, I am interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball. But I'm not sure where to begin because many Wikiprojects appear to be inactive. How could I communicate with other contributors besides making an edit? Thank you. Polinlc2 (talk) 19:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Polinlc2 Hi there, welcome to the Teahouse. Discussions pertaining to the WikiProjects can be found on their associated talk page— for example, here’s the talk page for WikiProject Baseball. Another possibility is reaching out to other members directly via their user talk pages. Hope this helps get you started! Helen(💬📖) 20:08, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Polinlc2 I would suggest you go to the Baseball WikiProject, go to Quick Links (in the pale orange box), and at Member userbox click on the User WikiProject Baseball link. That will let you know how to add your name to the member list. You will begin to receive notices of various discussions and projects happening within the WikiProject. You can investigate further, and work on anything that interests you, and will be free to do as much or as little work for the Baseball project as you want. If you decide to unjoin the group you just delete your name from the member list.

For a time I became a member of an inactive project group to try and help out, and then when other members joined and started becoming quite active I decided to leave the group. It was easy to join and easy to leave when I decided I wasn't needed. I hope this helps. Karenthewriter (talk) 20:27, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

king tut

i would like to know how to edit semiprotected articles on wiki please Phil1233 (talk) 20:43, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Phil1233: Any autoconfirmed editor, such as yourself, may edit semiprotected pages just like any other page. RudolfRed (talk) 20:52, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Getting comments on requested moves?

I did a move request from Brookings effect to Chetco effect, but nobody has commented. Is there a way to get more comments? KJ7RRV (talk) 21:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

It can help to post a short, neutrally worded notice to one or more relevant wikiprojects. In this case, you might try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather. Here's an example of what such a notice might look like. That said, it's worth noting that there is no minimum participation requirement for RMs. If an RM has been open for a long time without receiving any comments, the default outcome when closing would be to perform the move proposed, as long as the nomination statement has a valid policy-based rationale. Colin M (talk) 22:46, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll do that.

How long is "a long time"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KJ7RRV (talk • contribs) 22:49, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

After 7 days it will fall into the "elapsed listings" section. An editor will probably get to it soon after that (though there may be a longer wait, as there's been a significant backlog of unclosed RMs for some time). If there is no participation at that point, there is a decent chance the editor may, instead of closing it, "relist" it, which sends it back to the top of the queue, giving another 7+ days for participants to chime in. (This can even happen again after that 7 day period has passed, though this is rare). Colin M (talk) 22:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thank you! --KJ7RRV (talk) 23:07, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

How to add locks on various pages

I am an autoconfirmed user an I would like to know how to add semi-protection locks or others on articles. Organic Increse45 (talk) 23:53, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

You can request that an administrator protect a page at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection (with a valid reason for doing so). Bsoyka (talk) 23:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks ( ͡• ͜ʖ ͡•) Organic Increse45 (talk) 23:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Signature

How do you add your signature when on talk pages? And, can you make your own signature? Organic Increse45 (talk) 23:51, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey! I think the Wikipedia:Signatures page has all the information you're looking for. In short, (1) add ~~~~ to the end of your messages, and (2) yes, at Special:Preferences. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 23:53, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks ( ͡• ͜ʖ ͡•) Organic Increse45 (talk) 23:58, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

The creation of the page titled Amelia Anisovych in regards to the 2022 Russian invasion on Ukraine

Hello. Since Amelia Anisovych is a seven year old Ukrainian girl who shocked the world by the Ukrainian national anthem and "Let it Go" of the 2013 version, she could become the very first youngest child figure, there are many news about her, so, I seek you, since I'm serious of this thing, create the page titled "Amelia Anisovych", and set all her events in the Wikipedia page titled "2022"?

Thanks much. Myuniqueworld (talk) 23:45, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, welcome to the Teahouse! This isn't the place to request the creation of an article by someone else; that's more suited for WP:RA. Perhaps try listed your request there, or see H:YFA and try making a draft yourself. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 23:58, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Myuniqueworld, Draft:Amelia Anisovych already exists. It doesn't start to resemble an article and nothing like it can become one. I have no comment on Amelia Anisovych herself: I haven't googled for her. If you can find references to support assertions made about her, add them. Be sure to remove the awestruck tone. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan magazine. -- Hoary (talk) 00:08, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Submissions

 Courtesy link: Draft:Central American Mint, Limited

I have a question. I don't know if this is a new thing or not.

So, I wrote a Wikipedia article. I did my research, I gathered my references, and I wrote the article. Now I want to submit the article. The editing tools on Wikipedia are, to put it mildly, primitive. They are one step above editing HTML source. So, I want to contract someone to submit the article for me. I don't want to spend more than a couple hundred bucks. As soon as I posted my article, which was rejected (which is OK), I was solicited by a company called "Wikipedia Submissions". How these guys are affiliated with Wikipedia is not known. I assume they are not, so their name is misleading. It turns out there are dozens of "Wikipedia Submissions" companies out there, all trolling Wikipedia looking for rookie submissions like mine.

Can anyone refer a trusted Wikipedia freelancer who will submit my article for a reasonable price? Arthur6Morgan (talk) 17:47, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Arthur6Morgan Wikipedia does not endorse any paid editing services; "Wikipedia Submissions" has no official standing with Wikipedia. I don't think too many editors will recommend a paid editing service to you, but they will if they wish to. You might find someone willing to help you for free. 331dot (talk) 17:51, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@Arthur6Morgan: Welcome to the Teahouse. I strongly discourage you from using paid services, as they are not endorsed by Wikipedia (and by extension its parent organisation, the Wikimedia Organization). Even if your draft were to be accepted, there's no guarantee that it won't end up in an article for deletion discussion sometime in the future and be deleted. If you haven't, I implore you to read Your first article and Easy referencing for beginners (especially the latter, as that is the main decline reason), and try out the interactive tutorial if you haven't done so already. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:14, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I read Wikipedia's "Getting Started" material. Both Elance and Freelancer are mentioned. And now I'm being told not to hire a paid service to post my article? The Wikipedia editing tools are primitive. This is not new news. (BTW, ::I am not going to use "Wikipedia Submissions" because their name is misleading and they are in the process of changing it.)

Can anyone help me post my article?

(a) The article needs to be properly formatted for Wikipedia, (b) The references need to be properly cited, (c) Three images need to be registered and placed in the article, (d) One table needs to be created and placed in the article, ::(e) I estimate about one hour worth of work. Thanks. Arthur6Morgan (talk) 20:13, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't see at Help:Getting Started where paid editing services are suggested or endorsed. 331dot (talk) 20:33, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Arthur6Morgan. Wikipedia's Visual Editor was designed to make editing the encyclopedia easier and is improving all the time. Go to Help:Introduction and look at the links under Visual Editor. Reviewers of Draft articles will often fix up problems with formats and references. So don't give up. The paid services are mostly hired by people or companies who want to advertise on Wikipedia, so they can't usually write in anything but public relations speak, which doesn't belong here and gets removed. For an article such as yours on a historic mint, I suggest that practicing a bit with the Visual Editor may be all you need. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I never heard of Elance or Freelancer until I read it on one of the Wikipedia starter documents. Anyway, if anyone wants to help me, please contact me. I'll buy you dinner for your troubles. Arthur6Morgan (talk) 23:23, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Arthur. I would be very interested to know which of the "Wikipedia starter documents" mentined Elance and Freelancer, because I am very concerned if somewhere we are pointing new editors at those enterprises. ColinFine (talk) 13:33, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

TO WHOMEVER FORMATTED MY ARTICLE: Thank-You Very, Very Much! Very Much Appreciated. You are the best! I promise I'll learn the Visual Editor for my next article! Arthur6Morgan (talk) 03:54, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Arthur6Morgan: Since this was not mentioned, I'd like to add it to the discussion. This is an ongoing scam targeting AfC participants. All real AfC reviewers are volunteers and will never ask for payment or solicit like this. Please see this scam warning and forward the message you received with this offer to paid-en-wpwikipedia.org as soon as possible. Bsoyka (talk) 00:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

User access levels

How do you know wether you have become extended-confirmed? And what is the criteria of extended-confirmed?Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 01:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Organic Increse45: You can check this page: Special:UserRights/Organic_Increse45. Extended confirmed is granted when you have at least 500 edits and your account is at least 30 days old. You can read more about the different levels at Wikipedia:User_access_levels RudolfRed (talk) 01:41, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

a small question

How I just finished editing in the middle, accidentally uploaded, what to do? Chang Xu 9824 (talk) 04:24, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Your contributions show no evidence that you have been working on or have submitted an article (or a draft). You have put content on your User page and your Talk page. Going to either and clicking on Edit (top menu) allows you to add or delete content. The history of those changes will be shown via View history. David notMD (talk) 04:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Promo Content Understanding

Is there any definite guide or a better explainion which can share about the promo content. If we are writing a draft or a bio page, how do we know if it is promo or not? Everyone is having different understanding. Some people keep the funding while some remove info from the page? Can we write about the awards any individual got? Can we write the list of other products on a company page? Writing pros and cons of services/products? What kind of info wiki promotes and what is not at all we should do? Behind the moors (talk) 09:18, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

That's a reasonable question, Behind the moors, but I doubt that there's a good, simple answer. You can write about awards, provided that there's evidence that people other than the winners pay attention to the awards. (Plenty of "awards" these days are "pay to play", business arrangements whereby people pay, get grand-sounding but meaningless "awards", and can then add these to their CVs in order to impress the credulous.) If a company has products that are of some note, and if there aren't tiresomely many of these, you can list them. However, leave comprehensive lists to the company's own website. You can write pros and cons by summarizing what's written about these in reliable sources. -- Hoary (talk) 09:46, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

You will find more information at WP:PROMO. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

How to tell which categories are tagged in a draft I created and submitted

Hi. I recently wrote and submitted a draft, and then added a number of additional citations after I got initial feedback. I also believe I added a couple of category tags, but I'm not confident that I did this properly. I don't know how to tell which categories are currently tagged in the draft, and I'm especially keen on making sure the single most pertinent category is now tagged. Any advice appreciated. Rxbbarber (talk) 15:02, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Rxbbarbar, and welcome to the Teahouse. Categories should not be added to a draft, but only to an accepted article. You may however specify categories inside the template {{draft categories}} - they will then be displayed in the draft, but the draft will not actually be added to the category until it is moved to main article space. ColinFine (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, ColinFine. My understanding was that there was a way of tagging a few categories to help ensure the most appropriate reviewers would become aware of the submission. In this case it seemed appropriate to me for people involved in the category groups "documentary films about New Orleans", and "high school marching bands from The United States" to know about the submission, as they are in a position to judge criteria such as "importance". From what you wrote, it looks like what I should do (if I haven't already, or if I can figure out how) is to specify categories inside the template. Thanks again. Rxbbarber (talk) 12:59, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

To be more specific: On the draft page I choose "edit", then choose "add tags to your draft". I see a pop-up: "Template/Generated from AFC submission". I then see a form which at the top reads: "The "AFC submission" template doesn't yet have a description, but there might be some information on the template's page." Below that I see seven boxes where I can add or edit text, labeled: 1. 2. ns, ts, u, decliner, declinets. I understand "decliner". The others, not so much. I impetuously wrote in two official subcategories in the 1 and 2 boxes, having no idea whether that was appropriate, useful, or a bad idea. Sorry to be asking these newbie elementary questions. Rxbbarber (talk) 13:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:NACTOR

Does music videos adds to notability of subject because in WP:NACTOR it is not specifically mentioned. Thanks Akb bhatia (talk) 13:11, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

No. Only WP:Reliable sources add to notability. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:42, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Requesting inputs

Greetings,

Adequate and nuanced overview for even non– Muslim audience is expected out of the articles Muslims and Muslim world. Whether the articles are achieving that purpose adequately? Requesting and expecting proactive participation in providing inputs from non–Muslim audience too along with Muslim users.

Since the article Muslim world is tagged various improvements it can not be submitted to formal review process still I feel the article deserves more inputs for content improvement.

Requesting your visit to the articles

• Muslims and
• Muslim world

and provide your inputs @

• Talk:Muslims/Archive 8#Requesting inputs and
• Talk:Muslim world#Requesting inputs

Thanks

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 06:30, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bookku Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for your interest in improving these articles. At the top of each talk page is a list of WikiProjects that might be interested in helping to improve the articles. You can ask for assistance on the WikiProject talk pages. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

MobileAction Wikipedia Page

 Courtesy link: Draft:Mobile Action

Hi here I'm trying to get my wikipedia page approved, your colleague previously mentioned that I need an additional resource - perhaps from an industry analyst or something.  This is my page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mobile_Action?action=edit / can you please guide me - I reduced the text for the sake of objectivity and found an ebook of Phiture - Would I need extra resource or edits at my text after using this. (adding link: https://mobileaction.slack.com/files/U02BK7J9QLX/F035X8FQ4RY/the-advanced-app-store-optimization_ebook_2022.pdf?origin_team=T039J92R9&origin_channel=D034WG7C7T5 Lifeatmobileaction (talk) 13:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

It still reads like blatant promotion and requires citations. The section on "Some partners and customers" is completely irrelevant. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Note: OP has been indefinitely blocked for editing without disclosing a paid relationship and sockpuppeting. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

My page was deleted due to some reasons but still showing on browsing results

I created a page to try how is going to be randomly but then it was deleted , I thought it was some internet uploading issue so I tried reposting again and same thing it’s deleted after few seconds and then after this I realized when I type the title of the page it still show the information I wrote on google results even if the page was actually deleted. Can someone help get rid of this ? Mogelivich6 (talk) 16:01, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mogelivich6 Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia editors cannot control what Google displays in their search engine or how often they update their information. GoingBatty (talk) 16:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Can you swear in Wikipedia?

p Dulken (talk) 05:28, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

It's not WP:CIVIL and swear at someone is not okay. But mild curses are usually tolerated. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:45, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

And we do have an article called Fuck. HiLo48 (talk) 05:46, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dulken See also WP:NOTCENSORED. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

• @Dulken: In spite of what you might have been told  ;) I refer you to Jimmy "utter fucking bullshit" Wales :D SN54129 16:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Please help!!! Robert McClenon is constantly stalking me around!!!

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I have recently noticed one thing, this reviewer Robert McClenon seems to be way too interested in "me" and stalking me and my works. He/She is literally "stalking" me around. I kindly request him/her to do "their" business in a proper way as this is Wikipedia not their private house or street. I am not the only editor whom they have to bother about, there are several editors who are working here. He/She is always behind me wherever I place my views or requests. Honestly, it is stalking and very annoying!!! Aren't the experienced editors supposed to help the new ones? But here he/she is just constantly trying to put some "allegation" by constantly bothering me with their comments. I'm trying my max to give "cold shoulder" but he/she doesn't seem to stop!!! Are they the only "responsible" editor/reviewer in Wikipedia or what? Please someone ask them to stop unnecessarily irritate!!! Commonedits (talk) 05:59, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

This doesn't look like stalking to me. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:09, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Not that, he/she was there when I submitted deletion review for Priyanka Choudhary and constantly pinging in his/her comments, had immediately declined the Draft:Priyanka Choudhary when I asked it for a re-review in the deletion review section, declined Draft:Bhumika Gurung without reading it's references and giving a very "invalid" reason for declining it (i.e. he/she had not even read the sources which were independant and reliable and gave the reason that the sources are not independant and reliable). After that, he/she already gave a comment on Draft:Chahat Pandey to which I had given the reasons how Chahat Pandey is WP:N with her multiple lead roles but then he/she keeps pinging me and "insulting" me by again and again leaving "weird comments" in that draft!!! Is he/she the only reviewer in Wikipedia? I think there are several other reviewers too right? Then why is he/she so interested in my works???? Commonedits (talk) 06:22, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

(1) It's probably safe to say that somebody choosing to call themself "Robert" identifies as masculine and may be referred to as "he". If the slight lack of total clarity about this worries you, Commonedits, you may prefer to refer to him/them as "they": "Singular 'they'" is, I think, welcomed by virtually all English speakers not afflicted by either "language 'expertise'" or senility (two factors that I tend to think are interrelated). (2) I see no "weird comments" by Robert McClenon on Draft:Chahat Pandey. Rather, I see constructive and amicable comments. (If I'd commented, I'd have noted the claim that "Pandey rose to fame", inferred from this that people had described or discussed her work, and asked about any substantive content. As it is, the draft doesn't convince me that anybody has thought her of sufficient interest to comment on her.) (3) Please don't use multiples of "?" or of "!": it's hard to take the resulting text seriously. -- Hoary (talk) 08:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary - Thank you so much for your advises on grammar and punctuation, I'm choosing to follow them and going to give a blind eye regarding what you said about the editor because it's very well clear that you are siding up with them and justifying their stalkerish behaviour! It's okay, now I have got to used this behavior from the experienced editors of Wikipedia! Thank you Commonedits (talk) 09:09, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I think that most of the editors here agree with User:EvergreenFir and User:Hoary, but I will add a few comments to User:Commonedits. The reason why I commented on all three of your Deletion Review requests is, first, that I am one of the regular editors at Deletion Review. I check on Deletion Review frequently and comment on all of the requests. Second, your requests all implied that you wanted to use Deletion Review to reopen the deletion discussions. Also, you called attention to yourself with your angry edit summaries on 8 March and 9 March. If you don't want other editors to think that you are angry, then don't express your anger in Wikipedia. If you go around expressing anger, some editors may check on you to make sure that you aren't breaking anything. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:06, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Robert McClenon Fyki, there is a difference between getting "offended" and "being angry" "I am offended with you and your behavior with me" and that is different from "being angry". If you really have so much time then please go contribute in Wikipedia instead of poking your nose unnecessarily into my affairs, trying to instigate me and then later make it an allegation against me! Thank you!Commonedits (talk) 11:11, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

It's you. When several highly experienced editors, reviewers and administrators try to advise you, and you get combative, it's you. And there are several contradictory facts about your comments. At one place "I'm sorry but Wikipedia seems to be a very strange platform with very stupid rules and very weirdest administration!!" whereas at another "I'm editing in Wikipedia since the past 5 years..." On a separate note, you posted on an editor's talk page "My friend asked me to approach you for reviewing my drafts Draft:Chahat Pandey, Draft:Zaan Khan and Draft:Bhavika Sharma." The Khan draft was created in February by User:Jha09. Is that also you? I added a comment to your AfC for Bhavika Sharma because there is long history of attempts to create an article about her, the most recent deleted and salted in January 2022. David notMD (talk) 11:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

David notMD Honestly, I'm sorry for confusing you with my varying "tones". It's just that I'm polite to those who are polite to me and "very impolite" to those who are impolite to me. On what you had asked about User:Jha09, my answer is a "no". I am not really aware of such an account. You can investigate on it. Lastly, with respect to Draft:Bhavika Sharma, yes I know there's a long history of attempts of creation which is why I had asked for it in the "deletion review". However, thanks for your comment there and wishing you a very good day! This is not a contradictory tone, I'm really wishing a good day!😅Commonedits (talk) 15:17, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

In Draft:Bhavika Sharma, the Life and Family section states:

Chahat Pandey was born on 26 November 1998 in Mumbai city of Madhya Pradesh to Bhawana and Mani Pandey. She has three sisters, Kirti, Divya and Deepika Sharma

. That appears to be partly about Bhavika Sharma and partly about Chahat Pandey, so that it appears that Commonedits jumbled the information about the two actresses in writing the drafts. I see very little reason for reviewers to try to verify information in drafts that have been sloppily composed. (The Sharma draft has now been tagged for G7, user-requested deletion.) Robert McClenon (talk) 16:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for reviewing and rejecting a draft which I had nominated for deletion even before you rejected it! LOL! Anyhow my intention was not of promoting Chahat Pandey in Draft:Bhavika Sharma. It was an error that happened because I took Chahat's article as base for Draft:Bhavika Sharma! Commonedits (talk) 16:11, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Draft:Darryl Ware II

A bot responded to edits of the article with "The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you." Could you refer to "Draft:Darryl Ware II" and make any corrections that you can make from your end that would instantly publish the article? I listed the news citations below the article as requested. 199.80.75.2 (talk) 16:07, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Theroadislong is a human user, not a bot. I suggest reviewing WP:EASYREFBEGIN to learn how to place the footnotes properly in Draft:Darryl Ware II. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are volunteers here to advise, but not be co-authors. The comment stated that the use of linkedIn and Darryl's website as references all need to be removed. References need to follow the text they support, not be clumped together. Draft:Darryl Ware II was created by a registered account, so if that is you, then log in to that account to communicate. Last, BUT MOST IMPORTANT, there is nothing at the draft that suggests that Ware is Wikipedia-notable. He is a candidate for mayor of Shreveport. He has held no prior elected office. Consider this WP:TOOSOON David notMD (talk) 17:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Will Smith's Violence

Why is Smiths wiki page so protected that his violent act at the Oscars can't be noted on his page yet his crummy film is? Smith is a sham and his Oscars should be revoked. JillyD1904 (talk) 17:22, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

This is not a forum for you to opine on Will Smith. Please use Twitter for that. The page is protected to stop disruptive editing. See WP:DE and WP:SEMI EvergreenFir (talk) 17:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The occurrence at the Oscars is definitely noted on the article. From "Will Smith" (see that page's history for attribution):

During the 94th Academy Awards on March 27, 2022, Smith walked onstage and slapped presenter and comedian Chris Rock after Rock joked about his wife Jada Pinkett Smith's shaved head with a G.I. Jane reference. In 2018, Pinkett Smith was diagnosed with alopecia and later shaved her hair off due to the condition. The incident stunned television viewers and the live audience, who were unclear if the altercation was scripted. Smith then returned to his seat and yelled to Rock, twice, to "Keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth!" Later in the night, Smith was named Best Actor for King Richard and apologized to the Academy and the other nominees, but not to Rock, in an emotional acceptance speech. Rock declined to press charges against Smith.

