Talk:Catherine Wedd
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
A fact from Catherine Wedd appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 November 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
|
Did you know nomination
edit- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 22:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Vanessa Weenink
- Ryan Hamilton (New Zealand politician)
- Suze Redmayne
- Katie Nimon
- Tim Costley
- Catherine Wedd
- Tom Rutherford
- Dana Kirkpatrick
- David MacLeod
- Grant McCallum
- James Meager
- Mike Butterick
- Miles Anderson (politician)
- Hamish Campbell
- Rima Nakhle
- Carl Bates
- Greg Fleming (politician)
- Jamie Arbuckle
- Casey Costello
- Tanya Unkovich
- Reuben Davidson
- Cushla Tangaere-Manuel
- Scott Willis (politician)
- Darleen Tana
- Tākuta Ferris
- Laura Trask
- Cameron Luxton
- Carlos Cheung
- Todd Stephenson
- Takutai Moana Kemp
- Mariameno Kapa-Kingi
- Kahurangi Carter
- Nancy Lu
- ALT0
... that 30 new MPs were elected to the 54th New Zealand Parliament: x for National including Vanessa Weenink, Ryan Hamilton, Suze Redmayne, Katie Nimon, Dana Kirkpatrick, David MacLeod, Grant McCallum, James Meager, Angee Nicholas, Mike Butterick, Miles Anderson, Rima Nakhle, Carl Bates, Greg Fleming, Carlos Cheung, and Blair Cameron; x for New Zealand First, including Jamie Arbuckle, Casey Costello, and Tanya Unkovich; x for Labour, including Reuben Davidson and Cushla Tangaere-Manuel; x for Greens, including Scott Willis and Darleen Tana; x for Te Pāti Māori, including Tākuta Ferris and Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke; and x for Act, including Laura Trask and Cameron Luxton?Source: Discussed in nomination - ALT1
... that New Zealand's 2023 election saw almost a third of parliament being new MPs, including Cushla Tangaere-Manuel, Reuben Davidson, Darleen Tana, Scott Willis (pictured clockwise from top left), Vanessa Weenink, Ryan Hamilton, Suze Redmayne, Katie Nimon, Tim Costley, Catherine Wedd, Tom Rutherford, Dana Kirkpatrick, David MacLeod, Grant McCallum, James Meager, Angee Nicholas, Mike Butterick, Miles Anderson, Hamish Campbell, Rima Nakhle, Carl Bates, Greg Fleming, Carlos Cheung, Blair Cameron, Jamie Arbuckle, Casey Costello, Tanya Unkovich, Tākuta Ferris, Laura Trask, Todd Stephenson, and Cameron Luxton?Source: Fully referenced in 2023 New Zealand general election#New MPs - ALT2
... that New Zealand's 2023 election saw a third of parliament being new MPs, including Cushla Tangaere-Manuel, Reuben Davidson, Darleen Tana, Scott Willis (pictured clockwise from top left), Kahurangi Carter, Vanessa Weenink, Ryan Hamilton, Suze Redmayne, Katie Nimon, Tim Costley, Catherine Wedd, Tom Rutherford, Dana Kirkpatrick, David MacLeod, Grant McCallum, James Meager, Mike Butterick, Miles Anderson, Hamish Campbell, Rima Nakhle, Carl Bates, Greg Fleming, Carlos Cheung, Jamie Arbuckle, Casey Costello, Tanya Unkovich, Tākuta Ferris, Takutai Moana Kemp, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi, Laura Trask, Todd Stephenson, and Cameron Luxton?Source: Fully referenced in 2023 New Zealand general election#New MPs - ALT3 ... that New Zealand's 2023 election saw a third of parliament being new MPs, including Carlos Cheung, Grant McCallum, Suze Redmayne, Dana Kirkpatrick, Ryan Hamilton, James Meager, Greg Fleming, Vanessa Weenink, Mike Butterick, Katie Nimon, David MacLeod, Miles Anderson, Carl Bates, Rima Nakhle, Nancy Lu, Cushla Tangaere-Manuel, Reuben Davidson, Scott Willis, Darleen Tana, Takutai Moana Kemp (all pictured), Kahurangi Carter, Todd Stephenson, Laura Trask, Cameron Luxton, Tākuta Ferris, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi, Casey Costello, Jamie Arbuckle, and Tanya Unkovich? Source: Fully referenced in 2023 New Zealand general election#New MPs
To reviewers: This may look daunting, but it's as simple as any other nomination. Pick one article from the box below, place a note in the large table in the column 'Review status' that you are reviewing that one, and leave the review comments at the bottom of this nomination form. Review one at a time. The hook fact needs to be reviewed once only.
