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DYK for Echinaster spinulosus

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 October newsletter

The 2012 WikiCup has come to a close; congratulations to Cwmhiraeth (submissions), our 2012 champion! Cwmhiraeth joins our exclusive club of previous winners: Dreamafter (2007), jj137 (2008), Durova (2009), Sturmvogel 66 (2010) and Hurricanehink (2011). Our final standings were as follows:

1. Cwmhiraeth (submissions)
2. Sasata (submissions)
3. Grapple X (submissions)
4. Casliber (submissions)
5. Muboshgu (submissions)
6. Miyagawa (submissions)
7. Ruby2010 (submissions)
8. Dana Boomer (submissions)

Prizes for first, second, third and fourth will be awarded, as will prizes for all those who reached the final eight. Every participant who scored in the competition will receive a ribbon of participation. In addition to the prizes based on placement, the following special prizes will be awarded based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, the prize is awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round.

• The featured article award goes to Grapple X (submissions), for four featured articles in the final round.
• The good article award also goes to Grapple X (submissions), for 19 good articles in the second round.
• The list award goes to Muboshgu (submissions), for three featured lists in the final round.
• The topic award goes to Grapple X (submissions), for three good topics (with around 40 articles) in round 4.
• The did you know award goes to Cwmhiraeth (submissions), for well over 100 DYKs in the final round.
• The news award goes to ThaddeusB (submissions), for 10 in the news items in round 3.
• The picture award goes to Grandiose (submissions), for two featured pictures in round 2.
• The reviewer award goes to both Ruby2010 (submissions) (14 reviews in round 1) and Grandiose (submissions) (14 reviews in round 3).
• Finally, for achieving an incredible bonus point total in the final round, and for bringing the top-importance article frog to featured status, a biostar has been awarded to Cwmhiraeth (submissions).

Awards will be handed out in the coming days; please bear with us! This year's competition also saw fantastic contributions in all rounds, from newer Wikipedians contributing their first good or featured articles, right up to highly experienced Wikipedians chasing high scores and contributing to topics outside of their usual comfort zones. It would be impossible to name all of the participants who have achieved things to be proud of, but well done to all of you, and thanks! Wikipedia has certainly benefited from the work of this year's WikiCup participants.

Next year's WikiCup will begin in January. Currently, discussions and polls are open, and all contributions are welcome. You can also sign up for next year's competition. There will be no further newsletters this year, although brief notes may be sent out in December to remind everyone about the upcoming competition. It's been a pleasure to work with you all, and we hope to see you all in January! J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 00:21, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations! 121 DYKs, tons of bonus points, and FAs for frog and toad all in the final round is quite spectacular! Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 00:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations! Well deserved. Sir Shurf (talk) 07:51, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations! Very well done :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 15:04, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Bringing Frog to FA was a pleasure. Doing all those DYKs was a grind. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:34, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Llongyfarchiadau! I didn't even know there was such a thing as the Wikicup and only came across this by accident. You should have been featured on the Welsh news. Da iawn! Deb (talk) 11:35, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Megabalanus coccopoma

The DYK project (nominate) 00:05, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup award

Awarded to Cwmhiraeth for the strongest contribution of did you knows in the 2012 WikiCup. J Milburn (talk · contribs) and The ed17 (talk · contribs) 16:30, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Awarded to Cwmhiraeth for the strongest contribution of highly-importance articles, including the featured article frog, in the 2012 WikiCup. 16:43, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tripneustes ventricosus

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Amphibian

Shall I co-nominate it? Axl ¤ [Talk] 10:18, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I am in the process of including your name in the nomination. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:22, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I have now completed the nomination - it takes a bit of time because I am not very familiar with the procedure. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:31, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. As you probably guessed, I am going through the article again. From "Characteristics", paragraph 2: "These are then closed with valves and the air is forced into the lungs by contraction of the throat." I doubt that the nostrils are closed with valves. Perhaps "sphincters" or "muscles"? Axl ¤ [Talk] 20:40, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

My Stebbins uses the phrase "use valvular nostrils to control the flow of air" and later "to force air into the lungs, the nostrils narrow or close". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

The word "valve" implies that flow occurs in one direction but not the other. I'm not convinced. I'm just gonna delete the comment about "valves". Axl ¤ [Talk] 20:56, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

From "Anatomy and physiology", subsection "Skeletal system and locomotion", last paragraph: "Some species in the Plethodontidae have a weak zone at the base of the tail and if the salamander is in danger or if the tail is grabbed by a predator, it breaks off, a process known as autotomy. Other salamanders are also prepared to drop their tails to save their lives." Are these "other salamanders" not in the group Plethodontidae? If not, why are the Plethodontidae called out in the former sentence? Axl ¤ [Talk] 10:35, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I have rearranged and rephrased this bit. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Axl ¤ [Talk] 18:07, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

From "Anatomy and physiology", subsection "Nervous and sensory systems", paragraph 2, "columella-opercular complex" is an odd phrase. "Columella" is a noun while "opercular" is an adjective. It would be more sensible to use a dual noun phrase "columella-operculum complex". Both phrases are used in sources, but the noun-adjective format is probably derived from the same slightly erroneous origin. Axl ¤ [Talk] 18:45, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

If you are happier with "columella-operculum complex", please change it to that. Stebbins refers to "the tympanum-columella complex" for high frequency transmission and the "opercular complex" for low frequency transmission. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:02, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I have changed it. Axl ¤ [Talk] 19:07, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

From "Feeding and diet", paragraph 2: "Cave dwelling amphibians normally hunt by smell and some salamanders seem to have learned to recognize immobile prey even when it has no smell." Are the "salamanders" in the second part of the sentence also cave-dwelling? Axl ¤ [Talk] 11:32, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I think not. The source mentions complete darkness so I have rephrased this. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:43, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I have split the sentence. Axl ¤ [Talk] 18:39, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

From "Defence mechanisms", paragraph 1: "Snakes have been observed yawning and gaping when trying to swallow African clawed frogs (Xenopus spp.)." Should this be "Xenopus laevis"? Axl ¤ [Talk] 12:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know. It probably was Xenopus laevis but the abstract of the paper does not specify which species was used and I do not have access to the whole article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

This website refers to Barthalmus and Zielinski. I shall add it as a reference and clarify the species. Axl ¤ [Talk] 19:22, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

OK Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:24, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Low hanging fruit

Don't know if delisted FAs count for those Wikicups, but you could take a look at Emu, which was demoted some time back, but doesn't seem too bad. Thought you'd be able to, since you've already made bird GAs. FunkMonk (talk) 09:13, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I see it's now over. But could be an idea for January, if you compete again. FunkMonk (talk) 09:18, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll keep "Emu" in mind for the future. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow, wow and again wow

Many congratulations on the extraordinary feat of winning the 2012 Wikipedia cup!!! Invertzoo (talk) 00:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

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		This barnstar is awarded to Cwmhiraeth for the amazing amount of work necessary to win the WIkipedia Cup 2012!!! I am speechless. What a staggering achievement! Invertzoo (talk) 00:15, 7 November 2012 (UTC)(UTC)

Llongyfarchidau iddi chi! Dach chi wedi gweithio yn galed iawn - amser paned (neu cwrw!) rwan! Bencherlite^Talk 02:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Diolch yn fawr iawn :) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Precious again, awesome Wikipedian of 11 May 2012! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Steinitz' prawn goby

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Amphibian

Having castigated your FAC for overlinking, I thought the least I could do was point you towards the duplication detector tool, which saves hours of manual checking. To install the script, add:

importScript('User:Ucucha/duplinks.js'); // [[User:Ucucha/duplinks]]

to Special:MyPage/common.js, and clear the cache as instructed. There will be a link "Highlight duplicate links" in the toolbox on the left for every mainspace article. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:32, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

And congratulations on the Wikicup, Cymru am Byth Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:34, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I have the useful duplicate detector tool and thought I had checked through Amphibian with it. I must have been thinking of Frog. How silly of me :) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:04, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

It's common practice to link once in the lead, once in the main text, and in the captions. The tool checks the lead and main text separately, and ignores captions, so it is assuming this practice. I think to have more links than this is difficult to justify for familiar words like "reptile", but there may be a case for technical terms. Links may be piped differently, for example the Egyptian dog FAC had "mummy" and "mummified" linked to the same article, so came up as a dup link, but not really a problem. I also note that cladograms are treated as text, although ideally they should be treated as captions. To me, the main point of the tool is to allow you to make informed choices about linking, rather than accumulate by default. I'll do a proper review soon, but just polishing my own next FAC Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:24, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

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A pie for you!

