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February 28

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February 28, 2019 (2019-02-28) (Thursday)
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(Closed) Largest contract in team sports (excluding secret soccer contracts?)

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Consensus will not develop to post.Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:58, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Bryce Harper (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Bryce Harper signs a $330 million contract for baseball's Philadelphia Phillies. (Post)
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 Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:37, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As big of a baseball fan as I am, (a) I don't think we should post sports contracts at all, and (b) to be pedantic, he hasn't signed it yet. It's an agreement that hasn't put pen to paper. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:57, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Rich athlete gets paid more money by rich team is not news. (WaltCip, logged out) --128.227.165.102 (talk) 15:58, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment a little context --LaserLegs (talk) 16:00, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    LaserLegs, two wrongs don't make a right. I opposed that one too. See, no anti-Euro bias. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:02, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment some missing refs in the body, and the accomplishments section has basically none. Needs to be fixed before it can go to the main page. It's more money they Neymar so if y'all get the article fixed up it should be posted in even less than four hours. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:11, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Why do you insist that all mistakes must be repeatedly made forever? Why, because someone does a wrong thing, must you insist they be forced to do the wrong thing again the next time it comes up? Can people not improve and better themselves? Can people not take the opportunities to stop committing mistakes and doing wrong things? To use the mistakes of the past to justify continuing to make them forever is just... weird... --Jayron32 16:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I actually don't, and have not supported posting this. I do think it's worthwhile to point out past discussions on similar nominations, especially when those discussions were contentious, but if that isn't the case, please advise accordingly. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:41, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Neymar's contract was for €296MM/5 years, or about $67MM/year, which is roughly twice what Harper is getting. In addition to that, PSG paid his old club €222MM just for the rights to sign him. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:45, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's not happening. Notice the blue tag at the top of the article. Notice the complete lack of update in the article. That's because it's based on unconfirmed reports via anonymous sources. Obviously the Phillies and Harper's camps would be denying it if it wasn't true, but it's still an agreement that hasn't yet been consummated and probably won't be until the weekend, or Monday. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:17, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The total money for a contract seems an arbitrary metric to claim it's somehow significant, on a per-year basis many team athletes make more money. This seems worded in a particular way to make it seem more impressive. Also, the article quality is not up to main-page standards. --Jayron32 16:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. First reason for opposition is that the Phillies have not confirmed the contract yet; as of right now, this is based on anonymous sources. Second reason per Jayron32--it's not the largest contract by average annual value and is only the largest due to it's unusually large length; several athletes (Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar) make double what Bryce Harper is reported to be receiving annually, and Harper isn't even the highest paid baseball player by average annual value. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]
  • Oppose Quality, timing, and lack of relative importance. --Masem (t) 18:48, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – on lack of general significance. Sca (talk) 21:44, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Norma Paulus

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Article: Norma Paulus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Willamette Week
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: GA quality. EternalNomad (talk) 02:58, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Pulled): André Previn

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Article: André Previn (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ German-American pianist, conductor, and composer André Previn dies at the age of 89 (Post)
News source(s): BBC, New York Times, Washington Post, Variety, Sydney Morning Herald, Times of India
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Article updated

 Mjroots (talk) 18:36, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Very interesting comment. – Sca (talk) 13:49, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And what did you wear in the mid-'70s? Post a pic please. – Sca (talk) 21:50, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All hands needed on deck, as vast armies of vandals, trolls and Putinbots are clearly conspiring to keep "wearing terrible polo-neck sweaters" out of the criteria for RD blurbs (but fortunately it's not needed explicitly, as it makes him a transformative world leader in the field of fashion). Tlhslobus (talk) 06:02, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if joking? "Major transformative world leader" is the explicit standard for if one deserves a blurb. So maybe pull until everyone can review the agreed upon criterion? GreatCaesarsGhost 22:04, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's "major transformative world leaders in their field", isn't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not. It's "In rare cases, major transformative world leaders in their field". I assert that this is not such a case. Pull. If, a week from now, there are still wall-to-wall headlines about this person's death, you may all point at me and laugh about how I was wrong. —Cryptic 22:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So we first apply the MTWLITF bit. And then we whittle it down with an additional percentage criterion? What does "rare" mean? Only 5% of the leaders get posted? I must admit, I had always thought the "rare cases" to mean "rare cases of all RDs". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting pull - I actually do not expect this to be pulled (minimize disruption), but I am stating the obvious, the lack of sources on the recording section should have kept this off the RD or blurb to start. Any non-blue-linked work needs a reference. --Masem (t) 16:30, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Which recordings do you believe are hoaxes, and what searches for sources have you tried? You have checked this first, right? Alright, I know the burden is on those supporting the blurb to get the sourcing sorted out, but now it's on the main page we might as well roll up our sleeves and help out. It'll get done in half the time. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:14, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's about quality, not contesting the information. A non-blue-linked source, I have no easy reference to look at to determine if he was involved with it. My !vote here is not so much to demand a pull but to issue my concern that it was posted with no acknowledgement about the poor reference for a main-page featured article that Martinevans pointed out. And its not that one or two missed references would be a problem, its that around 20% when I checked were unsourced, and that's just too high. --Masem (t) 17:44, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I want to stress that I never actually expected this to have been pulled. I can understand pulling a blurb that had been up under a couple hours , but this one was on the main page long enough to make the pull disruptive. I also note I would have supported a blurb in this case otherwise, outside the ref issues. --Masem (t) 16:43, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull upon reflection, it needs to come down. I'm rather surprised at some of the supports above, given the usual eye for missing refs and quality around here. There were recent RD noms that were shot down for unreferenced lists of works, not speedy posted as a blurb. Come on. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:17, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull - Is this real life? Looks like strong bias over here. So many unrefs in the article! Sherenk1 (talk) 03:18, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull - I'm not sure whether it's fair that the article has so many CNs (for instance some of the CNs were added in such a way that they broke wikilinks, which were then left unfixed until I fixed them just now). But the fact remains that it has about 80 CNs and 3 orange tags, including one at the start of the article, which is surely some kind of record for a front page blurbed article.Tlhslobus (talk) 06:37, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pulled, neither blurb nor RD worthy as heavily tagged. Stephen 07:06, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb in principle. Obviously it had to go because of the ref issues, but if they're fixed it should go back to a blurb. He was certainly a transformative figure in the music world.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:40, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Pulling Previn makes English Wikipedia look very amateurish. Well, he's still on the French, German, Dutch, Danish and Norwegian Wikis. – Sca (talk) 13:50, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pulling (which probably few readers will even notice) doesn't make us look anywhere near as amateurish as leaving the article linked to the front page with vast numbers of tags, which would be actively advertising our amateurishness. Though ironically the only remotely sensible argument for not pulling is that we are almost all supposed to be amateurs   Tlhslobus (talk) 14:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
PLEASE, no Gershwin! (Or Copeland, either.) – Sca (talk) 16:33, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks like he's being well rewarded for changing his name from Andreas Ludwig Priwin to André George Previn, even tho he should really have changed it to André Georges Prévin if he wanted a blurb. Tlhslobus (talk) 16:30, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Or even Andrew George Preview. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:40, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It was pulled because of 82 cn tags. Openlydialectic (talk) 14:36, 2 March 2019 (UTC) Blocked sock. Zingarese talk · contribs 05:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"The Devil finds work...." – Sca (talk) 16:48, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blurb on importance, oppose RD on quality still dozens of CN tags. No notability - virtually unheard of outside of the UK and a few other Western European countries. Considering how we barely managed to post blurb about the death of Indian Prime Minister who ruled the country for more than 10 years and gave it nukes, I strongly believe posting this guy would just look outrageously biased. But then again, we almost posted blurb about Chicago mayoral elections a week ago so what do I know. I guess soon we'll be posting mayoral elections in swiss villages and blurbs about deaths of local british DJs too. Openlydialectic (talk) 14:36, 2 March 2019 (UTC) Blocked sock. Zingarese talk · contribs 05:17, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense, as Swiss villages don't count as part of the Anglo-American world   Tlhslobus (talk) 14:50, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
... "virtually unheard of outside of the UK and a few other Western European countries". Is that a joke? You're seriously comparing Previn to a "local british DJ"? Wow. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What an absurd comment, Openlydialectic. This is one of the most important figures in the arts world in the 20th century! And if he is “virtually unheard of outside the UK and a few other Western European countries”, explain how the hell he won four Oscars and ten Grammys!! I don’t need to go into details about what makes your comment so absurd, but just because you have not heard of Previn doesn’t mean other people haven’t. Zingarese talk · contribs 15:21, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The trouble is the rest of us are all living in some strange parrallel universe in which the British foolishly went home after burning down the White House in the War of 1812, so we ignorantly fail to realize that Oscars and Grammys are awards of the most glorious British Empire   Tlhslobus (talk) 15:46, 2 March 2019 (UTC) [reply]
That's why we're so keen to post a blurb about a dead American-German. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:50, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, well, this user was just blocked indefinitely for evasion, so he needn't do any explaining now...   Zingarese talk · contribs 03:48, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But on the plus said, we can now feel smug about the Überheiligkeit of our Holy Main Page, as Gerda calls it. – Sca (talk) 16:56, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seemingly not on this occasion (assuming you're referring to the poster rather than the puller) - there was only 1 CN and no orange tags when the blurb was posted (see here) and the same when the article was earlier posted to RD (see here). There had been 4 unopposed supports for a blurb in the previous 15 hours, and the article was marked Ready for blurb, before the blurb was posted. Two minutes later another support was added by MartinEvans123, who had earlier said quality needed improving, but was seemingly now satisfied. Over 80 tags were added after the blurb was posted, most or all by just 1 user, since indefinitely blocked as a suspected sockpuppet (although many, most, or all of the tags would have been/ would be at least arguably legitimate, at least if they had been made by a legitimate editor - I'm not sure how we are supposed to treat them given that he wasn't legit) . Tlhslobus (talk) 07:00, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • One problem may have been the incorrect claim above (before the blurb was posted) that the discography had been content-forked when all that had happened was that it had been copied to a new Wikilinked article, but without being removed from the parent article; however many of the new tags were added outside the discography section, so a proper content fork would presumably not have been a complete solution. However 11 of these non-discography CNs (those for the Grammys) are arguably inappropriate (as well as added in such a way as to break existing wikilinks, which had to be fixed later), being arguably already covered in the 1 citation for the Grammy section , and have since been removed, so that a content fork may arguably now come fairly close to fixing our problem (tho a counter-argument is that our awards don't normally precisely match the source, with differences in wording and in year numbering, our years usually being 1 year ahead of the source's year both in the Previn article and in our Grammy articles (because the 2010 awards are given early in 2011, etc) , and we were/are linking to the wrong awards at least once (but it gets worse as his Lifetime achievement is 53rd Grammies, but we currently list all that year's Lifetime achievements as 52nd Grammies, etc, so just fixing this one digit error may be a fairly major hassle); also the source, www.grammy.com, confusingly says he won 10 Grammys but lists 13 wins for him, while we list 11). And so on. Tlhslobus (talk) 07:00, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • That seems a very fair analysis. As explained above, I'm sorry if my support for the blurb was premature or was less clear than it could have been. We're now down to only 36 indef-block-sock-tags, by the way. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:30, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • No need to apologize for such a peccadillo, Martin, otherwise this place may end up looking like a queue outside a Catholic confessional, and none of us will have any time to do any proper edits.   Tlhslobus (talk) 15:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The fork might have to be changed from discography to 'discography and awards' (if that's legit - I'm not sure it is), as I gave up trying to fix the Grammies section after discovering that might be a lot harder than I had originally expected (for reasons partly mentioned above, and partly also at the Talk Page for the 52nd Grammy article). Tlhslobus (talk) 16:42, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • From above: "The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves". judge the update, seems clear to me, though I've not ascended to the ranks of adminship. Perhaps if we had not rushed this "critically important dead German jazz composer" to the front page in just 15 hours, the glaring defects would have been tagged and ITN spared the embarrassment. Oh well. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:09, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But the update (which in this case was just the bit saying Previn was dead) and consensus to post were fine. The problem (if there actually was one at the time, which seems debatable even with the help of hindsight) was with article quality, and I'm not sure who, if anyone, is supposed to be accountable for judging that. But even if it turns out that's also the responsibility of the posting admin, if posting admins are going to get crucified by us for a case as complex and unclear (and unusual) as this one, we may end up with a lot of infuriatingly unnecessary posting delays. Also, 15 hours here (actually quite a bit more if counting from nom time) doesn't seem outrageously short, at least to me. And almost all the blame for any brief and minor ITN embarrassment at least arguably belongs to a reckless POV-pushing sockpuppet, not to the posting admin. Tlhslobus (talk) 15:42, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Did you want to make any improvements at André Previn? I'm not sure he's a "dead German jazz composer", critically important or not. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Laserlegs doesn't work on content. However, while the RD was posted and I supported the blurb, and made a clear call on consensus, it was still down to the posting admin to read the article for quality. Oh, and forking off discographies, filmographies, or whatever, has been going on for a while so to be somehow surprised or disappointed is simply mildly amusing. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:20, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, I read articles before !voting. Oh well. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:24, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and good for you, great job. Thanks for being that last line of defence, "your country needs you"! It does appear we may need to look at admins posting material too swiftly, regardless of consensus, as I noted, which is, as always, a shame. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:33, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In fairness, TRM, the fact that you gave this one the green light with your support vote may well have contributed to this one being posted prematurely. I don't disagree that the admin should have checked the thing over before posting, but given your eagle eye for all matters main page, I would personally tend to assume that something you've personally OKd is good to go, or at least less in need of detailed checking...  — Amakuru (talk) 11:36, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Haha. Laser, you were the first to congratulate the Admin on his speedy posting with your "two dead Germans in a box" comment! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:41, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) I'm not sure you should load me with that responsibility. I'm not an admin, and the posting admin has made a few quick choices. If I could offer any reasoning to my position, I already have, it was posted as RD with no objection (at the time) and I simply offered my perspective that I believe Previn to have been transformative and thus worthy of a blurb. No point in pursuing blame beyond that, after all my opinions and posts could have simply been ignored, I'm not a superuser, more like a personnongratauser, so I'm not taking any flak on this one, admins need to take full and 100% responsibility for their actions when creating and updating the main page. Perhaps someone would like to encourage the posting admin to comment rather than uniquely conversing with one or two of the contributors. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:43, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't blaming you, just offering a potential scenario that may have occurred, and which may or may not be a reason for the premature posting. Anyway, I'm not going to get dragged into this any further... others can be the judge of what happens next. And if I'm ever posting stuff myself in future then I'll certainly take care whether the thing has your vote or not. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 11:52, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You shouldn't take care whoever is voting. It doesn't matter, the admin responsibility is to maintain the integrity of the main page, not to simply vote count, or even see a consensus where one doesn't exist. Admins are charged with this responsibility, and if they continually make errors of judgement in this regard, they should not be allowed the tools to continue to do so. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:58, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • So is this nomination stale yet or not? The small "Orchestral music" sub-section seems to be the main part of the residual problem. Sources could perhaps be found. Or it could be commented out while we search. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:09, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's not stale, there are older blurbs still in the box. The large "Jazz recordings as leader/co-leader" section missing refs is an issue. You can't comment out a list of what makes a person WP:Notable and still be "minimally comprehensive" as stipulated by WP:ITN I'm afraid. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:21, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • don't repost - It was deplorable that "he" was pulled (instead of improved or shortened) for formality reasons, but to bring him back now would look even sader. What can we do to not let such a thing happen again? The stats show that our mentioning or not doesn't make a difference when the public is interested (note that the first peak was the day before he was posted), and not to show a person on the Main page in whom the public is interested is no service to readers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've commented out the giggling item as not important. However the "Orchestral music" sub-section is quite important - someone more familiar with classical music might be able to find sources or take the bold decision to comment it out while the search continues. Being the last entry means he's likely to be pushed off soon anyway. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Re-posting as a blurb is a separate question. Looks like it's not going to happen. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:27, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 27

