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Are citations needed for Discography?

Is it essential to provide citations on a musical artist's discography section? Tamingimpala (talk) 16:43, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tamingimpala, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer appears to be Yes, but not necessarily inline. See WP:WikiProject Discographies/style#Citations and references. --ColinFine (talk) 17:32, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Sources review

Hi, could you please review the sources i have provided in my draft of "David Alaverdian" HaykInformation (talk) 17:17, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:David Alaverdian --ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, HaykInformation, and welcome to the Teahouse. The sources required to establish notability need to meet all three of the requirements of being reliably published, independent of the subject, and containing significant coverage of the subject. 1 may mor may not be reliable, but is almost certainly not independent, and does not contain significant coverage. 2 is a blog, which are hardly every regarded as reliable sources; 3 does not contain significant coverage. In short - you probably can't use 2 as a reference at all; 1 and 3 may be used as primary sources, to support uncontroversial factual information, as long as there are also suitable independent sources to establish him as notable. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Link to Italian wiki

Can someone please explain to me why in this article the link to the corresponding Italian article doesn't show up even though the interlink is properly established in the wikidata repository? Tanonero (msg) 15:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Tanonero: Interwiki links aren't immedately updated when something is changed on wikidata, but rather from time to time via a job queue. You can use a purge to speed things up. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:35, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: Thanks a lot! --Tanonero (msg) 15:38, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I have adjusted the link to above. Shortcuts are a pain. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

How to shrink a logo pic

I Need help to shrink a logo pic Where in the already published german wiki, the logo is correct dimensioned, on the en-wiki page (not yet published) it is to big. So I need Your help how to shrink the logo pic. See: [[1]] [[2]] [[3]]

Thanks in advance Stroth wiki (talk) 17:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Stroth wiki: Hello, and Welcome to the Teahouse. The |logo= param of Template:Infobox organisation expects a filename and an exitension only. If done this way, the infobox will automatically adjust the image to a fitting size, because this way the size of the image is dependent on the size of the infobox. So, for example, to use File:Example.jpg as a logo, one would type |logo=Example.jpg. I have changed this in User:Stroth_wiki/sandbox. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I see. The "centered" was an overdose. Thank You! --Stroth wiki (talk) 18:08, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Race and intelligence help

On this page Race and intelligence there are errors "harvp error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFNisbettAronsonBlairDickens2012a" does anyone know how to fix this? Thank you! QuantumRealm (meow • telescope) 19:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi QuantumRealm. That reference is listed in full twice in the text. To use harv references the full reference must be listed only once. Put one copy in the Bibliography section and remove the other one. See Template:Harvard citation no brackets. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser

How do you edit using AutoWikiBrowser? 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:10, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kepler-1229b: Check out Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser. There is link there to request permission to use AWB and also a link to the user manual. RudolfRed (talk) 02:57, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

got it🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 22:01, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

help

need help with making my article compliant with wikipedia guideline Antranjay singh (talk) 18:27, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Antranjay singh, hello and welcome, if you are referencing your draft article on the politician, then unfortunately no, it is not possible right now for anyone to help you (pertaining their notability status) as they fail to meet our general notability criteria and out notability criteria for politicians. See WP:GNG and WP:NPOL respectively. Celestina007 (talk) 19:19, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Antranjay singh: generally, candidates for office aren't notable - if he wins election to a state or national legislative district, he's notable though. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:01, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Untitled signatuew without a question

 Alan Svirnovskiy (talk) 17:50, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Alan Svirnovskiy! You can make future test edits at Wikipedia:Sandbox or by creating your own personal sandbox, for instance at User:Alan Svirnovskiy/sandbox, to see how Wikipedia formatting works. — Bilorv (talk) 23:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Table appears under next subheading

I tried adding a table to the following page "2021 Belarusian Premier League" It is entitled "Managerial Changes". For some reason, the table appears below the "League Table" subheading below it, and I can't figure out why. Barnasj (talk) 22:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I tried adding a table to the following page "2021 Belarusian Premier League" It is entitled "Managerial Changes". For some reason, the table appears below the "League Table" subheading below it, and I can't figure out why. Barnasj (talk) 23:02, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Barnasj, it appears that a curly bracket was missing at the end of the table syntax. It should be fixed now. – NJD-DE (talk) 23:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

hello

just passing to say hi, im quite new to wikipedia so i would like some advice on how to edit properly.

thanks in advance. TheTankMan001 (talk) 18:04, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TheTankMan001. Try The Wikipedia Adventure. It is an interactive learning game. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:18, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

i already did but its quite basic though, anyways, thanks for the tip anyway. dojyannn, TheTankMan001 is here! (talk) 18:22, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

TheTankMan001 before I made my first Wikipedia edit I read dozens of Wikipedia articles – both the ones rated as good articles, and those that had tags stating problems needed fixing. (I chose subjects I was interested in, so that wasn't boring.) I looked at the references and figured out good sources vs. not reliable ones. After that, when I read an article that I felt could be improved, I knew where to look for good information, and how to write what I call the "bland, neutral" style. (I can't give my opinion, or use flowery language. As Sergeant Joe Friday used to say on Dragnet "just the facts".) I had to know what Wikipedia was all about before I could try to help out.

Best wishes on your upcoming editing adventures. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

thanks for the advice! dojyannn, TheTankMan001 is here! (talk) 00:30, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Machan Taylor nominated for speedy deletion... it's a DRAFT and has only been up for ... 45 minutes?!

I JUST started creating and editing an article draft for singer and composer Machan Taylor. My draft is synthesizing at least six resources or more. The thing has only been up for 45 minutes but I spent several hours collecting sources and details that would fit any legitimate article on Wikipedia. I've contested the speedy deletion proposal but am just baffled that the thing has been up in a space that should allow for safe drafting before any of these judgments are cast on one's work for just a few minutes and I'm already grappling with this. I haven't edited more because I wanted to get some sleep. Is there any way to preserve one's work so I have a chance to edit this? I had added some notes in the draft that may have triggered something, but they are meant for editing and cross-referencing. Please help: I've put a lot of research preparing for this draft and am concerned the work I've put in won't get at least some minor consideration after I finish the draft ... I mean, I just started this draft and am already chasing problems that a draft shouldn't really be dealing with. --1987atomheartbrother (talk) 10:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Your draft was deleted because it was a copyright violation. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. Theroadislong (talk) 10:40, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

? I didn't edit anything that violated copyright... this is perplexing. I worked on this thing for hours. Can someone please restore the draft so I can keep working on it? --1987atomheartbrother (talk) 10:42, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@1987atomheartbrother: (edit conflict) Hello, and Welcome to the Teahouse. First of all, I am not an administrator, so I cannot view the deleted text. While it is true that the rules in draftspace are somewhat more lenient, there are still certain things not allowed there. Keep in mind that even though its draftspace, its still technically visible to others (but not search engines, at least the well-behaved) when they know where to find it. Based on the deletion reason left by Jimfbleak it appears like the page was too similar to [machantaylor.com/bio this website]. While that website doesn't carry any information about its content license (or I just didn't find it), because copyright issiues can put Wikipedia in legal jeopardy, we must assume its copyrighted, meaning we cannot use the exaxt wording here. We don't restore copyright violations. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

So I need to start over? I literally spent HOURS on research and drafts through the night. It would have been easier to just copy something. I had reference notes on the article draft. But all reference notes are going to be similar to her bio: if I mention 10 bands she's been a part of and those 10 bands are mentioned in her bio I am getting slapped with a copyright violation? What would you suggest? 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 10:50, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

As I said, I am not an admin and therfore cannot see the deleted text. I sometimes realy wish I could see deleted revisions, but that is not a privilege the community has given me so far And I am 99% sure that an attempt to get that privilege would fail due to WP:NOTNOW). I have mentioned Jimfbleak here, perhaps he can give some more info? Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:12, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Jimfbleak deleted it as a blatant copyright violation of this page. I have to say that this does puzzle me. I haven't made a systematic comparison, but I chose four samples from what you wrote, had Firefox look for each within the page said to have been plagiarized, and Firefox failed to find any. OTOH I am sleepy. Perhaps Jimfbleak would like to comment. -- Hoary (talk) 11:19, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Another user flagged it as a copyright violation. You made a minor edit to it. You then reduced its bulk considerably. After that, Jimfbleak deleted the entire draft. Some of the material in what you deleted from the draft did violate copyright. Wild guess: You copied material that looked promising into the draft intending to paraphrase or quote the best bits and delete the rest before submitting the result as a candidate article -- surely, you thought, this would be OK? But no, even the fleetingest copyright violation counts as copyright violation. And my guess could anyway be wrong. -- Hoary (talk) 11:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hoary The notes I deleted were just a mess of items I'd gathered for reference. I'm not even sure I was going to use any of it. I saw the first copyright violation flag and contested before I went back to clean up what I was planning to leave in the draft to resume work later. We're all volunteers here, so this is pretty intense. I'll need to get some sleep. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 11:47, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I need to get some rest too. Here's the way I worked on this: I tend to work on Pink Floyd and other bands from time to time. I wanted to create a Machan Taylor page: she may be the only Pink Floyd back up singer that hasn't had an article drafted and she is cross-referenced across several other existing articles. I spent a few weeks totaling a good amount of hours researching her. I pulled resources and references together, compared them to see which ones were legitimate enough, etc. The subject has worked with Glenn Miller Orchestra, Sting, Gov't Mule, and many others too - is a professor in her artistic space, etc. So I began a draft. I synthesized information that I put in the first paragraph (the introductory paragraph) that were in my own words. I created a paragraph about her early life that is based on interviews - more than a couple. Then I left some notes in the space that would be devoted to her career overview but those notes were not organized. That may have included things from other sources that I needed to check on to see if they were fit for quotes. I stopped because I had been working on this for hours and needed a break. Within minutes the draft was deleted. I just feels like if I write the bands this woman worked with it will get slapped with 'plagiarism.' So this one singer for Pink Floyd and all these other artists and bands will never have an article then - it seems it will be impossible to get around this. Also, what this tells me is the 'draft' space here is no such thing. You have to bring the article 100% fleshed out and fully done to avoid punitive action. It seems it's not a very effective space to begin a project and resume work on it later. It's a tad harsh. The first two sections of the article were my own work. The third section was just jumbled notes to guide the next part of the draft... so I'm not sure what this means in terms of drafting. Thank you for your feedback. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 11:42, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

1987atomheartbrother, The editors who search for copyright violations are not perfect, I know I'm one of them. I think my error rate is under 1% but I do make mistakes. even when it is not a mistake, if the material is enough of the copyright violation that it ought to be deleted, I fully understand that it may also include information such as references that would be relevant for a rewrite. My guess is that the deleting administrator would be happy to email you the contents, but if that doesn't happen in short order, let me know and I will email the contents to you. S Philbrick(Talk) 11:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Sphilbrick I understand. I'd appreciate the help and will keep referential material on a Word doc... it seems that's what triggered this. I think I'm just a bit paranoid now for lack of rest and because I was being so careful! Thanks, everyone.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 11:50, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

One thing that is important to be aware of is that close paraphrasing, when a text is minimally rewritten, is also (usually) a copyright violation, and is certainly plagiarism. I haven't seen your text so I don't know if that was the issue here, but it is something that happens pretty frequently. It is really difficult to paraphrase a text well, because we get stuck in how the existing text presents and discusses the information. The best way of creaating an entirely new text is to start with just the key facts and write the text based on those, instead of starting with existing sentences and writing a text based on them. --bonadea contributions talk 12:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Bonadea Thank you for the feedback, I truly appreciate it.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@1987atomheartbrother: I'm not surprised you are frustrated at this experience but since you will be starting over (I hope from the e-mailed copy) I can give you a couple of tips from my experience with new articles. First, DONT use MS Word: it often "helpfully" converts Wiki markup for italics (that is '') into standard quotes (or even "smart" quotes, which is worse) and makes other possibly unwanted changes. So keep your local copy in a simple text editor (I use Wordpad, saving as .rtf). Second, it is helpful to switch between the local editor and the source editor in Wikipedia, to see, for example, how the templates will render and occasionally to add new material, especially citations. Make sure you switch on syntax highlighting in the Source editor (pen icon next to the word "Advanced" at top of edit window) so that you can use the colours to match up tags etc. Preview often BUT don't save ("publish") anything — copy the edited material back into your local editor from time to time. That way, you'll never hit copyright issues because Wikipedia will have no retained material until you are nearly done with the draft. Third, focus first on establishing that your WP:BLP meets the WP:NMUSICIAN notability criteria, which should be easy in this case. A full discography or list of bands can be added after acceptance of the article, so just get your key WP:secondary reliable sources that have WP:SIGCOV included. Quality is much more important in drafts than quantity. So you don't need a photograph of the artist but you must have a cited source for any facts about her. Some simple facts can be cited to WP:primary sources like her website but such sources don't establish notability. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Mike Turnbull Thank you for this feedback: everything I'm getting here is great guidance.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

1987atomheartbrother, I understand you might want to take a brief break which is understandable. I believe that the admin restored your material and mentioned that on your talk page. If I'm mistaken and you still need the material, you should turn on your email option in preferences and I will email you the contents. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Sphilbrick I think the material was restored, which I appreciate it. But I will make sure to have the email option turned on. I didn't realize it wasn't on. Thanks so much.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Get my article reviewed

I have written an article on the current political situation of the Amhara ethnic group in Ethiopia. There is a waiting period of 5 months before it could be reviewed. It would be nice if someone could review it before that. Here is the link to the draft article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Amhara_Massacre

Thanks, KeyBaher (talk) 03:44, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, KeyBaher. It could take up to five months or it could be sooner. Each reviewer decides which drafts they want to evaluate, and the highest quality drafts tend to get reviewed sooner. Your draft is about a massacre but does not give the date of the event in the opening sentence. Correct that. The victims were from the Amhara people and you should link to that article. Link also to the major places mentioned in your draft, and the organizations involved. Your article begins with describing one specific massacre but then goes on to describe a variety of related incidents, including several that took place earlier. Consider restructuring the draft to a more chronogical narrative. In conclusion, the best thing you can do is to keep improving the draft, making it closer and closer to a halfway decent encyclopedia article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:37, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Actor Jose Perez

I've been trying to write a page about the character actor Jose Perez and it keeps being rejected. I sincerely believe I've thoroughly documented his career and shown it's notability and I don't want to submit and be rejected again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jose_Perez_(actor) I'm hoping someone here can help me understand what the problem is so I can fix it. Perrydigm (talk) 00:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Perrydigm, welcome to the Teahouse! Articles on Wikipedia have to be written from a WP:NPOV, not like a article in the New York Times. There is a standard for neutrality that articles must meet.

Second, a lot of the sources are not reliable or do not contribute to notability. Almost all of the references are from some list of stuff, which doesn't demonstrate notability. For some of the other ones, notability isn't established by a passing mention unfortunately. Then there is the fandom.com citation, which is not reliable, as it is also a Wiki. You should read the general notability guidelines.

Also, a little secret: It's much easier to start on Wikipedia with something small. A new article is very, very hard to accomplish. I would recommend starting with smaller tasks such as copy edit or categorization. There is a list of tasks at WP:TASKCENTER. I, personally, started with commenting out unused list defined references. Trust me, it's much easier to start this way. Most, if not all, of the editors you see here today had beginnings doing basic copy edit, and some still do now. Thank you for reading this!Sungodtemple a tcg fan!!1!11!! (talk) 01:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Well thank you Sungodtemple, but A)I am not just starting here. I have created two new articles in the past, so I am not unaware of the criteria or the difficulty. I just seem to be having particular trouble convincing reviewers they are being met for this one. And B) I'm not sure how to make the point that the productions he performed in received excellent reviews (which I document with references) from a more Neutral POV. They were good reviews. That's not neutral.

C)The notability criteria for entertainers are:

"Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions."

He acted in eighteen 'big-screen' movies, which between them won 2 Emmys, 3 Golden Globes and were nominated for 2 Oscars and 3 more Golden Globes. I think that constitutes "multiple" and the Emmys and GoldenGlobes would seem to indicate notability. And he was in the principle cast for two different TV shows. That is a "significant role".

"Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following."

I can't attest to his personal following, but at least one of the films he acted in is considered a "cult classic".

"Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment."

I can't attest to "unique" or "innovative" personal contributions, but many of the productions he performed in were certainly groundbreaking (Steambath, The Way of The Gun, Eastside Westside).

What I think is indisputable, however is that his contributions have been "prolific". How can anybody possibly argue that over 980 performances on Broadway, over 400 performances off-Broadway, dozens of television episodes in ten different TV series, including one in which he had second-billing and appeared in every episode (On the Rocks), as he did in Calucci's Department (where he got third billing) and eighteen 'big-screen' movies isn't "prolific"?

Is there some doubt as to whether he actually acted in all these productions? Is there some way to more "reliably" document his participation in all those productions that would be more persuasive? There aren't a whole lot of sources other than IMDB, etc. for this sort of information that I'm aware of. What am I missing?

Perrydigm a sad fact of life is that a lot of online sources aren't considered reliable, including the Internet Movie Database. I've written articles about actors, and editors come along after the article's been published and remove my occasional IMDd reference. Try to find published-in-book-form reliable references. And even though you love Calucci's Department, just say Jose Perez was in it, not that it was and much-beloved but ill-fated show. Here's a reference I found for you:

Perez played Ramon Gonzales in Calucci's Department.(use proper referencing format) Tim Brooks and Earle Marsh, The Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and TV Shows 1946 – Present, Ballantine Books, 1979, page 98.

You referenced a New York Times article about the show. Nice article, but Perez isn't mentioned in it, so it doesn't help him to be notable. If you have a local library that's now open, and it has a good reference book section, try to find books listing Perez's movie roles. For each one you find there's a good reference source.

It seems to be important to you to say that The Way of the Gun is a cult classic, but if that hinders you getting a neutral-tone article accepted, just write that Perez was in the film, and find a good reference that says so.

I'm a published author, and I like to be creative, and to let people know my opinions of certain things. But I can't do that on Wikipedia. I keep everything neutral, and if I ever write that something's considered excellent, then I'm giving a direct quote from a reliable published source. It is difficult for me to write a good Wikipedia article, because it often takes me six or more months to find good references. But if I want to have a good online source of information on a subject that's important to me I don't publish the article until I'm confident everything in it will pass muster with most reviewing editors. Best wishes in editing your draft article. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:49, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very very much Karenthewriter!

I think I get it now, though I have to admit I think it's pretty bizarre that something that is clearly fact (like that he was in all those productions) is rejected because of technicalities of of the reference process. I mean it's not like clips of him performing are not currently viewable on YouTube! It seems like a Kafkaesque version of "if a tree falls in the forest and isn't properly documented, it didn't actually fall", even if the tree is lying directly in front of the questioner...

Just for the record, it's not that I'm actually all that big of a fan of Calucci's Department. I originally started doing this because I went looking for info on the actor who played "God" in Steambath, and realized as I looked into it that there was something of a theme to his work, i.e. that he fairly consistently, played significant but non-top-billed roles in shows that got great reviews, but were consistently ridiculously unlucky and Calucci is just the epitome of that (placed in a time-slot up against Sanford & Son during a season when there was a writers strike, lol!).

Well, whatever, I really appreciate the explanation (and the extra citation!)!

Los Angeles Philharmonic Institute

Adding Carolyn Waters Broe to Notable Alumni

I am wondering if anyone in Wikipedia: Teahouse is talented at making additions to articles? I was a violist in the Los Angles Philharmonic Institute Orchestra the very first year in the summer of 1982 under the direction of Leonard Bernstein. It was an amazing experience that I will never forget! Bernstein was absolutely inspiring. I worked with several top celebrity conductors that summer and many of the conducting associates as well. I became the Conductor and Artistic Director of the Four Seasons Orchestra of Scottsdale, Arizona, and the Principal Violist of the Scottsdale Philharmonic. Bernstein helped me to understand the importance of communication with the orchestra members as a conductor. The URL of the LA Philharmonic Institute article is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Philharmonic_Institute. The URL of the Wikipedia article on me is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Waters_Broe. There are pictures of me talking to conductor Christopher Hogwood and working with the Principal Violist of the Los Angeles Philharmonic Jan Halinka. He has long since passed away. I was a student of LA Philharmonic violist Jerry Epstein in the mid-1970s at UC Irvine, CA, who passed away a couple of summers ago after forty-three years with them! It is possible that there is a program in the LA Philharmonic Archives from 1982 with my name listed as Carolyn Broe https://www.laphil.com/about/la-phil/archives-services.

Thank you for your help. Carolyn 98.161.141.134 (talk) 04:10, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Carolyn. I see another editor has now added your name to the article.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

User page

Are IP users allowed to create userpages? If not, why? 89.80.238.24 (talk) 09:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi there 89.80. IPs are allowed to have user pages, however as IP users can't create accounts, they generally don't. It's much better to create an account as, technically, IP addresses are not people and simply numerical values. This means a user page could be yours one day and not be if you have a dynamic IP. As IP signatures also link to your contributions page, it is likely that having a user page will not have much merit. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 10:49, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for answering my question 89.80.238.24 (talk) 10:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

IP's cannot create userpages. If somebody else creates the page then they can edit it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:14, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

My User Contributions when I am logged in generates no content only this message: "The filter provided no history matches"

When I am logged in to my account, I am no longer able to access the list of my Contributions. I can only access it if I am logged out. Is it possible I accidently added an edit filter when I recently visited my Preference page? Thanks. The Contributions option is so useful! Oceanflynn (talk) 16:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Oceanflynn, click the "Search for contributions" button to expand it if it is not already expanded. To check all the contributions, the 'User:' field should have your username, the 'Namespace' field should have 'all' selected, and rest all the fields and tickboxes should be empty. Then, click "search". See if this helps. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 12:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Some important source lines

What are some Important Code Lines of Wikipedia, such as To Submit an Draft for review on Wikipedia-

{{subst:submit}}ExclusiveEditor (talk) 15:40, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor Another important one I can think of is {{Category}}. It allows you to add categories to articles. HiCooldude😎 (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@HiCooldude: that's not what that template does. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: one of the most common ones are ~~~~, to sign your messages. Otherwise, it really depends on what you'd like to do. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor:. There are so many templates and specialist coding that it can be difficult to say which is most important. It depends a lot on the topics you are interested in. For example, I edit mainly for chemicals, so {{Chembox}} is a vital one for me, while someone doing biographies will use {{Infobox person}}. Try reading WP:TEMPLATE and note that many individual template pages say how many times they are used: Template:Infobox person is in about 405,000 pages! Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

See Help:Wikitext. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

My rejected edits involved patents belonging to Jet Black, of the Stranglers Rock Band. The other edit was in connection with the Underwater Wheelchair. by Sue Austin.

I have tried to make edits in connection with two people who I have worked for. They are both still alive, and I worked on their patents, and got them granted. Because I did not know how to edit, I finished up being "told off" for editing, and the edits were removed. How I can edit properly, so that my edits are not removed. The first edit was in connection with the patent which I worked on for Jet Black, of the Stranglers Rock Band. The other was in connection with the Underwater Wheelchair, invented by by Sue Austin. I placed my website on both edits. Was that OK? I can give you my further details if required. This question is in response to the email I received from Wikipedia. Creativeinventor (talk) 12:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Creativeinventor: welcome to the Teahouse. Since you have a connection to these people, and since it is your own website you are adding, you should avoid making those edits yourself. Instead, you should place an edit request on the talk pages of the articles (Talk:Jet Black and Talk:Sue Austin respectively). To place an edit request, place the text {{edit request}} (including the curly brackets) on the talk page, and below that, describe the change you would like to make to the article. There is a step-by-step description of how to do it on this page.

If you are being compensanted in any way for your edits, you also need to disclose that: more information about how you do that here. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 12:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Both articles state that the subject have a patent, with a reference to the patents in question. Your first person addition ("I am pleased to be able to say that I worked with Sue on the preparation of the Patent...") does not belong in the articles. The only way you could be mentioned by name is if there is a publication not connected to you, i.e., not your website, that states that you were a contributor to the patent application processes. David notMD (talk) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Fake sources and own website sources

Can some one edit the 'Social activism' section in the article Vanathi Srinivasan. A good amount of content is not in the source and some are from her own website. I can't edit because it is locked. 2409:4072:895:BC96:2B0A:3E7F:383:ED0A (talk) 16:53, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Please make an edit request on the article's talk page, specifying precisely what changes you think should be made. --ColinFine (talk) 17:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Missing Information

I have found 4 different items that are missing. Since I have never updated a page, I was hoping someone else could make these updates.

On the page for Dec 1, the death of Ken Berry in the year 2018 is missing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Berry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_1

On the page for Feb 1, the death of Heather O'Rourke in the year 1988 is missing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_O%27Rourke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_1

On the page for Nov 11, the birth of John Reilly in the year 1934 is missing. On the page for Jan 9, the death of John Reilly in the year 2021 is missing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Reilly_(actor,_born_1934)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_9 Beatles777! (talk) 16:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Ken Berry  Done --ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Heather O'Rourke  Done --ColinFine (talk) 17:14, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

And I've added Reilly's death to Jan 9, but I've not added his birth, because I am not satisfied that we have a reliable source for his birthday. Almost all the sources are obituaries, most of them originally seem to have reported his age as 84, and one of them said that they got his birth date from Wikipedia. Only one of them (USA Today) seems to have his birthdate, and I suspect that they got that from Wikipedia, and originally said 1936 just as Wikipedia did until 11 January.

Thank you for pointing these out, Beatles777!. --ColinFine (talk) 17:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

reinstating deleted categories (Asian American librarians)

I'm looking for advice around procedures and etiquette for requesting a category be reinstated.

The situation: the category "Asian American librarians" was nominated for deletion in December 2020. I don't think there was a clear consensus to change the category based on that discussion, but it was nonetheless revised to "American librarians of Asian descent," a container category with currently two subcategories: "American librarians of Japanese descent" and "American librarians of Chinese descent". Unfortunately, another subcategory, "American librarians of Korean descent," was nominated for deletion in January 2021 and subsequently deleted. I don't understand how a container category can be maintained with integrity if the subcategories are deleted.

The rationale for maintaining this occupation + ethnicity category is best demonstrated by the existence since 1980 of an organization dedicated to serving the needs of this group, the Asian Pacific American Librarians Association. This is a category that would be difficult to replicate via queries, since a query would need to include the intersection of Asian Americans and multiple Pacific Islander American identities (for example, American Samoan librarians, Native Hawaiian librarians, etc., etc.). Despite the invocation of WP:OCEGRS, this is not a "trivial" intersection to the members of this group! There are currently at least 13 articles in Wikipedia that should be brought together by an "Asian American librarians" category.

My questions: Does the Wikipedia:Deletion review process also work for categories? I only see information about the deletion of pages there. I see that I need to "inform the editor who closed the deletion discussion" as part of the deletion review process, but does that mean the discussion of the original change to a container category, or the discussion of the deletion of the subcategory "American librarians of Korean descent"? The original change from a standalone category to a container category sets these subcategories up for frequent deletion discussions, as the numbers in subcategories such as "Micronesian American librarians" will always be challenged by WP:SMALL, so I think this situation needs to be reviewed as a whole. I appreciate any help! Skvader (talk) 17:39, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

****ATTENTION ADMIN****

I have submitted a request for IMMEDIATE Username change from Joseph.M.Novotny31 to "The Messenger". This is a THEOLOGICAL philosophical document that will be looked at by many scholars and the likes. This was a VIOLATION of my philosophy and goes against the message. Please remove my screw up immediately as the thread is locked for me.Joseph.M.Novotny31 (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC) Joseph.M.Novotny31 (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

We don't accept theological or philosophical treatises. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 13:53, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph.M.Novotny31: To change your user name, you need to follow the procedure described on this page. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 13:59, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

The username User:The Messenger is already taken. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:02, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

If your purpose is to make something like what is on your userpage into a WP-article, that is unlikely to be possible per WP:FORUM. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:57, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

How to get help from other editors on pages with biased contributors?

Hi - I'm noticing a few pages, like Mark Twitchell (a page for a serial killer, who someone keeps describing as an "artist"), Yogi Bhajan, and others. The Yogi Bhajan page now has a "conflict of interest" warning. Are there other means to prevent this kind of biased editing?

 Cisternet (talk) 17:22, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cisternet. Mark Twitchell is not a serial killer although he may have wanted to be. He murdered one person, and tried to kill a second person. The article focuses almost entirely on his crimes, and I do not see him described as an artist currently. The other article is Harbhajan Singh Khalsa, and its talk page has extensive discussions of conflict of interest. It is a messy and sad story. In all cases, the place to begin discussion of problems with an article is the talk page of the article. There are many forms of dispute resolution available. Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard may be of interest to you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

 Cullen328 (talk) 17:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC) Hi - good point - not a serial killer, rather convicted murderer. His page doesn't currently say "artist", because I removed it today - twice. The same editor, who has no about page, keeps adding it back.

question about a draft

hi, I am working on a draft for the page of Gustavo Ruben Valenzuela, how do I submit it for review? Michele Santana Italiano (talk) 16:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Michele Santana Italiano, and welcome to the Teahouse. You appear to have submitted it for review seven minutes before the question above, so I'm a bit puzzled. Anyway, it is now in the pile for review (it is not a queue); but at present it has zero chance of being accepted, because it has no references at all - please see REFB - and so does not establish notability. It is possible that some of the links you have put as "external links" will work as references, but since you have presented them in a way that does not show any useful information about them, I can't tell without going into them. I also note that your language is not neutral or encyclopaedic: "carries with pride his father's name" is inappropriate, as is "grew with that feeling that there was a huge world to be discovered and explored". Remember that a Wikipedia article is not in any way for the benefit of the subject, and Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Michele Santana Italiano: the draft User:Michelesantanna/sandbox/GustavoRubenValenzuela appears to be a copy of a profile at [4]. I have thus marked it for speedy deletion. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. – NJD-DE (talk) 18:23, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Broken Code?