- Reviewed: see table below
- Comment: It's New Zealand election time, which means mass DYK nomination time also! Last time we managed a 19-article hook (see Ibrahim Omer), this time we're aiming a little higher. Special votes are still being counted, however, so we will finalise the numbers in the hook as the numbers shake out over the next couple of weeks.
We will add a table below to mark off QPQs as we go (I can't figure out how to do that on this new submission template!). As we are still sorting out some of the stubs, may I suggest people don't review anything until it has a QPQ against it? We will also likely add an image. Cheers, DrThneed (talk) 23:08, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Created by DrThneed (talk), Schwede66 (talk), Idiosyncritic (talk), Pokelova (talk), Kiwichris (talk), Villian Factman (talk), MerrilyPutrid (talk), Moondragon21 (talk), and MW691 (talk). Nominated by DrThneed (talk) at 23:08, 17 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Vanessa Weenink; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
DrThneed and I worked on a nomination statement at the same time, not knowing that we were working in parallel. Let me post what I wrote; this also addresses the issue raised by Kiwichris. One of the things I did is organise a table with all new MPs plus sources for that; I come to 38 40 new MPs.
We've had a general election in New Zealand and just like in 2011 and 2020, we'd like to make a mass-nomination for some of the new bios of incoming members of parliament. I don't think we made similar nominations after the 2014 and 2017 elections. The election results aren't final yet and some things will change. However, it'll no doubt take a wee while to look through these nominations and therefore, I propose that we take our time and wait for the final results to come in on 3 November, adjust the nomination to suit, and then run this on the main page. I shall also outline how the electoral system works, how that in turn changes the results once the final votes come in. That's important to understand for verifying the hook facts.
We use a mixed-member proportional representation (MMP) system in New Zealand. The overall composition of parliament is determined by the party vote, where party lists are used to achieve proportionality. The other way of getting into parliament is to win an electorate outright. Some electorate votes are incredibly close (there are seven electorates where the difference in vote between the preliminary winner and the second-placed candidate are below 500 votes, with something like 33,000 votes being cast per electorate and 20% of the vote not having been included yet in the preliminary results). Those electorate results are thus uncertain. And the overall composition may change, with the special votes generally favouring the left block. There has always been change for as long as we've had MMP between preliminary and final results, and that won't be any different this time either.
In terms of the hook facts, what will change is:
- how many new MPs we get, and
- who they will be
What we nominate now is based on the preliminary results. I'll indicate below whether it's a close race and the candidate isn't 100% confirmed. That could be because the electorate vote is close, or the candidate is the lowest-ranked one on the list who got in. The definition that we use for "new MP" is someone who has not been in parliament before (as opposed to someone who has but wasn't there during the last term).
At this point, we have 38 39 new MPs. That is referenced in four articles by The Spinoff:
I've prepared a couple of tables but as hard as I try, I can't get them to display here. Find those tables in my sandbox. Oh, and I've currently got 7 QPQ in credit; happy to chip them in. But let us first get that table right (30 vs 39 new MPs). Schwede66 03:35, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, slight brain fart. Yes,
3840 new MPs, but 8 of those had articles already. That means that up to3132 bios are eligible. My table identifies "who is new in parliament" and "who is new to Wikipedia". Schwede66 03:42, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
The final results were published on 3 November. As predicted, there were some changes. DrThneed and I have moved the table of new MPs to Google Docs and here's a link. Here is everything that matters:
- Te Pāti Māori has now gained a second overhang seat, hence the size of the parliament is 122 seats instead of the 120 seats that is 'normal'
- We now have 41 new MPs (up from 40), i.e. just over one-third of the parliament has turned over
- There is no change to the number of new MPs who had a prior bio on Wikipedia; this remains at 8
- That is, we now have 33 new MPs who are new to Wikipedia (up from 32).
- We previously released 5 of those new MPs as individual nominations, i.e. there are now 28 bios in this mass-nomination (up from 27).
- The National Party has lost 2 of the new MPs; Blair Cameron and Angee Nicholas had (narrowly) won their electorates based on preliminary results but the final results show that the Labour Party incumbents held those seats; both Cameron and Nicholas have been removed from this nomination
- Te Pāti Māori candidates managed to win two more electorates from the Labour Party incumbents than the preliminary results had shown; Takutai Moana Kemp and Mariameno Kapa-Kingi are both new to parliament
- The Greens won an additional list seat due to a higher party vote share; Kahurangi Carter is new to parliament
- 2 new MPs out and 3 new MPs in is the change from preliminary to final results, hence the number of new MPs went up by 1; the 3 new MP bios got moved to main space today; we propose that these changes (2 losers out; 3 winners in) get reflected in the amended nomination.