Bsoyka (talk) 17:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

References

Determining the grade assigned to an article

When I read an article, sometimes I would like to know how it is graded. Occasionally, I would like to dig deeper into the history of the article such as when it received a particular grade and how that came about. How can I find such information? Humphrey Tribble (talk) 03:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Humphrey Tribble! Does this information at Wikipedia:Content assessment help? Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 04:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

That link give criteria for the ratings. Top of the Talk page shows the ratings. For GA and FA, Talk page also shows date. Any editor can change ratings from Stup to Start, Start to C-class, C-class to B-class (or down-rate). Ideally, those editors are using the Content assessment criteia. There is a kludgy method toward dating the upgrades. Why the interest? David notMD (talk) 04:35, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I have come across articles about early American history which are rated as good, yet which seem to contain inaccurate information or have other deficiencies. So I would like to know what the article looked like in its early days and at the time it was assessed, to compare with the current article. It is possible that historical events have been reevaluated over recent decades but the articles have not been updated. Consequently, the first thing I need is to confirm the current assessment. I can do that now that I know more about how Wikipedia works. Thanks. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 18:19, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

That article tells me the process, thanks.

I have also explored further. The articles mention a star or similar symbol at the top right in the desktop version, but I don't see it on my iPad. Yes, I have requested both the mobile and the desktop versions. No such animal; perhaps it is the quirk of iPads.

Nevertheless, I found the "..." menu which got me to "page information". No joy there either, but at the very bottom there are some external tools. Revision history statistics and WikiCkecker both produce a page on which the assessment is listed, amongst other information. At the very bottom of revision history statistics there is a list of projects and grades, but I don't understand the connection.

It is unfortunate that Wikipedia is such a complex entity. Almost from my first edit I have had to wrestle with the overhead of abbreviations, jargon, and procedures, when I just want want to improve accuracy and the quality of writing.

Thanks for your help. I welcome any other tips. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 06:27, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Humphrey Tribble - the stars indicate Featured Articles, green pluses indicate Good Articles, which are formally vetted articles. Not many have them, but to confirm if your ipad will show them, take a look at the article currently on the Main Page - it should show a star.

We definitely are a complex site, with many rules, but the key facet of that is that you don't need to know the vast majority of rules for the vast majority of editing. Help:Intro is the smoothest path to starting editing, and as long as you continue to be polite and source your edits, then the rest can come more slowly. Nosebagbear (talk) 08:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

A good idea to test today's featured article. However, nothing I do displays a star. I will explore this again when I can try it on a desktop computer. Thanks. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 18:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Humphrey TribbleFA and GA articles can be delisted, then re-promoted years later. Dates of actions are shown. See Talk page of Jimmy Carter or Vitamin C as examples. Often, articles that made FA or GA years ago no longer meet current standards, but have not been challenged. As for viewing older versions, clicking on View history (top menu). This shows a chronolgical list of article edits. Clicking on the date for any of the edits will show what the article looked like after that edit. David notMD (talk) 18:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

MOS for Flag pages

Recently on the page White-blue-white flag there has been a removal/reversion/removal sequence involving a section illustrating 'similar' flags. A claim is made that 'similar' flags are never illustrated on flag pages; this however is contradicted in, for example, the Rainbow flag where there is a section 'Other rainbow flags'. The Free Speech Flag carries a picture of an example embodiment of the FSF. So that's about a 50:50 split between examples for and against within the few cases I have checked in the Category:Activism flags; is there a description of accepted custom and practice in this matter, ideally a MOS for Flag pages? Yadsalohcin (talk) 06:41, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Yadsalohcin: I don't think there's a specific MoS page for articles about flags, but I don't think one is entirely needed for this. Just try discussing this on the article's talk page, per the BRD cycle. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 11:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

It seems to me that listing "other (rainbow) flags" is not the same as listing "similar" flags. In the first instance they are all rainbow flags. If they are other white-blue-white flags then why not include them? If they are merely "similar" then I would say that is too vague to be helpful.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:40, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks both for these helpful observations and suggestions.Yadsalohcin (talk) 18:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there any template to encode text into Base64?

Is this a dumb question? Is it even possible to do with wikitext? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 17:27, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: There isn't one that I know of, but in theory I'd assume it's possible with a Lua module. Why do you ask? Bsoyka (talk) 17:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bsoyka: Just curious ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:24, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bsoyka: I found a piece of code here that is licensed under the MIT license. Can I copy-paste it here? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:37, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: IANAL, but I think so, as long as you include the text of the MIT license with it. Bsoyka (talk) 18:57, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Help with Lua module

I'm trying to make a template that can encode text to Base64, and an editor told me to use Lua, so I copied the code from here. I'm very unexperiened with Lua, so how do I do it??? I tried {{#invoke:Base64|base64.encode(input)|Test}}, but it gives an error. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Maybe try asking at WP:VPT. Bsoyka (talk) 18:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

What is the purpose of the template, anyway? casualdejekyll 18:59, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Casualdejekyll: So that you can encode text in base64 QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 19:08, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

And what are some use cases for why this might be relevant to building an encyclopaedia? ColinFine (talk) 19:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Date format question

I have a question regarding Denzel Curry's page. Should the last subsection of the career section be named "2022–present: Melt My Eyez See Your Future" or just "2022: Melt My Eyez See Your Future"? I followed Nicki Minaj's example but I don't know if it's right. — Castlepalace (talk) (ctbs) 17:45, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

No one at all? :/ — Castlepalace (talk) (ctbs) 20:09, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

"Splinter article" that isn't a splinter article but being denied

I've been working on the article Draft:Omiki but it was rejected from AFC due to not meeting exceptional criteria of notability due to allegedly being a splinter article from Religion and alcohol. The problem is that the article really isn't a splinter article at all, Omiki just currently redirects there for some reason. Omiki is a specific ritual of offering alcohol that is wholly distinct from general shinto views on the ethics of alcohol much like how Sacramental wine is completely different from Christian views on alcohol. How do I get the draft into mainspace? MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 19:01, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @MaitreyaVaruna! Looking at the draft and the comment @AngusWOOF made, it appears the issue isn't directly about notability, but rather just our (often unfortunately bureaucratic) process. Essentially, the place to propose the new article is at Talk:Religion and alcohol rather than Articles for Creation. Fortunately, I see you already raised that issue at Talk:Religion_and_alcohol#Shinto a month ago, and since it didn't get any reply, that's implicit consensus to proceed. Launching the draft requires a bit of administrator technical help, so I've made a request on your behalf at WP:Requested moves; it'll likely be handled within a day or so. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:42, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Sdkb, this wasn't given a proper split request WP:SPLITTING treatment at talk:Religion and alcohol. Do you still want to spin it off? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Trouble getting our page approved.

Hi All,

We have a page that keeps getting disapproved for promo or spam. I understand why the disapproval happened the 1st time. However, we've gathered more information and added it to help people understand about our channel and not push anything. Any help is greatly appreciated. Draft:YoReSpot America4life1987 (talk) 19:49, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

America4life1987 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has articles, not pages. This is a subtle but important distinction. If you work for or represent this social media platform, you must read about conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. Your draft was clearly promotional- you don't have to be actively soliciting or selling something. Wikipedia is not a place for organizations to tell the world about themselves or their offerings; Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about an organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Instead of trying to force the issue, I would suggest that you allow independent editors to take note of your platform and write about it on their own- note that any article about your platform is not yours to control, see WP:OWN. 331dot (talk) 19:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation @331dot We will do just that. America4life1987 (talk) 20:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

America4life1987, Adding more links to Wikipedia policy and guidelines would just lessen the affect of the information @331dot has provided but I would caution you that when you say "we" then it immediately causes some editors to think that multiple persons are using your Wikipedia account for the purpose of adding information to this draft or for editing Wikipedia here. Each account should be edited by one person. This is why we encourage you to come up with a unique name for the account which belongs to you. When several people use the same account for editing here we call that meatpuppetry and it could get you sanctioned. Just be careful and make sure only you use this account. Follow the other instructions provided to you by @331dot and you should be in a good spot. Happy editing and good luck with the article. --ARoseWolf 20:20, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there any tool present

Hello Wikipedians is there any tool present so that I can translate the page Oindrila Sen to other languages? @@@XyX _talk 21:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Bijoy2020:Once you become an extended confirmed user, you can use the Content translation tool. Until then, you can simply translate it manually by rewriting the text and copying the templates. (See Wikipedia:Translate us for more information) — Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 21:09, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Newspaper ad as a source?

In the intro section of Major-General's Song, the statement [The song] is difficult to perform because of the fast pace and tongue-twisting nature of the lyrics is cited to the leading sentence of a random advertisement in a local newspaper. I don't think that's a reliable source. 79.179.70.90 (talk) 11:05, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

It looks to me like a theatre review by a named journalist. It was published in the Times Leader, which according to Wikipedia "became known around the country as a growth platform for young journalists, photographers, and newspaper executives". Maproom (talk) 13:02, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

That reference has been with the article for more than eight years. Can you find better to supplement it? David notMD (talk) 13:06, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't know a better source, but I still don't think the present one is reliable. Kimberly Davis' piece isn't about patter songs; it's about what plays are on. It consists almost entirely of the theatre's "menu" (what plays are on, when, at what prices, and even the phone numbers for ordering tickets), except for the leading sentence, which about patter songs. Leading sentences like this aren't necessarily reliable (if we go by first sentences, I could probably find references that call this year's basketball champion "the best team in the world"). In particular, I doubt the Times Leader fact checked the first sentence; I assume that sentence reflects what Kimberly Davis considered to be common knowledge. 79.179.70.90 (talk) 15:12, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Reference #2 at Patter song (which itself uses the Major-General's Song as an example), has: "A comic song in opera and operetta that are characterized by a moderately fast to very fast tempo with a rapid succession of rhythmic patterns that each have a syllable of text to be sung by the singer. The text is often filled with difficult, tongue-twisting lyrics that are very..." Perhaps the sentence in Major-General's Song can be changed to "Patter songs are considered difficult to perform because of...", using this replacement ref. David notMD (talk) 17:26, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Done, thanks! 79.179.29.199 (talk) 23:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Can I add a page that was deleted?

In early 2021, I created a page called WhiteHat Jr. about an ed-tech company. However, it was deleted soon after due to “not being notable”. Now I want to create a page about the same ed-tech company (with its new name, BYJU’S Future School) and now I feel like it is a bit more notable. Can I go ahead with the creation of this page? Vamsi20 (talk) 21:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

If It was deleted by Discussion page deletion then go for Afc reviewing process. @@@XyX _talk 22:22, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Vamsi20 (talk) 23:03, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Page move Lalibela (Ethiopian Emperor) to Lalibela (Emperor of Ethiopia)

Hello another user moved the name Lalibela (Emperor of Ethiopia) to Lalibela (King of Zagwe Dynasty) without engaging other ediitors (controversial). I tried to move it back with some minor mishaps ahumm.., i couldn't move it back because of existing redirect, question how do i remove the redirect, so that it goes back to Lalibela (Emperor of Ethiopia)? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 16:55, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Use Special:MovePage/Lalibela (Ethiopian Emperor) QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 17:29, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

This needs a page mover or admin to do it. tagging @Johnpacklambert as recently active admin casualdejekyll 19:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I do not believe I have administrative privileges, so I do not believe I can do it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:39, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The automated tool.. it lied to me... how could this be...^[Humor] This is me being stupid, sorry. Let's roll the dice again... @Rosiestep casualdejekyll 22:43, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Casualdejekyll, Dawit S Gondaria, Johnpacklambert, and QuickQuokka: Done. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:59, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rosiestep: Thank you! Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 23:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Seeking advice on article's title change

What should I do to get an article's title changed? FoxtAl (talk) 07:00, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Discuss it on the talk page of the article. If it gets community approval, you can move it. If you do not know how to do that, someone in the discussion will either do the move or help you to do it. --Bduke (talk) 07:19, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

In addition to @Bduke, you can also move it yourself. If you are on mobile, then go and switch to Desktop site. If you are on desktop, then click on an article, click on more, then select "Move". Hope this helps! Cool guy (talk • contribs) • he/they 01:26, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Help needed to write an rfc for Flag of Alabama

I brought concerns of WP:STONEWALLING and WP:BADFAITHNEG to the WP:ANI and some editors suggested I write an WP:RFC instead to get more input. However, there has been extensive criticism of the rfc and requests to close it without discussion. I am not trying to make a biased or leading rfc so I am asking for help in tweaking the rfc. I have tried asking users to elaborate with little success.

The topic of debate is Confederate symbolism in the state flag and whether or not that information should be included in the MOS:LEAD.

I attempted to make an unbiased rfc with multiple options. This is what I came up with:

"Should we include information that the flag of Alabama is based on the Confederate battle flag in the MOS:LEAD?

A: Yes, there is sufficient evidence that the state flag of Alabama is based on the Confederate battle flag and should be included in the lead.

B: No, there is disagreement over the origins of the state flag among reliable sources and no mention of confederate symbolism should be included in the lead.

C: No, the state flag is based on the Spanish colonial flag and that should be included in the lead instead.

D: No, there is disagreement over the origins of the state flag among reliable sources and that should be mentioned in the lead.

What sources are considered reliable for this issue?"

How do I fix this so that discussion can continue? I also had an editor accuse me of WP:CANVASSING because I made an rfc. I don't think rfcs are canvassing, if they are please let me know. Desertambition (talk) 23:05, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Desertambition, I have very little (or no?) experience of creating RFCs; however:

"Should the MOS:LEAD say that the flag of Alabama is based on the Confederate battle flag?

"A: Yes, there is a general consensus among reliable sources that the state flag of Alabama is based on the Confederate battle flag and therefore this should be included in the lead.

"B: No, there is disagreement over the origins of the state flag among reliable sources and therefore no mention of claimed Confederate (or Spanish, or other) origins or symbolism should be included in the lead

"(i) and neither should the fact that there is disagreement.

"(ii) although the fact that there is disagreement should be mentioned.

"C: No, the state flag is based on the Spanish colonial flag; and therefore this Spanish origin should be included in the lead instead."

Arranging an RfC is the right thing to do. (Of course, advertising this RfC selectively, to those who you suppose would tend toward the one side rather than the other, as well as in the standard manner would be canvassing.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:42, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I have no objection with what you wrote and I hope it is sufficient for other users. I will edit the current rfc with these revisions. If I should open a new rfc instead or do something differently please let me know. I have not advertised this rfc to any users and do not plan to unless specifically requested. I will ping every user who has engaged on the current rfc to let them know the rfc has been revised. Desertambition (talk) 23:49, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Desertambition, there's no false modesty above: I don't remember having launched any RfC (though I suppose I must have done at some time) and it's very rare that I even participate in one (I only notice them when they're well under way and I can't bring myself to read such a wall of text). Please don't launch any RfC until you get some informed comments (and perhaps suggestions) here. -- Hoary (talk) 00:10, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: Ok sorry, should I close the current rfc? Desertambition (talk) 00:12, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm just going to close it pending more input. Desertambition (talk) 00:12, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: Also, I was trying to close the discussion but I don't know why my formatting isn't working correctly. I was trying to follow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Closing_discussions#Writing_a_summary but it's not working properly. Desertambition (talk) 00:23, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Desertambition, I've just looked at Talk:Flag of Alabama, for the first time. I hadn't understood that the RfC was already in progress. One criticism that you got there was spot on: You mustn't reword one or more of the options of an RfC after it has got under way. I mean, if option P says XYZ, and I agree with XYZ, then I'll plump for P (preferably stating my reasons for doing so); but if P is subsequently redefined not as XYZ but instead as WXY, then my earlier vote (my "!vote") is being misrepresented. There does seem to be an extraordinary level of hostility on that talk page. An early start to a replacement, debugged, carefully thought-out and carefully worded RfC would surely get a hostile reaction (however unjustified). I'd put that article on the back burner for a time while you concentrate on other articles. But don't abandon it. -- Hoary (talk) 00:38, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. I will wait for a while. It is frustrating that editors continue to edit the article while refusing to engage in good faith or build consensus. Desertambition (talk) 02:04, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I’m new to Wikipedia..

Hello! im new to Wikipedia (just started today) and I don’t even know how to use this website!! could someone please tell me how I use this website! 😊 TigerTurtle (talk) 02:23, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

My first recommendation is always for you to stop by Wikipedia:Five pillars and Wikipedia:NOT to learn about what Wikipedia is. casualdejekyll 02:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse TigerTurtle, if you want to get started editing, the welcome message I left on your talk page contains a few links that would familiarize you with some basic policies and guidelines, and if you don't know where to start, try the task center, thanks for contributing to this project! Justiyaya 02:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

On your Talk page there is the aforementioned WELCOME with blue words or phrases, each of which links to guidelines. David notMD (talk) 02:30, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Extensive references to the DSM-IV: would it be appropriate for me to update the information to the DSM-5?

Basically reading psychopathology articles I've noticed that lots of them have huge amounts of information that comes from the DSM-IV. It would be a great source, if it hadn't been superseded...in 2012. While the DSM-5 is not without controversy, every new edition of the DSM will necessarily have some controversy around it, and given that the DSM is extensively peer-reviewed and prepared over a long period of time, as well as it being the closest thing there is to an official source of information in all of psychiatry (well, jointly with the mental disorders section of the ICD-11 - speaking of which, the same problem applies where I'm seeing lots of references to the ICD-10) it seems sensible to me to have a certain level of deference to the experts and trust that the most up-to-date information is the most accurate in absence of a specific reason to the contrary. My opinion is that in the vast majority of cases updating to the DSM-5 would be best, but I'm relatively new to editing Wikipedia so I thought I'd ask about it here first. Anditres (talk) 02:15, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

A good question, Anditres, but one that would be better asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Psychology, because it would likely get many more informed readers there than here. -- Hoary (talk) 02:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thank you, I shall ask it over there. Anditres (talk) 03:22, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Help needed with formatting a discussion closure

Hello, I tried to close the discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Flag_of_Alabama#Request_for_comment_on_Confederate_symbolism with a summary but clearly my formatting is messed up. Can someone please explain how I messed it up? I was trying to follow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Closing_discussions#Writing_a_summary Desertambition (talk) 04:30, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Melecie fixed it in this edit. Kpddg ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:33, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes that happened immediately after I posted. I am very thankful. I think I just had one too many brackets? Desertambition (talk) 04:36, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

(way too many edit conflicts) hi Desertambition! you seem to have accidentally closed the {{Archive top}} prematurely, so that it didn't get to see the result and status parameters. I've fixed that over there by removing the first closing brackets from {{Archive top}}. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:38, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I appreciate that a lot. Desertambition (talk) 04:39, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

The header has already been fixed by Melecie. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 04:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that happened immediately after I posted. Very thankful. Must have misread the guide. Desertambition (talk) 04:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

My wikipedia page got deleted

I created a wikipedia page draft, titled 'Nursing Employability Excellence Program' but it got deleted. Source: https://skillzip.com/Neep/ The source is credible and genuine and the information provided in the wikipedia page was strictly for the informative purpose. What should I do now? 1Nanoscience2 (talk) 04:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@1Nanoscience2: Welcome to the Teahouse. It doesn't seem you've ever created a draft of that name (no deletion logs showing up), but I've moved your other page to Draft:Nanoschool, as it isn't a suitable article for Wikipedia as it is right now. I strongly suggest you read and absorb Your first article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@1Nanoscience2: The article (not draft) at Nursing Employability Excellence Program was deleted for being advertising. Follow the guidance at WP:YFA before trying to recreate it. RudolfRed (talk) 04:25, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

1Nanoscience2, much of the draft was about the purposes and goals of NEEP, as described by CCNE. But Wikipedia isn't much interested in what an organization says about its own project or product, no matter how laudable this may be. (People who want this can go straight to the organization's own website, and read it there.) Instead, it wants commentary from reliable, published, disinterested sources. -- Hoary (talk) 09:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Morthouse and Dead house

To me it seems like Morthouse and Dead house both describe the same concept. What's the process of dealing with doublicate pages like that? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 12:26, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Merging should have the relevant instructions. Toofllab (talk) 13:55, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy vanish

I'm considering requesting a courtesy vanish (WP:VANISH) and I have a question regarding the policy. On the what vanish is not section they say the following, when you request a courtesy vanishing, it is understood that you will not be returning, do they mean that I cannot or, at least, shouldn't create a new account in my whole lifetime or only for a considerable amount of years? Could I, let's say, create an account after 5, 10 years? Thanks. SadAttorney613 (talk) 14:03, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

It means exactly what it says: you will not be returning to edit Wikipedia. Ever. If you intend to create a new account see Wikipedia:Clean start instead. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:14, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) hi SadAttorney613 and welcome to the teahouse! vanishing is more or less a permanent action when you do not intend to ever return to active editing and don't want to be associated anymore, so it may be better to retire and return to the account in the future instead if you don't mind. happy editing and reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 14:14, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

SadAttorney613 (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The policy states "If the user returns, the "vanishing" will likely be fully reversed, the old and new accounts will be linked, and any outstanding sanctions or restrictions will be resumed." I'm fairly sure it wouldn't matter how far in the future you returned. You should only request a vanishing if your intention is to not return at all. You may wish to ask a functionary as the vanish policy suggests, but that's how I understand it. 331dot (talk) 14:16, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Create content

Hey there! I am doing some research for my job. I am the assistant at a marketing firm and need to know how to create a wikipedia page for a client? They are looking to be deemed a public figure on social media and having a wikipedia page would help them a lot. Could anyone help me figure this out? 96.227.180.208 (talk) 15:07, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia articles(not "pages") are not for the benefit of their subject. There may be benefits, but those are on the side and not our primary goal. There are in fact good reasons to not want an article about one's self. Wikipedia has no interest in anyone's internet presence or in how social media views them, our only interest is in summarizing what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Please read Your First Article. We usually recommend that new users first edit existing articles, in order to learn more about Wikipedia. Using the new user tutorial also helps(you need an account to do that).