Check out Template:Proposal where the shortcut is not properly shown. Or is it like that? Interesting Geek (talk) 21:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Templates often don't display correctly on their own documentation pages, Interesting Geek, because either the necessary parameters or relevant magic words aren't present. If you look at a page that transcludes the template, such as WP:Days of the year/Holidays and observances it is displayed properly. --ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Michie Tavern - Pronunciation

I took a stab at adding pronunciation for Michie Tavern, based on a tag on the article asking for pronunciation. I used an online tool to create the IPA format + added text about how Michie is pronounced "Mickey" from a source. I looked at Help:IPA and {{IPA}}, but I am not at all sure that I have it right:

• code in article: (Pron: "Mickey" {{ipa|/mɪtʃɪ tævɚn/}})
• what it looks like to readers: (Pron: "Mickey" /mɪtʃɪ tævɚn/)

Can someone help me out? Thanks so much! –CaroleHenson (talk) 18:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

That looks a little contradictory to me. The English pronunciation of "Mickey" is /mɪkɪ/, without a /tʃ/ sound. Where is the source on the pronunciation of "Michie Tavern"? I don't think "tavern" needs to be transcribed in IPA, it is a common enough word in English. --bonadea contributions talk 19:10, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Bonadea Oh, thanks so much. If I change it then to (Pron: {{ipa|/mɪkɪ/}}), does that work?

The source I used was this one. I am a total newbee, there may be better sources.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

No, Bonadea and CaroleHenson, "Mickey" isn't /mɪkɪ/ but instead /ˈmɪki/. The thing that looks like an apostrophe (but isn't one) shows that the first syllable is the stressed one; and note that the two vowels are given different letters (because they're different vowels). Help:IPA/English is pretty good, but its section on dialect variation is (necessarily) long and hard to navigate; I think it's better to go straight to International Phonetic Alphabet chart for English dialects. I don't know how "Michie" is pronounced; if it rhymes with "itchy", then /ˈmɪt͡ʃi/. Incidentally, if there's ever a complication in writing IPA, you might ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. -- Hoary (talk) 00:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh, thanks so much! Michie is pronounced like "Mickey" it said in one source. Great to know about the reference desk!–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:28, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Where is the Proper Area for Talking about Fictional Character Notability

So I have a problem with a draft, mixed of notable and not notable fictional characters. Where is the proper page for talking about their notability? Starting to Hate Noelle (Needs Zhongli Too Bad or Hapith is NOT Taiwan's ballistic missile ) 16:32, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ahthga Yram, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your signature is disruptive, and you should change it immediately. If you want to discuss the appropriateness of the characters, there is probably an appropriate WP:WikiProject, but since Draft:List of Genshin Impact characters (which I assume you're talking about) does not even indicate what medium this is, or bother to wikilink the title, I'm not inclined to go looking for one for you. --ColinFine (talk) 16:59, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine. I'm focusing on a broad range of topics (my purpose), not that one. Starting to Hate Noelle (Needs Zhongli Too Bad or Hapith is NOT Taiwan's ballistic missile ) 01:12, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:NFICTION may have something helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Personal attacks (by calling names and describing bad on editors)

If an editor called names (ex. abusive) on other editors, it will be assumed as WP:NPA issue? BTW, if describing an editor bad, it is a NPA issue?  ----Rdp060707|talk 02:12, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

If an editor abuses another editor, it's a personal attack. Bad editors exist. If I call one of them a "bad editor", with a satisfactory explanation, this isn't abuse and isn't a personal attack. -- Hoary (talk) 02:38, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Where to get a second opinion?

I have no idea how to deal with Awad Haj Ali, I've raised the problem in the talk page, but what come next? I'm not confident enough on my understanding of the rules to delete content, and I feel like this could go against WP:AGF. Obviously by asking the question I raise attention on the article to get a second opinion, but my understanding is that this is not the place to ask this. So my question is: is there a place where I can ask for a second opinion? 37.164.187.165 (talk) 18:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello 37.164, good question. I recommend reading WP:BLP, WP:BOLD and WP:BRD. WP:BLPN may be the place to ask next. Since WP has millions of articles and thousands of active editors, many talkpages (and articles) have few if any watchers, but they are the place to start, like you did. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I see that there have been two edits to reduce a lot of extraneous information, so that looks much better. I have two thoughts: One, the user appears to have a close connection (and therefore more prone to promotional content) and most of the information is not cited. I am going to take a look at whether I can find sources - and if not remove uncited content.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:56, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks for drawing our attention to this. I've removed almost all of the content because we don't list indiscriminate information and none of it was the sort of thing usually considered important enough to mention (except that a short "Selected publications" section of maybe 5-10 of the most important publications could reintroduce some of the "Publications" section). Once you get more confident, you can make such changes unilaterally. I think, unfortunately, the page creator was likely Ali himself or someone else with a conflict of interest as the editor has no contributions outside this topic. But Ali does look notable at a first impression.

To grab more attention, you've found one method (asking at the Teahouse) and I'm agreed with Gråbergs Gråa Sång that WP:BLPN (the biography of living persons noticeboard) is likely the best venue for this. Sometimes there would be an active WikiProject if you're looking for subject specialists (like if it was military history-related, I'd go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history because I know there are a lot of experienced editors there). The key is to remember you've asked the question (maybe make a note of it) and ask somewhere else if you don't get a response where you post initially. — Bilorv (talk) 18:59, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

If there's an admin looking at this, please consider blocking User:Zeinab mandour from editing the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:20, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Zeinab mandour has made another revision of the article. She made the last one after receiving the {{uw-3rr}} message. I also posted the {{connected contributor}} on the article talk page. I have not asked for a block in some time, where is the best place to do that?–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:45, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done I figured it out.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

What do you do at the treehouse?

 Rocky the conure (talk) 19:17, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rocky the conure: Experienced editors answer questions new editors may have about using or editing Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Re answer from Tenyruu: almost always with patience, politeness and a desire to help new editors do good work. Thank you T. Brunswicknic (talk) 03:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

This would be helpful.

Hi everyone, I am new to the wikipedia community. As you guys might know recently India became the worst-hit country by Covid-19 so I decided to create a new page having a compilation of resources because wikipedia is a collaborative platform so the list can be expanded but As a user pointed out it was contrary to purpose of wikipedia. So can anyone suggest other wiki's which may provide the appropriate platform. Thanking You in Advance. Ihcookies (talk) 05:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Ihcookies! Welcome to Wikipedia! Could you elaborate more on what you meant by compilation of resources? What kind of resources are we talking about? Cheers! SunDawn (talk) 05:41, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I think, they are talking about Draft:List of COVID-19 Resources India, which was rejected. --Maresa63 ^Talk 06:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the Reply SunDawn and Maresa63 Actually it was a list of various Government and NGO's websites and helplines of various states which are helping people to find hospitals and oxygen cylinders. Condition here is truly horrifying. Don't want to panic you though. I wanted to help the people in need as wikipedia is a wiki i.e it is collaborative so the article can grow But I am now aware that such articles are not meant for wikipedia. So can you suggest any other wiki which may allow such info to be shared it's okay if none are available I may find other ways to help by such as by making a blog.

Thanks

Yes Maresa63 That's the article...Ihcookies (talk) 06:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Ihcookies personally I find it very noble of you, to do such a thing, and I hope, you find a place on social media, where you can post it. --Maresa63 ^Talk 08:03, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words Maresa63. Alright I will post that list on social media. Thanks for replying. Have a beautiful day. Also thanks to SunDawn.

Ihcookies (talk) 08:30, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

redirect the old page to a new page

How do I redirect the old page to a new page, as the old name is not in use anymore? Nandivarman (talk) 05:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Greetings Nandivarman,

it seems like you wanted to delete the contents of the article Pallar, and have it redirect to Devendrakula Velalar. While I believe you have been acting in good faith based on this news by The Hindu, your action was a bit too bold: The news said that several groups like the Pallar would now be grouped under a new name; but that doesn't mean that the subgroup doesn't exist any more. Simply deleting the content from that article removes information from Wikipedia that others might find helpful – even if it isn't up-to-date. We are not a newspaper, and e.g. you would probably not suggest we delete the article about the Pala Empire, and have it redirect to India, simply because the Pala empire is no more?

You could seek consensus to merge the two articles, thus keeping the information. If that succeeds, you can come back here and ask about redirects if you still need help :) --LordPeterII (talk) 10:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Arsha Aghdasi

Hello; I rewrite my references got inspired from other Iranian’s pages and now I think it’s reliable enough as I use news sites. Can you please re-review it and accept it if possible. I’ll thank you forever🙏🏽. Atena ak2 (talk) 19:40, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Created section title. Article in question is Draft:Arsha Aghdasi. David notMD (talk) 19:47, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Atena ak2 While a few Teahouse hosts are also reviewers, asking here does not move a draft to a faster review. You have resubmitted the draft after addressing the comments of the declining reviewer. All you can do now is wait. David notMD (talk) 11:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Surfacing problems

What should I do if I visit a page and find something lacking in it? How do I surface this to the rest? Lelojello (talk) 02:36, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

You ask two questions. I don't know what the second means, because I don't know what you mean by "surface". Perhaps you could rephrase it. As for the first one, if something is lacking in an article and you can provide reliable, independent, published sources for it, then normally you can either add it to the article or suggest on the article's talk page that it should be added to the article. (Exceptions include trivia and material that's potentially libelous.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:42, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I presume the meaning is to gain the attention of others, in which case you would use templates. Zoozaz1 talk 12:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

An article I think is getting into Wikia/fandom territory

Hey all.

There is an article - I won't name just yet - which I suspect is veering into Wikia/fandom territory rather than Wikipedia 'standard'. What's the best way to deal with this: message editors en masse? Highlight it on a noticeboard somewhere? I'm wary of where my intervention might go, because if it results in an AfD or similar I fear for the dominoes it might push over, but all the same, it's got all the signs of a page being used as a blog/CRUFT-adjacent article and that has started to get out of hand. Thanks x doktorb _words^deeds 12:03, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Put it on the talk page first. ♔MEisSCAMMER^talkcontribs 12:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Translating

What are the rules on translating? How do I do it? When you translate it do you have to change and add stuff or can you just fix minor grammar mistakes and leave it as it is on the foriegn page? Thanks for the help, Article in question is https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri-Nicolas_Frey. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 12:58, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

ONe of the main rules is to not use a machine translation. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:00, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gandalf the Groovy: See Help:Translation for more information. Many of the articles here have been translated from other-language Wikipedias. Some important things to keep in mind are to make sure that the subject meets the English Wikipedia's notability guidelines, that your translated article is supported by reliable, independent sources, and that you properly attribute the original source by following the instructions at Help:Translation#License requirements. Since you are already extended-confirmed, you may also be interested in trying out the content translation tool. DanCherek (talk) 13:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

A to B to A to......

If article A redirects to article B, which redirects to article A, what will happen? ExclusiveEditor (talk) 09:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

IIRC only the first redirect will work, so you will end up at page B. You could try this out yourself wth a couple of sandboxes.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:04, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

This would be a looping redirect/infinite redirect. If it exists (outside of an example page) then you might want to fix it. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:26, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Dashiell Hammett\

 2601:404:0:6C:81FF:F2DC:8250:6DD (talk) 14:47, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Are you looking for Dashiell Hammett?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:53, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Not sure why addition to article was not published--have not had problem before

I have twice attempted to add neutral, cited information to the Wikipedia article titled, Society of Classical Poets. My text did not appear and I do not understand why . . . what did I do wrong? Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you. Birdofparadise3 (talk) 06:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Birdofparadise3, you have never edited Society of Classical Poets. You have twice edited Talk:Society of Classical Poets: your first edit added content which you may have intended for the article itself, your second placed your signature at the top of the page. Maproom (talk) 07:17, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

For the content you appear to want to add to the article, a Wikipedia article cannot be used as a reference in a Wikipedia article. You will need a different ref for A.M. Jester. When you add content to the article, do not add your signature, as signing is for Talk pages. David notMD (talk) 11:15, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Your answer is very helpful and I thank you.

Birdofparadise3, also, the Epoch Times is a deprecated source. It is best to not use it, and instead use more reliable sources like the Washington Post or something like that. Sungodtemple a tcg fan!!1!11!! (talk) 15:01, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Is this article still a stub?

This article was a atub and I added content. So is this still a stub and how big should an article be to not be a stub? Excellenc1 (talk) 13:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

This is kind of a question with no direct answer. There is no specific size an article has to reach in order to not be a stub. Another host can explain this a bit more than I can. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I think it's safe to say it's no longer a stub. See Wikipedia:Stub.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:30, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Personally, I feel still a stub. A History section would go a long way to justifying a change to Start. David notMD (talk) 15:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Expanding and correcting articles

Hello! I was wondering if you guys had a page that needs cleanup that I know about. I know about Nuclear science and physics. Thanks, Midknight Midknight1342 (talk) 15:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Midknight1342, see Category:Physics articles needing expert attention. Hope this helps! Sungodtemple a tcg fan!!1!11!! (talk) 15:11, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

As you flit from article to article, look at the top of the Talk pages. There, you will see the articles' current rating. Stubs and Starts are at the need-work end. Above those, it ascends to C-class, B-class, Good article and Featured article. As you are just starting out, I recommend leaving those alone, as they are the ends products of lots of editors having made improvements. Also, you need to know that for the higher ranked articles, many editors have those on their 'Watch lists', meaning that any time an article is edited, they get a notification. This could lead to your edits being reverted (reversed) for cause. Remember that for every edit, write a concise summary of what you did in the Edit summary at the bottom. A bit more advice - the Talk pages show discussions when editors did not agree on changes. A change you have in mind may have already been proposed and dismissed. David notMD (talk) 15:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Possible Stupid Question

This is probably a stupid question but I feel like I need to know the answer. How much ^[Humor]wood could a woodchuck chuck of my knowledge from Fandom/Gamepedia/Wikia/whatever they call themself now is going to be useful here? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:05, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Also not the entire question is humorous. Just that one little strikethrough part. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, as it goes, Wikipedia is really everything Wikia is not, if I understand the latter correctly. Wikia allows for much more WP:CRUFT and fandom theories with little to no citations or proof, and the templates are different (or not loaded into the background so don't function.). If you want to run wild creating articles for the hell of it, that's not Wikipedia. If you want to make every character in Show X important enough for stand-alone articles and theories, that's not Wikipedia either. doktorb _words^deeds 13:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I do actually understand all of that. What I mean was my experience editing on Fandom. I know that the rules are very different on Wikipedia compared to Fnadom but I feel like the editing process is similar (what I mean is how you edit articles). Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:23, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Knowledge of how to use wikicode is pretty transferable throughout wikis as most of them use rather up-to-date versions of Mediawiki. Can't say the same for TV Tropes, though... —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:33, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Well that's good. Cause right when I got here after leaving Fandom (for a reason I'd rather not discuss) I knew what some of the wikitext meant. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 15:20, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Advertising account

This user, DigiCloudPOS, has seemingly been advertising his user page. I changed the page to a draft. What should we do? From Burgundian Feudalism (talk)

Note: User:DigiCloudPOS has been blocked for advertising.

Burgundian Feudalism, whenever you see someone not following guidelines, first warn them using templates or your own messages. After a few warnings (the number is subjective, based on how egregious the edits were), report them to the admin's noticeboard. There are a few options, such as page protection, 'incidents', vandalism, etc. Usually you would report them to vandalism. If you are interested in stopping vandalism, you can join the Counter-Vandalism Unit. Sungodtemple a tcg fan!!1!11!! (talk) 14:56, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Burgundian Feudalism: When a userpage is just blatant advertising (I haven't seen the page, it has been deleted in the meantime) yust slam a {{db-multiple|U5|G11}} on it. This can be done easier when using Twinkle, if you have that installed. If on top of that the username violates WP:CORPNAME, please take the user to WP:UAA. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:25, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Help with easy fix articles

Hello again! Since I'm not a expert, can someone recommend some easy fix articles about nuclear weapons and stuff to get me started? Thanks again. Midknight1342 (talk) 15:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Midknight1342 It strikes me as somewhat surreal that someone who is not an expert (in nuclear weapons and stuff?) would start by fixing articles about them. I suggest you start more generally. Any article that is stated to be a stub article has great scope for expansion. Why not start there? Look at Category:Stubs and at Category:Articles to be expanded for inspiration. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 15:51, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

You asked a related question 31 minutes earlier and were answered. Why asked again? David notMD (talk) 16:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMDThe particular question you are pointing to got answered, but I am not a expert on that subject. Thanks for letting me know that though.Midknight1342 (talk) 16:29, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Get my article reviewed

I have an article for BGYO's new song entitled He's Into Her, it was moved to draft space almost a month ago. Is it possible to review my article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:He%27s_Into_Her_(BGYO_song) Thank you and best regards. Troy26Castillo (talk) 08:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

The backlog of 5,000+ drafts is not a queue. Reviewers pick what they want to review next. Could be days, weeks, or (sadly) months. Teahouse hosts are not necessarily also reviewers. David notMD (talk) 10:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Troy26Castillo This is the second time you created a draft for a song by BGYO very shortly after the songs' release date (see The Light (BGYO song). And you are extremely knowledgeable about small details. Similar situation for the article about the group BGYO and an article about the launch of the band Be The Light: The BGYO Launch. (Really? An article about the band's launch, separate from the article about the band?) What, if any, are your connections to the group? If paid, that information belongs on your User page. David notMD (talk) 10:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: Hello sir, regarding this matter, I am only a fan but I am not paid in doing these articles. I don't have any connections with them personally even with the management. It saddens me reading your comment sir. Because I am not earning in doing these things. That is why, I don't understand why there is comment in the article of being undisclosed paid. And also sir, if there were things that I need to improve in the article I am revising it to make it better. But, please sir don't say that I am being paid for this. I respect your opinion sir. Thank you also. Troy26Castillo (talk) 12:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: With all due respect, but let me inform you sir that I have nothing to disclosed because I am not paid in doing this article. Why I am being accused of something which I haven't done in the first place. Troy26Castillo (talk) 13:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Asking an editor if they have a personal connection or are in a paid relationship is a common, near-standard question to ask editors who appear to have a single purpose. For the four articles I named (the group, the launch of the group, the two songs - all of which you created), and in addition for Pinoy pop and 2021 in Philippine music you had made between 500 and 1000 edits about BGYO. My query was rational. I see that on your User page you have added a declaration of not PAID, which was the appropriate thing to do. It leaves not answered whether you have any personal connection to the music group, which would fall under conflict-of-interest. David notMD (talk) 15:14, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: Sir, I don't have any personal connection with any of the articles and edits i did here in Wikipedia. I also mentioned it on my user page. But, still I have to be thankful for you in this reminder. At least I know these things now. Lastly, just to be clear I am not connected personally with them or with any articles i did here.Troy26Castillo (talk) 16:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD:And also, to be clear, I am not the creator of the group article, I only edit and add inputs, for clarification only sir.Troy26Castillo (talk) 16:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I am corrected. User:SenyorOtter created BGYO on 1 Feb. You began editing it 3 Feb. And I see that you have added a no conflict of interest declaration on your User page. David notMD (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: Yes, sir and thank you again.Troy26Castillo (talk) 17:27, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Bug report

I have a sort of visual bug I want to report that appears in the android app when reading articles. Where is the right place to report this stuff? I noticed this bug while looking at the German version of the "Deaths in 2021" page, but I've noticed it on other pages since. The problem is that I'm using the dark mode which makes all the text white. In some tables however, every other row has a white background. Despite that, the text stays white, making it practically invisible. If you could tell me where to report this problem, or explain to me why it's not a problem at all and I'm just stupid, either ne would be apprechiated :D VonFuzzius (talk) 22:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

My initial take is that this may be more of a device issue than a Wikipedia issue, but I found Wikipedia talk:Mobile communication bugs. Perhaps you could take it there.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:20, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, VonFuzzius. I edit with Android smartphones 99+% of the time, and I use the fully functional desktop site. In my opinion, the Android app is buggy and not fully functional. If I was the King of Wikipedia, I would shut it down. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

That's helpful information... and sad.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:30, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

how to be a successful trader

 Chainda (talk) 15:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Chainda your first step is to learn where to ask questions about being a successful trader and where not to ask them.

This is one of the latter places Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 15:47, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Meaning, Teahouse is a place to ask questions pertaining to how to edit Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 16:20, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD spoilsport 👀😈 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 17:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Don't perplex the newbies. David notMD (talk) 17:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Merger

Can someone help me find the merger icon? I've come upon a article that needs a merger. Thanks, Midknight1342 (talk) 16:26, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

There's a merger template that automatically inserts the icon. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:30, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Note, Midknight1342 that you should place the templates on BOTH pages, using {{Merge to |Name of combined article |date=May 2021}} AND {{Merge from|Name of article that will disappear after the merger|date=May 2021}}. You also need to put notices on the Talk pages of each article saying where any discussion is going to happen. I'm involved with Partition coefficient which you can use as an example of how to do it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Midknight1342 You appear to be setting out on a plan to propose mergers of articles about decades in music with decades general (example: 1310s and 1310s in music). I strongly recommend you stop this effort. The two sets of articles, parallel by decades have existed for some time, and appear to provide a service. See also 1310s in art as another example of a parallel series of articles. David notMD (talk) 18:01, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:All Things Go Fall Classic

Draft:All_Things_Go_Fall_Classic was rejected. Can someone help me understand how to better write this as an "encyclopaedic article?" I did try to use neutral tone of voice (even when mentioning their political involvement), and included credible external sources. I do think their contributions to female equality in music is noteworthy. Any suggestions on how to improve this text is appreciated. I am trying to compare with other festivals like Coachella_Valley_Music_and_Arts_Festival. Jacobmcpherson (talk) 15:12, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

They give you a pretty good reason why it was declined. They say "it reads more like an advertisement" and it also reads more like a "press release". Also (while I doubt this is a case) if you have some sort of connection to this (whether you were involved in it or went to go see it) you might want to take a look at WP:COI. There are articles that will help you fix the problems described from being rejected however I don't know their inks so I would advise waiting for another host to provide an answer with links to these pages. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 15:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Distinction: Declined is less severe than Rejected. David notMD (talk) 16:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok, right, but I'm asking what would make this read less like an "advertisement" by Wikipedia standards? Is there any constructive feedback on how you could envision the text improved? Jacobmcpherson (talk) 16:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Naming the acts that appeared each year adds nothing to notability. David notMD (talk) 18:20, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Noted, so it might be better written as a neutral combined summary of facts in one or two paragraphs? Jacobmcpherson (talk) 18:34, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

My bad. They're such similar words I get confused. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:46, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

New article

So I made a draft a few months ago about the Great Migration in the Serengeti. I didn't know that there was already a section in the Serengeti article covering it. I think it should be a new article given how notable it is and I asked on the talk page to gain consensus. No one answered so should I still make it and can some of you respond? TigerScientist Chat 19:09, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@TigerScientist: Can you wikilink to your draft? Thanks! AdmiralEek (talk) 19:26, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Great Migration (Serengeti) TigerScientist Chat 19:30, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@TigerScientist: So your draft is not really much longer than the current section in the Serengeti article. Now, if you were to make a full article that was more in depth and more researched, it would probably be appropriate. But as is, its not really much better. Also, make sure to indent your posts using an increasing number of colons :) AdmiralEek (talk) 19:35, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@AdmiralEek: Yeah I haven't been on Wikipedia in months. Can I move information from that article to my draft? TigerScientist Chat 19:38, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@TigerScientist: Well glad to see you around and editing! So you certainly could copy some information from that section. You need to make sure you properly attribute your content, by mentioning in the edit summary "Copied from Foobar, see there for attribution" or something similar. I wouldn't just cut the material however, as the Serengeti article should still have a brief summary about the migration, since we use summary style on Wikipedia. AdmiralEek (talk) 19:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok thank you! TigerScientist Chat 19:45, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

How to find Missing draft

Was working on draft, came back to finish it and it is gone. Is there a way to recover it. Used the title as search term and did not find it. Had not published it yet as it was a working draft. How do you keep a working draft prior to publishing it? Davischip615 (talk) 19:25, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Davischip615: The way to save a draft is to publish it. But it stays as a "draft" even when published, a reviewer needs to approve it for it to be an article. If you did not "publish" it, then what you wrote is likely lost. Make sure to save your work frequently! AdmiralEek (talk) 19:28, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Davischip615: By default Wikipedia only searches for pages in the mainspace; you have to change your search settings to find drafts. Are you sure you did that? Kleinpecan (talk) 20:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Davischip615: Try to put Draft:name into the search bar. TigerScientist Chat 20:27, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Davischip615: Welcome to the Teahouse. Alternatively, if you at any point had pressed the Publish changes button, you can dig through your contributions to see if you can find it there. Looking at them though, it seems the only edit that has gone through was posting here at the Teahouse. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:35, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

new editor/seeking to clarify Derik Chauvin lead

I am new..I`m trying to clarify something in the Derek Chauvin article..I`m not trying to edit it I`m just trying to point out what I see as an obvious grammatical error in the first sentence which reads Derick Chauvin he is an " American former police officer " which I believe is grammatically incorrect and should read " former American police officer "... I`m not trying to prove a point or offend anyone it just appears to me to be grammatically incorrect. That being said I have no desire to edit any Wikipedia article..I`ve pointed out something that seems obvious however the editors seem to have a problem with it and as far as I can tell this is non controversial and should be viewed accordingly..is there anyway to fix this ? thanks Forrestgump420 (talk) 20:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Forrestgump420 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't see in your contribution history where you proposed such an edit on Talk:Derek Chauvin. 331dot (talk) 20:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I suppose Forrestgump420 proposed that change as an IP at Talk:Derek_Chauvin#First_Sentence_2 when he didn't have an account yet. The article's talk page is the right venue for such a discussion, but it appears there is no consensus for the proposed change.– NJD-DE (talk) 20:30, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

This is my account..I don`t generally log in as I don`t generally edit articles although I do sometimes edit talk pages..if you read the paragraph I`m talking about that is me suggesting making the change Forrestgump420 (talk) 21:37, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Forrestgump420, as I read it, your proposed edit says that Chauvin has lost his American citizenship as well as his police job. That is both incorrect and misleading, so I would oppose your change. Chauvin is still an American citizen. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:56, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Cullen. "American former police officer" suggests that he's American, and was once a police officer. "Former American police officer" suggests that he's still a police officer but has emigrated. Maproom (talk) 07:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Please read the eighth paragraph of the Wikipedia article on adjectives regarding the order of adjectives in English Adjective#Order as well as the Cambridge dictionary site https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/adjectives-order the Oxford dictionary says the same thing except for one slight variation ..the Oxford site requires a paid subscription to access but there are numerous other sites that are reliable and also say the same thing..there is a specific accepted order in English to to the placement of adjectives in sentences starting with opinion which is vague and general to specific with origin before material which proceeds the final limiter which proceeds the object (noun) in this case the word officer Forrestgump420 (talk) 22:39, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

New article questions

Hello, I just finished a draft of a new page for Jeff Wittek that currently redirects to David Dobrik. I know it takes a bit of time for a draft to be published but I want to get ahead of understanding the redirect before it gets there. Will I be responsible for submitting a request for redirect so that it stops going to David Dobrik’s page?

Additionally, the photo I used is copyrighted. I carefully read over the photo upload page and the public domain explanation and something still isn’t clicking. This person is an internet personality and many pictures are available that seem to be public domain to me because they were initially uploaded by him to public accounts like Instagram and YouTube. Are those okay? If I screenshot a still from one of his videos, is that allowed?

Here is a link to the draft if that helps.

Thanks in advance for the help. Yungli0n (talk) 22:20, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Yungli0n. You seem to have a misunderstanding of public domain and copyright. A photo that you find online is assumed to be restricted by copyright unless there is solid evidence that it is in the public domain. If the photo was published over 95 years ago, it is in the public domain. If the photo was created by an employee of the U.S. Federal government as part of their job duties, then it is in the public domain. Photos on Instagram and YouTube are restricted by copyright 99+% of the time. As for the redirect, that is easy to take care of if your draft is approved. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, "in the public domain" has, in practice, a variety of meanings. (Nothing surprising about this: it's how language tends to work.) These include meanings such as "a matter of public knowledge". You should ignore all but one of these meanings. The sole meaning that matters here is "free of copyright". And don't take that to mean either "free of any explicit claim of copyright" or "sure not to have anyone complaining if I reuse it": it's much more restrictive. To determine whether an image is in the public domain in the US, look it up in the "Hirtle chart". Now, if that looks forbiddingly complex and you really can't be bothered, I sympathize. Feel free to skip it, but then don't upload the image(s) you're wondering about. -- Hoary (talk) 23:04, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

The draft exists as a draft: Draft:Jeff Wittek. It has not been submitted for review. If submitted and accepted, it would become an article, and Jeff Wittek can be made to no longer redirect to David D. David notMD (talk) 02:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

To submit, at the top of the draft, place subst:submit inside double curly brackets {{ }}. David notMD (talk) 02:26, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

PROD

What is the definition of PROD? TTTTRZON (talk) 06:08, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@TTTTRZON: In the context of Wikipedia, it means proposed deletion, which is for articles that should be uncontroversial deleted but doesn't fit any of the criteria for speedy deletion. Anything that is likely to generate even a little opposition should instead go to a third channel, articles for deletion. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:26, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

My edits were deleted without explanation

I'm writing in regards to my edits on this page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_fashion

I recently made an edit to the page explaining how non-fungible tokens(NFTs) are an important part to digital fashion. But I recently checked and saw that it was removed without explanation. I wrote it under the "Marketing, distribution, and sales" section, and here is the paragraph I wrote along with links to the articles I referenced:

"In recent years, artists in the digital fashion realm have used a non-fungible token (NFT) to represent, protect, and monetize their designs and works. Start-up companies like DIGITALAX have helped designers more easily collaborate and create digital materials, patterns, and fashion assets across gaming and virtual reality platforms.[4] Digital marketplaces that use NFTs like DIGITALAX also allow fractional garment ownership, helping all co-creators on a piece of a digital garment earn revenue and royalties from a sale.[5]"

[4] https://cointelegraph.com/news/new-protocol-brings-nonfungible-tokens-to-the-digital-fashion-industry [5] https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/why-digital-fashion-is-the-next-frontier-of-nfts-2021-04-07

Why was my edit removed? I felt that I was being objective in my writing and only included information with reliable sources.