I've thus amended the DYK header and DYK nompage links. ALT2 now provides the list of 28 new MPs that remain with this mass nomination, including the 3 new MPs who got confirmed today and whose bios got published today. I will update the 2023 New Zealand general election#New MPs section so that the hook fact can be verified.
And just in case you read something about 123 MPs and Nancy Lu being a new MP, well, that's something that is going to happen on 25 November. A by-election is scheduled, which will turn one of the existing list MPs—Andrew Bayly—into an electorate MP, which creates another overhand seat, and Nancy Lu will then become the replacement list MP. Lu will be the 42nd new MP of a parliament of then 123. But that's still three weeks away and by then, this nomination will hopefully be done and dusted. Schwede66 04:42, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Just a wee update:
- Well, the three weeks mentioned in the last post have nearly come and gone. The by-election is happening tomorrow and there won't be any surprises; Nancy Lu will become the 123rd MP as a result of that exercise. That's old news.
- The new news is that we are in the final stages of getting photos for all current National Party MPs signed off by the Commons permission team. That'll add quite a number of images to this exercise and if I've got my numbers right, we can make a collage with 20 photos. We have an editor on standby to produce that collage. Schwede66 22:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
As foreshadowed above, the "final act" of the general election has now happened and Nancy Lu has become the 42nd new MP in the process. Her article was published to mainspace on 25 November. The National Party photos have come through and have been verified by the Commons permission team. That means that we'll have 21 photos to go with the new bios and TheLoyalOrder has volunteered to produce a collage (yet to be done). I've written ALT3 reflecting the new photos and Lu, and struck ALT2 (which was outdated as not all the bios that have already run had been removed). Lastly, I've now fully documented the new MPs in 2023 New Zealand general election#New MPs, which serves as the hook fact. The electoral system that we use (mixed-member proportional representation) is not the most straightforward electoral system that one can think of, and if you have trouble following the description in the prose, maybe the Google Sheet (tab "changes with final results") makes things easier.
Great to see that the review process is well underway; DrThneed and I appreciate it! Schwede66 20:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Extended content
|
---|
General discussionComment: Perhaps this is WP:TOO SOON for some of these MPs-elecect? Vanessa Weenink has just an 83 vote lead prior to specials, Blair Cameron has just 54 and Angee Nicholas only 30. None of them are likely to be elected off the list either. Perhaps the DYK nomination could be put under the name of an MP more certain of being elected such as Tom Rutherford whose provisional majority is 13,182 votes? Kiwichris (talk) 01:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
And of those who are both new to parliament and new to Wikipedia, four of them have photos. My suggestion is that we produce a collage of those four, just as we produced a collage of the 9 in 2020 who we had photos for: Two of the four articles are as yet short of 1500 bytes of readable prose, but we'll fix that. Would someone with the right software be so kind to produce a collage of those four? Schwede66 03:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
DrThneed, Schwede66, I've been thinking about this. This is just playing with ideas, but I agree with NLH, more or less, that megahooks of this sort are tricky. I've also read all the articles in the set, and noticed the 1500+ character ones that are reasonably comfortably winners all have viable standalone hooks, some good enough it'd really be a shame to put them in a multi. Given we already have QPQs sorted for almost all that subset, it is possible to just break them out within this nomination, if that's a thing there's any enthusiasm for. There's obviously a lot of articles still to work on, and there might be good hooks that emerge for those. Not all these hooks are the-best-ever, but they're all at least "minimum viable hooks" and some are genuinely great.
These are absolutely just playing-with-ideas, not at all a hard suggestion, not at all a statement that a multihook isn't viable. But, did you know...