If you are editing for a client, you are required by the Terms of Use to formally declare that fact, please read the paid editing policy, as well as conflict of interest. It's easier to make such a declaration with an account, but it's not required that you have an account. 331dot (talk) 15:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Help about report

Since a time the user Kheng Lengnew writtes a text on Khmer language, in userspaces (Userpage, user talk page), it's principally a draft of an article, her userpage was deleted for these reason, and editions on Talk pages was reverted, but doesn't stop, even being warned. What do you recommend me to do with this user? Emolga826 (talk) 16:48, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

It appears the user is copying content from km.wikipedia.org and using their user pages as sandboxes. If someone knows Khmer, perhaps they can communicate that User:Kheng Lengnew/sandbox would be the appropriate place to make these edits. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:54, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Can someone explain to me how I can make my declined article better

My article was about, how to make globbles! But it was declined!!! can someone help me make my article about how to make globbles better! TigerTurtle (talk) 02:12, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

TigerTurtle, Wikipedia is not for how to guides.Slywriter (talk) 02:13, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh 😔 sorry TigerTurtle (talk) 02:20, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Please read the decliners reasoning. Perhaps Wikibooks would be more to your liking? casualdejekyll 02:14, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

How do you find the decliners reasoning?? Btw thanks 😊 TigerTurtle (talk) 02:21, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh and I’m also new here (just started today) TigerTurtle (talk) 02:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:How to make globbles was actually Rejected, which is much more severe than Declined. In the opinion of the reviewer, a how-to draft from your own experiences, with no references, has no potential toward becoming an article. It has been nominated for deletion. David notMD (talk) 02:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome newcomer TigerTurtle. There's nothing wrong with making a few mistakes on Wikipedia, as long as you're working to learn more, and to know just what Wikipedia is about. I suspect that I am older than you are, for I grew up knowing about printed encyclopedias, and it was easy for me to understand what types articles would be found in an online encyclopedia. It may help you to read What Wikipedia is not (though you might find it rather long), and Help:Your first article. When I first learned that Wikipedia existed I started out by searching for articles on subjects that interested me, and reading what was written. That helped me to figure out more about what was in this wonderful 6 million+ article website. I hope you continue on and find a way to help out. Karenthewriter (talk) 17:04, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Potential prerequisites

Hi all. I've been on Wikipedia for some time now, but I hope I can still ask questions here as I am still fairly new to editing in Wikipedia. I'm wondering if, to edit an article, you need to possess a specific level of literacy in English, or be in a specific age range? I suppose the only requirement is to speak English well, as I've seen many articles with broken English be refined over time. So, out of sheer curiosity, do I need to have a minimum level of knowledge in the English language or are edits still acceptable regardless, as long as I do my research properly? Any help is appreciated. - KoolKidz112 hit me up 16:20, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

KoolKidz112, given the message above, you are probably well versed enough to edit a Wikipedia article. Also, there is no age requirement for editing Wikipedia. Sungodtemple (talk) 16:23, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

While there isn't an age requirement to access or read Wikipedia, KoolKidz112, if you're a young editor I suggest you read Guidance for younger editors to review points like not giving out personal information online. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @KoolKidz112! While you need to have a basic understanding of English language and grammar, non-native speakers are treated equally. As long as your additions are high-quality when it comes to the information you want to add, we won't mind if you slip up every once in a while; someone will come and patch up the errors in due time. For more information, see WP:NNS. Panini! • 🥪 16:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

my first article - draft named Merry Moor Winnett -

I want to add a photograph to my draft article (entitled Merry Moor Winnett). I have loaded my photograph into Wikipmedia Commons as a free image. It is a portrait of the subject. I have read the instructions on how to place an image in an article. However, (when editing the article) there does not seem to be a place to put the image. No space that has "edit" near it. The information box looks good (thanks to someone)...but it seems not to be a place to put an image. I realize that my article is a draft article that may or may not be approved by the editors. Also I realize that the process is lengthy. I have learned a lot already during these editing sessions. Photocher Photocher (talk) 23:44, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Photocher. You state: I have loaded my photograph into Wikipmedia Commons as a free image. Before getting into how to add it to the article, are you the photographer who took the image in 1975? I'll show the link as a courtesy to others who may see this (File:Merry Moor Winnett, 1975.jpg). Thank you.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:08, 29 March 2022 (UTC) (I am not a Teahouser)

hi Rocknrollmancer! by the way, you don't really need to say you're not a teahouser, anyone can answer questions here regardless or not of being a host. happy editing to both of you! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:39, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

It's my dedicated sig-line! .--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:42, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I am the photographer who took the image in 1975. We belonged to the same photography conference. I suspect the image will need to be re-sized? It is a high resolution jpeg which I think suits the recommendations of Wikimedia. Thanks. Photocher Photocher (talk) 00:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Photocher! for Draft:Merry Moor Winnett, you would add the image inside the infobox, in the image variable. given that you use the visual editor which I have no experience with (I use source all the time), I unfortunately do not know how to do that using visual editor, but I've went ahead and added it to your draft. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:56, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

ThanQ Photocher - I had to check as I could see it was processed by scanner - some people think that a modern process means they have the right to upload it as 'own'. The normal place for a portrait image is in the infobox, where present, and it auto-resizes, normally not needing manual adjustment; otherwise top-right corner. There were fields missing from the infobox as added to your draft; these are known as 'parameters'. I've added a caption and alt text for users of screenreaders, where the device reads aloud the description. You can change this if not in agreement with my summary. rgds,--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:12, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I just looked at the article. The image is there. Hooray. Thanks an editor. Your instructions were very clear. This image of her was a "happy accident" of a photograph that reveals much of her art theory. It is strange (and wonderful) how those kind of things happen. It was done on color negative film. I scanned and digitized it. Lucky to have found it after all these years. Again, thank you. From Photocher Photocher (talk) 17:21, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Why is Pluto listed as a dwarf planet?

As far as I know, NASA/IAU (I forgot which) put it back as a planet in 2017.

Or am I completely wrong? Blocky44 (talk) 16:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Blocky44 If you have a reliable source stating that Pluto's classification has changed, please offer it on the article talk page, Talk:Pluto. I suspect that's the sort of thing that would get noticed and changed quickly had that been done, though. 331dot (talk) 16:52, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah they would probably do that.

I personally think it should be considered a planet again because it is very interesting.

But apparently the IAU decides in 2006 that it can never be a planet until it gobbles up all the other KBOs and clears its orbit. Blocky44 (talk) 16:55, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Pluto is still a planet in New Mexico, but I know that's probably not what you were asking about.

Pluto still a planet, in New Mexico Desertambition (talk) 16:56, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

How I Killed Pluto and Why It Had It Coming Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:43, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Cryptic message

he was famous an good for what he did 64.53.103.206 (talk) 17:58, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Glad to hear it, IP user. If you care to tell us who "he" was, and how this is relevant to editing Wikipedia, somebody might be able to help you. --ColinFine (talk) 18:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Removing an intrusive image

Hi, there is (at least) one intrusive image of a band - is it possible to remove this from the wiki history? The file is called 'Year of the Pineapple 2016.jpg' which can be found here. Particlemc (talk) 17:24, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Particlemc. That image has been removed from the article but I see no need to remove it from Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 17:33, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

The image [1] is alive and well, so to speak, on Commons, a related site. At the linked page there is a link for "Nominate for deletion", you can make your argument there. If commons deletes it, it will disappear from old versions of the WP-article as well, we sort of "borrow" pics from there.. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:41, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Particlemc, just an observation but because there was no edit summary it made it more difficult to find exactly which edit this picture was added on, obviously by the uploader, and which edit it was removed on, one of your edits to the article. Edit summaries really do help save time for others. I encourage you to read Help:Edit summary. --ARoseWolf 19:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Particlemc, how is the image intrusive? I can only think that one or both of the people pictured doesn't want the image in Wikipedia. We, being kind, have removed the image. Wikimedia Commons is different, it's a different website, mostly run by different people and with a different mission, and they won't delete it, no. But if we keep it out of the article (which probably it won't even be put back in), it'll almost certainly just sit unused and unseen on Commons forever, so hopefully that's good enough? Herostratus (talk) 22:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Need advice about how to find proper links

Hello fellow Wikipedia editors,

I recently joined this community and I am having a wonderful time. However, I am having some difficulty finding proper links to edit certain pages. Does anyone have any helpful advice that could possibly help me?

Thegreatcapybara (talk) 02:22, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Welcome, Thegreatcapybara! Can you provide an example of one of these certain pages? Bsoyka (talk) 03:05, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

are you talking about protected pages? you can send an edit request to edit those pages for now, and you gain permissions to edit extended-protected pages (ones with a blue lock) after getting extended confirmed, which can be obtained after 500 edits and a month. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 03:09, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

No, I am not talking about protected pages. Thegreatcapybara (talk) 18:10, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I wanted to add something to Imperialism under the Belgium section and I think I'm good on how to identify a good source for an article. I just don't know where to start looking.

Thegreatcapybara (talk) 18:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Thegreatcapybara: Check out Help:Find sources; some great places are listed there. Bsoyka (talk) 22:35, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Thegreatcapybara (talk) 22:38, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

How to fix rounding on my signature at bigger font sizes?

My signatures background has a rounding of 9q, which looks good on the regular font size, but in bigger fonts, such as my welcome to K-9NFL, it looks more like a rounded square. Percent values make it an oval shape, not a stadium. Can I fix this somehow? --QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 19:56, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Probably. QuickQuokka, why have bigger font sizes (especially for one's own signature)? Incidentally, the closest I can see there to an attempt to change a font size is <span style="font-size: 18px; color: #666; "></span>, which achieves precisely nothing. Can we please forget about prettifying signatures and return to the matter of improving articles? -- Hoary (talk) 00:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: This is really a CSS question rather than a Wikipedia question, but the answer is that if you want a dimension to scale with the text size you should express it in em rather than in a fixed unit like Q. --bjh21 (talk) 22:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Is "striking" a peacock word?

Would me saying that 2 books have a "striking" resemblance be peacocking/ puffuery? sina lukin ken e sitelen ni la sina sona e toki pona. mi olin e toki pona. (talk) 02:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

lon. casualdejekyll 02:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, striking can be a peacock word because peacocks strike there tails I guess TigerTurtle (talk) 02:26, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@TigerTurtle - The user was asking about the guideline WP:PEACOCK. "peacock words" in this context means words that promote the subject of an article casualdejekyll 02:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Lionsleeps26, if a reliable source says that Thappad is "strikingly similar" to The Slap in one way or another, then citing the source to say this wouldn't be puffery; and I don't see how it could be peacockery. BTW, please remember that signatures are intended to aid communication, not to impede it. -- Hoary (talk) 02:51, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

If a reliable source does say that, also remember to put in quotation marks to show that it isn't in Wikipedia's voice. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:13, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Lionsleeps26 Your love of Toki Pona as an invented language does not mean you should burden people with that as your visible signature. David notMD (talk) 07:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I see no problem with it though it should be sohrter. casualdejekyll 22:05, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

And that's why I'm glad I have Convenient Discussions installed, so I only see people's usernames and not their customised signatures. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:46, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

EDITORS THAT DON'T KNOW THE FACT BASED INFORMATION

WHO DO I SPEAK WITH ABOUT TERRIBLE EDITORS THAT DO NOT DO RESEARCH TO ENSURE INFORMATION ADDED IS CORRECT OR FALSE BEFORE REMOVING THE CONTENT? 38.34.101.69 (talk) 03:28, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Would you be surprised to find out that yelling here, without any context, is not "WHO [you] SPEAK WITH"? ~TNT (talk • she/her) 03:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Yelling SHAME ON YOU!! probably isn't a good first step to a productive discussion about Wikipedia content. You may be interested in reading up on the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Particularly, I recommend seeing WP:BRDD, as it has some good guidelines for effective discussion. Bsoyka (talk) 04:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

As on your Talk page, added content can be true, but unless references are provided at the same time, will be reverted (reversed). The proper place for a discussion is the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 10:19, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 38.34.101.69! The above editors explain the context very well. You might want to read WP:RS for sourcing guidelines, if your information is correct or incorrect. Also, please read WP:CIVIL, as this "TERRIBLE EDITORS" kind of language is ripe to misinterpretation. Best regards — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 23:05, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I had the same problem. I edited the article to say that the US election was rigged (because it was), but my edits keep getting deleted. And when I tried posting on Talk pages about it, those posts keep getting deleted too. Nobody is even giving me an explanation about why everything I post keeps getting deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1011:B164:8F32:F5BE:7351:AB2:2746 (talk) 00:47, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

here's one (that I've already given below in your section): Verifiability. just because something is true doesn't mean it can be added to wikipedia, it has to be verifiable as well. your edits state no reliable sources so it has been reverted. 💜  melecie  talk - 01:02, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Revise ?

Does revise mean to do it again or just to look at your work because I have to revise something and im not sure if I should write all of it down in my book? TigerTurtle (talk) 22:30, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

This looks like a better question for Google. The Teahouse is for questions about Wikipedia, @TigerTurtle casualdejekyll 22:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@TigerTurtle Revise means you are changing what you wrote earlier. You are Reviewing if you're looking at your work. Oftentimes Reviewing leads to thinking that you could make a few changes to improve a paragraph, and then it is time to Revise what you wrote. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:06, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

If I make a fidget article , will Wikipedia approve?

So I’m wondering if I should make a fidget article.. but I’m worried wikipedia will not approve if I make a article about them? What should I do?? TigerTurtle (talk) 01:53, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

hi TigerTurtle! Fidgeting and Fidget toy exists as well as some others at the disambiguation page Fidget, are you thinking of a different thing? 💜  melecie  talk - 01:54, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

British or American

What determines if an article is british or american englsih Jishiboka1 (talk) 03:11, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jishiboka1: Welcome to the Teahouse. There's more guidance at the manual of style, but one thing that generally tilts an article to a variant of English is if the subject has ties to a particular nation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:14, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Jishiboka1 and welcome to the teahouse! that would be cultural ties first of all: if something is located in a British English-speaking country then the page would be in British English, and same for American English. if that does not apply then it's probably be what is used first and then it should be kept consistent in the article, see MOS:ENGVAR for more on this. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 03:14, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Why do all of my posts keep getting deleted?

All I did was write true facts, but they keep getting deleted with no explanation. 2600:1011:B164:8F32:F5BE:7351:AB2:2746 (talk) 00:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! wikipedia does not solely rely on truth, it relies on verifiability. unless you have reliable sources proving that it's actually rigged, it cannot be added. see Verifiability, not truth for more, from that page: It is not good enough for information to be true, and it is definitely not good enough for you to ... believe it to be true. Wikipedia values accuracy, but it requires verifiability. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello! If it’s information that’s already on Wikipedia, no wonder they won’t let you!but, you could make a article about them in your ownwords? 😊 TigerTurtle (talk) 01:56, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Ps, hope I helped (I’m new to Wikipedia so I’m not a expert 😓 TigerTurtle (talk) 01:57, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@TigerTurtle: That isn't the issue here. The issue is that there isn't a reliable source being provided to support this claim. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:24, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

The issue is a flagrant violation of WP:NONAZIS. Go to conservapedia, IP. I'm sure they want you there. casualdejekyll 04:41, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Portals

What is a portal on Wikipedia? I just joined WikiProject Feminism yesterday, and I saw that there is such a thing as the Feminism Portal, but I am unsure of its purpose and how it is different from the WikiProject? Also, how is a WikiProject in general managed? Are there project leads/admins to guide the project along? Sruthijayanti (talk) 01:26, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Sruthijayanti! A portal is a somewhat unique way of organizing Wikipedia content that allows readers to browse a topic area. You can find lots of information on them at Wikipedia:Portal. They're somewhat unpopular among many editors, who feel that they were an experiment that never really got off the ground and attracted many readers.

A WikiProject differs from a portal in that it's designed mainly for collaboration among editors rather than for readers. WikiProject Feminism is a WikiProject that works on all articles related to feminism. You can see from its talk page that there are a few discussions going on, but nothing super active. This is somewhat typical for project talk pages. If you'd like to see a more active WikiProject, check out WikiProject Women in Red, which aims to close Wikipedia's gender gap by writing articles about notable women who did not have them previously. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you!! How do editors actually collaborate through WikiProjects if active discussions are scarce? Also what are red links on Wikipedia (guessing they are links to pages that do not exist)? Sruthijayanti (talk) 01:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

On your second question, see WP:REDLINK. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

License tagging of photos

Which license tag should be used for a photo:

A) Taken by the subject (provide a link, if possible);

B) Taken by the author (provide a link, if possible);

C) Taken by a friend or relative of the subject (provide a link if possible).

Neither subject, author, nor friend/relative have the desire to retain any copyright. Pghmedicine (talk) 01:06, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Pghmedicine! For an image being uploaded by the person who took it, use {{self|cc-by-sa-4.0}} on Wikimedia Commons. The easiest way to do that is to just follow the upload wizard (commons:Special:UploadWizard). Best, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:27, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

From the point of view of licensing, it makes no difference what the relationship is between the photographer and the subject, unless there is a legal agreement between them that assigns the copyright. In the absence of such an agreement, the copyright belongs to the photographer (whether that is the subject, somebody known to them, or a random person who snapped them) and only the owner of the copyright has the power to license the image. ColinFine (talk) 08:36, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pghmedicine:Even if none of them have a desire to retain the copyright, the photographer will retain the copyright until such time as he or she does something to release it. We can't know what anyone's desires are otherwise! The answers from @Sdkb and @ColinFine are spot-on. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 10:51, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Pictures copyright question.

Hello several months ago, i was referred to somewhere regarding copyright questions about photographs. I forget where...help? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 10:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria: Please see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:03, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: Thank you! Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 11:17, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there a faster way to make articles?

Is there a way to make articles that do not need to go through the AfC/draft process? Blocky44 (talk) 02:20, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

For editors who have only recently joined, and are attempting their first article, as you are at the so-far unsubmitted Draft:DS Tucanae Ab, it is advised to go through AfC. Yes, there is a backlog that could mean weeks to months before it is reviewed. Skipping that and moving the draft into mainspace means that it goes to the New Pages Patrol, where a reviewer might decide to accept, bounce it back to draft, Speedy delete or start an Articles for Deletion process. David notMD (talk) 02:28, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Blocky44. For almost all the accounts active for four days or more, and with ten or more edits, the AfC process is entirely optional. Such editors can move their draft content or sandbox content to the main space of the encyclopedia without advance review or approval. However, these articles are scrutinized by the New Page Patrollers, and articles that are out of compliance with Policies and guidelines are usually deleted quite quickly. Writing articles that are policy compliant is much more important than writing articles quickly. Cullen328 (talk) 03:23, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

So, how would an autoconfirmed user bypass the AfC process? Blocky44 (talk) 03:51, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

See WP:MOVE. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 04:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Blocky44, see WP:MOVE. You would simply move the content from your draft or sandbox space to the main space of the encyclopedia, and the New Pages Patrollers will evaluate it. Be sure that it is policy compliant first. Cullen328 (talk) 04:19, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you Blocky44 (talk) (contribs) 04:30, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Blocky44 Drafts are reviewed in no particular order, obvious ones can be accepted within minutes of submission, you have however not submitted Draft:DS Tucanae Ab for review yet? Theroadislong (talk) 10:48, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

To elaborate, there are ~3,000 drafts at AfC. It is not a queue. Reviewers look at titles that catch their eye. Conscientious editors also eyeball the older submittals. An editor put a submittal template on your draft. You decide. David notMD (talk) 11:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

What changes required in my Article to get Approval.

Hi TeaHouse, What changes required in my Article to get Approval. Could you please help me out in this. Here is the draft for your reference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hamstech_College_of_Creative_Education Farooq80 (talk) 12:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Farooq80, perhaps the problem is epitomized in: With its motto of “Learn.Believe.Create.”, the institute nurtures creative youth who wish to pursue non-conventional careers and provides industry-centric training to them in order to help them excel in their respective professional fields. This sounds to me like routine corporate ad copy. Wikipedia is not a conduit for PR puffery; it's an encyclopedia. Just what do reliable sources (which must of course be disinterested) say about this place? Summarize what they say and attribute it. -- Hoary (talk) 13:30, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Farooa80, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid the answer is, "Throw most of it away, and start again with independent sources". Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. I haven't looked at your sources themselves, but judging from the citations it looks to me as if not a single one meets that description.

I feel I must ask - what is your connection with the College? Usually people who come to Wikipedia and almost immediately create a highly promotional article about an organisation are connected with, if not employed by the institution. If you are, you should read conflict of interest, and make your connection clear. Further, if you are in any way paid by the college, you must make a formal declaration of this: see paid editing ColinFine (talk) 13:33, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Something weird in the mobile app

I'm QuickQuokka (No access to account currently), and I noticed a very weird thing about the mobile app while browsing the r/Ani_bm subreddit.

