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A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For everything you do. :) ZooPro 01:57, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Tireless, eh? What if I'm completely pooped? Can I still keep it? :) Kidding. Thanks so much!! Did you know that when you get 100 barnstars, Jimbo posts you a 1/2 kilo Toblerone? Best wishes and thank you again. You've made my regular morning Wikipedia session/watermelon-eating-fest very pleasant. :) :) :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:14, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I was not aware Jimbo did that.....the most he has ever sent me is a hoodie shirt :) I feel very lucky to have it. ZooPro 13:59, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Really. I'm not making it up. :) Seriously, a hoodie is way better because it won't melt in the sun. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Macros

Hey, how do I do that? For example, all of the time, I need to type things like "must be verified by reliable sources. I'd love to be able to hit a single complex key-stroke (like ctrl-shit-V, or something like that) and have it spit out verified. Is there a browser extension (I use FF), or is it a separate program that I can use across multiple other programs?

Also, I made a bunch of additions to Dimbeswar Neog, and left a note about on my talk page. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:56, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on Dimbeswar Neog.

There are keyboard macro programs available at freeware sites. I haven't tried them. I use macros in Word and EditpadPro. For pasting in the same thing again and again, I keep a tab open in edit mode with those kinds of things. I just grab and paste. I keep it open for edit so I can paste junk in where it says BUNNY. [1] Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:45, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Was that a Freudian slip up there, Q ? "Ha! that statement lacks a reliable source, so I'm gonna hit ctrl-shit ..." <g> - Sitush (talk) 15:06, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Something nobody else yet has on Wikipedia

	The Mysterious Bunny award
	This might be to honor your good humor and sweetness that have made Wikipedia a better place for so many editors, including me. Or it might be because I am curious to know why you use "BUNNY" in templates. Bunnies are much less trouble than kittens, although they can cause trouble if they multiply rapidly. Kinda like Wikilove. Sharktopus talk 19:07, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the unique award. It's very nice! That Toblerone is only a decade away now.

I like bunnies because they pulled themselves out of a hat: They are slow-witted, thus don't know how insane Earth is, breed like crazy, can run away from baddies, happily relocate from destroyed habitats, and quite fortunately, do not taste good to people. Unlike pigs, they must find this planet a rather nice place. That's encouraging. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:12, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Aw, sorry to disappoint you, Anna. There's nothing quite like a (wild) rabbit pie. Deboning is a pain but the taste is not dis-similar to chicken, with a slightly different texture. Hare is stronger ... but I need to remember that WP is not a cookbook. - Sitush (talk) 23:38, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

True, but relatively few bunnies end up in the pot. Compare it to the 100 million tons of piggies (a lot of squeals) and 80 million tons of chicken (a lot of bucks) consumed each year.[2] Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:50, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

For you

With love. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Ahhh, thank you from all of us! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:29, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Hi Anna, just thought I'd drop by for a cup of tea with you in your cafe. You seem to be popping up everywhere lately! Random corners of the Wiki that I happen to surf into and I keep seeing 'Anna F' contributing on some matter or other. You must be on some supercharged energy source, ;) Antarctic-adventurer (talk) 10:51, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, my friend. You are too kind, and always welcome for tea. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:18, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

For the welcome and the work on Hainanese Chicken Rice.Mphil1805 (talk) 13:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure. If there's anything you ever need, just ask. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:18, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

FYI, Anna. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 15:04, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the info.

“ No, there warn't no real scarcity of snakes about the house for a considerable spell. You'd see them dripping from the rafters and places every now and then; and they generly landed in your plate, or down the back of your neck, and most of the time where you didn't want them. (Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Mark Twain, 1884) ”

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:26, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Stop

The rest of the things everything else is allowed --27.3.18.100 (talk) 14:45, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Baking powder? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

J. Gowers

Hi -- I don't think we've interacted before, but I saw your sensible comment at User_talk:J.Gowers#You_can_choose. The latest issue is the dog picture he's uploaded, claiming a CC 2.0 license. It's actually taken from here.

I'm not familiar with copyvio notices, and hoped you might be more knowledgeable and could tag this appropriately. If you're not I'll do the research and dig up the right notice. I don't know if that editor is salvageable, but it's usually worth a couple of tries; I don't see much evidence yet of willingness to make positive contributions, though. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:57, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mike. I appreciate the support. I've had a silly habit lately of trying to encourage some editors to reform their ways with the hope that they will become a net asset. A bit of an experiment.

As for the image, I don't know where to report it other than here or here. I hope you can find out. Sorry I'm not being more helpful with that.

As for the salvageability of the editor in question, who knows? The trollsome edits smack of short-term nuissance and long-term block. But, I hope he just understands that he's hurting a project he uses and is wasting the time of nice people volunteering.

Best wishes. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:31, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer; I've listed it at WP:PUF, which I found via the link you gave me. I think that's the right place. I see you're an online ambassador, as I am; mentoring new users is a good way to restore one's trust in random editors, and I find that an inspiring program though my mentees have varied in their abilities and commitment. Best wishes likewise. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:12, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	For your outstanding work at hacking List of shipbuilders and shipyards down to a much more visually appealing and useful size, you have earned the Editor's Barnstar! Keep up the good work! :-) Hersfold (t/a/c) 06:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

It's lovely! Thank you so much, and thank you also for your thoughtful advice. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

International Space Station

The conditions were nice and clear for watching the International Space Station flyby tonight. Hoping the next few days are good as well. Can you see it where you are? Viriditas (talk) 09:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Wow! I hope so. I've tried before to figure out the times from the NASA site. It was always low on the horizon and I never saw it, or I was just to dumb to get it right. A very blue sky today, so it might be good. Is it bright? I have a telescope. Would it be a dot or could I see shape? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

It's really easy, and fun! All you need to know are the orbital parameters, the time, and where to look in the sky. No, you don't need a telescope. It's so big and bright you can see it very clearly, although all you see is a bright dot at night. Plus, it is way, way too fast for a regular telescope. There's no way you would be able to follow it! If you have a smartphone, you can download several free apps to keep on top of it. I use ISSLite on the iPhone, but you can check it here. Simply enter your country and follow the location prompts. You can also track it here. Viriditas (talk) 09:52, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Smartphone? I have the Forest Gump of phones. Using the links, I will try. I will go on the roof and let you know. Thanks!!! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:00, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Can you move this image for me?