Campbell needs a QPQ, and Costley's isn't quite in the article yet (it's in the source, but the article is very unclear on what the video was). Otherwise, they're all eligible hooks. Some of them – Costley, Campbell, Maipi-Clarke, Luxton, Arbuckle, probably Davidson/Rutherford/Trask – are good enough it really stands out to me that we aren't running them. I'm not saying the multihook doesn't work, but, playing around with ideas, I think there are a lot of paths forward both running a multihook and running individual hooks, and they have their pros and cons. Vaticidalprophet 11:49, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
In any case, there's been some discussion at WT:DYK saying that if the multihook is to be accepted (and right now, consensus on whether to go ahead with it is ongoing), then it would probably need to be revised so that it would be interesting in its own right. That is, ALT0 might not be possible, but a different formulation like focusing on how at least a quarter of the MPs are new, might be possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Regarding the mechanics, I would think:
That should cover it all, I think. Unless somebody can think of other aspects. Just one issue – we can't use Reuben Davidson as a standalone nomination as he's one of the four bios where we have a photo. Schwede66 22:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Maipi-Clarke has now been nominated individually. I've struck things where appropriate, removed her from ALT1, and removed credits. Schwede66 12:05, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
DrThneed has nominated the other four individual nominations:
We should thus be all good. Let the review of the remaining bios start. Thanks to all who have commented and moved this along. Schwede66 00:16, 26 October 2023 (UTC) |
Reviews
edit- 0 Hook fact
- Not a bad hook, but more people will probably click due to the sheer volume of links Bremps... 22:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Concerned about the "4 from Te Pāti Māori" part on 2023 New Zealand general election. Source states two. Bremps... 22:16, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- I haven't updated the target article yet (sorry!) and it'll change again tomorrow with the 2023 Port Waikato by-election. I'll get onto it over the weekend. Please bear with me. Schwede66 22:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- Take your time. No rush. Bremps... 20:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
- Bremps, as noted above, the hook fact is now fully referenced. Please refer to the note above for the details. Schwede66 02:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- Schwede66 I am still concerned. I'm checking the citation for National, and it states that 23 new MPs were elected. Looking closer, at least two (Nicholas + Cameron) were projected winners that were ultimately not elected, and another two served in parliament before (Bidois + Garcia). That would come out to 19 (at most) elected National MPs that have never served in parliament before, but the article currently states that there are 21. Bremps... 03:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- Bremps, have you checked out the Google Sheet? That lists them all, plus the ones that the original Spinoff article counts as new MPs that were actually returning. And what happened when the final results came out isn't that straightforward to follow; again, the spreadsheet makes much clearer what's going on. Schwede66 03:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, the spreadsheet clears things up a lot. After reviewing the sources, I think I can give this a Pass Bremps... 03:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: Looking at promoting for prep 3 - Thursday. My question: Is the image accurate to use with the hook? It looks like we have a pic of 20 but that is not all of the people in the hook. Bruxton (talk) 18:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Bruxton, we have in fact 21 photos but ended up making a 4x5 grid, hence Kahurangi Carter misses out being pictured. For the others, we don't have photos. Hence, the hook as written is correct. BTW, it's a very high number of photos; I got lucky that I managed to talk the National Party into releasing candidate photos. You wouldn't know how many emails were exchanged... Schwede66 20:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: so we are ok publishing the image? The caption seems to say there were 20 new MPs but there are more, so maybe we can change the caption to reflect that the image is not all of the new MPs. Like "20 of the new MPs". It is slightly confusing to me. Bruxton (talk) 21:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Bruxton, we have in fact 21 photos but ended up making a 4x5 grid, hence Kahurangi Carter misses out being pictured. For the others, we don't have photos. Hence, the hook as written is correct. BTW, it's a very high number of photos; I got lucky that I managed to talk the National Party into releasing candidate photos. You wouldn't know how many emails were exchanged... Schwede66 20:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: Looking at promoting for prep 3 - Thursday. My question: Is the image accurate to use with the hook? It looks like we have a pic of 20 but that is not all of the people in the hook. Bruxton (talk) 18:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- 1 Vanessa Weenink
- Review:
- New enough: created on the 14th of October, nominated on the 17th
- Surpasses 1,500 characters of prose
- Action needed: Spot check reveals okay sourcing, but citation 6 (electoral commission) is broken. Archived edition seems to not mention the flip being the first time in 20 years.
- Earwig spits out "Violation Unlikely" with an impressive 2.0%
- Article is presentable
- No images, so no copyright issues there
- User:DrThneed seems to have donated a QPQ
- No other issues
- Fix the concern about the dead link and the 20-year-flip and we're good to go on this one. Bremps... 22:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- I've attended to those issues. Schwede66 23:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- 2 Ryan Hamilton
- Approved Recently created, long enough, well referenced, no obvious close paraphrasing, QPQ provided. There's a single bare URL in the citations but this can be easily fixed. 97198 (talk) 13:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review 97198, have fixed the bare URL. DrThneed (talk) 22:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- 3 Suze Redmayne
- Review:
- Just over 1,600 characters of prose
- Created on the 14th, nominated on the 17th
- Action needed: Spotcheck seems to check out. However, citation 7 (NZ Herald) states that "She has also served as a trustee of the Whanganui Community Foundation and is a trustee of Sport Whanganui." That suggests she may not be serving as a trustee for the first group anymore, so the tense will need to be changed.