The Hebrew article for Carl Friedrich Gauß displays File:Mike Wazowski.png at the top. As you can see, it is not mentioned in the source code of the Hebrew article, and doesn't have file usage on any wiki according to Commons. Would upload a screenshot, but don't have privileges, as I'm logged out. 212.39.89.223 (talk) 04:48, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

This is a reddit image, but I checked and it's true: https://i.redd.it/g3743sjwjdq81.jpg 212.39.89.223 (talk) 04:51, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi QuickQuokka, it appears to be fixed on Hebrew wiki already and I've tagged the file on commons for deletion (hopefully I used the right template, not so familiar with commons stuff) Justiyaya 05:55, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Though I can't find the version of the article you mentioned... Justiyaya 06:24, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Justiyaya: Hmmm... You said it's fixed, but I still see it. 212.39.89.155 (talk) 08:37, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I can't see the "File usage on other wikis" section there so I assumed it was fixed, pinging DGtal because I think he probably knows much much more about this Justiyaya 08:50, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: d:Q6722 212.39.89.155 (talk) 10:23, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

The whole story is a result of a now reverted massive vandalism of the Carl Friedrich Gauß wikidata item. It was already reverted by the time I checked it and the display should be OK again the moment you refresh or, if required, clean your memory cache. DGtal (talk) 09:05, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Justiyaya 09:27, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Confirming this QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 14:01, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk page? Secret edits?

Draft:Jusaburō Tsujimura

Hi! I'm new on Wikipedia, (about a week old?) I made an account because artists I am interested in often do not have wikipedia articles. I have submitted four drafts – some of which I will return to and without being accepted or denied, there will be edits added and suggestions made, but with no username attached or any way to follow up. Is this something these editors will see if I follow up on their comments? Are there some (social?) implications I am missing when someone edits and comments in the code of an Article without approving or denying it?

(example above – I said that Tsujimura worked at "the Ningyōza puppet theatre" I came back to the draft and saw a footnote that said "vague," when I went to edit the page it said "vague | which Ningyōza?" I edited the sentence to be more general, but I don't know who left this comment, and made some more helpful/general edits on my draft)

I also more generally cannot quite understand my Talk page or how it functions? Any tips? Chainsawpunk (talk) 16:02, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @Chainsawpunk! Those footnotes you're referring to were added by Hoary, a fellow content creator who helped my first draft get published, actually. For communication with users, you can resort to talk pages for public discussion and interaction. For more information, you can check out Help:Talk pages and Wikipedia:User pages. If you have questions for Hoary (or any future user), you can either ask them on their personal talk page at User talk:Hoary, or you can begin a new discussion at Draft talk:Jusaburō Tsujimura, where you can ping Hoary there (using the code "{{u|Username here}}". Panini! • 🥪 16:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

(Side note, I figured out who made the comments via the article's history. If you look to the top right near the search bar there should be a "View history" tab, where you can see all changes made to an article alongside links to other cool statistics.) Panini! • 🥪 16:21, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

You have a Talk page, as does each article and draft. As Panini wrote, View history shows who has edited articles and drafts, in chronological order. A green number means that there was a net addition to the draft (the person may have added and deleted content, but combined, more added). Red number means content cut. Clicking on prev shows what was changed. Clicking on the date shows what the article looks like after the edit. In addition, on drafts, some editors choose to leave a Comment at the top. The intent there is for the draft reviewer to see what concerned the comment maker. Do not reply there. Instead, address issue in draft or on Talk page. When a draft is accepted by a reviewer, that person removes all the Comments. David notMD (talk) 20:47, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Or a little more precisely: When a draft is accepted by a reviewer, the reviewer virtually always does this as part of a complex but semi-automated process, as part of which every comment made at the top of the draft by any reviewer is deleted. If the reviewer (more or less perversely) doesn't use the semi-automated process, then they should "manually" remove any comment. (However, any comment on the draft's talk page is conserved, as the draft's talk page is transformed into the article's talk page.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:36, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Chainsawpunk: I said that Tsujimura worked at "the Ningyōza puppet theatre" I came back to the draft and saw a footnote that said "vague," when I went to edit the page it said "vague The Japanese word ningyō means doll(s) or puppet(s), and the Japanese word ningyōza means puppet theatre(s), or perhaps puppet theatre troupe(s). A puppet theatre/troupe in a Japanese context usually means bunraku (though there is, or has been, at least one showing dramas via puppets operated by strings, and thus not bunraku). More bunraku theatres are called bunrakugekijō than are called ningyōza. In Japanese script, there's no orthographic distinction analogous to that between "theatre" (a common noun) and "Theatre" (part of a name) in English. (Chainsawpunk, you'll know all of this; but the others here probably won't.) The only place calling itself ningyōza these days is, I think, the one in Awaji; though I could be wrong. However, the mid-1950s weren't 2022, and the draft seemed to imply that Tsujimura moved to Tokyo where he got a job at some ningyōza. Back then, I believe that there were ningyōza in Osaka, in Tokushima (more often termed Awa (no) deku/deko, 阿波(の)木偶), and a few elsewhere -- perhaps one in or near Tokyo, though I don't know offhand. Even with today's shinkansen, one doesn't commute between Tokyo and Awaji (or indeed Tokushima, or, if one is sane, Osaka). So I wondered which ningyōza this could have been. Incidentally, Duckduckgo reveals that "Fujinami Company" is almost certainly Fujinami Kodōgu (藤浪小道具). Hope something here helps! -- Hoary (talk) 23:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

It helps a lot!!! Thank you so much. I'm going to fiddle with the wording a bit today and re-edit. I appreciate your help very much. Chainsawpunk (talk) 14:35, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

copyrighted content

hi- I submitted an article for creation and it was rejected for copyrighted content. The content is part of the researcher's biosketch and he uses the same wording on several platforms. How do I get it published on Wikipedia if it will be repeatedly found as similar text in other locations? Mfahey sralab (talk) 14:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Mfahey sralab Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You shouldn't be simply transferring any content from this biosketch; you should be summarizing what independent reliable sources say about Richard Lieber. 331dot (talk) 14:48, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Mfahey sralab. To enlarge on what 331dot said, there are two separate problems here. One is that you must not copy copyright material (including anything which has been published) unless it has been released under a suitable licence. But in any case, a subjects own bio is almost certainly not appropriate for an encyclopaedia article about them. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

how to get an page of a person thats not listed on wikipedia?

please let me know TheInternetContributer (talk) 15:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

TheInternetContributer Hello and welcome. I think you are asking how to create a new Wikipedia article about a person? Creating a new article is the hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. It is usually recommended that one first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles in areas that interest you, so that you learn more about how Wikipedia works and what is expected of article content. Using the new user tutorial is also very helpful. Both of these things will greatly increase your chances of success in creating a new article and lead to less frustration.

If you would still like to create a new article now, you will first need to review the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person to see if this person you want to write about meets it. If they do, you should gather at least three independent reliable sources that give the person significant coverage on their own(that are not an interview or brief mention of the person) so that you can summarize them in a draft. You may start the process of creating a draft at Articles for Creation(new users cannot directly create new articles). Please also read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 16:04, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

USS Minnesota BB-22 page question

Hello! I was reading up on this new submarine (USS Minnesota (BB-22)) and had a question about the statement in the first sentence that, "USS Minnesota (BB-22), the fifth of six Connecticut-class pre-dreadnought battleships, was the first ship of the United States Navy in honor of the 32nd state.". I think this is inaccurate. There was an earlier ship named Minnesota during the US Civil War that fought at the Battle of Hampton Roads in 1862. More information here: USS Minnesota (1855). Any questions, please let me know. Thanks! 67.45.96.42 (talk) 16:56, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please direct concerns about an article to its associated talk page, in this case Talk:USS Minnesota (BB-22). 331dot (talk) 17:01, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

According to USS_Minnesota_(1855) that ship was named after a river, not the state. RudolfRed (talk) 17:02, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Can Anyone Help Me Out in Making An Wikipedia Page Of A Person who is already famous and verified on social media and hass many articles about him!

Please help TheInternetContributer (talk) 16:23, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@TheInternetContributer, I have moved your query from the talk page to this one, which is the correct place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. As for your query, which article do you want to make? See Help:Your first article, which is a guide for creating articles. Kpddg ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:36, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Please note that having verified social media account is irrelevant, and being famous does not necessarily equate with being notable. Theroadislong (talk) 16:53, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Verified on social media doesn't help at all. Read WP:BASIC. What are the best 3-5 sources demanded per that guideline you can think of? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:38, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

See also the reply tou had at Wikipedia:Teahouse#how_to_get_an_page_of_a_person_thats_not_listed_on_wikipedia?. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:40, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

My first article

Alright, so I decided to simply make my very first Wikipedia article, it is on a man who is mentioned in the town of Standerton in South Africa and the man is a friend of mines ancestor, I got a portrait of him and some info, but my trouble is linking the sources in the right places, because I put them in the end Joshua Izaak Aronson (talk) 13:28, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Joshua and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, you have embarked on one of the most difficult tasks there is for a new editor, and I would advise you to put the project on one side for a few months while you learn how Wikipedia works by improving some of our six million existing articles. But in answer to your question, Referencing for beginners is a guide, and if you haven't read it already, I recommend you start with Your first article. ColinFine (talk) 13:36, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

If you really need to submit some articles, perharp a wp:AFC is also very helpful. Pavlov2 (talk) 14:00, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: Joshua Izaak Aronson —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:09, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

WRONG PLACE. Your User page is for a bit of information about you. Use WP:YFA to create a draft, and when ready, submit it to Articles for Creation for a Reviewer to decide. Help:Referencing for beginners explains how to format references and insert those into the text. The software automatically provides superscripted numbers and puts the refs in the References section. Most important - if there are not published articles about this person, to cite as references, then no hope. David notMD (talk) 17:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Standerton exists as an article. Notable people are listed, notable meaning that there is a Wikipedia article about each. Those could be models for what you hope to accomplish. David notMD (talk) 17:47, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Fandom

Is Fandom.com basically "encyclopedias within an encyclopedia" in which, as I've noticed, even TV shows have their own separate "wikis" on the website and heavily detailed articles that would otherwise not be considered notable enough to have their own articles on Wikipedia? I've noticed that due to Wikipedia seemingly any website on the Internet that has the word "wiki" in it is pretty much an encyclopedia-like website. Hgh1985 (talk) 04:47, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Hgh1985 and welcome to the teahouse! this is not the place to ask about Fandom, but sure I'll answer: it's basically a wiki hosting service for basically anything, so stuff that won't make it to wikipedia may make it to a fandom wiki if someone decided to add it in. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 05:12, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hgh1985: Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikis are in general just sites where users are able to contribute freely (for the most part) to pages. They don't have to be encyclopedias, though the software gears itself towards that use. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:32, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Are people here allowed to import content from there? I would not think so because what would the citation be? Blocky44 (talk) (contribs) 16:12, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Blocky44 Per WP:USERG, Fandom is mostly useless for WP-purposes in itself, but it's not impossible they can have useful sources. A decent wiki can be an acceptable External link, like at James_T._Kirk#External_links. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

editing the info box - my first article - draft: Merry Moor Winnett

I have located another reference for the specific death date for the subject (person). Today I added the obituary to the references. I am wondering how to add the date of death to the information box at the top of the article. Currently the info box has the year, 1994. The date is October 17, 1994. Aged 42. The reference is number 21. Do I just click on the info box and attempt to type? Thanks. Photocher Photocher (talk) 16:01, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

In the template {{Death date and age}} simply change "1994" to "1994|10|17". Deor (talk) 16:59, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Photocher: Forgot to ping. Deor (talk) 17:25, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done, @Photocher:, @Deor:. I have been doing some futher research on this and could see the infobox had not been updated, so fixed it whilst the tabs were open. Thanks.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 18:19, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Photocher Photocher (talk) 19:11, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

GA reviewing difficulty

Hi everyone!

I recently picked up the article Möbius strip for a GA review. As soon as I looked at the article, I felt pretty confident that it did not meet the GA criteria, but I thought that I would try to work through the issues with the nominator (David Eppstein) to see if it could be sufficiently improved. From the beginning, however, David Eppstein responded badly to my suggestions and refused to make many proposed edits. Eventually, I was frustrated and decided that I couldn't do the serious overhaul that the article needed if Eppstein wasn't going to cooperate, so I decided to just fail the article instead. This triggered a string of angry messages, which I responded to as best as I could, but culminated in David Eppstein threatening to report me to an admin.

At the moment, David Eppstein has immediately renominated his article - which is frustrating for me, because I feel like it invalidates my perspective as a reviewer and I truly believe that the article does not meet the GA criteria at the moment. He also posted a notice spreading the news of my "bad behavior" to other editors. Although I have been editing Wikipedia for several years, I have never been involved in such a serious conflict, and I'm not quite sure how to respond and defend myself. Does anyone know where I should go from here?

Mover of molehills (talk) 17:14, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I'd suggest you re-look at your work. You shut down the review over your personal feelings, not the article content. If you can not work well with others who may be critical of your review, then GA is not the place you should be spending your time.Slywriter (talk) 17:25, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mover of molehills: Reading the review, it seems that everything was going fine with some civil back-and-forth on the suggested edits. I don't understand why you think the author was not responding well or why you jumped to failing the review. I suggest you discuss it at Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_nominations where other editors familiar with the GA review process can weigh in. RudolfRed (talk) 17:29, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. Perhaps David Eppstein could have been more diplomatic in questioning your close, but I can see why he was annoyed – the initial close seems to come out of the blue and doesn't properly explain why the article does not reach GA standard. And his conduct in the review before the close seems to have been perfectly polite and his explanations for why he didn't want to make some of the proposed edits appear well-reasoned. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 17:54, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Where you should go from here is do nothing. David Eppstein is within his rights to resubmit a failed GA. I myself have recently done so twice, each time succeeding with the next reviewer. From a look at Eppstein's User page, appears he has brought more than 30 articles to GA, so he may have been irate as your choice to terminate, but that does not matter. You go your way, he goes his, he may or may not succeed at the new attempt. David notMD (talk) 18:03, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, all of this feedback is useful. Personally, I still feel that the review deserved to be determinated because the article does not meet the GA criteria, but I understand why David Eppstein felt I was being too abrupt. I just hope that he does not spread too much criticism of me on the forums. Mover of molehills (talk) 18:06, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I hope this does not put you off from being a GA reviewer. We need as many as possible. David notMD (talk) 18:10, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

At the moment, David Eppstein has immediately renominated his article - which is frustrating for me, because I feel like it invalidates my perspective as a reviewer and I truly believe that the article does not meet the GA criteria at the moment. I can understand how this could be frustrating, but it's basically how the process works. See the second-last question at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations/FAQ. In my experience, there's a lot of variance in how different reviewers (and nominators) interpret the GA criteria. I think the "understandable to an appropriately broad audience" part of WP:GACR's 1a is very important, and you provided some good feedback in that area, but I do think you're interpreting the criterion more strictly than an average reviewer would. My overall suggestion would be to put this review behind you and move on. Colin M (talk) 18:13, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Your comments led to some genuine improvements in the article that will, I think, materially increase its accessibility to non-experts. That's good! I second the suggestions above: take this as a learning experience, move on, and try another GA review when you feel up to it. If you do, I'd suggest sampling the other GA's in the subject area of the one you choose to get a sense of how the community has interpreted the GA criteria in that area. That might help prevent wires from getting crossed. Cheers, XOR'easter (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Using a Government written biography as a source?

Hi there! I submitted a biography about a notable person for review and it was rejected due to the content feeling like it was "written by a fan".

I understand completely where the feedback is coming from and why it was rejected. The wording used in the draft came from a government written biography (as a part of the award the notable person received) and thus I am assuming they did their research, my questions is... how can I use the government bio as a source? or do I need to reference the sources that they used in their biography?

Here is the link to the draft page if it's helpful: Draft:Geoffrey Lorigan

Thanks in advance, let me know if any other information is required.

Ealder3301 (talk) 01:01, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ealder3301, when a group gives an award, what they write is focused on the wonderfulness of the person and they write in that way. An encyclopedia article is not the same thing. It has to be neutral and also has to be completely written in your own words, not copied from what someone else has written. At the bottom of the award web page it says "Copyright 2022 Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet". Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously for legal reasons. You can use the bio as a source for information; in that way it is fine as a reference. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:15, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarifications, I will re-write/update accordingly :) Ealder3301 (talk) 20:20, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

What to do if I find someone I suspect keeps failing to adhere to WP:NPOV?

There is a controversial article under discretionary sanctions where someone keeps reverting edits from other users. I suspected a biased view from the user, and my suspicions only grew when I went to the user's page and found this comment they had made: "Unfortunately, I probably can not edit neutrally this subject. This is really a killer. Here is my perception of these events:" (then they proceed with a poem about it basically saying what they think about the subject). Is there anything I can do about this? What is the proper way to follow? Thanks in advance. --AdrianHObradors (talk) 20:32, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Could you provide the article link, so we might be able to look it over? Thanks! Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, it is War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Highly controversial theme. --AdrianHObradors (talk) 20:36, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I see the user you're referring to. Are you familiar with the bold, revert, discuss cycle? If an edit is made by A, and B reverts it, A should now suggest the edit on the Talk Page. If that discussion goes nowhere, and there is no consensus, there are then methods of dispute resolution, such as 3O, RfC, and others. The fact that the user made that comment about neutrality seems not applicable here. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I was not familiar, I will read upon it and apply it, thank you. By the way, unrelated, but I don't get notifications when someone replies to me on talk pages. Have I gotten a setting wrong or is there anything I can change so I do get them? Thank you! AdrianHObradors (talk) 20:46, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

You are pinged when someone tags you like this @AdrianHObradors:. I can't recall if there's a notification setting for replies without a ping (anyone else?), but of course you can add Talk Pages or The Teahouse to your watchlist, and monitor that way. Also, regarding the other editor, if one editor is truly being disruptive and refuses to cooperate with other editors, there are user warnings, and ANI that might be applicable. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:53, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @Pyrrho the Skipper, you have been very helpful. And yes, that was the way I was doing it, I was just wondering if there was an easier way that I had overlooked.

And that article is a very difficult subject, very prone to strong biased feelings. Either way I hope everything can be resolved on the talk pages, and I will make use of the resources you have provided. Thanks again! AdrianHObradors (talk) 21:04, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft article: a major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject

Hello, can someone explain why there is a concern about a close connection to the subject of the draft-article, and how to solve this? CollinsSr (talk) 12:18, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

CollinsSr Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I assume this is about Draft:Mario Kleff There are various clues that suggest you have an association with the subject. If you do, that should be declared, see WP:COI and WP:PAID. If submitted for review and accepted, that will address the tag. 331dot (talk) 12:24, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. I'm curious about the clues because it can not be, and there is no payment. Maybe it's about the writing style... I'll go over and review the sources to not violate the copyrights. CollinsSr (talk) 14:40, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

CollinsSr Even if you are not paid, do you have an association with Mr. Kleff? 331dot (talk) 14:44, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

CollinsSr New accounts which have as their only activity the creation of an article about a living (or dead) person are often asked if there is a personal or paid connection. If neither, then a statement to that effect on your Talk page is sufficient. You do seen to have some knowledge of obscure facts about Kleff (his interest in motorcycles) which hint at a connection. David notMD (talk) 15:19, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I have just discussed this matter and it seems that even a friend of a friend can be considered a close connection. In truth, I am from Pattaya, but without direct connection to the subject. And believe that his crazy motorcycles are well known in this region. So there is nothing special or hard to find out. I have also read log files and discussion on Wikipedia and found the judgement over the top. This person has really made interesting things here in the city, and in my opinion deserves to be mentioned. But again, pershabs I am the wrong person... CollinsSr (talk) 15:48, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

CollinsSr Your connection, as described above, is distant enough that in my opinion does not rise to COI. Please state as much on your Talk page and proceed. As for the motorcycle metion, if it is important enough in your opinion to be in the Infobox then it deserves a referenced sentence or two in the article, perhaps under a created Personal life section that could also include the legal fracas of his owning leopards. Neither topic would contribute to establishing his notability, but would provide color. David notMD (talk) 17:40, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

CollinsSr - could you please elaborate upon your comments above: "I have just discussed this matter and it seems that..." and "I have also read log files and discussion on Wikipedia and found the judgement over the top". With whom did you discuss, and what/where are the log files and discussions and judgement you are relating to? Thank you.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:43, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_176#Mario_Kleff for background on this. MrOllie (talk) 02:40, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. I will do some more homework on what is considered notable. CollinsSr (talk) 03:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your input MrOllie - I was involved with this and other associated articles, and I was interested to know with whom a new editor had been conferring, and how the "judgement" had been located, etc, as queried, but is without response from the OP.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 12:43, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I understand now better notability associated with content and independent and reliable sources. Therefore, an article about a living person requires deeper research. CollinsSr (talk) 11:30, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

CollinsSr, could you please answer Rocknrollmancer's questions above: "With whom did you discuss, and what/where are the log files and discussions and judgement you are relating to?" Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:30, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Flickr

So I have historically tried adding some photos OF other objects (a box of [[Cheerios]] for example) and the image gets reverted because of alleged "copyright violation." I thought that if you take a picture of something, maybe you need to leave enough background or what have you, but if it isn't for commercial purposes, and I am NOT claiming it is MY work... then I am in the grounds of "fair use"? Please do not direct me to some other links, as it is fairly complicated, and I'd love it if an expert could help actually explain this in laymans terms to me. Also, I created a Flickr account because someone told me that that is a better/easier way to do what I am trying to do (upload images of stuff in my home that is helpful to the encyclopedia when and where appropriate). Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 20:39, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Th78blue. Image copyright policy is very complex, but I will try to keep it simple. First of all, Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons are stringent about copyright, and many other websites are much more lenient. The graphic design of the box of Cheerios is copyrighted and so use of any photo you take of that box of cereal is restricted by the manufacturer's copyright. When you take a photo of the natural world and utilitarian objects, you own the copyright and can freely license it if you want. But when you take a photo of anything that is a creative work from the last 95 years (in most cases), the creator of that work also has a copyright interest. This applies to most packaged commercial products, sculptures, paintings, posters, logos, book and video covers and the like. Think of any image as being either "free" or "non-free". Free images are those that have been freely licensed or those that are free of copyright, usually because the copyright has expired. Any free image can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, and used freely by anyone. Non-free images must be uploaded to Wikipedia, and are subject to stringent limitations on their usage. Cullen328 (talk) 21:18, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

For a chart showing which Flikr licenses are acceptable on Wikimedia Commons, please see Wikipedia:Upload/Flickr. Cullen328 (talk) 21:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess where I get confused is that if you look at a page like Coca-Cola for instance, you will see lots of instances of Coke imagery that is shared. How is that possible? I want to be able to use and share copywritten logos like that, but obviously I want to follow the rules/protocol and not infringe on any copyright laws... Thank you. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 19:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Completely restarting someone elses draft?