For some reason, the image name I used did not take. As a result, I uploaded File:5796953341 7fbeffb70f o.jpg instead of File:Warder Clyde Allee.jpg. Could you move the current image (File:5796953341 7fbeffb70f o.jpg) to the new name (File:Warder Clyde Allee.jpg)? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 12:26, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

•  Done Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:29, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Viriditas (talk) 12:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Christanandjericho

I'm afraid I beat you to the punch, reporting him at WP:AIV. He's had, what, 10 chances across two accounts? He needs to get the message I think - JohnInDC (talk) 13:00, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!! 12 mainspace edits!!! I hope it's indef. Good riddance. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Please see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Certified.Gangsta and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:User_pages/UI_spoofing#Addtional_.22new_message.22_opinions i am allowed to have it please read the whole disscussion --Vince (talk) 13:11, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I couldn't care less. You had a fork in the roads:

1. Be an editor and accomplish something. Be proud of yourself.
2. Show up at Wikipedia. Do absolutely nothing for the mainspace. Waste the time of volunteers. Make trollsome edits. Get blocked within a week, the experience being utter failure.

It's your life story, pal. You can write the chapters anyway you want. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:18, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps this?

Anna, you could use a combination of more than one template. I would recommend using the most appropriate warning template first as per WP:USETEMP (use only Level 4im templates), then use this template: {{Template:ONETIMEWARN}}.

An example goes like this (only use after using the appropriate template(s) as per WP:USETEMP):

• "{{Template:ONETIMEWARN}} Vandalism" produces the following: This warning/notice associated with the above is to inform you that you have been notified by the user for the following action(s): Vandalism.

You could sometimes use the Wikipedia rules in the notification (e.g. as per WP:BLOCK). CHAK 001 (talk) 00:15, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

This guy isn't worth the effort. As far as I'm concerned, pasting the message from the black sandbox is the easiest way. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:24, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Not worth the effort? Your template also works OK, but after my evaluation, I think severe warnings was not even mentioned in your template, which is the reason why I put both the Level 4im template message(s) and the supplement template, along with appropriate inserts. I do recommend doing so in case of vandalism, specifically if the size of the vandalism edit is severe or continuous (more than three edits) that deems necessary action. Those are only my suggestions, though. CHAK 001 (talk) 04:24, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I just mean that the message at black sandbox does the trick. What's the difference between pasting a template and pasting a paragraph. Besides, the term "severe" seems odd to me because it's not commensurate with the punishment, which is not so severe after all. Plus, it's sort of a weather term. Promise them that a severe tornado will hit their house and I'm in like a dirty shirt. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:07, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Fluffer

Why were you so adament do have that disgusting and degrading picture on the top for Fluffer? That is not fit for human eyes. Can I ask you not to reinstate it, thankyou. I'm not being personal here but you're not a lesbian by chance are you? Can't see why a girl so badly wishes for that kind of image to stay. Proud Serbian Chetnik (talk) 08:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I am adamant because the image shows the subject, and does so without showing a lot of junk. Also, there is no replacement, and the image was removed without consensus.

May I ask, if it were two women, would you feel the same way?

I'm not being personal here but you're not a straight male homophobe by chance are you? Can't see why a boy so badly wishes for that kind of image to go. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Wow, a much more humorous of a response than the scathing one that first occurred to me. P.S., to Proud Serbian Chetnik: take a look at WP:NOTCENSORED. It should help you understand our rules on why we include images and text that some people find "offensive". Qwyrxian (talk) 09:46, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Chetnik, the reasoning behind your asking that question is highly obnoxious. And yes, you should look at WP:NOTCENSORED as Qwy said. Also please remember that homophobia (which you have displayed in a few of your edits, while a misguided view that you are allowed to have on your own, is very much frowned upon here when you actually let it get into your edits. In fact, it goes against WP:NPOV. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 12:29, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

No ofcourse I wouldn't mind if it was two girls. It's completely different, it is acceptable and has been so for a longer time. But men? yuk. It is not accepted internationally yet. You never told me, you're not a lesbian are you? Proud Serbian Chetnik (talk) 23:23, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

You are just trolling. Back off. - Sitush (talk) 23:26, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Please note that I have brought up this "conversation" in the currently open ANI thread on Proud Serbian Chetnik; if any of the participants here wish to comment, it's at WP:ANI#User:Proud Serbian Chetnik. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

A bit of notice again...

