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I did a thing!

Baby's first PROD. Joe Del Campo. If I did anything wrong then definitely inform me of that. casualdejekyll (talk) 00:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

(note: This section used to hold my daily "i did a thing" updates, which have been moved to User:Casualdejekyll/I_Did_A_Thing

Your GA nomination of Seedfeeder

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Hi Casualdejekyll, a human here. Well that's quite some article (even referring to itself, a la Droste effect). I think the article is basically ready for a GA, but I have very carefully raised some concerns to make it clear that I'm not just nodding the article through, as it is obviously a sensitive topic. I've made a few suggestions which you can take or leave, though I think it would be sensible to state the few publicly-known facts about Seedfeeder, and to consider adding some of his sex images, since they're the principal subject of the article. I've noted some small changes to the References which require action (should only take a few moments). I hope to see it as a GA very soon. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:19, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

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Concern regarding User:Casualdejekyll/Luck Be A Landlord

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its my user page and i can do what i want with it. Thank You (and no its not redirectly at users) TzarN64 (talk) 18:47, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, there are a few guidelines on what you can do with it - see WP:UPNOT, which says among other things that the page can't have attacks on other editors, which your edit could be interpreted as.
I feel like that sufficiently clears that up, however I'd like to point out that your general grammar looks a bit.. off? You have all the words in about the right order, but there's some convention errors. I'd just like to point out that if English isn't your first language, there are Wikipedias in many other languages, if you would like to help on those. I personally think your English is probably good enough that you can contribute here at the English Wikipedia effectively anyway, but just in case.
Other then that, I have no issues anymore. casualdejekyll (talk) 19:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Founding Fathers

@Casualdejekyll, pinging Randy Kryn and North8000: I noticed the Founding Fathers DRN has been archived. Could you please explain this? I have two issues to bring to everyone's attention. The first relates to the policy associated with the DRN, namely WP:VER. The second is a request for a very specific RfC. Please advise how to proceed. Thank you. Allreet (talk) 14:36, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I was a mere commenter there so whatever I say is just my opinion as an observer. Contrary to the listing, I was not a party to the dispute, merely someone trying to help. DRN is an attempt to resolve by discussion and it appears that it fizzled out / was unsuccessful. IMO a part of the problem is that it never even stated what the article content question was. So any "official" next step is the the same as with any other article. My advice is to start a discussion on the talk page, and to do so by clearly stating what the ARTICLE CONTENT question is. North8000 (talk) 15:29, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Why was it archived, especially with questions and paths forward? Signed, Confused in Kansas. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:45, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
@North8000, I understood your role and appreciate input you've provided. I suppose my opening statement should have been more succinct, though I clearly stated: "I have thoroughly discussed content in this article with another editor regarding the lack of adequate sources, specifically in terms of an assertion made on July 30, 2021 by a different editor claiming 145 historical figures are founding fathers." No doubt this was lost in the shuffle and that's one of the two items I would like to address. Saying anything else here would probably be inappropriate. Now that I see @Randy Kryn has responded, it would be fair to note that I share his confusion. Allreet (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
It was probably just automatically archived because it was inactive.That is not an official move, somebody could just unarchive it. But either way, if you want my advice, y'all need to post your question / RFC as a a specific ARTICLE CONTENT question. "regarding the lack of adequate sources" is not such a question. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 17:38, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
@North8000: We were awaiting @Randy Kryn's latest rebuttal. While he may have missed the timeframe he set, nobody received any notice the DRN was being archived. As for the ARTICLE CONTENT question, don't you think that issue should have been raised earlier? I don't mean to be critical of anyone. It's just that I have zero familiarity with DRNs and RfCs. I came here for guidance on something I've never encountered. Given your experience, then, what do you or @Casualdejekyll think would be helpful to rescue this exercise? Frankly, it is a mess because of the lack of focus, and as a mea culpa, a large part of that stems from my not being precise at the start. Allreet (talk) 18:54, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Whatever my idea is, there are doubtless other good ones as well. You could unarchive and resume the DRN although it didn't seem to be going anywhere. My advice would be to go to the article talk page and try to frame the specific article content question and see where it goes from there. Or I might try to do that. North8000 (talk) 19:01, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Discussion should be occurring at the DRN, which the moderator should reopen (apparently a bot archived it, Brave New Bot World) not here. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:06, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Agreed Allreet (talk) 20:06, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
@North8000: Please do. That's a sincere plea. (Despite my agreement with Randy, I believe I'm okay in responding to North8000.) Once you post the item on the Founding Father talk page, I plan to provide specific information on what the content issues are and then the sources that apply. Allreet (talk) 20:09, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
@North8000, please don't, since you've participated in the last well-worded and well-viewed RfC and in the still open and mistakenly archived (I think the close-date was wrong and that's what the bot read) dispute resolution. You came up with the most logical and neutral solution which we've all agreed is the best way forward (at least on the Articles of Confederation signers, and it should also apply to the CA signers) thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Well, I already decided not to, but for a different reason. It's not possible to frame a good question without knowing what the topic of the article is, which needs to be clarified. Here are the two likely possibilities:

  1. Persons who are "Founding Fathers" per the common meaning of that term. Which boils down to determining the common meaning of the 20th century term "Founding Fathers"
  2. Persons who are main founders of the USA

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. The topic is defined in the article's first sentence. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:04, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, but IMO that doesn't nail it down between the above two possibilities. IMO that is the root cause of the entire dispute. Underlying the arguments is that some people are applying #1 and some are applying #2. My previous proposal sort of covered both possibilities. North8000 (talk) 13:11, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Regarding @Randy Kryn's comments, three things: "we" have not agreed on anything, clearly the last RfC was under attended, and the issue most emphatically is not the first sentence of the Founding Fathers article (that's a red herring - we're not here to define founding fathers). @North8000, what drew me to the founders article was Randy's unsourced edits to 50 articles in October 2021 where he anointed signers of the Continental Association and Articles of Confederation as founders. I then turned to the main article and found the statement on which Randy's changes were based: "the following (145 document signers) are considered founding fathers", an addition made in July 2021 without a source. This is what I am challenging, and I believe WP:VER is squarely on my side, totally apart from the fact that the 2021 edits were unsourced. I respectfully ask @Casualdejekyll to re-open the DRN so we can discuss the specifics in the proper forum. Allreet (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
We have all agreed in the DRN with the established FF article that the signers of the Articles of Confederation are Founding Fathers (and agreed to a 'some sources' worded descriptor). Including Allreet. Of course he'll open it again, it was closed by a bot because of an errant end-date. The last well-worded RfC was widely viewed, I've already posted the views link. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
"We have all agreed...signers of the AoC are Founding Fathers" is a mis-representation. We only agreed to "some consider" this, and I withdrew my support for that with my last statement under Allreet's Final Answer. Re-read my objections. As for your "views link", the views recorded also include the numerous times you and I visited the CA talk page during the last RfC. Beyond that, all we know is that just one editor responded, @North8000. Allreet (talk) 17:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Yes, "some consider" as a qualifier, we all agreed to that. The moderator commented on that mutual agreement. It was the nation's first constitution and the blueprint for its first government which lasted for many years, about as founder worthy as you can get. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm not agreeing to anything that runs contrary to WP:VER. On that, more later. 23:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC) Allreet (talk) 23:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Saw your edit summary. Bull. You did fine, especially taking on a huge topic with a pair of editors doing a daily back and forth for three months now (and counting). Randy Kryn (talk) 04:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

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WE WILL GET OUR REVENGE!!!

KHALSAMANWA 3.0 WILL BE LAUNCHING SOON!! 148.252.132.56 (talk) 10:47, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Alright, have fun with that. I'll be sure to fire back with an SPI report as soon as you launch. casualdejekyll 12:39, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
Though, @148.252.132.56 - It's worth noting that the original, 1 contribution account. User:Khalsamanwa, is not blocked. So if you want to contribute in good faith, just use that account. casualdejekyll 12:44, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

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Oops! I thought that was written by the person who made the edit request. Should've checked first, haha. casualdejekyll 12:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
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Removed an edit request you replied to