- "Violation Unlikely", 9.9%
- Article is presentable (fine for display on main page)
- No images, so no copyright issues on that front
- DrThneed seems to have donated this
- No other issues
- Fix the issue above and we're good. Bremps... 21:32, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review Bremps, have changed it to 'is or has been' a trustee. DrThneed (talk) 22:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- Great, I can pass this Bremps... 22:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review Bremps, have changed it to 'is or has been' a trustee. DrThneed (talk) 22:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- 4 Katie Nimon
- Review:
- Squeaks over the 1,500 characters prose requirement
- Created on the 14th, nominated on the 17th
- Citations seem fine. Her education is cited to her campaign website (citation 3), but I can let it slide.
- "Violation Unlikely" at 7.4%
- Article is presentable
- No images, so no copyright concerns on that front
- DrThneed donated this QPQ
- No other issues
- This is a pass Bremps... 21:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- 8 Dana Kirkpatrick
- Moved to mainspace on 14 October. Citations fine. The quote is a bit unnecessary, but it doesn't count towards readable prose size so probably fine. Image tagged adequately. Article is neutral and well-written—hook fact, that she won the election, is cited in the article and verifiable from the citation. Earwig 2.9%, so no concern. QPQ done. No other issues. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- 9 David MacLeod
. Approved. New enough at time of nomination, having been moved to mainspace on 14 October. Meets length requirements. Sources check out; there's some use of Scoop press releases but only for non-contentious facts. Article is neutral and well-written, I've made a couple of minor fixes. No concerns from Earwig check (6.5%). The "hook" in this case is his election to Parliament which is definitely cited in the article and is approved above. I assume the picture needs to be reviewed; it looks good and appropriately licensed. Tick for QPQ by Schwede66. Overall, this one is good to go. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 01:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- 10 Grant McCallum
. Approved. New enough at time of nomination, having been moved to mainspace on 14 October. Meets length requirements. Each fact in the article is sourced. Article is neutral and reads fine; "at least two children" reads a bit oddly but that's what we know from the source. No concerns from Earwig check (only thing picked up is a direct quote by McCallum). Hook separately approved. Picture is good and appropriately licensed. QPQ by Lightburst, tick. Another one that is good to go. Chocmilk03 (talk) 05:57, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- 11 James Meager
NOTE: The following is copied from Template:Did you know nominations/James Meager; it cannot be transcluded because that separate nomination is being closed in favor of this page. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:10, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- Starting review... — Knightoftheswords 17:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
---|
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
---|
|
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
---|
|
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: The article would be eligible for DYK IMO, however, a single thing stands out that destroys the nom; this article was created in October and last made in November, so unfortunately I am going to fail this. Having since discovered that this is apart of a broader process, I am reversing my decision and suggesting a pass. — Knightoftheswords 17:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC) — Knightoftheswords 13:43, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
- Pity, we could have pulled an epic move and did it as an image hook. Bremps... 22:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Wait, it was actually nominated with a few other articles in mid-October here, shortly after creation. It was only spun out of the larger hook recently. Knightoftheswords281 Bremps... 22:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- No, we are not removing this from the mass nomination. Bremps, please transfer your review to the mass nomination. Schwede66 19:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, it's actually Knightoftheswords281 who reviewed this; please transfer your review to Template:Did you know nominations/Vanessa Weenink. Schwede66 19:33, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Wait, it was actually nominated with a few other articles in mid-October here, shortly after creation. It was only spun out of the larger hook recently. Knightoftheswords281 Bremps... 22:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- 12 Mike Butterick
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
---|
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
---|
|
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
---|
|
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:06, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- 13 Miles Anderson
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
---|
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
---|
|
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
---|
|
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- 15 Rima Nakhle
- Shivashree, you marked off Rima Nakhle as approved in the table above but you did not provide a rationale here why the bio is meeting the DYK requirements. Could you please attend to that? Schwede66 01:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- Whilst Shivashree marked the article as reviewed, there is no breakdown here how the article meets the requirement as is stipulated by the DYK review rules. As the reviewer hasn't responded to the request of providing the detail, someone else will need to review this. Schwede66 21:09, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, Shivashree. Two things. Regarding the article, you need to look at its history. It was moved into mainspace on 14 October and nominated for DYK on 17 October, i.e. it is new to mainspace. Regarding your signature, I have struck your time stamp as it shows you having made this comment 5 days ago, when in fact you commented a few minutes prior to my reply. Schwede66 04:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- My mistake. I didn't check the move log. Regarding the signature, I had posted my review on Template:Did you know nominations/Rima Nakhle and just copy-pasted from there. I see it doesn't work that way.