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February 27, 2019 (2019-02-27) (Wednesday)
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(Closed) Cairo train disaster

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Unimproved. Stephen 05:02, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Ramses Station train collision (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 25 people die in the train collision and subsequent fire engulfing the Ramses Station in central Cairo, Egypt (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: At least 25 dead. Openlydialectic (talk) 03:05, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2019 India–Pakistan standoff

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Article: 2019 India–Pakistan standoff (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Military confrontation between India and Pakistan escalates after both countries conduct airstrikes. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Update to existing: India and Pakistan skirmish, following an air strike by India.
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Nominator's comments: This is a new article for a recently escalated conflict, and is worth mentioning in the Ongoing line, particularly since it involves two nations with nuclear bombs that are now apparently shooting down each other's aircraft. Mikael Häggström (talk) 12:25, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Not a war but a tit for tat airspace violation. This is over and not an ongoing war. At least not yet. There is no evidence or implication that any of the 2 countries will take further military action. Infact we have statemens where both countries have clearly indicated their stand that they have no intentions of escalating this. --DBigXrayᗙ 17:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Can you clarify your position? Are you opposing including this as "ongoing", or changing the blurb about the Balakot airstrike to include the India-Pakistan standoff, or both? There are two different proposals here.Bless sins (talk) 17:32, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
– Outdated – it's not escalating at present. This complex and frequently changing story belongs in Ongoing. – Sca (talk) 14:14, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Okay I've moved it to ongoing for now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Stephen: can you contribute to this discussion instead of just reverting? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:41, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Per the other discussion on errors you mean? Stephen 21:49, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to “Heightened tensions remain between India and Pakistan after both countries conduct airstrikes.” Improvements welcomed. Stephen 22:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support move to Ongoing - on reflection I think MSGJ made the right call in moving it to Ongoing. It's true that the original story has been superseded by the thawing of relations in recent days, and the new phrasing makes it no longer look like a news story, but rather something which is ongoing... which is precisely the purpose of the Ongoing section   Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 22:34, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    If there are no further comments then I will stick it back in ongoing — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Why not let it cycle off the list like every other item does? Stephen 12:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suggest the blurb be updated to:

"Pakistan releases the captured Indian pilot of downed MiG-21 Bison as a 'peace gesture'."

Pakistan returns Indian pilot shot down over Kashmir in 'peace gesture' - The Guardian

Indian pilot handed back by Pakistan in ‘peace gesture’ - Arab News

Abhinandan: Captured Indian pilot handed back by Pakistan - BBC News120.18.121.9 (talk) 04:14, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 Nigerian general election

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Article: 2019 Nigerian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Muhammadu Buhari is reelected President of Nigeria. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Muhammadu Buhari is reelected President of Nigeria and the oppositionist Atiku Abubakar rejects the results.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Telegraph, The Washington Post
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: General Election in one of the most important African nations. Article is being updated. SirEdimon (talk) 04:42, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2019 Taplejung helicopter crash

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No consensus. Stephen 05:00, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019 Taplejung helicopter crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Air Dynasty's helicopter crashed in Taplejung which was carrying Minister of Culture, Tourism and Civil Aviation of Nepal Rabindra Prasad Adhikari. (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2], [3], [4]
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 ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 13:40, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Rabindra Prasad Adhikari

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Unimproved. Stephen 05:02, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Rabindra Prasad Adhikari (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 15:39, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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February 26

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February 26, 2019 (2019-02-26) (Tuesday)
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(Posted) RD: Wang Yening

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Article: Wang Yening (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Paper
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She died on the 22nd, but it was not reported until the 26th. Zanhe (talk) 05:49, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2019 Chicago mayoral election

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Consensus against on lack of significance, parochial character. (non-admin closure) – Sca (talk) 13:32, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019 Chicago mayoral election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chicago will become USA's most populous city to ever elect a black woman mayor after Lori Lightfoot and Toni Preckwinkle advance to runoff in 2019 Chicago mayoral election. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, Chicago Sun-Times, AP News
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Nominator's comments: Mayoral election in the USA's third-largest city. --> Dotdh15 (talk) 06:19, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support The fact that Chicago will be the largest city to have an African-American female mayor is historical and long overdue, I am not sure if it's globally newsworthy. Article in good shape though. Perhaps it will become more newsworthy once a mayor is elected on April 2. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:24, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Have the regulars become that braindead? The "something unique" is right there at the beginning of the blurb. What I would have a problem with is the use of "first round". It appears that this IS the election and that you're comparing the difference between a general and runoff election to something like a primary and general election, and they're not comparable. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 07:14, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant, and article is good. But if we want to wait until the final winner is determined on April 2, I'm fine with that, too. Davey2116 (talk) 08:01, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the election is finished, then we can evaluate article quality and news coverage. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:10, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Local politics story, lacking in significance. A bit of perspective is needed here - it is incredibly unlikely that a similar story would be published if this "news" took place in any other country that has a majority white population. This "news" doesn't become any more special just because it happened in the US. Chrisclear (talk) 10:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Much like the George Pell story, this is significant but too incremental. If I support this, I am bound to support when it happens in LA, then NY. We've now a had a black female SOS, and there is a very decent chance we have a president in two years. Fortunately, the time has passed for this. ghost 10:55, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose it's an election for a position that's not of great significance in a single city in a single country in the whole wide world. The significance is race- and gender-based too, which is of dubious value as well. It's just not of international interest. Banedon (talk) 11:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Local politics, very local story. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2019 Balakot airstrike

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Article: 2019 Balakot airstrike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Indian Air Force conducts pre-emptive airstrikes at Balakot in Pakistan (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ India says it launched air strikes against militants in Pakistani territory after a suicide bombing earlier this month that killed 46 Indian soldiers.
Alternative blurb II: ​ India says it launched air strikes against Kashmiri militants in Pakistani territory in a major escalation of tensions between the two countries.
Alternative blurb III: ​ India conducts an air strike against suspected Kashmiri militants in Balakot, Pakistan.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ India conducts an air strike against suspected militants in Balakot, Pakistan.
Alternative blurb V: ​ Indian military aircrafts dropped bombs in Balakot, Pakistan.
News source(s): The Hindu, Reuters, BBC, AP, Guardian
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Nominator's comments: A major international event. The terrorist camps in Pakistan were hit. Pakistan confirmed that incursions by the Indian Air Force occurred and Pakistani jets were scrambled in response. DBigXrayᗙ 06:45, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sherenk1, the problem with Blurb2 is that it is factually incorrect, they are "Pakistani" militants. Jaish-e-Mohammed#Membership consists primarily of Pakistani citizens and not Kashmiris as it is being claimed in the blurb2.--DBigXrayᗙ 09:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
User:DBigXray This is the wording used in BBC news article.Sherenk1 (talk) 09:35, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I support it in principle as it seems to be an important diplomatic event for that region. The article is small, but for sure it'll be improved in a short time. Like everything that involves the relations between India and Pakistan, it's a controversial matter, so I suggest we be very careful with the blurb and all the information on the article before publishing it.--SirEdimon (talk) 07:09, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the kind comments.SirEdimon, indeed since it is a controversial matter, the blurb I proposed is based on news that is confirmed by both Indian and Pakistani official sources. Even Pakistani ISI Spox has confirmed that Balakote was bombed by Indian jets. Source: Dawn (a Pakistani Newspaper that kowtows official narrative) --DBigXrayᗙ 07:15, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
DBigXray I think you misunderstood it. I did not specifically criticize your blurb. I spoke in a general way, as this matter is very contentious, I think, in a general way, we should be prudent to avoid issues. This is what I meant.--SirEdimon (talk) 07:22, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. I clarified just in case someone else has this thought. Regards.--DBigXrayᗙ 07:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
...and we can hardly have a blurb that says "India pretends to launch an airstrike...", etc., whatever the BBC say; we'd be laughing stocks! ——SerialNumber54129 12:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, alt blurb 3 looks OK to me. Nsk92 (talk) 12:50, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but none of the blurbs seem okay. I don't agree that the militants targeted were Kashmiri militants. The territory where the strikes allegedly happened is undisputed Pakistani territory (India does not claim this land) called Khyber Pakhtunwala. The people residing there may not be Kashmiris. Alt blurb 3 is okay for me if you remove "Kashmiri". Breakfastisready (talk) 14:03, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Breakfastisready  I added blurb4 based on your feedback. Even  I support the same. --DBigXrayᗙ 14:23, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but just repeating opposite, mutually exclusive claims doesn't inform readers very well. This incident could be just a footnote or a new chapter, depending on what actually happened on the ground. Sca (talk) 15:45, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The airstrike happened, we can inform readers of that, and inform them about the conflicting reports of casualties from the involved parties. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:39, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In other words, this remains a developing story. Wait. Sca (talk) 18:14, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Very cool ideogram. Sca (talk) 23:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Suraj.sharma.1992: Even if that is true, (it just seems to be your opinion at the moment) the motivation of the attack is not relevant as to whether it merits posting to ITN. If anything, attacking another country for political purposes at home is more of a reason to post it, not less. 331dot (talk) 18:48, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
See this: "This Is Called 56-Inch Chest": BJP Leader Praises PM Over Balakot Strike. Operations like these are used by the PM to project that he is astrong leader. --Suraj.sharma.1992 (talk) 19:01, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Following articles also say this: 1 2 3 4 --Suraj.sharma.1992 (talk) 20:37, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
See this CNN article: Why being seen as tough on Pakistan helps India's Modi --Suraj.sharma.1992 (talk) 22:11, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Which only proves that the attack is significantly in the news, and those reading about it in the news might find it helpful to easily locate the Wikipedia article about it. These are reasons to post it, not keep it off. 331dot (talk) 22:13, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You are right. I have withdrawn Oppose vote. --Suraj.sharma.1992 (talk) 22:29, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Muboshgu. Can someone give the credits. Regards.--DBigXrayᗙ 04:26, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) George Pell

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Articles: George Pell (talk · history · tag) and History of the Catholic Church (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Cardinal George Pell becomes the highest ranking member of the Catholic Church to ever be convicted of child sexual assault. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: This dovetails nicely with the allegedly ITN-worthy summit the Pope held earlier and can be folded into that blurb if so desired. Abductive (reasoning) 08:28, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Significance needs to be assessed with the knowledge that Pell was convicted on 11 December and our article stated this soon after (th e blurb should be refactored to be clear on this). It is only making the press today because the Australian gagging order has been lifted. Some foreign press such as the Washington Post reported it at the time - Dumelow (talk) 08:40, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support. (If article us up to scratch). This is the major story about this at the moment, not the pope's summit which shouldn't even have been posted. The Pell conviction is front page news in the UK, France, US etc. and is of general news worthiness for ITN.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support posting the conviction of such a high ranking church official. 331dot (talk) 11:55, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support vitally important newsworthy quality story. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:19, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Support in terms of significance, but it really should link to a separate article on Pell's trial and conviction. The target biographical article, in its first sentence, identifies him as "an Australian prelate ... and the Church's most senior official to be convicted of a sexual offence." Normal bio articles don't usually spotlight the subject's most egregious misdeed right off the bat. Apropos BLP, note that Pell says he plans to appeal. And more than one source is mandatory. – Sca (talk) 14:57, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this OR the Popes summit, not both. At some point we need to stop reporting every minor development in the internal scandals of a private members organization. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:15, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The nomination should be considered on its own. At times it's been a fairly high-profile story in the English-speaking world. Sca (talk) 15:49, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose That's a fine argument at ITNC, but we should still consider the risk of giving undue weight on the main page to clergy rape stories when a) the summit was a nothing-burger and b) the conviction of Pell was widely reported months ago. It's an accepted fact the clergy at all levels were engaged in this behavior. Many have been convicted. It seems the argument for posting today is a) this is the official announcement of the conviction and b) this guy is a cardinal. This is perverted logic; the fact that he's a cardinal has no impact on his ability to commit crimes and be convicted of them. ghost 16:20, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This user does not reply to users who don't exist. – Sca (talk) 16:28, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ghosts are people too, you know. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:36, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Were people, you mean. Sca (talk) 17:09, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But do Scas exist, and, if so, what are they? (Admittedly I'm also not too sure about the existence and nature of tlhslobusses either, but then consistency is reportedly the hobgoblin of little minds) Tlhslobus (talk) 15:00, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't think it's fair to call it "widely reported months ago" when it was not reported in Australia, Pell's home country, at all until yesterday. -dmmaus (talk) 05:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Australia has the internet. It may not have been reported in the MSM due to the gag rule, but even the great firewall of China could not have prevented this info from reaching anyone who cared. Separately, I'm striking my opposition in light of the fact that posting this would bump the pope story, thus greatly mitigating UNDUE concerns. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:58, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because he's in the news? We have criminals' pictures on the main page regularly, in all the different sections, if an article about them is in the appropriate slot. ‑ Iridescent 20:05, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) School strike for climate

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Article: School strike for climate (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Motivation: more then 10.000 school strikers in several countries every week, continuously in the news and spurring the debate about global warming in the news. --PJ Geest (talk) 09:16, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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February 25

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(Posted) RD: Paulo Nogueira Neto

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Article: Paulo Nogueira Neto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Estado de Minas, Folha, Globo
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Nominator's comments: Brazilian environmentalist. Fuebaey (talk) 21:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Beverley Owen

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Article: Beverley Owen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. The news reports were only published on 25 Feb, even though she died on 21. DBigXrayᗙ 16:25, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MSGJ we have a very recent example of the Argentina footballer Emiliano Sala. His RD was posted after confirmed reports were published. I think it is fair to consider the date of the reports of death to decide stale or not. There is no way anyone can nominate an RD unless death is reported in media. --DBigXrayᗙ 19:14, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ernst-Wolfgang Böckenförde

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Article: Ernst-Wolfgang Böckenförde (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Spiegel
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Nominator's comments: Important German expert for constitutional law, former judge of the German Constitutional Court. Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mark Hollis

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Article: Mark Hollis (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Perrone, Pierre (8 October 2012). "After all this time, it's still good to Talk Talk". The Independent. Retrieved 25 February 2019."Mark Hollis, lead singer of Talk Talk, dies at age 64, reports say". The Guardian. 25 February 2019. Retrieved 25 February 2019.
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Nominator's comments: Known as the singer of English pop-rock band Talk Talk. While an official date of death has not yet been confirmed, Hollis has been reported dead as of 25 February 2019. —BLZ · talk 01:36, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 24

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(Closed) Biman Bangladesh Airlines Flight 147

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Article: Biman Bangladesh Airlines Flight 147 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ a hijack-attempt at a Biman Bangladesh Airlines Boeing 737-800 was foiled by Bangladesh armed forces in Chittagong with all the passengers being rescued unharmed. (Post)
News source(s): [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20]
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(Posted) RD: Mac Wiseman

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Article: Mac Wiseman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. American bluegrass music (country) artist. --DBigXray (talk) 11:04, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lothar Zenetti

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Article: Lothar Zenetti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): katholisch.de
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Nominator's comments: Writer and publicist, influential hymnwriter - I began his article in 2016. Sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Margaret Scott (dancer)

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Article: Margaret Scott (dancer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): danceaustralia
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Nominator's comments: influential ballet dancer, article looked already decent when I checked --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 91st Academy Awards

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Article: 91st Academy Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Green Book wins Best Picture at the Academy Awards. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Green Book wins Best Picture and Bohemian Rhapsody wins in four categories at the Academy Awards.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Green Book wins Best Picture and Bohemian Rhapsody wins the most awards with four at the Academy Awards.
News source(s): CNN
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Preping this with only two awards to go in the ceremony (Director and Film). The article has been updated as it has gone on, and it is more than just tables (it discusses the controversy of the host) Masem (t) 04:05, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer alt1. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 15:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Antoine Gizenga

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Article: Antoine Gizenga (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Soir
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Nominator's comments: Congolese politician. Fuebaey (talk) 19:52, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Vatican sexual abuse summit

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Article: Vatican sexual abuse summit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Pope Francis holds a summit on sexual abuse in Vatican City. (Post)
News source(s): AP BBC NPR NYT WaPo
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Nominator's comments: Unprecedented summit on clerical sexual abuse. It ran from Feb. 21-24. Article was thrown together just now, so there might be some things missing. Could use some pictures. Ununseti (talk) 15:32, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Li Xueqin

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Article: Li Xueqin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Beijing News
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Nominator's comments: The most famous living historian in China, until now. Zanhe (talk) 02:13, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 23

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(Posted) RD: Douglas

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Article: Douglas (parrot) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTL Nieuws, Der Spiegel, SVT
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian actor. Fuebaey (talk) 20:23, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Proposed deletion rationale is as follows: "This is a parrot that had one film role. Not at all notable. Most actors/actresses who have had only one film role usually have their wikipedia pages deleted as there isn't enough merit to this 'celebrity' status. Same should apply to animal actors." Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Given that we've moved to 6 RDs if they fit on 2 lines, I've put him back. Stephen 23:40, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, too confused to keep track any more. The PROD has now been removed anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:42, 25 February 2019 (UTC) .... let's hope it doesn't get "nailed to its perch." [reply]
Pretty flighty RD stint. Maybe that means he's not still dead? A winged vampire? Sca (talk) 16:53, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Assam alcohol poisonings

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Article: Assam alcohol poisonings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 133 people have died and more than 100 are being treated in hospital after drinking toxic bootleg alcohol in north-eastern India. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, toll 133 nowIndia Today
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Article has just been created. Great loss of life. Sherenk1 (talk) 16:09, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So you're telling us you'd rather be alive than dead? Sca (talk) 22:32, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Stanley Donen

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Article: Stanley Donen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Director of Singin’ in the Rain. Article is rated GA class. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:28, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All citations accounted for. User:Yorkshiresky did some great work and hopefully will vote. I think some of the unreferenced info was added after it became a GA.--Phibesfan (talk) 19:02, 23 February 2019 (UTC)--Phibesfan (talk) 19:02, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but also believe that it should be a main headline instead of just Recent Deaths.--Phibesfan (talk) 19:35, 23 February 2019 (UTC)--Phibesfan (talk) 19:35, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shipping of humanitarian aid to Venezuela

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Articles: 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis (talk · history · tag) and 2019 shipping of humanitarian aid to Venezuela (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Fourteen people are killed while humanitarian aid was tried to be transported to Venezuela (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Fourteen people are killed and at least 285 injured while humanitarian aid was tried to be transported to Venezuela
News source(s): El PaísThe Washington PostThe Guardian
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Nominator's comments: I know I'm nominating this some days late, but the event is not stale. Worthy of mention is also the burning of three trucks containing aid; there has been a lot of coverage regarding the event. The crisis will probably have important news while it is ongoing, and we don't know for sure how much it will last. That said, I truly think that nominations should have a blurb when a notable event in Venezuela happens, such as this ammount of these deaths. I encourage any recommendation and fix regarding grammar. Jamez42 (talk) 14:09, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 22

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(Posted) RD: Morgan Woodward

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Article: Morgan Woodward (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dallas News, Hollywood Reporter
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Nominator's comments: Start Class article about an American actor with everything sourced. DBigXrayᗙ 09:14, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to Ongoing) Sudanese protests (2018–19)

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Article: Sudanese protests (2018–19) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Important political event in Africa. Article needs to be updated. --SirEdimon (talk) 03:46, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Clark James Gable

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Stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 21:28, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Clark James Gable (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: American actor, and grandson of Clark Gable, dies at age 30. Davey2116 (talk) 01:32, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Brody Stevens

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Stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 21:29, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Brody Stevens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: American comedian dies in apparent suicide at age 48. Davey2116 (talk) 01:32, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Biodiversity loss

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No consensus to post. Stephen 22:26, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Biodiversity loss (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The UN's FAO reports a decline in the biodiversity required for the world's food. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: This is the latest in a series of alarming reports warning of a significant decline in biodiversity. Andrew D. (talk) 11:16, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Four new letters in DNA alphabet

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Article: Hachimoji DNA (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists synthesize four new letters that can be used in DNA (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Scientists synthesize Hachimoji DNA composed of four additional nucleobases than those naturally found in DNA.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Scientists create viable DNA, using four additional new bases, greatly expanding the types of life forms that may exist in the universe.
News source(s): [21][22][23][24][25]
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 Banedon (talk) 05:18, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Scientists manufacture DNA with 8 bases."? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:08, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Rather obscure; significance unclear. Sca (talk) 21:33, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Creating artificial nucleobases and doubling the number of DNA letters is absolutely revolutionary. Nobody can tell what the long-term implications will be (this could lead to things we can't even imagine), but it'll surely be more significant than 100% of the sports tournaments we regularly feature on ITN. The research is published in Science so it's solid, and the article is good quality, kudos to Drbogdan. -Zanhe (talk) 06:34, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Yes - *entirely* agree with comments above supporting (or approving) this proposed candidate for ITN - another possible blurb (or equivalent) may be as follows: "Scientists create viable DNA, using four additional new bases, greatly expanding the types of life forms that may exist in the universe." - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 14:20, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • We don't know if it's "viable". Yes, it forms a double helix but they haven't shown anything like replicability, and decoding to actual proteins. Also "may exist" is far too speculative. Basically, this is far too basic research at the current state for the ITN; if they demonstrated a viable single cell organism that actually used the 8-base DNA, then that might be worth talking about. --Masem (t) 16:37, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Masem: Apparently, the researchers adapted an enzyme ("T7 polymerase") to produce unnatural "Hachimoji genes", which, in turn, were used to produce unnatural "Hachimoji RNA", and later, "Hachimoji proteins".[1][and related refs at "Hachimoji DNA#References"?] - afaik - this is, in itself, at least a form of "viable DNA" I would think - although there may be greater degrees/levels of "viability" as noted of course - in addition - expanding the usual genetic code from 4 natural bases to 8 bases suggest that the usual 4 natural bases (A,C,G,T) are not unique to producing a successful molecular genetic system - and, as a result, opens up the possibility of life existing in the universe of a kind not as we know it - iac - hope this helps in some way - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 18:37, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Dumé, Bello (22 February 2019). "Hachimoji DNA doubles the genetic code". Physics World. Retrieved 22 February 2019.
The good news is, we got Mr. Iconic's dark glasses out of the ITN box. – Sca (talk) 15:26, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 21

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(Posted) RD: Hilde Zadek

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Article: Hilde Zadek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vienna State Opera
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Soprano for decades in major roles at the Vienna State Opera, international guest performances. For a pleasant change, the article was already decently referenced, and with the obituaries, even more could be done if needed. - Looking closer, it looked so decent because Grimes2 already updated before me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: E Dongchen

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Article: E Dongchen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): China Daily
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Nominator's comments: Chinese scientist and polar explorer. Zanhe (talk) 01:33, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Nick Cafardo

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Article: Nick Cafardo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boston Globe
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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. Sports Columnist DBigXrayᗙ 05:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Don't see any pressing issues. Nohomersryan (talk) 06:33, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support short but okay; marked as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 07:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Are these really the types of sources we want to use on a BLP?--- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:27, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Coffeeandcrumbs: I think they are okay... if you disagree, feel free to remove the "ready' tag --DannyS712 (talk) 17:16, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I checked all three out, here's my analysis: The first is the website of the Whitman Times, from Whitman, Massachusetts, a legitimate local newspaper. It's a small circulation local paper, but I have no reason to doubt that it is a legit newspaper. It seems perfectly reliable. The second is his CV from an organization he worked for; it would not be independent for the purpose of determining notability, but otherwise I have no reason to doubt its reliability (reliable sources and independent sources are different things; sources that are not independent are fine so long as they are reliable, and are not being used to justify inclusion per WP:N). The third source is borderline, but 1) the writer does list his own sources, so that helps and 2) It isn't being used to provide a source for contentious information. I think its OK, it would be better if it were supplemented with a higher quality source, but it's not enough to get bent out of shape over. Based on my analysis, I am not worried about any of the three sources as worth holding this off the main page.
  • Support Article is short, but of sufficient quality and length. Full referenced. Looks fine to me. --Jayron32 17:27, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) SpaceIL Launches aboard SpaceX Falcon9 Rocket

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WP:SNOW - there is no support for posting at this time. But, when the rocket tries to land in 2.5 months, there may be more support. (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 22:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: SpaceIL (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israel to become fourth country to land a spacecraft on the moon after the launch of SpaceIL aboard a Falcon 9 Rocket (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ SpaceIL, the first commercial rocket, is launched aboard a Falcon 9 towards the moon.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Israel becomes fourth country to launch a rocket to the moon
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/science/spacex-launch-israel.html
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Nominator's comments: This is historic because it's 1) going to the moon, and 2) it's the first non-government rocket going to the moon. I think in a few months hopefully when it lands we can also have a blurb, but just a successful launch is noteworthy enough. I think we can work on the blurb, mentioning Google prize, etc. Sir Joseph (talk) 02:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • In this case the launch already has the Beresheet module in Earth orbit, which is not just a regular payload, it had some people worried it wasn't going to make it. Besides, even if it was just a regular launch, it is newsworthy for the launch itself, it's the first commercial launch to the moon, make it or not, it's one for the books. Again, those saying wait or oppose are missing the point, the launch itself is newsworthy, regardless if it makes it to the moon or not. Sir Joseph (talk) 02:16, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Israel hasn't launched a rocket, they've paid SpaceX to launch their probe which will potentially land on the moon. The Google Prize has ended, so not sure why that would be mentioned. The launch is routine, landing on the moon is when this should be nominated. Stephen 03:06, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Going to the moon is not routine, so that's why it's newsworthy, itself, regardless if it actually makes it to the moon. I mentioned the Google Prize because I think it's an interesting aspect to it that people might find interesting. Sir Joseph (talk) 03:18, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Jussie Smollett

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WP:SNOW. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:13, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Jussie Smollett (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American actor Jussie Smollett is charged with filing a false police report after he said he was assaulted in a hate crime. (Post)
News source(s): [29] [30]
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Nominator's comments: Has been one of the biggest news stories over the past 3 weeks. Reports suggest that this case, one of the most famous racial hoaxes in recent times, could impact how future cases are dealt with. The story has reached a certain threshold in the police investigation and appears to have reached its peak in terms of being in the news, so now is the best time to post. HampsteadLord (talk) 20:35, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Peter Tork

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Stale, unimproved. Stephen 21:57, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Peter Tork (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: A few citation verifications (unrelated to the death) pending — xaosflux Talk 19:30, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, on rereading my comment it came across a bit pessimistic and confrontational, apologies. Best of luck improving the article. One thing I like about the RD process is that it is quite effective at instigating improvements to a wide variety of biography articles. If its ready in time give me a ping and I'll drop by to switch to support - Dumelow (talk) 07:55, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) PewDiePie vs T-Series

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Oh the weather outside is frightful... --Jayron32 18:32, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: PewDiePie vs T-Series (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: This is being seen as a battle between individual creators on the internet and big corporations. This will determine the future of the Internet. Pewd4life (talk) 17:29, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Strongest possible support Highly important event, possibly the most important in the XXI century so far. Openlydialectic (talk) 17:42, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) 2019 Dhaka fire

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Article: 2019 Dhaka fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fast-moving fire killed at least 70 when it swept through a historic district of Bangladesh's capital Dhaka. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A raging fire kills at least 80 as it sweeps through a historic district of Bangladesh's capital, Dhaka.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Just created, so give some time as other editors work on it. Around 70 people have died Sherenk1 (talk) 04:59, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No problem – must admit the journalistic phrase "raging fire" is a cliché, and "fast-moving" would be fine. Note that around 16:30 the AP reduced its "at least" toll to 67. – Sca (talk) 17:27, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's somewhat better, but reactions and "Financial assistance" still make up half the article. Plus, in news terms it's getting stale (like houseguests and fish). Sca (talk) 22:43, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 20

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  • One surviving female specimen of the Fernandina Galápagos tortoise species, which was thought to be extinct for more than 100 years, is found. (USA Today)

(Closed) RD: Francisco Mañosa

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Stale and withdrawn (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 20:16, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Francisco Mañosa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): business mirror, abs-cbn
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(Posted) RD: Vinny Vella

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Article: Vinny Vella (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
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Nominator's comments: Start Class article of an actor with everything sourced. IMHO ready to post. DBigXrayᗙ 06:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Fred Foster

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Stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 20:16, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Fred Foster (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone,The Tennessean
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Nominator's comments: Nashville music legend who helped launch the careers of Dolly Parton, Roy Orbison and founded Monument Records. Country Music Hall of Fame (2016). CoatCheck (talk) 23:39, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Ekkehard Wlaschiha

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Article: Ekkehard Wlaschiha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR
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Nominator's comments: The headline in the (German) obituary translates to "With Alberich to world fame" - live broadcast from the Met, and performance in the reopening of the Semperoper. - I found the article as an undersourced stub, it had been longer but that was copyright violation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Ongoing) Battle of Baghuz Fawqani

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Article: Battle of Baghuz Fawqani (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Syrian Democratic Forces, supported by the U.S., France and the UK, defeat and capture the last territories controlled by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in Syria.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Syrian Democratic Forces defeats the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in the Battle of Baghuz Fawqani
News source(s): Reuters
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Nominator's comments: 'Caliphate' being territorially defeated after 5 years is major news. Adding this post pre-emptively to avoid this being posted late (as was the case for North Macedonia.) When this happens (which it will per official sources, this is not WP:CRYSTALBALL) I suggest posting it as soon as the article is swiftly updated. Nice4What (talk) 18:02, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support This is very significant and the article appears to be in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:06, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, the last news I heard said it's on the verge of defeat. The situation will probably clarify within a day or two. Brandmeistertalk 09:22, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the article on it's own doesn't explain it's significance vs any other battle in the ongoing civil war. I'm concerned about claiming "the defeat of ISIL" because their principal opponent declares it such. ISIL will be taking credit for suicide bombings for the next 20 years. From a quality standpoint, there are some large paragraphs with a single source, and the prose which is there is filled with the usual irrelevant anecdotal commentary like "The civilian truck drivers said 18 foreigners were among the dozens of civilians fleeing with them". We're supposed to be reporting on the "final defeat of ISIL in Syria" but the article is highlighting 18 non-Syrians fleeing? Come on. The problem with WP:RECENTism is that the article gets fluffed up with this sort of reliably sourced but ultimately unverified factoids. When the Syrian civil war ends and either the SDF or Assad surrenders and admits defeat, then that's a post. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:59, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ongoing and promote to blurb if/when the battle concludes. Banedon (talk) 22:04, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ongoing - the battle has not yet ended, but per above, if it concludes with the Islamic State losing the last of its Syrian territory, that's certainly noteworthy enough for a blurb. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 16:51, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reposted and support for Ongoing - BBC reports that civilians have evacuated and remaining militants have surrendered, complete capture is imminent. I certainly recommend posting it to "Ongoing" and later as a blurb once the battle has concluded. (I also tweaked blurb to cover add the UK, which I initially omitted; I've listed the countries in that specific order as it is US and France on the front lines, with air support from the UK. Wouldn't be opposed to replacing them with CJTF-OIR though most countries in the coalition aren't participating in this final battle, so I feel it'd be a little less accurate.) Nice4What (talk) 18:05, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment proposed alt-blurb 2 which doesn't pretend that ISIL will just pack up and go home. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:11, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
They have a home? Sca (talk) 13:36, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How about: an evanescent self-proclaimed theocracy? Sca (talk) 22:07, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment ISIL once commanded vast tracts, and the fact that it no longer does is very significant. But my feeling is that there is a certain whac-a-mole effect in place on the "last hold out." ISIL must have soldiers in other parts of Syria, right? And they could pop-up and take over a town in hours and then (technically) ISIL has territorial control again. Within this context, ISIL has long since lost all it's territory. ghost 13:17, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is whacamole made from avocados? – Sca (talk) 17:50, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 19

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  • The opening round of the Aeroflot Open, an international open chess tournament, is postponed a day after 45 minutes of play as a bomb threat locks down the Moscow hotel hosting the event. Similar threats also shut down cinemas, shopping centres, and theatres; thousands are evacuated. (Chess.com) (Chessbase)

(Closed) Bramble Cay melomys

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No consensus to post. Stephen 21:54, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Bramble Cay melomys (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Australian government declares the Bramble Cay melomys extinct. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The IUCN declares the Bramble Cay melomys extinct.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The IUCN declares the Bramble Cay melomys extinct, the first recorded mammalian extinction due to anthropogenic climate change.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Australian government declares the Bramble Cay melomys extinct, the first recorded mammalian extinction due to anthropogenic climate change.
News source(s): National Geographic, Washington Post, BBC, New York Times, The Guardian.
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article is well-sourced but a bit short. Described in the news as the first mammalian extinction directly attributable to climate change. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:48, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Namvar Singh

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Article: Namvar Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Start Class article with everything sourced. A notable and awarded Hindi author DBigXrayᗙ 08:40, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LaserLegs, I was able to find RS mentioning these 3 books as his popular works. If me or someone else finds more referenced books, we can certainly add along with the refs. Regrading his communist activities, the reliable sources I found thus far, only mention it as such, hence it is mentioned as was sourced. ITN RDs need strict BLP compliance before being promoted to the Main page.--DBigXrayᗙ 12:46, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Vanamonde, can someone give the credits? Regards. --DBigXrayᗙ 04:47, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Done, FTR. Vanamonde (Talk) 06:16, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Don Newcombe

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Article: Don Newcombe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article needs some work, but doesn't appear to be terrible otherwise (not overly long and nothing that would be too hard to source - will work on). Nohomersryan (talk) 19:37, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Blurb posted) RD: Karl Lagerfeld

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We also have rules which enable us to post blurbs for clearly transformative figures, and it was adequately demonstrated that this was the case here. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:57, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Closing a second time. There was a clear clamoring for a blurb, with a solid consensus that the original discussion was closed too soon. The additional comments clearly shifted the consensus in favor of the blurb. As an aside, the feed was getting stale (it had been 5 days since the last blurb posting), and there's little harm in posting this as a blurb. Let's all really let this one drop now. --Jayron32 15:24, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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When the length of the discussion exceeds the length of the prose in the article, it is a good time to close. RD is fine, no consensus for a blurb. --Tone 08:06, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Karl Lagerfeld (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  German fashion designer Karl Lagerfeld, best known for his creative work at Chanel, dies at age 85. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ German fashion designer Karl Lagerfeld dies at the age of 85.
News source(s): [32]
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Nominator's comments: Iconic fashion designer. BabbaQ (talk) 11:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd proposed something of the lines "German fashion designer Karl Lagerfeld, best known for his creative work at Chanel, passes away at age 85." Nice4What (talk) 13:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Use dies not passes away - see MOS:EUP. O Still Small Voice of Clam 15:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I'll change the blurb. Nice4What (talk) 15:36, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"O Freunde, nicht diese Töne! Sondern lasst uns angenehmere anstimmen und freudenvollere!" – Sca (talk) 01:20, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Post-closure comment, it's a shame that a majority was reached to post it as a blurb (from what I counted) with many of the votes for "Oppose" being based on the article's original quality, which was then updated/fixed. I truly believe that the blurb should've been posted rather than a closed discussion. Nice4What (talk) 12:28, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    (Post-closure) On Wikipedia you just have to learn that if the field is not white male high culture (painting/cricket/composing or similar) or white male geek culture (video games/comics or similar) it just doesn't have a decent chance. [39] articles purely dedicated to his influence are still being posted, but barely anyone on Wikipedia is into fashion and that's all that matters. Someone like Alan Moore or Neil Gaiman will almost certainly pass. Anna Wintour will be denied too, it's a bad reflection on us. GuzzyG (talk) 13:46, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Just to get the numbers right, prior to the close, there were (at my count) 10 people with clear supports for a blurb, 9 people who supported RD only/Oppose Blurb, and 3-4 others who either didn't care, opposed any posting, or whose preference was unclear. It was a bare majority that supported the blurb, and such close margins are within the admin discretion, based on their reading of the rationales supporting either side. This could have gone either way; it is hardly a clear consensus regardless. --Jayron32 15:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • After further reflection, if the nom were re-opened, I would probably support a blurb after all per TRM. (WaltCip, logged out)--128.227.165.102 (talk) 13:57, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Am even more surprised that this was closed because of the large amount of discussion. Seems somehow counter-intuitive. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Tone: Could the closure can be reverted and to allow the blurb be posted? I would look past the clutter made by the same users refuting the death's significance. This man was an icon and was the leading figure of the industry. This is not just a "somebody" who passed away, this is a transformative figure who continued to work and influence others until age 85. The article was in terrible shape and as stated, greatly improved in quality. Nice4What (talk) 14:02, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not that it matters but i would also switch to supporting a blurb. I know nothing of fashion and care even less about it but, per TRM, if reliable sources make him out to be this huge figure in his field, then that is good enough for me to support a blurb. 91.97.252.62 (talk) 14:32, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed. I had no dog in the fight, and RS consistently referred to him as a fashion "icon" or a fashion "legend". This, certainly where I'm from, equates to "transformative" in the field of fashion, precisely what would deserve a blurb. Still, Carrie Fisher eh? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:42, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Not too familiar with this field, but I would have leaned support for a blurb. The spike in views that the page is getting now suggests to me that he must have been pretty transformative. Besides, the blurbs haven't changed at all over the past several days... Ahiijny (talk) 14:59, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I did not Support before this nomination was closed (after 20 hours, 26 minutes). Having considered the arguments on both sides, I too would have supported a blurb, even without use of "the i word". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:07, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on the recent shifts in consensus, I am posting this as a blurb. I know I participated in the discussion, but as my preference was to go the other way on this one, this should avoid any problems with involvement. My preference is clear, but I can also see where consensus is not with me on this. --Jayron32 15:24, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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February 18

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(Closed) RD: Wallace Smith Broecker

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Stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 22:31, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Wallace Smith Broecker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC
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Nominator's comments: Scientist that coined the phrase "Global warming". Article is not fully soruced. Masem (t) 00:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: George Cawkwell

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Article: George Cawkwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [40]
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"George Cawkwell Christ church" and "George Cawkwell Auckland" fared well for me. Dat GuyTalkContribs 21:04, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The ref is fine.--SirEdimon (talk) 21:33, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@SirEdimon: I disagree. The source in the nomination, despite leaning a bit primary, can at least be believed since it is from Cawkwell's university-college. A search of `"tickleme.info" -site:tickleme.info` doesn't lead me to anywhere mentioning it, and especially considering the .info TLD which I rarely tend to trust I very much doubt it's reliability. I've replaced the reference. Dat GuyTalkContribs 21:46, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
DatGuy You maybe right, but I think, taking out this specific ref will not damage the article. It can be replaced by a more reliable source.--SirEdimon (talk) 21:58, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter Wells (director)

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Article: Peter Wells (director) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [42]
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(Closed) The Independent Group

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Article: The Independent Group (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United Kingdom, seven Labour MPs leave the party to form The Independent Group. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the United Kingdom, seven Labour MPs leave the party to form The Independent Group in protest against Jeremy Corbyn's leadership and failure to deal with antisemetism.
News source(s): (BBC)
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Nominator's comments: Major split in Labour party. Accept that my alt blurb may be seen as non-neutral by some, so please state which blurb you prefer. Mjroots (talk) 12:56, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose internal politics. If it impacted Brexit then I’d reconsider otherwise it’s just a thing that affects a handful of people who didn’t see this coming. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:11, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as a parochial political in-fighting. A split in a party in the minority is unlikely to result in any substantive shift in government. Good faith nomination but a consesus to post is unlikely to form.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:14, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait. This isn't really that significant yet, but it might become so if it attracts a significant number of MPs from across the house - expecially if it does so in a way that impacts Brexit - or it could fizzle out. If it is posted, the blurb should probably include "United Kingdom" in there somewhere. Thryduulf (talk) 13:18, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment th BBC report I read says they are describing themselves as not a party, are all those categories therefore incorrect? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:35, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Issues with the article should be directed to the article's talk page. The above does not impact on the nomination, which does not claim that they are a political party, but merely names the new group. Mjroots (talk) 13:39, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • Um, see below! If people are mistakenly thinking something because the article is erroneous, and voting accordingly, it needs to be mentioned. It wouldn’t be right if people read the article and suddenly believed we have a new party in the UK when they themselves are saying we don’t, wouldn’t you agree? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:43, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is the first time a new party with multiple MPs has been formed since the 1980s and the reasons surrounding its formation are also noteworthy. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 13:36, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. If this proves significant in any fundamental way, then sure. But for now it's just a side show to the ongoing Brexit shenanigans.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:48, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per TRM, Coffeecrumbs. Parochial political spat. Sca (talk) 14:14, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is quite domestic politics. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:13, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Most arguements above in agreement, but would also add that seven out of 248 (I believe) Labour MPs is a drop in the bucket. In contrast, as a hypothetical example, if 100 or more of those all dropped into a brand new party, that might be more significant. --Masem (t) 16:34, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is something which has been spoken about for months and has finally occured - agree that seven isn't a very significant number but is nonetheless a major story in UK politics. Successfulwd (talk) 17:31, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose At the moment, this split is insignificant. There is no evidence thus far that they intend to form a new party or even run in the next election, and seven party members is not sufficient to reach the level of significance. If further developments arise, such as more members joining them, and this group organizing to contest new elections, then perhaps significance may be reached at that time. But as of now, significance has not yet been reached. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:42, 18 February 2019 (UTC))[reply]
  • Wait. Let's give this a bit more time. I suppose this could make some outsized waves, but we would have to see. Article seems pretty good though. ―Matthew J. Long -Talk-☖ 17:44, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Minor spat affecting a tiny minority within a minority party. British MPs resign the party whip or are suspended all the time (prior to today, there were already 5 independent former-Labour MPs who've resigned from the party plus one who's been expelled); all that's mildly unusual here is that seven of them have done so on the same day. ‑ Iridescent 17:47, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Iridescent and the fact that Labour is not in a coalition or confidence and supply means this splinter will not affect the balance of power in this Parliament. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 18:42, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Paul Flynn (politician)

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Article: Paul Flynn (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: UK MP for 31 years. Start class article with decent sourcing. DBigXrayᗙ 10:32, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 17

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(Posted) RD: Ethel Ennis

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Article: Ethel Ennis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): Baltimore Sun
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Nominator's comments: Please, let us try as much as possible to feature women and people of color. This article needs work. Nominating now to solicit team work. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 17:55, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 16

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(Posted) RD: Patrick Caddell

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Article: Patrick Caddell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, AP
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Nominator's comments: American political operative, best known for his work on Jimmy Carter's 1976 campaign, dies at 68. Davey2116 (talk) 03:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sam Bass (artist)

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Article: Sam Bass (artist) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): [43]
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(Posted) RD: Ken Nordine

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Article: Ken Nordine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WBEZ.org
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Nominator's comments: Noted voice over artist. Article appears to be in good shape with no contentious issues. yorkshiresky (talk) 16:38, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bruno Ganz

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Article: Bruno Ganz (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Swiss actor. As usual, refs issue. Sherenk1 (talk) 12:16, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Will work on it, but too nice weather to do it now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I added refs, and commented out awards without one. Please look again. Obituaries in major English papers. We'd look silly not to mention him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:38, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sca, nobody here is interested in that. Only if it and everything else has a reference. Please add some, if you can, to the awards commented out, and to role descriptions added late. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Li Rui

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Article: Li Rui (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: I think Li died on February 16. The bot failed to archive and create new date section at midnight. The article is referenced and ready to post IMO. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 06:23, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 15

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(Posted) RD: Dave Smith (archivist)

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Article: Dave Smith (archivist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Well sourced, start class article. DBigXrayᗙ 04:00, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Posted --Tone 10:35, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Lee Radziwill

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Stale. Stephen 01:30, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Lee Radziwill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [44][45][46][47]
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Nominator's comments: American socialite, sister of Jackie Kennedy Onassis. Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 14:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2019 American State of Emergency

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Good faith nomination, but as with most Trump themed nominations, this was Dead on Arrival. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:45, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019 American Declaration of a State of Emergency (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ U.S. President Donald Trump declares a national emergency in the United States over the issue of the U.S.–Mexico border. (Post)
News source(s): [48]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Notable event that according to the New York Times will set a massive precedent on executive power, it has received widespread attention in popular culture and the press, and it will be notable in the long-run. It also fulfills Trump's signature campaign promise. ExclusiveWillows (talk) 20:52, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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February 14

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(Posted) RD: Andrea Levy

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Article: Andrea Levy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Nominator's comments: One for Black History Month, please Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:20, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support looks just about good enough. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:25, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support; "weak" because born in London to Jamaican parents who sailed to England on the Empire Windrush in 1948 sounds dubious (I can't find any source that her mother sailed on the Windrush in 1948, and it's certainly not cited), and if even the first sentence contains an error it throws the accuracy of the rest of the article into question. ‑ Iridescent 12:30, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
From The Guardian obituary - "Levy was born in London in 1956 to parents who were part of the boom in immigration that shaped postwar Britain, her father arriving in the UK on the Empire Windrush in 1948 and her mother following shortly afterwards." I've removed the date, if somebody insists on a time period, "post-war" could be used. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So that's a source for her father; where's any indication that her mother sailed on the Windrush? It's not as if there was only one passenger ship sailing the transatlantic route in the 1940s. ‑ Iridescent 12:50, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The article doesn't say that (at least in the current version). I note an IP tried to fix this but was reverted. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:56, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Ritchie333: she came on a banana boat. I've added the source. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 03:04, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Too many quotes. What we have here is not a biography which is what is supposed to be. It is simply a collection of quotes from reviews. The article is unsatisfactory in general.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 12:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not in a position to improve the article much until this evening, though I will say it is in much better shape than many RD nominations I have seen, which require extensive work before they're ready. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:46, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@SusunW:, @Megalibrarygirl:, @Rosiestep: - can you help with this? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:49, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Great work. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:35, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your help too. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:50, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I do not know if I can support as a contributor to improving the citations and text, but I believe we have now addressed the concerns previously expressed and think that it should move forward. SusunW (talk) 16:54, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've given the three of us who have worked on the article to address the above issues credit. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:57, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 Pulwama attack

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Article: 2019 Pulwama attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 38 security personnel were killed in an attack near Pulwama, Kashmir. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 38 security personnel were killed in a suicide bombing attack near Pulwama in Kashmir.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Two separate bombings in Khash, Zahedan and Pulwama, Kashmir left 27 Revolutionary Guards and 38 security personnel killed, respectively.
News source(s): The Times of India, AP, BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: One of the deadliest terror attack in India in last few years. Better blurb is welcome. Nizil (talk) 06:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Suggest changing the blurb to:
Around 40 security personnel were killed in a suicide bombing attack near Pulwama in Kashmir.
-- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:51, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Kautilya3:, Death toll varies from 36 to 44 in different sources so I had written the lowest. The numbers can be updated as exact numbers are known. I think the article should be linked differently in your blurb. I have posted altblurb. -Nizil (talk) 10:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is why it is better to use a round number. I can live with linking the article to the "suicide bombing attack" key phrase. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:57, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Updated number to 38 as per list released.-Nizil (talk) 11:18, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, not a good idea. I do not see a clear connection between the perpertrators. These should be separate line items as they occurred in two separate non-bordering nations. It appears to be mere coincidense that the two events are similar and occurred within days of each other. They are both ITN-worthy events in their own right.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 09:20, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Jammu & Kashmir is not Indian-administered". Jammu and Kashmir is the state of India. Kindly check the sources. Unless and until, it's not verified or disputable or debatable, it's not proper on Wikipedia. It doesn't have verified the source.

Here it is Hindustan Times-Pressure mounts on UK to retract ‘India-administered Kashmir’ remark Times of India - Indians protest British foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt's "India-Administered Kashmir" phraseShwetamits (talk) 10:26, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Airbus A380 cancellation

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Article: Airbus A380 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Airbus announces the cancellation of production of the Airbus A380 airliner starting from 2021. (Post)
News source(s): Airbus, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: While seemingly a marketing decision, this marks an era in the aviation history. Article updated. Brandmeistertalk 09:29, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Exploration of Mars
    • The mission of NASA's Opportunity rover on Mars comes to an end. The rover stopped communicating in June 2018 after a Martian dust storm, and attempts to reestablish communications have not been successful. (NASA)

(Closed) 2019 Khash-Zahedan suicide bombing

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Despite probably being posted if the quality would've been at this point when it was nominated, the story has become stale and a bit overshadowed by the posted Pulwama attack. Dat GuyTalkContribs 17:23, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019 Khash–Zahedan suicide bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 27 Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps were killed in a suicide bombing on the Khash–Zahedan road in Sistan and Baluchestan Province (Post)
News source(s): NYT, BBC
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Nominator's comments: I am going to improve and edit the article Saff V. (talk) 07:40, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This article may have POV and neutrality issues. Maybe all it needs is a copy edit. It reads as confusing and garbled to me. However, it does appear to have good sourcing.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article has improved since I reviewed it a few days ago. The news is significant. Iran has largely remained unscathed while it's proxy states have suffered major losses. An attack on Iranian soil leading to the deaths of so many Revolutionary Guards is significant news. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:25, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Hans Stadlmair

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Article: Hans Stadlmair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR
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Nominator's comments: conductor and composer, MKO for almost four decades, 6000 concerts --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:00, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The award is referenced now, and I'll look for more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eric Harrison (footballer)

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Article: Eric Harrison (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: Footballer and coach responsible for Fergie's Fledglings. I have expanded and formatted the article - Dumelow (talk) 08:56, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bibi Ferreira

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Article: Bibi Ferreira (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Globo
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Nominator's comments: Working. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:17, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I expanded the lead slightly to give the scope of her career. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:52, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) End of NASA Opportunity rover mission

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Article: Opportunity (rover) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ NASA concludes the fourteen-year Opportunity Mars rover mission after being unable to wake the rover from hibernation initiated by a June 2018 duststorm. (Post)
News source(s): The Verge, NYTimes
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: NASA is set to give a press conference in about 3hr here to formally state they ended the progrm, but NASA is no longer actively seeking to wake the rover. I note that this is NOT an ITNR, but the lifetime of the rover is a significant human achievement. (If we are worried about a blurb, this may be a rare case of calling it an RD, but I don't think that would be easy to persaude). Unfortunately, due to how we have a summary-style approach to the Opportunity article with several sub-articles, there's some sourcing problems on the main article. Masem (t) 16:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Off-topic --LaserLegs (talk) 22:31, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Oppose -- for giving undue weight to bad news on the Main Page. This department should report more good news, for a fair representation of what is going on in the world. The news on WP's Main Page is heavily skewed towards certain subjects, especially reports of disasters and other bad news.    — The Transhumanist   00:15, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I refer you to the words of Maggie Smith:

...The world is at least
fifty percent terrible, and that’s a conservative
estimate, though I keep this from my children.
For every bird there is a stone thrown at a bird.
For every loved child, a child broken, bagged,
sunk in a lake. Life is short and the world
is at least half terrible, and for every kind
stranger, there is one who would break you...

Two of the four items on ITN now are good news. I would even argue this is positive news; the conclusion of a highly-successful mission.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:28, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This. I consider that while its a shame we could get another 14 yrs out of it, we did get 50 times more out of what was planned due to some human ingenuity. --Masem (t) 03:20, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The Transhumanist We can only consider what is nominated, and we have no control over the goings on in the world. If you would like to see more 'good' stories, I invite you to nominate them. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think that Transhumanist comment was meant for the Haiti story. There is a duplicate comment there from an IP minutes earlier. ghost 13:15, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I will note that, regardless of which story Transhumanist was talking about, I have seen zero articles he improved and nominated in the past 2-3 days to fix the perceived problem he has. It's one thing to note the existence of a problem. It's quite another to note the existence of a problem, and then demand that other people, who have no more authority than you do, fix that problem. If Transhumanist had really wanted the problem fixed, he would have actually fixed it. --Jayron32 13:27, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to ongoing) Haitian protests

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Article: 2019 Haitian protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, BBC, Deutsche Welle, The Miami Herald
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Nominator's comments: Seven consecutive days of ongoing protests occurring in Haiti with thousands of demonstrators and calls for a transitional government. At least four dead and dozens injured. --ZiaLater (talk) 16:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) North Macedonia

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Article: North Macedonia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Prespa Agreement comes into force, ending a 27-year naming dispute with the Republic of Macedonia renaming itself the Republic of North Macedonia (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Republic of Macedonia changes its name to North Macedonia, ending a 27-year naming dispute after the Prespa Agreement comes into effect as Macedonia begins the process for its accession into NATO.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Republic of Macedonia changes its name to the Republic of North Macedonia as the Prespa Agreement comes into effect ending a 27-year naming dispute.
News source(s): RadioFreeEurope, Washington Post, The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: This has been nominated many times before and delayed, but Greece has finally ratified the NATO accession protocol. The agreement is therefore in effect, with a deadline of 15 February for all name changes to be implemented. The only other delay I can see will be waiting for North Macedonia to notify the United Nations of the official name change, but that will be in the coming days.
UPDATE: Country is officially renamed North Macedonia as of 12 February (see new sources added). Nice4What (talk) 04:10, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Time to post.BabbaQ (talk) 12:39, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see the necessary updates yet. --Tone 14:32, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not trying to stall this clearly-going-to-be-ITN story, but from the above article "With Greece's ratification of the NATO accord, the former Yugoslav republic will now write to the United Nations, its member states, and international organizations, formally announcing the name change. A government spokesman told the AP this would happen "in coming days."" It sounds like that letter will be the point of official change? I don't know, the situation seems to change a new bit of this story comes up. --Masem (t) 18:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Macedonia's accession into NATO, which per sources was the final obstacle preventing the Republic from using the name, was a success. If I'm not mistaken we posted Montenegro's accession into NATO as a standalone story, but I'd recommend an altblurb that adds Macedonia's accession as a footnote. It's not easy to make it succinct, but it is noteworthy enough to put it somewhere in the blurb. I do agree with Masem that we should probably watch for developments over the next few days, but that shouldn't be an issue large enough for the nomination to go stale. If the UN adoption of the name is the real point of official change, we can modify the blurbs to mention that if necessary. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 23:03, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit confused as to the whole mess. I'm reading this BBC article (from last week) [49] that says that NATO accession is not yet there (but virtually guaranteed), but Greece being the first to ratify it validates the naming of North Macedonia? It's also odd that no big sources are covering this above event; they've got coverage from last week. You would think this is 100% the type of story BBC and NYtimes would be covering today if today was the milestone we've been waiting on. Also wholly separate but to help guide, there's an RFC [50] and a move request [51] related to the naming. Going by the move request, it sounds like the official date the name change takes effect is Feb 15 (this Friday), but I can't easily find a place to confirm that. AGain, this entire situation is clearly ITN, and I have little doubt anything will change the trajectory of this. But that said, given that we appear to be waiting on the name change (potentially), our ITN should align with that. --Masem (t) 00:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm honestly about as confused as you are, but to the best of my knowledge, the guarantee of their accession into NATO was what they were waiting for before adopting the name change. I will clarify that my support !vote does not mean that I think we need to post it now, but I didn't vote !wait because I don't expect the nomination to go stale before we post it. I'm going off of the previous ITN nomination which I voted !wait on as it cited a BBC article which, if I'm not mistaken, said that Macedonia won't start using the name North Macedonia until their accession into NATO. Now that there's no obstacles to their accession, what I've read up to this point leads me to believe there's also no obstacles to their name change. That being said, I'm more than happy to wait a few days for further clarification. I don't expect that we post this today, tomorrow, or the day after that, but I do think that - unlike all the prior attempts at posting this - we won't need to close the nomination. If it is confirmed on February 15th, we can post it then. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 00:37, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • COMMENT I don't know who added the alt blurb, but North Macedonia didn't enter NATO, Greece has just signed the NATO accession protocol. The other 28 member states have to do the same. Nice4What (talk) 00:42, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are correct; for all intents and purposes, the blurb is to be regarded as being in the future (for now). Both the part where Macedonia changes their name to North Macedonia & the part where Macedonia joins NATO are technically still (near) future events. The latter paved the way for the former, which should be happening in less than a week. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 06:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until Friday. Both the name change and ascension to NATO are significant, but given timing and confluence, we should just post together. ghost 13:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Meh. Sca (talk) 13:40, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Man, people are just itchy to get this posted; so far every nomination has been an incremental step along the way towards the name change. If anything, these repeated nominations are just going to annoy people into voting against it when the time does come. Our current article even says "it is scheduled to be renamed to North Macedonia." Let's wait until the new letterhead is printed up and it's all done before we post this? --Jayron32 14:42, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • COMMENTS - North Macedonia did not enter NATO, the process has not even began yet. Also, Should this wait until the page has been moved to North Macedonia and all relevant changes done? --Michail (blah) 00:31, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Pedro Morales

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Stale. Stephen 01:48, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Pedro Morales (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, CBS Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 LM2000 (talk) 02:03, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose– I generally trust the sections cited to an offline source as generously contributed by an IP in 2012 (diff). Those sections have remained largely untouched. However, since then 3 additionals sections have been added: Early life, Legacy and Personal life. These new sections are generally constructive and sourced to online sources. However, a spot check of several of these sections reveals that our article drifts away from what the sources say. For example, in the Early life section, a sentence reads: "In New York he also became a professional wrestling fan, witnessing Miguel Pérez, Sr.'s run as one half of the only undefeated NWA Capitol (WWWF's predecessor) World Tag Team Champions along Antonino Rocca." However, the source only says "he became a wrestling fan following the tag team of Antonino Rocca & Miguel Perez." I will change my !vote to support once we go over these three sections for verification and cite any other stray uncited claims. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The results of his matches in the article, which are what is being sourced with the offline reference, are congruent with our online sources as far as I can tell. Being a wrestler from the pre-internet era, that is as good as we can get since WWE only lists a select few. And, in any case, what makes him notable is easily sourced. Old School WWC Fan (talk) 07:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also, in regards to Rocca/Pérez, that bit of trivia is not false. Their titles were replaced and they did not lose them. It's superfluous to Morales, but not something that would make the content unreliable. Old School WWC Fan (talk) 07:23, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have finished verifying the Early life section. But there are more issues possibly in the Legacy section and definitely in the Personal life section. It says "Morales married his wife Karen in 1966." The source gives no date. Our articles says his son was born in 1974. But we can not be sure from the same source whether he was born in 1973 or 74. These are uncited claims and original synthesis not contained in the sources. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:46, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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February 12

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(Closed) RD: Lyndon LaRouche

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Article: Lyndon LaRouche (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Subject was a famous fringe political personality and perennial American (Democrat) presidential candidate. Article needs a short section on his personal life and death but is otherwise both lengthy and decently referenced. Ad Orientem (talk) 21:31, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) El Chapo

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Articles: United States of America v. Joaquín Guzmán Loera (talk · history · tag) and Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mexican drug lord Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán is found guilty of all criminal counts and scheduled for life imprisonment. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mexican drug lord Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán is found guilty of all ten criminal counts, including one mandating life imprisonment.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former Sinaloa Cartel leader Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán is found guilty of all criminal counts in the United States, including running a Continuing Criminal Enterprise, which carries a mandatory life sentence.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Mexican drug lord Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán is found guilty of 10 criminal charges, one mandating life imprisonment.
News source(s): CNN, BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Biggest drug lord ever convicted. Found guilty today of all counts and is scheduled for life imprisonment. Article is updated with what we have so far in the news. MX (✉ • ✎) 17:46, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MX, what do you mean "scheduled" for life imprisonment? Is there any other potential sentencing outcome? Don't we usually post sentencing rather than convictions? The article's lead is insufficient in describing the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:57, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
His first count, Continuing Criminal Enterprise, already holds a mandatory life imprisonment without parole. He was found guilty of all charges. Sentence is scheduled for June but IMO this is more newsworthy since we already know how June will play out. MX (✉ • ✎) 17:58, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough on that point. Added an altblurb so we know that minimum he will get is life (barring a plea bargain) --Masem (t) 18:05, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gordon Banks

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Article: Gordon Banks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: England's 1966 world cup goal keeper. This is a good article, update needed - Dumelow (talk) 09:56, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think this was ready, I see five “citation needed” tags. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:39, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Very surprised those "slipped through the net", as it were. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:46, 12 February 2019 (UTC) [reply]
@Martinevans123: Can't be Pele's edits then huh  :) ——SerialNumber54129 19:29, 12 February 2019 (UTC) [reply]
But great to see Bruce Rambolaar, diving across to the article's far post there, to save the day. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:53, 12 February 2019 (UTC) [reply]

February 11

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  • Mars One, a private Dutch organization that had claimed it would send humans on a one-way trip to Mars starting in 2024, releases a statement saying it has been declared bankrupt. (CBC)

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(Posted) RD: Ricardo Boechat

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Article: Ricardo Boechat (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the most important Brazilian journalists. Article is short, but well referenced. He died on monday, but just now I had the chance to nominate it. --SirEdimon (talk) 18:32, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Allan Wild

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Article: Allan Wild (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: New Zealand architect and academic. Article is short but looks OK - Dumelow (talk) 13:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Joe Schlesinger

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Stale and withdrawn (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 22:40, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Joe Schlesinger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/schlesinger-obit-cbc-new-1.5014534
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 DannyS712 (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Sibghatullah Mojaddedi

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Article: Sibghatullah Mojaddedi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is updated and well-sourced. EternalNomad (talk) 22:30, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

He died on the 9th and news came out on the 9th. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:07, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So you'll be updating the article then? Stephen 23:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I completely read this wrong. The page diddoes not contain a proper update at all. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:37, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 21 Savage

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Article: 21 Savage (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 21 Savage is facing deportation for being in the United States illegally and being a United Kingdom national. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: This has been going on for the past week or so but is still ongoing with frequent updates. Ed. Jishnu (t)Ed. Jishnu (talk) 19:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Masem Did you link the wrong article? The comment doesn't really fit. Dat GuyTalkContribs 19:11, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
On second glance, this seems to be a copypasted nomination. Apologies for the mention. Dat GuyTalkContribs 19:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, @Ed. Jishnu: there is a nomination here for the 61st Grammys. Is that what you meant? Dat GuyTalkContribs 19:14, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@DatGuy: No, I meant 21 Savage's deportation. I was just using Masem's post for a template on how to make a nomination for the news, sorry.Ed. Jishnu (talk) 19:18, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There should be two expandable boxes on the header of the edit page of *this* page for the basic template format. TRying to copy and paste existing ones can get into problems. --Masem (t) 19:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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February 10

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(Posted) RD: Maximilian Reinelt

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Article: Maximilian Reinelt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Welt, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Short article, but covers all the information online about him Joseph2302 (talk) 18:43, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 61st Grammys

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Article: 61st Annual Grammy Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the Grammys, Childish Gambino's "This Is America" wins Record and Song of the Year, while Kacey Musgraves' Golden Hour wins Album of the Year. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Article is not ready, needs more details on the award/nomination selection process and the ceremony, it is not ready to go. (However, past years we have had a failure of a proper update, not necessarily expecting one here) We normally only do Record and Album of the year, but with This Is America winning both Record and Song, might as well include both Masem (t) 05:30, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Walter B. Jones Jr.

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Article: Walter B. Jones Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sitting US congressman dies in office. Article is in decent shape. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 72nd British Academy Film Awards

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Article: 72nd British Academy Film Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 72nd British Academy Film Awards, Roma wins four awards, including Best Film. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Roma wins four awards, including Best Film, at the 72nd British Academy Film Awards.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At the 72nd British Academy Film Awards, Roma wins Best Film and 3 other awards, and The Favourite wins 7 awards.
News source(s): The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 JuneGloom07 Talk 21:33, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose All the tables lack references. We need some more prose in the "Winners and nominees" section to summarize some major points contained in the tables like the very fact pointed out in the blurb. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:00, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
To add to the above, there should be some details about the ceremony, even if the BAFTA lack the glitz and glam of the Oscars. --Masem (t) 00:11, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Added altblurb2 mentioning The Favourite 's 7 awards (only Roma 's Best Film award is ITNR, but mentioning the 7 awards gives a more accurate summary of what happened). Tlhslobus (talk) 05:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment re italics: In blurb and altblurbs movie names Roma and The Favourite should be in italics (per MOS), but for some reason the non-italic fields appear in italics and vice versa in the blurbs (but not once the blurb gets posted). I've 'fixed' this for the movie names in altblurb2 (which I created) so ironically they currently appear in non-italics (but I've left the blurb and altblurb1 'unfixed' just in case it's somehow deemed inappropriate for me to add such a strange 'fix' to somebody else's blurb/altblurb). Tlhslobus (talk) 05:26, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Blurbs are displayed in italics, so titles that then further italicized "flip" back to normal. This is fine, as admins posting these blurbs will copy the wikicode from the blurb to use. So you shouldn't actually try to fix this, it is just a net result of the nom template. --Masem (t) 05:44, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 9

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(Closed) RD: Huang Erh-hsuan

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Article: Huang Erh-hsuan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [52]
Credits:

Article updated
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(Closed) RD: Mick Kennedy

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Article: Mick Kennedy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [53]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
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(Posted) RD: Katharina Lindner

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Article: Katharina Lindner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): [54]
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 DannyS712 (talk) 22:47, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, tag! Sorry, can you take a second look. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Ron W. Miller

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Article: Ron W. Miller (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [55]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
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(Closed) RD: Patricia Nell Warren

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Article: Patricia Nell Warren (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [56]
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Tomi Ungerer

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Article: Tomi Ungerer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: iconic illustrator, for children and adults - there could be much more, including a load of awards - see de - but better short than ignore. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Fernando Clavijo

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Article: Fernando Clavijo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USSF, MLS
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: FIFA World Cup veteran. Part of the squad who represented US at home at the 1994 World Cup. Member of the National Soccer Hall of Fame . Former coach and technical director. The article has ref issues and I intend to fix it as soon as I have some time. --SirEdimon (talk) 21:52, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Cadet (rapper)

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Article: Cadet (rapper) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Stub, needs expansion and tidying up. (Post-nom note: has been expanded, and referenced, quite impressive actually). The Rambling Man (talk) 16:32, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed both of these; I do happen to have expertise on where Betley is; I don't have expertise to check the remainder. In case it is unclear to the posting admin, I object to posting until someone with that expertise checks it thoroughly. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:47, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think anyone doubted you knew where Betley is, never up for debate. But what a curious position, you object wholesale until an "expert" checks it? How many other RDs have you made such a request? Is that now a thing, to request "expertise" to check the bio of a dead rapper? A Nobel laureate? A ex-professional footballer? Either the sources are RS and verify the content, or they're not or they don't. It doesn't need "expertise" to check this, anyone can do it. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:56, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are still three YouTube videos which are regarded as WP:PRIMARY, although the one of "Behind Barz" as a source for his faith being Islam could be removed as there are two others. I'm not sure why the other two can't be used as evidence of the song's existence, but I'm unable to find any alternative sources yet for the "2.8 million views" and "2.1 million views" respectively. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. We have made significant progress enough to post. The remaining are acceptable uses of primary sources. I change my !vote to Support --- Coffeeandcrumbs 11:49, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So, in the absence of any fresh objections, I've changed this to "Attention needed". The YouTube view counts could be commented out if they are seen as a real problem. Personally I don't see the issue. No-one ever verifies these figures, but they seem notable. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:16, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) RD: Walter Munk

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Article: Walter Munk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [57]
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(Posted) RD: Albert Finney

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Article: Albert Finney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Needs plenty of work The Rambling Man (talk) 14:18, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2019 Nelson fires

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Article: 2019 Nelson fires (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Over 3000 residents of Wakefield, New Zealand, were evacuated as wildfires spread across the Nelson area. (Post)
News source(s): NZ Herald
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(Posted) 2010–2017 Toronto serial homicides

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Article: 2010–2017 Toronto serial homicides (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Bruce McArthur is sentenced for eight murders, making him the deadliest known serial killer in Toronto and the oldest known sexually motivated serial killer. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Bruce McArthur is sentenced for eight murders in Toronto, making him the oldest known sexually motivated serial killer.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Bruce McArthur is sentenced for eight murders, making him the deadliest known serial killer in Toronto.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Bruce McArthur pleads guilty for eight serial killings in Toronto and is sentenced to life in prison.
News source(s): Deadliest in Toronto: Gillies, Rob (1 February 2018). "Suspected Serial Killer and Mall Santa Looked 'So Normal and Business-Like,' Clients Say". Time Magazine. Associated Press. Archived from the original on 2018-02-04. Retrieved 2 February 2018., oldest Canadian serial killer & oldest sexually motivated serial killer: Kennedy, Brendan (29 January 2019). "McArthur is the oldest confirmed serial killer in Canadian history. His age may have helped him hide 'in plain sight'". The Toronto Star. Toronto: Toronto Star Newspapers Limited. Retrieved 6 February 2019., sentenced Feb 8, 2019: "Serial killer Bruce McArthur will have a chance of parole in 25 years, when he's 91, judge rules". CBC News. Toronto: Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. 8 February 2019. Retrieved 8 February 2019.
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Nominator's comments: Sentenced today (Feb 8), substantial updates since guilty plea Jan 29. Easily 50+ news items on subject in that period, including international coverage (CNN, BBC, Washington Post) Open to ALTs. Reidgreg (talk) 17:25, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear... this needs to be pulled. There is nothing even remotely close to a community consensus to post this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:08, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The conviction was nominated before, but judged too early as it wasn't the sentencing. The previous nom deemed this otherwise ITN-appropriate. --Masem (t) 23:16, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So this blurb was approved in another discussion somewhere in the past? This all sounds highly irregular. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:22, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just for clarification, I am neutral on the merits of this nomination. Over the last couple of years ITN seems to have been moving away from what I will call Murder & Mayhem crime stories. On the other hand Canada is not exactly known for this sort of thing. My objection is purely procedural. On which note, I am also not implying any deliberate impropriety. I haven't seen MSGJ around ITN much and they may not be aware that we have a somewhat higher bar for posting blurbs, as opposed to RD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I did not see that, but it also looks to have been posted rather too quickly given only two supports. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:05, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That looks more like 35 hours to me. But then maths was never my strong point. But there is a common theme running through a lot of these premature postings. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:00, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that common thread myself. Is there an appropriate venue to politely discuss this common thread? ghost 14:29, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The talkpage here would be a reasonable place to start I guess? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:54, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Aye, I would have supported this is well, but that was posted a bit quickly. Black Kite (talk) 23:28, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I updated the article and nominated it minutes after the sentencing. I expect either my exuberance to get it listed was contagious or that editors had grown weary of my whining about the earlier (failed) nom. My apologies if I stressed a volunteer into acting outside established practises. I'd also like to thank Ad Orientem for their due diligence with the error report. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Reidgreg as far as I can see, no-one can take issue with your approach here, the nomination was just fine. We do tend to wait more than a couple of hours before posting such items as we allow sufficient time for a consensus to "develop" rather than simply acting after the first two votes are cast (this is sometimes okay for RD when all we're debating is the quality of the target article, but usually for the main ITN stories, we look for both quality and significance). So in short, you did nothing wrong at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support based upon the previous conversation and the overall merits of the case. This is a high profile serial killer case in a city/country that is not exactly known for them. I have no real stance on the fact this was posted so quick (I don't believe it should be pulled), but maybe in the future it should be held back a few hours to ensure the consensus is still there to post it. --PlasmaTwa2 22:00, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks again. Folks here were correct to wait for sentencing. It was listed 8–13 February and received more page views than it's likely to get again – 185,000 while on the main page, when it normally gets 400 daily. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:17, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Jan Olszewski

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Article: Jan Olszewski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Super Express, Reuters
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Article updated
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(Closed) International Contact Group on Venezuela

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Article: International Contact Group on Venezuela (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Contact Group on Venezuela is formed in Montevideo, Uruguay. Bolivia and Mexico decline to sign the final text of the Montevideo declaration. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg, ANSA, UPI
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: I previously nominated this when it was just the conference. At the time it was declined, many of those so declining saying we should wait until it occurred and actually produced something. In that spirit, I'm now resubmitting. Chetsford (talk) 06:07, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
it's hard to understand the significance of either this meeting (which barely a dozen countries attended) No problem. Just one minor point of correction, it was 13 countries, but I understand your apprehension. Chetsford (talk) 17:04, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Where I live, even 13 is "barely a dozen". The Rambling Man (talk) 20:33, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A bakery? j/k Chetsford (talk) 22:42, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: John Dingell

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Article: John Dingell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit News, BBC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 02:11, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Emiliano Sala

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Article: Emiliano Sala (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Dorset Police have confirmed that the body recovered from the wreckage is that of the Argentine footballer. Previous nominations were closed on grounds that there was no official confirmation that Sala had died - unfortunately, this is now the case. I am unclear on procedure, considering the death is not recent, per se, but believe we go with the date of the death's announcement. Stormy clouds (talk) 23:00, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frank Robinson

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Article: Frank Robinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYDN
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 19:33, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 6

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(Posted) RD: Manfred Eigen

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Article: Manfred Eigen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): "Manfred Eigen, 1967 Nobel Chemistry Laureate, Dies at 91". The New York Times. 7 February 2019. Retrieved 7 February 2019.
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: C-class article and reliably sourced. sentausa (talk) 14:06, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Yechiel Eckstein

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Article: Yechiel Eckstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jpost: Israeli-American Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein dies at 67
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Nominator's comments: Start class article and reliably sourced. DBigXrayᗙ 18:37, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Not got time to check this in detail now, but my immediate thought is that the article appears biased in its presentation because of the large criticism section, while the awards are buried under personal life. The lead is also slender. The personal life needs some clarification -- was he married twice? His son daughter has an article but appears to only be mentioned in the infobox. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:56, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've left a comment on the talk page in response to your query, @DBigXray:. On a closer inspection there's a bit too much reliance on the official obituary at the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. There's a NYT obituary, which I've now linked, which might be helpful. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:29, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I have added better sources as Espresso Addict suggested above. --DBigXrayᗙ 05:39, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Paul Dewar

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Article: Paul Dewar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [58]
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Article updated
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(Closed) RD: Rosamunde Pilcher

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Article: Rosamunde Pilcher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [59]
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Article updated
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 User:Clibenfoart —Preceding undated comment added 08:27, 8 February 2019

British author who sold over 60 million novels.

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February 5

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(Closed) RD: Mel Tomlinson

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Article: Mel Tomlinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [60]
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article in good shape. Connormah (talk) 02:28, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: George Klein

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Article: George Klein (DJ) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [61]
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  • 25-year-old Australian footballer and refugee from Bahrain, Hakeem al-Araibi, is ordered to defend an extradition order back to Bahrain in a Bangkok court, after being detained upon arrival in Thailand for his honeymoon with his wife in November 2018. International community is treating it as a human rights issue; a campaign to free al-Araibi and return him to Australia is growing. (news.com.au)

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(Posted) RD: Leonie Ossowski

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Article: Leonie Ossowski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bayerischer Rundfunk
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article expanded and sourced. Writer, entertaining and enlightening, who received notable awards, whose script was made an award-winning TV play, and whose novel is school canon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Hakeem al-Araibi

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Article: Hakeem al-Araibi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Refugee footballer detained in Thailand on honeymoon from Australia in November; court rules on 4 Feb case to be heard of extradition back to Bahrain. Human rights issue gaining traction around the world and being compared to case of Rahaf Mohammed. (Post)
News source(s): news.com.au The Conversation SBS News
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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. More to come. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 14:19, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: John Otho Marsh Jr.

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Article: John Otho Marsh Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:33, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Emiliano Sala

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Article: Emiliano Sala (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Per previous discussion and consensus that the story was not worthy of a blurb, renominating Sala as a RD item. Death is now certain, although his remains haven't been recovered yet. Mjroots (talk) 17:09, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Premature, as per Masem. The questions I raised previously, about the official route to change "disappeared" to "officially dead", will probably evaporate. I suspect we will simply follow an announcement in the press. But it may be several days before lifting the wreckage is even attempted. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:46, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Pulled) RD: Matti Nykänen

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Article: Matti Nykänen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yle.fi
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Four-time Olympic champion, and according to Yle, "widely considered the best male ski jumper of all time". 85.194.243.137 (talk) 08:53, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Nayib Bukele (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nayib Bukele is elected President of El Salvador. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Nayib Bukele is elected President of El Salvador.
News source(s): [62]
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Nominator's comments: Article still tagged for needing references, but has already seen some improvements. Needs a little bit more work to be ready. There is also an article about the election itself, but it is woefully far from ready for Front Page. This article could possibly get up to standards before going stale. Kenmelken (talk) 18:44, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Super Bowl LIII

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Article: Super Bowl LIII (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In American football, the New England Patriots defeat the Los Angeles Rams in the Super Bowl (MVP Julian Edelman pictured). (Post)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 02:58, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image now protected. 331dot (talk) 14:21, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: please can you change the link to include the text LIII (or 53rd if you prefer that) as was originally proposed here and per the discussion above? I was unable to revert for a third time due to being in an edit war, but that's the way we did it last year and I don't see consensus for anything else. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 15:41, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ITN blurbs never include the year or competition number of an event. There's no need to include it here either; it's obvious that the blurb refers to this year's event (more obvious than the roman numeral!). Modest Genius talk 16:01, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Modest Genius - it’s not needed. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:09, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Modest Genius is quite correct. The roman numerals might not be understood by readers. 331dot (talk) 16:11, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Right.... we never the numerals, except for every single year.[63][64][65][66][67] <sigh> Anyway, can we at least put the word "the" into the link, i.e. change it to the Super Bowl so that the link isn't quite so incorrect? Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 16:16, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Huh. That's really weird - how did no-one spot that error in previous years? (Yes I consider it an error.) Anyway, if something was done incorrectly in the past, that doesn't mean we shouldn't fix it now. Modest Genius talk 12:01, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see a need to do so, although another admin may do so if they wish. In general, we don't include the year/competition number in other sports postings. The fact that it may have been done with past Super Bowls doesn't mean it should continue if we don't do it for anything else. 331dot (talk) 16:24, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would tend to agree with you IF the subject was up for formal discussion. Absent a change being specifically proposed, we shouldn't break from precedent for this event in deference to precedent for the more general category of events. ghost 17:36, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There are a lot of unsourced paragraphs in the article, including most of the prose summary. This seemed to have been rushed a bit too fast, though I don't blame editors for not being all that enthused about this particular game. SounderBruce 22:05, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pulled by User:Amakuru ([68]) --DannyS712 (talk) 23:39, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Pulled. I stayed up until 3.30am watching this game, and I have to say I enjoyed it a lot. Outstanding defensive play is just as admirable as free scoring offensive shoot outs, and the tension involved when both sides know that one score could decide the whole game is exciting to watch. User:SounderBruce is correct, though, in that the article does not meet sourcing standards for the main page so I've pulled it for now. Hopefully the issues can be resolved quickly and it can go back up.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:44, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a comment, recaps of sporting events do not need to be sourced, in the same manner that we don't require sources for plot summaries of works, as long as nothing interpretative is used (as the event can be re-viewed to confirm) That said, sourcing of the game's events in this case should be very very easy with how much coverage it gets, but it is not required. Other sourcing problems are legitimate though. --Masem (t) 00:32, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
To build upon this, when I update the game summary for the Grey Cup article each year, I usually just use one source for the entire summary. That works fine. --PlasmaTwa2 01:32, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've considered the arguments above, and have made a few fixes to the article. I'm going to restore it because the most convincing argument is that a game serves as a primary source for itself. Anybody can watch a recording of the game and see the events unfold. This is analogous to the way that a book serves as a primary source for its own plot summary. No secondary source is needed unless there is analysis or opinion. To that end, I have removed whatever analysis or opinion I could see that didn't have a reference. For a better explanation, see Wikipedia:How_to_write_a_plot_summary#Citations. Jehochman Talk 13:45, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carmen Duncan

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Article: Carmen Duncan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): news.com.au Actor Carmen Duncan dead at 76
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start class article, working to have now added refs for everything. DBigXrayᗙ 18:37, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SirEdimon can you please take another look and reconsider the !vote, the article as it stands now is fully sourced. --DBigXrayᗙ 19:48, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Kristoff St. John

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Stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 06:19, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Kristoff St. John (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline, NBC News
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Needs work. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:08, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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February 2

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February 2, 2019 (2019-02-02) (Saturday)
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(Posted) RD: Walter James Edyvean

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Article: Walter James Edyvean (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American bishop, I've expanded the article a little and added some missing refs. It is short but sufficient, I think - Dumelow (talk) 08:39, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

February 1

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February 1, 2019 (2019-02-01) (Friday)
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  • Three students at a school in Johannesburg, South Africa, are killed after a footbridge connecting the main school administration to various class rooms collapses. (AA)

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(Posted) RD: Clive Swift

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Article: Clive Swift (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, The Independent, BBC, Radio Times
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British stage, radio, film and television actor Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Wade Wilson

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Article: Wade Wilson (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): usa today
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football player, DannyS712 (talk) 22:44, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is now older than the oldest item in RD, that's why we cannot repost. But thanks for fixing the reference, the article is better now. --Tone 15:59, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 AFC Asian Cup Final

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Article: 2019 AFC Asian Cup Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ ​In football, the AFC Asian Cup concludes with Qatar winning the final against Japan. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, The Guardian, CNN
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: AFC Game. Sherenk1 (talk) 15:52, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) US suspends INF Treaty

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Article: Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United States suspends the Cold War Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty over claims Russia has violated the treaty. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Russia announces the suspension of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in response to the treaty's suspension by the United States.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Russia announces the suspension of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in response to the treaty's suspension by the United States, which claimed Russia has violated the treaty.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Russia announces the suspension of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in response to the United States announcing plans to withdraw from the treaty.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Russia announces the suspension of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty in response to the United States suspending the treaty and announcing the plans to withdraw from it.
News source(s): NYTimes, Reuters
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Article is not yet updated but as I write I think there are editors working on it. In terms of timing, I think this action is the point-of-no-return, compared to just an announcement that they plan to leave the treaty, from what I can tell from sources. There may be further negotiations with Russia to clear up the matter and unsuspend it, and there is statements that the US will make certain military moves on the EU/Russian border over the next six months with this, but I am pretty confident this is the right point. Masem (t) 14:53, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment In the previous nomination it was argued that the better timing would be when Congress decides to withdraw (which seemingly hasn't happened yet). If Pompeo suspends, he may reconsider as well. Brandmeistertalk 15:18, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I hate how news reports tend to overlook the mechanics of these things... Per Reuters, US is suspending how it will hold up its side of the treaty (eg it's planning on moving NATO forces around against bounds of the treaty, etc.) and will plan to formally withdraw in 6 months should Russia not come to compliance. So no act of Congress is necessary to suspend (that will be needed in 6 months), so this should be a question of the suspension is as significant. Given the way this is being covered, I'd argue this is, as will be if US withdraws in 6months time. --Masem (t) 15:24, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose more sabre-rattling, let's wait until the leaving actually occurs. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:21, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait The United States has not actually left the treaty. ―Susmuffin Talk 21:25, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I point out above that yes, this is not the same milestone as Congress okay'ing leaving the treaty; that mark has been set for 6 months from now, and should that happen, that's definitely an ITN. My point is that this is a rather novel change in that the executive is willfully suspending the treaty and will move its forces around in technical violation of it. Now whether that's a milestone for ITN or not, it is a point to be debated, but I will argue this is a significant enough change to be itn-worthy. (outside of article quality which I haven't checked recently). --Masem (t) 22:59, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support significant milestone, and the leadup to the event made news too. Banedon (talk) 21:46, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – More political posturing on the part of what's-his-name? – Sca (talk) 23:23, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait / Support - Wait until it's confirmed, as The Rambling Man and Masem have rightfully pointed out. If it actually happens, it should be posted swimmingly. When the USA and USSR signed the treaty it quite literally went down in history, and it would be significant if the US decided to scrap it. The US has been floating this for a while, but now that it's been announced by the US secretary of state that they are in fact going to do pull out of it, we shouldn't have to wait for too much longer. (Update - though America has not yet pulled out of it, Russia announced they will be developing new missiles, so it makes perfect sense to post it now.) Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 00:48, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb 2 Historical event. 1960-s tier Arms Race has just began and people here are arguing whether to post it or not. Jesus. I bet if the Christ made a second coming people here would be voting oppose until he'd be killed again to verify his Godhood, at which point they would say it was already stale and vote oppose anyway. Openlydialectic (talk) 20:03, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nobody questions the importance of it. It's just that neither Trump nor Pompeo even have the power to make or break treaties. He needs the consent of 2/3 of the Senate to do that, and I'll only support a blurb that mentions that the US has only announced its intentions to suspend it. Of course it's important; I'd go as far as to say this paved the way for a "Cold War II." The only objections are based on the fact that the US is still in it. That being said, Russia has responded by doing the same, and Putin actually does have the authority to declare that Russia can and will being developing new missiles (which he has, according to new sources). As a result, I support posting the blurb at this time, provided that the language of the blurb does not inaccurately state that the US suspended it. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 21:47, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Only a fool would think the Senate would not vote in favour of it" is obviously WP:CRYSTAL. He needs 60 votes. He doesn't have 60 republicans. Maybe he will in fact get enough people from the opposition party to support his proposal, and maybe he won't. The fact of the matter is there's not been a vote on it. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 03:41, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • That may be so, but the fact to the matter is: Trump has already suspended the treaty, and that's what we absolutely have to put in the blurb. If the blurb just states that the US announced plans to withdraw from it without mentioning the fact that they've already suspended it, that blurb would be highly misleading Openlydialectic (talk) 10:47, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jeremy Hardy

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Article: Jeremy Hardy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Daily Telegraph
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 SchroCat (talk) 10:22, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, all reffed up to date, I think. - SchroCat (talk) 11:18, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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