There is currently an existing Draft for the mobile game BitLife (Draft:BitLife), which is quite poorly written (loads of trivial details, almost no references, not encylopedia style) and has been rejected a few times. I believe that this game is notable enough for a Wikipedia article, is it appropriate for me to completely clear the current draft and start over, including the "submission declined" notices? Thank you! ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 09:52, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Notcharizard Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft was only declined, not rejected- rejected would mean resubmission is not possible. You are welcome to edit and or rewrite the draft, but the prior notices need to remain. 331dot (talk) 09:57, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

The creating editor has not edited since February 2021, so feel free to discard as much of the content as you wish, and replace it. Leave the existing declines. But you can either add a Comment above the draft that you have done a massive makeover, or state same on Talk page of the draft. After you submit it to AfC it will be judged on what you created, with no prejudice because of prior declines, as long as it is clear that major changes have been made. David notMD (talk) 11:50, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Maproom and I cut the draft by 90%. David notMD (talk) 11:56, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much all for your help! ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 23:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I write something into my own words?

Okay, so I’m answering some questions on a google doc then I came up to a question that says “How do I put something into my own words” it came up with Step 1: In this one I wrote “ thinking of a different word but with the same meaning”

Step 2: In this one I wrote “ writing a sentence with different words (but with the same meaning)

Step 3: but for this one I don’t know what to put! could I please have some help with this!! oh and sorry that I asked this question but I thought Wikipedia teahouse would help. Thanks 😊 ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜 - TigerTurtle (talk) 23:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a question about Wikipedia? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:57, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

As Casualdejekyll has already pointed out to you, TigerTurtle, this "teahouse" is for asking about working with/on Wikipedia. Google Docs are not Wikipedia (and you still don't seem to have attempted to improve any article here). -- Hoary (talk) 00:04, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I’m sorry but I have to work from home and I just wanted help 😢😢

Please forgive me!

Sorry again 😭- TigerTurtle (talk) 00:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh and I’m known for saying sorry a lot so sorry for saying sorry a lot 😢

Thanks 😊 - TigerTurtle (talk) 00:23, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Not sure how to edit..

I’m not really sure how to edit one of the articles I saw because I see some sentences that I want Tao change a bit but it’s not letting me have the option to edit! Can I please have some help with it? Thanks 😊 ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜- TigerTurtle (talk) 19:55, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

TigerTurtle Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Some articles are protected from editing by newer accounts or IP users in order to prevent disruption or vandalism. If you would like to edit an article but cannot, please post on its associated talk page. For example, the talk page for the Joe Biden article is Talk:Joe Biden. There should be a link to the article talk page at the top of the article(in Desktop mode, at least). There you can post what exactly you would like to do. If you mark your comment as a formal edit request(click for instructions) other editors will be more likely to see it. 331dot (talk) 19:59, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

You need to provide the article name. David notMD (talk) 21:28, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hype house

- TigerTurtle (talk) 23:37, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

TigerTurtle, neither The Hype House nor Hype House (TV series) are protected, you should probably be able to edit there. just click the edit button at the top, or the [ edit ] link at each section to start editing. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:27, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Can I change my user name?

Hello 😊! im just wondering if I can change my username! Thanks 😊 - TigerTurtle (talk) 00:25, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

hi TigerTurtle! instructions for that would be over at Changing username. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:29, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@TigerTurtle: There's more information at Wikipedia:Changing username, but for recent accounts that haven't made very many edits and were recently made, it's probably faster to abandon it and create a new one. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:30, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia ads

What is Wikipedia ads? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:2C4E:D1BD:CA48:8F45 (talk) 01:04, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user and welcome to the teahouse! wikipedia ads are just fun little banner ads that display policy reminders, wikiprojects, and such. they're not actually paid ads, those are disallowed. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

What can I do about immature editors?

A recent change I made was misunderstood by wikipedia editors, and now I am experiencing their wrath. I won't go into details due to fear of further retaliation, but I am quite certain that I am screwed by the inexperienced. Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. Lord Milner (talk) 23:33, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Possibly this is about, or related to, this. (Though Deor and I are both fairly experienced.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:40, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

To say nothing of other senses, I have a strong feeling that in the "aged" sense of mature I surpass Lord Milner to a considerable degree. And if your user name is at all appropriate, you probably do, too. Deor (talk) 23:56, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Lord Milner: without knowing what you're referring to, how can we provide "prompt attention"? Remember that Wikipedia is a collaboration. There are many editors and there are guidelines and policies that can be violated by those editors, of course, but no one editor is "better" than another, or more mature. All voices have merit here, for the most part. You are welcome to share the details, and we will be happy to look into the dispute and offer guidance. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Lord Milner Teahouse hosts cant help you if you dont provide the info (preferably hist diff provided). Cassiopeia talk 00:03, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

courtesy ping for an attempted failed ping fix: @Lord Milner 💜  melecie  talk - 00:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

• Lord Milner, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I’m afraid this question would require a diff(link to the action) that shows their “immaturity” which brings us to the question of how you quantify or ascertain maturity, or, the lack of it. Per your question the first step is always WP:COMMUNICATION, but since you haven’t provide a diff, at this juncture there isn’t much we can do to aid you. Celestina007 (talk) 00:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
• Please say your country of origin. Lord Milner (talk) 02:02, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

  Lord Milner You need to provide hist diff for Teahouse hosts to answer your question. Country of origin of the Teahouse hosts is not the matter here. Cassiopeia talk 02:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

  Hi Lord Milner. It's not clear what anyone's country of origin has to do with what's being discussed here, but perhaps the "problem" you're having is related to this question you asked earlier at the Teahouse. As was suggested in that thread, it would've probably been better for you to be WP:CAUTIOUS and discuss the reasons why you want to WP:MOVE the article Era of Good Feelings on its corresponding talk page and seek consensus for the page move. Sometimes it's acceptable to WP:BOLDly move a page to a new title, but other times not so much as explained here and here. Since your page move was reverted that makes it contentious and the WP:ONUS now falls upon you to establish a consensus in favor of the move. Pages moved without discussion may be reverted so that the move can be properly discussed. This has nothing to do with an editor being immature or where they come from, but everything to do with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:20, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

About the band Genesis

I see the page about the English band, Genesis. Shouldn't they be considered past tense since they played their last show last week in London? It starts out as "...are an English rock band formed at...". I figured it should be "were an English band." Jason 72 (talk) 02:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Genesis (band) 💜  melecie  talk - 02:32, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

This may be under discussion at Talk:Genesis (band) already, Jason72. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 04:18, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

How to backdate a signature?

Last week I took a content dispute to talk, and forgot to sign.  Is there a simple way to backdate a signature to match the history log date?  Or should I do it manually?  Necessary because I must show good faith effort to discuss, before I "obvert" to my bold contribution. Regards, Jaredscribe (talk) 23:57, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Jaredscribe and welcome to the teahouse! three tildes adds the signature without the timestamp, and you can probably combine that with the timestamp on the history log (formatted MM:SS, DD Month YYYY (UTC)) to properly sign your comment. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:03, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you that answers my question. In the meantime, I have written a new essay WP:Obvert and invite you to make constructive suggestions and / or cite it when fending off ignorant Wikipedia:WikiKnights. Jaredscribe (talk) 04:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

someone please help in publishing this page Draft:Saurabh Vaibhav

I'm a newbie here learning day by day from my mistakes can someone please help with this article (Draft:Saurabh Vaibhav) Koundinyajayanth (talk) 06:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

hi Koundinyajayanth and welcome to the teahouse! your main goal here now is to find reliable, independent sources that state that Vaibhav does indeed meet the notability guidelines for music and musicians. I'd also like to note that one of the sources you used is a Wikipedia article, Sonu Ke Titu Ki Sweety, which is not allowed due to being user-generated content. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 07:56, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Image manipulation

Okay, okay, this is going to be incredibly pedantic. I was just looking at University of Bristol and noticed in the alumni section that the picture of Paul Dirac is a mirror image of that used on the article about Dirac. The two are exactly identical, the picture having been mirror-imaged, which is acknowledged in the picture's name at Commons, but not in Bristol University where it's used. The Dirac article is the correct way round.
Should we be using mirror images like this? It is, ultimately, a manipulation with no justification. The risks are small but real: some people do not have perfect facial symmetry; many people part their hair asymmetrically. Musicians adopt asymmetric postures to play their instruments, and the question of whether someone was using their right hand or left to sign a historic treaty might matter. I feel we should not be reversing the photo because it is no longer an unbiased view of Paul Dirac. In the case of Dirac, he's a fairly symmetrical bloke, neither hand is visible and he's not doing anything except smiling at something to the right (or left!) of the photographer. But if we do it with him, at what point do we declare that Enid Smith's left ear is bigger than her right ear, so we can't flip her picture? Better to avoid the whole flipping problem by not doing it.
I'm raising it here rather than Commons because it's the usage that is the problem. If someone wants to write about the relationship between theoretical physicists and their mirror images, they're most welcome to put the illustrations in Commons. But I don't think we should be showing people the wrong way round unless it's required by the context, and made clear. Elemimele (talk) 16:31, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

MOS:IMAGES#Editing images says, Images should not be changed in ways that materially mislead the viewer. For example, images showing artworks, faces, identifiable places or buildings, or text should not be reversed (although those showing soap bubbles or bacteria might be). Deor (talk) 16:51, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Elemimele: Forgot to ping. Deor (talk) 17:24, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Deor: I'm as daft as a brush, sometimes I forget to look in the most likely places. Thank you for that. I'll check back at University of Bristol and change the pic to the right-way-round, if no one has already done so. Elemimele (talk) 08:25, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Is Meena Aryan or Dravidian?

Is Meena Aryan or Dravidian? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 09:44, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda, try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:49, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Karsan Chanda, the archives of this page will show that you have been repeatedly reminded that this page is for questions about editing and using Wikipedia, and not for questions about Indian history, etc. -- Hoary (talk) 09:54, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Speedy delete a Bulgarian article

My idiot classsmate made a page called bg:Европейска литература, and it is pure vandalism. It should be speedily deleted, but I do not know how to do so in the Bulgarian wiki. 93.123.119.139 (talk) 10:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

You will want to ask on the Bulgarian Wikipedia using whatever forum they have to do so. We can only help with issues here on the English Wikipedia. All language versions of Wikipedia are separate from each other. 331dot (talk) 10:56, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

...and the page was auto-deleted by the bot PSS 9, so nothing to worry about, ip user. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 11:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Question with the article Ehelepola Nilame

A question. The article's subject's name was, at this revision, given as Ehelapola Senevirathne Senanayake Chandrathilake Wijesundara Dissanayake Amarakoon Wasala Panditha Mudiyanse and an IP changed it to Ehelepola Wijesundara Wickramasinghe Chandrasekera Amarakoon. I tried searching Google and Google Books but couldn't find any reliable source to support either (most if not all results I got were taken from Wikipedia itself). Can someone try finding a source and citing it? If not, what must be done? —Svārtava (t/u) • 11:52, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Svartava, I suggest that you ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sri Lanka. -- Hoary (talk) 12:06, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Hoary, thanks for the quick response. I have one more question: in usual cases like this (not this or any one specifically), where the original creator added an article with any particular detail (like name in this case) without a direct inline citation and another editor changed that detail, also without a citation; then, is it supposed to be simply removed? —Svārtava (t/u) • 12:25, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Svartava, I'd remove it. If anyone objected, I'd tell them that the onus was on them to provide good evidence by which the material could be verified. (NB I haven't really answered your question; somebody else is welcome to try.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:30, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Problem replacing picture

John Brown Farm State Historic Site - the picture in the infobox is black and white. If you click on it you'll get the color version, which I just uploaded to commons. But the thumbnail will not display in color. deisenbe (talk) 11:33, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

It's a caching issue. But worse than that, please don't upload colourized versions over an original B/W version. It needs to be uploaded as a separate image. I'm going to revert it back to the B/W version. Please upload it again and reference that version from Wikipedia. - X201 (talk) 11:45, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Deisenbe, per File:John Brown's grave - 1896 S R Stoddard.jpg it seems you were reverted. Also, I think there is some opposition around to use color versions of bw:s, but I don't know if there's any written guidance somewhere or just local consensus. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

It's the Commons overwrite rules, only small colour changes are allowed. Going from B/W to Colour isn't a small change. It's because Commons images are used on multiple wikis, one single change there can have massive implications. - X201 (talk) 13:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

It isn't colorized. The color version is the original. But I will upload it separately. deisenbe (talk) 12:44, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Deisenbe Understood. If a similar problem should occur, try WP:BYPASS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Citing Data Sources

Hello! I'm wondering how I would go about citing some data? I had just previously translated a graph from German and I was thinking that providing a source to the data of the graph would be really useful. The data in question is from Introduction to Time Series and Forecasting by Brockwell & Davis and, as far as I know, the data itself does not have a DOI link. In this case, should I cite the textbook itself or something different? Moon motif (talk) 12:33, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Moon motif, if this is a book, cite the book, with the relevant page number(s). -- Hoary (talk) 14:01, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia library

Hello, sorry I have not been able to do much as a Teahouse host and now I am asking a question lol. Any who I’m here to ask about what the Wikipedia library is as I have been invited to it randomly. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Kaleeb18, it's explained in Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library and the links therefrom. -- Hoary (talk) 13:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 14:29, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

What is considered notable?

I'm just curious. SpiderBreadIRL (talk) 04:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, SpiderBreadIRL! See Wikipedia:Notability for the actual guideline. In particular, the section "General notability guideline" is typically the most important. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 04:22, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I was just curious because it seems like every Marvel character to ever exist has an entire page dedicated to them. SpiderBreadIRL (talk) 19:48, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@SpiderBreadIRL Oh, it can go way beyond that: Captain America, Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe), Captain America (Ultimate Marvel character)... To be fair, the last one may not survive a WP:AFD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

There's 10 different articles about Spider-Man and different versions of him, and probably more that I don't know of.

Spider-Man

Miles Morales

Spider-Woman

Spider-Ham

Peter Parker (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Peter Parker

Alternate versions of Spider-Man

Peter Parker (Sam Raimi film series)

Peter Parker (Insomniac Games character)

Peter Parker (The Amazing Spider-Man film series) SpiderBreadIRL (talk) 01:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@SpiderBreadIRL There's a few Supermans and Wolverines as well, but Spiderman may be the "winner" on en-WP. Like Bsoyka said, WP:GNG is the mark. Another aspect is of course that more people are interested in writing about these figures on WP than, say, Antonio. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:03, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@SpiderBreadIRL Many Marvel characters do not have their own articles - see List of Marvel Comics characters: A through Z. GoingBatty (talk) 15:06, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk-page archiving?

Apologies for my April-Fools-use signature. Is it not advisable to archive my talk page by year or so? Any answers are appreciated. Thanks. Xinghua (she/her) • Talk 15:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Please review WP:FOOLS, on the english Wikipedia April fools starts 00:00 1st April (UTC) and ends 00:00 2nd April (UTC). That being said, I don't see there is a need to archive your talkpage over here. If you still want to do it, please see Help:Archiving a talk page. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:27, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Rename a file I uploaded? Update info about a file I've uploadcd? Get a list of files I've uploaded?

I mangled the name of a file I uploaded. Can I change the name? Or can I delete the file then add it again with a good name? So long as I've transcribed the mangled name right, the file is:

Michael O'Connell, textile artist - photo of his hanging 'Variety of British farming' in situ the 1951 Festivasl of Britainthe 1951.Festival of Brirain hanging.jpg

The name should be:

Michael O'Connell, textile artist - photo of his hanging 'Variety of British farming' in situ in the 1951 Festival of Britain.jpg

Can I update the info I provided for the file? In this case I can add a note about the copyright status of the artwork in the photo.

Is there a way to get a list of the files I've uploaded? Tpsoconnell (talk) 16:03, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Tpsoconnell, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can see them by looking at your contributions, at Special:Contributions/Tpsoconnell. Furthermore, you can pick "uploads" at the top to filter only uploads. I'm not sure about renaming: on Comons, you can only request a rename, not do it yourself, but I don't know about files uploaded to WP directly. ColinFine (talk) 16:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tpsoconnell: You can use {{Rename media|new filename|rename reason}} on the file page to ask that File:Michael O'Connell, textile artist - harvesting, detail from his hanging 'Variety of British Farming' in the 1951 Festival of Britain.jpg is renamed (for files residing on Wikimedia Commons, you can use the related template {{rename}} over there). A list of files you uploaded can be found here for files uploaded to the english Wikipedia and here for files uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:22, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

There is no need for renaming files in Wikipedia. This is the only place the file is issued. You can upload the file into commons with the new name, or transfer it to commons and rename it as a part of that process. Then the file can be used worldwide. --Broichmore (talk) 17:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

That advice is for the future, because after looking at it, its very likely copyrighted, by the author. File renaming is totally unnecessary, but helpful; the ID data within the file is important. --Broichmore (talk) 17:07, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Question about image

Hello, I am trying to upload a image to this page. But I am being notified that the image has already been removed and isn't letting me try to add it. I did add additional text with a citation. In said citation that image was included and needs to elaborate on the wiki page. How can I get this image posted in the page?

Thank you,

Enchantingplateau (talk) 20:30, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Enchantingplateau, do I understand it correctly that you want to add the picture of the painting from here:[2]? If so, afaik you can't, "Photo courtesy of Wilkes Heritage Museum" reads like the copyright of that photo belongs to that museum, and so we can't use it unless they release it under a WP (well, Commons, really) -acceptable license. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

All the images I can find find of Benjamin Cleveland are fantasy productions. The one you mention is by the artist Don Troiani who is 72 years old. He is very likely the copyright holder. --Broichmore (talk) 17:40, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

How to upload easily a non-free album cover here on Wikipedia

Hi! I was trying to upload the album cover of 3rd Desire (Reve) by creating its source and by using a template used by another user to upload 2nd Desire Tasty - Kim Woo-seok.png, but the image doesn't appear unlike on the file I mentioned. Did I do something wrong or no? Bloomingbyungchan (talk) 13:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Did you use Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard or Wikimedia Commons to upload the album cover? Toofllab (talk) 14:04, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I tried to create the source by typing in the browser's search bar the link to wikipedia adding /wiki/File:the name of the file + the image format. Regarding the format, is it better to use jpg instead of png for an album cover? Bloomingbyungchan (talk) 14:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there a reason why you cannot use Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard? ~Anachronist (talk) 14:15, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I can use it, I just thought a file could be uploaded on Wikipedia by just creating the source. I didn't know there was a file upload wizard here on wikipedia, just like on commons, because it's my first time trying to upload a file directly on wikipedia. Bloomingbyungchan (talk) 14:20, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

jpeg files are preferable to png's. They load faster and are more scaleable. It's not a deal breaker. Load what you have. --Broichmore (talk) 18:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Should we use parentheses or commas when talking about a former name?

For example, should the Qonce article say:

Qonce (formerly King William's Town) is a town in the Eastern Cape province of South Africa along the banks of the Buffalo River.

or

Qonce, formerly King William's Town, is a town in the Eastern Cape province of South Africa along the banks of the Buffalo River.

