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Sourcing of articles in general

Let's say there is one textbook, or one book/report published by an international society of scientific specialists, which covers all the basic information about an article's subject. The book does not contain all information about the subject of course, but further information would be more advanced content than should be presented in the main article. Also, let's assume that the latest advancements in this subject are not at the fundamental level. In general, the writers of this book would be more knowledgeable than any Wikipedia editors, so they have the authority to decide what is essential in an overview of the topic. In such a case, could the Wikipedia article be essentially a summary of the book, relying primarily on that source, and using almost no other sources? If so, are there any examples of this? If not, why not? 2603:3024:1912:4100:F017:8AE0:7E29:4036 (talk) 17:49, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

If there is only one book discussing the topic then the topic would not meet the criteria of WP:GNG. We need to see multiple reliable independent sources discussing the topic. If it is a notable topic there will be many sources that discuss the topic. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 18:00, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, as McMatter says. You can think of it like this: "notable" in Wikipedia jargon doesn't mean "worthy of note": it means "that several independent people have noted, in a non-trivial way". If essentially nothing has been written about the subject other than that textbook, then that condition is not met. ColinFine (talk) 18:06, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

@Mcmatter and ColinFine: That's not what I meant. The book would cite many secondary sources itself. In this situation, there would be a lot of sources discussing the topic, but this book has compiled them, so that the book alone would be able to cite all content in the article. 2603:3024:1912:4100:F831:C40F:5F49:6667 (talk) 18:22, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

In that case, the book should be cited as well as the most comprehensive of the secondary sources cited in the book. An editor would need to read them before citing them. Cullen328 (talk) 18:45, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

And note also that the bulk of those sources cited need to be from people who were not the originators or primary investigators of the subject. ColinFine (talk) 19:56, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Infobox adding Musical Genre

Hello... May I know how to add genre in someone infobox? ShowaCurator (talk) 03:05, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the teahouse! Here is how you can do this. Please add
| module = {{Infobox musical artist|embed=yes
| genre = [[GENRE HERE]]
}}
to the end of the the infobox. Happy editing, Heart ^(talk) 03:19, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

@ShowaCurator: You would add the module if the infobox is not already {{Infobox musical artist}}, such as {{Infobox person}}. If the infobox is {{Infobox musical artist}}, then just fill in the value in the |genre= parameter, or add the parameter if it's missing. GoingBatty (talk) 03:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @ShowaCurator: Hi there! Musical genres can be a sensitive topic regarding some artists, and editors may have already come to consensus on which genre(s) to list. First, read Template:Infobox musical artist#genre. Then, check the infobox for comments regarding the genre parameter. You might even want to check the article's talk page for previous discussions. If you decide to be bold and add a genre, you should also add a published independent reliable source as a reference, as well as a clear ]edit summary. If your edit is reverted, then you can use the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle and discuss it on the article's talk page. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:21, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. But may I know if it is okay to change the infobox that is already for a person to a musician, actually, she was a singer. Because when I put the code the parameter is rejected because already in person template. I want to change but I am afraid I will ruin the list that is already established. Once again... Thank you very much :D ShowaCurator (talk) 03:48, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

@ShowaCurator: Are you referring to the Yukiko Okada article? If so, I've added the genre, which you can change if needed. If not, what article are you trying to edit? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, thank you very much GoingBatty :) ShowaCurator (talk) 19:57, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

@ShowaCurator: I see you added the correct genre with a source in the edit summary. You could also add the source as a reference in the infobox. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:04, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, :D once again, thank you very much, I learn more. especially for html, this double [ and <br> ShowaCurator (talk) 20:10, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

How do we know our total number of contributions?

How do we know our total number of contributions?

Is there an automated counter? 1IceCloudStation (talk) 19:55, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

There is a counter available at https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/1IceCloudStation - the link (titled 'Edit count') is located at the very bottom of your contributions page. Tollens (talk) 19:59, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

@1IceCloudStation: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can also see your total number of edits at Special:Preferences. GoingBatty (talk) 20:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I do not if a lot of us know of this.

I just want to suggest that a message about this when we start on Wikipedia or something could help a lot of people. 1IceCloudStation (talk) 20:08, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Doing that might result in people being more concerned about their number of edits instead of the quality of their edits. There's a lot of information that is higher on the priority list for people to know, IMO. 331dot (talk) 20:20, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

If it is okay to continue on this topic:

I don't know if exists, but some sort of award or recognition for quality edits could help in terms of that issue. For example, editing the mathematics articles can be challenging and the edit help a lot of readers of Wikipedia articles. Starlighsky (talk) 20:24, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

After I wrote this, I just noticed the grading system. Starlighsky (talk) 20:25, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

@Starlighsky: Some editors give other editors barnstars or other sorts of wikilove for quality work. GoingBatty (talk) 20:39, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Interesting, thanks. Starlighsky (talk) 20:45, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

People (for example, me) can put on their User page indicators for articles they have raised to Good or Featured. David notMD (talk) 01:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Starlighsky (talk) 01:06, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

@1IceCloudStation personally what I'm most proud of is the systemic bias barnstar I received. I've made a lot of edits, some controversial, but that one is my fave accomplishment. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 01:13, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Congratulations on the badge!

The Systemic Bias Barnstar

For continual high quality editing on neglected Chinese and Japanese topics and pages Starlighsky (talk) 01:19, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:WBE is useful. GrahamHardy (talk) 18:48, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Starlighsky (talk) 19:45, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Newer editors should also be able to see their contribution count (AKA "Total edits) on their homepage: Special:Homepage.

The Wikimedia Foundation Growth team hopes to release some further improvements to the "Your impact" section soon, which you can see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Homepage&new-impact=1

@1IceCloudStation Please let me know if you have any feedback on the improvements to the "Your impact" section (or about the homepage in general). I work on the Growth team, and we are continuing to make improvements to make that page more useful to newer editors. KStoller-WMF (talk) 20:33, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Starlighsky (talk) 20:37, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I just want to add that it turned out that there are two societies with the same name giving an award. The more prestigious one, which was in the article, was actually the most difficult to confirm with an internet search. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starlighsky (talk • contribs) 19:47, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Emil Artin

I am reading this article Emil Artin and I found the majority of the article, namely "Early life and education" and "Career" sections, to be mostly devoid of any reference and written in a non-neutral tone. It's an exciting life story, to be sure. It would be even better if the story is backed up with references. 89.245.157.175 (talk) 08:18, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. It certainly would be better if the article were sourced and edited. But the Teahouse is not really the place to ask for people to work on an article. You might find somebody here interested enough to do so, but you might not. (Remember that all Wikipedia editors are volunteers who work on what they choose to work on).

Some things you could do are:

1. If you have the time and the interest, you could work on it yourself. Anybody may edit (almost) any Wikipedia article. I see there's a biography linked that is available online.
2. You might ask at one of the WikiProjects listed on the article's talk page if there is somebody interested in working on improving it.

I was going to suggest tagging the article as in need of references, but I see somebody else has just done that. ColinFine (talk) 09:55, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

User:ColinFine User:ContributeToTheWiki User:GoingBatty Thanks for the reply and edits. I would also like to tag the article for cleaning up all trivial details about his life, including but not limited to his non-notable conversation about Andromeda and whether University of Goettingen is "considered the 'Mecca' of mathematics at the time". I can read the German article on him, that article is very concise, in the form of a curriculum vitae. Only what University degrees he held and which major mathematical discovery he made are included. His emigration to US is covered with one sentence, whereas the English article includes which furniture he shipped. WP:NOTDIARY I myself is not familiar with the history of mathematics and therefore can not make improvements to the article. 89.245.157.175 (talk) 20:18, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! The best place to discuss how to improve the article is on the article's talk page: Talk:Emil Artin. If you don't receive a response in a few days, then asking some of the WikiProjects to discuss on the article talk page would be the next step, as ColinFine suggested. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:30, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Can I add my image to page?

I want to add my image for "misal" to page Misal

can i add?

Delicious001 (talk) 03:14, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@Delicious001: Hi there, and welcome to the Teahouse! Is the image a photograph with your own camera? Then you could read the Wikipedia:Image use policy and use Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard to upload it to Wikimedia Commons, and then read Help:Pictures to learn how to add it to the Misal article. Of course, other editors might revert your edit if they don't agree your photo enhances the article, in which case you could discuss it at Talk:Misal. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:45, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

guide me before submit my page

I want to submit my page before submit request to review

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Nepal_Network_TV_NNTV&action=submit Jprabhavan (talk) 06:39, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Jprabhavan, Draft:Nepal Network TV NNTV has already been submitted for review. If it is reviewed in its current state, it will be declined, as it cites no sources (though it does list some – please read Help:Referencing for beginners).   07:40, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Put the refs in the text after the content that is being confirmed by the refs. The software will insert superscipted numbers in the text and list the refs under Referencs. David notMD (talk) 08:06, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Film or TV Film?

A Short Film (which isn't actually that short, as it's 28 minutes long, which is above the minimum of 22 minutes for a TV programme to be classed as a short on IMDB) was shown at a prestigious film festival, where it won an award.

It possibly got shown in other festivals around the world too, however I have no idea whether it did or it didn't.

73 days later it was shown on TV, as part of a series showcasing first time filmmakers short films, where it most likely got more attention and viewers than all the festivals put together.

Should I add the film to Wikipedia as a Film (as I suspect it should), or as a TV Film? Danstarr69 (talk) 11:48, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Well according to our definition of a television film that would be a film film (or short film?). Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:50, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

my submissions are getting declined

I disclosed that i was paid to edit on wiki and included all the necessary documentation on my article as was mentioned on wikipedia still my draft keeps on getting declined i need help publishing my draft Ogresbaku (talk) 08:25, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Your drafts are not being declined because you are paid to edit, they are declined because they are VERY poorly sourced, promotional and with no indication of WP:GNG#Notability. Theroadislong (talk) 08:29, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

please suggest correct way to do it. as we want our article live Jprabhavan (talk) 11:35, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ogresbaku, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that "as we want our article live" implies that, like many people, you have a fundamental miunderstanding of what Wikipedia is.

Wikipedia contains neutrally-written articles about subjects that meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, based almost completely on the independent reliable sources that are required to establish that notability.

If your company does not meet those criteria, then every second spent on trying to write an article is time and effort wasted.

If your company does meet those criteria, then an article is possible, and you are permitted to try and create one. You will want to read WP:BACKWARD.

Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If some of those reliable sources say things about Namah Pictures that you really really hate, it will still be your duty under Wikipedia's policy of neutrality to put those things in - and if you don't, somebody else will add them. (See WP:PROUD).

Finally, There is no deadline - you may want the article about your company (which is not, and will never be "your article") live, but Wikipedia wants it compliant with its policies before it goes live. ColinFine (talk) 12:46, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

How to do an edit without people getting rid of it

? WONKAKlD (talk) 13:04, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@wonkakld: you can't. reversions of good faith edits are common on wikipedia. lettherebedarklight晚安 13:06, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, WONKAKlD. What I think @Lettherebedarklight was implying is that 'anyone can edit' so if you make a mistake in one of your own edits to an article, you are not able to prevent someone else removing it. But you can start a discussion with them on their talk page if you want to politely query their rationale for reverting your edit.

The only place where it's not generally OK for someone to remove an edit (providing it falls within Wikipedia's policies) is in your own user pages.

The simple answer to your question is, of course, to only make edits that improve the encyclopaedia and which are neither copies of copyrighted content, nor unsourced or claims that cannot be substantiated from Reliable Sources. I took a look at some of your contributions, and it's pretty clear that some clearly fell into the trap of being WP:UNCIVIL around 5th June. So avoid doing anything like that again and always deal politely and respectfully with other volunteer editors. That way you will neither have your edits undone nor find yourself blocked for a lack of civility to others. Oh, and keep your views and personal biases well away from Wikipedia, including on talk pages. This is a serious project and schoolboy insults and attitudes won't wash here. I hope this helps and explains the best approach to constructive editing in future. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

WONKAKlD, in addition to what everyone else said, it's a good idea to avoid contentious topics like politics until you're more familiar with Wikipedia's practices. Edits related to politics usually received more scrutiny and are more likely to be reverted if they don't closely align with reliable sources. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:07, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

What Does a Green Circle with a Green X Mean?

I saw, in my Global Contributions Section, the green circle and green "X". It sounds like it is a good thing, but can't find exactly it means. Starlighsky (talk) 02:18, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@Starlighsky: Do you mean this? >
Apmh 02:32, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. Starlighsky (talk) 03:12, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@Starlighsky: Welcome to the Teahouse! I see the icon on Special:CentralAuth/Starlighsky, and a few other editors' accounts, including mine. Hovering over it states "new account". Clicking on the (?) next to the icon brings up the explanation "Indicates that the global account was created automatically when that local account was created." GoingBatty (talk) 03:52, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks 1IceCloudStation (talk) 03:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I have been here long enough to have a nice house icon at Special:CentralAuth/PrimeHunter. My account was created before the global account system. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Missing Search Button

I must have touched something by mistake, but the search button on the top right hand corner has gone missing, The is most annoying! Can anyone help. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MountVic127 (talk • contribs)

Hi MountVic127. The search box has moved to the top center in the new default skin Vector 2022. In narrow windows the box only appears when you click a magnifying glass icon. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:46, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Getting autoconfirmed with unattended requests

I have a few requests on Wikipedia for actions that autoconfirmed users can perform (for example: a semi-protected edit request on an userbox), and it's likely that one or more of them might not be reviewed by the time I become autoconfirmed. If this happens, what is the best practice to follow? For instance, in the example above, do I make the edit myself, and if so, how do I signal that the semi-protected edit request no longer applies? Alpha514 (talk) 22:10, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Alpha514! You can implement the edits yourself once you are autoconfirmed - just mark them by adding a note immediately after the request to say you have completed it yourself. I've handled your edit request at Template talk:User Assembly Language just now as well. Tollens (talk) 22:18, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I do not understand how to edit

Hello,

I am new to Wikipedia and although I've tried to read the edit page I really do not understand how to edit. The bot keeps erasing my edits and I don't know how to cite my references. Please help. Thanks. Microinthemorning (talk) 23:30, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Microinthemorning, here's what you added to an article: The consumption of muktuk has been associated with outbreaks of botulism. (Sorry but I don't know how to reference this and the help page does not help. The articles are listed in the talk page. Please help.) If you don't know how to add a reference to an addition to an article, don't make that addition. Instead, on the article's "talk" page and only there, suggest the addition. Which "help page" failed to help? And did you see Help:Referencing for beginners? -- Hoary (talk) 00:07, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

The sentence you added about botulism is now tagged with 'citation needed'. I recommend you practice creating refs in your Sandbox until properly formatted, then copy/paste into the article. David notMD (talk) 00:43, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism pattern found on Wikipedia and Fandom

I have noticed a strange pattern of vandalism on both this Old revision of List of The Smurfs video games and a few revisions of various unconnected websites on Fandom, made by various different IP addresses in the same range (I'm not sure whether I'm allowed to disclose IP ranges or not). One of its editing patterns is adding MD-XX vs, and MNT-XX (where XX is a number from 00 to 99). Alpha514 (talk) 02:56, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Alpha514: It seems like you already warned the IP, what exactly is your question or concern? We don't have much say in blocking IPs on other websites - Apmh 03:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Becoming better edior

How to become better editor? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 22:01, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Practice. Ask questions. Ask for help. Use the talk page to discuss disagreements. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:09, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

How i can practice editing wouldn't i be just nuisance if i do that? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 22:11, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Don't worry about being a nuisance. As long as you are attempting to be a good person and you are learning from your mistakes, you will be fine but don't be reckless. If you just want to start off with something smaller, look for a grammar mistake. ✶Mitch199811✶ 22:17, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

No, please don't look for grammar mistakes. Instead, help look for reliable sources that Wikipedia's very many under-referenced (or unreferenced) articles need. See Help:Referencing for beginners and the pages to which it links for how to use these sources. -- Hoary (talk) 22:45, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

But you can indeed look for grammar mistakes too. Apmh 22:52, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Considering this is the Teahouse, perhaps a bit of a bitter brew is in order: the way to not be a nuisance is to accept that sometimes, you are wrong, and other people are right. And just as you can ask others to help, they can also decline, and pressing is in poor taste. For example, a month ago on your user talk, someone cleaning some copyvios you made spent a lot of time explaining the rollbacks and why they couldn't restore your good edits: everyone here is a volunteer, time is our most valuable resource, so no one is entitled to anyone else's time. Generally, even if you disagree, it is better to accept someone's refusal than to keep insisting on your way. It indicates a willingness to hear and collaborate, which people tend to look kindly on. Call it confirmation bias, but a skim of your user talk [history] doesn't provide an abundance of evidence that you've changed...yet. Start today, and you may find your editing experience smoother. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 23:22, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Do you think that i shouldn't edit anymore? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 23:29, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia is your choice. Think about whether you find it enjoyable, the opportunity cost, and how much you wish to contribute to free knowledge (the ultimate goal of Wikipedia). Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Kind Attention to Wikipedia Adminstrators/contributors.

Moved from the Administrators' Noticeboard

 – ToBeFree (talk) 08:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I have seen a Wikipedia page that has lost its original look due to incorrect editing or formatting error made by an user @2402:8100:31be:2085:3580:ab14:395:622b on Wikipedia Page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddharthnagar_district Albert P Xavier (talk) 05:34, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

An editor had accidentally deleted a ] from the article's infobox. It's now been fixed. Maproom (talk) 08:24, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

How to get my article get reviewed fast.

I recently drafted an article on Foundation prayas and wanted to get it reviewed and want know know some suggestions to make it better and I also want some help to make it better by getting more citations and sources. It is difficult to search for sources alone. FakeFree (talk) 07:40, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello. FakeFree. There are two ways to get your draft article reviewed fast: First, write an outstanding, neutrally written, well-referenced policy compliant draft about an obviously notable topic. Such a draft will be reviewed fast and accepted. The second way is to write a non-neutral poorly-referenced, promotional draft about a non-notable topic. Such a draft will be reviewed fast and declined or rejected. Drafts that are borderline may take a much longer time to be reviewed. Do your very best to write the first type of draft. Cullen328 (talk) 07:52, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

FakeFree Do you have a particular need for a speedy review? There are thousands of drafts currently awaiting review, in no particular order, and a limited number of volunteers to conduct reviews. The only reason you can have to "jump the line" is to do as Cullen328 suggests. 331dot (talk) 08:15, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

there is no specific need of speedy review, just this is my first time making a article so i am a bit excited. FakeFree (talk) 08:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Foundation Prayas has been declined it is just blatant advertising, do you have a conflict of interest by any chance? Theroadislong (talk) 08:35, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

New wikipedians article rejections

Hi, I just joined yesterday and created an article on emergence of video games but editors found to tage speedy deletion can you suggest why my aticle isnt published Mehreen125 (talk) 08:49, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Mehreen125, actually it was your creation Draft:Mehreen Jamshed that was "speedily" deleted. It read like a "position wanted" ad. You've also created Draft:The Evolution of Video Game Design but haven't yet submitted it for review, let alone had it rejected or deleted. ¶ Suggestion: Get some practice improving and augmenting existing articles before attempting to create a new one. -- Hoary (talk) 09:42, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

thankyou for the suggestion I am now involved in editing existing articles. Can you share your experience how to create article what are my weak areas and where to focus more 2400:ADC5:168:B100:ACAB:DAB2:14B4:B22E (talk) 19:05, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Mehreen125, please log in as Mehreen125 before editing. I'll take the start of your (not yet submitted) draft as an example: The page provides an overview of the emergence of video game designs. Wikipedia articles don't comment on themselves. Video games belong to early ages of our lives. Not to mine (which predated them). But you probably meant "people's lives". From what I observe in the train, I'd say they belong to people aged ten or so to fifty or so. Of course I could be wrong, but I expect my wrongness to be demonstrated via the citation of reliable sources, and not just declared. we have built a relationship with them by enjoying ourselves with our friends, competing and winning with them. From what I observe, they're mostly player versus algorithm. But of course the pronouncements I make about video games "off the top of my head" are worthless. Where are the reliable sources? I don't provide any, but you don't either. This article will highlight the emergence of video games from the early ages to the advanced sophisticated video games today. Articles don't describe themselves. Which reliable sources call the games advanced or sophisticated? (My own impression is that they tend to be of bland characters with very big heads, jumping, firing weapons, blowing things up, and trying to avoid fire from weapons. Not quite In Search of Lost Time or Ulysses. My impressions are of course worthless, except that they do make me question what Wikipedia articles and drafts assert.) ¶ But more fundamentally, there's the matter that Shantavira brings up below: Wikipedia already deals with this subject (and Wikipedia doesn't accommodate "content forks"). -- Hoary (talk) 23:29, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Thankyou so much for such detailed description it had cleared many points. can you suggest a topic where I could start Mehreen125 (talk) 04:45, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Mehreen125, maybe read an article on a subject that you already know about, notice what seems to be a defect in that article, and then, using reliable sources (and not "common knowledge", "common sense" etc), fix that defect. -- Hoary (talk) 00:01, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I havedone, now I want to create an article please guide and suggest title Mehreen125 (talk) 08:41, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

It's really best to first gain experience by spending much time editing existing articles, not just one time, before attempting the very difficult task of creating a new article. This should be weeks if not months. Some people are here years before attempting to write a new article. If you first gain experience, you are more likely to succeed and less likely to experience disappointment and frustration. 331dot (talk) 08:44, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I would also point out that we already have numerous substantial articles on the history of video games. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:59, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Automatic citation tool is broken for arxiv

Since perhaps 3 days ago, citation tool became worse. It cannot be used to generate citation automatically from arxiv papers (for example, this paper one from 2016: https://arxiv.org/abs/1511.05067 ). It used to work for arxiv papers. pony in a strange land (talk) 07:50, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cosmia Nebula Welcome to the Teahouse. I think the best place to report a technical issue such as this is WP:VPT. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:04, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

How would you reference this...

[1]

Would you put it directly in the URL section rather than the Archive URL?

As I've tried putting it in the Archive URL section, without a URL, but apparently an original URL is needed.

Would you add Wayback Machine as the name of the website?

And where exactly would you put "The Times"? Would you put it in the same field as the title of the article?

Danstarr69 (talk) 16:11, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The archive only exists to preserve the content; it is not the author or owner of the content. You should not include the name of the website in the citation. The {{Cite news}} template has an archive_url parameter you should link the archive in. WPscatter ^t/_c 16:19, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

User:Wpscatter

First I tried to add it as a Website reference.

Then I tried to add it as a News reference.

Both of them want an original URL when I add the Archive URL, but there isn't an original URL.

Here's what it looks like:

Danstarr69 (talk) 16:34, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I believe archive URL is meant for if you got it off of something like the Wayback machine. In this case I would put The Times as a normal URL. ✶Mitch199811✶ 16:52, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Wpscatter or is this [2]https://newsuk1999ukenglish/Jan/07/1999,/The/Times,/

Or this [3]https://archive.org/details/NewsUK1999UKEnglish/Jan/07/1999,/The/Times,/

Classed as the "original" URL like the (help) bit at the end of the reference suggests. Danstarr69 (talk) 16:53, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

You would probably need to modify the first URL to make it correct (like adding a top-level domain), but yes, it would count as the original. I will see if I am able to help you find the original URL. ✶Mitch199811✶ 16:57, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Mitch199811 I don't think any exists.

I was looking for something else (the name of the actor who played a character called Alistair or Alastair in a film, where the credits are missing from the only copy online), when I stumbled across this story by the same filmmaker, so thought I'd use it to reference a few of the statements in his barely referenced article.

As far as I know, those PDF files for various The Times newspapers, have been uploaded directly to the Wayback Machine.

I know how to add normal references for websites which are now dead, but I've never added a added a reference for something directly added to the Wayback Machine before. Danstarr69 (talk) 17:08, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I would try my best to find the original URL. I am sorry, but I am not certain what to do if you cannot find the original URL. ✶Mitch199811✶ 17:21, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Danstarr69. Remember that a URL is not required for a reference (unless it's solely a web resource). {{Cite news |last=Allen |first=Carol |date=7 January 1999 |title=Tuned into the Angels of the North |pages=37 |work=[[The Times]] }}, generating is a complete and adequate citation.

I'm also not convinced that uploading a scan to the Internet Archive isn't a copyright violation: certainly it would be if you scanned and uploaded that paper somewhere. (Having said that, I realise that I don't know why the Internet Archive as a whole isn't a copyright violation, so there may be a get-out). If it is, then you must not link to it. If it's not a violation, then there is no reason not to use the url field point to this online copy of the resource, as exactly the same convenience to the reader as most url parameters. It may be hosted at the Internet Archive, but it is not an internet archive in the usual sense. --ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean by "internet archive in the usual sense"? Is it the case that "archive_url" is only meant to point to archives of internet pages? If that's the case, it explains why @Danstarr69 was having issues including that without a url parameter, and given the copyright concerns as well I would suggest leaving the archive link out completely. The reference is still perfectly valid without one. WPscatter ^t/_c 18:33, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree (in fact, that's more or less what I said). What I mean by "internet archive in the usual sense" is that the Wayback machine archives whatever it finds on the web: we trust that its archives are faithful copies of the original websites, whose reliability depends on their original publisher or host.

What we have here is somebody of unknown reliabilty uploading scans to the internet, and using the IA as the host. (I didn't know that was possible, but that's what we have). It seems to me then that we can treat neither the uploader nor the IA as a reliable source for it. Obviously, the Times is usually a reliable source, and I'm not seriously suggesting that the scan has been doctored; but in principle, that scan is not a reliable source. In a way, though, that is irrelevant, because it's not the scan that is cited even if it is linked, but the column in the newspaper. ColinFine (talk) 11:26, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

References

By the way, the copyright question I raised above is addressed in WP:Copyrights, where it says: The copyright status of Internet archives in the United States is unclear, however. It is currently acceptable to link to Internet archives such as the Wayback Machine, which host unmodified archived copies of webpages taken at various points in time. But it seems to me that that would not cover this case. I will ask on the talk page there. --ColinFine (talk) 11:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I've actually asked on the Help Desk. ColinFine (talk) 11:47, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

New articles

Probably an obvious question but… how do you come up with new articles? I know of WP:RA, and I've made a few articles off of red links, but I feel like I'd be more engaged if I thought up an idea for an article. Capsulecap ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:56, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

You might be interested in Women in Red, which has all sorts of lists of women's biographies that have not been created yet. That's where I go if I want to write a new article. Alternatively, most stubs only have a few sentences, meaning you're basically creating the article from scratch anyway, even if it's not technically through a "new article" process. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:22, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Capsulecap: good ideas can come from anywhere. Just make sure your subject meets the WP:NOTABILITY standard before you invest too much effort - the major way to do this is to gather all the best references first, and be sure that several of them are reliable, independent sources that cover the subject in depth. One place I have gone for ideas is the list of recent recipients of the Companion of the Order of Australia (I'm Australian - you might like to use the highest award in your own country). That still isn't an automatic qualification, but it's a good probability that the person is notable.Gronk Oz (talk) 05:23, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Capsulecap, and welcome to the Teahouse. I remember my early days of Wikipedia, when I was desperately trying to find a subject to add. It took me a while to realise that creating new articles is not the only way to contribute.

If you have a particular topic that you want to write about, fine. But if you are casting about for a subject, why not put that energy into improving some existing articles? We have lots, and huge numbers of them are in a bad way. ColinFine (talk) 12:16, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Want to write an article for an entreprenuer.