Thank you, Nathannghiya (talk) 22:12, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Nathannghiya Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. An explanation was provided in the edit summary, "rm crypto sites, crypto site reprints". If crypto refers to cryptocurrencies, that is a tough area to edit in. Please see WP:GS/Crypto for more information. 331dot (talk) 22:19, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Your edit was removed by user:David Gerard with the explanation "rm crypto sites, crypto site reprints" If that explanation is not adequate then you should ask that user for clarification. Meters (talk) 22:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Nathannghiya, I think your paragraph looks good, except for the two unnecessary mentions of Digitalax, which make it come across as an advertisement. Maproom (talk) 07:27, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Ask a question

 Viviana777 (talk) 18:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

No, you ask a question. max20characters 🇺🇸 19:09, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Max20characters: Teahouse is supposed to be friendly to new users. Please don't WP:BITE RudolfRed (talk) 19:23, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if they were biting them or if they were attempting to be humorous. Either way it did come off as rude. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Viviana777: Welcome to Wikipedia. The Teahouse is for new users to ask questions. If you have a question, please let us know what it is. RudolfRed (talk) 19:23, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Nah, you ask one, Max! — Pelagic ( messages ) – (18:41 Tue 04, AEST) 08:41, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Viviana777, welcome to the Teahouse where you are free to ask any questions regarding editing here. As RudolfRed stated you are free to ask us here any questions. Forgive and disregard the snarky response you got from @Max20characters. Thank you. Celestina007 (talk) 00:07, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

No personal information area for French emperors.

Hi! Although I have edited 25+ articles, I still have problem with the main template with personal information. I was reading about French Revolution recently and I noticed that kings like Louis XVI or Louis XV etc., there is not *Heading of personal information there. Since I don't know how to edit it, can someone help me with that? Rakm11 (talk) 04:46, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rakm11: I'm sorry, but I don't know which "heading" or "template" you're referring to; you might just not know what the Wikipedia jargon for it is yet. Could you find an article with this "heading" and tell me where it is? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:29, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: File:Louis xvi personal information.png (if the picture is showing error, please refer to this link- https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TU8qEbnghU7tsEvIYP6wxbDjg51ypPB1/view?usp=sharing)

Please notice that under successor, the heading should be personal information. Please help adding that :). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakm11 (talk • contribs)

There are different infoboxes with different designs. {{Infobox royalty}} does not have such a heading. Neither does the main {{Infobox person}}. Template:Infobox officeholder#Personal data says "Personal details". {{Infobox sportsperson}} does say "Personal information", but don't use a wrong infobox for a person just because you like a heading in it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:19, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rakm11: You could suggest the heading at Template talk:Infobox royalty but "personal information" like family (and just being born) is what royalty is known for so the heading may seem out of place. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:29, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

All Sandbox draft lost

All of my edits and drafts in the sandbox have been lost. How can I recover it? Shaguftansari (talk) 11:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Shaguftansari Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your contribution history has no edits(other than to here). Unless you were logged out when you edited, unfortunately your edits were not "published"(what we call saved) so they were lost. 331dot (talk) 12:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Antique firearms: ammunition type exclusion per ATF

Is your content on the subject of "Antique firearms" not misleading people and causing violations of the law? ATF.gov now excludes firearms from the antique class if they use: <ATF.gov> fixed rimfire or centerfire ammo that is readily available through commercial channels. Most ordinary people in the U.S. can have ammo shipped to their door (therefore readily available). Rifles made by Loewe use common Mauser calibers [(7x57,8x57,7.65 etc),(readily available)]. Therefore not "all" firearms made by Loewe of Berlin can be transferred or shipped in the U.S. like proper "antique firearms". The definition and examples given at ATF.gov are not ambiguous. The qualifier about ammunition type now needs to be stressed more; and the statements about Loewe rifles are not absolute in this regard (at least in the United States). LoeweCollector (talk) 13:07, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@LoeweCollector The teahouse is a place for asking questions about how to edit Wikipedia. I suggest you bring this up on the related articles talk page. Happy editing! Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 14:28, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Why New Zealand is not a federal state for no reason like Australia?

Please Explain and get your answer, please! I hope you may understand what's going on with my question. Cyberllamamusic (talk) 14:58, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

New Zealand I think this a federal country, not a unitary country, unlike Australia. I hope New Zealand will be a federal status country by the near future amen...

Hello Cyberllamamusic and welcome to the Teahouse. This space is for asking questions about how to edit Wikipedia. I suggest you ask at the reference desk. However, Australia is more than 28 times the size of New Zealand, so it makes sense. See Federation.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

How to know Revision ID?

How to know what is the revision ID of a revision? ExclusiveEditor (talk) 15:33, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi ExclusiveEditor. Click the time stamp in the page history to see it in the url. Your edit gives https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&oldid=1021411378 so the revision is Special:PermanentLink/1021411378 and the diff is Special:Diff/1021411378. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:41, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi ExclusiveEditor! You can go into the history tab of a page (titled "View history" and next to the edit button on the web, has a clock with an arrow circling it on mobile) and select the part of the history with the date; it should be to the left of the user who added it. That will give you a permanent link to the revision. You can see a string of numbers at the end of the URL, and that is the revision ID. For instance, the revision ID of your question is 1021411378. I hope this helps! :) Sennecaster (What now?) 15:43, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

edit source code list?

Would there happen to be a list of the stuff that is in the "Help" section of the edit source that provides examples of the end result? IE formatting, links, headings, lists, references, and the discussions or is this inside the manual of style? Discount Horde (talk) 13:37, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Discount Horde. How about Help:Wikitext?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:50, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

This is exactly what I looking for thank you Shantaviral. Discount Horde (talk) 16:12, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Need help with my Draft article.

Hello, I had recently created an article, but it was nominated for deletion, which resulted it to be moved to Drafts. Now the admin has told me to improve the page and submit it.

I would like some help, as in to what can be improved. I will submit it when it has been improved. I have tried getting more references, but James Colistro is very old and not much is available of him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:James_Colistro

Thank you. Ngyundynasty (talk) 04:46, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ngyundynasty: You need to look harder to find these references. IMDb is not considered a reliable source (see WP:IMDB). Ideally, we want at least one reference for every paragraph, cited to a reliable source. Also, a large portion of the prose also reads like a promotion instead of presenting information from a neutral point of view. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:37, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ngyundynasty: I did a quick Google search and found a few links about Pinwheel, but nothing that suggests Colistro meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. See WP:GNG. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:23, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Help me to pass the AFC. My page is translated from German.

Hello, admin Theroadislong has left a few comments on my draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Peter_Philippe_Weiss.

I need help in improving this article, so it gets accepted. Can I ask the German editors/admins to share their opinions?

Thanks!!! Jiskofor (talk) 04:29, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Jiskofor: I don't speak German, but I do a lot of translation from Chinese, and I can tell you that your draft needs to be written in a much more neutral tone, since right now it reads like an advertisement. It doesn't matter if the German article is written like this, since the two language Wikipedias have different policies and guidelines. As for sourcing, IMDb is unacceptable as a source (WP:IMDB). Instead, look for more reliable sources to back up your information and to show that the subject passes the notability guideline. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:48, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Jiskofor, three of the sections are unreferenced, and should be deleted if you can't find sources for them. The "Weblinks" section should be renamed to "External links". You should use English-style quotation marks "", instead of „“. Maproom (talk) 07:36, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Please note that if you translated it using a machine translation (i.e Google Translate) it will most likely not be accepted as they aren't very accurate. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:43, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

New user

im new what do i do 2601:2C4:57F:ACA9:159:3436:5708:A847 (talk) 21:05, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome! I suggest you read the WP:TUTORIAL for general guidance. If you want an idea of what exactly to edit, reply with some topics that interest you! AdmiralEek (talk) 21:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

A better alternative to that would be The Wikipedia Adventure which can help you a lot. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:49, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

help find a draft

Hi, I need help to find a draft that I was working on. I'm not certain that I saved it. Is there a place where working drafts can be found? HollyBells (talk) 13:31, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Are you talking about Draft:Wiregrass Blues Society? Kleinpecan (talk) 13:34, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

And on the principle of teach someone to fish, HollyBells, you can look at all the edits you have made. On the desktop site there is a "Contributions" link at the top right (in the default skin). I don't know if it directly available from the mobile site (it doesn't seem to be from the app) but if you go to Special:Contributions/HollyBells you will see it. --ColinFine (talk) 16:49, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Broken talk page?

Hello! So while I was adding something to the Euro Truck Sim 2 talk page I noticed that all the text after the bots message is smaller than it should be. Could someone explain what's going on as it doesn't do this on other talk pages. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:41, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

PrimeHunter has fixed the mess. Maproom (talk) 16:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, an IP edit [5] removed random content and left an unclosed <small>. I have restored the removed text. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:58, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Yep. Thank you! I had a feeling it was that IP editor that screwed everything up but I couldn't see what was wrong. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:09, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Is editing articles part of registering on Wikipedia?

I received an inbox message from Lembit Staan, stating that my edits where undone. just to make it clear I thought editing articles is part of creating an account on Wikipedia and basically my edits where only minor grammar changes. And one more thing if I want to create/share/edit articles, what is the process?

Thank You! Marumoshe (talk) 16:41, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! You came to the right place. I took a look at your edit and the other editor was right to revert it. Editing articles isn't actually part of creating an account on Wikipedia, all you have to do is create an account. If you want to create an article you would want to check out your first article for advice on how to get started. If you would like to learn how to use Wikipedia a great place to check out would be The Wikipedia Adventure. If you want to link to an article (which is what I assume you mean by share an article) all you have to do is put brackets like this: [[Example]] around the article name, if you want it to display differently then you would put the pipe symbol: | after the article name like this: [[Example|test]]. If you need any help just let us know! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

You have an account. That allows you to edit articles. I also agree that your grammatical changes made the articles worse in 7 of 8 attempts, and so were correctly reverted. I believe your efforts are in good faith rather than deliberate vandalism, but I strongly suggest you stop making grammar changes, as it appears you do not have a clear understanding of English grammar. As Blaze already answered, WP:YFA is a guide to creating articles. However, new editors are advised to become competent in editing existing articles first. David notMD (talk) 17:09, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi David! Thank you so much for your support & for making it clear. Will definitely get back to you if I need more help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marumoshe (talk • contribs) 17:31, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Awkward Situation

Hello, an unusual thing happened today. User Morneo06 warned me about a vandalism revert in the Old media page. I think it might be a mistake on their side or I might be wrong.  Necctaylor (talk) 17:59, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Necctaylor Yup, that's just a mistake--Morneo06 meant to undo the same edit you did and accidentally reverted the wrong edit. Looks like it's all been sorted on that page now though. Alyo (chat·edits) 18:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Chasa caste

Chasa caste is one of the higher caste in odissa. They are part of khandayata community. In fact they are ksatriyas. But in wiki its written as shudras. Its completely wrong. They are among panikhia jati. You can read about panikhia jati in wikipedia. They are higher class community. Shudra is lower. Chasa are cultivating ksatriyas. You can research on that by Google Chasa khandayat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panikhia_Jati Sekharblack123 (talk) 18:05, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! Currently, there are 4 inline citations for the Chasa being Shudras. I wasn't able to find a reliable source corroborating your claim that they are Ksatriyas. If you could give us a source for the claim, I would happily look at it and check. --Aknell4 (talk • contribs) 18:13, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

My wikipedia page is draft, How to move to main page

I am creat a Wikipedia page but my page in the draft. Below I mention my page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dr._Amin_Hussain_Hassan_Alamiri so please let me know how to move my draft page to the main page. Surjitpatra (talk) 18:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

You don't. You will have to get your Draft approved first before it moves into the mainspace. You could alternatively just create the page however this is not recommended. Please take a look at your first article for help with the draft. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:26, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Surjitpatra your draft will not be moved to the so-called main space (not page). Your draft lacks entirely of reliable sources and I declined it a couple of minutes ago, please take notice of the comments left on the draft. CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:28, 4 May 2021 (UTC

You have to submit your article for review. Your draft was not accepted because there are 0 sources. Like CommanderWaterford said go to your first article for help. TigerScientist Chat 18:39, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

why

what Halesbarer (talk) 20:27, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

no

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! Do you have an actual question or were you just trying to be funny? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:37, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Keyboard shortcut to add a Template

Hi. Is there a keyboard shortcut to open the Template popup in the Visual and Source editors? I have searched everywhere but couldn't find anything. Is there any user contributed script? Opening the "Insert" and clicking on the "Template" is unfortunately time consuming[ for me]. Any help appreciated! (P. S. While writing replies, please ping me using the {{Ping|DaxServer}}) :) -- DaxServer (talk) 16:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@DaxServer: as far as I know there is no keyboard shortcut for templates as there are tons of templates on Wikipedia. The best way to do something involving templates would be to copy the source code of the template you want to use and then add it to the page. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf Thanks for the info! -- DaxServer (talk) 17:15, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, DaxServer,

Short answer: type {{.

Longer answer: in addition to keyboard combinations for formatting, like Ctrl+Shft+6 for code, VE and NWE also have keyboard sequences that pop up edit cards (or panels). Generally they are based on the corresponding wikitext, such as {{ [[ <pre <ref <math. (Other sequences effect formatting without popping up an specialised box, when typed at the beginning of a line: e.g. colon-space, ===, and asterisk-space create blockquote, heading, and bullet list respectively.)

Hope that helps! Pelagic ( messages ) – (18:27 Tue 04, AEST) 08:27, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Pelagic Thank you! These are what I am looking for. Could you also tell me how put the long-minus? I have been copy pasting it from other articles. If I could not find any, I am simply using the normal minus sign. -- DaxServer (talk) 10:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@DaxServer: There is/was a whole discussion going on at the Manual of Style about whether we should use {{ndash}}, &ndash; or just "–" (and similarly for mdash). In Visual Editor (desktop not mobile), there is an Ω button to insert symbols. It’s in the toolbar to the right of the "Insert" item. [ Pelagic ( messages ) – (06:57 Wed 05, AEST) 20:57, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Does this article have problems?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuestra_Visi%C3%B3n — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsJustdancefan (talk • contribs) 20:06, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Please remember to sign on talk pages using ~~~~. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:12, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi ItsJustdancefan, welcome to the Teahouse. At first glance, one issue is that the table under "Current programming" doesn't seem to have references and could be hard to maintain. It might also fall under WP:NOTTVGUIDE, though it doesn't try to give show times, for example. Why do you ask? If you're looking for articles to improve, one great place to look is the Task Center. From your user page, I see you're particularly interested in improving articles about television so, if you haven't already looked at WikiProject Television, you might find that helpful too. › Mortee _talk 20:58, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Userbox that was previously deleted

Greetings, I am asking my first question here after 92,000 edits. There is a userbox called User:Shāntián Tàiláng/Userboxes/Atheism that was recreated after a deletion discussion. Someone previously G4'd it, but the creator made subtle adjustments and the nominator removed the tag. I nominated it because it still seemed all too similar to what was previously deleted. I was not aware of the previous G4 tagging. I am asking what to do because this seems like an incredibly ambiguous situation. For the record, I would have opposed the Mfd nomination. Thanks. Scorpions13256 (talk) 19:59, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Scorpions13256. If you think a userbox should be deleted and speedy deletion doesn't apply / has been declined, the right place to nominate it is Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. I don't have a particular view on this one, but I imagine the conversation would be based mostly on WP:UBCR and whether this is "substantially divisive" (perhaps broadening out into a discussion of what the point of userboxes is and to what degree it's reasonable to use them to express non-wiki-related viewpoints). There might be a side-thread related to the speedy deletion about whether "fears that X might have a scary effect on societies" is meaningfully different from "believes that X is harmful to society" with respect to the previous decision. It's up to you whether you think it's a discussion worth starting and engaging in.

One alternative might be to ask the admin who closed that MfD for their view about whether the new userbox falls under the existing consensus to delete. If they say it does, presumably they'll delete it. If they say it doesn't or they'd prefer there to be a new discussion, you can decide whether or not to open an MfD then. › Mortee _talk 21:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Scorpions13256: Please clarify. You say you nomiminated it for deletion but that you would have opposed the nomination for deletion? What does that mean? RudolfRed (talk) 21:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

RudolfRed good point. I meant to ask that too but got distracted while looking up guidelines and forgot to. I might be able to answer better if I understood that part properly. › Mortee _talk 21:19, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry. It means that I disagreed with the result of the Mfd, but I tagged it because consensus called for it to be deleted. Scorpions13256 (talk) 21:21, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

In addition, I thought that consulting the deleting administrator would also be a good option, but I thought asking here would be good too. Scorpions13256 (talk) 21:23, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Scorpions13256: Ah, I see. I don't think you have any obligation to put work into getting something deleted, even if it would be deleted were someone to nominate it. You can decide where to spend your time and effort based on your own priorities. If in a particular case you didn't think something should be deleted but consensus disagreed with you, you're allowed to go on with your day and edit something else rather than making sure the decision is applied thoroughly. › Mortee _talk 21:29, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

About the specific nationality of British people

Is it possible to change the demonym for a person/music band from "British" to "English"/"Cornish"/"Scottish"/"Welsh", depending on where said person was born and raised/where said band was first formed? Nu-Protocole (talk) 17:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nu-Protocole, and welcome to the Teahouse. This question has often been discussed at length in particular cases, but I can't find a general discussion other than note a to MOS:ETHNICITY, which says There is no preference between describing a person as British rather than as English, Scottish, or Welsh. Decisions on which label to use should be determined through discussions and consensus. The label must not be changed arbitrarily. To come to a consensus, editors should consider how reliable sources refer to the subject, particularly UK reliable sources, and consider whether the subject has a preference on which nationality they identify by. So don't change it without discussing on the talk page of the relevant article first. --ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

There is also an essay at WP:UKNATIONALS – note particularly the section in WP:UKCHANGE which states Re-labelling nationalities on grounds of consistency—making every UK citizen "British", or converting each of those labelled "British" into their constituent nationalities—is strongly discouraged. Richard3120 (talk) 19:16, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

There could be good reasons to do this sometimes. For example, folk bands from the different nations of the UK might have quite different styles and concerns. Nu-Protocole, did you have an article in mind or was this a general question? › Mortee _talk 21:24, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Mortee: no, they've just been unilaterally changing numerous articles over the last few days from "British" to "English" or whatever the relevant nationality is. Richard3120 (talk) 21:42, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Richard3120: Ah. In that case I agree with your earlier answer. Making changes like that in bulk is not a good idea. › Mortee _talk 21:49, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

How to cite the authors of an interview

I wanted to cite this article, which lists reporter Krystian Brodacki as its author, but the article, which is an interview with Zdzisław Król, consists almost entirely of Król's words, with the exception of the two short introductory paragraphs. When citing a source like this, should I give the reporter, or the subject of the interview, or both as authors? 73.195.249.93 (talk) 22:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP, you might be interested in the {{Cite interview}} citation template, in which |last= and |first= are used for the interview subject, and |interviewer= is used for the reporter. A word of caution, however, that people can say whatever they like in interviews, and so it's important to keep in mind that an interview is generally reliable for the fact that the interviewee said something, but what they said may not necessarily be accurate or encyclopedic. DanCherek (talk) 22:26, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Delete A Page

Hello,

I want to nominate a page for deletion. I don't think it meets the notability criteria. How do I do this? KingofAlice (talk) 22:40, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, KingofAlice. There are three article deletion processes, depending on the circumstances. Start by reading Wikipedia:Deletion policy. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:46, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the help, although I think that's a lot for me to understand. I want to nominate this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_Windows_and_Doors

The references #15 - #14 - #13 - #11 - #10 - #9 - #8 - #5 - #4 don't make sense. They are either not working or lead to a non-related page. What's the code for putting a nomination due to the lack of notability?

The article was nominated for deletion many years ago and the result was keep. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic Windows and Doors doktorb _words^deeds 23:06, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh wow! Thanks! But I noticed this: To be pedantic, then, the article should be something like the Bankruptcy of Republic Windows and Doors since that is the notable thing - not the company but the interactions and ramifications of the end of the company. For much the same reason, we have an article on the Grunwick dispute but not on Grunwick the company. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, most of the references are not working anymore. How is the company itself notable? doktorb

If a link no longer works, the first thing one should do is attempt to find the intended page via the Wayback Machine, and, if it's there, replace the dead link with a link to a usable Wayback scrape. If the wanted page can't be found there, it may still exist with a different URL. Anybody wanting to move the article to Bankruptcy of Republic Windows and Doors should, I think, first suggest this at Talk:Republic Windows and Doors, and only if there's agreement go on to move it. Anyone wanting to have the article deleted should start as Cullen328 suggests above: read and digest Wikipedia:Deletion policy. -- Hoary (talk) 23:42, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

KingofAlice The references have been fixed.--Pibal373 (talk) 00:03, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

New biographical article – diacritics, Wikidata, Google

I have just created my first article on (en) Wikipedia. It is a bio on a deceased architect. I have a couple of questions:

1. How do I make sure that the Wikidata references are correct? It so happens that another article about the same person exists on (de) Wikipedia. This older article spells the name of the article subject without a diacritic, while my new entry on (en) Wikipedia spells the name with the diacritic. This means that there are now two different Wikidata IDs, whereas they actually refer to the same person. This seems less than ideal – can I rectify this myself, and if so how?
2. How long does it normally take for a Wikipedia article to get indexed by Google, Bing etc.? Ingwe Ndlovu (talk) 10:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

1. Wikidata has a "Merge" function, and I've done that for you.

2. A new article is NOINDEXed until it has been reviewed through the new pages patrol process (or 90 days have elapsed). After that it's up to Google as to how quickly they index it. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:11, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @David Biddulph: – re the indexing, I thought that that process had already happened, since the Page Information shows "Indexing by robots Allowed". I guess that is something else? Ingwe Ndlovu (talk) 11:26, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree that the wording to which you refer is confusing, but the page's source code includes "<meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow"/>". Perhaps the wording you saw is saying merely that the __NOINDEX__ magic word has not been separately applied? If it isn't reviewed within 90 days, the NOINDEXing is automatically removed. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:29, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Ingwe Ndlovu You by-passed the Articles for Creation (AfC) draft and review process to create Alexander Cvijanović in main space. Factual sentences, and in some instances entire sections, are without references. Some of the refs are only mention-his-name-in-passing, two are World-Cat, two of them are to science journal articles (!?!?!?!), and the last one does not work at all. Please continue to improve the article. It is very possible that a new pages patroller, rather than index this, will draftify it. David notMD (talk) 12:57, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks David notMD – a number of my citations had become garbled and one is currently not working; I have fixed this and added more citations. Ingwe Ndlovu (talk) 17:42, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Which refs do you identify as being about Alexander at some length. I ask because a few appear to mention him by name, but little detail. David notMD (talk) 01:20, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Review for my Article Maceo Frost

Hello Wikipedians, So this time I am here to know that is there anything lacking in my article Draft:Maceo Frost? I would like to have your suggestions on how to improve my article so that it gets into the main article space. Thanks in advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 01:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 01:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

"where he was less noted": Than whom, or than when? "He then came up with his Documentary film": What does "came up with" mean here? "He also worked with some Musical videos": What does "worked with" mean here; and by "musical video" do you mean what's normally called "music video"? If he has produced, done the cinematography for, directed or appeared in nine "Films(Documentaries)", then what did he do for or in them, what sources can you provide for them, and what order are they listed in? Your capitalization is idiosyncratic: "Documentary", but "african" (normally "documentary" but "African"). You've got an inline external link (for "Failing to meditate"): that's a no-no. If his work has been shown in international festivals, then what was the reaction to it? -- Hoary (talk) 02:03, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

live editing

I just wanted to correct time line some dates of my history all verifiable. Thank You Sean Lomax WHISTLER2021 (talk) 01:18, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Which article is it? Please let us know here.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:44, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Sean Lomax. David notMD (talk) 01:46, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

If you are the subject of the article, you are allowed to make edit requests on the article's talk page. You are required to cite a reliable source so it may be verified. Personal knowledge is not sufficient for verification.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:20, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

WHISTLER2021, thank you for not editing the article directly. The best place to suggest changes is Talk:Sean Lomax. Please point to published accounts, so that editors can verify any suggestion. -- Hoary (talk) 02:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Provinces of China Table

Hi! I'm a new editor, and I have a question. For the Provinces of China there is a table below the large picture of provinces that cannot be edited. Why is this so, how can I edit it, and does this come up in other articles? 24Anonymous (talk) 01:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@24Anonymous: The big table underneath the section Provinces_of_China#List_of_province-level_divisions is different because it's created with the template {{tent division chn 1}}, which cannot be edited with VisualEditor. You'll have to go into source editing for that. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 02:20, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Review was very fast but Re-review seems stalled

I submitted an article back in December. The initial review was completed within a few hours and the article was rejected as being 'not encyclopedic'. This doesn't make sense since the event spanned nearly ten years and was covered extensively by many noteworthy sources (AP, UPI, NYT, Chicago Tribune, etc). I replied to the reviewer asking for clarification but never got a response.

I continued to improve the article and resubmitted it but there's been no further activity in almost five months. Is there anything further I can do or is it just a matter of waiting?

Draft is at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Pesky_Pants

Thanks. Sliptonic (talk) 02:09, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sliptonic: I actually agree with Tagishsimon's judgement on this one. News coverage only means that a subject is presumed to be notable, but doesn't guarantee that an article is warranted (read the last point at WP:GNG). As per WP:NEVENT, we need some lasting significance after the event has ended to show that the subject is of encyclopedic value, and in this case, I don't really think that value is present here. For a similar case, read the closing statement for the AfD on Josh fight. Instead, consider adding a paragraph about this to Practical joke#Famous examples. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 02:26, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. Reported about, but not encyclopedic. David notMD (talk) 02:27, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Just a lengthy, expensive and insignificant practical joke of ongoing interest to only two people. Editorial judgment is sometimes in short supply, but here's an example where "not encyclopedic" seems to be the wise conclusion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. This article draft was prompted by continuing (recent) inquiries from other media sites like 'Futility Closet' and 'Today I learned' doing retrospective coverage of the story. There still seems to be interest but I understand the points you raise. Likewise, the List of practical joke topics contains many items that seem similarly trivial. e.g Black fax, Phoenix Five (prank), Henryk Batuta hoax. When does ongoing current interest warrant a stand-alone article? Sliptonic (talk) 03:33, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sliptonic: It's not really about how "current" the "interest" is. Instead, events should have a more meaningful impact than just "huh, that's funny". Newspapers will often report on trivial things like "man saves cat from river", but that doesn't make it Wikipedia-worthy. The line between trivial and encyclopedic is often abstract and blurry, which is why these decisions come down to the consensus of multiple editors. For your three other articles, see WP:OTHERSTUFF; the channel to decide if these subjects are article-worthy is individually at WP:AFD, but I suggest getting more Wikipedia experience first before heading there (FYI: I'd !vote keep on all three). ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 02:32, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Need to Update our Wikipedia business page

Hi, we are SPC Australia, formely SPC Ardmona and need to edit and update our page. How can we do that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPC_Ardmona 49.255.41.166 (talk) 03:18, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP 49.255.41.166. The first thing you should try and understand, and then explain to your colleagues is that your company doesn’t have a Wikipedia business page; in fact, no company has a Wikipedia business page. What does exist is a WIkipedia:Article written about your company, but your company doesn’t have any claim of ownership or final editorial control over what’s written in the article which means that any changes made to it are going to need to satisfy relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Since you’ve stated you’re connected to the company, please carefully read through WP:COI and WP:PAID for reference, but basically you’re going to be expected to propose the changes you want made on the article’s talk page and let them be assessed for appropriateness by other editors. — Marchjuly (talk) 04:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Past Disruptions

My interest in "post-1932" politics of the United States is limited to how you evil people destroyed an African Country - Libya. Meaning I have no interest in your disgusting political leaders at all - they all make me vomit.

Yet the following appears on my talk page:

"You have shown interest in post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect."