To say thanks for reviewing that very old 7 hook DYK. Secretlondon (talk) 13:20, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Delicious! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:29, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Neşet Ertaş

Hi! Thanks a lot for your review. CeeGee 15:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Thalassia testudinum

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK issue

Hello! Please see Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Problematic hook. Thanks! —David Levy 03:56, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

African River Martin

Hi, thanks for your support, I envy you your trip and martin sighting, but Banjul Belly was enough for me in the African diseases line. Now, where are your photos of the martin? (: With respect to the Deborah Green FAC, I'd make the following comments on the unresolved issues

• Reported speech—I don't think it's necessarily the case that you have to have quote marks, although I think it's a possible issue here because it's hard to separate the quotation from information from other sources. I'll comment at the FAC again on this
• Gardening comment—I prefer the original version, I'm afraid
• responded/ emergency room—AE/BE. I think that these can be resolved, I'll comment again at FAC.
• Spit—if it's a direct quote, then it should stay, and I think this colloquial use is much commoner in the US than here

I reviewed this article too, and I thought this guy was pretty reasonable, I've sometimes had editors who don't accept anything, and a recent FA nom described Nikkimaria's referencing comments as ridiculous (guess what—no other reviewers). Obviously, whether you support, oppose or do neither is your call (and since you are only commenting on one section, you may not have wanted to do more than comment anyway) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:45, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah, the reliability of the main source is another matter, and one I can't comment on. I assume that the nom has used the book in good faith, but any queries about the wisdom of doing so need to be taken up with him or raised on the FAC talk page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:24, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

That's fair enough, it's difficult to support (or oppose) on a review of one section anyway. I sometimes add drive-by comments on single issues with no intention of doing a full review Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Dichocoenia stokesi

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DYK nomination of Metacrinus rotundus

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Cleaning symbiosis

Hi Cwmhiraeth, thanks very much for reviewing Cleaning symbiosis for me. You'll have to give me a hand to get one of my articles up to FA sometime... Keep up the good work. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:12, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

That would be interesting. The comprehensiveness criterion might be a bit of a challenge. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:05, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Which article were you thinking of? I haven't got one in mind, though perhaps Camouflage might be worked up in that direction over some months. I am also wondering whether List of camoufleurs couldn't be something - it seems there's no GA for lists so its FL or nothing, is that right? Sounds a bit daunting but I suppose I'd better be bold... Maybe you'd take a quick look at it? Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:20, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Depending on the list, FL can be nothing. List of film directors of the Dutch East Indies was more or less ready to go in four hours. List of films of the Dutch East Indies, on the other hand... closer to a week (a few hours a day) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:23, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I had a look but I know nothing about featured lists. Crisco would provide better advice. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:30, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

• *blush* Well, for one I'd suggest using pictures of the men where possible and not their artwork (which is of low relevance to the subject at hand). I'd also suggest noting that this list includes only those with articles, or (if it will include sourced entries without articles) use {{Expand list}}. If you have any further questions don't be afraid to ping me, or I can leave some comments at the list's talk page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:36, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, guys (or is it 'blushing brides'). Will give it a go - alas, nearly all ID images are NF so it'll be a pile of NFURs... Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:26, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK reviewing

Cwmhiraeth, I wanted to thank you for reviewing so many of the older outstanding reviews over the past couple of days.

I do have a request: can you check out the various nominations of Furcifer chameleons made on November 11? Sasata reexamined a couple of these that had been approved by other reviewers, and in both cases did some significant trimming to the point that they were well below DYK minimum size. There are a few additional ones that have since been approved; as one of the DYK experts on fauna, I was hoping you could check these out before they made it into a queue or even to the main page. (Also another chameleon, Template:Did you know nominations/Trioceros laterispinis.) Thanks for anything you can do. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:20, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I have a request, too. At Clathrina canariensis, could you try and find a better source for the lead section/the DYK hook? The source you provided for the Cambrian ancestry etc. is a user-operated wiki that is surely not compatible with our definition of reliable sources. They even cite Wikipedia as their source, so this would be borderline self-reference. De728631 (talk) 08:57, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree, not a good source. I cannot find any further references to the Cambrian with regard to this sponge so I will edit the article and suggest a different hook. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Little Moreton Hall

Thanks for your support at the FAC Cwmhiraeth. You visited the house a couple of weeks ago, so do you feel the article does it justice? I've not visited Little Moreton Hall for years, but I'm really motivated to make the article the best it can be, given the available sources, not just to meet the FA criteria, which is why I'd value your opinion. George Ponderevo (talk) 20:18, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I thought the article excellent. I had to struggle to find anything unfavourable to comment on but I know that a simple expression of "Support" does not carry much weight. It was an interesting house to visit because an enthusiastic and informative guide took people round and the absence of furnishings meant one could concentrate on its structure and features. Because it was a November rainy weekday, there were few people there which meant one could ask questions. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:30, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Did your guide mention the grey lady that is supposed to haunt the Long Gallery? I'd love to be able to add a sentence on who she might be. Malleus Fatuorum 21:53, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

She was mentioned but I am afraid we can't remember the details. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Meandrina meandrites

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DYK for Manicina areolata

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DYK for Metacrinus rotundus

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Clathrina canariensis

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DYK for Ctenella chagius

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Heads-up

Hi. No spaces before ref tags (see WP:REFPUNC). --Stfg (talk) 17:50, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

OK. I have been in the habit of putting the reference after a space when it occurs in the middle of a sentence because it looks better on the page, but I had better stop doing this now that I know that I shouldn't! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:58, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Agelas clathrodes

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:09, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

RE:Template:Did you know nominations/George Luther Kapeau

Could you reply to Template:Did you know nominations/George Luther Kapeau.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:54, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

Hi, Cwmhiraeth. Now that the FAC on Debora Green has closed, I just want to thank you again for your comments there. We don't totally agree on a lot of points, but I think that between us (and everyone else) we managed to make the article the best it can be. I really appreciate your taking the time to help with that. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:26, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, we got off to a bit of a bad start, but when I realised that my support might be critical for the article's success, I thought I had better return to the fray! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:34, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Anodontia philippiana

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DYK for Anodontia alba

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Authorities and brackets

Please see [1]. Thanks, mgiganteus1 (talk) 16:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

You are right, I could have deduced that. Actually I wouldn't have put a Taxonomy section in the article at all except for the fact that WoRMS, that I usually consider authoritative, considered Pegophysema philippiana was the valid name whereas the existing Wikipedia stub called it Anodontia philippiana.

I guess what I should have done was create a page for Pegophysema philippiana and made Anodontia philippiana redirect to it. Obvious really! Its just that I didn't think of it at the time. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:02, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Grand Casemates Gates

Cwmhiraeth, I was wondering if you could take another look at this nomination. There has been more material and sourcing added to try to sort out the hook, and the ALT you suggested has been supplanted by a new one. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:03, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Done! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:59, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Great! Thanks again! BlueMoonset (talk) 06:17, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Agelas flabelliformis

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For finishing first in the 2012 WikiCup...

Awarded to Cwmhiraeth, 2012 WikiCup champion! J Milburn and The ed17 16:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. It was a well run, enjoyable competition. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:59, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

FAC

I am reminded of why I don't participate in FAC nominations (just the reviews). Thank you for handling the issues. (In retrospect, I should have checked all of the references before.) Axl ¤ [Talk] 11:08, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, different reviewers are more or less thorough and I find it best to go along with their comments even if I am not necessarily in complete agreement with them. We may get there in the end! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Stenopus scutellatus

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DYK for Listriolobus pelodes

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DYK for Echiuroidea

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DYK for Pillar coral

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GOCE November 2012 backlog drive award

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Hook redux

Hey Cwmhiraeth. We had to ditch the original hook for Forest Idyl due to source problems, but I've proposed another. Take a look if you have a moment - Template:Did you know nominations/Forest Idyl. The Interior (Talk) 21:13, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

thankee. The Interior (Talk) 06:08, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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The common toad is an amphibian found throughout most of Europe, with the exception of Ireland, Iceland and some Mediterranean islands. It is an inconspicuous animal as it usually lies hidden during the day, becoming active at dusk and spending the night hunting for the invertebrates on which it feeds. It moves with a slow ungainly walk or short jumps and has greyish brown skin covered with wart-like lumps. Although usually a solitary animal, in the breeding season large numbers converge on certain breeding ponds, where the males compete to mate with the females. Eggs are laid in gelatinous strings in the water and later hatch out into tadpoles. After several months of growth and development, these sprout limbs and undergo metamorphosis into tiny toads. The juveniles emerge from the water and remain largely terrestrial for the rest of their lives. The common toad seems to be in decline in part of its range but overall is listed as being of "Least Concern" in the IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. It is threatened by habitat loss, especially by drainage of its breeding sites, and some toads get killed on the roads as they make their annual migrations. It has long been associated in popular culture and literature with witchcraft. (Full article...)

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Please see Talk:Vanderbilt exoskeleton. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:22, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

To add on to what Sandy said: being difficult to pin down a hook in a DYK is not a reason to ignore the sourcing requirement, it is a reason to deny the hook. There is a reason that we require hooks to be in the body of the text. It's even more important when dealing with medical articles.--v/r - TP 17:48, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, I guess you are right. I thought it sounded a pretty good product but I suppose I didn't give the article the level of critical scrutiny I should have done. I suppose one should be extra careful with commercial products but that is not an aspect of DYK that I had really thought about. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:56, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hydroid