I know it doesn't matter that much but I'd rather be consistent. Is there a guideline addressing this? Desertambition (talk) 07:39, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Desertambition, outside Wikipedia, either would be fine. For virtually all users of Wikipedia, either would be fine. A tiny number of Wikipedia editors think that this kind of thing is important. Let them worry over it. Mentally, toss a coin: one side commas, the other side parentheses. Use the result. If a few obsessives then want to change it or (even more ridiculously) argue over it, let them. Use your own time and energy where it matters. Or if you must fret over this -- Why? -- then model it after an existing article that's sure to have been examined by many editors, for example (after removing a reference that's really unnecessary): "Chennai (/ˈtʃɛnaɪ/ , Tamil: [ˈt͡ɕenːaɪ̯]), also known as Madras (the official name until 1996), [blah blah]". -- Hoary (talk) 10:08, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

MY personal opinion is use commas if the information is relevant and parens if it is an informative aside that could be deleted without compromising the need to convey information (but then, I'm a grammar addict). David notMD (talk) 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. I'll keep that in mind and try not to think about it too much lol. Desertambition (talk) 18:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

2022 Pakistani political crises

Hello, I am looking for opinion and help, I have asked a few editors on their talk pages as well. I wrote this article about 2022 Pakistani political crises, first it was renamed, then redirected and then merged, lastly an editor copied all the test from my article to another article. The larger article was merged into a smaller article, is there a way to rectify this? also the page was removed from my page creation stats and my work on the article is no longer referenced to me because another editor copied and pasted everything to the new article. Now this editor is the top contributor the article, even though he just copied the text from a previously existing article. Elmisnter! (talk) 09:25, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Elminster Aumar, what were/are the titles of the "larger article" into which your text was copied, and the "smaller article" into which the larger one was merged? (However, it's my bed time. I may look into your explanation several hours from now, but of course I'd be delighted to wake up and discover that somebody else had beaten me to it.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:22, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll try to unravel the knots here. Elminster Aumar created a draft 2022 Pakistani Political Crises[3]. They then moved it from draft space to main space [4]. Mar4d moved the article to 2022 vote of no confidence in the Imran Khan ministry thus giving it a new title [5]. MasterOfMetaverse redirected that article to No-confidence motion against Imran Khan[6]

There was no proper merger discussion had on the article talk page Talk:No-confidence motion against Imran Khan and no consensus was gained for any of the moves. --ARoseWolf 15:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Good morning, world. And thank you for the excellent explanation, ARoseWolf. On the face of it, the moves seem reasonable. (I'm not saying that they were right, or that discussion was unnecessary, just that a quick look suggests that they were sensible.) If the histories were merged (as has already been suggested), would the result be significantly unjust, Elminster Aumar? ¶ If the histories are to be merged, then the sooner the better: improvements should come later. But they definitely should come. Consider this randomly picked example: A few days ago, on 6 March 2022, Prime Minister Imran Khan, while addressing a public meeting in Mailsi area of Punjab province, said that he is ready for a no-confidence motion. He had asked the opposition are they ready for what I will do to them (opposition) in case the no-confidence motion failed? Built-in obsolescence, superfluity, direct/reported speech confusion, 3rd/1st person confusion, all in just two sentences. -- Hoary (talk) 23:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary Well most of the editors who gave input in this article have displayed, with their edits, that they want this article to be about the vote against the Prime Minster, however, there are several political situations happening at the same time, which is why I believe it is a political crises,

1. Opposition also submitted a no confidence motion against the Chief Minster in Punjab, who already resigned

2. President has involved the court for the interpretation of the constitution.

3. Opposition is also planning the no confidence motions against the speaker of the assembly and against Chief Minister of another province.

4. Ruling party wants to disqualify dissident members for life

5. Political rallies from both opposition and government

6. Threats of violence by Government minister

7. Allied government parties' bargaining

My vote is that there should be one article, mentioning political crises, the vote against the Prime Minster should be the main heading but there are many other subjects that will be covered. There is sufficient material here to take this article to good article status. And yes of course, if we keep the article in its current state, then it should be in such a way, that my stats for page creation and contribution are not removed.

The paragraph you mentioned was part of the smaller article. The editor who made the smaller article, makes a few pages every week, they should've mentioned this in a better language. Also the person who copied this did not read thee article, they just copied it. Thank you. Elmisnter! (talk) 04:39, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Elmisnter!, I wonder if a history merge is something that you'd really want. Only administrators can merge histories, and this explanation of the process is intended for administrators. However, if you read it, you may change your mind. Since it was you who asked for the history merge, I think you're free to remove the request for this. (Just be sure to give your reason for doing so.) Now, should the one title be merely a link to the other, or should the former be reverted to an article? One thing is clear: Wikipedia doesn't permit "content forks", so a moderately detailed account of one event, or one series of events, shouldn't appear in more than one article. If the one article again became two, the person who'd proposed this should be willing to do a lot of the deletion of duplicate material very soon after the separation. If you think that there should again be two articles, I think it would be best to propose this on Talk:No-confidence motion against Imran Khan, and to advertise this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pakistan, inviting readers to go to the talk page article and discuss the matter there. (You could also put individual invitations on the talk pages of all users who've been major contributors to either article; however, if you do this, be very careful to avoid any selection that could possibly be interpreted as "canvassing" those users who are likely to agree with you. All in all I'd suggest that you do not inform any individual users.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:31, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary, My first priority is to have the material and page creation credited to me via history merge, then once the no confidence vote is completed and things conclude then I will update the article further. untangling both article now can be very difficult, I believe. Elmisnter! (talk) 07:48, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Also I read the history merge, it seems this case will be complicated as well. Elmisnter! (talk) 07:51, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Elminster Aumar, if that is indeed what you hope for, then of course you are free to propose it. -- Hoary (talk) 08:17, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary@ARoseWolf Some history was merged, though my contribution of the original article is not show in the current page's history Elmisnter! (talk) 09:22, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Elminster Aumar, while that is true, it isn't like the attribution of your contributions to the original article were deleted. I found them easy enough and was able to piece together what happened because of it. I can't say I run across this situation often here but I am curious, are you okay with the merger or do you believe the articles should be separated? Maybe we come from very different positions but proper attribution of my contributions to the encyclopedia, whatever they may be, is the least of my concerns as much as it is about the contents of the improvements and contributions themselves. I think your contributions are amazing and should be attributed and they have been. --ARoseWolf 13:39, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@ARoseWolf, thank you for the appreciation, actually I have restarted editing WP after a long time. I when checkout the new tools, regarding authorship and page creation, everything is attributed and we when ask for new permissions, usually bots just calculate the edit counts from the tools so I want those bots to know what I do. For actual users, I think it will be easy enough to look at the history of pages and find out which editors contributed.

Also for the article, I think I will decide once the no confidence motion is settled, if there are further changes then I think we need two separate articles, if only the prime minister goes, then just one should be enough. Elmisnter! (talk) 17:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Elminster Aumar, I believe, and I could be wrong, that any bot would look at your contributions to get this figure as opposed to any particular article. That seems more plausible and all of your contributions are listed there, including those pertaining to the article in question. --ARoseWolf 18:48, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@ARoseWolf, thanks for clarifying that, I guess it is a non issue then. Let's see if the prime minster stay :) Elmisnter! (talk) 19:02, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Can you help with the article "Draft:Tzancă Uraganu"?

Can you help with the article "Draft:Tzancă Uraganu"? This is my first time doing English Wikipedia. I don't know how to delete the draft. AlexBTR (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@AlexBTR Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! If you’re the author of the only substantial content on the draft (it appears that you are), and you would like for the page to be deleted, just add this template onto the top of the page: {{db-g7}} An admin will then take care of the rest. Hope I’ve helped. Helen(💬📖) 19:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Help with sockpuppetry

In November 2020, a few days after I first created this account, I forgot my password and didn’t click the forgot password button for some reason, but created another account called Maccoun. I didn’t know anything about sockpuppetry at the time. Eventually, I remembered my password and edited in this account. I never edited to anything on the account except for 3 edits on that user page. Now, one year later, the account came to mind and I am scared something might happen to this account. What should I do? Vamsi20 (talk) 23:33, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@Vamsi20

Since the old account isn't blocked, you are allowed to have multiple accounts as long as you follow Wikipedia policies regarding 2nd accounts: Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry#Legitimate_uses_of_alternative_accounts. It is best to disclose the 2nd account on your user page to make sure everyone is on the same page. Rlink2 (talk) 23:36, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Or just abandon Maccoun, as you only made three edits there, back in 2020. David notMD (talk) 02:08, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rlink2

How should I disclose the account on my user page so that it fits into it? Vamsi20 (talk) 21:21, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Vamsi20 usually just a notice on both accounts, or at the very least your main account, would be fine. See Wikipedia:ALTACCN for more info. Rlink2 (talk) 22:02, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rlink2

Can I make a request on the Maccoun account at Wikipedia:Changing usernames to change the name to Vamsi20_alt? Vamsi20 (talk) 19:44, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Title of my first article is wrong and I don't know how to change it

I wrote an article about an author, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wlbujo/sandbox

But the title is my user name and sandbox. It should be the name of the author I wrote about and I just can't figure out how to change it. Wlbujo (talk) 18:22, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Wlbujo: Welcome to the Teahouse. At the bottom of the page is a templated box that has a Submit your draft for review! button. clicking on that will submit it into a review backlog for a reviewer to look at eventually. If it passes, the reviewer will rename it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:43, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I changed the title to Draft:Christopher “Bull” Garlington. For future reference, top menu, More, has Move under it. David notMD (talk) 18:45, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

When you are ready to submit, put subst:submit at the top of the draft inside double curly brackets {{ }} on keyboard, to right of "P". Once submitted, it joins the backlog of ~3,000 drafts waiting for review. The system is not a queue. Reviewers pick what they want to review. Could be days, weeks, or sadly, months. You can continue to work on the draft. David notMD (talk) 18:49, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow. Thank you so much. I am so lost here! Wlbujo (talk) 19:05, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

This is only applicable if a user is autoconfirmed (at least 10 edits, at least 4 days old). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:20, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Where can I find recent-created articles?

Dear Wikipedia contributors,

Could you kindly help me to find a page (or category) in Wikipedia to having access to recent-created articles? In other words, is there a page that the articles which were created recently (were not reviewed) being listed there? In another words, is there a page that we find new articles? Best Regards. Brian O'Conner 19:33, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Special:NewPages. Ruslik_Zero 20:07, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Brayan ocaner You may also like to check out Special:NewPagesFeed, which is slightly different in that it has more search filters. For example, you could configure the settings so that the feed only shows you unreviewed articles, or perhaps those with no citations. Happy editing! Helen(💬📖) 23:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Making links for commons in Wikipedia articles

Can I encourage people to start putting in links to commons on Wikipedia. Examples: a prominent link or the more discreet version.

There are astonishing numbers of biographies on wikipedia without a portrait, where PD portraits are available. Astonishing numbers of artists without a gallery or link to their artworks. --Broichmore (talk) 11:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@Broichmore Sure, and you can work on it too! Thanks for your enthusiasm to improve Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 15:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I'm new. How do we find the links to commons or free images to use? KatieFrench (talk) 21:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@KatieFrench You can look for suitable images on Wikimedia Commons here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

You may also search here: https://wordpress.org/openverse/?referrer=creativecommons.org

Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:30, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I’m trying to add a image

Hello! im trying to add a image onto the article about Chase Hudson (the image is of Chase Hudson) so I added a Chase image into my photos then went to add the image but around then it says do you own this file and I didn’t want to upload the image cause I was worried I might get prosecuted or in big trouble 😓 so I’m wondering if I’m allowed to upload the image (cause I don’t think the person who made the article added a image of Chase Hudson) Thanks 😊 ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜 - TigerTurtle (talk) 00:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

hi TigerTurtle! did you get the image from the internet or otherwise don't own the image (as in, you took or made the image yourself)? then stop, don't. there's a guideline over at Image use policy, identifying usable images for this. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:42, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @Melecie I’m very happy I asked for help now ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜 😊😊😊

Thanks again 😊 - TigerTurtle (talk) 00:47, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @TigerTurtle, I was able to find an image of him available at Wikimedia Commons and I have uploaded it. AdrianHObradors (talk) 00:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

What are IP users?

I've seen a lot of people refer to them as that, how do they work? Blocky44 (talk) (contribs) 16:45, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Blocky44, and welcome to the Teahouse! "IP users", or anonymous users, are users who have not created an account, or, are simply logged out. As we have no other way to identify them with a unique username, we have to use their IP address to give them attribution. IP users basically have the same experience as logged-in users, minus a few perks such as having their own user pages, editing protected pages, or gaining certain user rights exclusive to logged-in users. This is why we encourage so many IP users to create accounts. Hopefully this helps! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 16:49, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I thought they just chose to name themselves that. Blocky44 (talk) (contribs) 16:54, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Blocky44—No worries; it is very confusing to most users, as many log entries and editors may still refer to their user pages as attribution, giving off the impression that they are an account under the username "xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx". Happy editing! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 17:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

A person without an account, working on an article from more than one computer or phone (say at home and at work), will likely show up as two related but not identical IP numbers. David notMD (talk) 17:15, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Blocky44, "IP" is shorthand for Internet protocol address. You can find out more at IP address and WP:IP. Cullen328 (talk) 00:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Please suggest the best way to contribute to medical topics

Hi there, my name is Robert and I am a medical doctor, but almost more importantly ;) I am working with an ontologist to define a medical domain specific ontology and this is forcing me to nitpick and spend a lot of time in getting down in the gory details of concepts and related terminology that are used in current life in often confusing ways.

Avid passive user I think I might help a little bit more actively but am completely new to this so please forgive my naivety.

Just as an example today I stumbled on a (medical) Signs and Symptoms page and edited in on a couple of lines where I feel there's not much debate in changing things, but as I read along I found a section called Syndromes which is described against all of the knowledge and evidence I have gathered in the last months. Specifically to explain myself most of the consensus I have gathered is that a syndrome is charachterized by a cluster of often co-occurrent signs/symptoms and that when the cause (etiology) is then discovered, the same cluster can be then called a disease. The current writing not only gives a different interpretation but gives questionable examples.

What is the way to discuss my opinions (and show the supporting evidence I have gathered) and discuss with good people with different opinions and settle for an agreed course of action ?

Thanks for your guidance (and forgive any oddities in my writing as I'm not an English mother tongue) Rjalexander (talk) 18:52, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Rjalexander. Expert editors are welcome but you cannot add your personal knowledge to the encyclopedia. You must summarize and cite published, reliable sources, so start by reading Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine). You can find additional resources at Wikipedia: WikiProject Medicine. Cullen328 (talk) 19:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Replying at same time Medical/health articles must comply with WP:MEDRS, meaning that all content must be supported by references that are published in reputable journals or books, and represent reviews, systematic reviews or meta-analyses. The place to start a discussion of proposed changes is the Talk page of the article. There, one hopes to reach consensus with other interested editors. A constant problem is that talk pages may have few visitors, hence no replies. But take heart! Wikipedia policy is WP:BRD. That means be Bold in your edits, and if Reverted (reversed) Discuss (at Talk). David notMD (talk) 19:03, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Doc James is one of our most experienced medical editors. You might want to touch base with him. Cullen328 (talk) 19:05, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Weighing in on this discussion, I noticed that you mentioned a desire to discuss your opinions with other editors. A good place to do that is the talk page of the article in question! See WP:TP for more information. When you're discussing your opinions and your research, remember that Wikipedia has a rule against original research (see WP:NOR), so facts have to have reliable, published sources directly related to the fact before they can be added to an article. I'm glad you're considering becoming more active - I'm sure you'll make a great editor, given your good manners and extensive knowledge. Birdsinthewindow (talk) 00:44, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

At Signs and symptoms the Syndrome section has no references, but there is a link to the article Syndrome. If there is better content - with references - there, you could develop a summary from what is there, with references and replace what you dislike in the S&S article. If you choose to do this, your Edit summary (at bottom of where you have edited, above Publish changes), should state where you took content and references from. Copy/paste from one Wikipedia article to another is allowed if attributed. David notMD (talk) 19:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Blocking people

Just wondering how I can block people due to vandilisim p.s I am autoconfirmedOrganic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 00:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

hi ‎Organic Increse45! only admins can block people, however you can warn people who are making disruptive edits (using Twinkle or RedWarn makes this easier), and post over at Administrator intervention against vandalism to block them if needed (if they vandalize after a fourth warning). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:35, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but one more question, how can you become admin?

Organic Increse45( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ) (talk) 21:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

You can find out more about how to become an admin at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship, but it can be quite an involved process (even a bit nasty sometimes) and submitting such a request at this time is likely going to quickly end in disappointment for you due to your lack of experience. Moreover, people who want to become administrators mainly because they want to be able to block others usually have little luck convincing the WP:COMMUNITY to grant them such a user right. It would be much better for you to establish a track record of being WP:HERE and making positive contributions to improving Wikipedia over an extended period of time to demonstrate to others that you have a good grasp of important Wikipedia policies and guidelines (both content related and behavioral related) and understand how to correctly apply them to a variety of different situations. Personally, I don't think being a good admin is measured by how many users you block, but rather by how you're able to help keep Wikipedia running smoothly without feeling the need to block. In other words, how you're able to help other users become positive contributors to Wikipedia without them ending up blocked. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:55, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Free images

Hello! I'd much appreciate some assistance on determining whether specific image files are free for use on Wikipedia or not. Many of the sources do not flat out tell you, and if the image is coming from a company or group it's a bit risky for one to decide on their own. If you'd like me to link the images I want to check just for reference, I could do that too. Thanks in advance! TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 01:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Trevortnidesserped! In general, unless the creator very specifically says an image is under a Creative Commons license or is in the public domain, you can and should assume that all rights are reserved and it's not a free-use image. However, there are some exceptions under fair use for images such as company logos; see WP:NFCC for those rules. If you'd like to link the images in question here, I'd be happy to take a look. Bsoyka (talk) 01:13, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Trevortnidesserped. You might find the image at the top of c:Commons:Licensing and some of the examples given in c:Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter helpful, but it's probably a good ideal to assume that any image you didn't create yourself is protected by copyright and that copyright is held by someone else. Of course, things are more complicated that that especially since copyirght laws can vary quite a bit by country, but that basic assumption is probably a good place to start. Visible copyright notices used to be explicity required (at least under United States copyright law), but that's no longer the case. Further complicating things is that many websites hosts images created by others and thus the website has no copyright claim over the original image. The website might be hosting the content under a claim of fair use or they simply might not care; moreover, in some case, they might knowingly try to claim copyright over content they didn't create (which is essentially "stealing") because they think nobody is going to notice. What these other sites do is their business, but Wikipedia tries to ensure (as much as possible) that all content it hosts meets Wikipedia:Copyrights#Guidelines for images and other media files and only host content which can be clearly demonstrated to be either within the public domain or released under an acceptable free license. There are some exceptions such as non-free content, but these are highly restricted (even more so that US copyright law). So, if you didn't take the photo yourself, paint the painting yourself, produce the TV show or movie yourself, write the book yourself, design the logo yourself, etc., then someone else did and that person is going to be assumed to be the copyright holder of the work in question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchjuly (talk • contribs) 01:33, April 1, 2022 (UTC) [Note: Post edited by Marchjuly to fix copy-paste error per below; missing text is underlined. -- 01:56, 1 April 2022 (UTC)]

@Marchjuly: Courtesy ping, FYI your message appears cut off. Bsoyka (talk) 01:35, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it was. Thank you for noticing it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:56, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Trevortnidesserped, here is the short version: Unless you have solid evidence that a certain image is free of copyright restrictions, then you must operate under the default assumption that the image is restricted by copyright. Cullen328 (talk) 01:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses! My bad for not specifying but I meant more-so for uploading files, that can be difficult especially for older images because they are often mass-duplicated and it's hard to find the origin. Some of the images in question are the single cover art for "Nobody Like U" from the Pixar film, which can be found on Spotify (here's what it looks like: https://www.whiskynsunshine.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/NobodyLikeU_4Town_050087503208-1024x1024.jpg) and the cover art for Sugarhigh by Jade Anderson (here's what it looks like - https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71GN655TePL._SY355_.jpg) This was good to know though because I was also wondering what the case was for files that were already on the site. TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 03:25, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Trevortnidesserped, any image created by a major contemporary media outlet like Pixar (or pretty much anyone else) will be copyrighted for 95 years. Policy guidance for limited usage of a low resolution version of this image can be found at Non-free content (images). That policy must be followed precisely. Cullen328 (talk) 04:49, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Trevortnidesserped: I think it's safe to assume that both those image are copyrighted and the copyright holder are likely the record companies that released the singles. So, you're not going to be able to upload either of these to Wikipedia or Commons under an acceptable free license unless you can clearly show that the cover art has been released as such with the copyright holder's WP:CONSENT. It might be possible to upload these files locally to Wikipedia non-free content per item 1 of WP:NFCI, but that will largely depend on how intend to use them. Generally, it's OK to use this type of non-free cover art for primary identification purposes at the tops of or in the main infoboxes of stand-alone articles about albums and singles, but it's much harder to use it in other ways or in other types of articles as explained here. It should be OK for you to uploaded the files using {{non-free album cover}} for the copyright license and {{non-free use rationale album cover}} for the non-free use rationale as long as their uses is limited to the infoboxes of "Sugarhigh" and "Nobody Like U"; you should, however, try and find a source as close to the original copyright holder as possible just to make sure there are no issues with Wikipedia:Non-free content#Meeting the previous publication criterion. In this case, Amazon should be fine for "Sugarhigh", but I don't know what the website "Whisky + Sunshine" has to do with the other single and it might be better to try and find something a little closer to the original source. The links you provided above are also direct links to the images themselves which is helpful, but it's also a good idea to provide a link to the webpage where the image can be seen being used for verification purposes. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Need help

I have completed citing half of Draft:Pollicitation in French civil law but now the rest seems difficult. I don't know anything about this topic and also it's difficult for me to find sources in another language. I don't know why I took this topic up at the first place, but now I cannot have this article deleted or abandon it, so what should I do? Excellenc1 (talk) 16:14, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Excellenc1. Since you have met the requirements, you may access more sources via the Wikipedia Library (link here for courtesy). If you wish to have the article deleted, you may put {{Db-g7}} at the top of the page. Thanks. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 16:53, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: It won't be deleted unless you ask it to be or if it is not worked on for six months. You can take a break and work on it later if you like. You may also want to ask for help at the Wikiprojects you listed on the talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 17:02, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@3PPYB6: and @RudolfRed: I meant to say that I don't want the article to be deleted in case I abandon it. I am asking for a way to get others who know about the topic to continue it (because I don't want the work done till now to just get deleted). And as for Wikipedia Library, I started using it almost a month ago; it doesn't specifically get me info about the exact topic (based on my usage for Draft:Parc du Thabor). Excellenc1 (talk) 18:25, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1—In that case, my #1 piece of advice is: make it get the attention of multiple WikiProjects. There, others will find your draft and likely improve it. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 18:47, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Definitely! It's especially good to reach out this way because French-speaking users of Wikipedia might have an easier time finding sources :) Your draft looks great, by the way - you've clearly put a lot of hard work into it.Birdsinthewindow (talk) 00:51, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@3PPYB6: How do I "get the attention"? Excellenc1 (talk) 06:22, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Using a physical document as a source

Hi there,

I have found some old physical documents that I would like to add as source to an article.