Anna, I have now put up a warning against the user that was suspected of doing personal attack at your talk page while I kept a lookout (since I do not intend to use any personal attacks on anyone's talk page). You can find it here. CHAK 001 (talk) 01:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Bollocks Oops. - Sitush (talk) 01:40, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

CHAK: Once again you've made me spit tea all down my front. :) :) :) Did you just severely warn Sitush for adding "You are just trolling. Back off." to my talk page? Sitush is a wiki-angel. Proud Serbian Chetnik is, well, hmmm, not. Thanks though. I know your heart is in the right place. :)

Sitush: Thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I may have got the wrong end of a long stick with Chak's warning. It was, however, ridiculous even if it may possibly have been well-intentioned I do believe that it may have induced my most severe case of the Anglo-Saxons ever here, albeit struck out. Needs to take a little more care, as I notice a tendency towards the use of single-issue warnings, even in those cases where some sort of warning might be appropriate. Which this was not. Anyways, 0300 and off to bed. - Sitush (talk) 02:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Heh. I don't know who to feel worse for here—Sitush, Anna or CHAK? :-) Viriditas (talk) 06:18, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm perfectly fine. I sort of just watched the storm go by. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I must say, you handled the personal remarks very well from User:Proud Serbian Chetnik. His behaviour looks here to have caused a stir but you know he's been blocked. He is largely our problem (that is we who edit on Balkan topics) as we now know his identity (atleast on Wikipedia). He is a sockpuppet of the notorious User:Sinbad Barron. It won't concern you that this political editing was mostly a front as he was awaiting the moment to spit out his real views which differed to his earlier contributions! The homophobia seemed genuine though, and prepositioning you was repugnant. This is why I say, top marks for handling it the way many of us wouldn't have, with smiles and soft words!! He won't hound you any more now, or be all around you (are you this? are you that?) whilst cancelling your edits. Good riddance! Evlekis (Евлекис) 08:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words. I think he let his emotions get the better of him. I just watched The Weight of Chains, and it left my head spinning. I can see how feelings get stirred up.

As for the homophobia, I guess he was just raised in closed-off way. Maybe he's not from the city.

People, huh. So much progress and all this species does is believe men in suits, kill each other, and chase the latest iPod. Really impressive. Some say they were born into the wrong era, some the wrong gender. Me? I'm on the wrong planet. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

My dear, if you are for another planet, let me come with you! Don't talk badly about yourself. If everyone here were like you (looking at your general edits on talk) then the project would be a true success. I don't even consider myself as constructive as you and this both for discussion and main article editing. Regarding the user. Nothing is known about him. He has a farm of puppets and these people have declared themselves of every nationality and it all leads to politics. It has occurred to me that the user is more an apologist for New World Order than a specific "national"; unfortunately, the Balkans-based editors take the hit. Even those whose side the user is technically on find him disruptive. Evlekis (Евлекис) 08:40, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh well. I'm glad it's done with. Now we can all get back to work. Thank you again and best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Any time. Keep up the good contributions. :) Evlekis (Евлекис) 08:49, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

RCp proposal

Adamrce, Anna_Frodesiak, Baseball_Bugs, Csloomis, Cntras, Evaders99, Fæ, Shrike, Qwyrxian, WWGB, Who.was.phone:
met you guys at edit conflicts for undoing vandalism/ warning the same vandals/reporting at AIV.
I've made a proposal at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Recent_Changes-_tags_for_patrolled_and_reverted_edits. This is regarding managing vandalism at RCP. What do you think?Staticd (talk) 11:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Citizen Cyborg

I've fixed the Citizen Cyborg article so I've removed the copyvio tag. --Loremaster (talk) 16:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Good stuff, my friend. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:43, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Check it again. ;) --Loremaster (talk) 17:54, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

A dandy infobox indeed. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:36, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	For your persistant helpfulness and guidance to User:Gorlack36! v/r - TP 02:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very, very much. I am always pleased to help any editor that has promise of great productivity. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Michi-Ohio State talk page

Thank you for contributing to the ongoing discussion at the Mich-OSU rivalry talk page. Please note that I have read your comments and responded. Levdr1lostpassword (talk) 23:54, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

I have run out of reasons.......lol.... ZooPro 10:56, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you again. You are so sweet, as was the cupcake. I don't know what I've done to deserve this. You say you've run out of reasons? Well, yesterday I broke up a fight between two of my hamsters. I would have clunked their little heads together, but they're covered in fur, so it probably wouldn't have done much good. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:00, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Page move

Are you sure I can move Koontz House (Natchez, Mississippi) to Green Leaves, without it being considered vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atterion (talk • contribs) 18:12, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Philippine Basketball League

Hello Khazar,

Since I had no idea what all these orphan tag being added, and all those unreference tag, i'll ask what references do I have to add more, all those pages I created are the ones i've also write down in the external links given, such as in Philippine basketball forum sites, do I have to scan my article research and put it in a blogspot and then provide as many external links so as to prove my work.(Edmon74 01:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC))

I think you might be looking for User talk:Khazar.

I you mean me, forgive me for not understanding. I don't see the tags you're talking about.

Please find sources that are independent of you. That means no blogspot article research that you made. Also, forums aren't good. Try newspaper articles. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:11, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

My apologies to you, yes my message was for Khazar, somehow when I click his talk page, the link redirects to your user talk, again my apologies, ignore my message(Edmon74 04:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC))

Your comments about IRC

Thank you Anna for leaving me nice messages on my user talk page. I was asking for help, saying "Hello, how are you?, If you're not busy, then I need some help?" is not trolling. Please tell me your definition of Trolling. I am currently on a WikiCurfew and am only allowed to edit user talk pages. I am guessing that you were not aware of this but I am letting you know now. I hope that your anger on me will cease at some time and that you can constructively help me in future. Also you did not leave an edit summary on my talk page, plese do so in future, otherwise when I look in my contributions and see "STOP, STOP, STOP", I take this an inappropriate. Thanks a lot. :-) -- PoliMaster ^talk/_spy 09:47, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Nobody's buying it. We can see your talkpage history. I've asked you a number of times to stop. Don't give me this "...I was asking for help, saying "Hello, how are you?..." garbage. It's trolling and harrassment, plain and simple. Now stop PMing me and stay off my talk page. I want nothing to do with you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:59, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Anything I can assist with Anna??? ZooPro 12:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