- The article qualifies on newness, notability, verifiable. GD (talk) 04:48, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, Shivashree. Two things. Regarding the article, you need to look at its history. It was moved into mainspace on 14 October and nominated for DYK on 17 October, i.e. it is new to mainspace. Regarding your signature, I have struck your time stamp as it shows you having made this comment 5 days ago, when in fact you commented a few minutes prior to my reply. Schwede66 04:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- 16 Carl Bates
AlmostJust long enough, reads neutrally. But careful about quotations: "people in the region ..." is a journalist's words, not Bates's, and should be paraphrased. Amazon likely isn't necessary to cite in either the body or list of books (which can cite themselves). Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)- Thanks for your review, Hameltion. I concur with your concerns and think that I've addressed all those issues. Please have another look and say if I've overlooked something / if there's room for further improvement. Schwede66 08:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- Approved OK. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 14:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for your review, Hameltion. I concur with your concerns and think that I've addressed all those issues. Please have another look and say if I've overlooked something / if there's room for further improvement. Schwede66 08:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- 17 Greg Fleming
AlmostGood except a bit more care needed around some topics. Suggest more immediately saying he disavowed his past views on civil unions and supports them now. Also the mention of "conversion therapy" is sourced entirely to an opinion piece, which makes me question its WP:DUEness. And in the other direction, Venn Foundation would benefit from a non-primary description. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)- I'll look into this. The first issue about conversion therapy, I shall state that Andrea Vance (the author of the opinion piece) is a senior journalist and you wouldn't expect anything "undue" from her.
That said, there are in fact two sources for his (historic) views on conversion therapy, and the second one says exactly the same thing that Vance stated in her piece. Hence I suggest that one is fine as is.I'll investigate the other issues, too. Schwede66 00:36, 19 December 2023 (UTC) - Sorry, I got dragged away from the computer and then went bush for a few days. Regarding "conversion therapy" being sourced entirely to an opinion piece, I've added another citation. I've introduced his change of views regarding civil unions at first mention. I've removed the direct quote regarding the Venn Foundation; what's there now is referenced by the Newshub source. Lastly, I've expanded the lead somewhat. Please let me know whether that addresses all the issues, Hameltion. Schwede66 08:21, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: Mention of conversion therapy still appears not entirely due: we've got just an unattributed opinion piece – by a journalist or not – and a new citation with just a passing mention of Fleming (yes, of course he led the organization at the time). The statement's contentious enough to have been vandalized in the week of this review; recommend finding stronger sourcing or paring back. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 14:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I've commented it out, Hameltion, and otherwise expanded the article. Let me know if it's ok now. Schwede66 02:23, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- Approved Hameltion (talk | contribs) 06:03, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I've commented it out, Hameltion, and otherwise expanded the article. Let me know if it's ok now. Schwede66 02:23, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: Mention of conversion therapy still appears not entirely due: we've got just an unattributed opinion piece – by a journalist or not – and a new citation with just a passing mention of Fleming (yes, of course he led the organization at the time). The statement's contentious enough to have been vandalized in the week of this review; recommend finding stronger sourcing or paring back. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 14:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'll look into this. The first issue about conversion therapy, I shall state that Andrea Vance (the author of the opinion piece) is a senior journalist and you wouldn't expect anything "undue" from her.
- 18 Jamie Arbuckle
- Approved All formally OK in length, neutrality, sourcing, no copyvio. Could use some added information about any political positions or goals, achievements on council, etc. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- 19 Casey Costello
Almost
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
---|
Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - See below.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
---|
|
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Expanded three refs, fixed a typo, but I am concerned about the undue weight issues with said refs concerning the New Conservatives Party, especially since two of them are primary (one of them is FB) and the article could really use a secondary source like this. Otherwise looks good. ミラP@Miraclepine 05:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for improving those references, Miraclepine, and for your review. I've had a go and improved a bunch of things, including what you pointed to in your review. Good find regarding your suggested ref; I regard Alex Braae as the top authority on fringe parties. Please let me know whether the article is now up to spec. Schwede66 23:44, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: I removed one minor thing not supported by the sources, but other than that, Approved. ミラP@Miraclepine 23:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- 20 Tanya Unkovich
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
---|
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
---|
|
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
---|
|
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Had to remove an unverifiable detail sourced to a now-private YouTube video, but otherwise looks good. ミラP@Miraclepine 03:14, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- 21 Reuben Davidson
- Approved Meets requirements. Though education seems to be missing and could add margin of victory in 2023. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 17:40, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review Hameltion. Have added his broadcasting degree (I don't think we know anything else about his education), and the margin in the final results. DrThneed (talk) 01:16, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- 22 Cushla Tangaere-Manuel
- Approved Removed one seemingly trivial detail, otherwise quite well done. Lede could at least mention broadcasting and sports administration. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 17:40, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks Hameltion, have attended to that. DrThneed (talk) 01:22, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- 23 Scott Willis