Hi Cwmhiraeth, I see what you're doing with Hydroid but the effect is now a bit of a muddle as the article which was on the odd feature of mosses is now also about Hydrozoa, which of course exists already. I guess the alternatives are a) to make a disambig page; b) to move the animal stuff to Hydrozoa, if needed, as there's already a hatnote; c) if Hydrozoa seems the wrong place, to create Hydroid (larva) or something and put the stuff there; d) to make this the home of the animal, and create Hydroid (botany) for the rather obscure (oops, I said it) plant feature. What d'you think? Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:46, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I've now expanded the Botany section as well. Hydroids are one developmental stage of Hydrozoa and I think it is quite useful having a separate page for them because hydroid is a widely used term without being a taxon in its own right. I've just expanded the existing page which already had the moss and the Hydrozoa sections. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:56, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but in that case (my point was) the animal and the plant structures deserve separate articles as they have nothing more in common than do bows of pink ribbon and bows for shooting, just an accident of naming. ..... I've split the article and added hatnotes. Hope this serves. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:51, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Splitting the article was fine but I think you have done it the wrong way round. If you look at the "What links here" tab you will see that there are dozens of links to the Hydroid page nearly all of which are relevant to Hydrozoa, whereas the Hydroid (zoology) page has lost all these relevant links. I think the moss use is much more obscure. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:29, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Mmm, you're right. Suggest we have Hydroid (botany) and make Hydroid point to the zoo page then. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that would be best. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Done. BTW I'm working my way through the most famous books on animal coloration -- having a lot of fun with Bates, Poulton, Cott - will see if I can't spice up Wallace as well (birds of paradise might come into it somewhere!). Seems it's getting harder and harder to find anyone to talk to/review anything, I've had some articles in the GA queue for months and I'm off for Christmas soon... Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:48, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

There was a great mass of student nominations for GA on 28th November which has blocked up the Biology section, - part of a class project I understand. I'll have a look and see what you have got there. :) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Cwmhiraeth, as one of DYK's experts on fauna articles—and I believe I saw your name in the history file for at least one of these two articles—I was hoping you could take a look and see whether my comments are offbase or germane on this pair. Obviously, it would be ideal if an interesting two-article hook could be constructed, but in either case the hook(s) should reflect reliable sources and accurate (and allowable) use of their contents. Thanks for any help you can give here. I've also just notified Thine Antique Pen, and asked Sasata, who had problems with the original double hook, to take a look as well. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:46, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll take a look. I have found an image for one of the articles. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

John Struthers (anatomist)

Hi, I've completed the actions requested to date, certainly an improvement. See what you think. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Additional points (infobox etc) now also done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry to see you have killed off two of his sons! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:54, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Suspect they died young, people then often didn't know or didn't like to mention it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:57, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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Starling

And a merry Christmas to you too! Common Starling sounds good to me, and I have the Helm monograph for facts and Birds Britannia for legends. My only other project after Christmas is to get Phedina up to at least GA to complete an FT. I'm away for a couple of weeks at the beginning of Feb, but we should be well under way by then. Best wishes, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:33, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

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Biorhiza pallida or Biorrhiza pallida?

Hi,

I have searched for spelling in Google. The results are as follows:

• Biorhiza pallida - 9.720 hits
• Biorrhiza pallida - 15.300 hits

• Biorhiza - 16.400 hits
• Biorrhiza - 55.700 hits

In Gall wasp, Biorrhiza is a red link.

I'm newby to the subject, but it might give some opinion.

Cheers --Hanberke (talk) 07:41, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Good point. All my three sources used Biorhiza pallida so I went along with that. I will make a redirect for the red link in Gall wasp and another for the species name spelled with a double letter. I will leave any decision as to which spelling of the genus name is best for Wikipedia for others to make. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:40, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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Common Starling

I finally got round to having a look at the article, some first thoughts

• Although there is quite a lot there, it's obviously under referenced. Particular deficiencies may be

• Taxonomy is very thin
• There is no predators and parasites section
• The culture section includes pointless irrelevancies like "Clarice Starling" and is largely unsourced. There is better stuff in Birds Britannia.

• Do you have any views on how you want to tackle this? My personal inclination is to start on the sections above, where I have at least some decent resources, but I'll go with whatever you feel is appropriate. I'm not likely to have the time for a week or so with the assorted festivities in full flow.
• My preference for referencing is References for web, journals and short-form books, and Cited texts for the cited books, but I'm happy with anything other then current style where a multi-referenced text (Higgins) is bundled into the references. Also Bloggs J. K. Bloggs J K or Bloggs JK styles need to be consistent. happy New Year Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:38, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

You probably have better sources than I do. I will make a start on the section "Relationship with humans" starting with the introduced populations sections, but it won't be for a few days yet as we get inundated at this time of year (by relations not water).

I suggest we adopt the citation system used in African River Martin, what could be described as singing from the same hymnsheet! I will punctuate the author references as in "Mills, Michael S L; Cohen, Callan "Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:38, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

And stuff that's already there we can dump/reformat/improve as we go along, there shouldn't be any problem for referencing this species, unlike obscure African Hirundinidae where everything I can find goes in.

I make a start yesterday, added some parasites (only single-source so far) and rewrote taxonomy. I rationalised the Higgins HANZAB references into two blocks rather than the ref for each page that was there (Cas has HANZAB if we need to refer, I'm sure he would send a scan if necessary)

Would it make sense to move further discussion to the article talk page?

Do you want a copy of the species account from Feare? If so, drop me an email and I'll send a scan.

Subspecies match Feare, which is good. I think a table (like Pale Crag Martin) looks neater when there are lots of forms, what do you think?

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:10, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Discussion on Talk page is fine by me. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:16, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Before we move to the article talk page, shall I go ahead with tabulating the subspecies? Also, I think I'll ask Cas to have a look at the Hanzab stuff Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:52, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome - I should think tabulating the subspecies would be a good idea. I know nothing about Hanzab. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:02, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

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The reviewer didn't have any issues with your newly proposed hooks, but had some with the underlying articles. Is there any chance you can address them? Regardless, thanks for your help to date. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:13, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:35, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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Common Starling

I left some comments on the talk page. My search of BB failed to find what I as looking for, but I found Freare "Studies of West Palearctic birds. 196. Common Starling Sturnus vulgaris" British Birds 89:12, 549-568. 19 pages! email me if you would like a pdf or text copy of this, or the text from Freare & Craig Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:12, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

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North America

I think that the main problem is the displacement of native hole-nesters by this aggressive species, rather like the grey squirrel here displacing the red. Organic farming is such a small fraction of US agriculture that the pest control aspect would be marginal. Anyway, plenty of sources for the introduction. I'd noticed the pov, but I thought I'd leave it for you (: Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:57, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

El Condor Pasa

Thanks for the corrections. I do create a lot of articles and I always read them through before I post them, but sometimes a sort of editor blindness sets in, so that I read what I meant to write rather than what is actually on the screen. I'm not a lazy or a sloppy editor, honestly.  Tigerboy1966  18:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Its easily done. Do you think the image should have 1999 in the caption where it is currently placed? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:05, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

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Similar species

I noticed your recent edits to the similar species part of description, and a couple of points occur

• Do we really need to mention anything other than Spotless? Blackbirds and waxwings aren't genuine confusion species, and if we have them, it's a slippery slope to the assorted grackles and icterid blackbirds in NAm and the Caribbean.
• More to the point, I've been doing my books refs as short form + Cited text, yours are long form, perhaps we need to have a common approach?

thanks, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Lets forget the blackbirds and waxwings. I agree they are unlikely to cause confusion.

We'll stick to your short type book refs. (I will have a look at them and work out what exactly you mean.}

I got a bit depressed with Common Starling. I like starlings but with the Americans poisoning and shooting them, and them being in sharp decline in Britain and Europe, the outlook seems poor. I remember when Ivermectin came in as a wormer for cattle some years ago I saw comment in the farming press that it was so effective that there were no invertebrates in their dung and no fly larvae developing in cowpats. You can see that that might impact starlings. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:53, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Having said that, the huge numbers that used to occur were as a result of human farming activities, so I suppose it's swings and roundabouts. They seem to be doing well in South Africa without impacting too much on the locals, and the US attempts at annihilation have failed miserably... and they still visit our garden... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:30, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

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Cwmhiraeth, I can't tell whether you're approving the original hook or hook ALT1b here (or both!). Can you please clarify which hook(s) is/are approved? Many thanks. (PS: Agree with you on the 384 prose base number.) BlueMoonset (talk) 14:46, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

FAC reviews

Hi, Cwmhiraeth; I hope you're enjoying a Happy New Year. I've been concerned that I frequently see declarations of Support from you on FACs where subsequent reviewers uncover significant deficiencies. I was wondering if you keep FACs where you have declared Support watchlisted, so that you might revise your Support if indicated when significant issues are later revealed? I'm also hoping you'll spend time reviewing comments made by other editors at FAC, as some of your supports seem premature. When premature supports are entered, the article actually suffers by spending extra time at FAC, instead of being retired for work which would allow it to reappear sooner. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:10, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps I am not really knowledgeable enough to get involved in FAC reviews because I am still learning about the process. However, if one wants other people to review articles one puts forward, it seems only fair to contribute to the process and review theirs. Also, I have seen mention on the discussion page that there are too few people getting involved in FA reviews. I usually limit myself to assessing the quality of the prose and if I give my support it is on that basis. I also involved myself in a couple of FACs where the nominator mentioned that the article had failed on a previous occasion from a lack of comment. That seemed a shame. I am really more interested in getting articles to GA standard. (I doubt I would ever withdraw my support, that would seem like a kick in the teeth to the nominator. If I thought the article was unworthy I wouldn't review it in the first place.) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:33, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I can be a bit soft too, and do keep an eye out later for further comments. I've sometimes commented that I agree that further improvements are needed. I try to look at it from a simplistic view in that ultimately it is about pointing out anything which can make an article better until we run out of things to find. I've found your analysis of prose pretty thorough at times (which is a good thing!). I also often add what I've analysed to give my support (i.e. "support on prose and comprehensiveness-grounds" or whatever) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:38, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Casliber. Actually, I'm not sure to which FA reviews SandyGeorgia is referring. I'm not too bothered about doing FA reviewing and find some of the points made by others a bit too pernickety for my taste. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:05, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey, again ... here are a recent few I've noticed:

• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Laevistrombus canarium/archive1
• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Elephant/archive1
• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Broad-billed Parrot/archive1

I think everyone is capable of reviewing, and didn't want to suggest you shouldn't, but it can be very useful to keep a FAC watchlisted after you've Supported so you can 1) determine if your Support was premature or should be switched to "conditional on other items being fixed", and 2) learn from subsequent reviews. Also, if you're only supporting on a part of WP:WIAFA, it's helpful to the delegates if you state that, so that articles aren't promoted without full review on all criteria. One thing you can do to help both delegates and other reviewers is say something like, "I've looked at x, y and z and don't see any problems, but will revisit in a week or so to see if I can fully support" ... that is only a sample and there are many ways to continue reviewing even if you haven't done a full review to enter a full support. If you'll read through those three FACs above you may get some new ideas. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:16, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I have looked at the FACs you mention above and think your criticisms are probably valid. In each instance the article was nominated by someone "known" to me and I guess that this may have coloured my judgement, making me support by loyalty rather than purely by merit. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:25, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

That can happen to all of us! That's why I suggest you keep them watchlisted and continue to check in even after Support declarations ... it will help you learn more reviewing, and allow you to update your Support if warrnted. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:30, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

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FAC reviews

Hi, Cwmhiraeth; I hope you're enjoying a Happy New Year. I've been concerned that I frequently see declarations of Support from you on FACs where subsequent reviewers uncover significant deficiencies. I was wondering if you keep FACs where you have declared Support watchlisted, so that you might revise your Support if indicated when significant issues are later revealed? I'm also hoping you'll spend time reviewing comments made by other editors at FAC, as some of your supports seem premature. When premature supports are entered, the article actually suffers by spending extra time at FAC, instead of being retired for work which would allow it to reappear sooner. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:10, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps I am not really knowledgeable enough to get involved in FAC reviews because I am still learning about the process. However, if one wants other people to review articles one puts forward, it seems only fair to contribute to the process and review theirs. Also, I have seen mention on the discussion page that there are too few people getting involved in FA reviews. I usually limit myself to assessing the quality of the prose and if I give my support it is on that basis. I also involved myself in a couple of FACs where the nominator mentioned that the article had failed on a previous occasion from a lack of comment. That seemed a shame. I am really more interested in getting articles to GA standard. (I doubt I would ever withdraw my support, that would seem like a kick in the teeth to the nominator. If I thought the article was unworthy I wouldn't review it in the first place.) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:33, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I can be a bit soft too, and do keep an eye out later for further comments. I've sometimes commented that I agree that further improvements are needed. I try to look at it from a simplistic view in that ultimately it is about pointing out anything which can make an article better until we run out of things to find. I've found your analysis of prose pretty thorough at times (which is a good thing!). I also often add what I've analysed to give my support (i.e. "support on prose and comprehensiveness-grounds" or whatever) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:38, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Casliber. Actually, I'm not sure to which FA reviews SandyGeorgia is referring. I'm not too bothered about doing FA reviewing and find some of the points made by others a bit too pernickety for my taste. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:05, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey, again ... here are a recent few I've noticed:

• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Laevistrombus canarium/archive1
• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Elephant/archive1
• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Broad-billed Parrot/archive1

I think everyone is capable of reviewing, and didn't want to suggest you shouldn't, but it can be very useful to keep a FAC watchlisted after you've Supported so you can 1) determine if your Support was premature or should be switched to "conditional on other items being fixed", and 2) learn from subsequent reviews. Also, if you're only supporting on a part of WP:WIAFA, it's helpful to the delegates if you state that, so that articles aren't promoted without full review on all criteria. One thing you can do to help both delegates and other reviewers is say something like, "I've looked at x, y and z and don't see any problems, but will revisit in a week or so to see if I can fully support" ... that is only a sample and there are many ways to continue reviewing even if you haven't done a full review to enter a full support. If you'll read through those three FACs above you may get some new ideas. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:16, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I have looked at the FACs you mention above and think your criticisms are probably valid. In each instance the article was nominated by someone "known" to me and I guess that this may have coloured my judgement, making me support by loyalty rather than purely by merit. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:25, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

That can happen to all of us! That's why I suggest you keep them watchlisted and continue to check in even after Support declarations ... it will help you learn more reviewing, and allow you to update your Support if warrnted. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:30, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

White-eared titi GAN

Many thanks for your review. I've had a go at addressing your concerns, it'd be great if you could have another look to see if you have any more issues. Cheers, Jack (talk) 17:52, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Done further updates. Cheers, Jack (talk) 12:00, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all the work, I appreciate a more thorough review :) Jack (talk) 13:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I did that last bit of copyediting because I did not want to set you another set of hoops to jump through. I see the article is very much your own, you having brought it to is present state from just a stub over the course of several years. Congratulations. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:45, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah thanks for that! I studied the species in Bolivia for a while, very little is known about it so I guess it would always have been a stub otherwise. Jack (talk) 14:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Flabellina verrucosa

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Ankarafantsika National Park

Can you give link to other two articles ref 1 and ref 2 at one place? May in the lead! I have read all three articles and they are very nice.--Nvvchar. 12:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure precisely what you mean.

• I have added an extra reference in the Park article. It now contains sentences referring to the chameleon and the mouse, each with a reference.
• The mouse article refers to the Park and this is referenced. It does not mention the chameleon.
• The chameleon article refers to the Park and this is referenced. It does not mention the mouse.

I hope this is OK. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Atolmis rubricollis

Are you 5x-DYKing this? I think I see something hooky. ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 03:50, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Happy New Year! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:55, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

• Cool...thx. Happy NY to you!! Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:15, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

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Species articles based on database

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Ping

I think I fixed everything on the Kerry Bog Pony article now. Take a peek and see if I have addressed your concerns and let me know if I did not. Montanabw^(talk) 23:09, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

You're on a roll!

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Outstanding DYK review

Could you please take a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Grand Casemates Gates, which you reviewed back on 30 November? The article has been amended significantly since then and a new ALT4 has been proposed. If you are happy with both could you please sign it off? Prioryman (talk) 22:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I think the issue you raised has been resolved - I've posted links to pictures (including this one) which clearly show the gates. Does this satisfy your concerns? Prioryman (talk) 09:43, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

I've approved it. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:31, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

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Sea urchin suggestions

I've had a few thoughts about your sea urchin hook at Template:Did you know nominations/Echinus tylodes, Phormosoma placenta - I'd be interested to know what you think. Prioryman (talk) 20:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Manta ray collaboration

Would you be interested in working to bring Manta ray to FA this February or March? There are a few more I'd like to do and I'd likes to kill two birds with one stone. LittleJerry (talk) 21:26, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I will be happy to cooperate on the article. It strikes me that much of it is couched in a rather professional style and it needs to be looked at carefully in case there are copyright violations. In February I might be involved in the Core Contest but I think the date for that is not yet finalised. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:28, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay then. Tell me when it starts. LittleJerry (talk) 22:13, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

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Variety of English

I noticed you are changing BE "US" to AE "U.S.", contra MoS, I'm not clear why. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 20:49, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I only did it in one edit. I didn't look up the MOS but merely noted that it was not consistent within the article and looked up the article United States as an example to see what was used there. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 21:02, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

It's not a big deal, I would have fixed it myself, but I didn't want to give the appearance of reverting my collaborator. I'd checked that MoS section for something else, and the tendency for Americans to punctuate more than us stuck in my mind. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:21, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Plogonnec

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As someone with a résidence secondaire in Douarnenez, I enjoyed reading your article. I saw your message to Rosiestep on referencing. If you need help, particularly on your coverage of Britanny, I would be happy to assist. --Ipigott (talk) 17:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I tried the article Plogonnec experimentally to see how it would work out. If I do other French places, it is likely to be later on in the year. I will bear your offer in mind - your French is probably better than mine. As for my question to Rosiestep, have a look at the French article for Douarnenez. Its got a fairly comprehensive history of the town with hardly a reference in sight. If one needed to translate that for a new article it's not obvious how the English language article could be sourced sufficiently for DYK. (Douarnenez is not a good example as there is already a pretty comprehensive article in English on the town.) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:18, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

The problem is related to Wikipedia's history, both in French and English. Initially most articles were based on a list of sources or a bibliography at the foot of the article rather than in-line references which became more or less mandatory around 2007/2008, if I remember correctly. If you use French articles before then for translation, you'll probably have to research the references yourself. As I translate quite a lot (mainly from Danish but also from several other languages) I am used to sorting these things out. With a bit of practice, it goes quite fast. Good to know too that you are interested in translation. There's lots of good stuff out there in other languages, just waiting to be put into English. BTW, very impressed by your awards, especially the cup. --Ipigott (talk) 21:52, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Great name

A great user name. Hope you're not too sad, or do you have, like Bette Davies, "cwmhiraeth eyes"? (.. maybe that should be "llygaid ystafell wely"?!). Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:21, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

No need for nostalgia because I live in Wales. Cwmhiraeth is the name of a small village not far from here and I always think its name so evocative. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is, isn't it. Looking forward to a non-nostalgic, if rather small, article!? I see it already gets a mention at Dre-fach Felindre. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:38, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

That was one of the first articles I worked on after starting at Wikipedia and before I got diverted into wildlife articles. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:33, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

And what a diversion! Your User Page looks like a thriving little nature reserve. How charming. I'll have to see if there's anything I could usefully add down at Dre-fach Felindre. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:18, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Its a place with a very interesting history in connection with the woollen industry. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:23, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the tip. Look forward to seeing you around. Kind regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:48, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

interwiki translations

Hi Cwmhiraeth and thanks for reaching out to me. So here's how I approach an interwiki article which I want to create on the en wiki. I open up a lot of tabs. One has the article in its native lang. Another in en. Another in other langs, if applicable. I pull up all mentioned references: inline, bib, EL, etc. I google the subject and open up tabs for every appropriate ref which I can find. I review all the material and then I start the actual translation. I translate one paragraph or section at a time, and attribute to the other lang article each time in the edit summary. I may translate everything or just some of the foreign lang article. Then I add inline refs, EL and/or bib. And I add mroe content from the RS I found on my own. Hope that helps. And, hey, I'd love to collaborate with you on some article! --Rosiestep (talk) 02:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Laugh or cry?