Where in the name of all that is holy did I "show interest in post-1932 politics of the United Shithole"?? Rian Geldenhuys (talk) 04:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

You misquote. Not "Shithole", but "States". And I can't speak in the name of anything that's holy. Your edits to articles related to the post-1932 (and more or less insane) politics of the US is evident from your list of contributions. -- Hoary (talk) 04:44, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Rian Geldenhuys, the highly emotional comment that you just made is irrefutable evidence that you needed to be alerted to discretionary sanctions in this topic area. Since your feelings are so strong and vigorous, you would be well advised to either avoid editing about contemporary U.S. politics, or to edit with extreme caution going forward. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:46, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Your most recent contributions before posting here at the Teahouse, were to edit Patriot Prayer last September, which is about U.S. politics. What is the truth? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

shifting POV on Shia Islam in the UAE

I am wondering what to think about this change to "Shia Islam in the United Arab Emirates".

According to what the article said before this change, it seems that things were mostly hunky-dory for Shia Muslims, but after the edits, the Shias are not being treated so nicely. Those claims are sourced to a 2011 State Department report, though a casual perusal of more recent versions of the State Department report would seem to support the same claims.

Several months ago, the Wikipedia article was edited to state essentially the opposite, that things are not really hunky-dory for Shia Muslims.

I understand that the facts are not all black and white, but what are we to make of the absence of any apparent controversy about this change in POV? That it's possible, under the right circumstances, to switch the POV and not hear a peep about it? And if that's the case, what do we take from that about how reliable WP really is? Fabrickator (talk) 07:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

The edit to which you refer seems to be removing sourced text, replacing it by unsourced, and changing a number to a new value which conflicts with the cited source. It appears therefore that the change ought to be reverted in toto. The place to discuss an article is on its talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:05, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I see that another editor has now reverted the changes in question, & reinstated subsequent edits. Thank you for pointing it out. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Fabrickator and David Biddulph: ...and done. Whew. Thanks for bring it to our attention. As for your last question: there's a reason why teachers tell their students to not use Wikipedia, because occasionally changes like these happen and go uncaught for, in our case, 5+ months. Wikipedia's run by volunteers, and we do try our best, but some things slip through the cracks. Take that as you will, I guess. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:09, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft by 159.196.151.195

why did my page die 159.196.151.195 (talk) 07:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC) mmmmmmm

If you mean Draft:DEAN VALTAS, you'll see an explanation at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:DEAN VALTAS, and it may by now have been speedily deleted. Perhaps you don't understand the purpose of an encyclopedia? --David Biddulph (talk) 07:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Not deleted yet, but will be shortly. What you wrote in no way gets close to what a Wikipedia article needs to be. It has no facts and no references. Yes, attempts at autobiography are allowed (per your comment on the Talk page of the draft), but those have to meet same standards as all articles. David notMD (talk) 11:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Creation of a page

I have been asked to create a Wikipedia page for a Business and I was wondering if I can create the page currently or do I have to be verified/authenticated in some way? Paddym77 (talk) 10:17, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, you need to state you're affiliated with the organisation. For starting a Wikipedia page, you can simply create a draft, and then you need to submit it to create an article. Ahmetlii (talk) 10:30, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Paddym77: Please be advised that creating a new article (not just "page") is one of the hardest tasks on wikipedia, and that there are good reasons why an entity might not want a Wikipedia article. I see That you have declared your WP:PAID status on your userpage. The next step would therfore be to gather sources for what you find. Wikipedia prefers reliable, independent sources with some coverage. If you cannot find at least three or four, you should stop there. Otherwise, you can move on to create a draft. You can use the input box below to have the software automatically fill in a few things for you:

Last but not least, be advised that promotionalism of any kind is forbidden on Wikipedia. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch and specificially its Words that may introduce bias section may be of interest. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

In theory, once you have been an editor for four days and have made ten edits, you can create an article directly into mainspace without the AfC review process, but all new editors, especially paid editors, are advised to go through AfC. A reviewer then accepts or declines the draft. If the latter, with comments on shortfalls. Then, you can work on improving the draft. If you skip AfC and the article is seen as promotional/advertising, it could be subjected to a Speedy deletion or nominated for deletion at Articles for Deletion. Consider modeling your draft on existing articles about similar businesses, but be aware of WP:Other stuff exists. David notMD (talk) 11:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I want to publish my company page cause I own a company

I want to publish my company page cause I own a company 1samirpatel1000 (talk) 11:06, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

1samirpatel1000 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not have "company pages", not one. Wikipedia has articles about companies; those articles are typically written by independent editors and summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Wikipedia has no interest in what a company wants to say about itself, as Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves. That's what social media and company websites are for. Wikipedia has no interest in the internet presence of your company or in enhancing search results for it. 331dot (talk) 11:11, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

If you own the company you need to read about conflict of interest and about paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:49, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

delete my ip

can you delete my ip from here

https://lt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=(Redacted)&action=history Special:Contributions/ ([[User talk:|talk]]) 12:49, 5 May 2021 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kietas420 (talk • contribs)  

No. Only an Oversighter can do that. Another host can you tell you more about that as I don't have enough knowledge in that area. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 12:58, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, remember to sign your signature with ~~~~. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 12:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

If you are talking about edits at the Lithuanian Wikipedia you need to raise them there. This Teahouse is for advice concerning the English Wikipedia. [And I reverted your blanking of this page here.] --David Biddulph (talk) 13:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft of existing article/stub to main page

Hello everyone! I had a look of the "Filipinos in Austria" page and was surprised to see it being only a stub article. That´s why I decided to create a Wikipedia account and expand it with all the info I have on this subject. I already submitted my draft, however, it got (understandably) declined as the page already exists. So, my questions are:

1. If I understood correctly, I need to edit the article itself, then publish it, and then it´s getting reviewed - am I right with this assuption?
2. I would love to add pictures from news websites and other web pages to make the page a bit more lively and pleasant to look at - Must I only post photos I took myself or is there anyway I can use photos I didn´t took by giving credit to whoever took them?

I am excited to be a part of it all and look forward to reading your answers :) Fil-Aut Guy (talk) 12:05, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Fil-Aut Guy: and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you need to edit the article itself however before you add the content of your draft to the article I suggest you do a bit more work on it. Namely, the content you add should be cited and shouldn't contain original research, I am saying this because Culture section in your draft is largely unsourced. See WP:CITE and WP:NOR for more details on this.
Regarding the images they should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and you can only upload images you took yourself and those that are in the public domain. Best regards, OakMapping (talk) 12:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Further to OakMapping's reply, Fil-Aut Guy, note that for this purpose, "public domain" means something much more specific than "publicly available". most pictures you find on the internet or in newspapers may not be used, unless they are old (at least a century or so). See Image use policy. --ColinFine (talk) 13:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

A clarification - when editing an existing article, and then clicking on Publish changes, your changes are automatically and immediately made (do remember to write a concise Edit summary). No review process. HOWEVER, if an editor disagrees with what you added (or subtracted), they can revert your changes. If that happens, advice is to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article in question. David notMD (talk) 15:55, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey @Fil-Aut Guy:, welcome! I'm so glad you've registered an account and are interested in actively editing Wikipedia now! One thing that has been mentioned, but needs to be emphasized is that Wikipedia's editing policy is Anyone can edit!. There is no barrier to entry, no need to even register a username (though there are benefits to doing so). If you see an article that needs fixing, or correcting, or expanding, you're expected to just go right ahead and fix it. There is no mandatory review policy, there is no need to get others to approve your work first, people are supposed to assume you are trying to help and let you do so. Now, sometimes your fixes will need further fixes, so you can expect other people to come in and correct your errors. This can even include removing everything you did; don't panic about this, sometimes you've tried your best but it still has problems. That's OK. This is a normal part of the editing process as everyone pitches in and continuously improves and fixes Wikipedia articles. If someone has come in after you and fixed a mistake you made, or completely undone what you thought was good work, don't panic! Just ask them why they did what they did, and see if they can explain it to you. If you can learn what went wrong, you'll just be better next time! If you disagree with that person, then you can always ask other, uninvolved editors, to look the situation over and give their input as well. It's a very collaborative process. I hope this explanation helped you understand a little more how Wikipedia works. I hope you decided to stick around a while and bring your interests, skills, and passions to Wikipedia. We can always use the extra help! --Jayron32 16:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

How to put a sandbox article online.

 Courtesy link: User:JulianMeijer1986/sandbox/Jan Meyer

Sandbox Article

Hello everyone, I have just created my first wikipedia article, but it is still in my sandbox, I would like to know how to put this article online, and especially if the name of my user will disappear from the title when I' ll put it online. Thanks JulianMeijer1986 (talk) 15:47, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

JulianMeijer1986 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft. If the draft is accepted, the reviewer will place it at the proper title. In the future you may create and submit drafts using Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 15:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Your Draft doesn't seem to have any sources. Everything on wikipedia needs to be able to be proven. TigerScientist Chat 16:29, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi JulianMeijer1986. This was a copyright violation in two different ways: 1) copying the existing writing of external sources, and 2) not providing copyright attribution to the Wikipedia authors of the French article. I have left a note about this at your talk page. Regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:13, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, I don't understand why the biography was removed , because we didn't give any specific point of view, or any promotion, these a verified fact. Of course if necessary we can change the writing so that it corresponds to the guidelines of wikipedia, indeed I realized this page with the son of Jan Meyer himself who has the necessary sources to ensure the neutrality and the veracity of the facts.

Confused about copyright of images

If I take values of data from the plot shown in http://www.astrosurf.com/luxorion/Sciences/sn1987a-neutrinos-dwg.gif and plot these values myself, would it be considered a copyright violation? Astroriya (talk) 14:29, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Astroriya: Wikipedia has a noticeboard called Wikipedia:Media copyright questions which is designed to handle questions exactly like this. If you asked your question there, you may get a better response than here. There's a long-time Wikipedia user named @Moonriddengirl: who has worked in the field of copyright here at Wikipedia for a long time; it looks like they haven't been active since March of this year, so I don't know whether or not they will respond to questions or queries directly; if there was one person who would have the ability to answer definitively I would ask them. So, if I were you I would first ask at the MCQ noticeboard, and if that doesn't get you a satisfactory answer, maybe try Moonriddengirl and ask on their usertalk page and see if they are still checking in to Wikipedia occasionally. --Jayron32 14:34, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Astroriya: Hi. Data, numbers and stats are facts, which are not eligible for copyright protection. Plotting a graph using the data is not a derivative work. Copyrighting data and stats would kill all news, journalism and encyclopædia projects. I would go on to say, as long as the charts lack creative element, they aren't copyright eligible too; though the consensus might differ on that. (In this example, I find it non-copyright eligible as it lacks any creative input.) To be on the safer side, use the data set to generate a chart of your own. But please be aware, plotting data from a data set is better than guessing the number looking at this stat -- we have no idea if they really did it accurately, or blundered, or rounded up or down, or what was the precision. Since it is likely the file will be uploaded on Commons, it would be better suited to ask this on Commons, but this is going to be the reply you are likely to get.
acagastya 17:58, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Chat help option

How do I find the live chat page to ask questions and discuss? HollyBells (talk) 16:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:IRC help disclaimer AdmiralEek (talk) 16:38, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@HollyBells: Welcome to Wikipedia. See this page: Wikipedia:IRC/wikipedia-en-help RudolfRed (talk) 16:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

You don't have to go to the live chat depending on the question. You can ask it here. If you prefer live chat though then follow the links above. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Source to add to 100 Greatest African Americans

I found a source to add to this topic-- Booklist. 2/15/2003, Vol. 99 Issue 12, p1097. 1p. But I can't add it because it's protected. It's a very short article. Here are some quotes I thought would be useful: The author "makes it very clear that he left out numerous current popular people because he feels the hype around the pop persona is not what makes an individual important." "Each portrait covers two to four pages that summarize the person’s life, work, and importance and is accompanied by a black-and-white photograph or illustration." Susanzwitter (talk) 18:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

You can make the request on the article's talk page. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:32, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Susanzwitter: The 100 Greatest African Americans article is semi-protected, but you should be able to edit it because you have at least ten edits and have been registered for at least four days. Are you still unable to edit it and if so, what kind of error message are you getting? DanCherek (talk) 18:38, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Dan--I was having trouble finding why I couldn't use the Visual Editor and getting mixed up--then I realized it was a preference in my account. Somehow that confused the actual editing process. Changed preference, visual-edited it, and the change went through. I appreciate your and Wolf's support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Susanzwitter (talk • contribs) 19:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Awesome — glad it's figured out. Happy editing! DanCherek (talk) 19:45, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Elric books

I edited the Elric post. Added facts. I am the author of the Elric books. But this is wasting time for me. I simply added a correcton. You do a great job with Wiki but this is the first time you've put me through this and I hate form questions.23.119.27.119 (talk) 19:22, 4 May 2021 (UTC).

Oh, Lord, this is so irritatng. I'm the author of the Elric books and made a minor factual change as far as I recall. Never again! This isn't the first time I've corrected simple factual errors (usually about books or writers I know) only for it to become a waste of everyone's time. 23.119.27.119 (talk) 19:22, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia requires content to be verifiable, which is done by citing reliable sources. Even if the changes are true, they won't be accepted unless they can be attributed to something other than "I was there". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:28, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

If you are the author of the books as you say then please take a look at WP:COI. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:35, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Stating that your books "have influenced every aspect of modern fantasy" is rather more than a minor factual change. It is a very bold claim which at the very least needs an independent citation.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:51, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Michael. I'm afraid that for those who don't know how Wikipedia works, anyone attempting to make changes about something they're closely connected with can be rather soul-sapping. It is therefore best to go to the 'Talk Page' tab' and either simply post your suggested changes there, and let an experienced editor decide how to handle it, or make a formal WP:EDITREQUEST. If you follow that link, it explains how you can make a request which will certainly draw the attention of other editors. We don't let people simply add things they know - everything has to be 'verifiable' by someone on the other side of the world, using only online or properly published sources in a library, bookshop or journal. The word of a connected person is, quite simply, rejected as not being provable. Only by strictly enforcing that rule can we hope to keep our 6.2million encyclopaedic articles from descending into chaos. As an aside, I really used to love reading your Elric stories when I was younger. Whilst I was never madly keen on your writing style, per se, the brilliantly imaginative stories of Elric and his soul-drinking sword kept me intrigued and always longing for more. Influential, they most certainly were, but my word doesn't count either - we need reliable, third party sources to say that before we can add it. Honoured to have you here, and best wishes from the English Midlands, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:27, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mike: this shouldn't be too difficult to resolve! As my Wikipedia colleagues have explained above, we can't have you yourself saying in our article about you how influential your books have been, because this would be a "Conflict of Interest." Nor can we have, say, me saying it, even though I've been reading your and many others' SFF books for some fifty years and know it to be true, because I'm not a recognised authority (well, not outside of the South Hants Science Fiction Group, anyway) and haven't had such a statement published by a pukka publisher.

However, as we both well know, there is a considerable body of respectable critical writing about you and your works. All we need to do is find a statement to that effect in a published work of literary criticism (either a book or a journal such as Foundation ) by someone like John Clute, or Brian Aldiss, or Roz Kaveney, or — you get the idea. Such a publication would be a Reliable Source, and we can quote or paraphrase the statement and cite it to that source (which, of course, doesn't have to be online, we just need the usual bibliographical details). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.135.95 (talk) 21:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

How can I attach a document (not already on the web) to a wikipedia page?

I am new to wikipedia editing. My question is: how can I attach a document (say, a pdf file), which is on my computer but not already on the web, to a wikipedia page? In this case, the wikipedia page is about myself, and I would like to attach (1) a short CV, and (2) a list of my publications. I guess that these files should go into the references, but I have not entered any reference as yet (I am really new to the task). Ocean Louis (talk) 16:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

1) you can't unless they're either online, or on Wikipedia's servers. 2) I strongly disrecommend trying to write a Wikipedia article about yourself. DS (talk) 17:09, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

The issue here is that there is an article about you: Louis Legendre (oceanographer) which lacks references. Given that you have what Wikipedia considers a conflict of interest (you appear to be the subject of the article (be aware that you - Ocean Louis - have not proven to Wikipedia that this is true)), then you are limited to going to the Talk page of the article and proposing changes. A non-connected editor will decide to implement those changes or not. I took the liberty of adding content, taken from the one valid ref, but leave it to you to find and propose additional references. David notMD (talk) 18:15, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I am totally new to Wikipedia editing, and did not realized that I could not correct directly information about myself. I am tying to go through the Talkpage, but my first requests for changes were rejected becauuse I do nt know how to proceed. I will continue to try because it is not good to have on a Wikipedia page outdated information about someone (myself in this case). Thanks again.

Bear in mind that sourcing requirements for biographical content that could potentially be challenged is stricter than normal; a cirriculum vitae and bibliography aren't going to help on that front and in fact the former would require additional third-party sources. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 21:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft has been resubmitted and is currently awaiting re-review

I have resubmitted a draft and is currently awaiting re-review, but not sure if I resubmitted correctly. Please see link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Joey_Auch

I replied to comment below and not sure if it's formatted correctly.

Comment: Much seems to ride on the one event - Gimme Me Back That Filet-O-Fish - which sounds more WP:BLP1E than WP:N Tagishsimon (talk) 21:04, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Added 3 additional events that fall under 'criteria for musicians'. #152 Single on the National CMJ Radio 200. Produced Rachel Platten right before her national #1 song “Fight Song” & also produced notable musicians Erin Bowman and Decora. Won The Great American Song Contest in 2006. "Leaving Carolina" And won ‘Pop/Top 40 Outstanding Achievement in Songwriting with Nick Deutsch for “Meteor” in The 2014 Great American Song Contest. JCashmanIII (talk) 02:17, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your help JcashmanIII (talk) 18:53, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@JcashmanIII I can confirm you that your draft is waiting for review, please be patient, we have more than 5,000 drafts currently waiting for a review. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

How do I get a Bio page started/should I, or request it?

Having trouble figuring out how I add a new Biography Page Hi! I have never edited or contributed before, and honestly I know nothing about coding, so the how-to articles are really hard for me to follow on here. So I'm asking for help. My husband's publicist has requested that I start a Bio page for him on here. He is currently a solo touring and performing musician, and has been a session player and hired-gun for 30+ years. There's a bunch of stuff on google about him, including a "public person" page on google. But he also founded several major telecom corporations, and invented the credit card machine, and made the first video call over the internet ever. So I'm confused about where to submit his bio, number one, because those two industries are so disparate. And number two, I'm not fully clear on whether I (being his wife) am qualified to be writing this.. Any help is greatly appreciated! And if at all possible, maybe an experienced editor could create the bio and I can provide any information, including valid source material and references, that they would want from me that is not already in the public domain. Thank you for any help you can give! CassidyRoseL-C (talk) 22:28, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey, CassidyRoseL-C, and welcome to Wikipedia! Due to your relationship, you have a conflict of interest and should not be the one to create the article. There are a few options here, though. First of all, I would personally be happy to help create this article – just leave a message on my talk page if you're interested in that route. Alternatively, you can request that someone else write an article at WP:RA or start a draft yourself through the article wizard. Let me know if you have any questions! (please use {{reply to|Bsoyka}} on reply) Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 22:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for asking. It seems that you have a better understanding of Wikipedia than the publicist does. (Wikipedia is not a PR outlet.) WP:RA is a waste of time; but if Bsoyka is offering to help create the article, that's good (and most surprising). Perhaps read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide as a gentle introduction to the matter of conflict of interest, and only after doing so proceed to WP:COI. -- Hoary (talk) 23:03, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

How do I engage in the community to question an accuracy in an existing wikipedia article?

Hello, im glad this forum exists because i want to contribute as an editor but I am frankly a bit lost.

I spotted what I deemed was a non-neutral point of view, in the article "Revolutions of 1917–1923"; it seems to me one sentence of it is too misleading and thought being somehwat true doesnt reflect the facts accurately, or in a balanced way. How do I go about changing this? How do I engage in the commnunity to point this out, or to change it? Thanks in advance for any tips. Zombination (talk) 22:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Zombination. Please explain your concerns in detail at Talk:Revolutions of 1917–1923. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

In theory, starting a new section (top menu) on the Talk page is a way to engage other editors who have taken an interest in an article, but in this particular case there are very, very few visitors to the Talk page. A more direct may would be to change the sentence. BUT, you should first check if the reference cited for the text supports the text as written. David notMD (talk) 01:57, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

A complaint about an editor deleting a legitimate entry I made in the Wikipedia section on Jackson Guitars

 101.180.130.78 (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

If you're referring to this edit (the only recent edit to the Jackson Guitars article), it was likely removed because the addition, Anton Cleary, does not have a Wikipedia article and is not associated with any group that has a Wikipedia article, and the reference "Google Musical Artist" is inadequate — see Wikipedia:Reliable sources. DanCherek (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@IP editor: On and off since 2019, User:Anton Cleary has occasionally tried to add themselves to the list of musicians at Jackson Guitars and one or two other pages. Sadly, they've failed to appreciate the point made above - that names of people in what we call 'List Articles' must already either have a Wikipedia article about them (i.e. be 'Notable'), or provide sufficiently good quality, reliable, independent sources as a reference that it would be pretty obvious they ought to have an article about them. That is both explained at this explanation about adding people to List articles, but also at WP:NMUSIC which is our notability criteria for musicians. Without one of those two being met, their (your?) edits will always be removed. I note that they/you have put their name forward at Requested Articles. It would have helped had they also provided some good links to Reliable Sources independent of the musician which showed how they meet WP:NMUSIC. If someone is truly notable, in due course someone will indeed want to create an article about that person. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:08, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

My response to editor Nick Moyes' response to my earlier complaint "A complaint about an editor deleting a legitimate entry I made in the Wikipedia section on Jackson guitars".

It is clear from Wikipedia editor Nick Moyes' response that as part of his research into my legitimate claim to be included on the list of notable users of Jackson guitars, he has not taken the time to do a Google search of me i.e Anton Cleary Musical Artist, because he has apparently assumed that this is just another illegitimate attempt by somebody to get on the list. If he had taken the time to do the Google search, he would clearly see that I clearly meet criterion one of the Wikipedia music notability criteria which is headed "Criteria for Musicians and ensembles" on the Wikipedia page "Wikipedia: Notability (music). His failure to do his research has created a lot of unnecessary follow up work for me regarding this matter. I request once again that my legitimate entry be reinstated because I clearly meet criterion one of the Wikipedia music notability criteria. If Nick Moyes again refuses to do this, I request that another Wikipedia editor look into this matter. Thanks very much. Anton Cleary,solo guitarist/street performer Warrnambool Australia. Anton Cleary (talk) 22:59, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

One fundamental aspect of Wikipedia is that it is not for promotion.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I'm yet another Wikipedia editor. Perhaps there could be an article about you: I'm not going to investigate this. However unjust it may seem (or even be), there is no article about you. Therefore your name won't be added to any list of notable whatever. Non-appearance in a list of notable examples doesn't imply lack of notability. (I suggest that you do not post a follow-up message on this; but if you want to do so, then do so within this section, not in a new section.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:49, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

That list is unreferenced and the entire list should be removed until it can be referenced properly. The one thing that is sure is that you will not be added to the list, Anton Cleary, unless and until there is a Wikipedia biography of you. Nick Moyes has done nothing wrong but you have a conflict of interest. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:59, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Anton Cleary. For what it's worth, it's not the responsibility of Nick or any other editor to do any "research" on your behalf, but rather it's your responsibility to establish that adding your name to any Wikipedia article is simply not just a case of someone try to self-promote through namechecking. Generally, in cases like this, the best thing is often to simply create an article first if you truly believe the individual in question is Wikipedia notable for a Wikipedia article to be written about them. Although Wikipedia does highly discourage people from creating articles about themselves per Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, you can try first creating a draft and then submitting it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review if you want to do so yourself. On the other hand, it might be better to wait and see if someone responds to your request at Wikipedia:Requested articles/music#Instrumentalists, but you'll have a better chance of that succeeding if you can provide links to some examples of significant coverage in reliable sources (as defined by Wikipedia) as part of your request. Simply stating that you're a solo guitarist/street performer. Released 7 instrumental albums. Radio DJ. might be true, but it needs to be verifiable for Wikipedia's purposes. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Anton Cleary: you rather rudely said about me in my response to you, above: "His failure to do his research has created a lot of unnecessary follow up work for me regarding this matter." Responding as politely as I am able, I'm afraid that's inevitably work for you to do, not me. I'm simply not interested in you or your style of 'music'. That said, I did actually take a very quick look for you on Google yesterday and, whilst it's irrelevant to my reply, you didn't strike me as immediately and obviously notable (by Wikipedia's standards, that is - not your fans in Warrnambool), nor was their any linkage with you and that particular model of guitar at all. So if you were to hope for someone to create an article about you, it would be for them to find sources that demonstrate how you meet criterion 1 of WP:MUSICBIO, and to ignore interviews, promotional guff and self-written stuff, as listed in the bullet-pointed 'exceptions'. We get many people who want to have an article about themselves on Wikipedia, and you strike me as no different to many of them. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:06, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: This user has now been indefinitely blocked for Promotional Editing by an uninvolved administrator. Nick Moyes (talk) 04:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Olympics.com resubmission

I've corrected the reference to the independent one and consider resubmitting the draft. Should I do that or there's still something that must be improved first? Thanks in advance! VLaiquendi (talk) 21:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey, VLaiquendi! This is just my opinion, but perhaps the website doesn't need its own article and could just be added as a section in the main Olympic Games article instead. Thoughts? (please use {{reply to|Bsoyka}} on reply) Bsoyka🗣️ 21:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, VLaiquendi, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is very rare that an article with only a single reference will meet the criteria for WP:notability: the source will, at the very least, have to have copious significant coverage of the subject, and be unassabilably independent of the subject. The AIMS source you have provided appears to have one paragraph (it is clearly not the whole of an article, but I can't see any way to get more of it, which suggests to me that this is not actually where it is published), and it reads like a press release rather than an independent piece of journalism. If that is all you can find, then I would say that the site is ceratinly not currently notable by Wikipedia's standards - unsurprising, as anything newly launched is very unlikely to be: see TOOSOON. I would doubt whether the website will ever be independently notable, (but stranger things have happened). At present I think, with Bsoyka, that it probably merits at most a single sentence in Olympic games. --ColinFine (talk) 22:09, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Bsoyka: and ColinFine! Obviously adding the link and section to Olympic Games or IOC was my first intention. But Olympic Games is much broader term than just a digital platform of the IOC, looking at Olympic Games article I wouldn't say adding Olympics.com as it's official website would be appropriate. Adding it to the IOC is also a problem as IOC is having its own devoted subsection of Olympics.com. Actually Olympics.com is a successor and development of Olympic Channel and I've raised a discussion to rename Olympic Channel to Olympics.com and was opposed and advised to create a separate Olympics.com article. In addition Olympics.com is a holder of a former Olympic Channel database (now Olympics.com athletes database (Q56411957) with Olympics.com athlete IDs (P5815). It is a database and Template:Olympic_Channel (to be renamed) that is being used by thousands of athlete's profiles in Wikipedia. I'll think it over and may be leave it as it is for the time being, may be it will get better notability. Thanks! VLaiquendi (talk) 07:19, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Publish of Battlegrounds Mobile India game Wikipedia page

Hi there, I have prepared this draft page on the "Battlegrounds Mobile India" topic. Kindly review it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Battlegrounds_Mobile_India Iamrajdeepdas (talk) 08:47, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Randykitty deleted it. Unquestionably, this was a suitable fate for it. This is an encyclopedia, not an advertising site. -- Hoary (talk) 09:32, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Sinauli excavation question

Why did HISTORIANS consider the solid wheel chariot like structure found in sinauli excavation as a bullock cart? and there is mention of solid wheel chariots in Mesopotemia civilization . And why the Sinauli worrior will use the bullock cart in war? Drt450 (talk) 04:58, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Drt450, questions like yours are welcome to be asked at the Wikipedia reference desk. Good luck.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:17, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Drt450 See discussions at Talk page of Sinauli excavation site. David notMD (talk) 10:01, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Khel Now - What are the issues with the references?

What are the issues with the references published in Article - Khel Now? Pratyush09 (talk) 09:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Pratyush09 There should be reliable sources that determines notability. All references in the article is promotional content, and therefore is not eligible for being an article. Ahmetlii (talk) 10:10, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Berlin Brands Group

Hi there, I tried to transpose an article about the Berlin Brands Group from the German Wikipedia into the english Wikipedia. Here ist the Draft. For sure, this is an article on the behalf of the company, what I have clearly disclosed. But anyway it should match the wikipedia criteria. Not only the facts and numbers of the company should be enough also we have reliable sources here like Reuters, TechCrunch, Handelsblatt and others (I can provide much more if needed, but then the article would get to large for that Company). So after all, how is the way, to get this into the article Space? Or is it like the english wikipedia denies any paid articles, even if they are written in a neutral manner? Just asking. tx! Peer Kibonaut (talk) 08:49, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

The managing director "quickly advanced to become a power seller on the online marketplace". Does that mean that he was soon able to sell a lot of stuff? -- Hoary (talk) 09:27, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the hint. Yes that is the definition of "power seller". I'll delete the the "quickly" as this term does not belong to Wikipedia, right? --Kibonaut (talk) 10:05, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps also deleted "advanced" and "power", leaving you with "...then became a seller of goods in the online marketplace." David notMD (talk) 10:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

For English Wikipedia, your User page disclosure needs to name the specific companies you are editing for, in addition to what you posted on the Talk page of Draft:Berlin_Brands_Group. David notMD (talk) 10:20, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

TX - I kicked the the whole Powerseller-Part of the sentence, it seems to be clear that he was successful on EBAy, when this led to his own Company. Und updated my User-Page too. Did not know that i have to name the Companies I work for here not only within the articles.

Citing a source that has been renamed

Some of my sources were originally published in the St. Petersburg Times, prior to its rename as the Tampa Bay Times. I'm not sure how to attribute and archive the sources in this case - should I attribute them to Tampa Bay or St. Petersburg, and does it matter whether I provide an archived copy of the Tampa Bay website or an older version that links to the St. Petersburg website? Or should I do something else not mentioned in the citation guidelines? - Galactic-Radiance (Talk) 09:12, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Galactic-Radiance. If it was published in the St. Petersburg Times then that is what should be shown in the citation. I don't think it matters which link you use, though it would be better to use one that you can be confident will persist.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:18, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Getting the attention of someone who isn't reading their user talk page

I've tagged a couple of articles by the same (fairly new) user. The tags were removed. I added them back. They were removed again. I've posted messages on their user talk page, to no avail; it could be that they're editing on a mobile device and WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU. I've left edit notes asking them to engage, but I don't know if they're seeing the notes (although they do leave notes themselves, so are at least familiar with the concept). My latest attempt was to add a comment on one of the article talk pages, asking them to visit their user talk page, and even providing a link so that they can (hopefully) find it. If that still doesn't do the trick, any suggestions as to what else I can do, short of drawing an explanatory diagram and posting that on one of their articles?! TIA, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:02, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi DoubleGrazing. User contributions show tags if the mobile version or an app is used. If you refer to Special:Contributions/A.roussillon then they are using the desktop site and see notices about your posts. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:26, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @PrimeHunter: that is indeed the user I mean. I did look at the tags, but only saw 'visual', and wasn't sure whether that rules mobile devices in or out, or neither. So does this mean that if the tag doesn't expressly mention 'mobile', then it conclusively means they're using a mobile device? Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: VisualEditor can be used both in the mobile and desktop version of the site. Both mobile devices and desktop browsers can choose between the mobile and desktop site with a mobile/desktop link at the bottom of pages. They just have different defaults. There are also mobile apps which are different from the mobile version. If there is no tag with "mobile" or "app" in the name then the desktop site was used, unless it was an automated program using the API. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:55, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. Very helpful; as I only ever edit on PC using the [whatever the opposite of visual is called], I know very little about how others experience the site. Should really try things out, I guess... Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:59, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

It's called the source editor. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:37, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

objectivity of article Vivartia

Hello, I happened to come across an article that strikes me as not upholding Wikipedia's usual standards of objectivity. It seems more written from the company's own point of view, as a piece of propaganda. What do I do? Where do I turn? Thank you very much, Garrrick Garrrick (talk) 08:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Garrrick You should object your points on the articles talk page. Everything you need to know about an NPOV Dispute you could further read here. Hope that helps. CommanderWaterford (talk) 11:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@ CommanderWaterford Many thanks! This is exactly what I needed! Garrrick (talk) 12:23, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Homscience

How to clean kitchen equipment made of plain wood Polished wood Painted wood Vanished wood 154.159.238.40 (talk) 09:13, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

This page is for questions about writing for Wikipedia. For tips on polishing wood, try your favorite search engine. -- Hoary (talk) 09:23, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Ignore Hoary, their response wasn't very helpful. This is for asking questions about Wikipedia itself. A question like this would be more suited for the Reference Desk. You might wanna ask this there. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 12:34, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Question

Is there a place on Wikipedia that I can share my css skin? Thanks, MediaJS (talk) (C) 12:50, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi MediaJS the Technical Village Pump is probably the best venue. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:56, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

HOW CAN BE I PART OF WIKIPEDIA

My name is Chinedu Nnachi from Nigeria. I am the social media and content creator of vestarplus(www.vestarplus.com), I would love to contribute on this great website concerning Ebonyi state rich heritage in Nigeria Chinedu Nnachi (talk) 16:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Chinedu Nnachi: and welcome to Wikipedia! It's good to have you here. Wikipedia is an open project, that anyone can edit. It can be daunting to try not to make mistakes, but my advice is to start small and start with your interests. You said that you are interested in expanding information on Ebonyi State. That's great. Here's some things you can do, that all articles need to help them grow.

1. Find new sources of information: Wikipedia requires that all new information added to articles has a reliable source that it comes from, and that the source is cited in the text so that we can verify what is written in Wikipedia. The best way to help an article is to find sources of information so that what you add is verifiable and reliable. See Help:Referencing for beginners for more information.
2. Add the new information to the article and cite the sources you got it from.
3. Help find sources for information that someone else added, but neglected to provide a citation. If you see anything in an article that you can't figure out where it comes from, helping find a good source is much appreciated! Look for places where sources are missing, and add them. Sometimes, this text is tagged with , but sometimes not, regardless adding source texts in the form of citations to articles is a great way to help out.
4. Cleaning up existing text by improving grammar, writing it in the correct tone, and giving it a good overall "encyclopedic" feel is also good if you're not great at researching and writing new text.

Overall, there are a LOT of ways to help out at Wikipedia. If you want to read more, see Help:Getting started for some reading and some ideas on ways you can help out. Glad to have you here! --Jayron32 16:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Spelling etiquette for English language

is there an agreed version of English spelling? ie. US/international or English/UK? I've made a few small edits to improve reading flow of pages which I've been tuned away from by the over use of it, this, they, that, and on occasion almost changed an American word ending in ...ize to ...ise. I guess the etiquette would be to leave as is for editing, but is there a preferred version English for new pages? CharlotteFantastic (talk) 14:57, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@CharlotteFantastic: welcome to the teahouse! Generally, the idea is to keep the spelling general to where the subject comes from. For example, WAP uses American spelling, since both performers are American, while Iggy Azalea is written in Australian English, since Azalea is Australian. If the subject doesn't come from a place, stick to whichever style is being used in the article. Good luck. versacespaceleave a message! 15:02, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style § National varieties of English for more info. Kleinpecan (talk) 15:06, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi @CharlotteFantastic:. I would also point out that -ize is not an American spelling variation. Please see Oxford spelling.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:34, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Oxford spelling is not the same as British English though, so in British articles, either -ise or -ize could be acceptable. whenyou edit articles, at the top of some articles, it will tell you which spellings it uses i.e. it will say "Use British English", "Use American English", "Use Oxford spelling". Joseph2302 (talk) 15:56, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

One last tip, is to both be consistent, and respect existing styles. In cases where an article switches between styles, it's expected someone would go in and clean it up to a consistent style, and also in places where there is NOT a strong connection to one variety of English or the other, AND where the article is already in a consistent style, to respect the existing style and make sure any changes or additions you make conform to the variety of English already established in the article; for example if an article already uses D-M-Y dating style, so dates are written like 6 May 2021, and you want to add a new date for something, DON'T make your new addition read May 6, 2021. Try to respect what is already in the article. --Jayron32 16:45, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

My article is not an autobiography

 ShankarThai (talk) 16:21, 6 May 2021 (UTC) Hello:

In my previous communication, I mentioned that the Wiki page is being rejected with the claim that it is autobiographical and also that there are multiple pages with similar expertise that are written similarly.

In response, the wiki page is now published, but with a tag saying that "This article is an autobiography or has been extensively edited by the subject or by someone connected to the subject. ...."

In the chat in responding to my request, you had also mentioned in the chat that you would like to cite those examples. I am attaching here four such examples (I can provide more if needed). I would like to know how these are any less autobiographical and yet these pages are not tagged. In fact, my first draft for this in 2019 was modeled after Jeffrey Moore's page. As it was rejected, I had extensively revised it. And yet, none of these pages (and other similar pages) are not tagged as such.

I would like to know what criteria does Wiki apply for these labels?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_S._Moore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_M._Swager https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_L._Wooley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Zimmerman

Thank you.

First, it is not your article. No one owns any article (besides their own userpage, and even then they technically don't own it). Also, if it says "...has been extensively edited by the subject or by someone connected to the subject." and it's talking about you, that means you have a Conflict of Interest. Another host can further explain what I"m saying and what you are asking. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:46, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ShankarThai, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your user name is "Shankar Thai" and the article in question Sankaran Thayumanavan is about Sankaran "Thai" Thayumanavan. I see three possibilities: 1) you are writing about yourself, in which case the message is justified. 2) you are not Thayumanavan, in which case you should not be using somebody else's name as your user name, and should change it immediately. 3) You are a different person with a similar name. If the case is 3), then fair enough, but it is understandable that people might think you were writing about yourself, and I would advise you to create you user page and make clear there that you are a different person from Thai Thayaumanavan.

As for the other articles you mention, see Other stuff exists. --ColinFine (talk) 17:12, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

How to create articles?

I'm new to Wikipedia, how do you create articles? سلامتحية (talk) 17:23, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello non-latin username! I have separated your question from the above to make it easier to answer. Something you would want to do first would be to change your username to one with latin characters to make it easier for people to mention you. Second, you would want to check you your first article on how to create your first article (however it's not recommended). Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:32, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

You are overstating the case, Blaze The Wolf: there is no requirement thaqt usernames be in Latin characters. However, WP:NONLATIN says "To avoid confusion and aid navigation, users with such usernames are encouraged to use Latin characters in their signature", سلامتحية. Blaze is right, though, to point out that creating a new article is probably the most difficult task there is for a new editor, and I always advise editors not to try it until they have spent a few months improving existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works. --ColinFine (talk) 18:04, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah my bad! I knew there was a policy that advised against using non-latin characters in something involving the username. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:12, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Article to be merged?

Consolidated with another post on same article Robert McClenon (talk) 21:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

My question is in response to the review of my new page Draft:Queen Mary School. I wrote this article as this is a previous legacy school in my local area and Arnold School had their own article and QMS did not. It was written to the best of my abilities, using any information I could find credibly. It was then reviewed by a user, who said it should be merged. I disagree. Arnold School was not merged, so Draft:Queen Mary School doesn't need to be either. It is a separate institution, with its own history, to the proposed merged article. The review stated that there was not enough content on the page. I disagree also. A COI template was added, which should now be removed as I have explained and declared that I am in no way affiliated with the school, I am just a local resident who likes history. I have submitted the page for re-review. I am looking for responses to the above points in; is the article too short? why was it suggested to be merged? and could the COI template be removed please? Many thanks in advance. AbstractLakx (talk) 16:09, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Category deletion

How are categories deleted? How is it possible on WP when it is not possible on Fandom wikis? Firestar464 (talk) 06:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Firestar464, I suspect it's possible on Fandom wikis. Maybe normal editors there don't have the power to delete them? Maproom (talk) 07:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

FANDOM user here! Categories are deleted by either removing themselves at the bottom of a page, or removing templates that adds them into the page, this was originally a question here, but the original poster seek further clarification here. I need to state this again, FANDOM and Wikipedia are different, especially because FANDOM uses an outdated version of MW and Wikipedia has it's own extensions. Cheers ~ Headquarter8302 a.k.a Mark 125.167.115.35 (talk) 07:35, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Maproom, I'm talking about admins there. Firestar464 (talk) 07:40, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Firestar464, then you should ask at Fandom. -- Hoary (talk) 07:46, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

The reason I'm asking here is that I'm wondering why admins here can delete categories when admins there can't. Firestar464 (talk) 07:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Different websites, different software. I don't think we can help you further. This page is for help with using and editing Wikipedia.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I'll ignore the "there", as Shantavira suggests. As for the "here" and the "why", categories need to be deleted, and I suppose that it was decided years ago that deleting them wasn't something so drastic that a mere administrator shouldn't be entrusted with it. For the "here" and the "how", when administrators view a category, one section of their menu, titled "Edit", lists four options, of which one is "Delete". Suppose I sleepily/drunkenly/stupidly delete a category. Doing this doesn't affect anything belonging to that category, other than changing the color of the link to the now-deleted category. I (or anyone else) can simply re-create the stupidly deleted category, whereupon everything works as it did before my stupid deletion. -- Hoary (talk) 09:38, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

So you're saying that if you drunkenly delete a cat and visit the link, there will be nothing in it? Firestar464 (talk) 10:29, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

For a certain value of "nothing", see for example Category:Wikipedians with red-linked categories on their user talk page. "Nothing" as in what you see when you visit a redlink. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:47, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Firestar464: I'm not aware of any relevant technical differences between Wikipedia and Fandom in deleting categories. A page is removed from a category by removing the category code from the page. See Help:Category#Putting pages into categories. A category page is deleted by administrators like other pages. Pages will be shown in the category whether or not there is a category page. MediaWiki does not have a method to remove all pages from a category without editing them one at a time. The English Wikipedia has a bot which can be requested to remove a category from all the pages when the category is deleted. I don't know whether Fandom wikis have such bots. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:46, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I guess there's really no difference. Thanks for clarifying. How do admins take care of vandalism cats, I wonder? Firestar464 (talk) 01:43, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Them vandalism cats be uncool cats. To take care of them, admins let the dogs out. ... (But on the serious side, categories do seem to be well policed on WP, I just don’t know what tools are used to monitor them.) — Pelagic ( messages ) – (22:51 Tue 04, AEST) 12:51, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Firestar464: delete the category and mass-revert the additions? Elli (talk | contribs) 22:03, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

my article appears to have been deleted

WHO IS Theroadislong AND WHAT HAS HE/SHE/THEY done w/ my article? I received the following message; "The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you." As I had all the references listed, this was an easy fix and one that I was ready to do except now I can not find my work. Can he/she/it/they please restore it to my sandbox so that I can insert the citations? Eyezepol (talk) 21:23, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

As I explained on my talk page to the same question, your draft is here Draft:Alex Garcia you submitted it for review so I moved it to the correct location. Theroadislong (talk) 21:28, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, it's not your article. No one owns any article on Wikipedia. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 21:47, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

It's perfectly reasonable to say things like "my article" or "my draft" when referring to something they wrote in their userspace that was moved out of it. Leijurv (talk) 22:28, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Eyezepol. Wikipedia is a very open place, with mostly everything eminently trackable once you become familiarized. If you look up at the top of the page you will see a link for contributions, which will show you every non-deleted edit you've made to Wikipedia. That is one way you could learn that your draft had been moved to a normalized name for a draft article. Another way to reach the same place: When at either your user page or user talk page, you could click on "user contributions" from the tools menu on the left hand side of the page (when at another user's user or user talk page, clicking on that will show their contributions). You could also have searched for the name of the page, i.e., User:Eyezepol/sandbox, which would have redirected you to the current name, or even looked at the logs for it. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Need help with a list of names

Please take a look at my sandbox draft User:Eagledj/sandbox/Creative closet The list I'm just beginning (under “Inductees”) will include about 50 or 60 names and dates when finished. Before I go any further, tell me if maybe there should be a category page "List of Steel Guitar Hall of Fame Members" done separately. If not, is there a more condensed format to list the members to get all of them in (in columns perhaps?) An example in some existing article would be appreciated. Best Eagledj (talk) 00:17, 7 May 2021 (UTC) 

@Eagledj: Don't create a standalone list unless your article gets too long per WP:SIZESPLIT (which I don't think it will). For columns, use {{divcol}}, which is the simplest to use since it automatically adjusts for screen width. On a different note, the word "category page" means a page like Category:National Historic Sites in Nova Scotia; don't create a new category for your award per WP:OCAWARD. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 02:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Scientific epithets as words

These are the guidelines from the MOS on text formatting:

"Scientific names of organisms are formatted according to normal taxonomic nomenclature." (MOS:SCIENTIFIC)

"When italics could cause confusion... double quotation marks instead may be used to distinguish words as words. . . Use only one of these styles at a time... Two styles can be used at once for distinct purposes." (MOS:WAW)

From what I understand, scientific names pretty much function as collective nouns in all their variously singular/plural glory. Can they also inherently function as literal names (like when mentioning a history of names), or do these mentions come off better when double quotation marks are added (per MOS:WAW)? (e.g., His lecture was published in 1812, and in it von Sömmerring named the species Ornithocephalus antiquus.) JavaRogers (talk) 22:32, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@JavaRogers: It's based on if the italics would be confusing in context. The italics in your example sentence is not confusing, so quotation marks aren't necessary here IMO. Never not-italicize scientific names. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 02:59, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Fair 'nuff. Cheers :) JavaRogers (talk) 03:26, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Queen Mary School

The author and the reviewer posted at essentially the same time. Moving to consolidate discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Post by Author

My question is in response to the review of my new page Draft:Queen Mary School.

I wrote this article as this is a previous legacy school in my local area and Arnold School had their own article and QMS did not. It was written to the best of my abilities, using any information I could find credibly. It was then reviewed by a user, who said it should be merged. I disagree. Arnold School was not merged, so Draft:Queen Mary School doesn't need to be either. It is a separate institution, with its own history, to the proposed merged article. The review stated that there was not enough content on the page. I disagree also. A COI template was added, which should now be removed as I have explained and declared that I am in no way affiliated with the school, I am just a local resident who likes history.

I have submitted the page for re-review. I am looking for responses to the above points in; is the article too short? why was it suggested to be merged? and could the COI template be removed please? Many thanks in advance. AbstractLakx (talk) 16:09, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Post by Reviewer

I reviewed Draft:Queen Mary School and declined it, recommending that its content be merged into King Edward VII and Queen Mary School. I saw that Queen Mary School is a disambiguation page, because there are multiple schools named after multiple queens, but that this one is already described in King Edward VII and Queen Mary School, and the additional information in the draft could be expanded in the article. User:AbstractLakx asked me, on my talk page, to reconsider. They then said that the draft had been approved by the Queen Mary School Association, and I of course tagged the draft as conflict of interest, but they then explained that they only meant that they had written the draft from documents of the association. So my question for other editors here is whether this draft should be accepted as a separate article (as requested by the submitter) or merged into the existing article (as suggested by me as the reviewer). Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:33, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: This is a typical WP:MERGE discussion fodder. I would recommend you set up a merge discussion, post neutral notices in places likely to attract interested people, and see what the consensus is. I know that this is a proposed merge between a draft article and an existing article, but that's a small technical matter that should not affect the meat of the issue; which is about whether or not a topic should be covered under a single article or divided among two. Article mergers don't require a discussion, but where there is already a difference of opinion, that's what a merge discussion is for. --Jayron32 16:49, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Jayron32. I did tag the draft and the article for merge. The author of the draft disagrees, and says that a merge is not necessary, because the draft should be accepted. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:28, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Notability Test for my Grandfather (help)

<Putative copyright violation file removed>— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarenedwards (talk • contribs) 20:24, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

My grandfather was one of three chiefs who were interviewed for Master Chief of the Pacific Fleet in his service. He was also in the top 47 chiefs of the USN who were nominated for Master Chief of the U.S Navy in 1979. He was an E-9 and in his time of service, would've been assigned to one of many O10's in service during his time.

1. REDIRECT United States Navy officer rank insignia
2. REDIRECT Master chief petty officer

Help me do the Notability test please. 24.116.111.27 (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Unfortunately, you've not only used a plethora of acronyms which will mean nothing to most non-American editors, but you've not supplied any name or links or details of sources that would be needed before anyone could assess whether or not someone met our notability criteria (see WP:NBIO for details). If you could address both issues we might be able to give you a bit of a steer in the right direction. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

<Putative copyright violation file removed>— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarenedwards (talk • contribs) 20:26, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I am claiming the code for this submission to fall under WP:BIORELATED

WP:BLPFAMILY WP:BLPRELATED See also: § Invalid criteria Being related to a notable person in itself confers no degree of notability upon that person. Articles about notable people that mention their family members in passing do not, in themselves, show that a family member is notable.

I suggest that the next thing you do is create and sign in with a wikipedia account. It makes it seem that you not only care about your grandfather but also about wikipedia. Carptrash (talk) 20:52, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Carptrash The editor asking the question now has an account: Jarenedwards. And there is nothing wrong with a person without an account asking a question here. David notMD (talk) 21:11, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Jarenedwards Your attachments were removed as copyright violations. Your question appears to be whether "Daniel 'Danny' Ross Edwards" Master Chief, U.S. Navy, your grandfather, meets the criteria for a notable person. I think not. I tried a quick search on his name and saw no reliable source references with significant content about him. P.S. The obituary at Find-A-Grave does not count. David notMD (talk) 21:21, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Those photos are MY property, upon the death of MY grandfather. How is this a violation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarenedwards (talk • contribs) 21:34, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

"All rights reserved" (the default copyright licence) is incompatible with Wikipedia's licence. If it was published anywhere else first and the licence wasn't explicitly or by law defined (U.S. federal gov't works are by law public domain) then we must assume it is under full copyright and thus can't be used except under fair use. Fair-use images can't be used on the Teahouse or anywhere outside of main article space, incidentally. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 22:09, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

(Multiple e/c) Hi Jarenedwards. Your post implicates a number of matters.

• You might own the image to the copyright of the picture of your grandfather that you uploaded, but did not provide suitable evidence of that ownership with your upload. Deepening that matter, you uploaded a scan of a newspaper story as your "own work" when it is very unlikely (though possible), that you own the copyright to that work, such as if you own the Clarence Courier newspaper—though the fact you dated it today, rather than September 5, 1984 makes me all the more convinced this is simply an unwitting copyright violation and that you will get on point information by reading: Wikipedia:Scanning an image does not make it your "own work". (Both images, by the way, are marked for deletion.)
• But, good tidings: there is no need for a newspaper story to be online in order to be cited in an article to verify the information content, and at the same time, provide evidence of the subject's notability. In other words, you can use that story to verify content in any draft article you work on, and, also contribute towards demonstrating notability by citing it, and the [almost-certainly-proper] deletion of the image of the newspaper article from the Commons will not matter. See WP:SOURCEACCESS.
• For purposes of making those citations in any draft you create, I suggest you visit this how-to guide to the basics of citing references.
• As to the direct question you asked about, the "notability test", essentially the burden is on you to find the necessary sources to use as citations to demonstrate notability for a proposed subject, and to compose the content citing the sources. As already demonstrated by your finding of that 1984 article, you are also well situated to know where sources might be.

  Be aware that there is no exact "test" that can be ticked off; no exact number of sources you must cite to meet notability, but as a rule of thumb, think at least three sources, that meet the standards of being (all three of) reliable, secondary and independent – and that treat the topic in substantive detail. In that regard, you will need more than the one local newspaper article you've already unearthed, but the many awards it lists makes me think those sources are likely to exist. So work first on that – make a list of sources you think you might use. (And feel free to come back here with that list.) Make use of databases that tend to concentrate reliable sources, such as Google Books and its newspaper archive (rather than a generic web search) (maybe with search parameters like <"daniel R. edwards" AND "navy">), maybe try some of the newspaper databases I've compiled at WP:FENS.

• Once you make that list (and especially if it has many entries), you're on your way! That's when you would be ready to go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation, create a draft, and do it the right way; a way that sets yourself up for success – which is to write only what the sources you've compiled verify, citing the corroborating sources as you write, which, hand-in-glove, at the same time demonstrate your grandfather's notability. Be very careful about promotion – especially since you're writing about a relative and have a conflict of interest in performing that writing that makes it very hard to be neutral. Be leery of adjectives. Avoid evaluation in Wikipedia voice. Try to show, don't tell. Maybe take a glance at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch.
• Before any of this, you might want to take a tour through the WP:TUTORIAL, to get your Wikipedia sealegs.

• By the way, I do not understand what Carptrash intends above, but I can tell you that since you have not said anything in your question I can see even remotely related to inherited notability, I think the two shortcut page names referred to but not linked can be safely ignored as irrelevant. (I also strongly agree with the user above, that there is no need for anyone to have an account to ask a question here, and strongly disagree with the stated notion about "care" and signing up for an account, or not.)

Hope this helps. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:12, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

This why I am not a regular question answerer here.Carptrash (talk) 05:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Verification

I am new to this platform and I am craving myself for making some minor edits and creating an author page. So, my question is what are some key points to keep in mind so that my author page will be verified? Creating77 (talk) 02:22, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Do you mean that you want to create an article about an author? Or about yourself? Asking because "my author page" was unclear. David notMD (talk) 02:36, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Actually, I see that you have a submitted draft at User:Creating77/sandbox about a book (not an author). David notMD (talk) 02:39, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

The novel may be very noteworthy, for all I know; but the draft as I now view it doesn't start to suggest this. There are very many novels, and this website only has articles about a tiny minority of them. How -- in the opinions found via independent, published sources -- is this one out of the ordinary? The draft currently has two references: to the novel itself, and to Goodreads. Clearly the novel is not independent of itself, and the latter too doesn't qualify. The draft will need independent, reliable sources in order for the novel to meet the notability criteria for books. -- Hoary (talk) 04:54, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

BTW the author of the Amar Neupane has already an article - which is tagged for same issues. --Maresa63 ^Talk 05:45, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikitia

Hi--unbeknownst to me, my draft posted on Wikitia. Does anyone know the difference between Wikitia and Wikipedia? Thanks! TAH0916 (talk) 12:54, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikitia is sort of a copy of Wikipedia and is stealing things from here without crediting the original editors. As far as I know, Wikitia is not at all connected to Wikipedia. ANother host can you tell you more about it. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:03, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

TAH0916, Wikitia does say that 'Some of Wikitia's pages are sourced from Wikipedia.org's Mainspace and Draftspace,' even though it's supposed to be written by 'verified' editors. How ironic. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:09, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TAH0916. With its 31,000 articles (compared to our 6.2 million), Wikitia is a wonderfully lame attempt to gather some content together that nobody else can edit unless (as their site says) they've been 'verified' and "who have notability in their field or topic...". That's clearly quite a joke. Because every edit here is released under a Creative Commons licence, anyone is free to reuse it - even draft articles that we have rejected. However, that person copying your content should have credited you - and if they didn't, they are in breach of the Creative Commons licencing as they've simply stolen your work without acknowledgement. You could go there and make a fuss about it if you wished to, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation and I'm sure it'll fade away into nothingness, if it hasn't actually done so already. You only have to look at the appalling quality of so-called 'Featured Articles' they link to from their main page to realise how rubbish it is going to be. I'm sorry I can't link to the 'About Wikitia' page to help you as it is blocked by our spam filters! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:16, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

THE EDITOR DRAFT ABANINDRA MAITRA DATED 11TH NOVEMBER 2019

TEA HOUSE WIKIPEDIA Dear Sir, This is regarding the draft Abanindra Maitra for Wikipedia article. We gave the names of the books written by Abanindra Maitra, edited by Mrs Sweta Banerjee, along with the blogs of the publishers, libraries, blogs like Amazon.com, Ernakulam Public library, The Mirage, author Abanindra Maitra,Pritonia publishers ISBN 97893817133, Page number Abanindra's biography in back inside cover. Kindly let us know what else we have to do, for the article. Thanking you Regards Nilima Sen. Nilima sen (talk) 06:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC))

DRAFT ABANINDRA MAITRA LIST OF AWARDS RECEIVED TO BE ADDED. Abanindra Maitra had received the Sangeet natak academy award, Government of India, also nominated for the Padmasri award, Government of India. He had received the President's award for the All India music competition.He has received the title Sangeet Acharya. Best music award, Chekoslovakia film festival, best music award French film festival. The National award, Government of Germany, K.K.Birla foundation award, Lady Ranu Mukherjee award,honours from Calcutta music conference,Orient music circle , D.LIT from South point high School,and many others. REFERENCES Archieved from the originals. Biography of Abanindra Maitra in his book THE MIRAGE, author Abanindra Maitra, Pritonia publishers. (````) (223.223.130.157 (talk) 07:27, 7 May 2021 (UTC)) 7.5.2021 [Material kindly moved here by Ahmetlii from a mistakenly created archive page.]

Nilima sen, you're writing about Draft:Abanindra Maitra. Because this is a draft, anyone is free to edit it, even those who have a conflict of interest. I notice that it includes such extraordinary material as The whole country is ruined by the non Bengalis, the Marwaries, Gujratis, Sindhis,their wives,family members, never trust them, do not go for their names, their fraudulant financial,insurance companies,stealing properties,malpractices of the tenants, looting the Government funds, the banks,every bank in India and foreign countries, the false real estate, the human racketing,selling the innocent girls and forcing them to prostitution,young children forced to begging,The huge pending taxes in the tune of nearly million and million crores, the country is infested with their criminal activities. This is an encyclopedia, not a soap-box; for any hope of promotion of this draft to article status, remove all this ranting. Indeed, if you do not remove it promptly, the entire draft risks quick deletion. -- Hoary (talk) 07:55, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

I have deleted this under CSD G4 (Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Abanindra Maitra), and salted the title – given the numerous recreations over six years, the disgusting attack content and the lack of any encyclopedic merit at any stage.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 09:19, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Rollback vs. Twinkle

Rollback vs. Twinkle Hi, this is Helen again. I know I’m not exactly a ‘new’ user anymore, but I hope someone can answer my question anyways. I’m considering applying to become a Rollbacker within the next few days to weeks, but I had a question about it. Is this software quicker at reverting vandalism than Twinkle is? Are there any additional benefits to using Rollback instead of Twinkle? Thanks. HelenDegenerate (talk) 01:50, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@HelenDegenerate: Software rollback is slightly faster, and it enables various dedicated tools such as Huggle. Other differences are that by default it does not prompt you for confirmation and it uses a generic edit summary, which is why it's only allowed to be used in specific cases (e.g., obvious vandalism). DanCherek (talk) 02:14, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@HelenDegenerate: Rollbacker here. The only "good" reason IMO to apply for rollback is to use Huggle. I never actually use the normal rollback button on Wikipedia itself because it doesn't leave a specific edit summary; for that, I always use Twinkle. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 02:19, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@HelenDegenerate: As someone who doesn't have rollback rights on Wikipedia, I find that using RedWarn does essentially the same thing, and is visually more user-friendly to boot. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:10, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Us of terms: Wheelchair-bound (vs. "wheelchair using" or similar)

I changed some ocurrances of "wheelchair-bound" to "wheelchair using". @DaxServer: asked me to ask here on Teahouse if there is a consensus on use of these terms. If the changes are a problem I can stop doing the changes when I come across them, but I would be happy if "wheelchair-bound" could be changed to "wheelchair using", as it is both more descriptive of- and more respectful to wheelchair users. Simulo (talk) 13:58, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Wheelchair user is generally preferred, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Disability/Style_advice#Assistive devices. Out in the real world "wheelchair bound" is strongly deprecated by people who actually use them. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:18, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

... and is inaccurate. Many wheelchair users are not "bound" to their wheelchairs, but prefer them, or are told by their doctors to use them, for longer distances. Maproom (talk) 14:34, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

"Wheelchair-bound" to me has more of a negative connotation and, as pointed out above, isn't necessarily true in all cases. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 14:46, 6 May 2021 (UTC)l

Some people have a disability so that they can use a wheelchair, or crutches, or a walker, and may prefer a wheelchair. They aren't bound to it. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Simulo: Just a note on punctuation: If you're introducing "wheelchair using" as an attributive adjective, you should hyphenate it per MOS:HYPHEN #3. Deor (talk) 17:44, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for clarifying this, providing the link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Disability/Style_advice#Assistive devices and to point out the need for a hyphen in "wheelchair using" -- Simulo (talk) 12:32, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Deletion/Merging of Obscure Articles

On obscure articles that are not often frequented, is there a procedure for merging/deletion? InevitableOwl talk 12:39, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi InevitableOwl. You can find out more information at WP:MERGE and WP:DELETE, but just being "obscure" in and of itself doesn't automatically make an existing article a candidate for either merging or deleting. You might also want to take a look at WP:REDIRECT because this is also sometimes an option in addition to the two mentioned above. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello @InevitableOwl: Welcome to The Teahouse. An article may be either deleted or merged for various reasons. If an article contains verifiable information, but is not otherwise suitable as a topic for a stand-alone article, merger is preferred. Merging articles is considered normal editing practice, and subject to normal editing policies, such as WP:SOFIXIT; anyone may merge articles at any time (so long as they understand how to do it from a technical point of view and don't bodge it up), no one has to seek permission to merge articles. THAT being said, article merging may be controversial, and if ANYONE objects or is likely to object, it is expected that a consensus building discussion takes place. It is a courtesy to notify people of an intended merger, so that they may give input if they desire. But it is not required to do so, unless someone objects after the fact, at which point it's probably best to undo it and find some way to reach consensus over how to proceed. Deletion is reserved for situations where a topic is unsuitable AND none of the text in the article is worth saving. It should be noted that being "obscure" is neither a reason for merging or deletion, stand-alone articles are existentially justified by having sufficient, reliable source material with which to build an article. If you are interested in the proper procedures for effecting a merger or a deletion, see WP:MERGE and WP:DELETE. --Jayron32 12:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Citing Help

Can someone please help me w/ citing in here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WVES_(FM) please? I'm having formatting issues. 96.255.84.32 (talk) 13:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@96.255.84.32:  Done You need to tell {{cite web}} that https://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=WOWZ was intended to be the URL linked in the citation by putting it into the |url= param, as opposed to an unnamed one. I have fixed it. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:26, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

DO PEOPLE GET PAID ON WIKIPEDIA?

Thank you Teahouse for the prompt response of editors to questions considering the weight of work involved in reviewing thousands of articles but I am surprised at an accusation by one of the editors today accusing me of undisclosed paid editing. Do editors get paid here? If yes, who pays please? It is strange to me since I have clearly indicated my interest in publishing Nigerians and Nigeria related articles on Wikipedia, and my random search brought up the names which I am publishing considering their youthful age and role in national leadership. Is there a particular way an editor can get paid for editing here? Thank you. Bibihans (talk)Bibihans Bibihans (talk) 11:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Why yes of course, it's easy. A variety of websites offer the services of "experienced" editors. The publicity-seeking person or company contacts the article-writing company, money changes hands, a draft or even an article gets written by a more or less competent person. (Welcome to vanity capitalism.) The result looks promotional, because a person or company that's so keen to advertise itself via Wikipedia won't be able to resist puffing itself up. The paid editor may resist this to some degree, but "the customer is always right". And then the draft or article gets deleted. -- Hoary (talk) 12:10, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Bibihans: The straight amswer is that Wikipedia has been built and is run wholly by volunteers who care about creating a neutral, factual encyclopaedia on notable topics. We dont do it for any financial rewards, and most of us disdain those who try to insinuate articles of a promotional nature, and try to get paid for doing so. After 10 years and 55,000 edits, I have been paid absolutely nothing, and that applies to everyone else. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:32, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Bibihans:: Welcome to the Teahouse! I'll try to provide a less cynical answer; while Hoary is correct that people are paid by outside agencies to edit Wikipedia, there are rules against undeclared paid editing, and the Wikimedia Foundation (the nonprofit group that runs Wikipedia) discourages it; they do have a paid workforce, and while employees of WMF are allowed to edit on their free time, they do not do so as part of their job, they are employed by WMF to maintain the infrastructure of the website, oversee fundraising, things like that. Those people are pretty rare, however, the vast majority people at Wikipedia are just here doing this as a hobby. See, WP:PE for more information on the rather strict guidance on paid editing. --Jayron32 12:34, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Bibihans. First off, please don't type your questions in all capital letters because doing so is considered to be a form of shouting on the Internet. Next, regarding paid editing, all Wikipedia editors are WP:VOLUNTEERs who edit for a variety of different reasons, but there are some "editors" (like the ones described above by Hoary) who do try and seek payment for their services. Basically, this is a private contract you enter into with one of these people that has nothing at all to do with Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation. Unfortunately (once again as described above by Hoary), many of these "editors" aren't very scrupulous and many of their "clients" have no real understanding of how Wikipedia works. So, I'd imagine that lots of guarantees are often made by people who either don't understand Wikipedia or understand just enough to trick their "clients" out of their money. There are of course some editors who receive payment who try their best to do everything in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, but I wouldn't know how to find such people and even such editors aren't approved or certified in any way by the Wikimedia Foundation. There's no real way to tell people how to spend their money, and many people think they can buy themselves a Wikipedia article; unfortunately, many find out only too late that Wikipedia doesn't work that way, or at least is not intended to work that way. If you come across one of these paid services and what they're offering seems too good to be true, then it probably is and you should avoid them. Anyone who guarantees that they can create an article for a fee either has no idea what doing so entails or knows too well what that entails and is not being totally honest with you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:46, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

• CommanderWaterford is the one who left the standard "possible paid editing" message on User talk:Bibihans. I would very much like to hear from them why they did so. I cannot see deleted drafts, but I do not see anything in Draft:Elijah Chinezim Onyeagba that would warrant such a warning; not everyone who writes biographies is a paid editor; and I would have bet myself that ambassadors are considered inherently notable (they are not) so one can hardly fault a new editor for not knowing it.

@Bibihans: Welcome and please do not feel discouraged by your initial missteps. Creating new articles is a very difficult task, so I would encourage you to start by editing existing articles. I do not think we have that many editors familiar with Nigerian topics, so many of those are surely out of date or otherwise lacking. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

The OP has only one deleted contribution, a draft article about a Nigerian bureaucrat which was deleted for being a copyright violation. I see nothing in any of their contributions (either deleted or still standing) which would indicate that they are being paid for their work; WP:AGF certainly seems to have been forgotten in the interactions in question. --Jayron32 12:56, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

The OP might not have a long edit history, but the draft (or rather the subject) has a bit of history – see deletion logs for Elijah Chinezim Onyeagba, Elijah Onyeagba, Elijah Chinezim Onyeagba PhD. A UPE account was blocked in March for promoting this person, so it was more than reasonable to ask this user about that. --bonadea contributions talk 15:13, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Jayron32: Well noted. Thank you. User talk:Bibihans

@CommanderWaterford: Thank you for the reply. User talk:Bibihans

UPDATE: Draft:Elijah Chinezim Onyeagba Declined 7 May 2021. Revised (refs and text added) and resubmitted.

Why are my edits being reverted back?

I need to update the logo and wording for a page (on behalf of my client, the owner of the subject of the page) however the edits get reverted back or removed in 1 day. I am trying to replace the logo image (uploaded it to commons) but still, it goes back. TinySparrowMarketing (talk) 14:23, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@TinySparrowMarketing: Welcome to the Teahouse. You should discuss this with the reverting editor on the article's talk page. Also, please note that your username currently violates the username policy as a corporate username, and that you should either abandon this account and create one that's more personalised (even JimfromTinySparrow is acceptable). After doing so, please disclose your paid relationship with your clients on your user page: you may use {{paid}} to do so. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:30, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

For everyone's info: There appears to have been an off-wiki legal dispute between The Rotary Club of Houston and The Lombardi Foundation. The Rotary Club have been giving out the award since 1970 (the current article) The Lombardi Foundation seems to be a new organisation (c.2017) that claimed ownership of the right to give the award. The Rotary Club appear to have won. The award hasn't been awarded since 2017 and is due to be awarded again in December 2021. The Foundation appear to be trying to turn the article so that it's about them instead of the rotary award. At least that's what appears to be happening, I could be wrong. If others could add it to their watchlist it would help because this is the third SPA to start editing the article in the last two weeks. - X201 (talk) 15:32, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Tool to automatically find sources

Hello! I'm currently working on a major expansion of the SnowRunner article and would like to know if there's a tool that can help me find sources. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:05, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: I think the things at WP:VG/SE could help. max20characters 🇺🇸 16:36, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Will such an article not be deleted?

Hello! I am working for the Ukrainian unit of an international group of companies. We would love to write an article about our company (let us call it "XXX Ukraine"), as it has been around for 13 years, has worked with world-known companies and our sphere of business is growing. Of course, the aryicle will be purely informational, not advertising or anything like that. But, wikipedia already has an article dedicated to the Group of companies where our company belongs.

To sum it up, can we post an article about "XXX Ukraine" if Wikipedia already has an article about the "XXX Group" where "XXX ukraine" also belongs? Sandra889 (talk) 15:30, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Maybe. notability is not inherited. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:39, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

You might want to check WP:COI. Also, I hope this account isn't being shared, otherwise it will get banned (I'm saying this because you said "we would love to write an article about our company" instead of "i would love to write an article about my company") Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:07, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sandra889, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you can find the necessary reliable sources, wholly independent of the company (which excludes anything based on interviews or press releases), containing significant coverage of the Ukrainian subsdiary specifically, then there could be an article about it. You are discouraged from writing it, but as long as you make the mandatory declarations as a paid editor, and use the articles for creation process, you are permitted to. Remember that the article (whoever writes it) will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what those independent sources say: Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that your company says or wants to say about itself. --ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Pending changes review

Hello. I have been granted pending changes reviewer rights today, but I haven't been able to use it very much (apart from automatically accepting my vandalism-revert edits), since I can't find a filter that lets me only see edits made on pending changes articles. That's why I'm wondering if there is a way I can set a filter for that. Thanks. Seahawks4Life^{TALK—CONTRIBS} 17:29, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Seahawks4Life: - I think Special:PendingChanges is what you're looking for Nosebagbear (talk) 18:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Seahawks4Life^{TALK—CONTRIBS} 18:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Game's removal from sale not being notable?

So there's this game, Noct that came out in Early Access 6 years ago, and said that it would be released fully 5 years ago. That never happened.

Anyway, so in March 17 of this year it got removed from sale on steam. I wanted to add to the page, but the only sources I have for this are and. Are either of these sources valid to back up the claim that it is no longer on sale on steam? Kczaj (talk) 16:07, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

The first one simply links to it's store page on Steam. If that show that it's no longer on sale then it should be fine. The second one someone would have to verify what it proves as I cannot check it out myself. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:10, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

See, my problem is that I added the first source and added to the article page that the game was removed from sale, but my changes got reverted. Kczaj (talk) 16:13, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

The user who reverted had a pretty good reason. They said this: "The programmer is streaming the development multiple times per week, including yesterday (https://www.twitch.tv/moatdd/videos). Being retracted from sale (which happened in mid-March) does not immediately mean anything. Reliable sources have not covered either side of this story." I don't think they should've added the dev's twitch channel but I digress. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Regardless of continued ongoing development, shouldn't being removed from sale be something important enough to mention on the page? Kczaj (talk) 16:21, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Not necessarily. I don't really know much about that area as I mainly play games that are still onsale. Another host who may know more about that can further answer. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:27, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Reading up on wikipedia's policies, it looks like I probably should just talk to the other editor instead of this instead.

Is there a way to mention another editor on an article's talk page? Kczaj (talk) 16:34, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Nevermind, found the button Kczaj (talk) 16:40, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

ANother way to mention the editor would be to use {{ping|User}} Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh, does the way I did it in the visual editor, by using the user pitograph with a plus sign work? Or does it just make a link to the other user and doesn't actually notify them? Kczaj (talk) 16:56, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

I have no clue. As long as it makes a link to the user's page it should work. I don't use the visual editor though. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kczaj: Assuming you're referring to the new discussion tool that's in beta and you're clicking on the "reply" link after a signature, yes, it does notify them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:30, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

References

IS THE 5 MONTHS REVIEW OF DRAFT GENERAL OR JUST FOR NEW MEMBERS

Hello, I recently started contributing to Wikipedia by editing already existing articles after which I have been able to create my own draft articles. I must commend the editors who have been able to help in editing my draft so as to make it compliant to Wikipedia but I am concerned at the prolonged delay of review and movement of my draft to article space. I will like to know; can I move my draft to the article space? I have been notified that my draft will take 5 months before it is reviewed, does this apply to new members of the community only or it is a general rule? Thanks Bibihans (talk) 09:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)Bibihans

@Bibihans: As you are WP:Autoconfirmed, yes, you can move your drafts to article space yourself. See Help:Moving a page for instructions. I'd recommend being sure that they demonstrate WP:Notability before you do so, though, as otherwise they may be nominated for deletion. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 09:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Bibihans Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The 5 month period is simply a backlog due to many drafts and too few reviewers. It is for anyone submitting a draft, not just new users. Unless you are very experienced in article creation (the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia) and 100% certain your draft would survive an Articles for Deletion discussion, I would strongly advise patience and allowing the process to play out. It's better to get other people looking at it as a draft. Do you have a particular need for a speedy review? 331dot (talk) 09:46, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

The drafts of this editor are all marked for undisclosed paid Editing, so yes, I guess they have good reasons for get them published as quick as possible. CommanderWaterford (talk) 11:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Bibihans The backlog is not a queue. It can be days, weeks, or (sadly) months before a reviewer selects a draft. David notMD (talk) 19:26, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: Draft:Elijah Chinezim Onyeagba Declined 7 May 2021. Revised (refs and text added) and resubmitted. David notMD (talk) 19:32, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Merging articles

Hello once again! I am working on merging Opera GX into Opera (web browser) as a result of the discussion which was merge. However upon attempting to follow the directions one part wasn't very clear to me. IT says: "After closing the merger proposal discussion, remove the {{Merge to}} template from the source page..." ok that make sense. "...and place the {{Old merge full}} template on the corresponding talk page in the following manner..." corresponding talk page? Which one is that? And the template doesn't help me figure that out either as the parameter other page is "the target page for the proposed merge". However that wouldn't make any sense as it would produce a banner that says this: "This article was nominated for merging with Opera (web browser) on 1 January 2020. The result of the discussion (permanent link) was to merge." However Opera GX is the page that is being merged, not Opera (web browser). Can someone help me figure this out? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:42, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf, {{Old merge}} should be placed on the talk page of the article being merged into. The code you should place on the target talk is:

{{Old merge full
| otherpage = Opera GX
| merge     = yes
| URL       = https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Opera_(web_browser)&diff=1021976250&oldid=1021975791&diffmode=source
}}

Hope this helps! — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 20:10, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you that cleared things up! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:12, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Edit to locked page

Hello! I work for a public figure who's page has been locked due to vandalism. However, I notice there is a typo on the page - how would I go about getting access to fix the typo? Pepperpizza (talk) 18:38, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

"I work for.." if you are being paid please see WP:COI and WP:PAID. ALso, the page is most likely only locked to autoconfirmed or extended-confirmed users. Might want to make an edit request on the page. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

If you work for them, Pepperpizza, then you should not attempt to edit the article even when you technically can. Once you have made the mandatory declaration as a paid editor, you should make an edit request on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 20:38, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

FANDOM

Is Fandom a reliable source? From, Lucario298 (talk) 23:37, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lucario298: Hey there, welcome to the Teahouse! No, Fandom is not a reliable source due to the fact that it's entirely user-generated. You can take a look at WP:FANDOM for more details and previous discussions regarding the site's reliability. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 23:44, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

For those confused by Lucario289's link to a Wikipedia article about a social phenomenon, I suspect they and Bsoyka are referring to the website fandom.com. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.135.95 (talk) 21:32, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

wikipedia

What does Wikipedia do about missing content? Is it proactive in seeking to fill voids? 174.88.8.89 (talk) 21:30, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

It depends on volunteer editors such as yourself to fill in the gaps, making sure to provide citations to reliable sources. RudolfRed (talk) 21:47, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] There is no such thing as "Wikipedia" in the sense you seem to assume. That is, there's no body of "overseers" deciding what articles Wikipedia should contain and assigning other editors the job of creating them. Nearly everybody editing on Wikipedia is an individual volunteer doing it as a hobby, and deciding for themselves what tasks they want to undertake, which might include creating new articles, or not.

(There are a small number of "businesses" who tout for clients and offer to create articles for money, but they are often inept, and their attempts are usually inadequate and get rejected, leaving their clients/victims out of pocket. In theory, employees of a company can try to create articles for their employers, but this is very difficult to do successfully because of the unconscious biases and conflicts with Wikipedia's principles that are involved.)

That said, there are Projects on specific topic areas where those sharing interest in that topic might agree amongst themselves what articles might be prioritised, notably Women in Red which seeks to redress [see what I did there? :-)] the current under-representation of female article subjects.

There is also a list of requested articles for creation added to by users wanting particulars articles to be created by others: the idea is that editors wanting a subject to work on might choose one from that list, but in practice this doesn't happen very often.

This might sound discouraging, but bear in mind that in any one calendar month, over 100,000 different editors do something on Wikipedia. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.135.95 (talk) 22:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Swinton, Greater Manchester

Some editor removed the box...i don't know how to readd it.RailwayJG (talk) 21:39, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@RailwayJG: Are you talking about the infobox in the article on Swinton, Greater Manchester? It was vandalzed and that's why it didn't work. User:Crouch, Swale has fixed it. Kleinpecan (talk) 22:04, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

How do I deal with a malicious contributor?

I've noticed a Wikipedia contributor who has consistently been adding lines to articles related to Indian astrology/astronomy/historical books, and whose edits have no attached research. A lot of their edits are opinion, not fact, and sometimes just oversimplification of a topic injected elsewhere.

I've noticed that some of their work has been reverted by editors. I also did the same - reverted the offending work and wrote up explanations as to why my edits make sense.

What else can I do here? Short of calling for this person's account to be blocked from edits, or sending them a message on their talk page (will that be counted as confrontational, since I'm just another contributor, not an editor), I don't know how to deal with such contributors.

Should I just periodically check in on what they've been up to and if they've been up to their egregious behavior, I should go about editing their work? Nitinkhanna (talk) 21:05, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nitinkhanna — anyone who edits Wikipedia, including you and me, is referred to as an "editor". If there is a chronic issue with this person's edits, I would recommend raising your concerns with them on their talk page, and hopefully the two of you can work things out. As long as your message is worded civilly, I don't think it will come across as confrontational (helpful note: assume good faith and avoid terms like "malicious" as in your section heading — they are most likely making genuine efforts to improve the articles). Unless they are repeatedly making blatant errors, I wouldn't necessarily suggest regularly checking in on their contributions; you don't want them to make them feel like they're being followed around (see WP:FOLLOWING). DanCherek (talk) 21:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

See also WP:BOLD, and WP:BRD. They can edit, so can you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:47, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nitinkhanna. There are editors who are simply not competent to edit the encyclopedia and whose edits need to be reviewed closely (and "followed", if you will). Continually adding unsourced material is a problem that can result in a ban or block if persisting after discussion, continued notices, etc. Of course, it's also difficult to speak about what exactly to do here without knowing the specifics (though I can guess why you didn't want to name the specific user).

Dealing with something like this can be especially difficult to deal with until you become a more experienced editor. If you'd like, you can drop a message at my talk page or even email me the name of the user and I'll be glad to take a look (and won't involve you). Up to you. By the way, there is a template series geared to at least the broad description of the behavior you've described, and... erm, after glancing at them I don't think they're great ... but I'll mention them anyway, {{Uw-unsourced1}}, {{Uw-unsourced2}} and escalating. (You can see user talk page "warning" templates series for a variety of situations at WP:WARN). I am not recommending, though, that you would start there (it's usually better to start with a tailored post), nor sure the behavior precisely fits the mold. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:57, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for all the guidance, folks. As I delved deeper into the series of posts this person was editing, I also learnt of the nuance which they were going for. I do still believe that they've been doing a bad job of presenting opinion as fact, but I will take this opportunity to learn the wikipedia way and assume good faith.

Thank you for offering to help deal with the editor. For now, I'll just monitor the pages I edited myself. If someone tries to revert my edits, I'll follow up on that discussion, instead of Following this editor's work. You're right, there's no good faith argument for hounding them. Nitinkhanna (talk) 22:42, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Secret Coders Wikipedia page(s).

I would like to work with my colleagues, CatSnake200 and Bpcmakerclub, to start a Secret Coders Wikipedia page. The Secret Coders is a series by Gene Luen Yang and Mike H., There isn't a Wikipedia page for Secret Coders, and I would like to make one with my colleagues. It would be great if someone could help us create a page and care for it. Thanks, -Aghast Muffin  Aghast Muffin (talk) 23:39, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Aghast Muffin. Please read and study Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:29, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Aghast Muffin. The website you linked to above describes Secret Coders as a "A Graphic Novel Series for Computer Nerds" which means that you might try asking about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics or Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels. The first thing you're going to need to establish is whether the subject is Wikipedia notable and the way you generally do this is by determining whether the subject has been significantly covered by independent and secondary reliable sources. I'm not sure what types of sources are usually considered reliable with respect to graphic novels, but perhaps Wikipedia:Notability (books) contains some information that you may find helpful. Unless you're enable to demonstrate that the subject is Wikipedia notable, it will make no difference as to how well you write the article. The members of the two Wikiprojects I mentioned above probably will be better able to assess the Wikipedia notability of the subject. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:50, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

which tag was it

Which tag was the one what got taken off was it youtube or twitch?Me = melon (talk) 23:36, 7 May 2021 (UTC) Me = melon (talk) 23:36, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Me = melon, you are going to need to be more specific, friend. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 00:53, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Mattcraft2011 was Rejected, as having no potential to become an article, and then nominated for Speedy Deletion. Do not (as you did) remove either of those tags. The SD can be contested on the Talk page of the article. But to be clear - there is no way that a YouTube personality with fewer than 50 followers can qualify as an article. David notMD (talk) 01:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Deleting an article

How do you delete an article? This is ridiculous and has escaped notice for 10+ years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soup_all%27Imperatrice. Please help! FiddleheadLady (talk) 19:19, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@FiddleheadLady: Hello FiddleheadLady! I have separated your question from mine to make it easier to answer. How you delete an article depends on the type of deletion you're attempting to do.Using a semi-automated program called Twinkle can make the proccess easier, however it is not required. All you have to do is place the appropriate deletion template at the top of the article. The process is a bit too lengthy for me to list here, however you can take a look at the Guide to Deletion for step-by-step instructions to request a deletion. However normal users cannot delete articles themselves, only administrators can. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:26, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@FiddleheadLady Could you explain why the article should be deleted? There should be some reasons like lack of notability, or hoax, but if the problem is the article has not enough citations, that is not a valid reason for deletion. If you want to delete the article, you need to nominate it at first (But ensure that your reason is valid, otherwise it will not be deleted!). You can simply nominate it with Twinkle. Ahmetlii (talk) 19:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Blaze The Wolf & @Ahmetlii for your quick reply! I think it should be deleted because it doesn't appear to exist as a real recipe or thing. All the references to it are copies of the Wikipedia page. I looked for sources, but couldn't find any and someone else commented on the talk page about it in 2012. In this scenario, would an Articles for Deletion nomination make the most sense? Or does this really not count as a possible deletion situation? Thank you again for all your help! FiddleheadLady (talk) 19:50, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Please remember to sign with your signature using ~~~~. Also, technically the recipe is real, however there isn't enough information given to actually make the recipe. The only source is a Google book which says exactly what the article (and every source) has. I will go ahead and list it for a PROD (Proposed Deletion) and if someone objects they should have a good reason why. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:48, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah thank you! That makes sense. And I will add my signature to this and the one above. Sorry about that! FiddleheadLady (talk) 19:50, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

No problem! I'm happy to help you! Articles like these remain because they receive so few page views that no one notices they exist unless someone happens to find it via Special:Random. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:55, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Now, what about the other soups at List of Italian soups? David notMD (talk) 23:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

David notMD, well, some of them, like Acquacotta are actually Good Articles, while some, like Bagnun, have no references at all (the aforementioned one should probably be deleted). Someone will have to go through them to weed out the nonnotable ones. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 01:35, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Creating a page vs editing a section on "Crystal Plasticity" (a computational physics technique)

Hi, I am new to editing on Wikipedia. I want to improve the coverage of Crystal Plasticity on Wikipedia. It is a computational physics technique that is quite useful. I find that currently there are two pages with a section on Crystal Plasticity. There is a brief mention on the Finite Element Method page, but that section could be improved. There is also a brief section in the Computational materials science page, but it remains as one of the few listed techniques that doesn't have a dedicated main article. Hence, I would ideally like to create a new page for Crystal Plasticity, and I would like for the page with my additions to be accessible via a link at the earliest. I have heard that it can take the AFC process very long before an article gets approved. If I can get a draft ready, is there any way for me to get the new article approved (say, in a span of a week)? I understand that there's a good reason that the review takes some time because quality needs time, but since I have a time constraint, I'm trying to look for the best way to move forward. OffbeatFly (talk) 04:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, OffbeatFly. You are close to being autoconfirmed and would then be able to create an article yourself. But your new article would have to survive the New pages patrol, so it better be fully compliant with policy. Many experienced editors will have great concern about your "I have a time constraint" remark, which indicates that you are motivated by something external rather than a wish to improve the encyclopedia in a careful way. Please read Wikipedia:There is no deadline and consider the advice it offers. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:02, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Cullen328, for your response. I will keep in mind the relevant policies for a new article. And, I agree that having a time constraint sounds like a bad idea, but I will review the links you've mentioned, and do my best to assure quality. I also hope to continue to contribute to this project. Thanks again! OffbeatFly (talk) 05:16, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Archive bot

I attempted to setup Lowercase sigmabot III to archive my talk page, however I don't think I did it correctly. Could someone take a look at it and tell me what I might've done wrong? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:28, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: Looks correct to me (compare code on my talk page which works). I think the problem is simply that with "old(30d)", there are no messages that are eligible for archival yet since the earliest message is from 9 April 2021. Pretty sure the Wikipedia Adventure messages are not recognized by the bot because they don't have valid time stamps (i.e. timestamps like signatures). I suggest you either shorten the archive time or wait a couple of days and see if it works then. Regards SoWhy 16:38, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Alright I'll shorten it to a week and see what happens. Is there a way to have the bot bypass the length of time if there are a certain amount of messages on the page? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:40, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

I have shortened it but nothing's happened. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:42, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: Lowercase signmabot doesn't run continiously, but rather starts each day at a certain time (I couldn't find which) and runs until he has finished archiving all pages he was invited to archive. This means that it may take up to 24 hours until he notices your task to archive something. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:08, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok thank you. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: Hm. I am failing to understand why it doesn't work, given that Lowercase sigmabot III had a sucessfull run today night. Maybe Σ can tell us what we are missing? Victor Schmidt (talk) 05:19, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

help with new artical

Hi there. I've just made the following article, which was unfortunately declined. However, all the content was from independent, reliable, published sources rather than anything promotional. Do you have any tips on having this approved please? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Adore_Dance_London Joeadore (talk) 11:16, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Joeadore. Unfortunately your draft is rather promotional and fails to demonstrate 'Notability'and really has no place here on Wikipedia . It will probably be deleted shortly, I'm afraid. If every business were to claim an article on the basis that local papers mentioned it once or twice, we'd be snided out with entries, and this website would look more like Yellow Pages than an encyclopaedia. In future, please read this guide about determining businesses notability. I'm sorry to disappoint you on this occasion, but the failure to gain an article on Wikipedia is no reflection on your business itself. Good luck with it. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:37, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

geetha serial information not elaborated

I m senthil.Big fan of Colors Kannada serials.you didnt do detailed information of Geetha serial airing currently in Colors kannada channel.you did for all serials exccpt this.please do detailed information on this serial.like when I click on Geetha it should link to information page similar to other serials.please do it as early as possible. Sallu2000 (talk) 11:20, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Sallu2000. Unfortunately your post here has no context and is rather hard to understand, so nobody can act upon it. If you have concerns about information missing in an article, please post your request on the 'Talk page' of that individual article. That way, other editors interested in the topic will see it. It also helps if you can supply a link to any sources of any information you want adding. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:32, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

in colors kannada page.there is no detailed information on Geetha (no link for that name when i type.last edited by username Anij2443.trying to contact him but couldnt do.please help with my situation.as a fans request. Sallu2000 (talk) 12:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sallu2000. If you are asking about an article on the Kannada Wikipedia, you will need to ask there. Each language edition of Wikipedia is an entirely separate project, and there is probably nobody here familiar with that Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 12:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Sallu2000, if you have a suggestion or request for the article Colors Kannada, then please post it at Talk:Colors Kannada. -- Hoary (talk) 12:34, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Continious edit requirements on article

I have my article in my Sandbox and have been editing it but the edit option is continuously apperaing what could be wrong with my article? Please help ChabbieCee (talk) 09:21, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@ChabbieCee: I don't understand what you mean by "edit requirements". I can access and edit User:ChabbieCee/sandbox. The "edit" button on the top right will always be there, like on every article, because Wikipedia can be edited by anybody. Could you elaborate on what your problem is? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 09:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

If you are trying to find out what to do to your draft in the hope of having it published as a mainspace article, you ought to read the advice at WP:Your first article, and also read the WP:Manual of Style. When you have updated your draft into a state fit for submission to the AFC process, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:44, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I might have failed to express what i really meant in the question so may i request that somebody looks at my Sandbox article Susan Chenjerai . my questions is based on the topic Susan Chenjerai that needs an edit, Background and Music and acting career that also needs an edit. Thank hope I ma clear this time. ChabbieCee (talk) 10:49, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I cleaned it up a bit, but still needs work. David notMD (talk) 12:18, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi ChabbieCee. I don't understand why this person is described as "of the 1950s generation" (whatever that means) and at the same time "believed to be in her 80s". Believed by whom? Anyway, if she was born in the 1950s she would now be in her sixties or early seventies.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:56, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Is making a wikipedia page for a friend a COI?

All, I'm still very new to the site, and I'm starting to get the hang of adding edits, but I haven't yet taken the plunge into creating a new page. I read the conflict of interest rules, and I wasn't quite sure if they applied to the situation where I want to create a page for a friend. He's not paying me, and in fact I sometimes donate to his non-profit, but I wanted to make sure our friendship wouldn't constitute a conflict of interest. His work has been featured extensively around the world in hundreds of news articles, so I think he definitely is notable enough for the page, but I didn't want to create it without checking. Would really appreciate any thoughts/guidance. NerdOfAllTrades42 (talk) 14:17, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello NerdOfAllTrades42 and welcome to the Teahouse. As stated at WP:COI "You should generally refrain from creating articles about yourself, or anyone you know". If you still want to proceed, please make sure you follow the guidance there, and remember that An article about your friend isn't necessarily a good thing.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:47, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

NerdOfAllTrades42, you can use the Articles for Creation process, which is OK for an editor with a declared conflict of interest. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:57, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Nepotism

I am a fan of Indian rapper Emiway Bantai. So I searched on Wikipedia to make him, I got the protection by his main title administrators. It is normal that when an article can not prove its notice, the administrators protect him for some time or forever. Then I got a draft of Emiway Bantai Draft:Emiway. I made some improvements in it and submitted for review. An experienced user Dan arndt's contribution on the second day Draft got. He really did a lot of notable work. He added all the reliable and notable sources on the draft and made him notable. Then a NPR had also accepted the AFC but he took a shortage of sources in the discography section of the article so he moved back to his draft space. I did not feel bad about this. I put the sources to fulfill and back review. Later I talked about this topic, he told me that I would like to move it to its Man Space Emiway Bantai. Due to the protection by the main title administrator, he also made the administrator message (read talk message) to the administrator to reduce the protection level of the main title. After a while, a NPR made him dickel that it is read like advertising. Then I improved it and put it back for review. After a while, another user made him dickel that it recently discussed the deletion discussion that it is not yet to be formed. What is this reason? OK assumed that this reason is important. So it is not important that there were free and reliable sources on the draft and also cover musical notability? I again made a lot of time by improving it in it. After a while, he has rejected him as an experienced, great, scholar, wise man, that Topic is not a notable and is read. I got very angry at that time. When I talked to that great person on this topic, he refused to remove the reject notice and started accusing me why do you keep it so interested in making it? It happened many times so I have never made an account. I show you a lot of articles in which there is not a source that passes GNG. And are also approved by the critics. There is a question on them, but the questions are raised on it which gives strong and freely source. What is this nepotism? Many users will be angry with my words but I have told the truth. 2402:3A80:10CA:7818:4405:2454:998D:BEC8 (talk) 15:21, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

If a topic is not notable, then it is not notable. If other users say that something is not notable then you cannot just try creating the page again and again with no improvement, especially when it contains copyright violations and other issues. When you don't understand the feedback you've been given, you need to ask the people who gave you it. The few volunteers we have working in the area of approving/declining drafts have to manage hundreds to thousands of drafts, so they do not have much time, and if they ask you questions like "Are you associated with Emiway?", it's not an insult—it's because 9 out of 10 times they ask somebody the question, the answer is "yes". If you can name some examples of articles that you think do not pass GNG then I can look at them and see whether I agree, and if so, nominate them for deletion. — Bilorv (talk) 16:32, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

How Many References Does One Need for a Biography of Living Person

I am curious to know if there is a minimum number of references for a biography of living person in Wikipedia as I have noticed how several times my drafts have been marked for insufficient references which I have compared to other approved articles which have lesser references but were approved. Is there a specific number of references required to get a draft approved? If yes, how many please? I have read the notability policy but get confused after finding articles with just 5 or less references approved while my drafts have more but is declined. Thanks for the response. Bibihans (talk) 17:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)Bibihans Bibihans (talk) 17:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Bibihans. There is no magic number because the quality of the sources is far more important than the quantity. If a person is the subject of a book length biography issued by a major publisher and a ten page profile in a major magazine, then those two are probably enough. On the other hand, twenty passing mentions, name checks, instances of coverage in unreliable sources or sources that lack independence would not be enough. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:16, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Cullen328:. This is really helpful. User talk:Bibihans

Account confirmation

I want to know how many days does it take for the text account to be confirmed? Mahsaghazanfari20 (talk) 17:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mahsaghazanfari20. A new account becomes autoconfirmed after it has been open for at least four full days, and has made at least ten edits. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:19, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Editing advice

Good day, my name is pieter de jong, and I create a wikipedia account a short while ago. I am very interested in the oil & gas industry, and the submarine sector. That is why I would really like to publish pages related to these topics. Unfortunately, my first page creation got declined. I would love to create pages, and start reviewing pages, but since my first page got declined, is there anybody that could help me out making sure my articles will be of good quality?

Thnx in advance! Dejongpieter (talk) 13:27, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Declined (what happened to Draft:Subsea Global Solutions), is not as severe as Rejected or Speedy deleted for being entirely promotional, but in glancing at your draft, so much of the content and referencing was about financial dealings. That contributes nothing to notability. From the reviewer's comments: "...that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject." One piece of advice commonly made at Teahouse is to gain experience by improving existing articles before trying to create a new article. David notMD (talk) 14:23, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Dejongpieter, you have made just two edits to mainspace articles, and then tried to create a new article. Creating an article is much harder than most of the things you could usefully be doing here, and often results in disappointment. If your purpose is to help improve Wikipedia, there are many better and easier ways you could go about it. Maproom (talk) 14:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Dejongpieter:, as Maproom says, writing an article on Wikipedia really is one of the very hardest things you can do here. It really does take a huge amount of time and effort, and many people's first efforts often fail. There is an English phrase 'trying to run before you can walk'. WP:Your first article is a good place to start. Also read WP:Referencing for beginners, WP:Notability, and WP:Reliable sources. As a guide to what you should be aiming for, have a look at some WP:Good articles and WP:Featured articles. Having said that, I agree with the other experienced editors here - start in little ways, for example adding information with reliable sources to existing articles, correcting spelling or other obvious mistakes, adding WP:Wikilinks etc. I started many years ago by putting lists in disambiguation pages in alphabetical order. Judging by your name, you may be from the Netherlands: it might be easier to start there if Dutch is your first language. Apologies if I'm wrong. Happy editing and best of luck, MinorProphet (talk) 18:55, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Is a image of Ethiopian artist Betty G searched via google allowed?

Hello i want to add a picture to the wikipedia page of Ethiopian artist Betty G, just a random picture using google search. The artist in question does not seem to fall under US/international copyright laws because she is from Ethiopia. Wikipedia:Non-U.S._copyrights , can i just upload a picture? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 00:15, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Dawit S Gondaria. According to the policy you linked to: it is longstanding Wikipedia policy to respect the copyright law of other nations, even if these do not have official copyright relations with the United States. What this means in practice is determined case by case, bearing in mind the goal of being able to freely distribute Wikipedia in the country an incorporated work originates from. You should be very cautious. I recommend waiting for a freely licensed photo. If you contact the performer or her management, they may be willing to provide one. Please read Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:26, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Cullen328 thank you. I was actually hoping to add pictures for a dozen of notable Ethiopian artists. In a strict sense it doesn't seem to violate any copyright laws outlined in Wikipedia? So what are the consequences if i add pictures for several Ethiopian artists? Maybe this question deserves it's own section: but does anyone on Wikipedia knows the copyright laws of Ethiopia? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:01, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Please do not try that, Dawit S Gondaria. Read this instead: Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Ethiopia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:21, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dawit S Gondaria. Regarding So what are the consequences if i add pictures for several Ethiopian artists?, I'm not sure what might happen in a WP:REALWORLD sense, and Wikipedia editors can't really give you any advice about that. In a Wikipedia or Commons sense though, the images could end up being discussed and then subsequently deleted if they're felt to be improperly licensed and there's no way to fix their licensing. What this means for you is probably not much since files are deleted all of the time, and people are going to assume it was a good faith mistake. However, if you make a habit out of uploading files with questionable or improper copyright licenses, then a Wikipedia or Commons administrator might determine that a blocking of your account is necessary. My suggestion to you would be to ask about this at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright since that's where you might find a Commons editor who knows a little bit about Ethiopian copyright law or similar situations. Providing as much information about the provenance of the files you want to upload will help in the assessment of their copyright status; so, the more specific information you can provide about an image, the better. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:43, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328 thank you for providing the link to the copyright rules of Ethiopia! I have read it, and it's seems to be clear in this section> Copyright notes Per U.S. Circ. 38a., the following countries are not a participant in the Berne Convention or any other treaty on copyright with the United States: East Timor, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Iran, Iraq, Palau, Somalia, Somaliland, and South Sudan. As such, works published by citizens of these countries in these countries are usually not subject to copyright protection outside of these countries. Hence, such works may be in the public domain in most other countries worldwide. Ofcourse i could do the decent thing and take your advice by attempting to communicate with performers to be granted permission. Maybe not so decent, but it looks like i don't have to worry about copyright violations? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 02:11, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Marchjuly for referring Village Pump, i will ask there! Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 02:11, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Dawit S Gondaria, You cannot use photos on Google taken by Ethiopian photographs on Wikipedia or Commons because pictures have to be out of copyright in both the source country and in the United States to use it. The only countries that you can take pictures from freely are the Marshall Islands and Somalia, which have no relevant copyright laws at all. Zoozaz1 talk 19:18, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

where can i get help on an ongoing article?

Im trying to write up an article about a japaneses school. I've got some stuff done but I would like to get somebody to look over it before submitting it for drafting. Its in my sandbox. I'd love to get some feedback, either here or on my talk page. Chefs-kiss (talk) 20:59, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Chefs-kiss, hello and welcome, I see your question has been left unanswered for a while now, sorry about that. Okay to answer your question, whilst some editors might agree to have a look at your article and offer you few tips on how to better edit before submitting it, one of the very essence of submitting an article (which you do by optimizing the WP:AFC process) is for questions such as the one you have just asked. If you submit your article it may be accepted and even if it is declined by an AFC reviewer(a group of editors knowledgeable about Wikipedia policies) a reason is given by the reviewer and if you follow their advice, invariably your article would be accepted. I hope this helps. Celestina007 (talk) 21:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 So I should just go ahead and submit it as a draft to get it viewed? And optimize it via the WP:AFC? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chefs-kiss (talk • contribs)

@Chefs-kiss, hello there, yes that was exactly what I meant. Celestina007 (talk) 23:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

The History section needs references. David notMD (talk) 23:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD Thnx! Will do — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chefs-kiss (talk • contribs)

@Chefs-kiss: As a reviewer myself, I have to advise you not to submit it just yet as I would certainly decline it in its current state. Of the four references you have provided, three of them are primary sources (the official website) and the last one doesn't really demonstrate the notability, as it is just a school review website. You will need to find multiple reliable sources that are independent from the school itself. If you can find these sources, I think the article has a good shot at being published. Hope that helps you, friend. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 00:52, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@EDG 543 Thanks. As a history person i thought that primary sources where the more reliable. thanks for the tip! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chefs-kiss (talk • contribs)

Chefs-kiss, primary sources can be good when used properly but, in this case, the primary sources are sources written directly by the subject in question, meaning they likely contain bias, intentionally or unbeknownst to the source. That is why we out an emphasis on including third-party sources as they don't have any financial motivation to promote the subject. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 14:52, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@Chefs-kiss:, please remember always to sign your posts with 4 tildes, ~~~~, as you did the fist time. Thanks. MinorProphet (talk) 19:56, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

hep to edit page

I am dentist who graduated from Government Dental College Mumbai. I was trying to write an article in honor of one of the legendary orthodontists who graduated from the college. Can some one help me improve the article so that we can honor him with his own wikipedia page. I have put what info I had, I'm sure there will be plenty contributions once the page is up for Dr. Hafizuddin S. Shaikh. Zorro14519 (talk) 09:27, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Zorro14519 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please note that the existence of a Wikipedia article is not meant as a way to honor someone or memorialize them; a Wikipedia article is only meant to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. You have submitted your draft for review and it is pending, but it reads like a resume and not an encyclopedia article, While you are waiting for review, please review Your First Article to learn more about Wikipedia, and you may wish to rewrite it to summarize what sources say about this person, instead of simply listing their (significant) accomplishments. 331dot (talk) 09:33, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Dr. Hafizuddin Shaikh. Needs to be completely revised into Wikipedia format, but first, need to consider if he qualifies as notable, as a well-composed draft about a non-notable person will not be accepted. It is up to you, as the creator, to make this a valid draft. Wikipedia does not allow incomplete work to be at article status, with the hope that other people will fix it later. David notMD (talk) 12:23, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Just to spell something out, Zorro14519, in Wikipedia's jargon, "notable" doesn't mean anything like "famous" or "influential" or "important" or "worthy". It only means "several pieces of significant length about the subject, written by people completely unconnected to him or her or it, have been published in Reliable sources which have good editorial standards." {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.135.95 (talk) 20:22, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

filter 1134 frequently triggering

Why is the private LTA filter 1134 showing up in AIV frequently? Dudhhr (talk) 19:20, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I do not believe that this is likely to be answered here, for two reasons 1) You need special user rights to view private filters, and not all of the respondees here have them, and 2) talking too much about the filter contetns would be inappropiate due to WP:BEANS. In general, the most likely reason this frequently triggers on AIV is that whoever LTA this is talking is frequently disrupting there. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:38, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Dudhhr, edit filters are tripped all the time - see Special:Abuselog. There is a bot that reports users who trip specified filters to AIV - normally those users require immediate blocks. Per Victor Schmidt, only administrators and a few non-admins (Edit filter helpers/managers) can view private filters, 1134 being an example, and private filters are usually private for a reason. Best, Pahunkat (talk) 20:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

How to get someone to check the article

I have a draft that has been pending for a couple of months now and have worked on the changes that were sent previously. How do I get someone to check the article? Would love to get it published this time! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Flintoclass Moichatterjee (talk) 10:17, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Moichatterjee, and welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, you'll just need to wait on that one. There are over 5,000 drafts in the queue and it could take 5 months or more for someone to get to yours. In the meantime, I'm sure there's a lot more you can help out with on Wikipedia at the Task Center if you'd like. Have a great day! Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 13:23, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Moichatterjee, there are nearly 5,500 drafts waiting for review. This backlog however is not a queue as drafts are reviewed in no particular order. It can happen after few hours, weeks or even take 5 months until a draft is reviewed. Draft Flintoclass has not been declined in a review today due it reading more like an advertisement than an encyclopedic article. It appears your interest here is mainly focused on Flintoclass and the related Flintobox. This raises some questions about conflict of interest and paid-editing. In case you have a paid relationship with the company or other forms of conflict of interest, you will need to disclose that. Thanks! – NJD-DE (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks David notMD for striking that "not". That must've been a mix-up of "has not been accepted" and "has been declined". Sorry for any confusion caused. – NJD-DE (talk) 20:42, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Is the draft article ready for submission?

Hi, Is Draft:Gilbert Étienne ready to be submitted? Vhhhhjhgy (talk) 05:40, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Vhhhhjhgy. The answer is no. You have only three references. Goodreads is user contributed so not a reliable source. Then you have a memorial by the institution he worked for, so not an independent source. The book review appears OK but you need multiple reliable, independent sources devoting significant coverage to him. Or you need to show that he meets WP:NACADEMIC. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:26, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@Vhhhhjhgy: this almost never happens, but I was able to fix your draft for you and have published it at Gilbert Étienne. It turns out that the French government funded a database of journal articles called Persee, and it (amazingly) had dozens of reviews (example) of his work in quite obscure journals. Thanks for the article. --- Possibly (talk) 09:19, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@Possibly: Wow, that's some review you cite, in immaculate French. "...la Grande-Bretagne a créé un fantastique réseau de canaux d'irrigation" such as the Sukkur barrage. "Dans cette belle étude, Gilbert Etienne nous donne tout ensemble la perspective de l'économie nationale, comme celle de l'intimité villageoise." @Vhhhhjhgy:, you are indeed fortunate to have your draft waved through to mainspace in a single day. As Possibly said, this really doesn't happen much, although I once did much the same thing some time ago. Well done all. MinorProphet (talk) 21:24, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Bugged Afc template

So I have perms to instant create/move articles, but when I moved Colonial Pipeline cyberattack to mainspace, it added a Afc template saying "This article, Colonial Pipeline cyberattack, has recently been created via the Articles for creation process." even though I bypassed the Afc process with a direct instant move like I have done for the last year. I don't want to remove it and have one of my like 30 contribution watchers get mad, so can someone who had Afc ability review the new article and remove the tag? Thanks for the help in advance. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@Elijahandskip: The template was not added when you moved the page. See the version you moved - it was there all the time, possibly just not displaying while in the Draft: namespace. --CiaPan (talk) 21:47, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

So weird. I never have seen that before in the dozens of articles I started in the last year. Good to note that it was there though. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:54, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

RE: Book-maker

Where can I find the option to print in book form? Annie2021 (talk) 22:11, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Annie2021. I'm pretty sure that that function is still withdrawn, and hasn't been available for the last couple of years. I'll try and look into it for you, though in the meantime someone with more knowledge in this area might be able to update you. It is still possible to download a single article as a PDF via the link in the left side tool bar (under print/export). Nick Moyes (talk) 22:29, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@Annie2021: I went away and though at first I might have been mistaken, though I don't think so. See Help:Books and the discussion at the bottom of its talk page to mark it as 'historic' which was strongly opposed. Yet, clicking on the link to activate the Book Creation tool displays an update on its limited functionality. Yet, there is a big blue link there to start collecting articles to make into a book. I gave it a try, added four articles, but when I tried to print the book as a pdf (at Special:Book) I was told I couldn't. Yet, the link to PediaPress still functions, and so it's possible to pay for them to print articles for you in book form, but not to make a pdf of it of your won. Why that is I have no idea, I'm afraid. Note that there are also free online tools to join multiple pdfs together for free which you can then print yourself. I hope this rather waffly answer helps you a bit! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:53, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikilink

how do I use the correct '[' when stating a link? Example: How? Please, help --2601:901:4400:3900:7455:3507:6E9D:3634 (talk) 22:44, 8 May 2021 (UTC)A user 2601:901:4400:3900:7455:3507:6E9D:3634 (talk) 22:44, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I don't understand your question: you have successfully put a wikilink in your question. What is the problem: --ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, as you did, double brackets at both ends. And, as you did, with a pipe "|" if you want it to read different from what is the actual Wikilink. David notMD (talk) 22:57, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Notability of city manager position

Is the bureaucratic position of city manager in a United States city a position of notability? Should the holder of such an office be counted as notable having only ever worked for such an office? All referencing (100%) is in local newspapers and magazines. Asking here as I am contemplating taking to AfD, but don't want to waste anyone's time there if the position is somehow inherently notable. GenQuest ^"scribble" 16:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC) GenQuest ^"scribble" 16:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Nothing is inherently notable, so ultimately it will depend on the quality, depth, and reliability of source coverage. That said, there is nothing inherently wrong with local sources if they meet the criteria for reliability and independence, and the coverage is substantial and in-depth rather than just routine blurbs. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 16:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@GenQuest: obviously I don't know which article you're referring to, but my gut reaction is to say that it's unlikely a city manager would be notable per se, and not if its only local media coverage of things he's done locally. Most coverage would be likely to be about his work, not about him, so wouldn't be that relevant. If such local coverage were acceptable, then I'd expect someone to rush to write a Wikipedia page about me - absolutely tons of local coverage in the press and media over the years about stuff I've done and said, but nothing apart from an hour long local radio interview about me, so I'm clearly not a notable subject. Though try telling that to my kids, as they'd go much further and simply say I'm a complete embarrassment and a total waste of space! But aren't all Dads? Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:14, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Can someone help me review my submitted article?

I have provided additional references and I would love to see the review. I would be glad if someone can help me trim the references to the standard of the Wikipedia and to help arrange the information template showing name, date, education, country, and occupation, please. Mountain120 (talk) 12:37, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Mountain120, if this is about Draft:Idegu Ojonugwa Shadrach, an obvious problem is that it cites no sources at all. Unless you can fix this before it's reviewed, it will certainly not be accepted. Please read Help:Referencing for beginners to learn how to cite sources. Maproom (talk) 13:16, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I am a beginner and I lack the knowledge of fixing the problem. Can't you help me fix it or help me tell other editors to help me on that, please?Mountain120 (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

The problem is not that no sources are included, but rather how they are cited. For example, "Godwin, Onyemaechi (2021-05-01). “An exclusive Chart with Idegu Ojonugwa Shadrach”. thelaurelsmag.com.ng." doesn't help anyone who wants to verify the content, as it is missing a deep URL to the page, making a seprate google search nessesary. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:21, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

• Hello and welcome @Mountain120, please start by reading WP:YFA, the article in its current state would never be accepted into mainspace. Furthermore, I caught something else, which is, you are writing an autobiography see (WP:AUTO) immediately or in the very least you are writing about someone you are very close to, although i am positive the former is the case here. Writing about yourself or someone you are close to constitutes a conflict of interest see WP:COI and whilst submitting the article through the WP:AFC process is good practice declaring that a COI is present is required as well. Generally our stance for now is writing about yourself or a friend is ”very much discouraged”. Invariably, that is a bridge we’d have to cross if at all we make it there. For now, taking 5-15 minutes to read each of these; WP:YFA, WP:REFB, WP:RS, WP:COI, WP:NPOV, WP:AUTO, & WP:CITE might prove pivotal. Celestina007 (talk) 23:18, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I had made a Wikipedia draft how can i send it for review

Sir, i had made a Draft name Draft: Rashtriya Secular Majlis Party. How can i send it for Publishing or review Iamamjad03 (talk) 07:04, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Rashtriya Secular Majlis Party Maresa63 ^Talk 07:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Iamamjad03: Draft:Rashtriya Secular Majlis Party is far from being siutable for mainspace. See WP:YFA for more information. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:36, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Before you continue, Iamamjad03: Why do you write "you" and "we" in your draft? (As a start towards answering this: Who do you intend "you" to refer to, and who do you intend "we" to refer to?) -- Hoary (talk) 08:09, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Check it now. I had made citations.

I suggest that you check other articles of political parties. For instance, there is the case of Bahujan Samaj Party. This page should give you an idea as to the appropriate format, tone, and content acceptable in Wikipedia. I checked your draft and it appears you are yet to fill your sections with content. Regards, Darwin Naz (talk) 01:33, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

does the teahouse welcome new guests?

Does the teahouse welcome in their invites? Ollhg87 (talk) 01:37, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

It most certainly does. Welcome! This is the place to discuss all sorts of thinks about wikipedia. --Bduke (talk) 01:39, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Mohd Kaif Mewati

Why my page deleted again and again Mohd Kaif Mewati (talk) 22:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

See the notes on your talk page: User_talk:Mohd_Kaif_Mewati RudolfRed (talk) 22:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mohf Kaif Mewati. When an article you have tried to write has been deleted six times it is a pretty good bet that it is simply not an appropriate subject for Wikipedia. As I am not an admin, I can't look at the deleted drafts; but since they seem to have the same name as your user account, it seems likely that you are trying to write an article about yourself. This is a thoroughly bad idea, because Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. To successfully write about yourself, you would need to find those independent sources, forget everything you know about yourself, and write based only on what those independent sources say about you: most people cannot do this. Please see Autobiography and notability. --ColinFine (talk) 22:47, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

As an admin, I can confirm that Mohd Kaif Mewati has been deleted 3 times and appears to be autobiographical in nature and this also applies to the twice deleted user page, based on the username of the account on hand. @Mohd Kaif Mewati: Please cease its recreation immediately at any location and review the advise given above by ColinFine before proceeding with further edits. Further disruption and failure to get the point could very well result in a loss of editing privileges; as is, Mohd Kaif Mewati has been restricted so that only editors who are extended confirmed can recreate it (as an addendum: do not try to get around this by gaming the system or I will increase its protection to admin only and you will be blocked).

However, with that said, if you have any questions about policy, notability, etc. we are more than happy to assist and help to answer them. I do remember how it was confusing to navigate when I first started editing Wikipedia in 2017 and the users who helped me overcome that hurdle; I do like to pay it forward when I can, as do most of us here. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 04:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

How do I get out of the sandbox?

Hello - I am trying to get the write-up for my movie, "Music in Monk Time", out of the Sandbox and into Wikipedia circulation. I have been working on it for about 8 months and multiple edits. The film will finally be broadcast in the U.S. in a little more than a month. It is very important to me to get out of the Sandbox and into Wikipedia ASAP. Thank you! Thedevoutcatalyst Thedevoutcatalyst (talk) 23:44, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Thedevoutcatalyst Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to have a common misconception about what Wikipedia is. It is not a place to merely tell about something, and has no interest in helping to spread the word about something like a film. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and as such Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic(like a film), showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable film. Wikipedia is not interested in what a subject wants to say about itself. In addition, you have a conflict of interest. You may submit a draft, however, using Articles for creation. Please read Your first article. 331dot (talk) 23:51, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@Thedevoutcatalyst, you are definitely referencing this, unfortunately there’s going to be a huge stagnancy at this juncture. As 331dot correctly implied, Wikipedia isn’t an indiscriminate collection of every and all articles. There are so many problems with the article both fundamentally and technically. Many editors have to be involved with this question, if I may ask, in the said 8 months did you reach out to any editor for help regarding the article? because if you did, they might have told you that you were working with a wrong assumption. Celestina007 (talk) 00:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

I have a different assessment. This film was reviewed by renowned jazz critics Leonard Feather and Philip Elwood (somebody should write a biography of him). A Google Books search for "music in monk time" shows that the film was covered in at least 19 music magazines and books in the 1980s. This is clearly a notable documentary film about one of the greatest jazz musicians. The biggest problem is not notabity, but rather that the draft is full of unreferenced original research. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:16, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello again - I must say, for the uninitiated, Wikipedia is very difficult to figure out. A man named Alan1 helped me link the references for the reviews and I have many more of them, but I had no idea what the process was or how to contact an editor. I simply stumbled onto Teahouse. When I first started writing this, it was just to acknowledge that the film existed. The fact that "Music in Monk Time" finally about to be seen in the U.S. after 38 years is a strange circumstance due to COVID and the inability of SF Jazz to continue with live jazz shows. I NEVER considered this a vehicle to promote the film. I would be happy to comply with Wikipedia standards. I'm willing to devote the needed time, and I guess it will take as long as it takes. Now do I put the tildes in? Thedevoutcatalyst (talk) 02:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@Thedevoutcatalyst: I remember how confusing Wikipedia was when I first started editing in 2017. I have taken a look at the draft in your sandbox and have made a couple of edits to it to help you out, including fixing up the three references currently included. I have also added "citation needed" tags to the draft to assist with where citations are needed, but in short: they are missing in the vast majority of the draft. I may keep poking away at assisting with it. I would recommend reviewing this guide to referencing for beginners, this guide to creating your first article, and this interactive guide that shows the basics of editing. If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to us. We are happy to help! --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 05:22, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

What to do if I want to use two different sources from same author, published in the same year

Hello admins, I have a question:

• I am recently expanding the article Chandra, but there's one problem.
• I want to use {{sfn}} but there are two different sources, written by the same author (Roshen Dalal). Surprisingly, both the books are published in 2010.
• Now how should I use {{sfn}} for both the sources:
  • Dalal, Roshen (2010). The Religions of India: A Concise Guide to Nine Major Faiths. Penguin Books India. ISBN 978-0-14-341517-6.

• • Dalal, Roshen (2010). Hinduism: An Alphabetical Guide. Penguin Books India. p. 394. ISBN 978-0-14-341421-6.