- Approved Resolved mild OR with copyedit. Could use broader statement of what his activism/service career has consisted of/benefit from more independent sourcing. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 17:40, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review Hameltion. I've added a couple of extra sources (there's been surprisingly little further coverage of him since the election). The Willis-authored articles were there to provide some info on issues he cares/writes about - I would rather have sourced to a summary by a third party but as yet haven't found one. Maybe there's a better way to include them, though - in an academic bio, I would have a selected pubs section, but that isn't usual in a politician bio. I could move them to External links perhaps if you think that would be better? DrThneed (talk) 00:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- @DrThneed: Selected publications would work. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:09, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review Hameltion. I've added a couple of extra sources (there's been surprisingly little further coverage of him since the election). The Willis-authored articles were there to provide some info on issues he cares/writes about - I would rather have sourced to a summary by a third party but as yet haven't found one. Maybe there's a better way to include them, though - in an academic bio, I would have a selected pubs section, but that isn't usual in a politician bio. I could move them to External links perhaps if you think that would be better? DrThneed (talk) 00:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- 24 Darleen Tana
Very closeRef5's URL (Ling) is a search result, but other sourcing OK. Questions on prose:worked on projects
is fairly unspecific, andin the role of Kaiārahi
could use explanation. New to mainspace, long enough, neutral. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 15:31, 10 November 2023 (UTC)- Thanks for the review Hameltion. PressReader won't give me a URL for the article for ref 5, so I've removed the URL and added that it was accessed via PressReader instead. I can't find any specifics about what she did in China or Singapore, if I find anything I'll add it in, otherwise I have at least removed the repetitiveness of work/worked/working. The role of Kaiārahi is not defined on the project website, nor on Wikipedia. It can mean leader or navigator or guide, but I am not going to define it here when it is not defined in the source, so have just removed the words instead. DrThneed (talk) 22:16, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Approved Works for me. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 04:29, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review Hameltion. PressReader won't give me a URL for the article for ref 5, so I've removed the URL and added that it was accessed via PressReader instead. I can't find any specifics about what she did in China or Singapore, if I find anything I'll add it in, otherwise I have at least removed the repetitiveness of work/worked/working. The role of Kaiārahi is not defined on the project website, nor on Wikipedia. It can mean leader or navigator or guide, but I am not going to define it here when it is not defined in the source, so have just removed the words instead. DrThneed (talk) 22:16, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- 25 Tākuta Ferris
AlmostNew/long. But is this Maori Party press release, and the long quotation, due for inclusion? Consider (not demanding) adding independent info on his pre-2023 campaigning, such as from this article, and maybe a bit about his art. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 15:31, 10 November 2023 (UTC)- Thanks for the review, Hameltion. I've dealt with the sensible changes suggested by you. Please let me know whether you see room for more improvement. Schwede66 04:08, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
- 28 Laura Trask
- Approved. Only suggestion would be to maybe explain what "out-of-hours medical support" is a little better. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review Sammi Brie. I tweaked the wording to be 'after-hours' (which is the term used in the source, and is a pretty common term over here for a loose reference to evenings/nights/weekends ie when your average medical centre is closed), and also to say she advocated for 24h support, to help with context. Hopefully that is clearer for an international audience but let me know if you think not! DrThneed (talk) 05:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- 29 Cameron Luxton
- @DrThneed: The paragraph beginning "Luxton contested..." contains no citations. Please rectify this and ping me as the article is otherwise ready. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie: thanks for the review. Have added three, hopefully looks a bit better but let me know if any remaining issues. DrThneed (talk) 01:20, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- Approved Looking better. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie: thanks for the review. Have added three, hopefully looks a bit better but let me know if any remaining issues. DrThneed (talk) 01:20, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
- 31 Carlos Cheung
-
- Approved No DYK issues on this one. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:42, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- 32 Todd Stephenson
-
- Approved. No textual issues and long enough. Suggest to DrThneed to reword "workplace" before "J&J Open and Out Employee Resource Network" as a bit of a kludge with the big proper name at the end. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks Sammi Brie, have reworded and should be less clumsy now. DrThneed (talk) 00:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- Approved. No textual issues and long enough. Suggest to DrThneed to reword "workplace" before "J&J Open and Out Employee Resource Network" as a bit of a kludge with the big proper name at the end. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- 33 Takutai Moana Kemp
I'll take this one. I'm busy, so I'll review this in ~9 hours (00:00 UTC). Queen of Hearts ❤️ (no relation) 16:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
- Even busier then expected; I'll review this next night. If I don't do it by 00:00 UTC, another reviewer is free to take this. Queen of Hearts ❤️ (no relation) 00:23, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
---|
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
---|
|
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
---|
|
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. |
---|
|
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Looks good to me. Reworded a spot of minor CLOP. Queen of Hearts ❤️ (no relation) 00:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- 34 Mariameno Kapa-Kingi
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
---|
Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral: - see below
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
---|
|
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: I don't think that the lengthy quote in the "Political career" section is necessary or neutral—what else is a candidate for that party going to say? I suspect it was inserted to bring the character count above 1500. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:24, 24 December 2023 (UTC
- Thanks for the review, AirshipJungleman29. I agree with those concerns and have given the bio a good once-over. It should be a lot more meaningful now, putting her 2023 electoral success in context. Please let me know if you see further room for improvement. Schwede66 01:48, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- 35 Kahurangi Carter
- Review:
- Article was moved into mainspace on the 3rd of November, nomination was on the 17th of October...