This may still be pertinent, Anna. - Sitush (talk) 12:43, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

If you need any op assistance in #wikipedia-en-help ^connect, let me know, I can help. (I checked the access list, I don't think you are op there.)  JoeGazz  ♂  16:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

YGM

Hello, Anna Frodesiak. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

 JoeGazz  ▲  16:22, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Civility Barnstar
	Thank you for being so civil with TPM as he is causing you stress. You are handling yourself very, very well and I hope that you continue to do so while we sort this issue out.  JoeGazz  ♂  16:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Awwww. Thank you!! (I wasn't entirely civil.) Besides, you are the one who deserves a barnstar. Of course, it would look kind of odd if I gave you one now. :) You'll have to settle for a nice pie for the time being. :) :) :) A zillion thanks again for your help. Like I said on IRC, "You made my day". :) Now, off to commons to shop for a pie. What'll it be?....strawberry...peach....hmmmmm....... :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

User:TPM

Hi Anna, User:TPM has now been banned from having ANY contact with you, on or off wiki and will be immediatly blocked should he make any contact with you (please inform me if he/she does try). This should hopefully stop all issues and let things get back to normal. All the best ZooPro 07:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Wilensky's

Nice pics on Wilensky's! Do you happen to have any that clearly shows the Wilensky's (yellow smile), coca cola, and green "moe wilensky" signs?Jeanpetr (talk) 21:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I have a bunch more. (Sorry about the low quality.) Memorabilia, class of coke, sandwich with two meats, more interiors, fuzzy pic of a yellow smile that looks like a pot of mustard. If you like, I'll email you the lot. You can upload them as your own, public domain. But, I suggest cropping, brightening, saturating, sharpening with Irfan or the like. They're pretty rough. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:19, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

If you put can put the pics up at some gallery I could just select, but I guess I can just go and take a pic at some point too. Thanks in any case! Jeanpetr (talk) 15:40, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I can't really. An email would be best. The whole group is less than 9MB, so would fit in a single attachment. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:43, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Peperoncini

HOW DARE U REMOVE MY EDITS TO PEPPERONCINI! MY OPINION IS ENYCLOPEDIC! SIGNED PEPPERONCINI LOVER

Oh yeah? We don't take kindly to pepperoncini lovers 'round these parts. Damn hippie. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

WE WILL INVADE CANADA AND TAKEAWAY ALL YOUR ABOUTS IF THIS HARASSMENT CONTINUES.

Keep your mitts off our aboots or we'll come over to Hawaii and grab every lei we can get our hands on. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:40, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I SORRY. CAN U MAKE LEIS FROM MAPLE LEAVES?

We can and we do. But we don't wear them around our necks. We stick them to our bodies with maple syrup because we don't know how to make clothes. We only have igloos and cops on horses here. No buildings. No clothes. We just sit around shivering waiting for you Americans to run out of money then come and kill us and steal our igloos to extract the ice for your daquaris. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:04, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Seriously, we should quit this. Stalkers will think you're a real vandal, or they'll think you've been into the Hawaiian punch. This'll keep ya busy: YouTube the old Sesame Street bit "Cowboy X". The subtle message to kids just dawned on me. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:17, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Watched it, remembered it fondly, and then somehow, clicked over to the Bein' Green video by random chance. Jim Henson was (and is) a genius. The world is an empty place without him. Viriditas (talk) 09:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You're the one we're worried about, Anna.... Qwyrxian (talk) 03:48, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Please settle down, as I must note that Wikipedia is not the place for "social networking". CHAK 001 (talk) 08:22, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

CHAK, I'm afraid you are mistaken and/or misinformed. Socializing on Wikipedia is most certainly allowed, and using Wikipedia to talk to other users on their talk page is encouraged. Feel free to take any concerns you might have to a higher authority but please do not leave messages like this on my talk page. Since you didn't "get" the joke, I would be happy to explain it to you: I was poking fun at one of Anna's recent reverts while she was on vandalism patrol, in particular, a revert of a silly edit an IP made to Peperoncini. My comment on her talk page was intended to parody the typical newbie's reaction to having their innermost thoughts about a subject removed. Viriditas (talk) 08:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Viriditas, the reason I put up a notice is that I believe that it must had something to do with socializing as per WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK. Please let me know if that is false. CHAK 001 (talk) 09:31, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, my friend, why don't you tell me what part of that policy applies to the above discussion? Please be specific. Viriditas (talk) 09:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I did not want to disclose for privacy reasons. Socializing on Wikipedia is not permitted as per WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK. Those are commonly seen especially on Facebook. Yours and Anna's statement (after the first, up till Qwyrxian's statement, which seemed OK) did not comply with the policy as I stated. According to that page, Wikipedia is not a social network like Facebook and Twitter (period). CHAK 001 (talk) 09:47, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

CHAK, since you can't specifically cite the part of the policy that pertains to this discussion, I have to correct you. 1) Socializing on Wikipedia is permitted. Writing an encyclopedia involves collaboration which is a social process, and socializing is key to the success of Wikipedia. 2) Leaving friendly messages on user talk pages is permitted and encouraged. 3) Having fun and contacting users with funny messages about their vandalism patrol is entirely acceptable. If any of this isn't making sense, feel free to ask questions, but I'm going offline for a bit. The fact is, nothing about this discussion is in violation of the policy you cited, and there is a huge difference between socializing (a necessary component of an encyclopedia written by people working together to achieve the same goals) and social networking, a distinction that seems to have escaped your notice. Viriditas (talk) 09:52, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Viriditas, regardless of which, there was a Wikipedia discussion regarding the use of socializing, although if I am to discuss about that, I am undecided on such because although I may support socializing, I fear of such personal attacks and other problems while attempting to edit on Wikipedia (either the article or the user's talk page). That was one of my points why I am being cautioned in regards to socializing. CHAK 001 (talk) 10:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