I had a look at the Swedish (FA), German (GA) and Russian (GA) versions of Common Starling to see if there was anything useful... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:59, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

They've all got a nice photo of a nest and eggs! We could do with some more images. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:56, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm winding down now due to RL tasks (helping daughter to move tommorrow, should be interesting with heavy snow forecast) and preparing for holiday. Let me know if there is any content you think we need from Feare or jstor, and I'll add it before I go if I can Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:12, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

I suggest we take a break and come back to it at the end of February when you return from your holiday. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:38, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Ponnambalamedu

Hi there. Thanks for promoting the hook. Is there anyway to move the hook anywhere else so the accompanying image is included? Or is it final once decided? I am asking you because I am not familiar with how preps and queues are prepared. Is there a problem with the image? The silhouette of the hill and the holy flame are clearly visible in the thumbnail and IMO would add to the interest of the reader to click. I would also love to have the link to Sabarimala in the hook. I can understand that the hook with Sabarimala might sound weird, can't it be added back with minor grammar tweaking? :) Cheers. Suraj T 11:29, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Many more hooks with images are nominated for DYK than can be included on the front page. I took a view that your image at thumbnail size looked like a black square and was less interesting than many other nominated images. The only alteration I made to your approved nomination was to remove the word (pictured). If you had wished to change the hook to include the word Sabarimala that could have been done before it was approved two days ago. It could still be linked if you tell me how you want the linking done. The hook currently reads: - Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:48, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

• ... that the ritual of lighting Makaravilakku atop the Indian summit of Ponnambalamedu is witnessed by nearly half a million people annually?

I didnt notice the removal of Sabarimala by the approving editor when they approved. How about the following hook? Suraj T 12:01, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

• ... that the ritual of lighting Makaravilakku atop the Indian summit of Ponnambalamedu is witnessed from Sabarimala by nearly half a million people annually?

OK, I have made that change. Now we'll see if I get into trouble! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:24, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I have notified the editor. Suraj T 12:30, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

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DYK review

I addressed your concerns at Template:Did you know nominations/Misael Tamayo Hernández. Thanks for the help. ComputerJA (talk) 20:19, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Local Public Planning Council

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Copy edits

Hi there. Thanks for participating in the WP:GOCE backlog drive! I'm checking copy edits today. Your work on Pro-Vas Occlusion was quite good; it especially warmed my heart to see your corrections of "insure" to "ensure". :) I did notice a few issues with missing commas and odd wording; you can see my corrections here. Otherwise, keep up the great work, and thanks for helping out! —Torchiest ^talk_edits 20:14, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Actually, the more I looked at that Pro-Vas article, the more suspicious I got about it, so I went ahead and AfDed it, as it seems more like a cleverly disguised advertisement than an encyclopedia article. Feel free to comment here if you'd like. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 22:01, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

I do not disagree with your judgement. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:55, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Cornulaca monacantha

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WikiCup 2013 January newsletter

Signups are now closed; we have our final 127 contestants for this year's competition. 64 contestants will make it to the next round at the end of February, but we're already seeing strong scoring compared to previous years. Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) currently leads, with 358 points. At this stage in 2012, the leader ( Grapple X (submissions)) had 342 points, while in 2011, the leader had 228 points. We also have a large number of scorers when compared with this stage in previous years. 12george1 (submissions) was the first competitor to score this year, as he was last year, with a detailed good article review. Some other firsts:

• 12george1 (submissions) was also the first to score for an article, with the good article Hurricane Gordon (2000). Again, this is a repeat of last year!
• Buggie111 (submissions) was the first to score for a did you know, with Marquis Flowers.
• Spencer (submissions) was the first to score for an in the news, with 2013 Houphouët-Boigny stampede.
• Status (submissions) was the first to score for a featured list, with list of Billboard Social 50 number-one artists.
• Adam Cuerden (submissions) was the first to score for a featured picture, with File:Thure de Thulstrup - L. Prang and Co. - Battle of Gettysburg - Restoration by Adam Cuerden.jpg.

Featured articles, portals and topics, as well as good topics, are yet to feature in the competition.

This year, the bonus points system has been reworked, with bonus points on offer for old articles prepared for did you know, and "multiplier" points reworked to become more linear. For details, please see Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring. There have been some teething problems as the bot has worked its way around the new system, but issues should mostly be ironed out- please report any problems to the WikiCup talk page. Here are some participants worthy of note with regards to the bonus points:

• Ed! (submissions) was the first to score bonus points, with Portland-class cruiser, a good article.
• Hawkeye7 (submissions) has the highest overall bonus points, as well as the highest scoring article, thanks to his work on Enrico Fermi, now a good article. The biography of such a significant figure to the history of science warrants nearly five times the normal score.
• HueSatLum (submissions) claimed bonus points for René Vautier and Nicolas de Fer, articles that did not exist on the English Wikipedia at the start of the year; a first for the WikiCup. The articles were eligible for bonus points because of fact they were both covered on a number of other Wikipedias.

Also, a quick mention of The C of E (submissions), who may well have already written the oddest article of the WikiCup this year: did you know that the Fucking mayor objected to Fucking Hell on the grounds that there was no Fucking brewery? The gauntlet has been thrown down; can anyone beat it?

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Ophidiaster or Linckia

Hi, IMHO the genus name for Ophidiaster granifer is not correctly set. --Hanberke (talk) 03:33, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Well spotted, you are absolutely right. When creating an article in my sandbox I usually find a suitable taxobox to copy and then change the species details. In this case I missed one. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:19, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Agaricocrinus americanus

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Manta ray again.

I found this and I think it would provide a source (as well as biblography) on general information along with the FLMNH Ichthyology Department article. LittleJerry (talk) 21:27, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

That looks a useful source. I suggest we make a list on the talk page of things that need doing. I thought I would make a start by looking at some of the existing fish FAs to see how they compare. The only ones I can find are Ocean sunfish, Pallid sturgeon, Silky shark and Oceanic whitetip shark. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:40, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

There's also Porbeagle. LittleJerry (talk) 17:39, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Started talk. LittleJerry (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Phormosoma placenta

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DYK for Echinus tylodes

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DYK for Ophidiaster granifer

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DYK for Meek's Pygmy Parrot

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DYK for Xyloplax medusiformis

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DYK for Xyloplax turnerae

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Just to let you know. I'll be working on the physical description section his weekend, I'm busy at the moment. LittleJerry (talk) 20:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination

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DYK for Acropora pulchra

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DYK for Ophionereis reticulata

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FAC

Well, it's a time-consuming job reviewing at FAC, and there has always been an element of quid pro quo in the process. I don't mean that the likes of Cas, Sasata or Squeamish Ossifrage necessarily give you an easy ride, but I think you are bound to look first at articles by people who have reviewed your articles and share a similar wildlife interest. I wouldn't be put off by Sandy's comments, at one time I had a reviewer who always opposed my FACs on prose and invited me to withdraw them. None failed.

I see if I can prod a bit of life into the process if I get time later today in between snow shovelling. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:08, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Cenocrinus

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DYK for Francesco Berger

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Question

Do you intend for the Manta ray article to be part of your quest for the WikiCup? LittleJerry (talk) 22:00, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I will claim points for it if it successful, but it is not an important part of my campaign.

When you think it is ready, what is your plan of action? Do you propose to further improve it through GA or peer review before proceeding to FAC? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:00, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I think we should do GA first and have it reviewed by someone who would prepare it for FAC. (like Axl or Sasata). Do you think the prose is okay, thats what almost got me last time. LittleJerry (talk) 17:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I think I have sorted out the reference formats but there are sure to be things I have missed. I will go through the article and polish up the prose a bit. I may get some spellings wrong as my spell checker is set to British English and I am probably unaware of some of the differences between that and American English. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:46, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Barbary ground squirrel

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DYK for Isophyllia sinuosa

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Display (zoology)

Hi Cwmhiraeth, I see you're still working away on those DYKs! Fantastic stuff. I'm trying my hand at an FAC with Camouflage, nearly killed me but it may yet succeed.

I came across Display (zoology) a while back - it's totally uncited, poorly written and says almost nothing that isn't better said in Sexual selection and other articles (including Aposematism and my Deimatic behaviour). It has been a disgrace for 5 years or so. What do you think ought to be done about it? There isn't really an article on animal signalling (I'm trying to get Signalling theory to GA but it's a specialised subtopic really).