- Over 1,500 characters of prose
- Spot check reveals okay sources
- Earwig states "Violation Unlikely", at 4.8%
- Article is presentable (of adequate quality to be linked on the main page)
- Image is freely licensed, trusting the VRT on the WikiCommons page
- DrThneed donated this for a QPQ
- No other, subjective issues preventing this from showing up on the main page. However, the talk page doesn't link to this nom.
- This is going to be a pass Bremps... 22:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- 42 Nancy Lu
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
---|
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
---|
|
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
---|
|
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:27, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Final nomination result
editTo prevent this nomination from being prematurely moved to the Approved page before all articles have been reviewed and approved (as has already happened), a "review needed" icon was placed before this sentence. Please do not not supersede it with a tick icon below here until every one of the nominations above have been reviewed and given their tick icons. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:08, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- Considering how long this nomination has been ongoing and the length of time the reviews have taken, I do wonder if more of the articles (not all, but perhaps a few more, maybe five or less) could be spun off into individual nominations/hooks. Keeping them unapproved for too long instead of giving them the chance to shine on the main page just seems unfair to the articles IMO. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:01, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- Nah. There's just four reviews to go: Butterick, Anderson, Kapa-Kingi, and Lu. It'll be done soon. Schwede66 23:46, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5, DrThneed, and Schwede66:, I have just reviewed those four articles; three were passed, but Kapa-Kingi needs to be attended to. Once that's done, and once Hameltion has approved Greg Fleming, this nomination can be approved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- All articles reviewed and approved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:00, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- In case I was meant to remove the re-review sign. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:40, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- All articles reviewed and approved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:00, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5, DrThneed, and Schwede66:, I have just reviewed those four articles; three were passed, but Kapa-Kingi needs to be attended to. Once that's done, and once Hameltion has approved Greg Fleming, this nomination can be approved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- Nah. There's just four reviews to go: Butterick, Anderson, Kapa-Kingi, and Lu. It'll be done soon. Schwede66 23:46, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Did you know nomination
edit- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 21:42, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- ... that when she was elected to the New Zealand parliament, Catherine Wedd defeated her former coworker at a marketing company? Source: "...befitting their days working together at Attn Marketing PR in Havelock North. Now the two women are pitted head-to-head, with Lorck the incumbent Labour MP for Tukituki and Wedd confirmed as National candidate for the October 14 general election." from [Herald article]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Raymond Bushland
- Comment: This bio was originally part of a mass DYK nomination from 17 October, i.e. on time. We've agreed to nominate five of them individually, including this one. QPQ from the original nomination. Thanks to Vaticidalprophet for the hook.
Moved to mainspace by Villian Factman (talk) and DrThneed (talk). Nominated by DrThneed (talk) at 23:52, 25 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Catherine Wedd; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
---|
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
---|
|
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
---|
|
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: I'd recommend reordering the hook a bit for clarity, naming Lorck and dropping the detail about the kind of company that it was, as that's not the interesting part of the hook. Something like:
- ALT0a: that Catherine Wedd defeated her former coworker Anna Lorck in the 2023 New Zealand general election? Grnrchst (talk) 14:48, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Parents
editI haven't been able to find reliable sources for her parents, but they are Simon and Joanna Loft. I managed to deduce that from her grandfather's obituary (where Bill Tolhurst's four children and the respective spouses are listed) and a Facebook entry, which tied Simon and Joanna Loft to Catherine Wedd. Just recording this here in case reliable sources turn up in the future. Schwede66 00:05, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
And for what it's worth, Wedd's grandmother Jenifer Tolhurst (Q123191932) is a born Baker. She is descended from Charles Baker, an early missionary in New Zealand; he arrived in 1828. Charles Baker was Jenifer Baker's great-great-grandfather. That makes him Wedd's great-great-great-great-grandfather. This is documented in Wikidata. Schwede66 10:46, 26 October 2023 (UTC)