There are no personal attacks here, CHAK. You evidently are not familiar with the parody of BIFF. In any case, let me give you an example of how socializing works on Wikipedia and how it is the primary component of productive work: Back in March, Anna and I were socializing on this page about art. That discussion was very fruitful, and directly led me to create a new article and a DYK about The Magpie (Monet). Socializing helps build the encyclopedia. And parody, like the one in this thread, helps editors relax and feel carefree. When you're in this state of mind, one is in a position to access flow, which allows productive work to commence. Is this making sense, CHAK? Most importantly, see the criteria for group flow, which is exactly what I'm talking about in terms of Wikipedia. Note also, how socialization is an essential part of this process, and how parody falls under the "playground design" and "craziness" model. Viriditas (talk) 10:17, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. I've just been sitting back reading this, laughing my guts out. :) CHAK: Further to the socializing flow thing: We were talking about the ISS, which lead me to astronomy browsing, which led me to create 1999 LE₃₁ asteroid, which is now screaming toward us, and will take out the Earth next week. See how it all ties together? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:33, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

More suggestions...

Anna, I noticed that you sometimes put articles in whole words when referring to help pages such as Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars, Wikipedia:Cleaning up vandalism, and Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. You should shorten those up the next time that you wanted someone to read articles related to help within Wikipedia. For example, I suggest "shorten" into WP articles.

For instance, as shown above, it can translate into WP:DTR, WP:CUV, and WP:RPP, respectively. I think that before you type in the whole word, I suggest that you look at the articles first. So far, you are doing well on inserting Wikipedia shortcuts, though I would still insert those shortcuts when possible (I should note that the only exception for using my talk page is that only the Wikipedia article shortcuts such as WP:BLOCK can be used, and that no other shortcuts may be used). CHAK 001 (talk) 08:10, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

CHAK, I don't mean to intrude, but the exact opposite of your recommendation is best practice. Anna is actually doing the right thing. In other words, using shortcuts may appear helpful to experienced users, particularly after the full term is used first, but it is generally discouraged in wide use because it alienates new editors who aren't familiar with the alphabet soup. For more information, see Wikipedia:Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia, Wikipedia:No-no, Wikipedia:When IAR is ignored, and most importantly, Wikipedia:WTF? OMG! TMD TLA. ARG! Less alphabet soup is better than more, and Anna has the right idea. Viriditas (talk) 08:50, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

What is really concerning here is that CHAK is doling out all sorts of misguided advice to all sorts of users, including at least one new user who (unsurprisingly) appears to be grateful to have been taken under the wing of someone so "experienced". I have had a word over on CHAK's talk page, and Anna has been banging her head against this wall for a while now, on and off. - Sitush (talk) 09:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

If CHAK is learning from his mistakes, then there's no problem. But if he keeps giving out the same bad advice, then something needs to be done. There are many different ways of learning, but sometimes, making mistakes can be a fast track on a learning curve to expertise. On the other hand, it could be a competence issue. I can't comment on CHAK all that much because I don't have all the facts, but it seems like his heart is in the right place and he just needs a mentor. Viriditas (talk) 09:11, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh, yes. If s/he was learning. I am not convinced that is the case, and the above message is an example given that s/he is aware that Anna has been around here for some considerable time. It would have been far better phrased as a question along the lines of "Hi Anna, is there any particular reason why you choose to use X rather than Y ?" The warning templates that are being thrown around are also more often than not inappropriate, and this is an issue that Anna has been trying to resolve without a great deal of success. (IMO, and with no offence intended to Anna). - Sitush (talk) 09:20, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

CHAK, everytime I see your username, I'm reminded of Cha-Ka from Land of the Lost. :) :) Viriditas (talk) 09:32, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Viriditas, Anna and I have already discussed over my template use; if you want to talk about that, please discuss that at my talk page (specifically the subsection "Just a little advice"). CHAK 001 (talk) 09:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I would rather talk about Land of the Lost actually... :) Viriditas (talk) 09:42, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

CHAK: Actually, yes, I only prefer shortcuts with experienced users in disputes. I linked some shortcuts because I was just grabbing everything relevant I could find and it was the fastest way.

Sitush: No offence at all. Sometimes communication is hard.