I'm unsure as to whether this is allowed (I haven't found anything looking around), and if it is where the best place to scan and upload the documents is to make them publicly viewable.

Thanks in advance.

Ealder3301 (talk) 03:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ealder3301. Offline paper documents are allowed as references, as long as the document has been published by a reliable source. So, unpublished letters, diaries, notes and routine government documents are not permitted. If the document has been published by a reliable source, then provide all of the bibliographic details in your reference. Also, be careful about the proper use of primary sources. Cullen328 (talk) 03:30, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Ealder3301. Just going to add that there's no need for you to upload the document for use on Wikipedia to cite it as a source as long as the original source of the document is considered reliable per Wikipedia's standards. The document, however, should be something published and reasonably available to allow it to be verified in some way. Uploading the document might seem like a good way to aid in the verification process, but it could create a copyright issues that might be difficult to resolve. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:40, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

And also, even if the document was published and is out of copyright, this could cause problems with provenance. If a random person on the internet uploads a scan of a document, we have only their word that it is a faithful scan and hasn't been altered. ColinFine (talk) 09:49, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Is there any established mechanism to propose a change of variety of English used in an Article?

Trapezoid is written in American English. In American English, Trapezoids and Trapeziums have opposite meanings when compared to British English (or rather any other variety of English outside North America. Since MOS states that Wikipedia doesn't prefer any variety over another, I think that BE should be used for the article. How do I propose this on the talk page? Lone Warrior 007 (talk) 11:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

You do not, Lone Warrior 007. If it's written in American English, that's the way it stays. (And yes, if it had been written in British English, that's the way it should stay. But it wasn't.) Unless, that is, you can present a compelling reason why it should be in British English. Evidence of "British" rather than "American" usaage in journals published in Australia, Canada, Germany, France, Brazil, etc might be persuasive. -- Hoary (talk) 12:04, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I see. Is the following passage (which I copied from that page) not a sufficient reason to change it?

All European languages follow Proclus's structure as did English until the late 18th century, until an influential mathematical dictionary published by Charles Hutton in 1795 supported without explanation a transposition of the terms. This mistake was corrected in British English in about 1875, but was retained in American English into the modern day. Lone Warrior 007 (talk) 12:27, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

It's a good start, Lone Warrior 007, but it's only a start. MOS:RETAIN isn't the last word on the matter of competing conventions, but there's a general agreement among the sensible majority of WP editors that it's a good thing because it avoids a lot of silly squabbling. Therefore if you want a switch, you should provide overwhelming evidence for the benefits of switching. (For a start, how do English-language but non-British dictionaries of math(s) define the two terms?) -- Hoary (talk) 13:56, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh, okay, I'll try to research a bit more about it, but as Elemimele has written, the issue isn't just purely aesthetic, hence I am of the opinion that preponderance of evidence should suffice in this case. Anyways, thanks for the helpful replies! Lone Warrior 007 (talk) 15:06, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

You will find the above policy at MOS:RETAIN. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:05, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

This is not a case of MOS:RETAIN, Shantavira, Hoary. The point about Retain is that in a rather cosmetic way, we retain the language in which the article was written, to avoid petty little arguments about whether color is spelt with a "u", and to make life easier for the reader, who may be confused if garbage and rubbish are found in the same sentence. It is also a matter of common sense that when writing about an American subject, one would use the language that an American would use. MOS:RETAIN has no real consequences for meaning, it's more a matter of courtesy and convenience. In this case, however, we have a word that has a totally different meaning in the two languages. The problem is compounded by the Trapezoid article beginning "In English outside North America, a convex quadrilateral in Euclidean geometry, with at least one pair of parallel sides, is referred to as a trapezium...", i.e. what the reader expects to be a definition of a trapezoid is dressed up to look like a definition of a trapezium. The large table was a very sensible idea towards making it clear what's what, but unfortunately introduces inclusive and exclusive trapezoids and in a way makes things even more confusing (see also talk page, where it's confused other readers).

The second compounding factor is that while the disambiguation page for Trapezium explains what's going on, the disambiguation for "Trapezoid" doesn't. So no, simply not changing anything leaves a horrible mess in place.

If you, LoneWarrior look at the talk page, you'll find it's been discussed already. The current unsatisfactory situation is actually the result of the US population being greater than that of the UK, and therefore 6 people (probably) from the US said "the article's about trapezoids, that's what we called them at school, anything else would be confusing" while one bloke from the UK said "well I don't and I'm confused" so consensus was stick to trapezoid. That's fair enough, but it could be made more clear for those of us unlucky enough not to be born in North America.

@Lone Warrior 007:, if you think the confusion is not adequately addressed in the article, or people are likely to come to this article expecting something different because they've been misled by a disambiguation page, then yes, you do discuss any changes you can think of that might alleviate the situation, at the relevant talk-pages. That's what talk-pages are for. Elemimele (talk) 13:25, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, gosh and blimey! Thank you for clarifying. I had no idea the subject was so complicated.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Following Hoary's advice, I'll research a bit more about it and then start a new discussion on the talk page. Lone Warrior 007 (talk) 15:13, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Shantavira, Hoary, I'm sorry, I was maybe a bit ferocious there. @Lone Warrior 007:, I'll be happy to get involved in any discussion, and I hope some of those who've discussed before will have the article on their watch-list. I'm sure something can be done to make the situation more clear. Obviously there was no consensus to move the article to a new title previously, and since its title can't satisfy two groups of readers with diametrically opposite opinions of the meaning of the word, I wonder whether we should abandon hope of a better title, and instead write a very clear, simple explanation of the ambiguous nomenclature at the start, with a statement of which nomenclature the article is using. The nearest analogous situation I've encountered previously was Chlorogenic acid which has a selection of isomers, and someone changed the way they're numbered so that 3-CGA and 5-CGA swapped positions. Ever since then, both names have been used for both isomers all over the place, with total confusion. I'm sure an amicable and useful solution can be found. Elemimele (talk) 19:09, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

• @Lone Warrior 007: I'm Scottish and write articles using British English. Unfortunately there is no protection from British English articles on Wikipedia. Indeed there is no protection for the British English identity. While there is old Scots Wikipedia, perhaps due to language contraints there is no concomitant British English Wikipedia, which is unfortunate. The only thing that can protect the British article in the short term, is a number of templates that state it is British, for example the {{British English|date=April 2022}}, used on the Talk page and {{Use dmy dates|date=April 2022}}, {{Use British English|date=April 2022}} and that is pretty much it. There is no protection in code to preserve the British identity. More often than not, over time you'll find the article slowly but surely turning to an American type of article with American spelling and so on, particularly if its related to America in some way. You can't avoid it. There is a known WP:BIAS present, where the admin corps to a certain extent are cognisant of it, but because they can't do anything about it, they don't bother. I think its that, although I'm not sure. The whole experience is unfortunate. I would have some part of my identity to remain, but at the moment, I don't think so. Protect the article as much you can while your here. Its the only thing you can do. If its really obsure, it might stay in shape. scope_creep^Talk 11:13, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Requesting some opinion or suggestion

Greetings to you! Hope you're doing well. My apologies if I have bought the topic up at the wrong place.

I had posted a Question/suggestion on the talk page of List of Mughal empresses but unfortunately, the page doesn't seem to get much attention and the suggestion is likely to be left unseen. Is there any way to bring attention (suggestion/discussion) to it?


Manavati (talk) 12:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Manavati. Since you only posted the suggestion yesterday, I should wait several days to see if anybody does respond. You could also post a pointer to it at WT:WikiProject India. If after, say, a week, nobody has responded, then go ahead and make your change. My suggestion would be that, rather than removing them completely, you marked those who never became Empress in some way, but I have no strong feeling.

As for your suggestions about the redirects: the purpose of a redirect is to help somebody who comes looking for a subject where they haven't given the name the same as the corresponding Wikipedia article, or where there is not an article on that specific topic, but there is another which covers the topic in some way. It doesn't matter whether the redirect is strictly accurate, as long as it is likely to be helpful rather than unhelpful. If you think they should be changed or deleted, please see WP:RfD. But read WP:Redirect first. ColinFine (talk) 13:26, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for advice ColinFine. The suggestion for marking sounds excellent! Also, thank you for explaining the redirect part. Manavati (talk) 12:07, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Deletion

How do I nominate an article for deletion for April fools? 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 (talk) 00:22, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Personally I would advise against doing so. 331dot (talk) 00:27, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

But do you know how? 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 (talk) 00:28, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Mr Reading Turtle, 331dot knows how, and I know how too. Nominating it as some kind of joke would waste people's time; so no, we're not going to waste our time helping you waste other people's time. Please do something constructive. -- Hoary (talk) 00:30, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Like nominating Category at WP:Categories for discussion. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:51, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't share the same views as them; Mr Reading Turtle, for specific instructions, visit WP:FOOLS and after WP:AFDHOWTO. Be sure to follow them very carefully so you don't get into any accidental trouble. Have fun! Panini! • 🚢 00:57, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't really understand the page, can you give me step by step (I'm a newcomer) 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 (talk) 01:21, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

If you're this new to the community, while it'd be great for you to join in on the fun, it might not be worth it yet until you've learned the ropes a bit more. I'm all for the fun, and please don't take this personally, but maybe hold off until April Fools comes around next year? Bsoyka (talk) 01:32, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I think you've been given some bad advice by Panini! as explained in Wikipedia:Rules for Fools#General and I don't recommend that you follow it. Nominating an article for deletion simply as an April Fools' joke (which seem to be the who point of the OP's question) is going to be considered disruptive and almost certainly lead to admonishment and possibly even to your account being blocked. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/columbidae that you started is malformed so the disruption is minimal, but someone is still going to need to clean things up. Please don't do anymore of this unless you do so correctly. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:44, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[Note: Post edited by Marchjuly to strike out unnecessarily critical part, and add clarification (underlined). -- 02:37, 1 April 2022 (UTC)]

I agree that new users to the wiki might want to hold off on participating in April Fools, but [nominating] an article for deletion simply as an April Fools' joke is pretty common and a recurring and mostly accepted part of the holiday here. See Wikipedia:Rules for Fools § Joke deletion nominations and Wikipedia:Disruptive editing § April Fools' Day. Not to be rude, but if this is disruptive, why are all the people who've participated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/April Fools' Day 2022 still able to edit the wiki? Bsoyka (talk) 02:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

That log is a special page set up specifically for April Fools' jokes and the corresponding AFDs are formatted as such. The one created by the OP appeared to be malformed and wasn't added to the joke log or the regular log page; so, it was basically floating out there in space accomplishing nothing. In hindsight though, my tone was perhaps more harsh then it needed to be and less understanding that it should've been, and I've amended my original comment to soften it a bit. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:37, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Updated comment LGTM, thanks. Bsoyka (talk) 02:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Mr Reading Turtle I must also strongly disagree with the advice given by Panini!, especially where you are a new user. I would get some contributions under your belt, and some experience, before diving into joking around- otherwise this could be interpreted as being not here to build an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 14:59, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Call me an old grump, but we spend all year discouraging and blocking pranksters, vandals and tomfools. It behoves us not to repeat that tomfoolery in a serious encyclopaedia just because for one day a year everyone thinks it's clever to do it everywhere else. Even 'behind the scenes' pranks aren't appropriate on Wikipedia in my opinion, and it's time editors grow up, just as Wikipedia itself needs people to see it has matured. For my favourite AF-related posts off-wiki this year, see this and this. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:14, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Why do people not trust Wikipedia?

It seems to me, a lot of people don’t trust Wikipedia! I think it’s because anyone can write on Wikipedia, and that is true! But Wikipedia always checks through everyone’s articles? I believe Wikipedia is true 😊 and that it gives heaps of information of what your looking for! (New to Wikipedia 😊) Thanks!! - TigerTurtle (talk) 02:03, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@TigerTurtle: Our article Reliability of Wikipedia has some great information about this. ––FormalDude talk 02:05, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

There is to "Wikipedia" that checks article truthfulness. It's just one volunteer editor after another trying to improve existing articles, including reverting if wrong information is added. David notMD (talk) 02:18, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I think you mean no Wikipedia? 💜  melecie  talk - 03:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

To add to what David says above, no one on Wikipedia is checking for truthfulness, only accuracy of the information found in referenced reliable sources about a notable subject as described in WP:N. Truth can change from person to person and would be a poor criteria for what should be included or not. --ARoseWolf 13:37, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

TigerTurtle We don't want people to trust Wikipedia blindly as Wikipedia is not a reliable source. We want people to examine the sources provided in articles and determine things like truthfulness or biase for themselves. 331dot (talk) 13:41, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, anyone can be wrong. But we can't all be wrong. Lungstagangsta (talk) 15:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Mouseover to show previews of Wikimedia Images?

Mousing over a "media:image_filename.ext|Image" Image link yields a popup showing "image filename.ext", but is there any way to code in a mouseover that will show a thumbnail of the Image itself, as happens with links to Wikipedia articles? Pontchardon (talk) 00:08, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Note: This is being discussed at WP:HD#Mouseover link to show preview of Wikimedia image. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:10, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

A question to someone who also knows about de (German) Wikipedia policies

I just undid a destructive IP edit that was in the article for months, the vandalism edit is: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Judges_of_the_International_Criminal_Court&type=revision&diff=1061781489&oldid=1060871478 . Does en Wikipedia have any policy/process to avoid such destructive edits from remaining in the articles? I am a native of de (German), we have an elaborate/detailed process for this, see: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gesichtete_Versionen . This de Wikipedia Project page links to Wikipedia:Reviewing pending changes, but it is not the same, since in de Wikipedia all articles are incuded in this process. As an Wikipedia author who contributed to the article Judges of the International Criminal Court earlier, was i supposed/expected to do this revert earlier? In fact, i do not feel able to maintain en Wikipedia articles in future i contributed to in the past. And i do not regularly look at my watchlist.

One more question on the policies subject: As far as a know, some years ago a user having the founder flag strongly recommended this for en Wikipedia, but did not enforce it. Is this somehow correct? --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 15:56, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

We do have a similar process (Wikipedia:Pending changes), but fortunately we use it only rarely, so most updates go live immediately. The pages that need reviewing have a five hour backlog, which is bad, but not as terrible as the German Wikipedia's 36 day backlog. Our main defences against vandalism are bots, edit filters, long-term blocks of typical vandal IPs (schools), and Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol, but they don't catch everything. Vandalism happens and is impossible to prevent without giving up the wiki model. —Kusma (talk) 16:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Rejection Reason of Submission Inconsistent and Non-Applicable. How to Proceed?

Hello there,

I submitted a post to AFC in accordance with your policies. The submission was promptly denied by a novice editor.

I disputed the reasons for the rejection on the reviewer’s page, and the reviewer simply cited new ‘reasons’-- one of which was contradictory to their previous request. The other reason was listed without providing the appropriate policy link. The reviewer then directed me to this Teahouse page.

The post in question is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hacker_Noon

The discussion and appeal is here, number 33. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RPSkokie#Re:_AFC:_Hacker_Noon

Please review all pieces of information. I understand the rejection reason, and it is simply not applicable. If there are changes to be made, they seemingly should fall well within the scope of what an editor may be willing to tweak. It's a tastefully sized post.

I was directed here, however I’m under the impression that there is a different area for appeals.

Happy to proceed with the appeals process as instructed in your response, as per cited policies.

Thanks so much!

Ellen Escvca (talk) 08:17, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Looking at your draft Draft:Hacker Noon it was declined NOT rejected, I would have also declined it as advertising. Paid editing is held to a higher account. Theroadislong (talk) 08:39, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

• @Escvca: You claim that RPSkokie is a "novice editor". Note that they have more than 3700 edits, when you have less than 30, all related to a page you are paid to create. At any rate, arguments from authority hold little weight here, but I suggest you drop that line of reasoning sooner than later.

The reviewer cited WP:CITEKILL which means "yes, there are many sources, but most or all of them are bad". As it stands there are more than 70 sources, with no indication whatsoever of which show notability. We need sources that are simultaneously (1) independent of the subject, (2) reliable, and (3) deal with the subject at length.

Your best bet at this point is to provide the three best sources you have (make sure to read that link to understand why). (Just three links, no need for a long wall of text of critical commentary.) Before you attempt to do that, I would note that the very first source you cited on the reviewer’s page, this Guardian piece, falls immediately on account of (3) (the only mention of Hacker Noon is as the website on which the subject of that piece published an article).

If those sources do not exist, do not bother making any more effort - good writing will not pass a draft that fails the notability tests. If they do, then we can discuss other fixable issues, such as the bold font in titles (don’t do that). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:44, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

The first sentence of the draft states that the subject is a company, but the second refers to "content published on" it, and cites sources suggesting that it's a blog. So it's not clear what the draft is meant to be about. And these two sentences have 34 references, which will make any reviewer wonder if something fishy is going on. Maybe you think that notability is asssessed by the number of references? It isn't. References are judged by quality, not quantity. Four good sources (reliable independent ones with extensive discussion of the subject) will establish notability. If you have such sources but bury them among a huge pile of others that don't help with notability, don't expect a reviewer to wade through all the others looking for them. Maproom (talk) 21:16, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Declined post and editing help, NPOV

Hey! I'm pretty new to Wikipedia. I submitted a page to be reviewed and it got declined because it was said to read like an advertisement.

I'm not trying to make it sound like an advertisement, I just can't think how to change the wording without straying far from the source that I got the information from. I looked at the Wiki Neutrality page, but I feel like I've changed it enough to read normally. Can anyone help to look at the page and give me more pointers? Or ways that I can ask other editors to help me read through my page to help? I've seen pages accepted with much less and almost no sources, so I'm a little confused how this couldn't have been accepted.

GlobalAaloo (talk) 09:37, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

• Hello, GlobalAaloo. Before worrying over neutrality, you should make sure that the subject is notable, which is a very complex Wikipedia-jargon concept, but it boils down to having multiple sources that are simultaneously (1) reliable, (2) independent of the subject, and (3) deal with the subject in detail. I cannot read Czech so I cannot really verify the current sources, but (for instance) anything that is an interview fails (2). If you do not have such high-quality sources, the article is lost regardless of how much effort you put in it. Three good sources are enough to pass an article, sometimes two are enough, but ten thousand poor sources are insufficient, so "other articles have less sources" is not a good argument. ("Others articles have worse sources" is not good either for other reasons.)

Assuming the subject is notable, there is indeed some non-neutral / imprecise wording to remove. The advice I usually give is to write boringly but precisely, as if you were writing a technical instruction manual. Here are some examples:

• that functions as an alternative space for - an alternative... to what? how does it differ from it?
• to give more perspective to their architectural project organization and competitions - "give more perspective" can mean anything, so it means nothing
• the stereotype picture of the linear Czech architecture development - I have no idea what "linear architecture development" means. If it does mean something, explain it for non-architects, else remove.

If such touchy-feely writing is a fair representation of the wording of the sources, it is usually a strong indication that the sources are marketing material (hence not reliable or not independent). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:59, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

This is very helpful information, thank you! GlobalAaloo (talk) 14:41, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

"an organization that functions as an alternative space"? What's that meant to mean? A building? Maproom (talk) 21:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Image attribution Comment

Hi. Please could someone take a look at the image of the Crucible Theatre that I've added to 1977 World Snooker Championship and see if any attribution needs to be added? (The file's page on Wikimedia Commons says "You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made.") Thank you. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:46, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

No, Benny, that's fine. When you use an image from Commons in Wikipedia (or any other Wikimedia project) it automatically links to the image's description page in Commons, with the attribution, and that is (designed to be) sufficient. ColinFine (talk) 21:32, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

My draft got rejected. What can I do to solve it?