Hi, I want to write and article for a quite famous entrepreneur and influencer Prikshet Sharma. Haven't found any references in influencing in media except on YouTube. Haven't found any references in media about his entrepreneurship. Markodarko76 (talk) 04:47, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Markodarko76: I don't mean to sound disparaging, but how famous is he really if nothing has been written about him? In the absence of reliable sources, it is probably too soon to have an article about him.--Gronk Oz (talk) 05:28, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Markodarko. "Famous" does not necessarily mean notable in the way Wikipedia uses the word. If you can't find much published about him, then he probably does not meet the criteria. ColinFine (talk) 12:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I am trying to prepare a page for Mr. SM Zakaria

I am trying to prepare a page for Mr. SM Zakaria 103.234.26.33 (talk) 08:25, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Your history of contributions shows no evidence of a draft (perhaps under a different IP). Recommended path is create an account and follow guidelines at WP:YFA to create and submit a referenced draft. David notMD (talk) 09:37, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

See WP:GNG. No good sources, no article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:51, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your choice of words suggests that you may have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. When you say "prepare a page for", a better characterization would be "write an encyclopaedia article about". This may seem picky, but it often makes a significant difference for new editors. What the activity would consist of would be:

1. Finding several reliably published sources

wholly unconnected with him (nothing written or published by him or his associates, or based on interviews or press releases) that contain significant coverage of him. If you can't find any, you'll know not to spend any further time, as no article is possible

1. Writing a draft based on what those sources say, not on what he or his associates say or want to say. (If you are associated with him, this may involved forgetting what you know. It may also involve reporting information or views about him that you deeply disagree with)

Remember that an article about him will not belong to him, or be for his benefit, except incidentally: see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 12:29, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

How to apply to The Wikipedia Library

The Wikipedia Library used to have simple on-wiki applications for its offerings. Now it doesn't. I've read about 10 of TWL pages and nowhere do they now give any instructions of how to apply, whether generally or for specific publications. Can someone help me? I'm interested in databases such as Newspapers.com, The Times Digital Archive, NewspaperARCHIVE.com, JSTOR, etc. How do I apply for those and others? Softlavender (talk) 22:16, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Softlavender, you should be able to go to https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/ and click "Login via Wikipedia", follow the login flow, and have access to many sites from there (ebsco, proquest, and JSTOR are probably the most useful part of the default set. Others can be applied for from there.) Assuming your account meets the requirements lists there, but I think it does? In general you need to click to databases from the Library. Does that work or are you getting particular errors? Skynxnex (talk) 23:07, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Skynxnex, I'm already signed in there via Wikipedia. I find I can access the Gale library, but I cannot view any newspaper pages on Newspapers.com. At the link I am simply offered a 7 days free trial. Softlavender (talk) 23:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah sorry I misread your question. From https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/users/my_library/ click on the "Available Collections" search facet near the top. And then "apply" for the ones you want. For newspapers.com specifically, I recall when I asked for newspapers.com access about 9 months ago, you needed to share an existing newspapers.com account, but I recall it being documented. Skynxnex (talk) 23:30, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Skynxnex, for some reason Newspapers.com is not among the list of "Available Collections" that come up for me. Softlavender (talk) 00:47, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Maybe check out Phabricator: T322916 as something that seems vaguely similar but probably not?

I think that https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/26/ is the direct link to TWL listing for newspapers.com so I'm curious what it shows for you. Skynxnex (talk) 01:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@Softlavender When I access my Library account via the standard link, I can see a "Service information" button below the listing for Newspapers.com that confirms that there is an issue at present being worked on at T322916, as Skynxnex thought. I see you are asking about progress at WT:The Wikipedia Library, which is the best place for detailed answers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:40, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Minimum length for GA

I plan on soon improving my first article to GA. I'll start with something small and manageable, but WP:GA? mentions nothing about minimum length. As an example, take Bull (pharaoh). It stands little chance of being meaningfully expanded by its very nature. I could add some stuff, clarify the references etc., but it won't dramatically expand. Does the article of His Oxness, Bull the Majestic, stand any hope of ever becoming GA? 〜 Festucalex • talk 18:59, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Maybe, there are good articles like this one: Friedrichshafen FF.1 Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 13:30, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@Festucalex You might like to look at WP:RECORDS, which shows that the current smallest GA is Ýdalir at 3,581 bytes, less than the current length of the one you mentioned. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:47, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

"Date accessed" when archiving a source

Hi all!

I just updated a depreciated link in George M. Fredrickson (ref number 7, the Stanford obit.). I used H:AAS, so I think I did everything right. My question is should I update the "access-date" field in the reference to today's date, or is it proper to leave it as the original access date (2018/11/9)? Thanks!

Gallium314 (talk) 15:33, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

@gallium314: do update the access date. lettherebedarklight晚安 16:08, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Gallium314. I'm not convinced an access-date is needed once an archived version is used, since Template:cite web (for example) says of access-date: Not required for linked documents that do not change, and an archived version won't change. However, the examples there all do use access-date as well as archive-date, so I guess you should keep it - and, assuming you've verified that the archived version does support the relevant claim, you should update the access-date. ColinFine (talk) 16:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I have to disagree with Lettherebedarklight. In your position, I would put as access-date the date at which the archiving service got a snapshot of the reference (in the case at hand, 2022-07-24), or failing that, not change it at all. I do not think it is proper to give today’s date (2023-06-09), because the original link is down (at least for me), and therefore you did not really access it.

The argument for changing it to 2022-07-24 is that the Internet Archive allows you to access the reference as it was on that date. The argument against is that the Internet Archive might be lying about that (sounds unlikely, but I don’t know it for sure). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:15, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

that's... not how access-date works. lettherebedarklight晚安 16:16, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

This time I agree with darklight, Tigraan. It is not important when it was published or when it changed, or even when it was archived, except to allow the reader to find a version which supports the claimed data. Every time an editor checks that the link still supports the data, they should update the access date. My argument is that the version archived on archive-date will not change, so access-date is not needed; but I can see value in setting the access-date to the date when the archived version was put in the citation, as that amounts to an assertion that the editor adding the archived version in question has checked that it supports the text. ColinFine (talk) 18:01, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I would generally agree with this, although personally I don't consider the use of |access-date= to be necessary when |archive-date= is populated. XAM2175 ^(T) 15:26, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Are mortal Kombat mileena and Kitana sisters

Well yes because in mortal Kombat when Melina and kitana fight, Melina says sweet, sweet sister. 66.74.83.124 (talk) 07:36, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

The Teahouse is a place for asking questions about editing Wikipedia, not for asking questions about characters in a 30 year old video game franchise. Do you have any questions about editing Wikipedia? Cullen328 (talk) 07:41, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Seems like you answered the question for yourself. I would also like to say that the Teahouse is only for questions relating to Wikipedia. If you would like to ask a question about topics not related to Wikipedia, you can try the reference desk. Capsulecap ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:37, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Fair use image upload

Can anyone explain me how to upload fair use images on Wikimedia commons. Harry S Truman72 (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

You cant upload fair use images on wikimedia commons, see more here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Fair_use Notrealname1234 (talk) 14:08, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Harry S Truman72 You can only upload fair use images (per en-WP rules) on en-WP. Go to WP:FUW and chose "Upload a non-free file". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:46, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

A Reference Library from Internet Archive

Hi. I am specializing in World War I, and I was wondering if I could publish a "Reference Library for World War I" on Wikipedia that lists all important books found on "The Internet Archive." Here's their link: https://archive.org/ Having online resources like this allows Wikipedia to blow away any print resource, like the Encyclopedia Britannica. Thanks. Lord Milner (talk) 15:36, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Not in mainspace, but you can put one in your userspace, if you think it will help with your editing. Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history may have something you find interesting. See also Template:Refideas. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:02, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

@Lord Milner: There's already Bibliography of World War I, which you could improve if needed. GoingBatty (talk) 18:57, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I have a secret stash right here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:War_Policy_Committee

Every one is connected to the Internet Archive, so they can be brought online, read & used. Just go to achive.org, and create a free account. I looked over your WW I library, and I think many (at least half) of the books listed might be accessed from IA. The only issue here is Wikipedia's policy on third party links. This is a super stable platform, the cite was created by a grant from a millionaire, and it's intent is to scan and load all books of mankind. It's based in San Francisco, and a bunch of Chinese girls do all the work. I don't know (or care) where all these books come from, but I'm sure they cleaned out the San Francisco public library. The point is, there is a tremendous amount of old material loaded, and Wikipedia would be doing a great service if it officially sanctioned it. 🙂 Lord Milner (talk) 21:22, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

@Lord Milner, Bibliography of World War I is already an article in mainspace, not that user's "WW I library". You are free to add links to the IA works to that article, as indeed has already happened to some of the books listed there. Similarly, if you have found IA works that are not listed, you could add them too. We just have to be careful not to cross into territory disclaimed by WP:NOTDIRECTORY.

On the other I would consider your "secret stash" at Talk:War Policy Committee to be improper, as hosting a collection of references that aren't necessarily of use to that article is not the purpose of a talkpage. You should move it to a page in your own userspace, like User:Lord Milner/World War I Sources, or see if members at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history can identify somewhere else appropriate.

Also, when linking to an IA work that the user needs to borrow (as opposed to one that is unrestricted), make sure you use the |url-access=registration parameter to indicate that fact to readers. XAM2175 ^(T) 15:42, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll do that.😏 Lord Milner (talk) 16:04, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

TonyHD

Hi can anyone please help me finish this article. Draft:TonyHD BloomChef (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, BloomChef, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that it's unlikely anybody here is going to "help you finish the article", because (like most new editors who try to create articles) you have written it WP:BACKWARD, so the task is not "finishing" it, but starting from the beginning again. ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Limited pronouns in settings

Hello everyone! I am ready to start editing and have made a few small adjustments to my personal settings but noticed that the pronouns to choose from are quite limited (to masculine he/him, feminine she/her, and they/them). Is there an option that would be more inclusive of everyone? Bincturd (hy/hym) (talk) 04:25, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@bincturd: they/them is the inclusive option. neopronouns are not coded into wikipedia. lettherebedarklight晚安 06:59, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bincturd, I don't know the technical details but there has been some discussion at Phabricator: T61643 (closed as declined several years ago but duplicate tickets have been associated with it), which is the ticketing system for MediaWiki in general. That ticket is closed but it has some far-past and recent history of the question issue. My impression, and I may be wrong, that the software itself is limited to three gender options that particular instances (like English Wikipedia, German, Japanese, etc) could customize how they like. So I am not saying this the right tract, but the discussion may need to be figuring out how to gain enough general supporting to extend MediaWiki (the actual software that runs Wikipedia) to support more gender options. Hopefully someone with more current experience in this topic as it relates to MediaWiki will also chime in. Skynxnex (talk) 20:27, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

well, op blocked as sock... lettherebedarklight晚安 16:57, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Showing "et al." using sfn

Hello teahouse! I am working on the Charm quark article. I am citing a lot of academic journal articles using sfn. Many of the journals have multiple authors.

I am looking for a good way to make proper in-line citations. Suppose I have this article:

• Aad, G.; et al. (ATLAS Collaboration) (2022). "Direct constraint on the Higgs–charm coupling from a search for Higgs boson decays into charm quarks with the ATLAS detector". Eur. Phys. J. C. 82 (717): 717. arXiv:2201.11428. Bibcode:2022EPJC...82..717A. doi:10.1140/epjc/s10052-022-10588-3. S2CID 251688816.

If I do {{sfn|Aad|2022}}, the footnote will say "Aad 2022", but I want "Aad et al. 2022". What should I do?

Rightnow (as in the article), I am putting 4+ authors in the citation and sfn, so the sfn automatically uses "et al." This feels not right. There must be some better way doing this. --TheLonelyPather (talk) 14:23, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

In the full citation, add |ref={{harvid|Aad et al.|2022}}, after which you'll then be able to call it with {{sfn|Aad et al.|2022}} This is also how you'd do it to cite works by title or publisher (for example, |ref={{harvid|Anonymous Work|2023}} could be called by {{sfn|''Anonymous Work''|2022}} to produce "Anonymous Work 2023").

As an aside, I would lose the |page=717 parameter from this particular citation, as placing the paper number in the issue field is (in my opinion) enough. XAM2175 ^(T) 14:48, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, user:XAM2175! This is extremely helpful. By the way, I mistyped the citation, so thank you for catching that as well. TheLonelyPather (talk) 15:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome! XAM2175 ^(T) 15:27, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I want a signature like you have? Can I make one just like that? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:36, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

XAM2175 Iljhgtn (talk) 18:37, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

RAndom pages

I am clicking on the "random pages" page, but lots of those pages appear to be fine. How do i find good pges that have the banners (or whatever they are called) up top that need lots of work? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:26, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@iljhgtn: see here for a lot of categories of articles that have issues. lettherebedarklight晚安 18:29, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Awesomesauce. Are there other areas too? Is that everything? There is a lot there too, so any suggestions on areas to focus on.!? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:41, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Do we triage these things at all in for most important and not as needed? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:42, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: Welcome, and thanks for wanting to help. See Wikipedia:Task_Center for ideas on how to help with cleanup. RudolfRed (talk) 18:37, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks leatherbeark and rudolf red. I like those ideas and just bookmarked both of them on my PC. Iljhgtn (talk) 18:38, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

edit summaries

Are "edit summaries" required? I am just finding it useful to go to "random pages" and add or remove "wikilinks" as needed. Do I need to leave an edit summary for that or for other "minor edits"? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:48, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@iljhgtn: not required, but highly recommended. lettherebedarklight晚安 18:54, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Where are the rules listed for this whole thing Iljhgtn (talk) 19:00, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn, due to the nature of this website, we have A LOT of rules and guidance. WP:TUTORIAL is a start. It's fine to be WP:BOLD, but if someone objects, you should WP:COMMUNICATE. WP is a learning by doing place. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:41, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

lots of abbreviations too, is WP "wikipedia"? Iljhgtn (talk) 19:42, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn Oh yes, we love those. Yep, around here it is. If I mean Washington Post I type WaPo. And if you wonder something like "What is hotcat", try searching wp:hotcat. On gadgets, I recommend WP:TWINKLE, but you have to wait a few days. If you stick around and edit, you'll get access to the WP:LIBRARY. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:52, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

hotcat, twinkle, what silly names lol Iljhgtn (talk) 19:53, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Remove category added by userbox

I'd like to use the userbox {{User Genderqueer}} on my userpage, but it automatically adds me to Category:Non-binary Wikipedians, which I don't want. How can I remove the category while keeping the userbox? Suntooooth, he/him (talk/contribs) 20:33, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Suntooooth: It looks like you can use "|nocat=true" with the template to have it not add the catagories. RudolfRed (talk) 20:44, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

That worked, thanks very much! Suntooooth, he/him (talk/contribs) 20:45, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Led Belly re: stay woke

Hi, I cannot edit "woke" with Wikipedia. I think the information of how the word came about should be detailed more. In this article, it mentions the Led Belly song refers to stay woke because nine black men were accused of racing two white women. The whole article is interesting. I hope someone can get help with this trending word where most do not really know why the word was created. It is important. Better yet, update Led Belly's info with this link to the article. Most dont know what an inspiration he is. Thank you! https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/06/09/woke-meaning-history-beyond-republican-culture-war-lead-belly/70300770007/ 2600:1010:A020:187E:40DB:5C50:A638:1E22 (talk) 20:05, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have suggestions for improving an article, that article's talk page is the place to make them. Please note that all information should be backed up by a reliable source; but an opinion piece is by definition somebody's opinion and so is not usually suitable as a source. (It is possible that she cites some reliable sources that could be used - I haven't watched the video).

Note also that informing people "what an inspiration he is" is specifically not part of the function of Wikipedia: that would be regarded as soapboxing. A Wikipedia article may quote a reliable source saying "XYZ is an inspiration", but must not say any such thing in Wikipedia's voice. ColinFine (talk) 22:00, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

found error and missing articles regarding "dragonlance" - what to do?

I tried submitting this page and got rejected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dragonlance_Saga_(graphic_Novel) for it being unreliable not informative enough or some such.

I'm simply trying to fix some mistakes regarding the comics / graphic novel publication of the dragonlance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonlance) stories which I listed here:

As it turns out, there were 3 different publications with that name, as my draft details: 1. Dragonlance Saga - a TSR Graphic Novel (1987) by Roy Thomas 2. Dragonlance Comics - by DC comics 3. Dragonlance chronicles - by DDP (Devil's Due Publication) ocmis The only exiting wikipedia entry is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonlance_(comics) which leads not to the original publications form 1987 by TSR, but rather to a DC comics spin-off. Moreover, in the wiki page for the writer of the 1987 publication, Roy Thomas here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Thomas - has an error. the link to the dragonlance comic in the references of that page, redirects the above Dragonlance_(comics) page - which wasn't written by him at all. In addition, the Dragonlance comics publication from 2005 by DDP (Devil's Due Publications - when the property was no longer TSR but purchased by Wizards of The Coast / Hasbro) is not mentioned anywhere on wikipedia. I'm not really a comics expert, I just happened to notice these errors and inaccuracies and wanted to create some simple page for the saga publication so i can fix the erroneous ref at the Roy Thomas page, and also create links to the DC publication existing page and to the non-existing page for the DDP publication, in hope someone else will come along and expand them in the future.

To make matter poorer, the main dragonlance article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonlance) doesn't mention to any of the comics publications.

As stated before, I would like to put up minimal articles / pages, just so it is understood there were multiple publications - in hopes that someone else comes along in the future and expands on them.

what do you think I should do and how to go about it? Robot55 (talk) 20:41, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Robot55, and welcome to the Teahouse. We don't really do "minimal articles" now - we used to create stubs as placeholders, and there are plenty still around, but reviewers and new page patrollers don't tend to accept them into the encyclopaedia any more. An article should be properly referenced or not included.

What you could do, provided you can cite a reliable source, is to add a paragraph to the Dragonlance or Dragonlance (comics) article explaining that there was a separate publication. Maybe it would be best to discuss the issue on the talk page of one of those articles first, and get agreement from other editors. ColinFine (talk) 22:17, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

When to and not to redirect piped links?

I recently visited https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatorial_game_theory, and when it listed examples of some combinatorial games, listing Chess, Checkers and Go, Checkers was actually referenced as [[Draughts|checkers]] and Go was referenced as [[Go (board game)|Go]]. Those articles are actually called Checkers and Go (game) respectively. Under WP:NOTBROKEN, should I change them to straight up remove the pipe? To clarify, I find that since the article is just Checkers, which is what you end up reading, that we can remove the pipe, and for Go, we can change the pipe to remove the redirect, as we don't see Go (board game) anyway. (This is a general question, by the way.) Thanks! TwoCanadians (talk) 21:57, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, TwoCanadians, you are very welcome to correct "[[Draughts|checkers]]" and "[[Go (board game)|Go]]" to "[[checkers]]" and "[[Go (game)|go]]". If a redirect goes via a roundabout route (or worse), fix it. -- Hoary (talk) 23:52, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me! I will probably use it often. TwoCanadians (talk) 23:55, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

TwoCanadians, I expressed myself poorly. I should have said "if a piped link takes readers who click on it via a roundabout route (or worse)". But since I mentioned fixing redirects, let's take a quick look at those. As a humdrum example, [[Mark (name)]] currently redirects to [[Mark]]. Nothing wrong with this; but if there were, and if you wanted to edit the former, then you'd click on Mark (name), arrive at Mark, and, very near the top of the latter, read "(Redirected from Mark (name))". Clicking on the latter would take you to the redirect (and not to the target of the redirect). You could then edit the redirect, just as you'd edit a regular article. -- Hoary (talk) 00:44, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying! Funny thing is, I just checked that redirect, and it actually redirects to Mark#Names, which no longer exists, creating a new question that I'd like to ask about: now that I've checked what the section wanted to take you to, and I understand why the person removed did remove it (there was already a list of notable people with the name Mark in Mark (given name), should I change the redirect to take you to Mark, as that is what it takes you to now (since there isn't any Names section), should I take it to the section that had Names in it, that being people, or should I take it to the list of names in Mark (given name)? Nice way to hit two birds with one stone with that example actually necessitating a fix. TwoCanadians (talk) 01:10, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@TwoCanadians: I changed Mark (name) to redirect to Mark#People, which contains links to both Mark (given name) and Mark (surname). I also added {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} to Mark (name). GoingBatty (talk) 01:19, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

So it's the second one then. Thanks! TwoCanadians (talk) 01:21, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Would it be appropriate for me to upload a chart explaining the views of a white nationalist to wikimedia commons?

For purposes of debunking them in a different community I have made an image explaining views of an antisemite (according to the ADL) and I think it might be helpful to upload it to wikimedia commons. The image is a fairly dense explanatory image which explains hateful ideas and does not debunk them so I'm afraid an unknowing person might come across it and take it at face value instead of criticizing the ideas there. Is there a way I can upload it appropriately or a protocol for this kind of image? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 01:21, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Immanuelle, somebody wondering about something related to Wikimedia Commons should ask about it at Wikimedia Commons. -- Hoary (talk) 01:39, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Gadgets and things.

What are some good gadgets and things for a new user to select? I have been searching the menu and seeing what to add. What is ""Hotcat""?

For edit summaries, there seems to bea gadget that allows to you pick from a menu of edit summaries to leave. Is that one that is popular too? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Iljhgtn, for "Hotcat", see Wikipedia:HotCat. I haven't heard of "a gadget that allows to you pick from a menu of edit summaries to leave". -- Hoary (talk) 23:32, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

i dont know if is officially a gadget or if it is just something on the list of things you can select. My edit summaries are all from that drop down menu. you can let me know if youu think they are acceptable or not?? Iljhgtn (talk) 02:09, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

default edit summary

is there a way to make a default edit summary auto-fill, if you make a lot of the same type of edit back to back? Iljhgtn (talk) 19:09, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Iljhgtn, welcome to the Teahouse. If you start typing an edit summary, previous summaries you have used should be listed. If you click on the previous summary you want, you can "kind of" autofill. Hope that helps, Schminnte (talk • contribs) 19:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

that is helpful, but there is no automatic setting? Iljhgtn (talk) 19:22, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

No. And this lack may be a good thing, if it nudges editors toward thinking about what they're doing. -- Hoary (talk) 23:33, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

thinking is good i think Iljhgtn (talk) 02:09, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Publishing a draft

Hello! I just wanted to ask of how can I publish a draft once I'm done? The Wikipedia:Draft isn't helping me much and doesn't give much instructions. Can someone please give me instructions? That would be very nice. Thanks! DonGerardAngelo (talk) 02:22, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Put in template {{ACF Draft}} and click submit and it will be put in a queue. If you link the draft you were working on, I can add it for you. ✶Mitch199811✶ 02:40, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

On what template? Sorry I'm a little confused today. DonGerardAngelo (talk) 03:05, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

No worries! If you copy that template with the squiggly brackets into the draft, then it will make a box that gives some details about the draft, warnings, and a button to submit it. ✶Mitch199811✶ 03:07, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the instructions! Now I can finally publish my draft. DonGerardAngelo (talk) 03:09, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome! Next time, you might want to use the article wizard as it sets up a lot of the stuff for you. ✶Mitch199811✶ 03:23, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

IP needs help starting deletion review

Hello, I need help adding a deletion review at WP:DRV (I am an IP so I cannot do it).

The AfD is Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Incels.is.

I wanted to open a Deletion Review because I made substantial improvements (×4 size, more sources, create source eval table) to the article, but the closer closed the discussion quickly before any additional reply was made (post-article improvement). So there was no consensus and no quorum.

More importantly, the closure message did not mention any policy or guideline rather treated the situation only as a "tiring discussion". He stated that was a no consensus, but he didn't set the outcome to that, because some people did not want the article kept. The outcome should've been "no consensus", per a modicum of procedure. (And notability and merge guidelines point obviously to keep anyways.)

(Please paste my initial message as the above, because I will not be able to contribute further) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:48F8:3004:FC4:48EA:35CE:A536:B342 (talk) 02:04, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

You could ask one of the people who !voted against deletion to initiate it for you, although the actual deletion review might need to notify everyone involved in the same manner to avoid WP:CANVASS, or you could create an account and become autoconfirmed and do it yourself. You could also, perhaps in combination with creating an account, request that an admin help you recover your version of the article and recreate it at Draft:Incels.is and have it reviewed there.

I went into this thinking there would not be enough reliable sources, but there are at least several primary sources in addition to passing mention in secondary sources. On the other hand, I don't see any particular need for a separate article from Incel, when a section would do fine. How long was your version of the article? This is going to be a distasteful topic to most or nearly all editors so I wouldn't expect a deletion review to gain much traction, especially seeing as rather than being primarily informative the primary outcome of such an article seems to be to promote and direct traffic to this site, which is not a desirable outcome. It verges on a kind of spam. —DIYeditor (talk) 02:11, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Anyone can start a deletion review on behalf of anyone (quoting the message), since it's the same process for starting XfD. (Canvassing only applies if there is a discussion going on.)

I cannot make a new account since I am WP:EWLO. It would be a great help for some one to initiate it for me. Also, I think it is reasonable to do DRV because the decision was very unprocedural.

Why not log in and create the DRV? RudolfRed (talk) 03:19, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

As for the sources, if you take a look, all of them have the site as the primary subject. That is a pretty extraordinary case of notability, especially for a website. @DIYeditor:2001:48F8:3004:FC4:48EA:35CE:A536:B342 (talk) 02:28, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Once there is a discussion going on (deletion review), you will have notified one participant based on them presumably agreeing with you, which would necessitate in my opinion notifying everyone else involved in it including the closer. Just asking someone or several specific people to initiate it for you would not be canvassing though on its own.

Yes, some sources are there, primary sources mostly, about the website specifically, also some passing mention in secondary sources as I said. It doesn't scream to me as something that needs a separate article though, it's just a subtopic of incels. There is nothing distinct about it as a topic and personally I am not going to do anything that would give more exposure to the site's address like having a Wikipedia article would do (not that I am expert in SEO). Other objectionable websites usually have a name other than the address at least, so our coverage is primarily informative.

All that said, this discussion is not the purpose of Teahouse so I will leave that for any actual deletion review or draft review I may notice, where I will say what I have said here. —DIYeditor (talk) 02:58, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Let's start an AfD for aliexpress.com together. It sells fire hazards so it doesn't deserve publicity. 2001:48F8:3004:FC4:48EA:35CE:A536:B342 (talk) 03:04, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Like I said, the article is named "AliExpress", aliexpress.com is just a redirect, and it is a major ecommerce site, not an obscure hate/cringe/whatever site which would be mentioned by its exact address. Stormfront is not located at "stormfront.org". Again, I'm not an expert in SEO, but this raises some alarms for me, when the Incel article is a perfectly good home for discussion of the site. —DIYeditor (talk) 03:23, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

The point I made was to split it since it was too large and the site itself is the sole subject of 3 academic papers, 2 think tank reports, 5+ media articles. If anything, leaving it on the incel article will give it more publicity. "incels.is" is not a very popular search term, while "incel" is. And keeping it here is more useful to people who are researching the site (there are many), rather looking at these sources that have been painted over as vaguely being about incel in general and absolute terms. Anyways, I will not continue to write my opinion here. 2001:48F8:3004:FC4:48EA:35CE:A536:B342 (talk) 04:08, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Copy editing

A lot of pages I try to edit are usually too hard or too minor. Most of the time it doesn't include copy editing. How do I find pages that are just right for me to edit?

Link Eeeeeeeee465 (talk) 02:41, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse! Am I correct in understanding that you're looking for articles to copy edit? If so you can check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. WPscatter ^t/_c 03:11, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Eeeeeeeee465: We can't actually see your suggested edits page but I can say that editing topics you personally like is much easier. There are also even more things you can do outside of articles like participating in discussions such as requested moves or reverting vandalism - Apmh 03:12, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Eeeeeeeee465: to pick up on Apmh's point about topics you like - let's look at how you can find lots of such articles. Imagine that an editor is interested in basketball (you may or may not be, but follow along the example). Look at any article related to basketball, say Basketball. You will see the link to its associated Talk page; click on that. On the Talk page, you will see that this article is related to several "Wikiprojects", including WikiProject Basketball and WikiProject Sports. If you follow the link to WikiProject Basketball, you will see a couple of parts of interest. First, you can add your name to the interested editors. Second, there is a To Do list. There is a list of "Cleanup articles" that need work, including basketball-related "stub" articles. Plenty of stuff here to keep any basketball fan busy, at all different levels of editing complexity. Of course, if you are interested in different topics, many of them have WikiProjects as well. Hope this helps.--Gronk Oz (talk) 04:34, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for giving me advice. Eeeeeeeee465 (talk) 05:17, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Review and publish help

Hi, Please help me in publishing the article Draft:Manoj Bharathy What details I have add more. Jigar1984 (talk) 06:30, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Jigar1984, you are asked to demonstrate significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. As your subject is an "Indian Journalist and writer known for his extensive career in the media industry" since 1993, I'd expect to see such coverage on the web. Here, in this thread, provide links to the three best sources. -- Hoary (talk) 07:39, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Review Article in Sandbox

Can someone review my article? It’s still located in Amaramoore/sandbox. Please let me know what corrections are needed. Thank you :) Amaramoore (talk) 15:43, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@amaramoore: put {{subst:sumbit}} at the top of your draft to send it for review. lettherebedarklight晚安 15:57, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Amaramoore (talk) 16:40, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I also have another question. Would a screenshot of an approval/permission to use an image be sufficient so there would be no copyright infringement? Amaramoore (talk) 02:43, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Amaramoore. I don't think it would. A screenshot really isn't evidence of anything. The copyright holder has to announce either publicly (eg on their website), or directly to WMF, that they have licensed the image appropriately. See donating copyright materials.