Viriditas: I'm sure his heart's in the right place. He's made a great improvement to his user and talk page, removing lots of warnings and stuff. Honestly, if he stayed away from the bureaucratic and law enforcement areas, and stuck to article work, I think he'd be a very good editor. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:50, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, I think it is obvious why he is doing it. He thinks that aping admin work will get him the tools. This is one reason why I believe the current approach is a failure. In other words, we are training bureaucrats, not encyclopedists. We need to be in the business of unifying knowledge, linking together all of the specialized disciplines, such that the information flows freely from one area to the next, in an unbroken chain of understanding. Instead we are, as you have previously noted, intently focused on filling out 27b stroke 6's and looking around for Mr. Archibald Buttle. I think we've had enough of that. What we need to do is train researchers, writers, and generalists, who understand how to unify knowledge and make it accessible to the reader. The focus on administration tends to outweigh these things, and presents an unreasonable overhead on the purpose and future of the project. More to the point, virtually every administrative task can be automated; you can't say the same for writing and maintaining articles, not yet at least. If someone vandalizes a page, they can be automatically warned and blocked if necessary. If someone violates the 3RR, a bot can also block them. If an edit war is detected, or foul language appears in an edit summary or on a talk page, a bot can step in, warn both users and then automatically protect the page, etc. You really don't need a single administrator on this site. The reason we have them has nothing to do with janitorial maintenance and everything to do with enforcing an artificial social structure based on power. And if you don't believe me, go and visit the cemetery full of inactive admins and examine their contributions. They got tired of playing the "admin" game and left. It was never about building an encyclopedia for them. Now, think about all the wasted time and energy that has gone into administration that could have been better spent teaching users how to research, write, reference, and compose articles—and in the process—administer the encylclopedia from the bottom up, not the top down. If you are administrating from the article level on up, you will have less issues and problems to deal with because they will be solved at the first tier, which should have been the original purpose of using WikiProjects in the first place. Decentralize the administration process, and the problems solve themselves. Administrating from the top down, as we see now, doesn't work and never will work, and amounts to little more than passing the buck around and working with people who don't understand the issues in the first place. Viriditas (talk) 11:00, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I like your thinking. The project does feel somewhat like a hierarchy. Now, all the Indians want to be chiefs (pardon the non-PC expression). Power structures bite. The less like the real world Wikipedia is, the better. But I wonder what new issues would emerge under the system you suggest. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

just say hi regarding the food of wuhan

hi, Anna, saw your post on my talk, hope i am not too rude on the discussion page. Let me know if you have any questions regarding China, I will do my best to see if i can help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azload (talk • contribs) 21:09, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much. You are very kind. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:48, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I just thought of something. I started Wuhan duck. Could you help improve it? As you live in Wuhan, could you take a photo of some necks or other parts? Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:50, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I think most of people i know only refer it as duck neck or Jing Wu duck nect, Jing Wu is the brand that make the duck deck. This food is begin make it name only since end of 20th century. I just checked my friend in Wuhan, she told me it is about 10 years. More or less.....I will let you know when i double checked with other friends. (Smiling Demon Lord (talk) 06:53, 18 July 2011 (UTC))— Preceding unsigned comment added by Azload (talk • contribs) 06:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that in Wuhan there are many points of sale for this kind of spicy duck that are not from a single company. Thank you for your input. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

You spill tea; I spit feathers. ;) - Sitush (talk) 00:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Feathers? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

See here. I am on the borderline between the two groups mentioned. If this instance, I use the latter meaning (thirsty), which is what spicy duck makes me. Never heard of this one, though. We have a bot called Woohookitty and perhaps should have one called Wuhanducky. - Sitush (talk) 23:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I'd never heard of that before. Woohookitty is a bot? I thought Woohookitty is a person. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:24, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

You are right, WHK is a person. I've just learned something! Seems to follow me around, fixing things in a most pedantic (but entirely correct!) way. One day I will make contact and thank her for doing all the stuff I keep forgetting to do. Not bothered before because a bot is hardly going to appreciate it. - Sitush (talk) 23:33, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

I think WHK is in the top 3 in edit count. Huge. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I think that is what made me think she was a bot. Although I know that, eg, Blofeld is real enough, if only because bots do not talk in discussions on AN/ANI etc. - Sitush (talk) 00:16, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk Page Improvement

Anna, I would like to invite you to discuss on any improvements that you like to suggest to me (I have archived my talk page discussions, but I am getting ready for a major revamp). Please do read the instructions carefully at my talk page. CHAK 001 ^{(Improvements? Please let me know!)} 03:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's worth discussing at any length. Besides, I'm a little busy working on the encyclopedia, and I'm sure you'd rather spend your time doing that too, right?

Here's what I suggest. Snazzy, huh? I think it looks marvelous!!! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:10, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

You violet sandbox seems nice, but I want to be a bit more specific. I was not aware of your sandboxes. The first sandbox that I created was an article related to a television station. I do plan to rename some of my linked pages and remove linked pages that may be odd, as other users may be concerned. I will see what you and others decide when discussing as such on my talk page. Note that I will not edit as normally as I typically would in a day due to a varied schedule in my personal agenda this week. CHAK 001 ^{(Improvements? Please let me know!)} 04:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I doubt editors are very interested in your talk page. They perfer to build the encyclopedia. Why not just spend 2 minutes on it and then build the encyclopedia. Then after that, you could try to build the encyclopedia.

With respect, you seem to spend all your time warning and advising etc., but advice given to you doesn't seem to sink in. You are sapping my strength.

What I'm trying to say is: you should build the encyclopedia instead. Either that or try to build the encyclopedia. Let me CTRL-V that a few more times: build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia build the encyclopedia.

Do you copy? Ha ha ha. Get it? Because I copied it over and over...er...hmmmm? Please, just forget about everything else and build the encyclopedia. Okay? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I will only be in limited function this week (I may not respond as swiftly as I normally would), as I can only watch pages, revert a few edits, and either build or modify articles that interest me. As I will continue to do as you say, I hope to get some improvement suggestions before the August revamp. For now, I will change the channel to "limited function" (already said that). CHAK 001 ^{(Improvements? Please let me know!)} 05:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:11, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion tag

Hi Anna Frodesiak! :)

This is a bit random, but I was wondering, what Speedy Deletion tag would I put onto an article, that is based on a youtube account? The Youtube account, is not an official account, someone (children) have just made it, the article itself would fail WP:V (no sources), WP:OR (original thought), And I think would be classified as a hoax (?)...would you happen to know which tag? Thank You :) -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 05:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Wow. Those are a lot of reasons. You could try {{db-multiple}} or pick another from Wikipedia:Speedy. Without actually seeing the article, I can't be sure. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