I removed an edit request here, which you had already responded to. Just letting you know, since I removed your comment as well. The edit request was just poorly spelled trolling by a clearly confused IP that thinks that Nick Foles is in any way better than Tom Brady. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:09, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Sounds great. I'm not a football fan so I didn't recognize the name and just figured RS was the appropriate response. casualdejekyll 12:38, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
It's a common vandal request on sports articles, especially when someone lost a game to someone else. No worries though, just wanted to let you know I removed your comment when I removed the request, since technically that's breaking talk page guidelines. I like to give a heads up and an explanation when I remove someone's comment. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:44, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hi! Just a heads up I replied to your questions re: my edit request at Talk:Travis Katz. If you have a second, would love your feedback. Thanks! Mary Gaulke (talk) 15:40, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

SPI

Hi Casualdejekyll. You wrote, But the specific Wiki-expert-edit to Trust Me I'm Biotechnologist connection is stale. [1]. Howso? Could you explain? --Hipal (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Wiki-expert-edit has no edits since 2015. No CU is going to even attempt to confirm that, the logs just don't go back that far. casualdejekyll 16:26, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. I've never looked to see what was logged, no how long the logs were kept.
Maybe a SPI for the AfD accounts might be reasonable, given the article history? --Hipal (talk) 16:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
@Hipal - Definitely, there's been SPA's here since at least 2008. casualdejekyll 17:29, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for advising the editor to notify the other editors on their talk pages. There were two other problems with the case. The more serious one is that there had been no discussion at the category talk page for several months. There had been discussion in 2021, but then it stopped. They need to resume trying to discuss, because opinions might have changed in a few months. The less important issue is that one of the editors has been banned. That just means that they should not try to invite that editor to take part in discussion. So I have closed the case and have told them to resume discussion at the category talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:06, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thankya for advising. casualdejekyll 02:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Side Discussion at WT:DRN

Don't worry about it. You didn't make a mistake. This was a problem that I have not seen before, and we can't anticipate every possible sort of weird behavior, let alone know exactly how to deal with it. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:43, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

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That's because you submitted it. CUPIDICAE💕 22:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
@Noeliagarone struggled with submitting and I just clicked the button for them. Go to their talk page, please. casualdejekyll 22:06, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
The AfC helper script allows you to submit *as* another person so that you don't get these messages :) Use the little dropdown menu to change who submits it. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 22:52, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

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revert

Hi. Just wanted to place a courtesy note here.

I reverted your edit to CENT. If someone hadn't already, I would have reverted the VP deletion too.

closing a thread once discussion has died down, might be one thing, but generally we probably shouldn't delete others' comments.

Anyway, just a quick note. I hope you have a great rest of your day. - jc37 05:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Cool, have fun! casualdejekyll 15:33, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Tone

Rather than clutter up the SPI case, I'll respond here. As I read it, the tone of your post was expressing incredulity at my stated findings, which is what I didn't appreciate. If that wasn't your intention, fair enough, but I'd urge you to refrain from making observations about how you would interpret CU results - just leave that to the people processing the report. Girth Summit (blether) 07:40, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Ok :) Sounds good to me casualdejekyll 13:10, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

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Hey remember not to DFTT

Coming from the Teahouse, next time just zap away obvious troll editors/entries such as that, don’t even respond to them. Celestina007 (talk) 23:54, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

I have never seen the text written in this diff in my life. I would have zapped, if I had indeed seen it. @Celestina007
EDIT: After checking out the diffs a little more - this troll removed their text in the edit before I responded, so I never saw it casualdejekyll 00:01, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Ah yes, Not too worry, I figured as much. Celestina007 (talk) 00:07, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

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Closing review

I apologize for my mistaken close, which has since been amended. casualdejekyll 15:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I am coming here per WP:MR. In this closing comment you wrote ” there is no consensus on whether to remove parks in occupied territories or not.” I counted six in favor of removal and two against (with one of those two having stated a different view if certain facts were proven, which were subsequently proven). Onceinawhile (talk) 06:17, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