Draft:Bass (Mega Man) Irodri63739082927 (talk) 23:53, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Irodri63739082927: We don't accept content from Fandom that's been copied without complying with its licences, and even if we did, this article has zero sources and thus would be declined/rejected on that basis as well. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Irodri63739082927, the draft has been rejected. This means that it's beyond hope. The solution is to forget all about it. Also, don't think of creating anything similar. Familiarize yourself with Wikipedia, and, if it interests you, make reliably sourced, judicious improvements to existing articles. When you've acquired skills and experience (and not before), consider creating your first article. (Incidentally, this has already been addressed at another help desk.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

how do i start a April fools afd?

im trying to add a joke nomination to the april fools afd page, but i have no idea how to make one. could i get some advice on how to nominate one? -a really self-degrading name(speak of the devil)- 13:13, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Came here to ask the same thing. I usually use Twinkle but it specifically says not to use that as it'll add a template to the mainpage (i found that out that hard way). ― Wolf Blaze^Awoo_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:20, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf & @Im really bad at this: Please see a discussion on this above (click here). My comment on the bottom of that thread applied to you guys, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:49, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I know. I read that. I hadn't seen that discussion before replying to this. ― Wolf Blaze^Awoo_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:25, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Im really bad at this, & Blaze Wolf, please do not do so, it is counter productive & time consuming, time that could have been used in doing something productive. Celestina007 (talk) 21:26, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

This question was posted here just two minutes after the same question was posted on the "Help desk". Thus even more timewasting than those who have already responded to it here (or there) may realize. User:Im really bad at this, if you're happy with your username (which you chose), just use it and don't disguise it (because usernames are intended to aid communication); if you're not, just change it; under whatever username, concentrate not on attempts at jokes, on userboxes, etc, but instead on improving encyclopedic coverage of encyclopedia-worthy subjects. And don't post the same question/request in more than one place unless you (i) have good reason to do so and also (ii) say that it's a "cross-posting". -- Hoary (talk) 01:14, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Moving current information into a new page/subdividing Vivian Beaumont Theater page

Hi I'm planning to create a page for Lincoln Center Theater which currently redirects to Vivian Beaumont Theater . A large portion (around half) of the information on that page would make more sense to have on this page since it is not really about the Vivian Beaumont but about Lincoln Center Theater (of which Vivian Beaumont is a small part). I know that one shouldn't copy information from other wikipedia pages in general but I'm assuming since this is essentially proposing subdividing the current page and removing it there that it would be okay to copy this information over to the other page? Thanks KNY22 (talk) 23:20, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Actually, copying content from one Wikipedia article to another is fine as long as in the Edit summary you clearly state where it came from. I suggest you create the draft for LCT and get it approved at Articles for creation. Only after that, remove content from Vivian Beaumont Theater. When doing that, rather than removing all, you could leave a short version as a section, and have a See link to your new article. Good luck. 02:05, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@KNY22: For details of the procedure, see Wikipedia:Splitting. Deor (talk) 17:23, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Deor this is very helpful KNY22 (talk) 04:53, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Possible Edit War Developing w/ an IP user

I've cut out a large amount of excessive detail from Carmine Falcone per an existing maintenance template. Twice now, my edits have been reverted by an IP user w/ no other contributions. What should I do? Warn them, try to engage them? Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 21:08, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

• Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, a space where we teach editors how to edit better, I believe all parties involved should go through WP:EDIT WARRING or use the TP of the article to reach a consensus or compromise, if the edit war persists after 3 reverts have been made in a time frame of a 24 hour period then there’s in fact an appropriate venue for that which is WP:AN/3 for a sysop to intervene. Celestina007 (talk) 21:20, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

  We're two reverts in, but they came from different IP's, so I doubt AN/3 would work here. I already added a note giving my reason for the original edit. If it gets reverted again, I'll try going to talk page. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 22:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

  • @Just Another Cringy Username, in that case there are other ways to deal with content disputes, whilst I haven’t checked pedantically (or even checked at all) a few questions; are the IP's reverting & adding constructive edits? Are they just binge reverting? have you initiated an informal/formal dialogue with them? (this should be the first approach) I’m not saying warning templates now, but actually just reasoning with them? If not a WP:3O might be helpful, it really does depend since I haven’t seen anything yet, the last resorts are usually asking for a page protection especially if the IP editor just comes out from nowhere to make this sort of edits, at its zenith WP:AN/I wouldn’t be a stretch, but like I said this should be done if all other routes have been “used up” as aforementioned, usually a dialogue and reaching WP:CONSENSUS is usually a good way to go about content disputes, if they are not cooperating than ANI is definitely justifiable. Reverting each other is just unnecessary mental stress. Celestina007 (talk) 22:46, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

    No edits of their own, just reverting. It's one of those pages where some fanboy has written out a play-by-play of everything this character ever did. It got tagged for excessive detail, I cut it down, and now someone's doing a drive-by revert. In both cases, it's the IP's first and only edit, so I doubt trying to engage them would do much of anything. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 05:14, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

AfC question

Hello, previously I submitted this question to the Teahouse, I wanted to ask if this newer draft of the article I'm referring to in my previous question, linked here on my sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ab31488/sandbox, though still a work in progress, is in a more Wiki-friendly state to be recreated as an article at AfC? Thanks, Ab31488 (talk) 21:24, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Ab31488 Hi Good day. You previous links on your message to Teahouse could not be read. As per your article in User:Ab31488/sandbox, at the current state the subject is considered not notable and will "not" merit a page in Wikipedia main space. Pls read notability requirements and WP:Your First Article first. You can create a draft page for your article via Wikipedia:Articles for creation and pls read the info/links and follow the instructions. Once you have written the article, pls submit the draft article for review and ask for assistance if you have any further question at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 23:00, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Did you mean "will not merit...? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 04:42, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cassiopeia pinging... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 04:44, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@73.127.147.187 and Ab31488: Yes, I meant "will not". Thank you for checking with me. Cassiopeia talk 02:34, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cassiopeia, You are welcome. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:49, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Does YouTube count as a reliable source?

I'd like to write an article about a musician. I haven't searched any sources yet but I've found on her YouTube account that she has written a sort biography of her. Does it count like a source or not? Fisforfenia (talk) 06:53, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Fisforfenia, and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm afraid that Youtube is almost certainly not a reliable source. Generally speaking, Youtube is considered a self-published source, and so it wouldn't be considered reliable, especially not for notability purposes. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 06:56, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Actually, YouTube content can be a reliable source in certain cases as explained here, here and here, but you need to be very careful in assessing and linking to it per WP:YOUTUBE because in some cases there might be serious copyright concerns or original research concerns that make it unsuitable for Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:04, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fisforfenia, it's a bit like asking "is the internet a reliable source", see WP:RSPYT. CNN:s YT-channel has the reliabilty of CNN. A random persons YT-channel may have some WP:ABOUTSELF/WP:BLOGS use, but it doesn't help the argument for WP:N. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Trouble with vandalised references

Hello all, while patrolling the recent changes page I came upon a user (Elaniesmithnow) editing the Carisoprodol references and changing many of them to a commercial site to buy the drug. I've redone the edits but they only change them back, is there a way to report them to admins? I think it's gone unnoticed because it's subtle and they don't change the details on the reference, just the link. ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 07:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Notcharizard. Before seeking administrator assistance, you could post a message (or a WP:WARNing) on the other editor's user talk page to let them know why their edits are inappropriate per WP:SPAM#Warning spammers. This kind of thing probably falls under WP:REFSPAM and most refspammers probably are just going to keep going until stopped, but perhaps a message/warning could work. If they keep up with the edits at this or any other article, then at least they can't claim nobody warned them and will likely end up indefinitely blocked if you report them at WP:AIV. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I had seen warnings before but assumed they were only appropriate for admins to mwrite and didn't want to overstep anything. ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 07:58, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

​ Anyone can add a warning, but such warnings generally try to be a "one size fits all" type of boilerplate template that can generate a heated response from the user you warn. Many experienced editors, in particular, don't like being templated. Sometimes adding a warning and then following up with a more personal message can soften the blow and make being warned less of a shock. For a new user with a blank user talk page, a welcome template like Template:Welcomespam might be a little better. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

That makes sense, thanks for explaining so clearly and the extra info, genuinely very helpful! ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 08:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

​You might want to add your signature to the welcome template you added to that user's talk page. Some welcome templates automatically add is for you, but others don't. Adding your signature will at least let them know who posted the template. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

External Links Modified

FYI

 – added header --Maresa63 ^Talk 05:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

The internet website "Internet Archive" provides a great wealth of content to footnotes. Should we refrain from using it? Lord Milner (talk) 04:50, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Why do you think that doing so might be a good idea, Lord Milner? -- Hoary (talk) 06:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Please have a read of WP:LINKROT, Lord Milner. ColinFine (talk) 09:33, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Image size

Hi! I'd like to add a picture on the article Josephine (singer) but when I add the picture it becomes huge and it takes a lot of space. Does anyone know what is the perfect size for a picture? Fisforfenia (talk) 11:04, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fisforfenia: Most infobox templates will automatically size images to fit best with the infobox; so, all that you really need to do is add the file's syntax and let the template do the rest. As for File:Josephine Wendel(Greek Singer).jpg, there is an issue with the file that you should sort out before trying to add it to any Wikipedia articles. Did you take this photograph yourself or did you find it somewhere online? Please take a careful look at c:Commons:Licensing and c:Commons:Own work to make sure you not mistakenly uploading photos taken by others as your own work. I also suggest you take a look at c:Commons:Screenshots with respect to File:LØREN (amfatb mv).jpg because this one also seems to be not your "own work". "Own work" means actually taking the photo yourself; it doesn't mean finding the photo online or taking a screenshot of a video created by someone else. Unless you can sort out the issues with the files, they are going to need to be deleted from Commons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:59, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I think the help page for pictures would help. (TL;DR)  [[File:File.ext|YOUR SIZEpx]] QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 11:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Polite request for help with DPL bot

New editor here! I have received a message saying that when I recently edited CPRE, The Countryside Charity page, I added a link pointing to the disambiguation page CPRE.

My queries are:

What have I done wrong? How do I find the part of the page where I did it? How do I correct it?

Grateful for any help and I promise I will make notes so I don't do it again!

Visual editor please. -- ~~~~

Balance person (talk) 11:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Balance person. The bot is letting you know that one of the links you added is to a disambiguation page. Generally, it's much better to link to an actual article page than a disambiguation page because the latter is like linking to a a page in a phone book and expecting the reader to search through the entire page until they find the name you want them to find. It's so much better to simply provide a link to that specific name to start with. Anyway, the link you added was for the |publisher= parameter of one of the citations you added to the article. I believe I fixed it and you can check the page's history to see what I did. Instead of linking to [[CPRE]], you should WP:PIPE the link as [[CPRE, The Countryside Charity|CPRE]] instead; so that the link goes to the intended article and not the disambiguation page. However, in this case though the link is basically WP:SELFRED in that it links back to the same page where the citation is; so, the link won't actually go anywhere and is not really needed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:49, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Marchjuly for sorting that out so fast. I understand what I did wrong now, thanks to your clear analogy with the phone book! Balance person (talk) 12:07, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Actually the CPRE page has just one blue link and one red link, so I think per WP:DDD it should be a redirect. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Adding a page for someone

 Courtesy link: Ian Moore (comedian)

There is a comedian who I was addressing for the Wiki page for and have not found. He's been on TV, had 3 punished books, so I think he's worth a page.

I've got as far as making a page and putting in an introduction. But I cannot figure out how to link to the external sources (other than linking the whole web page) or put in a picture.

Am I even allowed to start new pages? Whenever I try they just seem to get deleted. Fairysweetness (talk) 13:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fairysweetness:, you can write an article about someone, but I have two suggestions. Firstly, make sure you can find a decent handful of sources where people independent of the person you're writing about, write about them. You will need newspaper articles, books. Just being on TV won't do, nor will writing a book. Information that the publishers spread about the book isn't independent. What you need is someone else, for example a newspaper journalist writing an article about the book. If you can find a couple of such sources, then you are in a position to write an article. Have a read of Help:Your_first_article. My second suggestion is to use the articles for creation process rather than just dumping the article in main space yourself. It won't make any difference to the likelihood of the article remaining. New articles dumped into main space are reviewed (mercilessly!) by people who think very similarly to the articles-for-creation reviewers, and draft space is a kind space to improve an article until it's ready for main space. Elemimele (talk) 13:34, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

... and from a practical perspective, if you want to know how to format pictures etc., find a similar article that already exists, and that you like, and open it for editing to see how it's done. You can use bits of it as templates. For sourcing, if you're using the full editor, look for the Templates bit at the top left, hover over the drop-down arrow, and you'll see a list of cite forms. You can select the best match, and fill in whatever you can. The template will build a reference for you. Elemimele (talk) 13:36, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Ian_Moore_(comedian) Elemimele (talk) 13:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Someone moved it for you. Edit it at the link above, and when you're ready, click on the blue button in the box at the top, to submit it for review... Elemimele (talk) 13:39, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with sockpuppetry - update

This is an update to my earlier post, so check that before this one. Anyways, that one is almost archived, and no one checks it anymore, so I’m just going to state my question here. Can I make a request at Wikipedia:Changing usernames on the Maccoun account to change the username to Vamsi20_alt and explain the reason given in the earlier post? Vamsi20 (talk) 16:25, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Anyone can request a name change, yes. Giving the actual reason for why you want to change it is a required step so it appears you are on the right path so far. There may be a plethora of opinions as to whether you should request a name change or not. You definitely don't have to change the user name so long as you have properly announced the link between the accounts. --ARoseWolf 16:31, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@ARoseWolf

So I can change the name? Vamsi20 (talk) 16:39, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Vamsi20, you can't change the name. You can, however, request a global name change by going to the link you provided at the start of this thread and following those instructions. No one here is going to give you permission to do it because it doesn't require our permission. If you think it's best to change the user name of that account then go for it and good luck. Just make sure to properly disclose the link between the two even if the username change is successful. --ARoseWolf 16:44, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@ARoseWolf I have requested a username change on Maccoun. Guess we’ll have to wait and see! Vamsi20 (talk) 19:55, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

The rename worked! Vamsi20 alt (talk) 14:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

A new wikipedia user/author seems to be the biography subject edited

Dear fellows, the User Tuliodna who edited Tulio de Oliveira seems to be the real Tulio de Oliveira. Tuliodna seems to be absolutely sure about biographical facts. Not needing a reference/source to prove what he says.(!?!) Do you have a policy how to talk to this new member? (Be very polite, Tulio de Oliveira rescued human lives!). I am not able to do this talk, whether or not i know the policies, i am only en-2. I am even less than en-2 when talking about opinions and so on. --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 15:11, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Himbeerbläuling Welcome to the Teahouse. I'll have a go for you. I've added a couple of 'citation needed' tags to the two sentences about awards he added, and removed some trivia from the lead which is covered elsewhere. I think these are well-meant edits, so I'll go gently! The normal policy is to leave a polite message on the users talk page, stating that, for living people, we do need to have all factual statements about awards, achievements and personal life verifiable from published sources (or simply left out if the person knows it to be true, but can't demonstrate it to be so). We also ask that, if the editor is also the subject of the article, that they resist changing the article itself, but make an WP:EDITREQUEST on the relevant article's talk page instead. Thank you for raising this matter. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done Nick Moyes (talk) 16:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

A question about Kiev or Kyiv?

Recently, I found out that the capital of Ukraine has two names(Kiev, Kyiv) in our projects, even in the same article, should they be replaced massively since Ukraine has changed the name? Pavlov2 (talk) 03:43, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure about mass-replacing of the spellings; I think it's something to do with Ukraine under Russian control versus independent Ukraine. Perhaps someone can elaborate on that. I can however share these links: see Kyiv § Etymology, KyivNotKiev, and Talk:Kyiv/Archive 7 § Requested move 28 August 2020. Also, note in the future that this page is for asking questions about the processes of editing Wikipedia; this might be better-suited for Talk:Kyiv. Bsoyka (talk) 03:51, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I have no opinion of the city. However, I have stated my opinion on the talk page of the article Elisiv of Kiev, because someone changed the spelling of Kiev there, perhaps due to a misunderstanding. In that case, the name does not refer to the city, it refers to the old Kingdom of Kievan Rus' and royalty take the name spelling of their kingdoms. Regardless if the name spelling of the city is change in Wikipedia, it will still have nothing to do with the spelling of the name of Elisiv of Kiev and the other royalty of Kievan Rus', since they take their spelling from the old kingdom, not from the city. Those are two separate issues. The spelling of the name of Kievan Rus is a different topic altogether. That old Kingdom excisted before both Russia and Ukraine and none of the modern states has any claim to it (unlike the city), so that requires a separate discussion from that of the city. --Aciram (talk) 03:56, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, and I'd to apologize that I moved the article and came here to ask a question because of the misunderstanding, at that time, these two kinds of name is in that article. Now seemingly this question is not valid and seemingly the case solved. Thanks a lot to @Aciramand @Bsoyka Pavlov2 (talk) 04:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

My own view of things: it used to be that the English name of that city was Kiev, and the Ukrainian name, transliterated into the Latin alphabet, was Kyiv. Ukrainians used to complain about the use of the Kiev spelling in en:Wikipedia and other English-language sources; and English speakers said that Ukrainians have no control over the English language, and that Italians never complain about us calling their capital city Rome while they call it Roma. In the last month, English speakers have become much more sympathetic to Ukrainians. Maproom (talk) 08:25, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

For the reasons you gave, the well-established and easy-to-pronounce English exonym should be used: Kiev. Very few Danes, if any, would demand that we call their capital København in English. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:01, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Except that Wikipedia's policy is generally to use the name that is most commonly used in English-language sources, which now seem to lean towards Kyiv; see, for example, the BBC, Guardian and NYT. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Filmpgraphy Issue

Hi there!

I am trying to add the filmography credits. I add it below the title == Filmography == but when I look at the preview it puts it under References all the way on the bottom. Can someone please help me troubleshoot this?

Much appreciated, CS Cadyas (talk) 16:57, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello CS Cadyas, and welcome to the Teahouse. I take it this is about Draft:Kadia Saraf? That is how references are supposed to work. You put them in the section where the information is that they support, and the software puts an index nubmer there, and collects the citations under ==References==: See CITE.

I need to ask: judging from your username, I think you may be Saraf, or closely connected with her. If you are, please read about editing with a conflict of interest|. If you are not, it would probably be a good idea to explain this on your user page (which you haven't created yet), to allay suspicion. (IT's fine not to have a user page, by the way. But if you wanted to explain your connection or non-connection with Saraf, that would be a good place to do it). ColinFine (talk) 17:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Would this person be deemed notable by Wikipedia standards?

I am writing a biography for Dean Telano.

He is an author, blogger, exercise physiologist, Naturopath, Reiki Master, Qi Gong Master, meditation coach, Buddhist minister, and gong master. He has also started a 501(c)3 organization called Kind Karma Worldwide that offers different classes and experiences based on his skills.

The sources include https://www.yogacabana.com/profile.b.507.r.51294.u.6f1d01.html

https://www.wellness.com/dir/1527034/yoga-teacher/nc/charlotte/dean-telano-kind-karma-worldwide-----phd-e-ryt-500-rcyt-rpyt-kkrgm-#referrer

Merritt, Jim, “Asking the Clergy: Is it possible to love your enemy?” Newsday, July 14 2015, p. 3

I haven't started creating the page yet, so I don't have a link to share. Didn't want to do that before finding out if he will pass the notability requirements. Thank you.

Budgbasics (talk) 16:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for asking this here. To be notable for Wikipedia, the subject must have significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. The sources you provided are not significant, independent, or reliable. For example a directory or profile listing can be submitted by the subject, so is therefore not independent. Unless you have better sources, this subject would likely not qualify as notable here. I hope that helps. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:43, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

• Budgbasics, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, this individual does seem to be a lot of things, but we need reliable sources to verify if or not they really are notable, to know if a source is reliable please read WP:RS, to save you the stress of reading what took me years to master, you see, even though it goes deeper than this, there is a simple test to check if or not a source is reliable, (a) check for the presence of editorial oversight, look at the “about us” in the source's homepage, (b) check if the source has a reputation for fact checking, also you could google the source in question and look up things for yourself. If you have more questions please do not hesitate to let us know. Celestina007 (talk) 16:52, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

  Thank you - this has been quite the learning curve. I appreciate your help. Budgbasics (talk) 18:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, very helpful. Budgbasics (talk) 18:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Using My Own Work As Reference

Hello If, in the course of editing a Wikipedia article, I find a factual error or a statement that needs a citation, and the only viable source of that citation is an article which I wrote for a newspaper or magazine, am I allowed to use my own work as the citation?--LJA123 (talk) 17:49, 2 April 2022 (UTC) LJA123 (talk) 17:49, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

If it's published in a newspaper or magazine that could be considered a reliable source, then yes. Be careful though, because it sounds like you might have a conflict of interest, which you may need to declare on your user page, or which may even make you unfit to edit the article. For more information about conflicts of interest, please see WP:COI. — Jthistle38 (talk) 18:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, LJA123. Guidance on this can be found at WP:SELFCITE. Cullen328 (talk) 18:58, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

High school national record for the Marathon update

At the Salisbury Marathon 2022 Tim Synowiec ran 2:22:50 on a USATF certified and Boston qualifying course. If an update could be made to the page, that would be great. Thanks 2601:153:900:8660:0:0:0:E6BA (talk) 18:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Teahouse if you have a reliable source backing up your information, then yes. If not, that is considered original research. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:02, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Uploade File

Hi, I would like to upload a movie poster for this article 09 (film) هۆگر صڵاح (talk) 19:04, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@هۆگر صڵاح: Hello and welcome, to upload a file, make sure you are at the top of the page and look at the left side of the screen. Under contribute there should be something saying Upload file. Once you click on that, click on Upload a non-free file (because movie posters are copywritten). Then fill out all the information and hit upload file. Note that the movie posters and other copywritten images must pass WP:NFCCP before being uploaded. I hope this helps! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft

I was wondering if there is a place where you can ask someone to look at your draft or not. If not then I guess I could ask here cause my draft, Black Krrsantan, has been in draft space for a month now. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: it is aready submitted for review. see the note on the draft: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,868 pending submissions waiting for review." RudolfRed (talk) 19:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I know that. I was just asking if someone could accept (or decline) it. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:31, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Someone will take care of it eventually. As stated in the note on the draft, drafts are reviewed in no specific order. Bsoyka (talk) 20:09, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Is Spotify a reliable source?

Can I use this to source a 'Soundtrack' section in BAC Nord (section not yet added)? Excellenc1 (talk) 17:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Excellenc1. I think that the relevant part of WP:RSPAMAZON would apply similarly to Spotify: Amazon is a reliable source for basic information about a work (such as release date, ISBN, etc.), although it is unnecessary to cite Amazon when the work itself may serve as a source for that information (e.g., authors' names and ISBNs). WP:VENDOR gives similar advice: use an independent source if available, but a commercial source may be used. ColinFine (talk) 20:50, 2 April 2022 (UTC)