The {{db-multiple}} is perfect. Thank You very much! -- MelbourneStar☆ ^{(talk to me)} 06:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Anytime. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: TV station articles

Hi Anna, Long time. I just got a chance to respond to your question. If the vandalism follows a pattern that can searched across articles, you can try to use AWB's Find and Replace function to remove the text from a list of articles. Leaving the replace text empty should delete the offending content. — Ganeshk (talk) 03:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello Ganeshk. Long time indeed. The only pattern is adding dubious content to one of two sections. The content itself varies. What we need is the ability to automatically zap those entire sections. Can that be done? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Can you show me a few examples? We can test out the find and replace on sandbox. — Ganeshk (talk) 03:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I read your question again. I doubt there is a way to zap entire sections without a pattern search involved. I suggest you ask others at WP:BOTREQ when it happens again. Maybe someone will write a special plugin for this problem. — Ganeshk (talk) 04:06, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Here are a few typical examples from a few random IPs listed at User:Anna Frodesiak/Black sandbox:

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Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:09, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Award

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		For being a wonderful presence and contributor to making wikipedia, making it a much more enjoyable website. Oh and for having the ability to draw a damn good evil Blofeld and his cat in volcano office. Thanks you Anna!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much! That's very kind. I can't believe 007 said all those bad things about you. Next time, don't tell him all the details of your plan until you are sure you've got him by the danglers. He keeps getting away and blowing up your complex. Oh, doctor, when will you learn? :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:41, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah its so mean! I reserve my right to have an underground volcano lair with piranha tank and giant blond bodyguard dressed all in black! The only place I'll be dangling 007 in the piranha tank or inside the evil elevator with trap door leading down into the tank! Have a great day!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Oh Anna, I had to laugh when i was reading your talk page, It seems you have "adopted" an interesting user who enjoys warning people. Given recent stressfull events I am very impressed with how calm and relaxed you are. Best wishes my friend as I would have lost the plot long ago :) ZooPro 13:00, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Heavens! Thank you so much. Lately, my cup has runneth over with stars. Soon, I'll have to rent space in a galaxy. (I know one that offers that service. They're expanding.) But as a Wikipedian in all seriousness, I've been sightly less calm with our friend and the warnings lately. I'm trying to regain my composure. Thank you again, and I hope all is well on your end. Multiple smiles to you. :) :) :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:18, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

And thank you again very, very much for your help with that whole IRC thing that you helped sort out on your talk page and elsewhere. You were great. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Your very welcome Anna, I will sell you a little spot on the Milky way ;), If you want some help with your current troubled adoptee please let me know, I have been a bit bored lately on wikipedia and need to take up a cause lol :) warmest regards ZooPro 00:10, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you CHAK. You are very kind. My best wishes and happiest editing to you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:27, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Check this out

Fake Apple store in Kunming. [10][11] Now I fully understand the fake honey incident! :) Viriditas (talk) 14:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

That's so funny. There was an apple store here, but it's gone. It was all white and sold only apple stuff. Does that mean it was an apple store? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:36, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Template:Hainan

If you don't object, I will merge the content of {{County-level divisions of Hainan}} to {{Hainan}}, as has been done for the templates for every other province/region of mainland China. I feel that the much more detailed amount of content in {{Hainan}} gives some undue weight, but I suppose we can afford something like this for {{Hainan}} because of the low number of county-level divisions on the island. —HXL: 聊天 (T) 和 貢獻 (C) 23:35, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello my friend. I'm not crazy about the idea.

When you say "...undue weight...", do you mean to Hainan over other provinces?

When you say "...has been done for the templates for every other province/region of mainland China...", I just looked at a few. It seems that you merged them. Could you please point me to the discussion that occurred before you did that?

The fact that other provinces have it this way doesn't make it best. Visitors to an article about some chicken dish certainly don't want a fat template containing half Prefecture-level cities and Administration Office for Xisha Islands. That template is best for articles about cities, towns, etc.

This essay makes good sense: They should be kept small in size as a large template has limited navigation value. For navigating among many articles, consider splitting them into multiple, smaller templates on each sub-topic.

In fact, I want to propose the system Hainan is using for other provinces. Now, almost all provinces have nothing at all like { {Hainan} }, and only templates like { {tld|County-level divisions of Hainan} }.

Templates in articles such as Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Anhui are typical. The templates are of no interest to visitors to non-place articles. And, these provinces lack templates like { { Hainan } }. Would you be interested in cooperating to create these templates?

What I made is modelled on Gibraltar, Hawaii, etc., by the way. Best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Responding point by point...1) Undue weight...yes over the other provinces. 2) As per policy on consensus, a complete lack of opposition is to be taken as tacit consensus. The only person that I had discussed the mass mergers with at the time was LLTimes. 3) Something as specific as a chicken dish should not be featured so prominently in a provincial template anyway... And would they be better served by a cuisine navigation template? 4) If we are going to include a potpourri of random specific subjects, we obviously will not have the space. I suggest trimming it down to what the templates for the US states do. 5) Well we can use Hainan as a testing area, and then move on to the rest? The template for the state of Virginia lists all of its 140 county-level divisions, and that has stayed for years, indicating readers don't have much of an issue seeing them there. Except for Hebei (170 or so) and Sichuan (180 or so), listing all of the county-level divisions won't be too problematic if we downsize the list as well. As far as I see it, when for example, an "old" Chinese was raised in a county-level division (Y) outside of prefecture X's metro area, they are more likely to identify with Y, not X. Combine this with the level of sacredness Chinese people take their ancestral homes... and you can't really remove the counties. 6) I would be willing to model after what ZH-Wiki is doing... do a search for, say, Template:吉林, and you won't find one. The editors there have split topics off. I recommend that part, but still modelling after the US states (broad topics, counties/county-level divisions). 7) It seems you are modelling much more after Gibraltar than Hawaii.