Ideas? - all the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:00, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

This is not a subject I know much about. Looking at the talk page of the article, I see it was formed as a result of a prior merger in 2011. Although the lead mentions three types of display behaviour, the first and third are really sexual behaviours and the second is hardly expanded on in the article. I suggest you consider exactly what you would like to do and then make a proposal on the talk page. You could then invite people to comment via the Wikiproject Animal talk page. If there was either consensus or complete indifference to your proposal, you could then proceed.

Good luck with your FAC. I try to avoid making comments on FACs put forward by people that I "know" ever since I was criticised for supporting articles too readily. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:55, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Here's what I've proposed: Talk:Display (zoology). Anyone you think I should ask directly? Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:10, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

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Update

I left an update at the Manta ray talk. Also, could you please look over the European hare article and make sure it has all UK spelling? Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 22:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I have replied on the Manta ray talk page and will check the European hare article for British English spelling. You could check the Manta ray article for American English spelling as I may have made mistakes. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Gigantoproductus giganteus

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Common Starling

Is there anything else to do, or shall we throw it to the wolves? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:47, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I ran out of momentum in your absence. Which wolves did you mean, GA or FAC? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:51, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I was rather assuming FAC, I normally only go through GA when I'm testing the water on a new type of topic, but I never bother now with bird articles. You either get a review that isn't stringent enough, or someone like Sasata who treats it as a potential FAC anyway Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:57, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

OK. I am happy to go ahead with it at FAC. I hope you had an enjoyable holiday. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:28, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes thanks, Hongkong was great, western Australia was good for birds but too hot (42C at times), Singapore we probably wouldn't have bothered with were it not for the need to break the long journey home. Do you want to initiate the nom? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:46, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

OK. I will do it later today. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:56, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 February newsletter

Round 1 is now over. The top 64 scorers have progressed to round 2, where they have been randomly split into eight pools of eight. At the end of April, the top two from each pool, as well as the 16 highest scorers from those remaining, will progress to round 3. Commiserations to those eliminated; if you're interested in still being involved in the WikiCup, able and willing reviewers will always be needed, and if you're interested in getting involved with other collaborative projects, take a look at the WikiWomen's Month discussed below.

Round 1 saw 21 competitors with over 100 points, which is fantastic; that suggests that this year's competition is going to be highly competative. Our lower scores indicate this, too: A score of 19 was required to reach round 2, which was significantly higher than the 11 points required in 2012 and 8 points required in 2011. The score needed to reach round 3 will be higher, and may depend on pool groupings. In 2011, 41 points secured a round 3 place, while in 2012, 65 was needed. Our top three scorers in round 1 were:

1. Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), primarily for an array of warship GAs.
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3. Casliber (submissions), due in no small part to Canis Minor, a featured article awarded a total of 340 points. A joint submission with Keilana (submissions), this is the highest scoring single article yet submitted in this year's competition.

Other contributors of note include:

• Sven Manguard (submissions), whose Portal:Massachusetts is the first featured portal this year. The featured portal process is one of the less well-known featured processes, and featured portals have traditionally had little impact on WikiCup scores.
• Sasata (submissions), whose Mycena aurantiomarginata was the first featured article this year.
• Muboshgu (submissions) and Wizardman (submissions), who both claimed points for articles in the Major League Baseball tie-breakers topic, the first topic points in the competition.
• Toa Nidhiki05 (submissions), who claimed for the first full good topic with the Casting Crowns studio albums topic.

Featured topics have still played no part in this year's competition, but once again, a curious contribution has been offered by The C of E (submissions): did you know that there is a Shit Brook in Shropshire? With April Fools' Day during the next round, there will probably be a good chance of more unusual articles...

March sees the WikiWomen's History Month, a series of collaborative efforts to aid the women's history WikiProject to coincide with Women's History Month and International Women's Day. A number of WikiCup participants have already started to take part. The project has a to-do list of articles needing work on the topic of women's history. Those interested in helping out with the project can find articles in need of attention there, or, alternatively, add articles to the list. Those interested in collaborating on articles on women's history are also welcome to use the WikiCup talk page to find others willing to lend a helping hand. Another collaboration currently running is an an effort from WikiCup participants to coordinate a number of Easter-themed did you know articles. Contributions are welcome!

A few final administrative issues. From now on, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review only. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) J Milburn (talk) 11:55, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

About the Ethel Scull 36 Times DYK

Hi Cwmhiraeth!
My four other DYKs were

• Myer Rosenblum
• Glover Prize
• Bermuda fish chowder
• From St Kilda to Kings Cross

I'm most proud of "From St Kilda to Kings Cross". (The single did not chart, but was later recognised as an "iconic" song about both Melbourne and Sydney.) It was co-written in about four days by three editors working together. Which I would venture to suggest is a good example of the collaborative nature of the Wikipedia project.--Shirt58 (talk) 12:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree, collaboration is much better than confrontation and works fine on Wikipedia. But the next article you write and nominate for DYK will need a QPQ review, according to the DYK rules. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

GA review

Thank you for volunteering to review this article. I have yet to expand into extra sections or detail transport, but otherwise I believe I have met your concerns. Thanks --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 00:40, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Thamk you.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 15:25, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

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Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

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Common Starling

I initially replaced the existing licence with PD-US using the template you mention. On thinking about it, I've now re-added the original PD-old too. I added "Base map File:BlankMap-World-large.png", but it's rotted up the template, so I've now scrapped the template to make it more intelligible Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:04, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I thought the point of the map query was to establish from where the data on range included on the map originated, not where the outline map of the world came from. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:15, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I should have realised that. Can you add your source? If you have used more than one, just add them all Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:55, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

The range map predates our involvement with the starling article. I will see if I can find a suitable source for the information later today. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:04, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

It was easy to find the source of the information and I have added the details to the map description. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:49, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Manta again

Looks like the GA is still on hold. I'm waiting for Sasata or Axl to get around to it. LittleJerry (talk) 22:27, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

J Milburn has offered to have a look at it. That will be good as he is a thorough reviewer.

With regard to the image captions, I would prefer not to use the manta's name because it is not apparent for some images as to which species is illustrated. The captions point seems rather a matter of individual opinion rather than a MOS matter. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:05, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

What do you think we should do after the GA review. You think the article will be ready for FAC or should we next get it an independent copyedit or peer review? LittleJerry (talk) 01:07, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

The GA review so far has not been helpful in sorting out any issues the article may have so I should think a peer review might be a good idea. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:54, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

In case we'll need a peer review, do you know anybody that could give it a FA level review? Maybe Axl will be finished. LittleJerry (talk) 21:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

You just have to wait and see who offers. FunkMonk might be good. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Lascaris Battery

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DYK for Savi's pipistrelle

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DYK for Carneddau

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DYK for Glyderau

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DYK for Cecidophyopsis ribis

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DYK for Acropora palifera

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Near Eastern fire salamander

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DYK for Acanthastrea lordhowensis

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Centennial range

To answer your question, there's quite a few good images out there. But they're either privately held, or Canadian gov. images. Unlike the US, the Canadian gov. really locks down its copyrights. I may have found a map, but also unsure of copyrights. Otherwise, I should talk the the Alpine Club of Canada, as they seem to be the other source. I feel bad putting up an article on a physical feature with no images, it's disappointing to readers. Thanks for reviewing, The Interior (Talk) 19:15, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I had a look for images and didn't find any. It made me realise what vast, little-known ranges of mountains there are in the Canadian Northwest. It makes the European Alps seem puny! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:21, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

No shortage of peaks over here, tons of country to explore and lots or articles still to add to WP. This area is especially remote. Best, The Interior (Talk) 19:42, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

FAC

Well, it's a time-consuming job reviewing at FAC, and there has always been an element of quid pro quo in the process. I don't mean that the likes of Cas, Sasata or Squeamish Ossifrage necessarily give you an easy ride, but I think you are bound to look first at articles by people who have reviewed your articles and share a similar wildlife interest. I wouldn't be put off by Sandy's comments, at one time I had a reviewer who always opposed my FACs on prose and invited me to withdraw them. None failed.

I see if I can prod a bit of life into the process if I get time later today in between snow shovelling. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:08, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you too, I wouldn't have done this on my own, my tendency being to start from stubs if possible, but it's a high-profile species so I'm glad we did it. I thought it worked well in terms of complementary skills and resources. I thought when Ian Rose commented earlier that it on the verge of promotion Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:58, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Hildoceras bifrons

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Onion article

Hello there. I recently made a change to the nutrition value template on the Onion article. I noticed that you've made frequent edits to the article and wanted to ask you if you had any feedback. Chango369w (talk) 18:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Also, clearly I didn't know what I was doing when I used the add category function! I don't even know if I have successfully undone it. Chango369w (talk) 18:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

The category seems OK now. I don't know much about the nutrition table. What does "Nutrient data for 11282" mean? Actually using the search facility I found what it meant after I had written that, but it would be nice to have a reference leading straight to the USDA onion page. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:07, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

That is a fantastic idea ! I think I might have it, just a moment Chango369w (talk) 19:36, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I have put in a direct link, but because of my inexperience with the finer points of Wikipedia, I don't know if there's a better way to do it.Chango369w (talk) 19:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

That's fine. It looks as if you are doing a useful job on nutrition boxes. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:53, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I want to express my gratitude for the feedback you provided. Now I'm on a mission and in the process, I'm learning quite a bit about how to format articles. At first, I was simply updating and adding boxes. After a time I started to notice a trend for adding images without any regard to how they render in the browser. I must admit I was befuddled by this myself until I started learning about the stack template. Now I'm unafraid to be bold, although I am taking the default position that I will not remove images from an article, nor will I delete content unless there's some redundancy issue.

Once again, thanks!

If I may, I'd like to run something by you. Thus far I've only had one objection from a user who didn't like my addition to the Crabapple article (which redirects to Malus). I had a small dialogues with him and ended up acquiescing, because at first his argument seemed reasonable.

Now I'm convinced that his argument is not all that sound, because his take was that if the USDA nutrition information for Crabapples is not specific to a single species, then it doesn't belong in the article because there's too much variation from species to species. I think this is flawed because even within a single species, there is variation in nutrient content between cultivars, sometimes drastically so (e.g. cherry).

Since the USDA Nutrient Database has become a prominent source of nutrient information, I really don't see the harm of adding the box in as long as there's some notation that it pertains to Malus spp., i.e, that it's not exactly representative of Crabapples on the whole, but that it does at least give some idea of the nutrient content.

I'm not sure whether to just let it go, or try some sort of dispute resolution. Thoughts? Chango369w (talk) 18:30, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

As a personal view, I don't like conflicts and it seems to me that, if some user is protective about some article that he feels strongly about, it is not worth the hassle of arguing about the rights or wrongs of the case. There are so many articles in wikipedia to create, add to, improve that you are spoilt for choice.

Here's an idea for you. Start an article on Crab apple yourself and include your nutrition table in it. It is quite easy to get rid of the redirect and I'm sure you can find some nice images and some worthwhile content. Creating articles is satisfying, I enjoy doing it anyway. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:23, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the idea and you're absolutely right; the opportunities are endless. I might just go ahead and create that article. I think we're on the same wavelength as far as conflicts go, which was another reason for not engaging any more than I did. Chango369w (talk) 19:51, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

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We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate Miyagawa (submissions) (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's Casliber (submissions) (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with WikiWomen's History Month. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist Niels Bohr ( Hawkeye7 (submissions)), on the European hare ( Cwmhiraeth (submissions)), on the constellation Circinus ( Keilana (submissions) and Casliber (submissions)) and on the Third Epistle of John ( Cerebellum (submissions)). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's wikification drive. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such gnomish work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review only. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) J Milburn (talk) 22:59, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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Manta ray GA 2nd opinion

Hi Cwmhiraeth, I'm not entirely sure what's happened with Manta ray as it looks as if you've done everything you've been asked (though I think the lead needs to be a little longer really). I've marked each section of the GA form with an "it looks ok" 2nd opinion comment and have pinged the original reviewer to that effect. If he has gone on extended leave, I suggest I'll pass the article in a week or so - I can't find any procedure for what to do in this situation! Meanwhile, why not take a fresh look at the lead section. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:11, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. The review seemed to have ground to a halt. I will do what you suggest with regard to the lead. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:50, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Great. I've therefore recommended an immediate pass. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:42, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

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Manta again

Hopefully the review will be done soon. After that I'll send it to PR and wait for Axl and possibly list it for copyediting, until you think its ready for FAC. LittleJerry (talk) 20:28, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

OK. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:47, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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Manta GA

Hi! Just so you know, today I passed the article as I am now satisfied it meets all the criteria. Sorry it's taken so long, but the article was quite complex, and required a second opinion on some issues. Thanks for your work with the review/second opinion stuff! ★★RetroLord★★ 09:14, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:35, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for taking up the GA review. I've just had a quick run through the article and think the suggestions you made and the ambiguities you spotted and pointed out for revision have definitely improved it. Thanks again. Richard asr (talk) 08:33, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Eucidaris metularia

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Pennant's Indian Zoology

... is discussed at Alexander J. P. Raat, The Life of Governor Joan Gideon Loten. Pages 527 ff. Loten was pretty rude about Peter Mazell, too! Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:44, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I haven't really got on the Indian Zoology yet but I don't think Pennant travelled further east than Germany so his first hand knowledge must have been pretty limited. I am working chronologically through my Memoir and this autobographical book so am not short of material. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:35, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Raat criticises Pennant for going beyond his knowledge or enthusiasm. Neither he nor Mazell went anywhere near India, and they were out of their depth. The Brit Mus describes Mazell as a minor engraver .. I think he was pretty good on the stuff he knew.

Is there anything you'd like me to help with on Pennant, or you'd rather be left alone? I think I might put up some more engravings on Commons so we can have a {{commons cat}} box in the article perhaps. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:50, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome to help and a "commons cat" sounds a good idea - I am not very good at images. For a start I am trying to get the article up to a five times expansion so that I can put it forward for DYK, including you as co-nominator. It's about x4 at the moment. Then I will have more time to sort it out, think more about images, write a proper lead etc. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:04, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Manta cite

Hey, did you have the page number for Sharks and rays of Australia? LittleJerry (talk) 22:11, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

No I don't. That reference probably predates our involvement with the article. However it is not really necessary as it is only used once and even then there is another source supplying the same information. I have only just realised the peer review is in progress! I was busy on something else anyway. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:07, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Pennant's dates

I've replied on my own talk page. Seems the dates are "right", in a Pennanty sort of way. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:11, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Pennant bibliography

I found this list. Maybe one or two new things on it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Prys Morgan, The Eighteenth Century Renaissance, (Llandybïe, 1981)

R. Paul Evans, 'Thomas Pennant's writings on North Wales', MA thesis, University of Wales, Swansea, 1985 (thesis 1985/806)

R. Paul Evans, 'The life and work of Thomas Pennant (1726-1798)', PhD thesis, University of Wales, Swansea, 1994 (thesis 1994/746)

R. Paul Evans, 'Thomas Pennant (1726-1798): the father of Cambrian tourists', Welsh History Review, vol. 13, no. 4, (December, 1987), pp. 395-417 (based on the author's MA thesis)

M. Bevan-Evans, 'Thomas Pennant and Downing', in the Flintshire Historical Society Publications, vol. 14, (1953-4), pp. 72-9

Eiluned Rees, 'An introductory survey of 18th century Welsh libraries', in The Journal of the Welsh Bibliographical Society, vol. X, no. 4, (June, 1971), pp. 197-258

E. Rees and G. Walters, 'The Library of Thomas Pennant', in The Library. Transactions of the Bibliographical Society, fifth series, vol. XXV, no. 2, (June, 1970), pp. 136-49

Dictionary of Scientific Biography, ed. Charles Coulston Gillispie (New York, 1970-80), 16 vols, vol. X, pp. 509-10

Core

Hadn't thought of it... but why not?... the value for me would be collab. editing as I'm getting a bit lonely doing NH books! What were you thinking of working on, and would you like me to join in with you? Could be fun. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:10, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm planning to do Sea and if you would like to join me, I'd be delighted. At the moment the article is practically nothing, dealing with the subject as "A sea" rather than "The sea". My plan was to cover all sorts of topics such as sea water, waves, tides, currents, fishing, commerce, tourism, exploration, marine ecology etc. I have made a start in my sandbox. Let me know what you think. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:29, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Mm, yes, ok, the old one is feeble (and most of it shd just be hived off as a "List of ..", with link). The new one is at once more promising. This is quite a task. What do you think I might best do in it? Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Anything that takes your fancy. The Spanish equivalent article has a nice neat box for displaying seas and even has a section "Mares extraterrestres". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, I'll start Spanish... Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:14, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, do you plan on getting an invertebrate to FA? LittleJerry (talk) 00:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

In the summer, I may work on something like sea urchin, jellyfish, sea cucumber or crinoid. Or I may stick to vertebrates, I'm not sure at the moment. I now have a copy of Barnes "Invertebrate Zoology" which makes these topics much more feasible. Did you fancy another collaboration? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:18, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Not sure yet. I was thinking of octopus but that article is already developed and it seems like it would be complicated. LittleJerry (talk) 13:23, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I'd be happy to join you working on octopus if you decide to go ahead with it. "Invertebrate Zoology" has 20 pages on cephalopods. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I think the problem would be finding cites for the things like culture and human consumption. LittleJerry (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

You could be right. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:13, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Am I allowed to join in? I think we could handle that. Met Museum of Art: Late Helladic stirrup jar with octopus, etc. I think it would be fun! Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:17, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

You could add Paul the Octopus with his football predictions too! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:25, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Not to mention J. Z. Young and his work on repairing nerve injuries using octopuses - the one in the tank in his lab used to wave at him every morning, but I doubt I can find a cite for that bit... Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:29, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Great! If you guys are on broad, I guess we can work this summer. We'll have to set up a gameplan sometime, since I think we should re-write most of the article. LittleJerry (talk) 22:21, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

What about starfish? LittleJerry (talk) 22:51, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Could do! I brought it to GA last year and have been maintaining it from vandalism since so it is in good basic shape. At that time I was concentrating on GA and didn't think about FA. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay, maybe Chip can join. LittleJerry (talk) 22:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good. Do you want to start now or later? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:31, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Later this month, I may post a gameplan on the talkpage next week. LittleJerry (talk) 15:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I guess we can start anytime. I added suggestions to the talkpage. LittleJerry (talk) 02:34, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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Resurrectionists in the United Kingdom

I've attempted to address all the issues you raised during the review. If there's anything I've missed please let me know. Malleus Fatuorum 17:58, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

What you have done looks good to me. I will remove my opposition and hope your edits don't get reverted! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:13, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much. If they get reverted they get reverted, but I'll have done everything I can. Malleus Fatuorum 18:29, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

More manta

Axl is done with the PR. I submitted it to the CE guild just to be safe. LittleJerry (talk) 01:38, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I think we might as well go ahead. How do we co-nominate? Do I just post it and you jump on board when you can? LittleJerry (talk) 22:53, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Having done a nomination for Common Starling recently, I knew how to do a joint nomination and so I have nominated the article, with your name first. My name needed to be included in the nomination to give me a chance of claiming points in the WikiCup. You can add a nomination statement if you wish, before or after mine. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:28, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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Marine biology

Moved a copy into my seapit ... found NO usable refs in the whole thing, just POV-selected stuff on climate change, etc etc. Am putting together a short but I hope decent top-level overview for a sea section. Then we can rewrite the MB article as well... (a famous climber was once asked what it was like going up the Old Man of Hoy, a vertical stack of loose rock. He replied "like climbing the library" ... everything he touched came away in his hand. Know the feeling.) Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

AAaaaaaaargh, I was hoping there'd be a separate Marine zoology article, but there's just a redirect to the dreaded MB! Unbelievable. Massive scope for improvement for Barnes owners... just start at Page 1... ;-} Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:20, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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Genevieve Lhermitte

Hi, Cwmhiraeth. As I'm sure you noticed, our class is new to Wikipedia, so hopefully this is the right way to contact you. (I don't know if you receive notifications on our Genevieve Lhermitte page.) Our presentation is Wednesday, and I was just wondering if there's anything specific you feel that the page needs to improve upon in order for it to gain "Good Article" status. Please let us know so that we can fix it in time. Thanks! --Information-01152001 (talk) 22:00, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

This is indeed the right way to contact me. I have rounded off the Good Article review, - I knew your time was limited but not when the deadline was due. All the best! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Article

This article could provide some more information on the mantas relationship among rays. LittleJerry (talk) 04:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

BTW there is a cladogram tool which might be useful for such things. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Sea in culture

I've drafted something on Culture while waiting for the, er, storm to subside ... seems it now has, maybe you'd like to say something gracious on the talk page? Let me know if you think this a good moment to add the Culture piece, or how we should proceed otherwise. Would much rather have most of the team onside if poss. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

My only recent comment on the talk page disappeared into the maelstrom. I've mostly been admiring your navigational skills through choppy waters. As to Culture, I am glad you are working on it as it is far from my favourite section. You might wait for a day or two for the sea to calm down further. I was rather dismayed yesterday, when I came home after being out all day, to find how difficult things had become. I have added a Pollution section today and have moved on to Fishing. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:18, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Mmm, yes, exactly. I'll wait a bit, rather what I was feeling too. Was wondering about joining in with a Cladogram for Manta ray, in the meantime - haven't even thought about Octopus. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:32, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I asked Sasta to make a cladogram but if you're willing to do it I'll inform him. When can you start CC? LittleJerry (talk) 17:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Have replied on LittleJerry's talk page. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:09, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Now that you've extended the neighbouring sections, the Culture section looks more or less appropriate in length/level of detail to me. Would you still like me to cut it down and move it out? Happy to do whatever you think best. Would be a shame to over-egg the pudding with too much rich culture, but equally, a pity not to make use of the wealth of allusions (ok, bluelinks and numbered refs!) it provides. Please advise. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

It might be over-replete with quotations but I was thinking much the same - that its length no longer seemed excessive. With your power generation section and the bit I have added about the law of the seas, I think we are about done, apart from tidying up and copy editing. There is the matter of hiving off the list of seas, but I think we can leave that for the moment. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

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I was wondering whether you'd be interested in reviewing this again now that there's an ALT2 supplied, and some new material in the article? If so, just stop by. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:22, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I had another look. My preference would be to stick to ALT1. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:24, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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Prep area 2

Hi, just a quick heads up - I think you've just added this nomination for Tirto Adhi Soerjo to the prep area 2. Isn't that a bit early for the requested date of May 3? Sorry to be a pain! SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I did notice that after I had done it. I'm not clever enough to reverse it but I have left a note on Crisco 1492's talk page in case he feels it should be changed. He wrote the article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:13, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I just wasn't sure if you had noticed. SagaciousPhil - Chat 11:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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Suggestions

Hi Cwmhiraeth, you might be able to pick up some ideas at [[2]]. There's nothing very definite but perhaps the feeling is useful. Hope you had a good break. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:57, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm back home and have had a look at the article to see what has been going on in my absence. What happened to your Extraterrestrial seas section? I see the Culture section has expanded considerably. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

We got a DYK with bar(nstar) and congratulations. Small gripes have continued, I eventually gave up listening to the much-binding-in-the-marsh-but-never-take-any-action types. The Culture section was fun, specially countering the charge of anglo- or west-centrism but with the Japanese etc in there it's about as good as I can make it, we need some editors from other continents if it's to go further. The extraterrestrials were chopped in one go by an editor who said it was not within the meaning of the introduction (the lead, I guess) which he took as a definition of the article's scope - odd, as the lead is written based on the article's contents when I write such a thing! However the question of whether this is "the earth's sea" or "seas of any description" is unresolved, which is why the list is still there, why the gripers gripe, and why the starry seas are out. Of course we can rescue the text from the history when we know where to put it.

I like your new culture section. However, I think it's too long and detailed by comparison with the rest of the article. On my screen it occupies 2.5 screen-lengths. I would suggest it might be made into a separate article such as "Marine culture" and a summary section left behind. Maybe some of the other sections (including those written by me) are also too long, especially where there is an existing main article. I look forward to removing the list of seas to a new article at some stage. For the moment, we could concentrate on following the suggestions of the judges at the Core Competition so as to give us the best chance of doing well there. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, we could do that; it all depends on what will best get the article through GA/FA, see below. And yes, the list and the what-is-a-sea bit needs to move out, certainly before attempting FA. If there's anything per the core judges you'd like me to do, just tell me! Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:35, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I had a look at Carcharoth's comment but I am not sure I have access to anything comprehensive in the way of encyclopaedias. I'll see what my reference library has got. For the time being I have a few additional things to add. Have you any further ideas? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

It's free to look at various online encyclopedias but frankly they add little. The wish that the article should perfectly harmonise with all other watery articles is frankly hopeless, there is no end to that (well, there is, 4,000,000 articles will need to be adjusted, it's a finite number). I have nothing to add until prodded - the current goal has been reached, so I await your wishes or suggestions for what to do to Sea or Octopus or anything really. Chiswick Chap (talk) 06:36, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

My original aim was to get the article to GA later in the year. We could stick to that plan or we could consider trying to get it to FA. Comprehensiveness might the problem there as different people have different ideas on what should be included. I must say I find your enthusiasm and hard work invigorating and joint nominations for FA are less arduous for the nominators so I would be happy to go that way. I would prefer any FAC to be later in the summer but if we went that route, the GA could be any time. With regard to doing anything else, I am happy to help with Octopus but I expect Little Jerry will want to take the lead and choose when to start. I also have other ideas including some possible co-operations. The Sea was so pleasant to do because it was a blank canvas and we could do what we liked. Patching up existing articles is not such fun. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I will do whatever I can to support you in whatever you choose. I will be on hols 16 July - 14 Aug so don't expect help in that period! Of course it would be great to do GA or FA but since I have no specific ambitions you should just do it as you like and ask me to help as and when. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:35, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

How would you like to join me in working on the article Ocean? It has surprisingly little overlap with "Sea" and is reasonably well-referenced. It has a large section on "Extraterrestrial oceans". We could integrate it with Sea and move things from one article to the other if we felt it was appropriate. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:46, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

RU sure? Would that not whip up a storm? The 'the sea' vs 'a sea' is unresolved; I can imagine 'the ocean' vs 'an ocean' writ large, as well as ocean=sea... why is this a good idea? Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:05, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps you are right. I'll leave this idea on the shelf. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:59, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Um. We'll still need to resolve the issues around sea; when we have good answers, i.e. the tree of articles has a clear logical structure with good navigation (no pun intended), then probably ocean will (have to) fit in also. Therefore, I did not mean to put us off editing the other articles, just to work out how they ought to fit together so we don't make a muddle. How would you like to organize the articles, and what navigational support would you have in mind? There could be a full-width template at the end, for instance, and it could have more than one row. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:49, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm happy to leave Sea as a stand alone article. The mention of Ocean was a spur of the moment thing and after the Core Competition I aim to move on to something a bit drier (like a desert). Meanwhile the "Power generation" section of Sea needs expansion. Do you want to do it? Or I can, but not till Thursday. The competition ends on the 12th May I think.Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll see you on Xerophytes, then. I've had a go at Power generation - needless to say, as soon as I looked about I found dead links, out of date claims and flaky refs, not to mention OR. The subject is enormous and complicated but I think what I've written is decently verifiable. It does balance the other sections a bit better now, and there is a bit of a bluelink farm too. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:22, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

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Trace metals

Hallo again, I'm not quite sure how the very interesting paragraph on trace metals in marine invertebrates relates to the extractive industries - certainly it shouldn't be the first or largest paragraph in the section. If the section had a chunk on the main metals/salts to be extracted, with perhaps a paragraph also on undersea mining, then there could be a 'future' paragraph on manganese nodules, marine invertebrates, and possible future trace metal extraction (say). Something like that? Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:12, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, I agree. It's better if I work in my sandbox really as I got a bit distracted from the main topic. I haven't finished the section and will continue tomorrow. I was wondering about renaming it "Minerals from the sea".

Do you fancy expanding the power generation section? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:59, 5 May 2013 (UTC)