Note that the presence or absence of an image has no effect on whether a draft is accepted . ColinFine (talk) 10:22, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Remove Template Procedure

Hi everyone, there's a wiki article i've been working on that had a template which asked for users/editors to add new references to secondary sources on a page.

Now that I've done that, can I remove the template myself or will another user/editor need to do it themselves or give their approval before I can remove the template? Shehandd (talk) 04:58, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! If you feel confident that the template no longer applies to the page, feel free to remove it. Just be careful though, as some editors get into the habit of removing templates without sufficiently addressing the problem. There are some exceptions when it comes to deletion or proposed mergers, but all maintenance templates can be removed. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 05:08, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

To add to what JML1148 says, make sure you give an edit summary explaining why you think it is appropriate to remove the tag. ColinFine (talk) 10:33, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Where do I find my deleted draft?

Hi, I drafted an article in my Sandbox that I sent for approval. The article was revised and then deleted, and now I cannot find my draft. I would like to improve the content to meet Wikipedia requirements. Krimed (talk) 11:22, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Krimed Please read the comment on your User Talk Page. The Draft:Global Campaign Against Headache was deleted and cannot be retrieved since it was a copyright violation. You may start again with a draft that avoids using copyright material. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:27, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I strongly recommend you read Help:Your first article first. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:48, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Navboxes

Regarding MOS:LAYOUTNAV, is there a policy about which navboxes should be included? Is there a requirement for having a link to the current article in a particular navbox? PhotographyEdits (talk) 09:44, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! WP:NAVBOX might have more information regarding this. (There's a wikilink to the page on MOS:LAYOUTNAV.) Hope that helps! ContributeToTheWiki (talk • contribs) 10:26, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@PhotographyEdits WP:BIDI covers the second part of your question, with answer "Yes". Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:24, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thanks! PhotographyEdits (talk) 14:12, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

article to be deleted

I do not have this thing called twinkle tool yet, so i am asking here to have a page deleted that i came across when exploring the random articles..

Manatí Sugar Company

it looks to not be good enough for wikipedia. if i am right, then please nominate it for deletion, since i do not have twinkle tool. which is what i think i need to nominate. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:12, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello again Iljhgtn. You don't need Twinkle to nominate for deletion, but it makes it easier. You can find the different types of deletion, and how to nominate or propose, at Deletion.

But before deletion you should usually perform WP:Before. Apart from cases of copyright violation, or blatant and irrecoverable promotion, an article doesn't get deleted just because there isn't enough in it, or because it fails to establish that the subject is notable: deletion requires that the subject not be notable, and that may take some research to establish. The article cited in that stub is almost certainly not enough on its own to establish that the company met Wikipedia's criteria for notability, but that doesn't mean that other resources don't exist - quite possibly not online. ColinFine (talk) 14:46, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Why are my sources not reliable?

I am not sure which sources are specifically being deemed 'unreliable' and would appreciate some more specific feedback. Tachycardia512 (talk) 17:22, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Tachycardia512, and welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at your draft, I don't really think the issue is so much with the sources being unreliable as it is that the content on the page does not appear to be supported by the sources provided. Inline citations are extremely helpful to reviewers (though not explicitly required) in verifying the article. From what I can see, the only source supporting content other than university statistics such as ranking, job retention rate, etc. is ref 3 (a self-published source, which is generally frowned upon), which definitely does not support the entirety of the rest of the article. It seems possible that you may have written the article backward, writing the text of the article first and looking for sources afterward - this is extremely difficult to do. Finding sources first, then writing the article using only those sources, is often much easier and guarantees that the article is well-supported. For more information on reliable sources, you may want to read the reliable sources policy. Tollens (talk) 17:40, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

What constitutes an article as reading like an advertisement?

Is it certain language? Is it the length? The quote included? Tachycardia512 (talk) 17:23, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't believe the issue is any of the things you suggest, but rather the particular content of the article. Honestly, it's difficult for me to explain exactly why the article reads like an advertisement (though if others can point to more specific things please do) - I would suggest reading the articles on some other universities for examples. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not the university's website, and so readers will likely not be looking for the same things that would be located there. As an example, the programs section is currently much longer than the history section - while I might want to know about the programs offered in detail if I was reading the university's website, I am much more likely to be looking for history in an encyclopedia. The same general issue also goes for the accreditation, admissions, and student life sections. If you are in any way affiliated with the university, please read the conflict of interest guideline before continuing further, and if you are being paid to edit in any way, you must disclose your employer/client (see here for how to do this). Tollens (talk) 17:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tachycardia512: Fellow AfC reviewer here - it does in fact read like one big advertisement and will likely need a rewrite. For example, "The name Joyce embodies who we are collectively and captures our mission and values", along with other quotes, adds no information to the topic. However, this is not the only problem; your draft has no inline citations. It is heavily underreferenced given its sheer length. You may want to read the Wikipedia help articles Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Help:Referencing for beginners. Apmh 18:06, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

A few examples:

• "Joyce University offers"
• "Students at Joyce University will experience"
• "The job placement rate for Joyce University students (2021-2022) is 93%."

Language like this gives the strong impression that this text is meant to "sell" the school. It sounds what I'd expect the school website to sound like. But a larger problem is the complete lack of inline refs. WP:BACKWARD may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tachycardia, and welcome to the Teahouse. A thing to remember is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If you find yourself writing something that the University has said, or might say, stop and ask, "Has some unconnected with the university said this?" If the answer is No, leave it out - it doesn't belong in the article. ColinFine (talk) 19:05, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

As a general rule, anything about the "mission" or "values" (or "vision") of an entity is completely unencyclopedic. The world does not care about anybody's mission statement; it is empty verbiage of no value to anyone. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 00:10, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

When does WP:NOTCATALOG apply?

List of Amkette products was deleted because it was deemed to be an unencyclopedic list. My deletion of the list of publications in Kōjien was reverted twice by different editors claiming that software had decided that my edit was vandalism, even though I included a detailed edit summary (twice). My question about deleting a long list of publications in Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary has gone unanswered. It seems to me that in all three cases WP:NOTCATALOG applies. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 20:45, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree with the WP:NOTCATALOG argument on both articles, although somewhat notable publications may need to remain on the page. Talk pages these days tend to be barren and rarely-viewed, so it is usually preferred to first make the edit you want (bold-revert-discuss). For Kojien I would start a discussion on the talk page pinging the editors who reverted you, to hopefully meet a consensus. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 20:53, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Kōjien "Is A Thing". It's a Japanese(–Japanese) dictionary. It's long established, very well known, and widely respected. It's notable. Because of all of this, it wouldn't be surprising if its publisher (Iwanami) also attached the Kōjien name to different lexicographic products; if it did, then whether these should belong to the same article would be debatable. People have used Kōjien for decades; and when they've bothered to credit it they've usually done so as plain Kōjien. A list of which edition came out when, preferable with a descriptions showing how these differed from each other, could be very helpful for somebody wanting to know about Kōjien. So I'm fully in favor of such a list. (I don't mean to say that I'm happy with the way this list is done.) I'd never heard of Amkette and assume that the article is right in saying that it's "a multinational technology company and manufacturer of computer hardware and consumer electronics". The hardware and electronics may be outstandingly good, for all I know. But I don't understand why there should be a list of the products of this company or any computer/electronics company (e.g. the company that made, or anyway marketed, the computer that has served me well for over a decade and at which I am now contentedly typing); WP:NOTCATALOG seems to apply. -- Hoary (talk) 00:15, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

How do I stop those banner ads on Wikipedia?

I have all boxes unchecked in Preferences, under Banner (except the bottom two which are grayed out). But every time I log in, I get different banners displaying above articles, at least 5 or 6 times per login. It is annoying. Doesn't matter if I click the X, or if I've already done that survey or not, they still display. It's getting ridiculous. How can I stop them? Grorp (talk) 20:19, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Grorp, and welcome to the Teahouse. What kind of banners? I am not getting any at present and the only ones I ever see are occasional banners for particular events that Wikipedia is holding. If these are actually ads for somethign unconnected with Wikiedia, then it is definitely not Wikipedia generating them, and I'd look and see if you have a browser extension or virus generating them. ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine: I logged out and logged back in to get these screenshots. 5 wiki banners. 2 are duplicates. Pasted in the same order they displayed (I clicked on random articles). Last is screenshot of my preferences/banners. I shouldn't have to see these every time I log back in. Grorp (talk) 22:56, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Do you permit cookies from Wikipedia? 331dot (talk) 23:13, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@331dot: Cookies are deleted when I close my browser. Always been that way. Never had this problem with Wikipedia. Archive.org, yes, when they're fundraising (highly annoying), but never Wikipedia. Grorp (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't know why you're getting those: I see things like those from time to time, but I'm not seeing any at the moment. I suggest asking at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 10:26, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Grorp: Try "Suppress display of all CentralNotices" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:26, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

That seems to have fixed it. Thanks, PrimeHunter! Grorp (talk) 00:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

How do I put Babel boxes on my user page?

How do I put Babel boxes on my user page? Not a Normal Username (talk) 23:51, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Not a Normal Username: Hi there! I believe you are referring to userboxes. You can look at the list at Wikipedia:Babel/List, copy the appropriate template(s), and paste them to your user page. GoingBatty (talk) 00:14, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! :D Not a Normal Username (talk) 01:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

hi @Not a Normal Username and welcome to the Teahouse! see Babel. you can also use the {{babel}} template for this, while adding your languages as this template's parameters. if you add {{babel|en-N|es-5|fr-4|ja-3|ar-2|eo-1}} to your userpage, you can display English (as native), Spanish, French, Japanese, Arabic, and Esperanto as your languages. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:15, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! :D Not a Normal Username (talk) 01:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Inline links vs Footnotes

Hello, are there best practices re: when to use links vs references/footnotes? To me, if there's a web page that adds good info to my article, I would link to it. What do experienced editors do on Wikipedia?

Thank you, Susan

Crystallake69 (talk) 22:46, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Crystallake69: Welcome to the Teahouse - if there is reliable information online that supports content within an article, you would use a footnote. External links are rarely placed within text. Apmh 23:04, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Please, NEVER use inline external links. Please, ALWAYS use references (which is what I believe Apmh means by "footnote"). There seems to be an exception in religion-focused articles for Bible verses and a few other religious texts but otherwise inline external links are associated by most experienced editors with spamming. Thanks. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 00:16, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Crystallake69: Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia:External links states "External links normally should not be placed in the body of an article." Footnotes are the most common way to cite the reliable information. GoingBatty (talk) 00:16, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you...I had no idea! Crystallake69 (talk) 02:20, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Uploaded Word content showing up boldface

Why is this happening in my draft page? The content up to this point is fine.

'''MORE INNOVATIONS'''

Following the introduction of the smallest ARC Spec S and UnitVisID approved RFID inlay for Healthcare and Pharma applications, in 2022, Tageos launched the EOS-350 M700 inlays, the smallest ARC Spec U approved RFID inlays for baggage tracking applications for airlines and airports. A 17% smaller antenna than the next smallest ARC Spec U approved product leads to reduced weight and waste for baggage tracking labels<sub>.</sub><sup>[ 6]</sup>

Crystallake69 (talk) 15:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Crystallake69 and welcome to the Teahouse. There's a heading start tag, ===, before "Following ..." and an end tag, ===, at the end of the paragraph. This makes the entire paragraph a heading. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:58, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi and thank you! I ended up using {{nobold}} as I didn't 'get' your instructions at first. Now I do! May I ask another question of you? I'm building a page for a company and it's completed and approved by the client. I use phrases like "leading provider of RFID technology" as it's true, but will that be considered promotional content by the editors? I"m still in sandbox mode. Crystallake69 (talk) 15:19, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Crystallake69 Based upon I'm building a page for a company and it's completed and approved by the client. that you posted above, I strongly suggest that you careful look at the information I added to your user talk page about COI and paid editing because you seem to be doing both. In particular, it's very important that you fully comply with Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure even if you're only editing in your user sandbox because a failure to do so will likely lead to your account being blocked. In addition, I also strongly suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) because that will determine whether a Wikipedia article about the company you're trying to write about will be accepted. You should also carefully explain to the company things like Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Ownership of content. Wikipedia doesn't have company pages in the sense that the company can exert any editorial control over what's written about it; Wikipedia has encyclopedic articles written about companies that reflect what reliable sources have been writing or saying (for better or worse) about the companies. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:52, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Help with adding a section

This page: 1982 Queen's Birthday Honours (Australia) is missing my father's name (and others). His page is here George Kneipp I have been editing it, but I am wary of adding a section to reflect his award which is mentioned on his page and also here https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/240708465. I'm not sure of the hierarchy of the awards but I feel his should be third, to reflect the original listing from Buckingham Palace. There are other recipients missing in this page : 1982 Queen's Birthday Honours (Australia) I would appreciate help or advice on how to update the Honours page. Thanks very much. Paulkneipp (talk) 01:23, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Paulkneipp: Welcome to the Teahouse! Because George Kneipp is your father, Wikipedia considers it a conflict of interest (COI) to edit its George Kneipp article. You should declare your COI on your talk page, and then submit edit requests on the article's talk page: Talk:George Kneipp asking for assistance. Similarly, you may ask for help adding your father to 1982 Queen's Birthday Honours (Australia) on Talk:1982 Queen's Birthday Honours (Australia). Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 01:35, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

This does help thank you. Someone else did setup the page at my request. All I have added is a photo. But I understand the protocol. There are no further edits required on that page. Paulkneipp (talk) 03:50, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Paulkneipp The source you provided here is fine and corresponds to what is already on the 1982 honours article, so I have added Kneipp to that article, in what I think is the correct place based on 1980 Queen's Birthday Honours (Australia). Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:48, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Mike. Unfortunately, that article is misleadingly set out. The descriptions actually follow the recipient. So for George Kneipp, it's "For service to education and the community" I have corrected this, since this page is not a COI. Paulkneipp (talk) 03:49, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Paulkneipp: Editing anything about your father is a conflict of interest, not just on the George Kneipp article. GoingBatty (talk) 04:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

SimplexNumerica

Hello,

I made an update to my article about SimplexNumerica but I do not know what to do next!? What to change and how to publish?

Rey Rey Kissen (talk) 08:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Rey Kissen Hello and welcome. You edited your user page, which is not article space, but a place for the named user to tell about themselves as a Wikipedia user. To create and submit a draft, please use the article wizard. 331dot (talk) 08:34, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Rey Kissen: I assume you are talking about your draft, and not your user page. You can submit by pressing the button on the template at the top of the page. It will then be reviewed by experienced members of the community, who will either decline it or accept it. At the moment, it would almost certainly fail as it is unsourced. Please read WP:GNG. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 08:36, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

discussion

please tell are you guys available over here for my help

Barolaharsh (talk) 08:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Barolaharsh We are providing you with help above. Please stop creating new sections of this page for every comment. Please edit the existing section above. This may be easier to do in desktop mode, even on a phone. 331dot (talk) 08:49, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Can someone help with the formatting of this draft

I saw this draft Draft:Theory of encryption of power and I love it but its terribly formatted. How should its formatting be improved? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 10:51, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Improvement required on submitted article

Please check Draft:TBO.COM

My draft is declined 2 times and I want to know specific reason. Please assist. Jasmeet001 (talk) 09:53, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You were given reasons by reviewers, please.see their messages on your draft. 331dot (talk) 10:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikiproject

Hi, Are there any other Wikiprojects similar to that of the Guild of the copyeditors that I can contribute or work on? 456legend(talk) 04:38, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

There's Wikipedia:Typo Team, but that's not technically a WikiProject. NPP and AFC are probably a bit too complex if you're looking for something similar to GOCE... Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation and/or Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links potentially? Not sure if I'm on the right track, but that's what I've got. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 06:06, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Skarmory Thank you for the input. I will look into it. 456legend(talk) 11:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Youtube as a Reference

I've added a couple of Youtube references, which I've backed up with a references from a news story and a book, however the Youtube references now say nothing other than the URL access date, when they're added automatically.

Should I add them manually, and add the usual stuff like the source dates, the video titles, the author (who they were posted by, this case an award winning filmmaker under his music alias), and the name of the website?

Or should I just leave them as they are, with only the URL access date? Danstarr69 (talk) 06:43, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Danstarr69, It depends on the type of video, but there is Template:Cite AV media, Template:Cite episode, Template:Cite news and Template:Cite podcast as a few examples of templates that can be used. Nobody (talk) 09:49, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

1AmNobody24 so I should create manual references for Youtube links?

One is a music video, for football song originally released 6 years earlier without a video.

One is a football documentary, which was filmed in 1984, but was seemingly only released in 2016. Danstarr69 (talk) 10:14, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Danstarr69 My tip would be to use ProveIt, which you can enable here (Editing section), it helps with adding citations and shows the suggested parameters for the template. Nobody (talk) 10:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

1AmNobody24 I'm not sure what that is, and I can't see it in the editing section of my preferences.

I'll be checking it out later though, as I'm busy writing an article right now, for a TV series of short films, which seem like they're all award winning, with a simple table, and a standard TV infobox.

I normally just stick to creating citations automatically, which I then edit slightly, by adding anything that's missing like article authors, changing the dates from numerical to alphabetical (as apparently that's what all reference dates should be, yet they're always automatically added with numerical dates), correcting titles (as sometimes they're different to the title in the story itself, or use the website name instead) and replacing URLs with the website names.

However if they can't be created for whatever reason (it mainly seems to be things like PDF links), then I manually create them.

What I would like to know however is how to correct and make all citations from a specific site say the same thing, every time they're added.

I've asked before but I never got a straight answer, and the corrections I requested weren't done properly

For example, when you add a citation from the website BFI Collections it adds:

• Collections Search | BFI | British Film Institute as a title.
• A numerical 2023-06-13 type date as with all references.
• collections-search.bfi.org.uk as the name of the website.

When what it should be doing is adding:

• The title of the production as the title.
• An alphabetical 13 June 2023 type date.
• BFI Collections as the name of the website

Danstarr69 (talk) 11:30, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Danstarr69 For BFI Collections, it won't work automatically because of how that site is set up and it has to be done manually. I would make it like this: {{Cite web |title='Movie/Film Title' |url=https://collections-search.bfi.org.uk/web/Details/'Custom_per_film' |access-date=2023-06-13 |website=[[British Film Institute]]}}. But yeah, you won't get around of creating some manually, that's how it is. Nobody (talk) 11:46, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Just wanted to point out that YouTube links might be problematic, see Wikipedia:YOUTUBE. Lectonar (talk) 11:57, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Lectonar I already know about Youtube links.

They can be used as long they're not saying anything controversial.

It's just that since last time I used them (at least 9 months ago I'd estimate), the automatic citation templates have been changed by someone (something which I want to learn, but I never get answer of how), so now they only say the URL access date and nothing else. It doesn't even say Youtube as the website name in Youtube references anymore. Danstarr69 (talk) 12:03, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

It's not so much about being problematic, but more possible problems with copyrights; many videos hosted on YouTube or similar sites do not meet the standards for inclusion in External links sections, and copyright is of particular concern. Many YouTube videos of newscasts, shows, or other content of interest to Wikipedia visitors are copyright violations and should not be linked, either in the article or in citations. Lectonar (talk) 12:06, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Lectonar there's no copyright concerns when the productions (films, TV shows, music videos, shorts, web series etc) have been uploaded by the owner themselves or the place they were uploaded originally.

The 2 links I've added, have been uploaded by the owner, and confirm what a news story, and a book say.

There's no 3rd parties involved. Danstarr69 (talk) 12:15, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

1AmNobody24 Apart from the fact it's not the British Film Institute.

It's just 1 of at least 5 of their film related sites, and the one they're mainly focusing on apparently.

Their main site looks like this bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/

They've been slowly adding/moving stuff from their main BFI site, to the much more detailed BFI Collections site for years, as on the rare occasions I email them to tell them about a mistake I've seen, they will always say something along the lines of "at least it's correct on our collections site." Danstarr69 (talk) 11:58, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

userboxes

Hello. How do I make all of my userboxes align?

Many thanks! Contributor 118,784 (talk) 12:35, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Contributor 118,784: Welcome to the Teahouse! I only see one userbox on your user page, so it's unclear what issues you're experiencing. See Template:Userboxtop for one way to organize userboxes. GoingBatty (talk) 12:40, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

How do I delete certain userboxes? Contributor 118,784 (talk) 12:44, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind, I got it. Thanks. Contributor 118,784 (talk) 13:07, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks. I appreciate it Contributor 118,784 (talk) 12:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Uploaded new version of image, not updating within article

Greetings everyone,

I uploaded a cleaner version of Goofy's Hysterical History Tour's cover art, (see File History in File:Goofys Hysterical History Tour cover.jpg), however the older version is still showing within the article & at the top of the File page.

Not sure why its not updating, so any assistance would be most appreciated! (apologies in advance for if this is a silly mistake on my end...) SMT153 (talk) 13:38, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@SMT153 This is your browser's "fault". The image is updated and you just need to bypass your cache. See WP:BYPASS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:47, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Mike! SMT153 (talk) 13:49, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Large Blank space between cited articles and references

Hello, I am seeking assistance to remove a large blank space between the Table where all articles of the author are cited and the section for References. I tried raising the references' section but it is stuck way below the article and the sources. A suggested correction would be very much appreciated, and thank you for considering my question. Keudal39 Keudal39 (talk) 06:12, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Keudal39! I'm not finding the article you're working on in your contribution history. Could you provide a link? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your reply. The article is in French. It is translated from English into French so I don't know if I asked for assistance in the wrong "Teahouse". Kind regards, Keudal39 Keudal39 (talk) 13:47, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Keudal39, the translation tool is still in beta, so it may have quirks. To get rid of an extra line break, I'd just wait until you're finished translating it, publish it, and then edit it in source text mode and delete the blank space then. Let us know if you have any trouble and we can help. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 14:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your very helpful reply. Kind regards, Keudal39 Keudal39 (talk) 14:17, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

About a review of a draft article

I am trying to apply for a review of the draft article "Kuniaki Iwanami". Has it been already uploaded for a review succesfully? Akakakakakakakak (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Akakakakakakakak: Draft:Kuniaki Iwanami is not currently submitted for review, though I have added the templates to do so. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 15:08, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Victor Schmidt mobil, thank you for your response and sorry for my late reply. I appreciate your support and I could have submitted my draft successfully. Akakakakakakakak (talk) 15:08, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Akakakakakakakak: Now that User:Victor Schmidt mobil has added the templates, you should be able to find a button on the article that says "Submit the draft for review!" If you feel like you are ready to submit the draft, then click it. You can edit the page after it has been moved into the mainspace or denied. Capsulecap ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:34, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, you shouldn't create drafts directly; rather, make a draft from the article wizard. If you don't use the wizard, you won't have the Articles for Creation templates that allow you to easily submit the draft. Capsulecap ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:41, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Capsulecap, thank you for your reply and I appreciate your advice. Based on the information you gave to me, I would like to learn more about editing an article in Wikipedia. Akakakakakakakak (talk) 15:12, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Talk page reply function

Hi. When I use the [reply] function to contact an editor on a Talk page, does that editor get a ping automatically, or do I still have to use the "ping" template {{u|username}} to get his/her attention? DaringDonna (talk) 18:08, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@daringdonna: if the page starts with "talk:", then you do need to use the ping template to notify the editor. if the page starts with "user talk:", the editor, but only the editor with the username following "user talk:", will be notified. lettherebedarklight晚安 18:15, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

thanks DaringDonna (talk) 15:14, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

2021 Detroit Tigers season inadvertent deletions

Hello. Go to 2021 Detroit Tigers season page. Go to edit history, and put back Farm System table back below roster, then References section and external links section back to page; and then look into edit window and place Batting and Pitching tables below roster section. I messed up here, I deleted a specific symbol that I thought was supposed to be deleted to activate the batting and pitching tables. Hope this is an easy fix. I appreciate your time and effort. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 14:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Theairportman33531. Content inside <!-- ... --> is called a comment and not displayed. It can for example be used to add hidden notes to editors or to omit content which is not ready for display. In this case the tables are commented out because they have no data yet and there is no reason to display them to readers. If you add data and want them to display then remove both <!-- and --> in the same edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:20, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your assistance. Problem solved. Have a great day!Theairportman33531 (talk) 15:24, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Can poor wp:scholarship be used as reason for AfD?

Can poor wp:scholarship be used as reason for AfD? 121.7.22.248 (talk) 15:53, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

It can be used to explain why an academic paper cannot be used for notability purposes, definitely. It cannot be the sole reason why an article is taken to AFD. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 16:20, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

How to add coloured award boxes/writing to a standard table

I'm making a standard table like this, but with 5 more categories, so 7 columns in total.

Film	Award
Film 1	BAFTA
Film 2	Oscar

I thought only winners were mentioned.

However part of the way through, I've noticed that nominees are mentioned too.

How could I add coloured writing to each award box, or a coloured box, to signify a win or a loss/nomination?

Similar to this Template:Awards table which doesn't say anything about losses/nominations. Danstarr69 (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

You can use {{won}}, {{lost}}, and {{nom}} to produce coloured boxes with corresponding text:

Film	Award	Result
Film 1	BAFTA	Won
Film 2	Oscar	Lost
Film 3	Oscar	Nominated

Colouring the boxes without also using text is not helpful for many users, such as those who are colourblind or using screen readers - the templates above are preferred. Tollens (talk) 17:23, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Book pages

Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but does anyone have suggestions for what to do when citing a book, but you don't know the exact book pages? The reason is that some of the books are in e-book format and they don't always show page numbers Fanatizka (talk) 16:13, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

@Fanatizka: Welcome, and thanks for citing your sources. You don't need to include the page numbers if you don't have them. {{Cite_book}} shows lots of examples of citations that don't include the page. RudolfRed (talk) 17:10, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

If you cant provide a page number, you should at least include a quote from the book so readers can find it. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 06:09, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if this is correct, but when citing Kindle e-books, I have occasionally used the {{rp}} template with the "at" parameter. For example, {{rp|at=Location 33}}. But if the e-book can also display the page number corresponding to the page number in the physical book (and many Kindle books can do that), then it would presumably be better to cite that number. Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:05, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

It will depend on the exact nature of the book, but as has already been noted it's not always necessary. For instance, in addition to using |qoute= or |at=, you may be able to provide the name of the chapter instead (using |chapter=). XAM2175 ^(T) 14:52, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@RudolfRed @Carpimaps @Mike Marchmont @XAM2175 Haven't really had time to respond here these last few days, but just wanted to thank you all for the suggestions! Fanatizka (talk) 17:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

How to create a link to a subsubsection?

There is a link Help_talk:IPA/Sanskrit#Requesting_changes_(with_reasons) which I want to make Help_talk:IPA/Sanskrit#Consensus?#Requesting_changes_(with_reasons) by making the "Requesting_changes_(with_reasons)" a subsection of Help_talk:IPA/Sanskrit#Consensus? - how do I do so?-1Firang (talk) 17:35, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

You can make a lower heading level by adding one = on either side: ==Requesting changes (with reasons)== would become ===Requesting changes (with reasons)===. Note that this would not allow you to make a link as you described above, just because that's not how section links work - you can only specify one section. The first link you mention will still work, but the second one will still not do anything. Tollens (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm also not entirely certain why there is a heading in the middle of a discussion - no new header is needed there. Tollens (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens: I know how to create a subsubsection but how do I create a deep link to such a subsubsection?-1Firang (talk) 17:44, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

You can't as far as I'm aware. The first link you provide in your original question will still work - why do you want the main topic to be in the link? Tollens (talk) 17:46, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

The "Requesting_changes_(with_reasons)" should be a subsection of Help_talk:IPA/Sanskrit#Consensus, that's why.-1Firang (talk) 17:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

You link any section heading with [[Page name#section name]]. It doesn't matter what level of subsection it is so Help talk:IPA/Sanskrit#Requesting changes (with reasons) will still work if the level is changed. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Great! It works. Thanks a lot!-1Firang (talk) 18:01, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Is there a reminder bot on wikipedia

There are certain articles I'd like to be reminded to make edits to later. Is there a bot to do this? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 11:01, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

There's a bot on Reddit that achieves this. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 11:01, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Since you presumably have to tell the bot which articles you have in mind, why not just maintain a list on your own UserPage? I assume you look at that from time to time and it has the advantage that other editors here could see your intent and maybe offer to collaborate. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:40, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

My user page should be an example of this. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 18:36, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: You may want to look at User:BrandonXLF/TodoList to see if this will meet your needs. GoingBatty (talk) 12:35, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: This isn't a bot, but you may be interested in the script User:SD0001/W-Ping, which creates an item in your watchlist of the article when the designated time period you choose has passed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:39, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Add pictures from Flickr

Let's say I have found a CC image from Flickr. How do I proceed with actually adding the image to Commons? Any help pages or that sort of stuff haven't helped me, could someone please explain? Thanks, RadoGaming7 (talk) 19:30, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, RadoGaming7, and welcome to the Teahouse. Questions about Commons are better asked at Commons. But C:Commons:Flickr files#Uploading images probably has the answer to your question. ColinFine (talk) 19:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

how could someone create a userbox template?

Hey, how could someone create a userbox template? I am confused because the article on creating a template doesn't really specify on how one would do that. TruePennsylvanian (talk) 20:08, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello TruePennsylvanian, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can make a userbox by using Template:Userbox - there are detailed descriptions of the parameters on that page. Place the template on a subpage of your userpage (like User:TruePennsylvanian/USERBOXTITLEHERE), then you can display it by placing {{User:TruePennsylvanian/USERBOXTITLEHERE}} where you want it. Tollens (talk) 20:15, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

minor copyedits

I have been using the visual editor and it seems to have a built in version of grammarly or something similar to that in that it finds minor errors to fix and then i fix them? is this fine to do? is this helpful? Is anyone able to check on my edits and let me know how they look? Iljhgtn (talk) 15:35, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn, hmm, I'm not aware of any Grammarly-esque feature built into the VisualEditor. Could you describe more specifically what the interface is prompting? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:49, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

there is a little blue underlined thing that just seems to indicate that there should be a change made. if i click again, it lets me make the change in one more click, after letting me know with a small prompt something like "there should not be a space here", or if it is a typo it underlines it. i am using microsoft edge as my browser, could it be from my browser or some plugin that i am unaware of if it is not integrated into the "visual browser"?? i do not have grammarly as far as i know either.. Iljhgtn (talk) 15:58, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: To help us replicate this issue, which article are you editing? Which version of MS Edge are you using? Does it happen if you edit the same article with a different browser? GoingBatty (talk) 16:18, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

i dont use any other browsers, but i will find another article that this happens on and let you know right now. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:20, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

i think it is a microsoft editor thing actually, and not from visual editor or anything now that i look into it further, look at this link if possible edge://settings/languages

i hovered over one of these "suggestions" and it took me to that link. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:25, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

how do i link to an external website? Iljhgtn (talk) 16:25, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

ok i found a decent example for you to replicate what i am seeing, but i am pretty sure it is just the edge browser giving met tips. Go to the page, 1967 in art, then you will see a couple different lines i will list out that have edit suggestions:

• Voice of Fire (painting commissioned for Expo 67 in Montreal) [here there is a space between "for" and "Expo 67" that my editor thingy is advising me to remove]

• Marguerite Huré, French stained glass artist (born 1895) [here my editor thingy is telling me that stained glass should be hyphenated to stained-glass]

both of those seem like reasonable suggestions that would be "minor" copy edits dont you think? Iljhgtn (talk) 16:33, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

i also just made some more minor copy edits of this style on the page for Doug Supernaw if you want another example of what sort of things it is suggesting to me and if that is helpful or not. i think occassionally it gets things wrong and i need to use my own brain and best judgement to determine when to use it and when to not. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

i like using the random article thingy, so that takes me to all sorts of different subject matter too. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I think this is WP:Suggested edits, a Growth team feature. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

maybe it is that then, i dont know, but it is helpful whatever it is Iljhgtn (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I know this isn't what you asked, but it's worth mentioning: Please do not use Grammarly to edit Wikipedia. WPscatter ^t/_c 19:11, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

good to know, thanks. so many other new acronyms it makes my head spin when i clicked on the link there Iljhgtn (talk) 20:24, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Why is there a Template:Merged-from error?

At Talk:Écône consecrations, the Template:Merged-from has an error, and I do not know how to fix it. Veverve (talk) 21:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Veverve! I have fixed the issue - the problem was that there was a stray left-to-right mark character (which is invisible) at the end of the date, and it broke the parser. Tollens (talk) 21:44, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

At what point is an article no longer considered an orphan?

Is there some sort of threshold as to how many places an article needs to be linked for it to not be an orphan anymore? I noticed that Sleep deprivation in higher education is linked in both Sleep deprivation and College health but it still appears when running a search for health related orphaned articles. Mercedes-Fletcher (talk) 22:51, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Mercedes-Fletcher: It's probably an oversight. The article is linked via hatnotes instead of wikilinks. Apmh 22:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm somewhat new to this, would you mind explaining the difference between the two? :) Mercedes-Fletcher (talk) 22:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Mercedes-Fletcher: A wikilink is this, and a hatnote is the thing you find at the top of sections that looks like this:
See also: This
- Apmh 23:01, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay that makes sense, thank you for clarifying! :) Mercedes-Fletcher (talk) 23:03, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Roseville stores and land lots

Who owns the land and roseville stores ButchJohnsonBrown (talk) 00:54, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, ButchJohnsonBrown. There are many places called Roseville in the world. Plus, the Teahouse is for asking and answering questions about editing Wikipedia. We do not research real estate ownership here. Cullen328 (talk) 01:03, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Reporting a User

Hello. I have been looking at Adele  's Wikipedia article lately, and I have been involved in a couple additions et cetera. However, there is a user by the name of @Martin19928 (talk page) who has been spamming the page. I have undone his revisions twice now, and I am on my way to undo them again, as they are trying to alter a quote to include new words not in the original quote. I have already left them a message on their talk page, and by looking at their talk page & contributions it seems that this is not their first infraction. How do I report a user for spam to have them unable to edit the article? I've been on Wikipedia for a couple of years and active for a few months, but I'm still learning. Thanks in advance! SSR07 (talk) 01:36, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Given the long history of disputes, it may be appropriate for another boring ANI case. It's less vandalism and more tendentious editing, in my opinion. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:48, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this out, SSR07. This could be spamming (broadly defined) or vandalism (ditto) or gross incompetence; I'm not going to speculate. The falsification has (yet again) been reverted (not by me), and I've posted a warning on the talk page and also on the perp's talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 02:05, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I have pageblocked Martin19928 from editing Adele. Falsifying a direct quotation is a very serious offense. Cullen328 (talk) 02:11, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

please tell me why my draft was not accepted

please tell me why my draft was not accepted tell me a suitable reason , I am working day and night in wikipedia since last one month and guys made me disappointed. please review my draft as soon as possible otherwise i will leave wikipedia forever hope you will not disappoint your customer next time. Barolaharsh (talk) 07:43, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Factophobia is VERY poorly written and the sources do not mention the topic. Theroadislong (talk) 08:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Barolaharsh Wikipedia does not have "customers" as it is not a business. I am wondering if you have an association with this business, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 08:03, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Brolaharsh, and welcome to the Teahouse. It looks to me very much as if, like most new editors who try to create articles, you have written your draft BACKWARD.

What you need to do (once you have clearly declared your COI, as others have mentioned) is to look for places where people wholly unconnected with Factophobia have published significant coverage of it in reliable sources. If you can't find any, then you will know to give up this idea immediately, as the company does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

If you find some sources, then you should junk your draft and start again, writing a draft solely from what those indepedent sources say. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

This is summarized in WP:YFA. ColinFine (talk) 09:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

guys tulll tell me how can i create a good draft Barolaharsh (talk) 08:15, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Barolaharsh Please edit this existing section, instead of creating new sections for every comment. Do you have an association with this business? 331dot (talk) 08:18, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

hey 331dot i am associated with an organisation Barolaharsh (talk) 08:22, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Barolaharsh:Can you then make a COI declaration on your user page? You can do this by following the instructions at WP:DISCLOSE. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 08:27, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

do you guys block the fraud users also or you dont have the power to do so???????????????? Barolaharsh (talk) 08:23, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

actually i am new to wikipedia so i dont know much about can you tell what are qualifications for approvel of a draft Barolaharsh (talk) 08:25, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

and please tell what are the maximum limits to resubmit draft

Barolaharsh (talk) 08:26, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

For a start, please keep everything in the same discussion, it makes it easier for everyone. I've merged it for you. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 08:29, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

And to answer your questions, people here for fraud and promotion regularly get blocked if they don't follow community rules. Drafts are approved when they meet Wikipedia's guidlines, mainly WP:GNG and other notability rules, WP:MOS, and WP:NOT. There aren't any limits to resubmitting, however do note that repeatedly submitting a draft with no improvement will often end in rejection, where you cannot resubmit. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 08:32, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

You need to disclose your relationship with the organization now, please see your user talk page for more information(User talk:Barolaharsh). 331dot (talk) 08:33, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Barolaharsh Draft:Factophobia has been Speedy deleted. In addition, all of your edits to various articles have been reverted (reversed). Do not start over unless you comply with the WP:COI request and the new draft has content verified by quality references. David notMD (talk) 02:14, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Does CSS work?

Will this work?

<style> html { text-color: gray; } </style> CDRedstone (talk) 02:47, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, CDRedstone, and welcome to the Teahouse! The use of the HTML style element is disabled to prevent misuse, but you can use CSS in other ways. For example, you can use the style attribute on HTML elements and some templates - for example:

<span style="background-color:orange; border:2px solid purple">Test</span> produces Test

The wikitext table syntax:

{| style="background-color:green"

! Header 1 !! Header 2

|-

| A || B

|}

produces:

Header 1	Header 2
A	B

If you want to apply CSS to the whole page for yourself only, you can create your common.css page and place any CSS there - it will be applied to every page for your device while you are logged in. Tollens (talk) 03:42, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Biden and Trump profiles.

Unconstructive. Hoary (talk) 07:52, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

There seems to be a great deal of partisan information in these two articles. Very biased information and renderings, characteristic of the culture wars in the U.S. Why no mention of Trump's accomplishments? Why no mention of Hunter Biden's laptop or Joe Biden's influence peddling in Ukraine? No mention of Joe Biden's declining mental state, part time presidency and limited speaking engagements that aren't heavily scripted? No mention of Biden weaponizing his Department of Justice in an attempt to remove his chief political opponent. Furthermore Trump asked his people to peacefully and patriotically protest on January 6th. You seem to have omitted that quite conveniently. 2600:1700:E3E0:97B0:E54A:FCED:D29D:109B (talk) 06:12, 14 June 2023 (UTC) Please provide reliable sources for every one of those claims. HiLo48 (talk) 06:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC) We do not echo far right talking points but rather insist on summarizing what reliable sources say about the real world. There are a lot of skilled and highly paid professional liars trying to get people to believe that black is white and down is up. Wikipedia is a different type of website. Cullen328 (talk) 07:29, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

This is a really simple thing and i think i might be stupid for asking this but...

What are Citations? How do i make them, how do they work, and what are they for? SamTheKing5759 (talk) 07:07, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, SamTheKing5759. "Citations" is another name for "references" and they are by far the most important part of an acceptable Wikipedia article. A Wikipedia article summarizes the significant coverage that reliable, independent sources devote to the topic of the article. Verifiability is a core content policy. Citations, also known as references, enable the reader to verify that the content is accurate by reading the originsl source. Our goal is to present complete bibliographic information to the readers in the firm of Citations, also known as references. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk) 07:24, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

And if you keep making edits like [4] you will be blocked. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:50, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Trying to Publish article

I was trying to publish article on wikipidea but to no success If you could help me get it done I would be grateful 41.66.239.15 (talk) 08:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

There is no clue on what this is about in your edithistory [5], so: Start with reading WP:BACKWARD. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:YFA. If you're trying to write a WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY, don't. You may want to consider WP:REGISTER. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:48, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

. . . and if you have already started (with some other IP number or with a username), then please specify the draft. -- Hoary (talk) 08:55, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

CopyVio rev-del

Hello can anyone help with a copyvio rev-del request. I couldn’t understand the template page, then I installed enterprisey/cv-revdel but the talk page and article are for good reason semi protected.

The article without question infringed BBC Copyright 2003 word for word “A frank… home”.

See my talk page for more details.

SMac30 (talk) 14:26, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@SMac30: What page are you trying to place the cv-revdel template on? – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 14:37, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

See my talk page for details SMac30 (talk) 14:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@SMac30: Dudhhr has already found the correct page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:46, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Relevant citations

Had my first draft rejected but with positive feedback. I'm writing an article about a song, "Windrush Nation" - it's about the pioneers who emigrated to the UK in 1948 on the Empire Windrush and what they have gone on to achieve. I'm thinking of citing the ship Empire Windrush from which everything gets its name. I'm also thinking of citing Tilbury where it landed. The person who inspired the song is Chancellor of Heriot-Watt University, and I was thinking of citing them for confirmation of his status. These are all for context but would they be acceptable in the article? Windrushnation (talk) 13:20, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Windrushnation

I'm pretty sure they would be, so long as they're neutral.

~~~ Contributor 118,784 (talk) 13:28, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

How can I send you a link to the draft? Windrushnation (talk) 13:32, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

User:Windrushnation/sandbox#Windrush Nation Windrushnation (talk) 13:39, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Windrushnation/sandbox ContributeToTheWiki (talk • contribs) 13:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Good article. I recommend you resubmit it. Contributor 118,784 (talk) 13:43, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll do that. Windrushnation (talk) 13:51, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@ContributeToTheWiki The article in its current state has been declined, with reasons you should take account of. My main worry in addition to the comments made by the reviewer is that you appear to have included a complete copy of the lyrics of the song, which may be a WP:COPYVIO. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:52, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

We (Life Radio UK & Reach Society) hold the mechanical copyright to the song and agreement with the writer. What is your suggestion? Happy to comply with best practice. Windrushnation (talk) 14:04, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh damn. Contributor 118,784 (talk) 14:06, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Windrushnation Sorry, I pinged the wrong person before! You are now entering difficult territory. You need immediately to read WP:PAID and comply in full with its provisions. The copyright issue is complex and I defer to others with more expertise as to what should be the next steps. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:16, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I would welcome some guidance on this. These are the facts

1. Wayne Bucknor retains 100% of Writer's Credit
2. Life Radio UK and Reach Society owns the Mechanical Copyrights
3. The songs was commission to be freely available for download and use by anyone who wishes to use it as part of their Windrush celebrations
4. We will not be receiving any payment for placing the article on Wiki - it is purely or public benefit.

Windrushnation (talk) 14:23, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Windrushnation, and welcome to the Teahouse. As regards the song, your purpose "to be freely available for download and use by anyone" is very much congruent with Wikipedia's mission; but it has to be done correctly.

If the lyrics have previously been published anywhere, then Wikipedia will assume that they are copyright, and cannot be used here, unless either:

• the publication is accompanied by an explicit release of legal rights, either into the public domain, or under a compatible licence such as WP:CC-BY-SA; or
• the copyright holder (not anybody else) communicates directly with the Wikimedia Foundation releasing the rights in that way: see donating copyright materials.

But the more general problem is that, like most people do who try the challenging task of creating a new article when they are inexperienced at editing Wikipedia, you appear to have created the draft BACKWARD. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. So your task is first to find the independent sources, and then to forget everything you know about the subject and write an article based on what those sources say. ColinFine (talk) 19:34, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Windrushnation, and welcome to the Teahouse. As regards the song, your purpose "to be freely available for download and use by anyone" is very much congruent with Wikipedia's mission; but it has to be done correctly.

If the lyrics have previously been published anywhere, then Wikipedia will assume that they are copyright, and cannot be used here, unless either:

• the publication is accompanied by an explicit release of legal rights, either into the public domain, or under a compatible licence such as WP:CC-BY-SA; or
• the copyright holder (not anybody else) communicates directly with the Wikimedia Foundation releasing the rights in that way: see donating copyright materials.

First of all, I have applied for and been granted a change of username because my original one caused conflict with the article I have written - new username is @Ukmaroon.

Secondly, I will pass on the copyright paras to our music lawyer for advice. If I did not quote the lyrics by put a link to download the file, would that amount to the same thing? Ukmaroon (talk) 00:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

But the more general problem is that, like most people do who try the challenging task of creating a new article when they are inexperienced at editing Wikipedia, you appear to have created the draft BACKWARD. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. So your task is first to find the independent sources, and then to forget everything you know about the subject and write an article based on what those sources say. ColinFine (talk) 19:34, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Leaving aside the early technical errors that I made, your response to the following would be the most relevant.

"Windrush Nation" is the title of a new song; the term has never been used before and so there are no extensive and independent sources out there. I am simply trying to make the public aware of it and to share the music, the copyright to which I co-own with Reach Society. The writer of the song was briefed and commissioned by us and I feel this is relevant to the origin and history song. In terms of the three citations, are they not relevant, or should be be included as 'links' instead? Doe the fact that this is something new make is unacceptable?

Finally, I curious to note inconsistencies in approval standards because after the first rejection, I provided a link to another editor and received "Good article. I recommend you resubmit it." Contributor 118,784

Grateful for your thoughts. Ukmaroon (talk) 00:57, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ukmaroon: If you can't find reliable sources out there which are independent of the subject, it seems that an article would be premature. Please understand that Wikipedia is not to be used for awareness or promotion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ukmaroon note that everyone here is a volunteer, and we all have differing levels of experience and knowledge of Wikipedia policies. When @Contributor 118,784 commented "Good article", they had been editing on Wikipedia for less than one day, and probably did not have enough experience to give that kind of advice. CodeTalker (talk) 05:47, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I can appreciate that but I am not to know and that resubmission could have led to my article being deleted. I suggest a better approval system. Ukmaroon (talk) 05:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

How do I leave the Teahouse? Ukmaroon (talk) 05:53, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

The approval system is best performed by the reviewers who have left comments on your draft, and not random editors. You can "leave" the Teahouse by refraining from making any more comments in this section. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:09, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

sorry Contributor 118,784 (talk) 17:36, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Question about appropriation of the holocaust

Hi all, I am working on an assignment looking beyond cultural appropriation into the level of whether any one or group has ever appropriated the experiences of another group as their own (specifically, the horrors of the Holocaust by unfounded insinuation or claims of genocide). Wikipedia is generally very well organised and simple to follow in terms of categories, but I am unable to find any article to this effect that would guide my reading. Is there anyone who might be able to point me in a good direction to start? Thanks much! Elizabeth.purdue (talk) 17:26, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Elizabeth.purdue. Double genocide theory seems related to your question. Cullen328 (talk) 17:44, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Actually I was able to find this, which is along the vein of what I’m looking for. Thanks! Elizabeth.purdue (talk) 17:48, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Draft Page

hi Any body can help in This page publishing and Review. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Azamgarh_(Movie)

I have been trying to create this article for the last two months, but it was getting rejected due to some or the other guideline mistake. Now I have tried to do it correctly for the fourth time according to the guideline and I think I have done it right, if I am missing something in this, please help. Naveenbbhardwaj (talk) 18:05, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Naveenbbhardwaj. Your "Synopsis" section violates the Neutral point of view, which is a core content policy. Your formatting is poor and you have too many red links. Most of your references are presented as bare URLs, and are not in the correct places. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk) 18:18, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Question

In relation to the blocking policy, is there a way to find out how long a user can be blocked for a certain violation of the rules? Dinoz1 (chat?) (he/him) 12:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is not a set duration written into policy; it depends on the specific circumstances. Minor, first time matters generally get shorter and more specific blocks. Serious or repeat issues get longer ones. Admins are made admins because the community trusts them to make that decision. Is there a specific matter that prompted your question? 331dot (talk) 12:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Blocks are not a punishment, but a means of preventing disruption. The block should be proportionate to the need to prevent disruption. 331dot (talk) 12:40, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, 331dot. I've just been lurking on AN/I, making a few block proposals and sometimes, I'm not really sure how long a user should be blocked for. I figured I'd ask on the Teahouse. Dinoz1 (chat?) (he/him) 13:02, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

See detailed info at Wikipedia:Blocking policy. Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Dinoz1 (chat?) (he/him) 18:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Finding past discussions about a template

Is there an easy way to find old XfDs or relevant Talk page discussions pertaining to one specific template? I'm trying to figure out why Template:Infobox court case has so many parameters marked as deprecated, but there's nothing relevant on the template's Talk page, the template is used by multiple projects (i.e., no idea which one would have relevant discussions), and the original edit was made in 2014 by an editor who's been inactive for several years now. I'm trying to figure out if there's a more time-efficient way to determine whether the parameters are truly deprecated or someone was just screwing around with the TemplateData. –Galactic-Radiance (talk) 19:00, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

pages to be deleted

I seem some pages as I navigate around that maybe could be deleted, do I do that myself? Or do I ask an admin?

This one for example: Ulysse Pastre. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Iljhgn, and welcome to the Teahouse. Only admins can delete pages, but anybody can nominate them for deletion according to one or other of the sets of criteria: see WP:deletion process. As for Ulysse Pastre, while the article does not cite any sources and so demonstate his notability, WP:NPOL says that people who have been members of a national or provincial legislature are presumed to be notable. So that article should not be deleted until somebody has done a thorough search for sources, and only if they cannot be found should it be deleted. It can certainly be tagged with {{refimprove}}.

(Both marking for deletion, and adding tags, are easier with WP:Twinkle). ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: I agree with ColinFine. As an FYI: You can ask for an article to be deleted by putting the text: {{subst:Proposed deletion|concern=reason for proposed deletion}} at the top, replacing "reason for proposed deletion" with your reason. Anyone can disagree with your request; all they have to do is remove the tag. If the tag stays there for seven days, an administrator will review. If the tag is removed, the article won't be deleted. Usedbook (talk) 22:16, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Iljhgtn. There is a book called Radicalism in Mediterranean France that has significant coverage of Ulysse Pastre. Cullen328 (talk) 23:29, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

how do I "Tag" an article ColinFine? Iljhgtn (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

You add an appropriate template: see WP:Cleanup tags. As I said, WP:Twinkle makes this easer. ColinFine (talk) 10:27, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

you think i should get twinkle then? Iljhgtn (talk) 13:56, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

i dont see how to add this twinkle thing Iljhgtn (talk) 13:56, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Per the instruction on the Twinkle documentation, you should go to Special:Preferences, navigate to Gadgets, check the Twinkle, and then click Save. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 16:02, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

cool i just added the twinkle Iljhgtn (talk) 19:56, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

other than the twinkle are there other gadgets that i should get? what are the best gadgets other than the twinkle Iljhgtn (talk) 19:56, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello

Hello. May I have a glass of earl grey please?

Contributor 118,784 (talk) 18:35, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Here you go!

ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Citation error help-magazine url

Polka Dot Shorts Mobile view. Was working on this and added the citation via the magazine citation template. The link shows up but after it has “ cite magazine : Check |url= value (help)” I read through the linked help page thought it was a space that was an issue but it’s still saying the same thing. Any help appreciated!! Trey hodges (talk) 20:28, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Trey, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have fixed it, but I'm not sure what was wrong. I think there must have been a non-printing character embedded in the URL. I went to the page, copied the URL and pasted it in in place of what was there. ColinFine (talk) 22:17, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Moved table of contents button for articles now can't find it

Hello thank you love you don't do drugs Dudanotak (talk) 22:44, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Table of contents is displayed on the left for the vector 2022 skin. You can change your skin back at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Curly problem

I inadvertently created a redirect with an (almost) identical title to an existing article, the difference being the existing article (Sculptors’ Society of Australia) had a curly quote. I'm surprised that it's possible to create an article title that contains a character not available on a standard keyboard. Is this one the only such title? I have requested a non-controversial technical move, but can someone with the necessary skills check? Doug butler (talk) 22:44, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Doug butler, many articles with non-standard symbols exist. For example, China–United States relations contains an WP:ENDASH. The frequently-vandalized ඞ exists too. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:49, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks SGT, I didn't think that through properly. One difference is that the curly quote is deprecated while endash is (in such constructs) demanded. And I doubt the software would permit me to construct a separate article [[China-United States relations]] . Doug butler (talk) 23:07, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Doug butler: Nearly all Unicode characters can be in MediaWiki page names. China-United States relations with hyphen redirects to China–United States relations with en dash in accordance with the guideline at WP:ENDASH but it would certainly be possible to make a separate article. En dash alone "–" redirects to another article than hyphen "-". URL encoding makes it possible to write all url's with a standard keyboard, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93United_States_relations where %E2%80%93 is en dash. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:52, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Increase pending changes activity

Hello! A few months ago, I became a pending changes reviewer and have since then used the permission only about a dozen times. Besides monitoring this feed, are there any recommended ways to increase participation in this program? Feel free to refer me to a different discussion space or someone with expertise! ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:31, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Pbritti, pending changes reviewer is not super necessary, since any autoconfirmed user can revert or build on the edit, and have the edit automatically approved. Unlike WP:NPP or WP:AFC, there is very little backlog because there is so little volume. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:36, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, I feel a little better about my limited use of the tool. Thanks! ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple: I don't think that is entirely true, based on the first question in the FAQ at Wikipedia:Pending_changes. Reverts are accepted automatically but not edits. RudolfRed (talk) 02:18, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

block this overhead

in the case of a handful of users and ips making disruptive edits a select few articles with the exact same things (in this case the articles on vídeo brinquedo and mockbusters), is it better to request protection on them, suggest that the people be blocked (again, for one particular ip), or is it a matter of personal opinion?

in the latter case, i'll probably just do both and call it a day cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 14:02, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

...nevermind, the ip got blocked again. the discussion leading to the block was one comment long. thanks, carpimaps cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 14:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Move / publish a page from my personal space

I recently asked for a page to be imported from German wikipedia (de:Stephan_Grill) to my personal space (user:Applepii/Stephan_Grill), so I can translate it to the English. I translated the page and I don't know what the next step would be, so someone can review it for publishing it in the English wikipedia. Do I use the "move" button? Thank you for your help! Applepii (talk) 12:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Applepii, "Einzelnachweise" (one of the headings) isn't one of the better known items of the English language. "Physics of Life" is a substantial section -- yet completely unreferenced. Make sure that it's referenced. -- Hoary (talk) 12:20, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I have added a box with a submit button and translated some things.[6] Category names are still in German. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:31, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I references Physics of Life and translated the according categories. Thank you also for adding the submit button. I did submit it now. Applepii (talk) 15:00, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Inserting images

I accidentally put an image at the start of an article instead of where it should go, so I backspaced it. Now, when I try to put it in the correct spot, it says it’s a duplicate and will only allow me to paste a link. Help! CitrusSoEpic (talk) 15:45, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Citrus, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are getting a message about duplicates, it sounds as if you are trying to upload the image a second time; but you don't need to upload it again to put it in an article. You have uploaded File:Flag of Utah (new).jpg to Commons, and can insert it in an article as many times as you like.

However, I'm dubious about its copyright status. You have uploaded it as "own work", and have made a specific legal statement I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby publish it under the following license. How can you claim to be the copyright holder of a flag? Even if you made this image, somebody else owns the copyright on the flag (unless it has been placed in the public domain, which I know many US Federal images have, but I don't know about state images). I urge you to go to c:File:Flag of Utah (new).jpg and either i) clarify how it is that you own the copyright, or ii) if you have evidence that it is in the public domain, make that clear, or iii)nominate it for deletion.

Alternatively, is the image actually different from File:2022 Utah Flag design.svg, which does claim that that is Public Domain? If it is, you need to explain at your image's description page how and why it is different, as well as sorting out the copyright. If not, you can use that image in the article, and nominate your upload for deletion. ColinFine (talk) 17:10, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Islamic good message

Islam messenger Ansarisaima6881 (talk) 17:36, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ansarisaima6881 - I am afraid I do not understand what you mean by "Islamic good message". We have a specific guidance on Islamic articles at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles. Please note that, as explained in that guidance, we never allow honorifics such as PBUH or SAW. - Best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 17:42, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

sources in a language i do not speak

hello! I have been trying to fix issues with the article 2021–2022 Luzon sabungeros disappearance and have encountered difficulties- the copy-edit is for length and so summarization is needed, but it is difficult to figure out what is essential information to keep because I do not speak Tagalog, the language of many of the news articles that are sources for the page. is there a tag i could put on it for this? Lilacsoutofthedeadground (talk) 17:41, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Have you tried asking at WP:PINOY or WP:PTN yet? -- asilvering (talk) 18:14, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

How to embed an audio on a talk page?

I tried to embed two audios saved on Wikimedia here but failed to do so correctly and so, finally, I posted it them as external links. How do I embed those audios on the talk page there without any external link/s?-1Firang (talk) 15:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@1Firang: Hi there! You would first upload the files to Wikimedia Commons (or the English Wikipedia) and then link to those files, just like you would with a photo. See Help:Files for more info. GoingBatty (talk) 17:15, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, 1Firang, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Help:Sound file markup. ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks GoingBatty and ColinFine!-1Firang (talk) 18:17, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Shortdesc in old Vector UI

Are short descriptions behaving strangely for anyone else recently? I now see them as the first line in an article, at the same size as the article body text (they should be in small). Eg at the top of this page it says Welcoming place for new Wikipedians (Edit) immediately above the teahouse banner. I haven't changed anything in my custom css or js files recently. -- asilvering (talk) 18:12, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Sounds like Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Short description text enlarged? — might be worth seeing if there's an answer that'll help you there? — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 18:14, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that's certainly it. Thanks! -- asilvering (talk) 18:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Establishing notability

I began writing an article on Rhoda Lerman, an author, but am unsure of whether she is notable enough. I have her obituary from The New York Times, and NYT has also covered several of her works over the years. There are also scans of newspapers that were uploaded to her website. I am unsure of whether this would be enough to warrant an article about her, am having difficulty finding any other sources, and would be appreciative of any advice or help other editors can offer. Thank you, EndTheory (✉ • ✎) 03:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC) EndTheory (✉ • ✎) 03:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

It says she has "critically praised novels" in her NYT obit, which is a pretty sure sign that she's notable, since authors who have written multiple notable books usually survive AfD discussions. I would start by looking for those reviews. Also, you might be interested in joining WP:WIRED? -- asilvering (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look for reviews. I joined WIRED just now, thank you for introducing me to the WikiProject. EndTheory (✉ • ✎) 18:32, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

References

Contributions to Administrator Noticeboard discussions

Hi. Although I've read the AN pages, I'm still a little uncertain whether or not a non-admin editor who is not directly involved in an incident is allowed or welcome to contribute to a discussion (to make what will hopefully be received as a constructive comment). Seeking confirmation before I go wading in. Rupples (talk) 14:25, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@Rupples: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1191. Yes, you're allowed as a non-involved editor to chime in. If you're unsure about what to say, you can always lurk more. It's never enough. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:31, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@Rupples Yes, it's allowed. Welcome... you never can tell. Go for it and see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:31, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks to you and Tenryuu for such quick replies. I get the point re "Welcome"! Rupples (talk) 14:51, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@Rupples you can use Template:Non-admin comment if you think it would be useful. -- asilvering (talk) 18:17, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment) You mean this. I've been on Wikipedia awhile, yet there's always places in Wikipedia's arsenal of guidance one hasn't ventured and that template page is one of them! Thanks very much for the info. Rupples (talk) 18:43, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Nathaniel Parker Willis' Daughter

I was looking through my university's archival collection, and I found a travel log text by Nathaniel Parker Willis that is dedicated to his daughter Imogen. While looking into the author I noticed that there is no mention of Imogen anywhere on the page. I don't want to make an edit based off of just one text, does anyone else know of any mention of a daughter by him?

Here's a link to the Wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Parker_Willis

Here's an online version of the text: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t2p55fh9m&view=1up&seq=25 Malonekat (talk) 20:09, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Malonekat, under #Literary career, the article says: He and Stace had a second daughter, Imogen, who was born June 20, 1842. So his daughter is mentioned. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 20:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Should music/album on discographies really link to external links?

Stumbled on Neal H Pogue and I am wondering if the tracks on his discography should be allowed to link his Apple Music rather than being plain text or linked to wiki articles if there were any. Danidamiobi (talk) 21:32, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse! No, this use of external links is not appropriate. See WP:EXTERNAL: "With rare exceptions, external links should not be used in the body of an article." I don't think this is one of those exceptions, having checked Wikipedia:WikiProject_Discographies/style and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Musicians/Article_guidelines. WPscatter ^t/_c 21:38, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Keep getting flagged for promotion. Not seeing any issues.

Hi!

Attached is my draft of an article about a Brooklyn-based contemporary art gallery: draft: Welancora Gallery. I'm new to editing on Wikipedia and I have attempted to get my draft through multiple times. However, each time I get flagged for promotional language. Each sentence in my draft is thoroughly sourced with articles from established independent sources, none of the websites that are referenced were written by the gallery itself. Each source that I used says something almost verbatim what is in the submission to avoid any subjectivity and but also explicated enough to avoid plagiarism.

Each time I get declined, the response times get shorter and shorter. Which in one hand is really great that Wikipedia reviewers/editors are eager and ready to help out aspiring article writers. But on the other hand, one of my submissions was declined so swiftly and with such little explicit explanation that I must question if the new and edited submission was read or regarded.

I may be getting unfair strictness from reviewers because I signed the COI declaration. The requirements to sign a COI declaration are vague, I signed it to not only because I care about Wikipedia's encyclopedic integrity, but also because I wanted to ensure that I would not get flagged or any troubles down the line for volunteering to write this article for the gallery. I must make it clear, I am not getting payed to write this article. I volunteered because I love to write and edit. I am not getting any promotional benefits from writing this article, even if the language I used was subjective (which it is not, it is source-based).

In my most recent submission, I removed anything that I could see was encouraging language.

I mirrored the format and structure of other NYC galleries with published Wikipedia articles, ours is incredibly similar in tone and style.

I would appreciate any guidance because I would hate to see this get discarded.

Thank you for your help, INJCurator (talk) 18:53, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @INJCurator: you clearly have a relationship with this subject. For that reason, as well as the way this draft has been written, with much of the content unsupported by referencing, I'm guessing you've pretty much written what you wanted to say about the subject, and then found a few sources that may or may not support what you've written. Would that be a fair comment?

Instead, what you should do is find reliable and independent secondary sources that have on their own volition published significant coverage of the subject, and then summarise (in your own words, and without putting any spin on it) what they've said. This achieves a number of things. Firstly, it establishes that the subject is notable, meaning worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. Secondly, it ensures that everything in the draft comes from sources that don't have an interest in promoting the subject. And thirdly, it allows the reader to verify that what is being said is likely to be correct.

Currently, this draft IMO cites at best only one such source, namely the Cultured piece; we need at least a couple more like that.

Until such time as the draft has been based on coverage from independent sources, it is inherently promotional, because it is you telling the world about the gallery, not summarising what others have said about it. (You may wish to see WP:YESPROMO which elaborates on this point.) Until then, it is also not possible to accept this draft, because notability, which is a core requirement for inclusion in Wikipedia, has not been demonstrated. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

At this point, I don't know what to do. I wrote eight sentences, all are fact supported by secondary sources. Can you tell me which references and which sentences to remove to get approved. The sentences I have written follow exactly what Greene Naftali Gallery, Jenkins Johnson Gallery, and Marianne Boesky Gallery have modeled on their pages, and the tone, structure, and types of sources are similar as well. Any specific edits would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your help. INJCurator (talk) 14:55, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, INJCurator. You have modeled your draft on one article rated Stub and two articles rated Start. That is roughly equivalent to modeling your homework assignment on the work of the worst of your fellow students. You should select Good articles and Featured articles as models. Your "Major exhibitions" section is referenced only to the gallery itself. We need independent reliable sources to determine that an exhibition is major, not the gallery. I was optimistic that you referenced four different New York Times articles. I am a subscriber, and so read those four articles. None of them devote significant coverage to the gallery. They are just passing mentions and are therefore of no value in determining notability. That was disappointing. You need to identify several independent reliable sources that devote significant coverage to the gallery as a business venture, not articles that briefly mention that works by Artist A were shown at the gallery. Eliminate every single word and sentence that is not verified by a reliable source, summarize the significant, independent coverage, and only then resubmit. Cullen328 (talk) 17:42, 15 June 2023 (UTC).

I also recommend that you read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) carefully. Cullen328 (talk) 17:47, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

What about "A Rare Black-Owned Art Gallery Lands in Chelsea"? I don't have an NYT subscription, but that seems likely to be sigcov? -- asilvering (talk) 18:31, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Asilvering, you might think so, but that NYT article is about a different gallery in the Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan. The Welancora Gallery is in Brooklyn, and is mentioned only fleetingly: A veteran of the field, Vassell said she is keenly aware of pioneers, such as June Kelly in SoHo, and of smaller galleries owned by Black women, including Welancora in Brooklyn, founded by Ivy N. Jones, and Housing on the Lower East Side, run by KJ Freeman. That is clearly a passing mention that does not establish notability. Cullen328 (talk) 18:49, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hm, that's too bad. But it does suggest that the place is notable - you don't just namedrop a gallery no one has ever heard of like that, especially not in a sentence with "pioneers" in it, unless they're pretty well-known. Here's another useful source for the article: [7]. Part of it is an interview, but this isn't promo churnalism, it's a full editorial. -- asilvering (talk) 19:26, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

My view is the source you've highlighted doesn't count towards notability. The content is not independent of the gallery as it's an interview with the owner. Questions are posed and answered but there is no added comment by the interviewer. The only independent comment is the paragraph below the two pictures (towards the top of the piece), but that doesn't amount to significant, indepth coverage as required by WP:ORGCRIT. Rupples (talk) 21:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. That is why I said "Here's another useful source for the article", and not "here is solid evidence of notability" or somesuch. -- asilvering (talk) 21:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

same name

Hi, I am creating a page for an Actor who happens to have the same name as a Professional Rugby player.

How is this managed?

SiChandler (talk) 21:30, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Per the disambiguation guidelines, if your article is accepted, editors will have to determine which subject is the primary topic for that name. The primary topic's article will have the name as the title, and the other one will be either "Name (actor)" or "Name (rugby player)". (Or, if neither is the primary topic, the name will be a disambiguation page that links to both.) WPscatter ^t/_c 21:51, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Great thank you very much. SiChandler (talk) 21:53, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, SiChandler, and welcome to the Teahouse. In the long run, the answer is that one or both of the articles will have a disambiguating word in parenthesis in their titles - eg Will Rowlands (actor) or Will Rowlands (rugby player). But since you've (appropriately) created and submitted a draft, you don't need to worry about this: the reviewer who accepts your draft will sort out the naming appropriately. ColinFine (talk) 21:51, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Great thank you very much SiChandler (talk) 21:53, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Notifications

In setting my preferences for notifications, I am asked about Web, Email and Apps. What does this mean? Do these refer to the manner in which I receive notifications?

Also, I see that notification can be triggered by a reversion, but suppose someone simply modifies an edit that I made (in an article that I myself may or may not have authored), or removes the material by simply deleting it, without using "undo". Is there a way for me to be notified of this? Johsebb (talk) 22:37, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

You can receive notifications in three places: on the desktop website, on the mobile app, and by email. You can choose to have all notifications go to all three if you like. I assume most people save email only for notifications they consider to be most important.

There is no way to be notified of a manual revert as far as I am aware. The best you can do is to keep the page on your watchlist, or check in on it periodically. -- asilvering (talk) 22:53, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Willem Ombelet page

Hello, I have a question about the content I added. Apparently any factual information based on external sources, like education, work, etc is flagged. In this particular case, the data come from a page in a magazine founded by Willem Ombelet, a peer-reviewed magazine he is editor-in-chief of. The data are correct. I wonder what the problem is? Karzel666 (talk) 11:41, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome Karzel666,

If you are just putting external links into the body or are sourcing off of them in the External links section, then they may have been flagged and the body links may have been removed. See WP:EXT. If you can explain a bit further on what you are talking about then I can go deeper. ✶Mitch199811✶ 12:58, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy to Teahouse Hosts: Draft:Willem Ombelet, last declined in April. David notMD (talk) 13:48, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

The hyperlinks (and copyright violation) appear to have been removed from the text, but this leaves many of the proposed sections without references. David notMD (talk) 13:52, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Karzel666 should be queried about COI/PAID, as this draft is the only editing from this account. David notMD (talk) 23:42, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Some articles' titles are italic?

I'm confused, some articles are italic and some are not. Like Pokemon Trading Card Game. Why is the title italic? Waterard (talk) 22:13, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Waterard, and welcome to the Teahouse. The list of things to be in italics in MOS:ITALICTITLE includes Video games, board games, trading card games. ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Waterard and ColinFine: There also exist articles whose titles are partially italic and partially upright, for example: Harry Potter (film series). CiaPan (talk) 06:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Research institute in Iran

Hello, I want to write an article about a research institute in Iran. Due to the limited access to the Internet, I was able to find a series of news and websites that mentioned the Royan Center, for example, one of these sources was for UNESCO, in which Royan was mentioned. Written, but the article was not registered. My question is how can I find more resources about this important institution like Royan with limited internet access? In addition, I must say that Royan Institute has been an independent page for years and when I wanted to update its information, the page was completely deleted. Please help me to create this page . Thank Katrina masbin (talk) 07:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC) deleted. years deleted. Katrina masbin (talk) 07:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Mere mentions are not enough. Please read and understand the detailed messages on your talk page, and read WP:INDEPENDENT to understand what we mean by independent sources. I suggest you also study WP:YFA. --Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:07, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

What's the role of teahouse hosts?

I've been a regular here, but I am still confused about what roles Teahouse hosts have here. Is their job to clerk discussions? Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 02:47, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps: As far as I can tell it just means you call yourself a host, and I understand your confusion because nowhere does it clarify the meaning of being a host - Apmh 03:42, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Back when the Teahouse started one of the fundamental aims was to create a welcoming space - introducing the "hosts" who would be answering questions was part of that process. Rather than being helped by unknwon Wikipedian's you could be helped by people who had nice introductions and were chosen because of their commitment to maintaining the friendly environment being targeted. I think it was a good idea - part of making this a bit special. - Bilby (talk) 04:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps Those who regularly provide answers at the Teahouse (like myself) may or may not formally be hosts: I am not. Those who have volunteered for the formal title have their names rotated through the welcome banner at the top of the page. They sign up using this page, which contains the criteria to do so. There are many historical accounts of the setting up of the Teahouse and the host system in the archives of its Talk Page. The most recent of these is WT:Teahouse/Archive_26#Deletion of inactive Teahouse hosts, if you are interested. Teahouse hosts do not have a "job to clerk discussions", or any other job. They are just people who believe they can assist the overall Project by answering questions from mainly novice editors, without expressing irritation when the same questions come up repeatedly. To be clear: anyone may answer questions here at the Teahouse but the main expectation is that the answer you give should be accurate and in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Why?

Why do bots come here and just delete peoples questions do they want the people to not find the answer? WONKAKlD (talk) 19:18, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, WONKAKlD, and welcome to the Teahouse! Questions are archived after 2-3 days with no new comments in the topic, but these questions are still available. You can search the archives using the box right below the table of contents at the top right of the page. If questions were never archived and simply remained on the page, the page would be so long that it would be near-impossible to navigate - here is an example of a recent archive, and there are 1191 archives just like that one. If you're looking for questions you have asked previously, you can find them in your contributions. It isn't that big of a deal if questions are asked multiple times, people are happy to help. Tollens (talk) 19:27, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@WONKAKlD I agree it can be irritating to find that your question has been archived and, even if you see it in your contribution history the link there won't work because that link is not updated to the new archival location. The solution is to "subscribe" to the thread where you asked the question: you do that by clicking the link to the far right at the beginning of the thread's title: the Why? in the case here. Once subscribed, you will receive notification every time a new edit is made in that thread AND you'll be notified when the thread is archived so you'll know it won't get any more answers. The "subscribe" tool is available on all Talk Page sections and each acts independently so I find it extremely useful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@WONKAKlD:: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1191. In addition to the answers you've been given above, you may want to try out the Convenient Discussions script. Not only does it provide some more features than the current Discussion tool as well as highlight new responses and yours, if you look for a section that's archived, the script will try and scour through the page's archives to see if it can find it for you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: WONKAKlD

How to write on a talk page?

Hi, I am confused about how to write on a talk page. I was editing a couple of Wikipedia pages just fine but when I went to edit a talk page it wasn't clear. Could someone please help me with this? Hemmingweigh (talk) 12:15, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Hemmingweigh and welcome to the Teahouse. All pages are edited the same way but the details depend on the editor you are using and whether the Talk Page already has something on it or is blank. So, please let us know which editor (visual or source) you are using and please place a link here to the Talk Page you want to edit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:20, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

The help page Help:Introduction to talk pages/1 is a helpful starting point. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 13:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

User:Minister Joseph Lb

Hello. I'm not sure how to ask an administrator but please could someone remove this user page from Category:Worship and the other content categories they have added themselves to. They also have a sandbox page with the same problem. Thank you in advance. 2A02:C7C:ACA7:4600:49DC:2D0:4F4:293A (talk) 04:34, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Self promo now deleted. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:02, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! When you spot this issue in the future, you can edit the user page to change the categories to category links by adding an extra colon. (e.g. [[Category:Worship]] to [[:Category:Worship]]). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:13, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Reversion

Suppose I edit an article on day X, and then I edit it further on a later day Y. If someone wants to revert edit X, will that also revert edit Y? Johsebb (talk) 22:30, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

No. And usually they cannot revert X, unless they manually edit the article and remove the text, because the edits in Y make an automatic revert impossible. However, if someone else wants to revert everything after and including X, they can do that by restoring the article to a previous version. -- asilvering (talk) 22:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering: So how does one revert a number of edits (say 10-12 edits) all together?-1Firang (talk) 02:17, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@1Firang Go to the article history, click on the version you want to revert back to, and then click "restore this version" (should show up in a box at the top of the screen). -- asilvering (talk) 02:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering: I presume that this can't be done on a mobile?-1Firang (talk) 03:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@1Firang I would assume it can, but I don't use the mobile app, so I can't tell you how. -- asilvering (talk) 03:27, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

It can if you're in desktop view. Maybe otherwise too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks Asilvering and Gråbergs Gråa Sång.-1Firang (talk) 15:45, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Where’s best to take a question about ‘language barrier’ editors.

So I’m kind of a returning editor (my User Page will fill you in), and a report (I think it was either at AN or ANI) where an editor got snagged as using ChatGPT, got me thinking.

We surely have our share of editors who get CIR Blocks, under language barriers. Could these editors contribute productively on a wiki in their language? AGF says Yes, right? But all these people know is ‘that one big Wikipedia’. How much do we realistically point these users in the direction of other wikis, in their language, where they can thrive?

I suspect that one of the Village Pump’s areas is where to take this, RFC definitely doesn’t seem to be, but I could use a second opinion (so not WP:3O compatible, haha!) on where to take such a suggestion. MM ('"HURRRR?) ^(Hmmmmm.) 12:02, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, we have the Wikipedia:Local Embassy; also ,we have different templates to welcome non-english speakers and point them towards their language Wikipedia. These can be found under Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English/Templates for user talk pages Lectonar (talk) 12:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Ooh, okay that last one is very much in the right direction. Where would I find stats on how much these templates are used? If you’re wondering where I’m going with this, I’m wondering if existing tools are actually enough to keep ‘horrible English, but otherwise productive’ editors within Wikimedia space, and if the tools aren’t enough, we can at least establish that they’re not, and try to figure out how to improve this situation. Less misguided CIR and NOTHERE (due to language barrier) blocks is always a good thing, right? Or am I looking for a solution in search of a problem, as I saw someone else say? The problem may be much smaller than I suspect, as far as I know. MM ('"HURRRR?) ^(Hmmmmm.) 13:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Matticusmadness: statistics, I have no idea, and yes, I saw that you are talking editor retention. But having been on here some time, and being rather active in many things concerning translations and the like, the problem might be not as great as you see it. We have those who make honest mistakes, they come to EN because they followed a "wrong" google link (or just had automatic translation activates); those are easy candidates, and won't get blocked here...they will disappear direction "native language Wikipedia" after having been shown the way. Then we have the ones trying to shoehorn in articles which have been deleted in "their" language Wikipedia; those are a bit more problematic, but will be dealt with via the deletion process and the like: they tend to lose interest. I won't talk about CIR blocks because I lack experience, but I have the impression they aren't that frequent, anyway. All in all, from the WP:PNT point of view, I see no great problems. Lectonar (talk) 13:46, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Deletion Process as long as Ed Poor doesn’t repeat his crowning achievement, you mean. ;) Happy to trust your experience, and admit I may have gone a smidge WP:SLOP on this one. Cheers Lect. MM ('"HURRRR?) ^(Hmmmmm.) 16:36, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Main body reference numbers not changing to fit edits

I am editing 'this article'. I have deleted some references and put in new ones. There is one reference (number 1) I cannot see in the main body but which remains in the reflist. Can I edit the reflist directly? All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 16:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

It looks like that reference is being used in the infobox, under "Awards". The infobox references always come first in the list - I was confused about that for a while too. You can click the ^ next to each reference in the reflist, and it should take you to its position in the article, if something similar happens in the future. Tollens (talk) 16:45, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I see now! It was driving me mad. I have learned a lesson here! All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 17:09, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Short desc formatting - no longer smallified

In the past few days, my (Vector legacy) short descriptions have gone from small to normal font size. Did something change in Vector that would have impacted this to happen in VL? - UtherSRG (talk) 17:15, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah... I see there's a thread on this at Wikipedia_talk:Shortdesc_helper#Short_descriptions_lost_their_styling. Nevermind. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 17:18, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

MOS for lists of Alumni

Does anyone have a good example of a list of university alumni in terms of formatting? I've been looking at the List of New York University alumni and would like to make revisions for consistency (for example, "Educators" is one table on the list while "Professors, researchers and scientists" is a separate table with various award winners in a separate table below that). I'd like to have a good example to refer instead of arbitrarily choosing a hierarchy or format. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Vegantics (talk) 16:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Vegantics I looked at the featured lists at WP:FL and then the individual ones at Social Sciences/Education. This gives plenty of examples, including List of Dartmouth College alumni. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:14, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thank you so much, this is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for articulating your process as well-- it will make it much easier to find these things in the future.

Vegantics (talk) 17:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Advice on formatting entry and references

The UNDRR have a page United Nations Office for Disaster Risk Reduction. There are direct links in-line within the content section 'risk knowledge' to a website owned and run by UNDRR such as [8]https://www.preventionweb.net/ See the 'Risk Knowledge' section. I wanted to add an additional section or link to an educational game resource and website from the UNDRR aimed at schools and universities called Stop Disasters [9]https://www.stopdisastersgame.org/ and the studio who produced it https://playerthree.com/portfolio/stop-disasters.

The addition was removed as possibly considered promotional and also shouldn't have been linked in-line to an external website, plus didn't include enough book or publication references. There are more UN sites that reference the project such as https://unric.org/en/stop-disasters/, https://www.preventionweb.net/publication/play-and-learn-stop-disasters but also academic papers such as https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316010486_Stop_Disasters_20_Video_Games_as_Tools_for_Disaster_Risk_Reduction and https://www.academia.edu/30067608/Stop_Disaster_Game_Experiment_with_Elementary_School_Students_in_Rio_de_Janeiro_building_safety_culture . I would love some help or advice on how to add this project by the UNDRR and in doing some where the external link should be placed and which of the references are more important. Was the link to the website considered promotional? or was it the reference to the production studio who created it? Any help and advice is very welcomed. MrGravois (talk) 21:44, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

MrGravois, the content you added to United Nations Office for Disaster Risk Reduction contained a direct external link, contrary to Wikipedia policy; and was referenced to a source which was not independent of the subject. I'm not surprised that it was removed. Maproom (talk) 20:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hiring editor for American Singer Songwriter

Hi

We are looking for an editor with biography writing skills to write a page for Wikipedia for and an American singer song writer and composer. Look forward to hearing from you soon! TheDuecce (talk) 22:51, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@TheDuecce: This is a volunteer effort. We do not offer writing for hire. If you do hire someone, beware that there are many scams out there. RudolfRed (talk) 22:59, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TheDuecce, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the fact that you're even thinking of paying somebody to write about you on Wikipedia indicates that you have a (very common) fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, which summarizes what independent sources say about a subject, not what the subject says or wants to say. Promotion of any form is forbidden anywhere in Wikipedia.

If you find somebody honest to write an article about you, then they will tell you up front that they cannot guarantee that they can get an article about you accepted, and that if they do get an article accepted, neither you nor they will thereafter control its content, or be able to delete it if you don't like the content. Please read an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 23:18, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TheDuecce. I recommend that you read the Scam warning. Cullen328 (talk) 23:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

This is a website of volunteers. "Hiring" editors is usually discouraged. Professor Penguino (talk) 00:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello TheDuecce. You may want to start your own website so that you will be able to post whatever you feel would be best, and not have to follow all of Wikipedia's strict rules. Also, with your own website, you won't have to worry about other editors coming along and deciding to add information that you would prefer not to have on your page. Best wishes on your promotional efforts. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Biography's editing

Hi, I'm new here. I took the task to improve the biography of Benjamin Schwarz (writer). I haven't found any obvious mistakes & simply added a bulleted list. What else could be improved there? Thank you for your help!BeeJeeJay (talk) 11:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC) BeeJeeJay (talk) 11:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

From your list, BeeJeeJay, I happened to choose architecture. The claim isn't referenced; but no matter, because what's mentioned in the lead of an article is normally stated at more length in the body of the article. But there's a problem: There's no mention of architecture (or none that I notice) in the body. So what's the source for the claim that he's written about architecture? As for other problems, how about "His wife, Christina, is the author of the bestselling novel, Drowning Ruth"? How do we know that she's his wife; and what, if anything, does "bestselling" actually mean? -- Hoary (talk) 12:14, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

BeeJeeJay only changed a comma-separated list to a bulleted list.[10] I don't think the lead is suited for a bulleted list. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:17, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Tsk tsk, I'd been too sleepy/lazy to check the history. BeeJeeJay, check that the inclusion in the list of every item is shown in the body text to be justified. Remove any (such as architecture) that is not backed up, with a solid reference, in the body text. And then convert what's left to a comma-separated list. -- Hoary (talk) 12:23, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Done that, thank you! BeeJeeJay (talk) 09:13, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

I checked, his wife's book's been on Amazon's bestsellers list. 2 questions:

1. How do you usually verify that people are married?

2. Should I create an article about his wife, too? BeeJeeJay (talk) 09:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@BeeJeeJay:, to your questions:

1. The same way you verify anything else in Wikipedia, namely: you find a reliable source that says that they are married, and then you add a citation to the source you found.
2. Writing a new article is a difficult task, and is usually better approached once you are an experienced editor. There's a risk that you could create an entire article, only to see it deleted after all that work. That said, you're not prohibited from attempting it, and if you want to try anyway, see WP:Your first article.

Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 01:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Automatically merge duplicate citations

Is there a way to automatically merge duplicate references into named references? Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 12:57, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps Wikipedia:reFill does that, but not always elegantly. Another way is to name one and replace the other ones with that one manually. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:40, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 13:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps: This is one of AWB's general fixes, but only if there are other named references in the article. GoingBatty (talk) 14:12, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps:, if the duplicate references are named in the style of Visual Editor numeric references, simply consolidating them doesn't always yield wikicode that is any easier for an editor to edit than it was before. In that case, I'd recommend installing the user script User:Nardog/RefRenamer and using that. Mathglot (talk) 01:16, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Paid content creation

I've nominated probably half a dozen articles for deletion, by the same user (Amaekuma), that all follow the same formula of creating pages for Nigerian "entrepreneurs" or "social media personalities" and are entirely made-up of refs from those semi-legit looking paid-promotional articles you're seeing more of nowadays. Is there anywhere to report this? Its getting exhausting nominating pages only for new ones to get created over and over, with no repercussions. Nswix (talk) 00:27, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The most appropriate place for this would be WP:ANI. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 02:23, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Just looked at your talk page and saw this thread. I don't like the look of this. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 02:35, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

How do i prevent recurring vandalism on a page?

Good morning everyone, thank you all for reading this and helping me out :) The page of “Sulaiman Al-Fahim” is subject to continuous vandalism as a few people keep removing valuable and credible information and sources without any plausible cause or reason. Thank you all for your time and help, awaiting your responses and intervention. Jacobmicheal232 (talk) 03:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Jacobmicheal232.

I've checked the article and you are nearing close to an edit war. To prevent further escalation, could you discuss the disagreement with the user or discuss the situation on the article's talk page? 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 03:50, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

St-Domingue Creoles

I am working with a group of students on the St-Domingue (Haiti) emigres who fled to New Orleans during the Haitian Revolution. To my and the team's surprise, they were directed to a page named "Dominican Creoles". Apparently someone or group has decided to rename the St-Domingue or Haitian Creoles as "Dominican Creoles" creating much confusion. The people of St-Domingue have never been referred to as Dominicans which is a much later term used after the creation of the Dominican Republic. Dominican means someone from The Dominican Republic or someone from the island of Dominica. The proper name which is backed by all historical records is St-Domingue Creoles or Haitian Creoles. I would appreciate if anyone could edit that page or send it to the team responsibe. Thank You / Merci. Kreyolbro (talk) 04:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Kreolbro: the article Dominican Creoles does have a note at the top clarifying it should not be confused with People of the Dominican Republic, but this sounds like a conversation you might want to have at Talk:Dominican Creoles. From scanning the titles referenced, it looks like you might have the weight of sources on your side. If you are not able to convince the article's author (it appears to be a solo composition), you can open a move request to solicit wider feedback. Folly Mox (talk) 05:28, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Kreyolbro: Hi there! Are you referring to Saint Dominguans and/or Saint-Dominguans, both of which are redirects to Dominican Creoles? If so, do you think they should redirect to a different article, and if so, which one? If not, which specific redirects/articles are you referring to? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 05:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

A question about an Upwork freelancer potentially misguiding clients

Greetings!

I'm seeking advice and need some guidance. I recently interacted with an Upwork freelancer named Sonali Kavdia. Her Upwork profile can be found at this link: *https://www.upwork.com/freelancers/sonalik.

I realize now that my actions contravened Wikipedia's guidelines, but there's more to the story:

I inquired with Sonali about the notability of my client's project, CookUnity. She assured me that she has close ties with a Wikipedia administrator who could verify the project's notability. After agreeing to this, she responded in a few days, claiming that the Wikipedia administrator deemed the group not notable and recommended creating a page on an alternative website, Wikitia. I acquiesced, and the page was established here:

wikitia.com/wiki/CookUnity

Later, however, I discovered that Wikipedia administrators do not collaborate with paid editors on Upwork, let alone suggest publishing on Wikitia. I would appreciate your advice and comments on the veracity of Sonali's claims. It also seems necessary to delve deeper into this matter, as there's a possibility that the paid editor on Upwork may damage Wikipedia's reputation by potentially propagating misinformation (though I may be mistaken). MitYehor (talk) 08:09, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MitYehor. You need to fully disclose your Paid contributions status immediately. In theory, there is nothing that would forbid a Wikipedia administrator from expressing the opinion that a certain topic does not meet Wikipedia's notability standards, and suggesting an alternative website. In practice, it is difficult to imagine an administrator recommending Wikitia as an alternative, since it has such a mediocre reputation. But the bottom line is that scammers frequently invoke imaginary "Wikipedia administrators" created out of thin air. Honest people will give you the username of the genuine Wikipedia administrator, and you can communicate openly with that administrator. I happen to be a Wikipedia administrator who has done a few consulting jobs through Upwork. I have never edited a Wikipedia page for a paying client, and never will. Instead, I work with them off Wikipedia to help them understand Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and I am completely transparent about my Wikipedia identity and my real world identity, which I also disclose on my user page. In my opinion, a large majority of Upwork "Wikipedia experts" are scammers and liars, although a handful are ethical. Let the buyer beware. Cullen328 (talk) 08:38, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Translating articles into English

Hi, I’ve used Wikipedia a lot over the years, and I thought it would be nice to help out a little bit in return. I’m a professional translator (Russian-English, French-English, Italian-English), so I thought I could work on some articles that need translated into English. However, it seems that English translators cannot translate articles until they’ve made 300 edits to Wikipedia. Is that correct? I’m a bit confused by this, as I don’t really see the connection between editing and translating. CiaranTranslation (talk) 09:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, CiaranTranslation and welcome to the Teahouse. I believe that the content translation tool can only be used by editors with sufficient experience of editing English Wikipedia, because inexperienced editors are less likely to be able to evaluate how appropriate a translation is for English Wikipedia. The problem is that many articles in many Wikipedias are not satisfactorily sourced: a lot of Wikipedias have less stringent requirements on sourcing that en-wiki (and even in en-wiki there are many older articles which would not be accepted if they were presented today).

Anybody can translate an article; but in my view in most cases this task is effectively "write a new article using some text translated from an existing article": the translator is responsible for making sure the result is adequately sourced. The CTT should only be used by those who understand this.

See Translation. ColinFine (talk) 09:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@CiaranTranslation You may find it easiest to start with existing English articles that are tagged with templates like {{Expand Russian}} (3,500 articles) or {{Expand Italian}} (4,200 articles). Then you can be sure your work won't be wasted as the notability requirements here are, presumably, already met. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:01, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

IABot

How do you use it? QuicoleJR (talk) 15:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Found the instructions on m:User:InternetArchiveBot. If you have questions on specific parts of the instructions, please feel free to ask follow-up questions. Cheers, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:38, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Why does it need permission to create and move pages on my behalf? QuicoleJR (talk) 16:41, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps someone else knows. The text in question, for reference:

Hi [user],
In order to complete your request,
IABotManagementConsole needs permission to perform the following actions on your behalf on all projects of this site:
Perform high volume activity
High-volume (bot) access
Interact with pages
Edit existing pages; Edit protected pages; Create, edit, and move pages

Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@QuicoleJR See WP:BOTMULTIOP, in particular the bit about OAuth. The archive bot is one that any editor can activate but your Username will end up in its edit summary and you are responsible for its use. Many other bots run in the background and their edit summaries only contain the name of the bot itself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:08, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, the link to the toolforge site brings you to a page to configure IAbot instead of run it. I've run it before in the past and still made the same mistake the other day. The workflow is to tap the menu button in the corner and go to Run Bot → fix a single page. Folly Mox (talk) 04:53, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! QuicoleJR (talk) 10:46, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Moving pages without redirects

I'm not a page mover, but I moved an MMS list shell, and didn't leave a redirect behind. Is that just a feature of MMS delivery lists, or have I stumbled on a bug. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 11:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Zippybonzo: It appears to be impossible to leave a redirect behind when moving a page with page content model MassMessageListContent (shown on "Page information"). I'm an administrator and usually have a working checkbox "Leave a redirect behind" on move forms. For the pages at Wikipedia talk:Mass message senders#Mass-mail subscription list shells and your example User:Zippybonzo/MMS test list, the box is unchecked, greyed out and unclickable. I assume this is deliberate. As an administrator I can change the page content model so I guess I could change it to wikitext, move it with a redirect and change it back, but then I wouldn't really have moved an MMS delivery list. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia interface

My Wikipedia interface looks like that of a computer. Every time I open Wikipedia on my phone, the letters are so small that I have to rotate my phone to be able to see them properly. It wasn't like this before. What happened? Raquiolinha (talk) 00:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Raquiolinha, welcome to the Teahouse. If there is a "Mobile view" link at the bottom of pages then tap that. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:35, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I did tap that. The letters are still small as hell. It's like it thinks that my phone is a computer. And the strange thing is that with Wikiquote and Wikisource that doesn't happen at all. Raquiolinha (talk) 02:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Did it stop saying "Mobile view"? After tapping it should say "Desktop" instead at the bottom. If it does then I don't know why it's still small. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:34, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Are you using the Wikipedia app? Or are you using a browser on your phone to go to the https://en.m.wikipedia.org mobile website? Or something else? GoingBatty (talk) 03:58, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm using the browser. I don't like the app. Raquiolinha (talk) 07:29, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha If you're still encountering the issue, try going to WP:Enable mobile version and click the "Go to the mobile website" link, this should redirect you to Mobile View. Alternatively, you can also manually append the front of the URL from https://en.wikipedia.org to https://en.m.wikipedia.org. If both solutions fails, try looking through your phone settings, if you've accidentally set the font size to small, you can refer to the following links: For Android (general only) or For iOS. If all three solutions isn't the expected result, you're looking for, kindly provide a screenshot. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:04, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

How do I provide a screenshot? Raquiolinha (talk) 11:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha You upload via WP:FUW by following the instructions there. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Here's the link: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Providing_a_screenshot_for_Teahouse_matters_(or_at_least_trying).jpg Raquiolinha (talk) 13:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: It's the mobile view as it should be but it looks like you have disabled "Enable responsive mode" or "Enable limited width mode" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. They are enabled by default. Try enabling both if they are disabled now. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:41, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Where are those options? Raquiolinha (talk) 14:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: If your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering isn't the default "Vector (2022)" then you may have to select that first. The mentioned options should appear below the skin selection. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:05, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I already selected the skin. letters still small. did you change this on purpose? Is this how I view Wikipedia on my phone now? because it's really messy having to zoom the screen constantly. Raquiolinha (talk) 15:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: The only way I can reproduce your screenshot is by disabling the mentioned options. Do you see the options at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering when "Vector (2022)" is enabled? Are the options enabled? What is the operating system and browser on your phone? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I didn't want you to reproduce my screenshot. That screenshot was to show the issue. Do you mind if I provide you with another screenshot, this time on another Wikipedia site, just to show you how I wanted the Wikipedia interface to be like? Raquiolinha (talk) 19:04, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: You misunderstand: PrimeHunter was unable to replicate the issue as described in your screenshot. It would help if you would answer his questions. If the interface differs on another project it's most likely a skin issue. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

But I didn't want him to replicate the issue. what was in the screenshot was the issue that I wanted to get rid of. Raquiolinha (talk) 19:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Being able to replicate an issue on a different device is an important step in fixing the issue - if they can't figure out how your device is configured they cannot fix it. If you answer the questions they asked, we may be able to help: Do you see the options at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering when "Vector (2022)" is enabled? Are the options enabled? What is the operating system and browser on your phone? Tollens (talk) 19:47, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, I'm using Chrome, if that's what you're asking Raquiolinha (talk) 20:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Do you see the options "Enable responsive mode" and "Enable limited width mode" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering when "Vector (2022)" is selected? Are the options enabled? PLEASE ANSWER! I'm trying to help but you make it hard. I have an iPhone. It sounds like you have an Android device. I cannot test what happens there. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:24, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the late answer. I was sleeping. And yes, I do see those options enabled. Raquiolinha (talk) 09:00, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Thanks for answering. Sorry it doesn't help. Is the text small when you click here: safemode? Is the text small if you log out? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I tried both options. The text remains small. Raquiolinha (talk) 12:00, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: It sounds like an Android/Chrome issue I cannot help with. iPhone uses iOS/Safari. Maybe this can help but I fear it would just mean you have to scroll horizontally to see the whole width of pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

argh. It's alright. Thanks for your help anyway. Raquiolinha (talk) 12:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: There is probably a way to fix it in Chrome but I don't know how. A radical solution is to not use Chrome at all but install the Wikipedia app for Android: Help:Mobile access#Android. Many things will be different from the Chrome you are used to. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I once installed the app, just to see how it was. I didn't like the fact that, like Google, the app also saves my searches. Raquiolinha (talk) 12:43, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Creating a new Article.

What kind of person article can I make in Wikipedia please someone suggest me. KnowledgeHarvest (talk) 13:47, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I recommend that you read WP:Your First Article. Then you can search for notable topics. I find potential notable topics by following red links. You can also look through Wikipedia:Requested articles to find potential article topics. Just make sure that the subject of the article is notable. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 16:06, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey, how do I put images in my userboxes?

I want to put photos to my userboxes "This user loves Twice" and "This user loves Blackpink". Onceboy (talk) 12:30, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

User blocked for sockpuppetry by ToBeFree Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 16:07, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Is this a good way to try to at least limit advertising in a page?

I am editing Applus+ IDIADA, and when I started editing it I saw that it had large amounts of text that felt like advertising. Of course, Wikipedia must remain neutral. But is this a good way, and if not, how can I improve it

Thanks

Signed MyMystry (talk) 06:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MyMystry. If you want to edit that article, your objective should not be to limit advertising language, but to eliminate every trace of advertising language. You can start with the second sentence, which includes the word homologation. That word is some strange combination of jargon and bafflegab, and its presence in the article serves more to confuse rather than to enlighten the readers. Cullen328 (talk) 08:00, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh? I thought that homologation was the standard word when talking of checking whether a vehicle meets all the (very many) standards set for it. (The article does have problems of wording; as an example, I'm stumped by "connected vehicle functionalities".) -- Hoary (talk) 11:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

First thing you can do is to remove WP:Peacock terms.

Secondly, you should remove exceptional claims that come from the company's own website. If something is only featured on the company's website and not on any reliable sources, its probably not important enough for inclusion. Primary sources should only complement the secondary sources, not make up majority of the article. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 16:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

What is a good book based on citations?

What is a good book can have polarized points of view as to what qualifies as "good", based on citations. Does Wikipedia have a policy on this issue? An application of this issue is, for example, where there are articles on publishers that need extended material to remove it from being a stub. If someone writes that some of the books that were published benefited society, is there a standard on what is a good book that benefits society?

 Starlighsky (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure what your question is. Can you reword your question to be more clear? Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 16:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Starlighsky if you are asking about writing about books see Wikipedia:Notability (books). KylieTastic (talk) 16:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Starlighsky (talk) 16:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding sources

Hi Teahouse team: I followed Teahouse member advice on adding sources. Please see here - Have we done this properly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Paul_Werner_Glaser&oldid=1159175516 Andipost (talk) 16:59, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Andipost You have properly added references. However, given the size of the draft, it is still underreferenced. Also, remove any external links from the body of the article and trim the list of 'Notable works'. It appears that multiple people control your account; this is not allowed per WP:NOSHARING. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:07, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

How to make an edit on every page

when you click you wiki account it suggests you to edit article but what is there to edit? Does Wikipedia instantly know when something is wrong? WONKAKlD (talk) 17:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

The suggested edits are controlled by templates placed on articles. For example, Template:Tone or Template:Copyedit would place an article under the 'Copyedit' suggested edits category. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:11, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, WONKAKlD it may be helpful to change your username, since the lowercase l is confusing. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:12, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Wait you can change your username? WONKAKlD (talk) 17:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes. See WP:CHU. ColinFine (talk) 17:20, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I believe that the symbol in question is a lower case letter l rather than an upper case letter I Hence, WONKAKlD but not WONKAKID.

Help

No evidence of wrongdoing provided; discussion over. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

There is this guy called material scientist his blocks don’t last days but MONTHS I do not think this is reasonable/allowed on Wikipedia this is the guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Materialscientist he blocked my friend till NOVEMBER WONKAKlD (talk) 11:07, 17 June 2023 (UTC) @wonkakld: long blocks are very common on wikipedia. they can even last indefinitely. care to tell us what your friend's account is? lettherebedarklight晚安 11:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC) He doesn’t really have an account he’s never showed me his ip address he looked very frustrated and I could tell he wasn’t joking WONKAKlD (talk) 11:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC) Courtesy ping: Materialscientist Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:11, 17 June 2023 (UTC) I saw a lot of other people talk about they say his blocks are long for no reason WONKAKlD (talk) 11:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC) eh, materialscientist is one of the best admins who fight vandalism on wikipedia. the blocks are long to prevent them from vandalising wikipedia for a long time. lettherebedarklight晚安 11:18, 17 June 2023 (UTC) @WONKAKlD The block logs show that Materialscientist has not blocked anyone since you created your account on 31 May. You need to be very careful not to cast aspersions, which is a very serious breach of behavioural guidelines. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:30, 17 June 2023 (UTC) @michael d. turnbull: erm, you spelt materialscientist's name wrong... this is the actual block log. there's been plenty of blocks. lettherebedarklight晚安 11:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC) Oops! Thanks. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:48, 17 June 2023 (UTC) wanna strike that? lettherebedarklight晚安 11:54, 17 June 2023 (UTC) Block duration is explained here. Bear in mind that admins also get frustrated with constant vandalism and would rather not have to block anyone. Shantavira|feed me 11:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC) Okay WONKAKlD (talk) 16:59, 17 June 2023 (UTC) I’m just gonna close this page WONKAKlD (talk) 17:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Getting attention

How does one draw the attention of other editors without being accused of canvassing?-1Firang (talk) 10:55, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @1Firang and welcome to the Teahouse. We'd really need to know the context to answer that question. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi 1Firang. There are some general suggestions about this given in WP:APPNOTE, but it might be easier to give you a more specific answer if you can explain why you think you'd might be accused of canvassing. Does your question have to do with this? If it does, you might be better off continuing the discussion you're having with the administrator who issued the "topic ban" and see what they have to say on the matter first. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:06, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@1Firang This is often done by posting on the Talk Page of the Project(s) which are interested in the article. See WT:CHEM for lots of examples. Just keep your request neutral, without indicating your own opinion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:17, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I am talking about this edit. It has been flagged as canvassing when I was trying to ping 30 other editors who had edited that article before (those who had both view points - for and against). Now I want to know how to do this without getting sanctioned any more (see this - my topic ban)!-1Firang (talk) 12:06, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

The problem there is that the article is a contentious topic with special procedures applying: by choosing a particular set of editors to ping you give the appearance of canvassing, even if that were not your intention. The article has 55 page watchers and it should not have been necessary to ping anyone. There are general ways to resolve disputes described at WP:DISPUTE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks a lot!-1Firang (talk) 18:41, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Random article thing

How many of you edit by using the "random article" thing on the upper left part of your screen? I keep getting random pages about Poland, so I was curious how "random" it truly is? Iljhgtn (talk) 19:26, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: You can actually see how "Special:Random" works here: Wikipedia:FAQ/Technical#random - Apmh 19:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

so there is no way we can each individually configure it to select only certain topics or anything right? Iljhgtn (talk) 14:55, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I think you can use Special:RandomInCategory. Professor Penguino (talk) 21:04, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

That's strange. I usually get random pages about moths. Shantavira|^{feed me} 20:08, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I only get articles about sports -- which I know nothing about, which is funny. I stopped using it, and now I only get obscure Vietnamese villages. It's good to know it's not just something going on with me. Professor Penguino (talk) 00:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I get sports (and insect stub) articles too. Too bad I don't know anything about either to expand. Capsulecap ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:08, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

You can use Special:RandomInCategory to help avoid the 70% of articles that are sports, insects, and villages. Folly Mox (talk) 05:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Professor Penguino (talk) 05:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

oh, i just read this. that is really cool. i will have to try out the randomincategory thing. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:56, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Need help setting up

Hi Teahouse help, I signed up a few years ago to volunteer and I signed back in today and I can't save a new page I am working on in my sandbox. My user name is DCdesign1. Can someone help make my Sandbox active again? I did save what I am working on in a Word doc, so I can try again, as long as my account is re-activated. Thanks! link: User:Dcdesign1 Dcdesign1 (talk) 22:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello and and welcome to the Teahouse. Does an error message appear when you click "publish changes"? 331dot (talk) 22:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@331dot: The page was deleted under G13 - the draft was located at User:Dcdesign1/sandbox. Tollens (talk) 22:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I was confused. DC may visit WP:REFUND. 331dot (talk) 22:18, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Using Generative AI/ChatGPT, etc. to write articles

Good morning everyone. I'd like to know if anyone else uses such AI to write their articles. While it automates what we as editors do, does it do it better? I do not use it myself, but I feel it has potential to do what we do, but faster, and maybe better. And so using it might mean better content can be put out faster. Just like to other editor's views on this. SenatorLEVI 03:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

No it makes alot of things up, and writes in a very biased way. It could work if it is trained on wikipedia editing specifically and not just general purpose, but not ChatGPT. Personally i don't use it anymore Sebbog13 (talk) 04:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

While certainly fast, using a LLM to generate a Wikipedia article does have several significant drawbacks, the largest in my opinion being a lack of sourcing. It is not currently possible to ask any LLM to use reliable sources and cite material appropriately (which is mandatory), and any output may be somewhat or entirely incorrect, while maintaining a confident/encyclopedic tone. Note that the person publishing an edit is responsible for every edit they make; if someone is routinely adding unsourced or erroneous information, the use of AI is not an excuse. However, this doesn't mean that you cannot use LLMs at all - they can be very helpful in providing critique and suggestions for human-written text, creating a general outline of the key points you may want to research (but not the actual content, just a summary to guide you), paraphrasing, or copyediting. Tollens (talk) 04:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

LLMs can be helpful for rephrasing text or summarising information, but they're not yet capable of writing policy-compliant encyclopaedia articles. They make stuff up – including, worryingly, references – don't understand proper encyclopaedic tone, can't assess notability or neutrality, etc. They're certainly faster, but nowhere near good enough to write encyclopaedic text. See this discussion for where the community is at right now on the topic. We recently had a longtime productive editor blocked indefinitely just for suspicion of LLM usage, and there's a current open discussion about whether to create a new criterion for speedy deletion to address LLM-authored text at WP:VPI. Folly Mox (talk) 05:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