If we still do not have a solution, I think this discussion should move to somewhere more centralised. Not at all a small matter, but I still think a bottom-top approach is more efficient. —HXL: 聊天 (T) 和 貢獻 (C) 03:51, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

1) Well, I'm not sure undue weight is a problem when it comes to provinces. It's not like they compete. Anyway, let's leave that till last. If we embark on a navbox improvement for all China, that will become moot.

2) There was no discussion before hand. That's no problem at all. You boldly did it and nobody barked. That's fine by me.

3) Hainanese Chicken Rice can be left out of the navbox, but certainly the template is appropriate in the article. Thus, good rationale for splitting the templates, as those visitors won't care much about county-level divisions.

4) Some trimming makes sense. I would go with overall physical size, more than anything. Comprehensive, yet visually navigable.

5) As for a separate county-level division navbox: The more the merrier if in its own navbox. A complete listing is best.

6) Hainan as a testing area is a great plan for { { Hainan } }. If you are referring to a combined navbox as a model, I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure we need a model for { { County-level XXX } }. All provinces already have that sorted out. What they are missing is { { Hainan } }. I suggest we make a model and present it at Wikiproject China. Such a template can really give a great at-a-glance view of the flavour of the provinces. A real asset, I think. As it stands now, the differences between provinces are unknown to outsiders. The navboxes can really help.

7) How can you model after what ZH-Wiki is doing if you say they've all split off? I don't understand.

8) Gibraltar or Hawaii, both have the right idea. The bottom line (no joke intended) is for visitors to get a good overview without shopping through widely-scattered categories. The Hainan template, as it is now is pretty good, as far as I am concerned. As more Hainan articles are created, swap in the better ones, keeping the overall size the same.

I think we're fundamentally on the same page here: We both want to visitors to learn as much as possible about each province, in the easiest way possible. Where we part slightly, is that I think fat county-level navboxes should be separate. But I hope to convince you that, when expanded to the lovely { { Hainan } } example size, keeping them apart makes sense both aesthetically, for ease of navigation, and for the ability to omit one when necessary.

Best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:42, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

6) Hainan is the least of our worries in including administrative divisions because there only are 23 of them. I agree to disagree with you for most other provinces/regions, but not Hainan and possibly not Ningxia. I suggest a simple vote on the county-level divisions to resolve this matter, and it's about time we moved this discussion anyway. Whatever we do, we need a PRC province navigation box on each provincial template.

7) ZH-Wiki has one template for the county-level divisions, higher education institutions, protection areas, and key CCP officials as far as I can see, and I don't see entire templates dedicated anything else.

8) I still fail to understand you...the Hawaii template is much sparser and you are a comparing a state template to a territory topics template, as well as an easily-spotted-on-the-world-map archipelago versus a tiny city. —HXL: 聊天 (T) 和 貢獻 (C) 23:53, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

6) I will stay out of decision about administrative divisions and what should be included. I do care that they are not part of the main template that has lots of topics. I really think visitors don't ordinarily care much about administrative divisions.

7) Can you give me an url?

8) Sorry. I did not remember correctly. See Barbados template and Wales template. Those are what I had in mind.

So what can we agree on here? Whatever you say about administrative divisions navboxes I will agree to. Can you agree with a Hainan-style or Barbados-style or Wales-style template? I think visitors will absolutely love it.

Let's see if we can get on the same page here, then propose something at project China. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for not archiving this...I have been robbed of my Internet access, and when I can, I will post a thought-out reply here. —Xiaoyu: 聊天 (T) 和 贡献 (C) 05:47, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you have any objections to moving this (or a summary) to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:39, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Not at all. The better course of action, given that I am not willing to compromise on Hainan (because it's small) and some of my other positions. —Xiaoyu: 聊天 (T) 和 贡献 (C) 00:15, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Discussion continued at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China#Overview navboxes for each province Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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Yum yum! Thank you CHAK. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you kindly

Thank you for your support

Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. Heck, thank you for all of the work we've done together; you were one of the first people for me to interact with on a major dispute back when I became seriously involved last year, and every interaction with you since has been wonderful. Maybe one day we'll even be able to lock up the Black sandbox and throw away the key. I will do my best to meet your and the community's expectations as an admin. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Anytime, my friend. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:11, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Ambassador Program: assessment drive

Even though it's been quiet on-wiki, the Wikipedia Ambassador Program has been busy over the last few months getting ready for the next term. We're heading toward over 80 classes in the US, across all disciplines. You'll see courses start popping up here, and this time we want to match one or more Online Ambassadors to each class based on interest or expertise in the subject matter. If you see a class that you're interested, please contact the professor and/or me; the sooner the Ambassadors and professors get in communication, the better things go. Look for more in the coming weeks about next term.

In the meantime, with a little help I've identified all the articles students did significant work on in the last term. Many of the articles have never been assessed, or have ratings that are out of date from before the students improved them. Please help assess them! Pick a class, or just a few articles, and give them a rating (and add a relevant WikiProject banner if there isn't one), and then update the list of articles.

Once we have updated assessments for all these articles, we can get a better idea of how quality varied from course to course, and which approaches to running Wikipedia assignments and managing courses are most effective.

--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 17:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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Your edit summary [12] I added a diet section with a source. Is it ok? Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 19:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Puffin. I will reply at Talk:Phodopus. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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Hello, Anna Frodesiak. You have new messages at Talk:Phodopus.
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Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 10:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC)