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Requested moves

• 20 Nov 2024 – Michelle C. Chang (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Michelle Chang (biochemist) by Zxcvbnm (t · c); see discussion
• 20 Nov 2024 – Leonid Kadeniuk (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Leonid Kadenyuk by Evedawn99 (t · c); see discussion
• 19 Nov 2024 – Kate Abdo (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Kate Scott (British presenter) by 162 etc. (t · c); see discussion
• 19 Nov 2024 – Martin Doughty (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Sir Martin Doughty by Procrastinatory (t · c); see discussion
• 18 Nov 2024 – QUIN (singer) (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Quiñ by मल्ल (t · c); see discussion
• 18 Nov 2024 – Abdulaziz bin Turki Al Saud (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Abdulaziz bin Turki Al Faisal by High surv (t · c); see discussion
• 18 Nov 2024 – Carmen Smith (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Carmen Smith (singer-songwriter) by Chessrat (t · c); see discussion
• 18 Nov 2024 – Kim Ju-ae (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Kim Jong Un's daughter by Piotrus (t · c); see discussion
• 16 Nov 2024 – Kentarō Itō (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Kentaro Ito (actor, born 1974) by Theparties (t · c); see discussion
• 16 Nov 2024 – Racial views of Donald Trump (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Accusations of racism against Donald Trump by JacktheBrown (t · c); see discussion

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MOS and extent of coverage about family members

There is currently a disagreement over the extent of coverage about family tree in the lede in an individual's page Talk:Jack_Schlossberg#NPOV_and_due_weight_issues. I have checked several random biography pages listed as Good Article and didn't come across articles covering family like this in the lede. The edit in disagreement is Special:Diff/1249973757. In biography articles about individuals, is it customary to go over family pedigree like this in the lede section? Graywalls (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Joan Crawford

Joan Crawford has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:58, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Dear Rabbi Ginsberg, I received your cake of blessing for a good year. I am lighting a candle for your New Year blessing. I thank you. I believe you knew my father Vendyl Jones. Truth is a hard road and my prayers are with you.

Sarah Richardson A humble(within) servant of Hashem 2A02:14F:1EC:5FAB:0:0:9B48:1249 (talk) 17:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Article for Deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rina Lipa

There is an article for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rina Lipa that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Ckfasdf (talk) 23:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

UK nationalities

Can someone point me to the bit of guidance around how you describe the nationality of someone from the United Kingdom or one of its component countries i.e. British vs. English vs. Scottish vs. Welsh? I know it exists I'm just struggling to find it. Thanks in advance. 10mmsocket (talk) 08:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

@10mmsocket, WP:UKNATIONALS essay is the only one that comes to mind, while not formal guideline/policy, clears a bit. The modern use section can be summed up as; find the most common nationality of a subject (noting some non-UK sources may be incorrect), if that fails, find the subject's self-preference. Of course any dispute may be raised at a subject's talk page. DankJae 21:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

If WP:RS touching on the subject cannot be found, play safe & use "British". If a solid "subject's self-preference" can be found, that trumps almost all other sources. But it cannot always be assumed that someone eg born in Cardiff thinks of themselves as Welsh. British ethnic minorities often choose "British" to describe themselves, rather than a more specific identity. Johnbod (talk) 04:06, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Johnbod and @DankJae. Thanks both, that's really useful. 10mmsocket (talk) 21:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Kekal

Kekal has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Kelvin Tan

Kelvin Tan has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:35, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Matt Byrne

Matt Byrne has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

David Lammy

There is a current RFC at Talk:David Lammy#RfC: First sentence which is discussing how the subject should be described. Editors are invited to participate. TarnishedPath^talk 14:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Ahmad Hasan Dani

Ahmad Hasan Dani has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Request for Assistance with Article on Mohiuddin Ahmed

Hello WikiProject members,

I am seeking assistance in improving the article on Mohiuddin Ahmed, a key figure in the Bangladesh Liberation War and a former senior diplomat. The article is currently facing a deletion discussion, and I would greatly appreciate your guidance to ensure it meets Wikipedia's standards. Below are some links to credible sources where Mohiuddin Ahmed's contributions have been highlighted:

Mohiuddin Ahmed: That Spirit of Trafalgar Square: This article reflects on Mohiuddin Ahmed’s defection at Trafalgar Square during the Liberation War and his role in mobilizing the international community.

Mohiuddin Ahmed, first diplomat in Europe to pledge allegiance to Bangladesh in 1971, dies aged 80: Coverage of Mohiuddin Ahmed’s defection and legacy as a diplomat.

Ex-secretary Mohiuddin Ahmed dies: Dhaka Tribune article on his death, mentioning his extensive diplomatic career and his significant contributions to Bangladesh’s foreign service.

Eminent diplomat Mohiuddin Ahmed dies: This article in New Age discusses his defection and his later contributions as a diplomat.

Fearless Diplomat Mohiuddin Ahmed: A tribute to Mohiuddin Ahmed, covering his role as a freedom fighter and diplomat.

Mohiuddin Ahmed no more: This article in The Business Standard highlights his career, mentioning his service in various key diplomatic roles across the globe.

Foreign Minister AK Abdul Momen mourns passing of Mohiuddin Ahmed: This article includes statements from Bangladesh’s foreign minister, recognizing Mohiuddin Ahmed’s contributions to the nation.

These links highlight his pivotal role in the Bangladesh Liberation War and his post-war diplomatic career. I would appreciate any help with reviewing the article to ensure it meets Wikipedia’s standards for notability and verifiability.

Thank you for your time, and I look forward to your assistance.

J1477 (talk) 16:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

This COI user has been blocked for WP:FORUMSHOP. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:56, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:John Reilly (actor, born 1934)#Requested move 7 October 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:John Reilly (actor, born 1934)#Requested move 7 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Juan Fageda#Requested move 5 October 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Juan Fageda#Requested move 5 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 06:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Drawings in place of photos

See Grace E. Pickford, and Vonda N. McIntyre (before I removed it). I get it, there's no photo of these people but are these drawings really okay to use. If it was an approved drawing by the article's subject or otherwise well-known drawing, or by a famous artist but this is just someone drew it and uploaded it to Commons. Mika1h (talk) 10:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

THese look like fairground characatures, no they are not OK, find better pictures. Slatersteven (talk) 10:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

https://oiss.yale.edu/women-at-yale-50-150/grace-evelyn-pickford-united-kingdom

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/05/obituaries/vonda-n-mcintyre-dead.html

Did not even take long. Slatersteven (talk) 10:39, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Christine and the Queens#Requested move 26 October 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Christine and the Queens#Requested move 26 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Web-julio (talk) 00:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Women in Red November 2024

Women in Red | November 2024, Vol 10, Issue 11, Nos 293, 294, 321, 322, 323 Online events: New: Asian women | Geofocus: Islands Q-Z | Women in engineering Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcements from other communities Annual Wikipedia Asian Month (WAM) is an online campaign designed to boost Asian content on Wikipedia each November. Unreferenced articles backlog drive. These Wikiproject clean-up lists offer a start to November's backlog drive, e.g. Women's History and Women writers Tip of the month: Looking for an image? Sometimes you can find openly licensed images at search.creativecommons.org/ Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

--Lajmmoore (talk 20:44, 29 October 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Good article reassessment for Andrew Fisher

Andrew Fisher has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 12:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Abigail Williams#Requested move 23 October 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Abigail Williams#Requested move 23 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 19:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Vyacheslav Molotov

Vyacheslav Molotov has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 13:16, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Robert Roberson case#Requested move 26 October 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Robert Roberson case#Requested move 26 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 17:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Amon Tobin

Amon Tobin has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for John D. Rockefeller

John D. Rockefeller has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 14:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Aneurin Bevan

Aneurin Bevan has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Haile Selassie

Haile Selassie has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Do WP:BIO guidelines exist?

Hi. Can someone tell me if WikiProject Biography has any guidelines? (I come from a city article that has clear guidelines at WP:USCITIES.)

Today I looked at the Donald Trump article and was dismayed to find his §Personal life featured first. That seems a tad disrespectful. I realize that article has seen extended controversy and so I don't want to rock the boat there, and decided to ask you instead.

I have read much of the archives on "Personal life" and can see individuals arguing on and on. The biographies I've written always start with §Early life, and sometimes §Early life and family or §Early life, family, and education. Your assessment section offers Mary Shelley as exemplar for a featured article. The linked version there begins with §Biography (to which I object). But then I looked at the live version which has been fixed to start §Life and career.

Might I suggest that some guideline would help? MOS:BIO is a good start but doesn't ever get past nomenclature. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

After a week, withdrawing the question. Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

RFC Notice: Should grey literature from advocacy groups and other similar orgs always be considered WP:SPS and therefore subject to WP:BLPSPS?

See here: RFC: Should grey literature from advocacy groups and other similar orgs always be considered WP:SPS and therefore subject to WP:BLPSPS? Bluethricecreamman (talk) 02:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Note that this RfC has now been moved to Requests for comment/Grey Literature FactOrOpinion (talk) 19:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Robert Miller (businessman)#Requested move 2 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Robert Miller (businessman)#Requested move 2 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 19:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Consensus/standard for birth_place?

Biographies like Phillip Lenard use {{Infobox scientist}} which calls for parameter birth_place. When the name has changed, editors seem compelled to alter the name many possible permutations of the old and new name. I would like to know if there is a consensus here on at least which, old or modern should go first? According to Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Use_modern_names it seems the modern one should be first. Johnjbarton (talk) 02:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, that guideline is mostly for the titles of articles about cities and countries. I would probably put any trivia in a note (using {{efn}}) or in the article body. The infobox doesn't need trivia. I guess I'd probably default to the place name at the time someone was born. That's what {{infobox person}} says to do, and it's what high profile good articles like George Washington do. I don't think it really matters which way it goes, though. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Personally I don't care one way or another, but the bio articles churn because different editors decide the old/new name should exist/not exist be first/not first. I was hoping for any single choice. Johnjbarton (talk) 23:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Joseph McCarthy

Joseph McCarthy has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Neal Boortz

Neal Boortz has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Informal discussion

An informal discussion of article issues, a "Before opening a reassessment", has been initiated at Talk:Dylan Thomas#Article issues and classification -- Otr500 (talk) 14:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Iskandar of Johor

Iskandar of Johor has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Michael Scott (film director)#Requested move 2 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Michael Scott (film director)#Requested move 2 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 00:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Martha Hughes Cannon

Martha Hughes Cannon has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 01:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Hoodoo Gurus

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Good article reassessment for Anggun

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Requested move at Talk:Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq#Requested move 8 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq#Requested move 8 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 22:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Lisa Smart (British politician)#Requested move 12 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Lisa Smart (British politician)#Requested move 12 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 00:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Dick Cheney

Dick Cheney has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)