could probably be better if trained specifically on how to edit wikipedia Sebbog13 (talk) 05:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely, I don't think anyone means to suggest otherwise, but as of now they simply aren't good enough to meet all of Wikipedia's policies. Tollens (talk) 05:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@SenatorLEVI: Welcome to the Teahouse! I tried using ChatGPT once to write a Wikipedia-like article about a musician. (This musician already has an article, but it's not great.) After trying different prompts, I finally received something that looked like a properly formatted article with footnotes. It was great, until I actually read it. It contained albums that the musician didn't release. Also, every single URL had nothing to do with the musician. When I told ChatGPT that the URLs were wrong, it apologized and provided new URLs, which were also wrong. I didn't end up using anything that ChatGPT suggested to improve Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk) 05:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@SenatorLEVI There is extensive discussion at WP:LLM and its Talk Page. The developing consensus is that such a.i. should not be used either for creating articles or for responding on Talk Pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:28, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

ChatGPT itself had this to say on the subject: "While some editors may consider utilizing AI to automate the writing process and expedite content production, it's important to recognize the potential drawbacks. AI, although capable of enhancing efficiency, lacks the nuanced understanding, context, and creative thinking that human editors bring to the table. While AI can automate certain tasks, human editors possess the ability to exercise judgment, apply critical thinking, and ensure accuracy. Relying solely on AI for content creation may compromise the quality and depth of articles, as AI models are trained on existing data and may not capture the intricacies required for comprehensive and reliable information. Collaborating with AI as a complementary tool can be beneficial, but striking a balance that preserves human expertise is crucial to maintaining the high standards expected from Wikipedia articles." Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

ChatGPT is a limitless source of shit that sounds vaguely plausible with no necessary connection to reality. Bringing it anywhere near Wikipedia would be flagrantly unethical. XOR'easter (talk) 01:44, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Review my Article

Can Anyone Review My article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ReVanced_Extended 103.137.24.197 (talk) 21:55, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Remember to log in before posting. You have submitted your draft and it is pending. As noted at the top, "This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 4,381 pending submissions waiting for review." 331dot (talk) 22:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

(ec) I take it you are User:Cena.aly, just logged out? With a quick once-over, it definitely needs to be toned down. The draft has lots of "user-friendly" and "enjoy features", etc. These sorts of phrases are not neutral. Download instructions and usage recommendations are not appropriate for an encyclopedia. The words "you" and "your" should not be in the article. Fixing those issues would be a good start. Useight (talk) 22:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

If you don,t Mind Can you do that for me, I,m Quite new to this, Instead its My First Draft, So It will be Nice of you, if you can Edit these things for me. Cena.aly (talk) 22:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately we aren't here to be co-authors. Feel free to take your time, we have no deadline here. 331dot (talk) 22:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Cena.aly, and welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at Draft:ReVanced Extended, I'm surprised to see that not one of your sources has "ReVanced" in its title. Not one.

Now, I haven't looked at the sources themselves, and it's possible that some of them do have significant coverage of ReVanced Extended; but I wonder if you might have done what nearly everybody does who tries to write a Wikipedia article before they have spent significant time learning what Wikipedia's requirements are, and written the draft WP:BACKWARD. The fact that a lot of the draft has no references tends to reinforce this impression. ColinFine (talk) 22:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I very much doubt that an app whose website is comprised of headings with lorem ipsum text is ready for a Wikipedia article. You might want to work on that first. --Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 04:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Title ig

How do i change my Wikipedia username Not a Normal Username (talk) 06:28, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Not a Normal Username: see WP:RENAME. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Ty Not a Normal Username (talk) 06:52, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Vusi Thembekwayo

Hi Teahouse team, I have done a couple of tweaks to my article above and others have helped to put it in a better shape to remove the tag on it. Before removing the tag, I need some expected opinions on where to tweak further to give the article shape.

Also, I have asked that the draft form be G7 since the article has been sourced and completed so I need some help to get this done. Thank you all Oceanview1590 (talk) 21:01, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Oceanview1590: I have tagged Draft:Vusi_Thembekwayo for G7 speedy deletion. RudolfRed (talk) 01:41, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I presume this will not affect the main article as the draft link now is also linking the main article in live space. Oceanview1590 (talk) 07:26, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Vusi Thembekwayo is the article. RudolfRed (talk) 01:43, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

RudolfRed Yes, this is the main article so I was advised by Cordless Larry to use the G7 speedy deletion to remove the previous one in the draft since the live article now exists. Thank you! Oceanview1590 (talk) 07:30, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Retrieve deleted source

I just needed help retrieving my source as it was deleted whilst I was working on it

Draft:Pino (musician) Flpino (talk) 06:25, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@Flpino: Your article was deleted due to it being exclusively promotional. It's very unlikely you're going to get it back through WP:REFUND, so try writing the article in a neutral tone, and find the source that you were using potentially using browser history. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 08:00, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Flpino, a representative sample: The opportunity to have his music played on the radio ignited his drive to elevate his music career to new heights. Please read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, carefully. -- Hoary (talk) 08:10, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, I have received a message from Dan that I posted a blank page and it has been rejected, I did this in error but have subsequently tried to submit a completed page, it's all a bit confusing and I would appreciate any help I can get, I am new to this platform and finding it rather bewildering, thanks, Clive Elliott Clivelliott (talk) 09:13, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Answered you at WP:AFCHD. 331dot (talk) 09:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Notability Confusion?

I am making articles for albums and bands I enjoy and I just dont understand I keep getting the lacking notability on them and I see other albums with like 1 link and then mine is almost exactly the same and I dont get the problem. Xstepperson (talk) 04:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately there are a lot of stubs and similarly unsourced articles on Wikipedia as the standards are stricter for new articles than they used to be (and these articles are often deleted as unnotable). You're better off sticking to the notability guidelines rather than using other articles as reference points. Note that both Discogs and Genius are listed at WP:RSP as unreliable and sometimes unreliable respectively, so an article that only cites those two sites as sources will not be accepted. Read over the guidelines I just linked and look for some better sources. If they're out there then you should be able to get the article through. Take a look at Help:Your first article as well, if you haven't already. Good luck! WPscatter ^t/_c 04:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

So you think just Allmusic is good? Because especially the band LeFT im doing has like nothing on them and thats why I decided to make a wikipedia page for it to add easier access to the information. Xstepperson (talk) 04:53, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Have a look at WP:BACKWARD. Wikipedia articles are written on things that are already notable, not just everything that exists, and certainly not to bolster their notability. If there's "nothing on them" from reliable sources then they don't belong on Wikipedia. Find the sources first, then write the article around them. WPscatter ^t/_c 04:55, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Well theres Allmusic but I see what you mean ill just delete it Xstepperson (talk) 05:06, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@Xstepperson, Allmusic is a questionable source. I recommend you read WP:ALLMUSIC. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 11:41, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I have a few questions about creating a new article

I want to make an article for Garten of Banban. Although I believe it is notable, there aren't many publications, articles, or what Wikipedia would conisder "reliable sources" on it. I have a few (would any of these work? I read the notability thing so I know some are marked as usually unreliable but there's barely anything to choose from anyway: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8), but I don't think I'd be able to directly reference any of them other than the official Steam page. I think this topic definitely deserves an article, but with the lack of verifiable attention and notability, I'm not sure it would get approved.

Secondly, a page for the game already exists in the Italian Wikipedia. It has no sources, but is quite extensive, and seems like it would only need a little bit of editing after translation. I'm not Italian and I don't know anything about translating articles though...

Basically, I want to know if you think an article with so few reliable sources would be approved. The Italian article seems like good proof of how notable it is, but maybe that one is actually on its way to deletion...

Also, can I use reference non-English sources on the English Wikipedia?

Thanks Henriio (talk) 11:15, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Henriio. From a quick look at the sources you linked, I can see some issues: Steam isn't a good source as it is a primary source; TVTropes, Markiplier, KnowYourMeme can't be sources as they are user generated.

You say "but there's barely anything to choose from", which to me suggests there are simply not enough reliable sources to establish notability for this game. Not being able to find good sources is a bad indicator.

Note also that the different Wikipedia languages do have different notability policies, so an article existing on the Italian Wikipedia does not necessarily mean it would be accepted by the English Wikipedia. The fact the Italian page has no sources is probably a bad indicator too.

On a positive note though, you can indeed reference non-English sources.

Hope that helps. Qcne (talk) 11:27, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@Henriio, no subject inherently deserves an article on Wikipedia. If it's been covered by enough reliable sources to establish notability, then it can have an article; otherwise, it cannot. Asking how to get an article published without reliable sources is like asking how to make a bird fly without wings. That's just not how it works. WPscatter ^t/_c 16:10, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Talk page access via smartphone

How do I access an article’s talk page using an iPhone or an Android? PaulThePony (talk) 19:56, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@PaulThePony: If you're using a browser on your phone and go to an article (e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman ), you should see at the top left under the article title the words "Article Talk". Click the word "Talk" to go to the talk page (e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Batman ).

If you're using the Wikipedia app, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to go from the article to the talk page, but you could use the search function for the talk page (e.g. Talk:Batman). Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

In the Android app, if you're reading an article, the "three dots" menu at the top right includes an option "Talk page". ColinFine (talk) 20:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Communication issues are outlined at WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Also in the Android app, if you go to the bottom of the page, under the heading "About this article", you will see links to "View edit history" and "View talk page". Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:26, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Please I need Your Guide On An Article!

Hi Again Teahouse Team, I have an article I have been working on in my sandbox for a couple of months now and I need some help with suggestions and feedback before I get it published to the live space to avoid any tag. I think I have done a lot of research on it and wanted to make sure that everything is in good shape before publishing it. Any suggestions, please? Many thanks Oceanview1590 (talk) 21:11, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello. I assume you are referring to your sandbox1. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit it for a review and get feedback. 331dot (talk) 21:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, yes it is. Thank you so much for doing this. Much appreciated! Oceanview1590 (talk) 07:22, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Vusi Thembekwayo now an article. But needs work. David notMD (talk) 14:07, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

David notMD, this question was about User:Oceanview1590/sandbox 1. It's the section above that's about Vusi Thembekwayo. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:13, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

My error. I struck my comment. David notMD (talk) 14:14, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

In the Article contributions section, remove all mention of his participation on and interactions with panels. Ditto the list of minor awards. David notMD (talk) 16:50, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Article Idea

Would an article about the laws surrounding bigfoot hunting in every American state be considered noteworthy enough, or not? It would be a serious article in tone, with information about actual real laws regarding hunting of Sasquatches. I know this is kind of a stupid question, but I've been thinking about it for a while. HarmfulHurdle91 (talk) 23:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Can you find any sources to suggest that it’s a subject that deserves an article? Have a read of this, as article subjects need to be notable, to be kept on Wikipedia. MM (Errors.) ^{(Successful Ops)} 01:06, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

In addition, try WP:BACKWARD. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:44, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@HarmfulHurdle91: The Bigfoot article doesn't seem to mention any such laws. If you have reliable sources, maybe start by adding a new section in the Bigfoot article, or a suggestion at Talk:Bigfoot with details about your sources. GoingBatty (talk) 03:31, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try the Bigfoot talk page. Thanks for your help. HarmfulHurdle91 (talk) 14:57, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I would be curious to know if any US state has a law specific to looking for bigfoot. 331dot (talk) 15:23, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

A law was passed in Skamania County, Washington in 1969 (on April 1, if that's relevant) making it illegal to hunt bigfoot.[11] The law was revised in 1984.[12]

A law was proposed in Oklahoma in 2021 which would establish a bigfoot hunting season, but I don't believe that it was passed.[13]

Not a law, but the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department stated in 2012 that it is legal to hunt bigfoot in Texas. [14] CodeTalker (talk) 17:01, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Is there a possibility to include correct pronunciation of names of noteworthy people? 2407:C00:6003:25F9:1:0:1BC8:DCCC (talk) 06:12, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Andre Agassi is an example of an article that uses both {{IPAc-en}} and {{respell}} to explain the proper pronunciation of his name. GoingBatty (talk) 06:16, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Some infoboxes have a "pronunciation" field. Most don't (I think that is a problem) and those that do often do not use it (many editors don't know it exists or find it more useful to place in the first sentence). If you find an article that needs this sort of detail added and you don't know how to do it yourself, you can add a {{Pronunciation needed}} tag. DMacks (talk) 18:20, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

What articles to nominate

How do you determine which articles you should nominate for good/featured article status? I have worked on many articles, but have so many nominations that I'm unsure if I should keep nominating them. AFH (talk) 21:25, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@Augustios Paleo: I guess it would depend on whether you think an article clearly meets or is quite close to meeting the criteria for GA or FA status. I'd imagine many editors improving articles specifically for the purpose of eventually attaining such status are doing so with those criteria in mind. Most articles aren't GA or FA quality from the get go and require some serious effort on the part of one or more dedicated editors to help them eventually satisfy the relevant criteria. While it's probably not always the case, I'd imagine that most FA articles are ones that were at one point GAs and then continued to be improved upon. May be the thing to do if you come across an article that you didn't create or contribute significantly too would be to check its corresponding article talk page to see if there've been any posts related to GA or FA stuff. You could also check the article's page history to see whether there's one or more editors who have been making some serious contributions to it recently. Someone might actually have been or been working towards GA or FA status and you don't just want to jump in out of nowhere and make it seem as if you're taking over things. For articles you've created or significantly improved yourself, you probably just self-assess as to whether you think a GA or FA nomination will have potential to pass or whether it will be dismissed asap. You don't want to nominate too many articles that are going to end up being declined asap because that could be seen as making frivolous nominations. Another good thing to do would be to add WT:GAN and WT:FAC to your watchlist, and actively participate in the discussions there because that could give you better insight into how things work. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Augustios Paleo, I'll just comment on GA. Just reading, digesting and thinking about comments and requests can take quite some time. The further reading and rewording can add a lot more. And some nomination processes can balloon (example). Perhaps I'm an unusually feeble editor, but I'd never undertake to deal with more than one GA at one time. How many could you handle simultaneously and well? -- Hoary (talk) 23:47, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library

I got a partial block for 2 whole weeks and now I can't use The Wikipedia Library; the problem being that all the articles I usually edit require scholarly articles as reliable sources, which I would normally access through The Wikipedia Library. Is there any work-around on this? Or am I basically restrained to edit on Wikipedia for two weeks? Many thanks. SpaceEconomist192 ✐ 13:45, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The workaround would be for you to appeal your partial block and thereafter not get blocked in the first place. 331dot (talk) 14:01, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Since I can't do anything productive I will just nominate articles to be deleted, I guess. SpaceEconomist192 ✐

SpaceEconomist192 Why do you not appeal your block, and why do you assume that the only productive thing you can do is nominate AFDs? 331dot (talk) 14:39, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Your partial block applies to only one article. There are still lots of things you can do to positively contribute to Wikipedia without the Library. Or, you know, take a break. WPscatter ^t/_c 16:13, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@SpaceEconomist192: I don't understand why a partial block would prevent you from accessing resources in the Wikipedia library? The resources available there (newspapers.com etc.) have no relation to your partial block. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:46, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The home page for the library does say "no active blocks" is a requirement for access. 331dot (talk) 16:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Aargh! "Since I can't do anything productive I will just nominate articles to be deleted, I guess." Therein lies the problem with so many editors on Wikipedia. Rather than expend real effort trying to improve articles, they think they're being constructive by simply nominating stuff to be deleted without putting in any effort beforehand. Nominating articles for deletion can, in itself, be productive, but it shouldn't be a fallback for inexperienced editors who can't think of anything else to do. I despair! Nick Moyes (talk) 00:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

how to gain access to extended protection editing

i wanna know how to gain access to extended protection editing YEAAAAAALOL (talk) 02:09, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Good day,

According to wp:XCON, you need 30 days and 500 edits of experience. ✶Mitch199811✶ 02:13, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Until then, you can use the edit request wizard to request edits on protected pages. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:29, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

ok thanks for the information YEAAAAAALOL (talk) 01:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

its urgent

i was making my wikipedia page/ account for first time so one of my friend told me to take a help from his collogue if u have a problem in anything. he is based in pakistan and i am based in USA. somehow now my account is been locked and all the hard woek that i did is wasted in a way because that page or account is not opening. i need help in this regard to get the access back for my page and upload the last remaining thing done which is just linking the references of my work. your prompt help is appreciated in this matter. Seemab.muzafar (talk) 00:21, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Seemab.muzafar, I quote Seemab Muzafar is a talented Artist, a successful Host, and an avid Traveler. Her passion for exploring new Culture and sharing her experience with others has made her a Popular Figure in Pakistan’s Media Industry her contribution to Pakistani media and culture have earned her a place among the most respected personalities in the country. This was deleted as blatantly promotional. It wasn't me who deleted it; but had I seen it first, I wouldn't have hesitated to delete it. -- Hoary (talk) 00:38, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Seemab muzafar, Draft:Seemab Muzafar (deleted)

hi @Seemab.muzafar and welcome to the Teahouse! the short answer, as Hoary has mentioned, is that it has been deleted. I heavily discourage creating an article about yourself, as not only is it hard for someone new (and harder if they are related to the subject) to write an article, there are also reasons why you may not want one in the first place even if it does get accepted. if you do really want to write an article, I suggest writing about something other than yourself (or anything you are personally connected to), and check out the following policies and guidelines to help you write it: Notability, Reliable sources, and Your first article. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Seemab Muzafar was Speedy deleted, and now Draft:Seemab muzafar has been nominated for SD, as it appears to be a copy or near-copy of the previous draft, which was promotional in wording, without references, with hyperlinks in the text (not allowed). The blocking problem - if still exists - may have been due to you allowing a second person to use your account to work on your draft. Each account must be used by only one person. David notMD (talk) 01:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I have deleted Draft:Seemab muzafar. -- Hoary (talk) 02:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The only way you

The only way you @Could I Get Your Number? 64.188.186.94 (talk) 21:40, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Your edits so far don't suggest to me that you are here to build an encyclopedia; but if I'm wrong and you have a question about using Wikipedia, then feel free to ask the question, coherently. -- Hoary (talk) 22:21, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. Can you specify what questions you want to ask? The person who loves reading (talk) 22:38, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Note:Don’t share any personal information with this user. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 03:46, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Archiving

Hi, im new to editing and am just wondering about archiving (live) websites that I am citing. Is there a bot which goes to the wayback machine, creates an archive, and then adds the link to your citation? BennBluee (talk) 01:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, there is! You can try it at Meta:InternetArchiveBot. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 02:06, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Cool! Looking here (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/InternetArchiveBot) I found this:

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Even if the bot is not running on a given wiki, the Internet Archive create archives of almost every new external link added to every Wikimedia wiki, and has been since 2013. If a bot is blocked or disabled on a wiki, it does not stop this work.

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and looking here (https://iabot.toolforge.org/?page=runpages) the IAbot is active on enwiki (which is the wiki i am editing)

so does this mean the IAbot is already active on english wikipedia and will add archive urls to any external links I add? BennBluee (talk) 02:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't think so AFAIK, IA Bot only archives websites automatically. To actually add those archive links to Wikipedia articles, you need to send a request to archive that page. Some pages are not archivable because of paywalls or other technological restrictions. You need to verify that the archive links are actually useful. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 02:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! BennBluee (talk) 02:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

To clarify, Internet Archive will create archives of websites linked to by wikipedia (you will see "wikipedia outlinks" or something like that in the reason for scan on the IA website). That's an IA process and has nothing to do with editing the articles here; it makes no edits to wikipedia when it does this. That's not the same as the IAbot you can use to add archive links to articles. -- asilvering (talk) 04:06, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Your main question has already been answered, so I'm just putting this here to clear something up: The Internet Archive operates independently of Wikipedia and it has its own bots crawling the internet and archiving pages without any input from us, as well as people who archive pages manually. It's a fantastic resource that we use a lot, but it's not part of Wikipedia, it's its own thing. You can look up archived links or archive them yourself if you go here: https://archive.org/web/ - there is a pretty good chance that the pages you're using have already been archived. ReneeWrites (talk) 10:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

New article, (non-)independent sources

Hello,

I really need help with my article I drafted: Draft:Mykola Gnatovskyy

I spend a lot of time creating it, so I would be really grateful, if it wasn't in vain. I am a bit frustrated, because everytime I fix something that is critizised, something new comes up, so it would be really helpful, if some lovely soul out here could tell me more in detail what needs to be changed.

The last thing that came up was that the article relies too much on non-independent sources, so it would be soooo helpful, if someone could tell me which sources I used exactly are to be considered independent / non-independent. Also I am wondering if that actually is the case, because standing alone, some of my sources might not be reliabel, but I often have three different sources from different organizations that are telling the same story - doesn't this make it reliable? It would be great, if someone could explain this to me.

Thanks a lot!

Karla Karla.koala (talk) 08:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Karla.koala, the draft currently cites his own CV 35 times. Start by removing each of the 35. -- Hoary (talk) 08:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

ok thanks, I did Karla.koala (talk) 08:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Karla.koala. Having removed those references to his own CV, it might then help us if you identified just the THREE best sources that you think show him to be Notable. You may have fallen into the trap of adding far too much detailed information that cannot be verified from sources independent of him. Buit, to be honest, until his CV has been removed as a sources of 'facts', there's no point doing anything el;se right now. You can use a CV to substantiate a date of birth, but nothing else, please. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:42, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Nick, thank you for your input. I deleted the CV as a source. You might be right about some details.

The following sources are the ones I would consider to best show his notability and to be reliable at the same time, I could not really decide on three, so its five, I hope that is ok. I would be grateful if you could evaluate this point of view of mine and maybe tell me which ones are the best three:

[15]

[16]

[17]

[18]

[19]

Thanks again for your advise! Karla.koala (talk) 09:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi again, Karla.koala Your first source, though official-looking, would appear to be a personal blog, not an institutional one. Whilst its editors are both professors of human rights, I still feel it is not as sound as one managed by the ECHR itself.

That said, our notability guidelines for judges and politicians (see WP:JUDGE) does indicate that a position on an international level makes them notable. I see they are currently a redlink at List of judges of the European Court of Human Rights. The other sources are OK, albeit somewhat 'insider'-based. But WP:JUDGE should mean that an article is merited. Finding mainstream newspaper media that talk about him is helpful, too.

My suggestion is to severely trim down the article to a much, much shorter page by removing lots of trivial achievements. Try to think of this as being a summary encyclopaedia entry, rather than a detailed CV, and you'll probably have more luck when you submit it again for review. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I found this article in an Irish newspaper, which I think is valuable for showing international reporting of his stance on calling for Putin to face war crime charges. I would certainly put that in, whilst cutting out so much other, less important stuff. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:31, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, i recently submitted an article of noted media personality in Nepal, which was deleted.

Deleted with the message:

10:21, 18 June 2023 Jimfbleak talk contribs deleted page Draft:Sareeta Shri Gyawali (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: see WP:COI, WP:RS, [[WP:Notability (people}]]) (thank)

I was wondering why the article was deleted? while similar article are already there. Also there were reliable references too.

What is the criteria to get the article approved? Sujansiddhi (talk) 03:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The article was deleted because it read like an advertisement. Our articles need to be written from a neutral point of view and be reliably sourced, among other things, to be approved. Please read Help:Your first article and the pages I linked above for more information. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 03:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I am newbie and still confused, there are very reliable sources in the article, mostly of the news portal. Is it the tone of the writing? Yes i have also referenced her own website, is that the reason?

It is highly appreciated if i know the exact reason so that i can rectify.. Sujansiddhi (talk) 04:40, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The exact reason is because the tone of the draft wasn’t neutral, it was very bias and only served to promote an individual or product. We also like to use reliable secondary sources, independent of the subject when writing articles, but that isn’t the reason the page was deleted. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 10:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Sujansiddhi You also asked this at AfC. Please don't ask the same question in multiple places simultaneously. -- asilvering (talk) 04:01, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Apologies. Noted. Sujansiddhi (talk) 04:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Bonnie Wright English Actress

I found a video where she claims be of Irish heritage shall make edit to her page? 109.78.178.86 (talk) 17:01, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

where? lettherebedarklight晚安 17:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I found a video saying that black is white.[20] Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:29, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Please familiarise yourself with our rules on sources, at this link. YouTube is not a reliable source, as anyone can make whatever they like, without it being reasonably checked. MM (Errors.) ^{(Successful Ops)} 10:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

subjugation is liberation cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 12:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Let me know if this is fine

I have been sanctioned and would like to avoid any further sanctions (see User_talk:Abecedare#Topic ban), so I feel it is good to ask here before I do anything. For the Rape_in_Afghanistan article, under the section Afghan law, I want to add, "According to Islamic law, rape by the husband (marital rape) is not recognised as an offence. The same is accepted in Afghan law. Prosecution of rape under the category of zina makes rape extremely difficult to prove and exposes the victims to jail sentences for reporting that illicit intercourse was forced upon them. Due to a number of high-profile instances, the risk of being prosecuted for zina creates a strong disincentive for women to report rape in some Muslim countries today." The last two sentences were copied from the Rape in Islamic law article as they were and the first sentence is altered a bit. In the same section, "Afghan law", there is a sentence, "With the support of the conservative and political elite, Afghan courts have taken and continue to take action in efforts to remove, lessen, or limit women's rights" which uses a pre-Taliban takeover source; what can be done about that (remove, edit or replace with a source that says that it is no longer so)?-1Firang (talk) 08:34, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I also want to add, "The Taliban have also abducted and locked up in a house at least twenty to twenty-five young Hazara females who were raped every night, after taking over Afghanistan.". Is this sentence a good paraphrased sentence of what the source says?-1Firang (talk) 08:54, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I would not make the first edit you suggest. The article on "Islamic Perspective on Marital Rape" does not discuss Afghanistan but Indonesia, and "according to Islamic law, rape by the husband (marital rape) is not recognised as an offence" does not strike me as a fair interpretation of what the source says. "The same is accepted in Afghan law" is unsourced. Finally, "Due to a number of high-profile instances, the risk of being prosecuted for zina creates a strong disincentive for women to report rape in some Muslim countries today" is likely to be considered a violation of your topic ban, as the "some Muslim countries" in the source include Pakistan. (And, again, the source does not discuss Afghanistan!) Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

What about the second proposal? I want to add it to the Rape_in_Afghanistan#Afghan Taliban section.-1Firang (talk) 10:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

As for your second proposed edit, I do not think that the HRW report is sufficient to report in Wikipedia's voice that this happened; the claim about the twenty to twenty-five women is a report by an unnamed witness, and HRW's own comment is The difficulties inherent in documenting such attacks on women are many [...] We thus underscore the need for an investigation that is prepared to examine the full range of reported violations, including sexual violence. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:53, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

How about adding, "Human rights watch has asked for an investigation that is "prepared to examine the full range of reported violations, including sexual violence", after the Taliban took over Afghanistan in 2021."-1Firang (talk) 10:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The report was written in 1998 about "a massacre of civilians and other serious breaches of international humanitarian law committed in Afghanistan in August 1998", and cannot possibly support any claims about what happened "after the Taliban took over Afghanistan in 2021". Given that you already have one topic ban in the WP:ARBIPA topic area, and Afghanistan is part of this contentious topic, I would strongly advise you to steer well clear – editing in a contentious topic like this requires you to be scrupulously careful, and asking about using a report written about the Taliban in 1998 to support claims about their activities in 2021 suggests to me that you are not being careful enough. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks a lot!-1Firang (talk) 12:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

References

Allowed Sources

Hello! I would like to ask if this source is reliable and if I can use it on Wikipedia as a reference: https://random-times.com/2018/10/11/svl-the-very-fast-soviet-jet-propelled-train-of-1970/

This is the draft I’m working on: Draft:High-speed Laboratory Railcar (SVL)

Thanks, Brevqvist (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Neither the about-us page (complete with a gmail contact address) nor the image credit of Images from web // Public Demain (what you find on the web, most of the time, is not public domain) fills me with much confidence. I would say it is shaky.

You might want to take a look at the sources currently present at Turbojet_train#SVL, at least some of them would be reusable. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Conflicting Numbers

I'm currently updating an awards type article, by a well respected national charity organisation, which gives out funding. Coincidentally a news story about these awards popped up in my newsfeed not long ago.

I was searching for some simpler information about a different funding project, by the same organisation, when I noticed it would be better in a table, as there seems to be a lot of extra information added, which isn't listed by the organisation themselves.

On their website, they say the number of awards there currently are, along with a date (which is obviously when it was written, as the number then matches the date).

For example: 175 awards, on the 1st of January 2018.

Yet the file containing a list of the awards next to the description, shows that there's actually more.

For example: 200 awards.

Therefore they clearly haven't updated their website in 5 years, and have only updated the list itself, so now all the news stories are also mentioning the 5 year out of date number.

Should I ignore the number mentioned in news stories and in the dated description on the website, and write the actual number of awards?

Or should I still use the number mentioned in news stories and in the dated description on the website, even though it's 5 years out of date and incorrect, as the updated table will show? Danstarr69 (talk) 07:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Danstarr69, and welcome to the Teahouse. Could you link the article which has this issue? It may provide context for other editors to assist and decide what the best course of action is. ContributeToTheWiki (talk • contribs) 14:28, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

How to change a page's name?

Singer, Chloe Bailey is know as Chlöe when performing solo, and I wanted her page name to reflect that. Kamo0606 (talk) 04:38, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Kamo0606 and welcome to the Teahouse.

You can rename an article by clicking Move located in the More box (located between a star icon and the search box. There, you can type the new article name and a reason why. For further information, please see WP:MOVE.

Note: Before renaming, it is probably better to start a discussion on the article's talk page if other editors agree to the article rename (In order to not have an edit war breaking out.)

Hope this helps and happy editing! 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 04:53, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Kamo0606 (talk) 16:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Referencing tech companies in body text

I'm drafting a page about a tech company in my sandbox and wonder if I should reference (in any mode) companies that the reader is probably not going to recognize? Thanks for any insights.. I'm a beginner but understand the COI requirements. Crystallake69 (talk) 16:34, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Crystallake69: The ability of readers to recognize a company is irrelevant. What matters is whether the source is reliable, independent of the subject of your article, and provides significant coverage of the subject of your article. See WP:Golden Rule for guidance.

The draft you mistakenly put in your user page about Tagos was rather promotional and the sources cited failed those requirements.

To start a draft article properly, follow the directions at WP:AFC.

But first, see the paid editing notice on your talk page. You are required to disclose your relationship with the company. This is a legally binding requirement that you agreed to abide by when you created an account here. If you continue editing without disclosure, your account will be blocked. See WP:PAID for guidance. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Made attempt at including on Talk but didn't see space in paid template for details mentioned on help page. Crystallake69 (talk) 17:36, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Valley High School

My edits were reverted because I used a more accurate and updated source? I messaged two moderators and they never answer. I added new state titles and new sections in the athletics area but they were considered “disruptive.” I would like clarification on why they were removed and how I should format my next edit as for it to not get taken down. CM12312 (talk) 19:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

CM12312 We're not interested in helping you fight your school board.("This is me trying to prove a point. Valley High School will not let me speak at school board meetings so now they (along with the rest of the world) can look at this when they wonder why the school is falling apart.") You are tagging your edits as "minor", which should only be done if the meaning of the article is not changed. It's doubtful that the source you use to support state titles is considered a reliable source. 331dot (talk) 19:32, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

CM12312, you have vandalized that article, and accordingly, I have blocked you. Cullen328 (talk) 19:35, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the moved redirect from Alpeh-omega to Aleph-omega

I have moved the redirect Alpeh-omega to Aleph-omega due to a spelling mistake (the redirect with the correct spelling didn't exist before), but I'm having trouble figuring out what to do in this situation. Firstly, Alpeh-omega was a double redirect, which I promptly fixed. Secondly, the redirect shouldn't be nominated for deletion as per WP:CSD R3, partly because the original was created more than 10 years ago. Thirdly, I made sure to fix the anchors of both redirects and remove the notice on the original talk page. But now, a bot decided that this redirect's talk page, which was previously pointing to the moved redirect's talk page, should redirect to the talk page of its target. I'm thinking of deleting the talk page's redirect, but I'm unsure. What should I do in this case? Should I have just made a new redirect with the fixed spelling instead of moving it?

Additional note: I have noticed that a search for "Alpeh" does not bring results for Aleph, but instead uses a "Did you mean:" prompt to search for "Aleph", but that still means one additional click before reaching Aleph from a search for "Alpeh". Is this enough of a reason to make a redirect on Alpeh pointing to Aleph? -- Alpha514 (talk) 17:33, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The move you made was appropriate (and it would also have been appropriate to simply create a new redirect as you mention). The talk page redirect is also fine - talk pages of redirects are not typically monitored, so the redirect helps to consolidate discussion in a location more likely to be seen. A redirect from Alpeh is only appropriate if it is a common misspelling, there's no need for redirects from every misspelling of every word. It looks to me like there's nothing more you need to do with this set of pages - you've done everything correctly as far as I can tell. Tollens (talk) 19:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

open a wholesale account

i am e.commers manager of arbabwaqasllc.i want open a wholesale account Yaseen safi (talk) 19:44, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Yaseen safi, and welcome to the Teahouse! Sorry, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by a wholesale account - is that an autocorrect from Wikipedia perhaps? You already have an account - that's why you have a username. Role accounts (those for a position like 'manager of XYZ company') are not permitted. If you're looking to create an article for your company, please note that writing articles about the company you work for is very strongly discouraged - please see the conflict of interest guideline for more information. Tollens (talk) 19:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Ernest Radjen Basketball coach

Hi, how i can upload profile of Basketball Coach Ernest Radjen .I have his CV in PDF. Fkojadinovic (talk) 20:42, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Fkojadinovic Hello and welcome. Please don't ask for help in multiple locations, this duplicates effort. Wikipedia does not have profiles, not a single one. Wikipedia has articles. Wikipedia is not a place to upload a resume or CV; existence is not the criteria for inclusion, please see our definition of a notable person. If you are interested in writing an article about this person that summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about them,(not merely a list of accomplishments) please see Articles for Creation.

I gather you have a connection to this person, please see WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 20:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

sandbox and watchlist

I have been away for about 6 months. What happened to the Sandbox link on my user page and (2) the watchlist link at top? Benjamin Trovato (talk) 21:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Benjamin Trovato. The default skin has changed to Vector 2022. The sandbox link has moved to a drop-down menu on a person icon at the top right. The watchlist may be in that menu or to the left on an icon . You can go back to the Vector legacy skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Found both. There is also a {*{My sandbox}*}. Thanks Benjamin Trovato (talk) 21:32, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

tone, citations and style

I am just looking at this page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConsumerLab.com ) and, as far as I can see, it contains plenty of citations, and has a similar style & tone to other wiki articles I have read. Hence I think I can delete the 'may require cleanup' tag at the top of the page. Is this correct? How do I know when to delete tags like this? BennBluee (talk) 23:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

For details on how to remove maintenance tags, please see WP:WTRMT. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 23:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Publishing a Biography page about a movie producer

I have tried publishing the page about the movie producer, yet, it got declined saying that iMDB is not a valid resource. I am not sure which resources I should get, as the iMDB is the industry standard - and all information about the person can be found there.

Please advise, many thanks! Mili Radumilo (talk) 17:28, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mili Radumilo, and welcome to the Teahouse! IMDB is user-generated and therefore not considered reliable. It seems like you may have written your draft backward, writing the article first, then looking for sources afterward. It is highly recommended to write the article the other way - look for sources first, then write the article using only content from those sources. This ensures that the resulting draft is fully supported by reliable sources, and that you can be certain of the subject's notability. For information on what constitutes a reliable source, have a look at the reliable sources policy. If it is not possible to find reliable, independent sources with in-depth coverage of the subject of the article, the subject is not considered to be notable. Tollens (talk) 17:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your time @Tollens!

I did the research, but I truly considered iMDB to be more reliable than media articles. :D

I updated the draft with the articles I was using. Also, I did an interview with a person. Is that something that Wikipedia would approve? Many thanks for your help! Mili Radumilo (talk) 18:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Mili Radumilo I'm afraid we do not accept interviews with any subject as a reliable source for that subject. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:04, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Great! If you have reliable sources you simply didn't include, go ahead and add them (with inline citations as well) and it will greatly improve your chances of having the draft accepted. Just a couple tips, phrases like 'acclaimed', 'lifelong passion', and 'considerable expertise' will likely be seen by reviewers as not adhering to a neutral point of view unless those exact phrases are very well sourced, and you have several external links in the body of the text (this isn't looked upon very well, use wikilinks instead, even if they will be red). As Nick Moyes points out, interviews you have done yourself are not accepted as sources, because they are considered original research, which is not permitted, as Wikipedia aims only to compile information already published in reliable sources. This unfortunately also goes for anything you simply know personally - it has to be published somewhere to be included (this may go for information like their passion for Formula One, the football clubs they support, etc., unless these things have been published somewhere already. Tollens (talk) 18:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much guys @Tollens @Nick Moyes, great comments, I will be working on making the article stronger! :D

Another question (maybe a bit dumb - but I can't tell you how many times I deleted everything by accident). Is there any chance to save edits in the article without submitting it for approval? I am sure if I submit it now it will rejected again, and maybe even deleted.

Thanks again, very nice and clear! Hope I will improve the skills. Mili Radumilo (talk) 18:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

You can absolutely save edits without submitting them - just click the resubmit button on the top banner when you're ready. Don't worry about deleting and losing anything, every version of every page (with very few exceptions) is permanently saved and accessible in the page history. Tollens (talk) 18:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

As a side note, since it seems you know this person, please have a look at the conflict of interest guidelines - it's strongly discouraged to write about anything you have an external relationship to, whether that's yourself, your family, your company, your friends, etc., since it's extremely difficult to represent the topic neutrally. In addition, if you do have a COI please note you are expected to disclose that relationship. (If you are being paid, and I'm not asserting that you are, this disclosure is required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use.) Tollens (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Just to expand, the reason Wikipedia does not accept interviews is that it contravenes Wikipedia:No original research. Qcne (talk) 18:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Interviews can be used for some purposes. See Wikipedia:Interviews. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

To make it clear; using interviews that have not been published is original research and not acceptable. The essay Cordless Larry points to is an interesting discussion of the use of published interviews. Gab4gab (talk) 01:48, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mili Radumilo. Just like Wikipedia, IMdB is user-edited, with no overall journalistic/editing oversight. That makes it liable to wrong information being inserted. We do not regard either Wikipedia itself, or IMdB suitable as sources to support factual statements in other Wikipedia articles. Put simply, if the person in question hasn't had coverage in mainstream media articles, they will not meet our notability criteria until they eventually do receive it. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:42, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Ayisha Malayalam Movie

Even I have provided proper reliable sources..the user Sneha996 keep removing my edits and making her wish kind of fan based edits, multiple times, which makes me so disappointed and sad.

Help me Jyomon (talk) 23:31, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Jyomon, the most recent removal was of material about how much money it made, and Sneha996 cited Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film#Box office for the removal. If you think that Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film#Box office doesn't apply, please explain. If you don't fully understand Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film#Box office, please ask about the part(s) you don't understand. -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Reading that article is a jarring experience, Jyomon. The lead section as currently written implies that it is a terrible movie, saying Upon release it received poor reviews due to unimpressive content, and calls it a "disaster" and a "Flop", with incorrect capitalization. On the other hand, the "Reception" section says The film mostly received positive reviews from critics and quotations from mostly positive reviews follow that summary. There is a really serious disconnect in the article. The Neutral point of view is a core content policy, and compliance with it is mandatory. You cannot call a film a "disaster" or a "flop" unless you cite reliable sources using that type of terminology. You cannot say a film received poor reviews when the reviews from reliable sources cited in the article are mostly positive. Cullen328 (talk) 01:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, the Times of India is a very dubious source for this type of assessment, especially pertaining to entertainment. See Paid news in India for a description of how this newspaper gives positive coverage ti entertainment enterprises that pay them off, and by implication, much less positive assessments of those that do not pay them. That is a fundamentally corrupt business model, in my opinion. Cullen328 (talk) 01:52, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Searching for a light and imaging wikipedia expert

Hello everyone,

I'm currently looking for a moderator that is acquainted with the light and imaging science (or with scientific reviews reading in general).

I'm trying to create a wikipage for the company currently employing me that has a very unique technology. Here is the link to the review of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 June 7#:~:text=12-,:37,,-7 June 2023 review of submission by Pierre Boltoukhine[|my submission]]. Also, here is the link to my latest exchange with other moderators who advised me to seek help here. On the latest link you can find the studies that I submitted to the other wiki moderators. Pierre Boltoukhine (talk) 12:40, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

That first link is this. Pierre Boltoukhine, Wikipedia doesn't have moderators. It has a very few "arbitrators", but these only get involved in extraordinary situations. It has many "administrators", but I don't see why you need one of these, either. If the technology truly is unique (let alone very unique), perhaps an article about it would be a better idea than one about the (your) company. -- Hoary (talk) 13:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy to Teahouse Hosts: Draft in question is Draft:Nüvü Camēras Inc. Pierre has declared PAID on User page. Status is submitted once, declined once. P.S. Nüvü Camēras Inc is not the author of any sci journal articles. David notMD (talk) 15:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Pierre Boltoukhine Ten of the 27 refs are to sci journal articles which have OD - a founder of Nüvü Camēras Inc - as a co-author. These cannot be considered as independent refs toward contributing to Wikipedia notability. Furthermore, the refs are about the technology, but not about the company. User:Hoary's suggestion that an article about the technology rather than the company may hold merit. David notMD (talk) 02:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Question about non-free image

Greetings, I am new to editing and uploading to wikipedia. Recently, I have been editing Toro Inoue. I uploaded an image taken from Sony, however it was removed due to it not being free content. I still wanted to use the image in order to display the character onto the page, I would like suggestion on what to do, thank you. Ohwelpwelp (talk) 05:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

The simple suggestion, Ohwelpwelp, is "Forget it", because the page already has an image that displays the character. But if you are sure that the image would be more informative and helpful than the one currently shown, please read and study Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. -- Hoary (talk) 06:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

How can I see my article?

I have entered a page but if I search from google I cannot find it, have I skipped any steps? Cherielechat1.0 (talk) 12:03, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Cherielechat1.0 and welcome to the Teahouse. User pages are not indexed by Google. Also see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, as Wikipedia is not a web host for self-promotion. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:06, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Cherielechat1.0, please also note that your Userpage is not a place to store articles. Qcne (talk) 13:21, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

You will want to visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. 331dot (talk) 13:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Cherielechat1.0 To be clear: Use WP:AFC to create a draft about Mori. All content in the draft must be supported by references. What you think and what you know is useless. Unless there are valid refs, don't bother. If you do decide to create a draft, do so by cutting all the content you have placed on your User page and pasting that into the draft.

IF (big if) you succeed in having your draft rviewed and accepted by a reviewer (a process that can take months), more time will pass before it is seen via a Google search. David notMD (talk) 15:23, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, the user page has been speedily deleted: A non-contributor's misuse of Wikipedia as a web host. If you need to reclaim the content to start a draft, follow the instructions given in the recent talk page message. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

And Draft:Cherielechat1.0 has now been deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 07:49, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

the emoji movie: the game

do article edits with emojis (outside of maybe usernames in tweets) get filtered on the spot? cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 12:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Cog-san. I'm not aware of such a filter on page content. Some characters are blacklisted in page names but a page can still be created by an administrator and edited by others. Are you trying to do something which doesn't work? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

i just noticed it was the one type of vandalism that never popped up in the edit histories, and found one edit with them filtered on an ip's log

and thanks

i should probably clarify that i really don't want to do that myself, not because it's almost always vandalism, but because i hate emojis cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 14:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cog-san Better not read Emoji, then. That article appears to confirm there isn't an edit filter. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

frick!

but on a related note, it seems that actually exists as filter 680, and the emoji article is specifically whitelisted from it cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 11:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Help with references

Im finding it difficalt to locate refrances for this building as it has been derelict for many years, and the only ones are in books. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Heatherlie_House_Hotel#References Q-conner (talk) 09:43, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Heatherlie House Hotel Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:51, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Q-conner and welcome to the Teahouse. One thing you should do to start with is find references, then write the article to reflect what those refs actually say. Also read Help:Referencing for beginners. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:49, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

You can use books as reference sources (unless they're self-published; etc). Sources don't have to be online. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:00, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Write them from the news paper articals from 1900's ? Q-conner (talk) 09:56, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Q-conner: Yes, it's very common for articles to be written based off of historical sources. Also, you may need to rewrite your draft as a lot of it seems to be WP:OR. JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 09:59, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Q-conner Your draft is full of WP:PEACOCK wording, especially in the WP:LEAD. Wikipedia strives to take a neutral tone Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:00, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

The draft is nowhere near ready for yet another resubmission for review. The edited lead still reads way too much like an advert: Heatherlie House Hotel situated in Selkirk, Scottish Borders, is a notable establishment with a rich historical background. The hotel is recognized for its captivating natural surroundings. The architectural design of the hotel harmoniously combines traditional charm with modern sophistication, resulting in an aesthetically pleasing and captivating structure. The interior of Heatherlie House Hotel is meticulously crafted, featuring opulent decor, Scottish textures, and tasteful furnishings that create an ambiance of both grandeur and comfort. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:35, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Q-conner Not only that, but :"The interior spaces would be adorned with rich materials, such as dark wood paneling, intricate plasterwork, and decorative moldings." What's with the future tense? Did it not happen? Nick Moyes (talk) 11:17, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Also "likely features", "may include", "might incorporate". Seems like an attempt to circumvent / tone down the explicit use of puffery / POV. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:28, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I haven't viewed the draft, and here merely respond to Nick Moyes' question "What's with the future tense?" First, English lacks a future tense, as is carefully explained in The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language (CGEL). This of course doesn't mean that it lacks ways of talking about the future. Here, would is the preterite of will. It has various uses; but here, "Would is [...] used to express futurity in the past, futurity relative to the time referred to by the preterite". As for whether it happened, "the actualisation is virtually required to have already taken place" (CGEL, p.198). It's a common device in standard English. -- Hoary (talk) 12:29, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary No tea for you for a whole month! Nick Moyes (talk) 14:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Q-conner, you need to start by deciding whether you want an article about the existing hotel, or about the building (which I assume was originally a laird's mansion, though your draft nowhere mentions this). Then:

1. Delete the entire current pile of unreferenced promotional guff.
2. Find several reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of your chosen subject. Books will do fine.
3. If you can't find at least three such sources, give up. Your chosen subject does not warrant a Wikipedia article.
4. If you can find such sources, write a draft that is based entirely on what they say, citing them as you go. Maproom (talk) 14:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Does it comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view?

Hello. Can someone help me confirm whether this article am trying to edit complies with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view? I have edited some parts that seems to be biased. Dorian Rhea Debussy MaxPG88 (talk) 12:38, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

It seems okay to me. Is there a specific concern that you have that you haven't already addressed? 331dot (talk) 14:02, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes I have addressed everthing. So, is it okay to remove the Maintenance templates on that page? MaxPG88 (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

If you feel that you have addressed the concern raised by the maintenance template(and you aren't the one with the COI), you may remove it. 331dot (talk) 14:51, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

How was Wikipedia first created

Ok, I just want to know how and why you created Wikipedia? 103.116.167.239 (talk) 16:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Some answers may be found here: History of Wikipedia. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

For a more concise version if you only want an overview, you might try Wikipedia#History. Tollens (talk) 16:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Notoriety Issue

Hi there - I was told that the person I'm writing an article on doesn't seem to have enough notoriety. I'm not really understanding the descriptions provided for that. We've provided lots of reliable, secondary sources (like Essence, PBS, etc.) - and she even has a presidential appointment from US President Biden. So...I'm not really certain how much more notoriety they're looking for or why the many sources I've provided still don't seem to measure up? Many of her peers in the same field who have less publicity than she does have made it onto Wikipedia, so I'm not really understanding what the difference is. AndreaTheoJohn (talk) 17:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Monica Rhodes - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AndreaTheoJohn, and welcome to the Teahouse! I haven't looked at the article in any depth yet, but I notice you use 'we' In your question. I see your username previously represented that of a company - if you are editing on someone's behalf or being paid to edit in any way, please see the conflict of interest guideline, the policy on paid editing if applicable, and please disclose that relationship if one exists. Tollens (talk) 17:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have time to go through all the references, but I did find three early on in the article that don't appear to give significant coverage of the subject (and that's one of the criteria to establish notability). See Golden Rule. Correct me if I'm wrong; otherwise recheck the coverage in the references you're providing:

• "She attended A.J. Moore Academy." She's not mentioned in the source about the reunion.
• "Rhodes’ career in historic preservation began with her 2008 involvement in a project". She's not mentioned in the source.
• "She played a critical role in identifying and engaging eight historic Black churches". She's not mentioned in the source.

You can still use such references to back-up facts in the article, but these won't add to her notability. It's also a matter of significant facts being verifiable by what is actually written or spoken in the sources, not just notability.

Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 17:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I just went through the first half - that seems to be the case with a large majority of the sources. 'Significant coverage' is defined in WP:GNG by the following: "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. Almost all of the references provided discuss the HOPE program Rhodes is the director of, not Rhodes - while these do establish the notability of that program, there is only a passing mention of Rhodes, or no mention at all. Tollens (talk) 17:50, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

The impression I get is that the editor has got hold of a detailed resumé and has looked for references to back that up, rather than finding sources and then writing to reflect what the sources actually say. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AndreaTheoJohn, and welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to the points that others have made, I'm afraid that your draft is hopelessly promotional in its language: it's full of phrases which are chosen to enhance the subject (eg "high-profile awards", "prestigious Loeb fellowship", "well-established publication", "recognized as a leading expert in"), as well as vapid marketing speak such as "continues to gain recognition through initiatives to leverage both public and private sector tools, emerging technologies, and unprecedented levels of community engagement to modernize the preservation space"). That is not what a Wikipedia article does: it summarizes, neutrally, what indepedent commentators have said about the subject. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

If, as I suspect, you are associated with Rhodes, then you are likely to find it hard to write sufficiently neutrally about her - that is why we discourage editing with a conflict of interest. What you will need to do, having found those independent sources which contain significant coverage of her, is to forget everything you know or think about her, and write an encyclopaedia article based solely on what those sources say. (And if some of the reliable sources say things about her that you really don't like, you should put those things in, too).

Many people have completely wrong idea that "having a page" on Wikipedia is a good thing, something to aspire to, something to help their internet presence. That is not what Wikipedia is for, and promotion of any kind is forbidden. And there is no question of "deserving" or not deserving an article, because nobody in the universe, not even Jimmy Wales "has" an article.

An article about Rhodes, if one is accepted, will not belong to her, will not be controlled by her, will not necessarily say what she wants it to say, and will not be for her benefit, except incidentally.

As for the question of notability (not "notoriety"!): the criterion is about ensuring that there is enough independent reliably published material about the subject to base an article on. It may be that the other articles you are referring to do have adequate independent reliably published sourcing; or it may be that they don't, and should be improved or deleted. We have thousands and thouseands of articles, mostly old ones, that wouldn't be accepted if they were submitted now. See other stuff exists ColinFine (talk) 18:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I just needed help retrieving my source

it was deleted but there are sufficient amount of resources and notability proving refferences of this person Article:Varun Pradip Dave 2402:8100:27C1:A127:7040:12B6:CCA4:DB7C (talk) 09:18, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

are you VPD7102001? lettherebedarklight晚安 09:25, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Multiple deletions of Varun Pradip Dave and Draft:Varun Pradip Dave. Do you mean these articles? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:27, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

No i am not vpd70

No i am not vpd7102001, Yes those article i can can request or provide you the article i made from various liable sources. 2402:8100:27C1:A127:7040:12B6:CCA4:DB7C (talk) 09:46, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouose. The first article was deleted on 2022-03-23 as "unambiguous advertising and promotion". Advertising is not permitted on Wikipedia.

The second was deleted on 2022-04-12 for multiple reasons: unambiguous advertising and promotion; copyright infringement; and creation by a blocked or banned user. The copyright infringement means that it will not be restored.

If you want to create an article on him, you will need to start again, following WP:YFA and making sure you pay attention to WP:notability and WP:BACKWARD ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you... So can I get the access to edit that page because it shows locked at this moment. 2402:8100:27C1:A127:7040:12B6:CCA4:DB7C (talk) 11:10, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you... So can I get the access to edit that page because it shows locked at this moment. 2402:8100:27C1:A127:7040:12B6:CCA4:DB7C (talk) 11:55, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Both the article and the draft are locked against creation because of the long history of promotional time-wasting by a series of sockpuppets. If you are truly not part of that promotional cabal, I suggest that you present, here, at least three reliably published sources, each of which is completely independent of VPD - not written or published by him or his associates, and not based on interviews or press releases - and each of which contains significant coverage of him.

If you can do that, then that will indicate that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and an article is possible - provide those and you may be able to persuade an admin to allow you to create a draft. If you cannot find three such sources, then don't waste any more time on it. ColinFine (talk) 12:10, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Varun Pradip Dave (Born 7 October 2001) is a powerlifter, actor and ted talks (tedx) speaker from India.

Refferences

[21]https://www.ted.com/talks/dave_varun_never_let_your_dreams_die

[22]https://www.hindustantimes.com/how-i-did-it-my-journey-from-spindly-teen-to-strongman

[23]https://www.brut.media/in/sport/meet-gujarat-s-youngest-strong-man

[24]https://www.imdb.com/name/

[25]https://www.openpowerlifting.org/

[26]https://www.amazon.com/prime-video/actor/Varun-Pradip-Dave 2402:8100:27C1:A127:7040:12B6:CCA4:DB7C (talk) 12:46, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Every one of those links gives me error 404, because you have included part of the citation code not just the URL. But judging from their titles and origins, the only one that even might meet the tripartite condition I mentioned above (see WP:42) is the Brut media one. Until you provide some sources whose origin and title suggest that they actually might be independent and reliable, I'm not going to waste my time trying to read them. ColinFine (talk) 13:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Correction - looking at the URL and the title, I expect that the Brut media one is based on an interview, and not independent.

Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 13:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

[27]https://m.imdb.com/name/nm13620544/bio/

[28]https://www.amazon.com/prime-video/actor/Varun-Pradip-Dave/amzn1.dv.gti.315ebb4c-c4cc-452f-b9db-1d51401a05f5/

[29]https://ahmedabadmirror.com/varun-picks-two-golds/64704056.html

[30]https://www.brut.media/in/sport/meet-gujarat-s-youngest-strong-man-facaba69-4642-4a33-941a-49b29ffa68c8 2402:8100:27C1:A127:7040:12B6:CCA4:DB7C (talk) 13:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not going to waste any more of my time with you. Study WP:42 and WP:notability. ColinFine (talk) 13:30, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

IP/64 blocked for lta socking – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 18:30, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

To repeat a point made by ColinFine, you will need to ask an Administrator permission to start a draft about VPD. I suggest you go to the Talk page of one of the Admins who had deleted the article or draft, make your case showing 3-4 best references, and declare that you are not one of the previously blocked editors. Honestly, given the long, bad history, it is unlikely you will get permission to proceed. David notMD (talk) 15:33, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hamish Harding article - Circular sources

The Hamish Harding article is about a person presently missing on the mini-sub at the Titanic site. Most of the sources are very poor (e.g. mid-east websites and new sheets of little/no provenance). However, the mainstream media is now using the Wikipedia article verbatim. I think it's not good form to link at a discussion page to an outside source so I'll put an example website here in full (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/19/hamish-harding-the-british-explorer-missing-at-sea-near-the-titanic). The words and phrases are literally lifted from the wikipedia article (I edited a couple last night which no longer appear and they are quoted verbatim in the Guardian article). My question is this: Does the fact that the poorly sourced info has now been used by the mainstream media mean that those latter articles now amount to non-deprecated sources? One thing which has struck me here is now little is known about the subject (i.e. nothing in any MSM sources - for a billionaire, that seems v odd. Nothing in Forbes, Sunday Times Rich List. Nothing anywhere. No link to a big earning business. Nothing at all about business deals, etc, notably nothing in business publications. For the main part, no non-mid east sources to details about degrees, qualifications, etc. I don't doubt the guy is real (!) but the quality of the sources and info seems way too low to be used in a Wikipedia article. I can't see what part of WP:RS applies to cases of non-deprecated sources simply recycling deprecated ones. Any thoughts, anyone? All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 18:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Emmentalist, and welcome to the Teahouse. You're right: this is a recurring problem. See WP:CIRCULAR for the relevant policy. ColinFine (talk) 18:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much for this, @ColinFine I'll look at that right away! All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 19:03, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Emmentalist: Earwig's copyvio detector is a Wikimedia Toolforge tool which is usually used to determine if a Wikipedia editor copied material verbatim from an outside source. But it is agnostic about who's-copying-whom, so it will also evaluate possible copying in the other direction. In this case, Earwig tags the likelihood of The Guardian copying from the Wikipedia article as "Unlikely (27%)". Note that a certain amount of common expressions being the same is not necessarily unusual; any article on him will list his various roles or professions, and so on. As the length of common strings gets longer, and the number of them goes up, it gets more suspicious. You can check Earwig's analysis yourself, and see what you think. Oh, and by the way, it's perfectly okay to add these links or have this conversation at the article Talk page, which at a minimum, should probably post a link to this discussion. Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 19:50, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

When is a family tree a family tree?

Hello. I included the following diagram in article Bird, Savage & Bird to help readers understand a complex business and family relationship. It was during the embryonic years of America when merchants Bird Savage & Bird were banking agents for the American Government (before Barings took over). It was a relationship that even I was confused about before I drew out the chart. A fellow editor has removed it on justification that: " Wikipedia is not a genealogy reference - family trees should be included only when relevant to understanding a notable topic, and there's no indication why that would be the case here." I do not think this chart should be classed as a "Family Tree" and for the benefit of readers should remain in the article. Any thoughts folks?

Bird, Savage & Bird - Family connections

Thomas Bird (1694–1746) m Elizabeth Martyn (1695–1758) John Manning (1703–1738/9) m Sarah Coventry (1711–?) Robert Bird (1723–1788) m Mary Merttins (1722–1804) Mary Bird (1724–1780) m Abel Smith II (1717–1788) William Coventry Manning m Elizabeth Ryan Rebecca (Manning) Hamm John Savage Elizabeth Smith (1758–1789) William Manning (1763–1835) Elizabeth Manning (1756–1817) Martha Manning m John Laurens (1754–1782) Sarah Manning m Benjamin Vaughan (1751–1835) Benjamin Savage m Elizabeth Dunn Robert Bird (1760–1842) m (cousin) Lucy Wilberforce Bird (1768–1847) Henry Merttins Bird (1755–1818) Dotted line = married

Sidpickle (talk) 07:54, 20 June 2023 (UTC) Sidpickle (talk) 07:54, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

References

It doesn't look necessary to me, but the place to discuss would be Talk:Bird, Savage & Bird. Theroadislong (talk) 09:10, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't look at all necessary to me either, and I agree with Theroadislong's suggestion; but my own tip is that to make it look more important (and perhaps even necessary), you might find some way of inserting simplified information about who among them had a position in the company Bird Savage & Bird, and when. This could be as simple as emboldening these particular people's names and adding the years within [    ]. -- Hoary (talk) 09:27, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

THANKS. I should have included the paragraph that accompanied this chart:

The Bird brothers were fortunate in their family connections: one of their uncles was Abel Smith (1717–1788), a prominent figure in the development of the Smith, Payne & Smiths bank. William Coventry Manning's son William married Abel Smith's daughter Elizabeth in 1786. Two of Manning's daughters also married into influential families: Sarah Manning married Benjamin Vaughan (1751–1835), and Martha Weatherell Manning married John Laurens, who was the son of wealthy South Carolina plantation owner and trader Henry Laurens.

However, I will let it go. I tried not to make it too complex. Picture is worth a thousand words, etc. John Laurens (killed in American War of Independence) was a close friend of Alexander Hamilton and his father Henry Laurens was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States plus a signatory of the Treaty of Paris. Benjamin Vaughan acted as a go between for the British during these negotiations. Bird Savage & Bird corresponded with George Washington and Alexander Hamilton during their years of business and the paragraph and chart should have shown the close ties they had with the influencers in America. Hey-Ho, move on. The Bird brothers were also cousins of William Wilberforce his mother (Elizabeth Bird) being their aunt. I have not found any reference to slavery in connection to Bird Savage & Bird but the people such as growers they dealt with in South Carolina most certainly were. Sidpickle (talk) 14:50, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sidpickle When most or all of them are famous as far as I know.

Wikipedia doesn't like it when non-famous relatives of famous people are added to the articles of those famous people, whether they're immediate family or not, as I've found out in the past when adding mothers, fathers, siblings, children etc.

There's lots of famous families I know of (however only a few I can think of off the top of my head), however the biggest is probably one I stumbled across a few months ago when updating IMDB, and realised that a family of 20 or 30+ people are all involved in filmmaking (it seems to be at least 1 of them in each department), and have made some massive record-breaking films for their country, yet for some reason, only 2 of them have Wikipedia articles.

Now that family definitely needs a family tree, something I've not tried before, but I might get around to it one day. Danstarr69 (talk) 18:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks and good luck. Sidpickle (talk) 20:25, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

References

Help with CSS

Hello, fellow editors!

I am trying to revamp my userpage, and I added some CSS to make the text white (color: #fff), but headings are still black (at least in the Vector 2022 skin).

If anybody here could help me, it would be much appreciated. Here's where the problem is.

Edit: How can I also change link colors? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 19:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @Levi_OP cus he knows this stuff. --QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 19:54, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

It isn't inheriting the style from the div because all headings are explicitly set to black (for some reason), so that's overriding the inherited style (you also can't just throw in a !important, since as an inherited style it will still be overridden). You could just use an h2 element instead of the wikitext header, and override its style as "color:inherit;" so that you only have to edit it in one place (<h2 style="color:inherit">About me</h2> instead of ==About me==). Tollens (talk) 20:06, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

If the text is going to be white, are you going to try to make the background a different color like black? ― Levi_OP^Talk 20:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I somehow missed the link to the page in the first message. As far as I know, you cannot change the css of the headers and other non-html elements of the source. The only thing you could do is create another header that looks the same and put it over the other one. ― Levi_OP^Talk 20:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

You can change the CSS of headers - just use the actual HTML header elements rather than the usual wikitext ones - the wikitext gets converted anyway. Tollens (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Ahh, you're right. I either didn't know that or had forgotten as I don't use Wikipedia much anymore 😅. Thanks for the info! ― Levi_OP^Talk 20:21, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Missed your edit - do you mean the ones in the top header part, or a wikilink somewhere in the lorem ipsum text? Tollens (talk) 20:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I suppose it doesn't really matter which actually - you can use {{colored link}} for that. Tollens (talk) 20:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Help

How to I switch to the old Wikipedia? Why is my screen so small? Not a Normal Username (talk) 04:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Not a Normal Username.

To switch to the old Wikipedia, go to the Preferences, located at the top of the page. Then, go to Appearance. You can change to the old version there.

Hope this helps! 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 04:34, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

(Re-adding accidentally archived response) @Not a Normal Username: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1191. To go into further detail as to what Layah50 is talking about, go to Preferences → Appearance → Skin and select Vector legacy (2010). Your screen may be small if you have not unchecked Preferences → Appearance → Skin preferences → Enable limited width mode, which forces whitespace around article text. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Not a Normal Username: Specifically, the older skin that Wikipedia used until recently is Vector legacy (2010). JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 07:35, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@Not a Normal Username: If the screen is the only issue, there is a toggle in the extreme lower right corner to expand the screen size. 331dot (talk) 10:00, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok Not a Normal Username (talk) 21:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Wait i didnt do anything and my screen is already fixed Not a Normal Username (talk) 21:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Help with paraphrasing

I have been sanctioned and would like to avoid any further sanctions (see User_talk:Abecedare#Topic ban), so I feel it is good to ask here before I do anything. For the Rape_in_Afghanistan article, under the section Afghan Taliban, I want to add, "According to Amnesty International, since the Taliban seized control of Afghanistan in August 2021, they have violated the rights of females and destroyed the system of protection and support for those fleeing violence." Will it be acceptable?-1Firang (talk) 19:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment) @1Firang: since your proposed addition and the linked article never mention Pakistan (the object of your T-ban) once, you are probably safe adding it. But that's just my opinion, and if I'm wrong you could be affected, and to quote the admin, "Skating at the edges of the topic-ban is treacherous." Why not pick out something completely different? Then you wouldn't have to pose the question. Mathglot (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I have been editing Afghanistan related articles and nobody has objected, probably because it is not covered by my Topic ban. Now please let me know if that sentence needs to be paraphrased any more (especially the last bit, "the system of protection and support for those fleeing violence").-1Firang (talk) 02:03, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

References

Help needed

I know I was warned against canvassing at some point, but until someone refers to me of another convenient and ideal way of doing this, I'm just going to have to leave this here, in case for some reason, simply leaving the note on the talk page isn't effective. TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 23:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

@TrevortniDesserpedx: You just posted that a few minutes ago and it is a heavily watched page. You need to be patient and give time for replies. RudolfRed (talk) 00:21, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

fixing ping @Trevortnidesserped: RudolfRed (talk) 00:22, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Despite a theory that humans evolved from frugivores, humans are not frugivores now. You edited to claim that at Human and Human nutrition and have correctly been reverted at both. At the Talk page for Human, your position has been refuted at length. David notMD (talk) 02:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)