I join in that, the closure is not in accord with the discussion. I would prefer an administrative close.Selfstudier (talk) 10:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
I did say you should continue to discuss it; regardless, I count three in favor of removal and two against. @Selfstudier @Onceinawhile casualdejekyll 11:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Reviewing the discussion:
At worst there are 4 supporting removal, 2 against. At best there are 6-7 supporting removal, 1 against. Even the 4-2 is clear consensus.
Onceinawhile (talk) 11:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
@Supreme Deliciousness and @Dimadick did not "strongly imply" they were in favor of removal. I think the best way forward is to ask @CLalgo and them what they think, rather than bring an admin in when it doesn't have much to do with the move request at all. casualdejekyll 12:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Why would we ask someone whose position is clear and in an obvious minority? I will wait for comments from the two other editors you have pinged and see what they have to say. Selfstudier (talk) 12:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
The entire reason to ask them is because their position is not clear. At least, since we both disagree on what their position is, then asking them would clarify. There is no need to drag me to an admin noticeboard because I closed a move request as "Not Moved" - something which you agree there was consensus to not move - and you disagree with a move-unrelated part of the close. This is no longer a move issue, this is a content issue, and for that, the correct path forward is discussion. casualdejekyll 13:27, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
I want the inaccurate close amended, so far you have refused to do that, I don't want problems when the offending entries are removed just because of a "no consensus" close. The close may be reviewed whether or not it is a move issue so that's wrong. While writing this, I would also politely request that you refrain in future from closing discussions that are in the AI area. Selfstudier (talk) 13:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
What is this "AI area"?
No consensus existed at the time. Consensus can exist later - in fact, as soon as we get those pinged editors opinions, if you're right about how they feel, and you clearly believe you're right, than consensus would exist casualdejekyll 15:19, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
WP:A/I/PIA, WP:PIA is one of the most contentious areas of WP, a discussion closer ought to be aware of that? Selfstudier (talk) 15:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
I was aware of the discretionary sanctions in Isreal-Palenstine articles, I had just never heard them called "AI area" before. casualdejekyll 15:34, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
More explanation time!:
When assessing the consensus to remove content, I counted
Support removal: Auslondonder, Selfstudier, Huldra EDIT: Onceinawhile
Oppose removal: CLalgo, AnimalLover666
This is no consensus, by my assessment. EDIT: Nevermind. On further review I have found consensus to remove the occupied territory parks. casualdejekyll 15:26, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Either way, it doesn't change whether or not the page is moved, so I don't think move review is the proper process here. casualdejekyll 11:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
If you are not going to change your close to accurately reflect the discussion I will submit it for review at admin noticeboard. It would be better to stop dancing around the issue. Selfstudier (talk) 12:04, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
I endorse concerns that the language used in the close was inappropriate and did not accurately reflect consensus regarding removal. AusLondonder (talk) 14:02, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Ma! Look! I've been insulted on Wikipediocracy!

There comes a time in every active editor's life, when some idiot presumably well-meaning but misguided poster on a forum decides that they know better than you casualdejekyll 22:18, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Don't give the dipshit any more attention eh? — TNT (talk • she/her) 22:27, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Damn, I've violated WP:NPA! I've fed the trolls! Whatever will I do! [sarcasm] casualdejekyll 22:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Though, out of curiosity, @TheresNoTime, how'd you get here within 10 minutes of me putting it up? casualdejekyll 22:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
I have a very large alarm that goes off whenever anyone posts a link to that site — its fairly annoying at 11:38pm but ho hum. /s I preferred your message prior to the edit though — TNT (talk • she/her) 22:39, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Serious answer is your talk page is on my watchlist, I saw wikipediocracy while randomly scanning down it, and clicked — TNT (talk • she/her) 22:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Wait.. you've never commented here before. How'd it end up on your watchlist? (I don't want to be badgering you with questions but it is genuinely confusing to me why anyone would want to watch this hellhole of a page - 90% of it is people mad at me, and the rest of it is bots!) casualdejekyll 22:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
@TheresNoTime - badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger (mushroom, mushroom) casualdejekyll 22:48, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
I have a habit of clicking "watchlist" on pages I visit, so at some point I must have looked at your (user)talk page, I don't remember a specific reason though ^^ — TNT (talk • she/her) 22:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

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