Please tell me what to do. .245CMR.•^👥📜 07:28, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

What to do is explained here. It doesn't explain which should be "a" and which "b"; but this really doesn't matter (you can choose by flipping a coin, if you wish). -- Hoary (talk) 07:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: Thank you .245CMR.•^👥📜

Updating my village name in the globe and google map Pim Code 45705

This is 1000s of years old village of Nepal in Mahottari District with pin code 45705. is missing but the village is there in MAP with lebel that is Name. Its a land Mark Bardaha Got Bardaha Nepal (talk) 10:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Bardaha Nepal and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't tell which article you mean. If you are referring to a specific Wikipedia article, then the place to suggest corrections is the talk page of that article. Please include a reliable source for your assertion. --Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:24, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

If you live in the village yourself then you might want to take a look at WP:COI. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 12:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Someone writing about the city/town/village in which they live is not typically a conflict of interest issue. DanCherek (talk) 13:06, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Sometimes it is. I'll continue this on your talk page @DanCherek: Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

[6] says 45705 is Matihani, is it near there? The only Bardaha I found on Google Maps is near Itaharwa 45600. (Ignoring the one in Bihar.) ... Oh, wait, OpenStreetMap has this (at 26.6510241, 85.8728466 degrees lat–long), about 5km NNE of Matihani, Mahottari (which is near the Bihar border), and 2km east of Dhirapur. OSM shows it within the Dhirapur local-government border. Pelagic ( messages ) – (19:37 Sun 09, AEST) 09:37, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Oops, forgot to ping @Bardaha Nepal. Pelagic ( messages ) – (20:43 Sun 09, AEST) 10:43, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Changes on User Page

Is it necessary to write a edit summary for editing your own user page? I have writing a summary for each one, but I wish to know whether or not it is an absolute necessity. Thanks! InevitableOwl talk 18:19, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Not really since as long as it's just you editing your userpage and not someone else, people won't check the edits that much. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:32, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

(Also just a quick note, it would be a good idea to have the InevitableOwl part of your username link to your userpage) Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:33, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

• Hello @InevitableOwl, thanks for asking this question. Please it is always good practice to provide an edit summary no matter how insignificant you feel the change(s) were. Thanks. Celestina007 (talk) 19:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@InevitableOwl:, I just put 'ce', short for 'copy edit', unless there's anything else to add. Plus, if you don't put an edit summary, you have to click 'Publish' again, which is somehow annoying. MinorProphet (talk) 19:14, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@InevitableOwl: I would do it more for my own benefit than anyone else's, in case I wanted to find something in my own history. Pelagic ( messages ) – (21:00 Sun 09, AEST) 11:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

New article and redirs that I can't quite work out

Hi — another editor (@Clock at 13: courtesy ping) recently created an article on The High Fives Gang, plus a new redir from Black Jack Christian to existing article at High Fives Gang (rather confusingly titled that, but actually more about Black Jack Christian). There are also pre-existing redirs to the latter article, from variations of the gang name. I don't know whether I should propose a merger of the two articles, or just sort out the redirs, or something else? Part of the problem here is the mismatch between the title and content of High Fives Gang. Also, it's not obvious to me whether Mr Christian and his gang warrant two separate articles or should be merged. Anyone care to take a look and suggest a solution? Thanks, DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:11, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Schierer von Waldheim

Dear Sirs, for many years my family had an English speaking Wikipedia Page on the century old history of the Schierer family. It was a subpage of the folder "Scherer" called "Schierer formerly Schierer von Walthaimb von Falkenau". As this family invented the blue coloring of glass in the 15th century and was purveyor for many centuries to royal housholds and had quite a number of notable members we were a little bit estonished to see this page disapear and kindly ask you to enlighten us on the circumstances or maybe reasons on deleting this page. We thank you very much for your kind attention and remain, Yours sincerely, The Schierer family Schierer von Waldhaimb zu Falknov (talk) 18:52, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Schierer von Waldhaimb zu Falknov: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. From looking at the page history, I saw you put a thing about the family's history and all that. Pages like these are lists, not like an article to write about the family.If you would like to put the members of the family, then put them on the page just like how the other people are placed on the list. Also, please only put links to the family members that have articles on the English Wikipedia. max20characters 🇺🇸 19:12, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Schierer von Waldhaimb zu Falknov: To add onto the above, keep in mind that writing an article about your family is an example of conflict of interest editing and is very strongly discouraged. You can learn more about COI editing at the plain and simple conflict of interest guide and more in-depth at WP:COI. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 19:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Schierer von Waldhaimb zu Falknov: That section on your family was removed [

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scherer&type=revision&diff=971182251&oldid=970184736&diffmode=source in this set of edits] by User:Klaus-Rudolf Ficker in August 2020. I tend to agree with the edits, and feel that the Scherer page as not the right place for all that extended content. If it is truly a notable family name, then one single link from that page (to help disambiguate the name) to a page entitled Schierer might be acceptable. The content has not been lost, just deleted, so you could retrieve it, construct a draft article and submit it to Articles for Creation. You do have a very obvious, undeclared Conflict of Interest, and I see you were the creator of a similar article on French Wikipedia. You should follow the guidelines at WP:COI for declaring that conflict issue. Our rules differ on en-wiki, so it's important that properly published and available sources are used to create an encyclopaedia page and that Wikipedia is not treated like an Ancestry.com entry, pulling all sorts of hearsay and unsubstantiated content together. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:12, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Compare w:de:Schürer (Glasmacher). Whereas the French article w:fr:Schierer (von Walthaimb zu Falkenau) says Paul invented the blue cobalt colouring, the German one says it was Christoph. —Pelagic ( messages ) – (21:36 Sun 09, AEST) 11:36, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Law or just start with a band of friends?

I'm interested in helping revise the painfully shoddy articles on Indian law and caselaw as they stand. It's an incredibly rich field of material that has weird Sections, sometimes inaccurate information, and a terrible mass of missing articles with improper citations. I'm happy to fix this one article a day but I'm wondering whether there are any standards for these articles, or templates for law articles that are from India in particular, and if there are any reform projects of this kind that already exist that I can refer to. Thanks! Semanticz0 (talk) 05:11, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! Thank you for your interst in helping out with Indian Law and case law! As per your question, you will have to stick to wikipeida guidelines off course, furthermore you might want to look in the WikiProject law page for further info on standards! Have a good day Trains2050 (talk) 05:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I went ahead with some edits, and saw that the Infobox for SCI cases was listed for merging with the Infobox for Court cases. I went ahead and altered all the SCI case transclusions to Courtcase transclusions to make the merge possible. What's the next step? Who do I notify? Semanticz0 (talk) 12:53, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll get on it. Semanticz0 (talk) 06:14, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@Semanticz0: As is with real life, your best bet is to observe and learn and then if you feel you have anything to contribute, you can go from there. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:35, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

I'll keep that in mind, Tim Semanticz0 (talk) 06:41, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I went ahead with some edits, and saw that the Infobox for SCI cases was listed for merging with the Infobox for Court cases. I went ahead and altered all the SCI case transclusions to Courtcase transclusions to make the merge possible. What's the next step? Who do I notify? Semanticz0 (talk) 12:53, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Adivse on the article

Draft:Tony Chittettukalam can you please give me some advise to improve the article. Also can you comment on the chances of getting approval for this article. Ajaysnair112233 (talk) 13:17, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

The genres may be various, but isn't it worth specifying them? If he does all these things, what has been said (in reliable sources, of course) about what he has done? The infobox says that he's "Known for Lifeline Group of Companies"; it's very odd then that this doesn't seem to be mentioned in the article text. -- Hoary (talk) 13:40, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Why am I getting warnings for no reason?

I am get warnings from Throadislong saying I am ruining work on Teahouse. The only thing I was doing was answering questions. Can somebody tell me why Theroadislong is warning me? DavidPlayzYT (talk) 16:52, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

You have given incorrect advice and your edits have become disruptive, please stop. Theroadislong (talk) 16:54, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

DavidPlayzYT, you do not yet have the experience or the knowledge to answer questions here at the Teahouse. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:58, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, on your User page, you have posted that you have received eight Teahouse-related badges. None of that is true. Please remove false content from your User page. David notMD (talk) 20:50, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Including the Userboxes that state you are a Teahouse host and an AfC reviewer. Qualified AfC reviewers are needed, but given that most of your article edits were reverted and you have never created an article, it is also premature for you to be active at AfC. Among other criteria, reviewers must have a Wikipedia account at least 90 days old and a minimum of 500 undeleted edits to articles. David notMD (talk) 20:53, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: DavidPlayzYT: An editor removed the Teahouse badge icons. Up to you now to remove the AfC reviewer Userboxes. One hopes in time that you will become an experienced Wikipedia editor and you can consider becoming an AfC reviewer. David notMD (talk) 22:53, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

(talk) I shall delete the account instead. This is the last you shall see of me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidPlayzYT (talk • contribs) 14:15, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

User sub page

Hello! I have a question. Is it possible to make a page in which I could have links to all the articles I have made? I know there is x.tools and my sandbox, but I was thinking of making a page called User:Paul Vaurie/Articles or something like that. Am I allowed to create this type of page? Paul Vaurie (talk) 14:28, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Paul Vaurie, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you certainly are. You may create as many user subpages as you like, as long as they satisfy UPYES. --ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:06, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

not able to post article

Arjun verma moved to draftspace An article you recently created, Arjun verma, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Arjunavish (talk) 15:39, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link to draft Draft:Arjun verma. Theroadislong (talk) 15:41, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Arjunavish. What is your question? The reasons for declining your daft are explained in the notice at the top of the page. This is an encyclopaedia of Notable things, and the following style of writing has absolutely no place here whatsoever.: "..at mere age of 17, is today a brand personality who considers his work as a divination of pure aura." In addition, please find good quality, reliable and independent sources (avoiding interviews with the subject themselves). And if you are connected with the subject in any way, please follow the instructions at this 'Conflict of Interest' page. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:53, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Help on Article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Paul_Khavari

My article has been rejected again and because of not enough reputable sources. Ido think that that is not the case since all the article I used as sources are from pubmed and other sources that can be checked. I did use definition of general items with Wikipedia and Iam not sure if that is what raising the flag. Any help is much appreciated. Mikip1015 (talk) 15:17, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Mikip1015, welcome to the Teahouse.
Your draft wasn't rejected due to the lack of reliable sources, but due to the lack of inline citations for contentious content. Wikipedia requires that all articles about living persons have a reliably sourced inline citation for every contentious claim. The subject appears to be notable, and all you have to do is either find reliable source for the content that does not have an inline citation, or just remove it. Hope this helps! — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 15:20, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Your draft has been declined NOT rejected, it could use some independent secondary sourcing, all your sources are to his own work also we don't use any external links in the body of an article please remove, some of them may be suitable for use as references though. Theroadislong (talk) 15:22, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I will take a look and remove the inline citation or find reputable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikip1015 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Mikip1015 - References to work conducted in his laboratory do not contribute to establishing his notability. David notMD (talk) 16:45, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Question

Why are you preventing me to edit on the sponge one the run page? Pizzafan300 (talk) 16:40, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: The SpongeBob Movie: Sponge on the Run. Explained to you on your Talk page, including warning that you are risking being indefinitely blocked. The hosts here at Teahouse help editors who have question about how to edit, not about contentious content changes. David notMD (talk) 16:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

How about you stop trying to change the article to have it your way and focussing on the D part of WP:BRD now? You probbably are going to need to have some reliable sources ready for citing (amazon isn't) and should take a deep view into WP:AGF beforehand. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:58, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Hi, I have tried following the guidelines provided to my knowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:H._Balasubramaniam is denied for not having reliable sources. I have provided links including government of India site which has mentioned his name for receiving presidential award. I have linked his publications. I am not sure what else I would need to provide. Please help. Thank you 2600:8800:169C:8900:7D39:5D60:319F:E49C (talk) 16:51, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. "Mention his name" is not enough. (It might be enough for substantiating some particular information in an article when notability is already demonstrated). For sources to contribute to notability, they must be all three of reliable|, independent|, and containing significant coverage of the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Profile picture

How to know if the author gives permission to use their work or not? I want to change the profile picture of some singers Defsshhxx (talk) 16:34, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@Defsshhxx: Wikipedia does not contain "profiles", Wikipedia has articles. Wikipedia assumes images are copyrighted and therefore cannot be used unless there is specific evidence otherwise and the license the image is under is one of the accepted ones. Because the subjects are still living (or at least I assume so), uploading them under Fair Use is not an option, because Wikipedia's fair use criteria require that no free alternate could be created, which is almost never the case for living persons, since theoretically someone can go and take one. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:42, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@Defsshhxx: You can always contact them and ask them for a photo, and share this link. Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries. I've been able to get photos for some articles this way, but don't be upset if they don't respond. The permission verbiage throws some people off. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:46, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Peacockery

Can someone explain what peacocky is? I'm accused of it by another editor. Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 23:43, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cheryl Fullerton: Check out WP:PEACOCK. In a nutshell, it means you are not using neutral language in the article. RudolfRed (talk) 23:58, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I thought I was stating facts with reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheryl Fullerton (talk • contribs) 00:01, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Cheryl Fullerton, a source might be reliable, and present correct facts, but describe them in non-neutral terms that stem from a positive (or negative) judgement of the subject's qualities.

For example, if John Doe donates a million dollars to Charity X, a reliable source such as a reputable newspaper might refer to ". . . the generous and benevolent action of this selfless donor . . . ." The fact is that John Doe donated $1m to Charity X. The generosity, etc., is the newspaper's value judgement, which might be mistaken (it was secretly a tax dodge or money-laundering operation, and John Doe is a cold, cynical, self-interested crook).

Wikipedia strives to include only the bare facts, without the peacockery. My fictional example was extreme and exaggerated, but in more realistic instances separating the facts from the (often unconscious) positive (or negative) value judgements can be quite difficult. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.125.73.196 (talk) 21:26, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

What to do when someone doesn't engage in comments?

Hey there, I am trying to avoid an edit war. I am a relatively new editor and have been editing a local politicians page, particularly removing unsubstantiated information. Someone keeps reverting the page back after I make changes and hasn't engaged in any discussions on the talk page, or my messages on their talk page. Is there any other way to engage with them? The article in question is on Sam Cho

Thanks! Elah cix (talk) 21:06, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@Elah cix: Try using the template {{yo|User name here}} . For example, that is how I notified you. Note - I am not a Teahouse contributor, in fact I asked the question above, however I knew how to answer this question. EvanTaylor1289 (talk) 21:22, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

STATUS: Edit warring has been going on since 27 April 2021, first as IP, then as Elah cix. Opposing editor is Misoaqua98, who has been editing that article since September 2020. Elah cix started a discussion on article's Talk page in late April. Misoagua98 has not participated. David notMD (talk) 21:56, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Encyclopedia.com

Can encyclopedia.com be used as a reference for facts such as date of birth and education? David notMD (talk) 21:50, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: weird seeing you asking rather than answering here! Yes, Encyclopedia.com generally reproduces reliable, published works on license (as I understand it). It can take some effort to derive the sources sometimes so as to reference them as thoroughly as possible, but it's reliable. I used it most recently myself with ref 13 on The Scorpion God. If there's a particular case you have in mind I don't mind doing a bit of digging › Mortee _talk 22:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Slightly surprised it's not on the perennial sources list. Perhaps others will weigh in › Mortee _talk 22:28, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Save a draft...

Hello, I am creating a Wiki page for the first time. Is there a way to leave my page construction in progress? That is, can I save a draft and return to my efforts later? KGlad13 (talk) 22:59, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@KGlad13: Yes - you can save it in your sandbox. Click the sandbox link at the top of the page when you are logged in. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:01, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

What may well have confused you, KGlad13 is the lack of any obvious alternative to "Publish changes". But "publishing" in that context just means "saving (and allowing others to see this)". So when you want to save, you should "publish" -- and as Timtempleton says, while editing your "sandbox". That said, I'd strongly advise you to work on existing articles before launching a draft of your own. -- Hoary (talk) 23:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you kindly These comments were very helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KGlad13 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi.

I am a new Wikipedia user, and I am being falsely accused of being someone else, even tho I’m not. What can I do?  Rui Beech (talk) 00:35, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Rui Beech The accusation was not created out of whole cloth. If it's not true, then think about why someone might think that and address it. Personally, I can't say I disagree. Better to be honest. 331dot (talk) 00:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Remember when Epictrex wrote this Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1104#What should I do if I am being falsely accused of sock puppetry on Wikipedia? Can I get into legal trouble for anything I do on Wikipedia?. This question, written so similarly to Epictrex, is literally even more evidence. For anyone interested, User:Epictrex is currently under a 3 month block, that they are nearly 2 days in to at this point. Heiro 00:47, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

What's the process for upgrading an article?

I have been reading wikipedia for as long as I can remember and I have always wanted to know how does an article move from good, featured, etc? And how are articles downgraded alike? Caustic3 (talk) 00:06, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

@Caustic3: Copied from Wikipedia:Good articles/Summary:

The process for designating an article as a good article is intentionally straightforward. Any editor, preferably one who creates or contributes to an article, who believes that the article meets the good article criteria, may nominate the article for an impartial reviewer to assess. Another editor may review the article after selecting it from a queue of good article nominations then evaluating it against the good article criteria. If it is accepted by the reviewer, the nominated article is added to the list of good articles below. Anyone may nominate or review an article by following the instructions. Similarly, anyone who believes that an article no longer meets the good article criteria may propose to delist it by following the instructions for reassessment.

The process is mostly the same for featured articles:

Before being listed here, articles are reviewed as featured article candidates for accuracy, neutrality, completeness, and style according to our featured article criteria. ... Articles that no longer meet the criteria can be proposed for improvement or removal at featured article review.

Kleinpecan (talk) 01:35, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Accused of being another Wikipedia user

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

(Non-administrator comment) As pointed out by Mortee, this is currently being discussed at WP:ANI; so, there's not much more that can be done about it here at the Teahouse since trying to do so would fall outside of the scope of the Teahouse. The OP and Heironymous Rowe are both encouraged to further clarify or explain their respective sides of the story at ANI. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

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Why am I being falsely accused of being another Wikipedia user when I’m not? It’s all because I made an edit to a Draft Page? And everyone is blindly accusing me of being this user called Epictrex.  Rui Beech (talk) 00:57, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Rui Beech, welcome to the Teahouse. It looks to me like you're a new user whose first edits were to a draft, which is a little unusual. Because that draft was made by a user who has since been blocked, Heironymous Rowe suspects you're the same person. That's been brought up at WP:ANI. It seems to me that that WP:SPI is the likely next step, but if you just happened to come across that draft and felt compelled to edit it, explaining how that came about might be helpful just now. If this is somehow a misunderstanding then welcome to Wikipedia! It must be a dramatic introduction! › Mortee _talk 01:34, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

EC. Fuck EC AGAIN. Look at the link I provided in the section above this one. It is now much more than those 2 edits to a draft that a brand new user shouldn't be able to find. If this isn't Epictrex, it's someone doing an awfully good job of deliberately imitating their manners, speech, and finding their favorite pages to post on. Heiro 01:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

family name sort

hello, I created page Jang_Minho. his family name is jang and first name is Minho. He's categorized with his first name. for example, 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Trot_singers' He's under 'M' not 'J' The other singers with family name Jang are under 'J'. How can I fix this? Vanilie (talk) 05:23, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Vanilie. Please read Template:DEFAULTSORT. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:34, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Vanilie: have a look at Template:DEFAULTSORT. Victor Schmidt (talk) 05:36, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Vanilie. I think you'll find the answer to your question at WP:DEFAULTSORT; basically, you'll need to tell the software to sort this person's name a particular way. try tweaking the {{DEFAULTSORT}} template's syntax from {{DEFAULTSORT:Minho, Jang}} to {{DEFAULTSORT:Jang, Minho}}. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:56, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! it worked! I changed {{DEFAULTSORT:Jang, Minho}}. Vanilie (talk) 06:36, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Re: HappinessFactor page

Hello, I created a page for Happinessfactor & got notified that it is getting deleted as its selling something but I am not selling anything in this page, just writing about he startup. I need help rewording it so it get published.

Thanks, HappinessFactor (talk) 00:59, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

You clearly have a conflict of interest, so leave it for someone else to write the article. You could list some independent sources here to assist other editors. --Bduke (talk) 01:07, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi HappinessFactor. Your choice of username and the fact that you're trying to create an article about a startup named "Happiness Factor" is giving a very strong appearance of a conflict of interest. Does this mean that you are prohbitted from trying to create and article about the app yourself? No, but it might mean that you're not really the best person to try and do so. Please take a look at the following Wikipedia pages: Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Notability, Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. The first four pages will give you some basic information about what things are going to be expected from anyone trying to create an article about this startup, while the last two will explain some things about what the Wikipedia community expects from editors who are connected to the subjects they're trying to create or edit content about. Familiarizing you with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines will make it easier for you to figure out whether Wikipedia is the the best place to try and create content about this startup. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

@HappinessFactor: To emphasise a point made by Marchjuly, organisations that are startups are very unlikely to be notable as is. It could potentially become so in the future as it expands and independent sources talk about it, but that should be done by someone unaffiliated by the company. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, HappinessFactor, and welcome to the Teahouse. On Wikipedia, promotion is a wider concept than "selling something": it refers to any content whose purpose is telling the world about something. Perhaps paradoxically, Wikipedia isn't for telling the world about anything, unless the world has already been told about that thing - in other words, that the thing is notable. Amother way of thinking about this is to notice that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If there aren't enough such independepent reliable sources, then there is literally nothing that can go in an article. --ColinFine (talk) 08:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

What format for footnotes is best?

When I began writing and editing Wikipedia articles, I inserted footnotes as I would in writing a hard-copy book or article, e.g. in the first footnote, a full citation of author's name, title, publisher, date, etc.; in the second and subsequent footnotes from the same source, author's last name, and page no. only.

A year or so ago, I began to use the sfn format, but I began to get error messages like this: sfn error: multiple targets (2×). The problem was explained to me by another editor, so I've conquered that problem (maybe).

My question is: what advantage is there to using the sfn format? Or any other format template? Why shouldn't I go back to the traditional hard-copy method of footnotes which seems simpler and less error prone than diddling with sfn or other templates. I'll stick with sfn if somebody can tell me why I should. Smallchief (talk) 10:53, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Your questions are reasonable, but there are a lot of them. I'll take one: Why shouldn't you go back to "the traditional hard-copy method" of "in the first footnote, a full citation of author's name, title, publisher, date, etc.; in the second and subsequent footnotes from the same source, author's last name, and page no. only"? First, because if I see in one reference "Barker 1998, 29", finding among the earlier references what "Barker 1998" is can be a bit of a pain. Secondly, because preceding the note saying "Alonzo Barker, Prolegomenon to the Morphology of Pali (Leiden: Brill, 1988; ISBN [blah blah])" with another reference to the same work would require shifting the full deets to the new place: a further complication. Thirdly, because articles are, in principle, created by many contributors, and many will be surprised, or worse, by your use of your preferred method. This is not to say that I'm a big fan of WP's preferred flavour of the Vancouver system. Since references appear in order of first appearances rather than order of authors' names, I've no idea why a reference should start "Marx, Karl" rather than "Karl Marx". Also, the system is poorly designed for references to different pages (or page spans) within the same long work. -- Hoary (talk) 13:05, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Hi, @Smallchief: Thanks for asking. <Mounts hobbyhorse> Short answer: there is no particular advantage. Both methods have equally good arguments for and against. Long answer: Manual ('hard copy') refs are simply easier to create and need no debugging. Likewise, bibliographies can be constructed by hand without {{cite book}} etc. On the other hand, the template-driven {{sfn}}s can connect automatically to {cite book}, {cite journal} etc, without all this <ref name="Wotevs"> malarkey, but you have to completely master the vast majority of the parameters of {cite}s and {sfn}s in order to make them work properly. There are huge numbers of failed {sfn}s all over the place. On the other hand, <ref name="Wotevs"> allows you to see at a glance all refs to one particular source: {sfns} can't gather all refs to one source like this. Learning {sfns} and [cite}s constitutes another order of magnitude of learning and effort, but if you have got this far, I strongly suggest you persevere.

In addition, the advantages of {sfn}s are sadly crippled by default. You need to go to Preferences → Gadgets and disable 'Navigation popups' and enable 'Reference Tooltips', and then all you need to do is hover your mouse over the inline ref/sfn to see the short footnote it creates and then the cite in the bibliography created by [cite book}. I think this is by far the best advantage of sfns: you don't have go hunting all the way down the refs and biblio to find the source. This is the thing that manual/hard-coded refs simply cannot do. (In truth they probably can, but I don't care.) Unfortunately, this combination of options in Gadgets is not the default, although I'm fairly sure most people would appreciate it.

Anyway, I have an incomplete and somewhat out of date how-to at User:MinorProphet/The joy of sfn, and a couple of sections on my talk page to do with the subject: if you'd like to continue this discussion there I would be most happy, but here's as good a place as any. <Dismounts hobbyhorse> MinorProphet (talk) 14:07, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, @Hoary:, I agree with most of what you say. You said ...why a reference should start "Marx, Karl" rather than "Karl Marx". I would suggest that it's not a reference, it's a cite. Manual/hard coded refs like <ref>Marx, p. 285</ref> should point to an alpha-ordered bibliography, and I have never ever seen a biblio ordered by first name. If you are thinking of <ref name="Kapital"> {{cite book |last=Marx |first=Karl |title=Das Kapital |etc.}}</ref> well, that's what you tend to get the world over. Referencing on WP brings out the very worst in people, because there is no single agreed style. It's an unholy free-for-all, a horrendous mish-mash of whatever you like, and IMHO it does WP a great disservice. Through the {cite} templates, CSS1|2 implements what I call 'Wikipedia Style', an idiosyncratic mix of Chicago, APA, Vancouver etc, and for all its faults, it allows a consistent formatting of any source.

You also said "..many will be surprised, or worse, by your use of your preferred method." Obviously WP:consensus is needed for existing articles, but is there evidence of WP:CITEVAR? I haven't looked at Smallchief's contribs, but if he/she is creating new articles with {sfns}, that's obviously fine. I have converted a number of articles to {sfn}/{cite book}, but they need monitoring to keep reffing consistent. Many many editors just don't have the time or patience to master the parameters of the templates, or the patience to debug them when they go wrong. Regards, MinorProphet (talk) 15:04, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks guys (or gals) for the advice. I'll stick with sfn and benefit from your expertise.Smallchief (talk) 10:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Marwood van Straubenzee

Hi. I tried to submit an article and it has been rejected as not having reliable sources. But it does have such sources. Could you please tell me what the problem might be? My username is Delancey1815. Thank you. Delancey1815 (talk) 10:05, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

@Delancey1815 Please have a close look at Help:Referencing for beginners - you need to provide inline citations for the claims of your draft. Your "references" are not verifiable the way you listed them. CommanderWaterford (talk) 11:15, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Notability

Hello,

How is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:James_Colistro not a notable person? He has directed so many films and TV shows. Ngyundynasty (talk) 10:49, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ngyundynasty You should read the entire message carefully (and follow the links inside) to understand why it was declined - it is saying that your submission does not prove sufficient claim for this director - I only checked the first three sources you have referenced and none of them are independent, significant coverage from Wikipedia:Reliable sources. CommanderWaterford (talk) 11:13, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

CommanderWaterford Are you saying that he is notable, but I can't prove it?

Ngyundynasty, CommanderWaterford has said, clearly, that you haven't shown that Colistro is notable. (Please read and digest WP:PERSON.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:13, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

New page, feel free to touch up on it.

Hello there, people of Wikipedia.

Is anyone good with grammar? I'm not, and I need this page touched up on (I just made it). Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Tuscarora_(FY_044) NorthernIdaho (talk) 02:11, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, can anyone touch up on this page? I just made it, and I'm not the best at grammar. Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Tuscarora_(FY_044) NorthernIdaho (talk) 02:15, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

You need to add some sources or the article will be quickly deleted. --Bduke (talk) 02:19, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi NorthernIdaho. While grammar is quite important, the fact that the article is completely unsourced is more of a concern. My suggestion to you would be to move this to the draft namespace where you could continue to work on it and add citations to reliable sources to support the claims made in the article. The longer is remains unsourced in the mainspace the greater the chance of someone tagging it or nominating it for deletion. Since this seems to be about a warship, try asking for assistance at Wikipedia:WikiProject military history or Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships for some information on the types of source generally considered to be reliable when it comes to military ships. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

@NorthernIdaho: I asked about this at WT:MILHIST#HMS Tuscarora (FY 044) and one of the members of that WikiProject named Dumelow was able to find a source and do a bit of cleanup. For future reference though, it's generally best to not create completely unsourced articles directly in the mainspace because there's a high risk of them being quickly nominated or tagged for deletion. Sometimes you may get lucky and someone will come along and add some citations to establish the subject's Wikipedia notability, but you shouldn't rely on that always being the case. If you're having a hard time finding sources or not sure how to find sources, it's better to start of with a draft instead to give you more time to work on things and then ask for help like you did above.

Finally, please also take a look at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:HMS Tuscarora.jpg because there are some issues with the photo you uploaded to Commons for use in the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Marchjuly, I think we do not use so many Wikilinks to reply on the Teahouse. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 12:19, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

tips before second submission

Dear, my Wiki page was not approved because it has an informal tone. I am still working on the corrections but before the second submission I'd like to know if I can receive some more specific tips. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Veronica.Strazzari/sandbox thanks for your help,

VeronicaVeronica.Strazzari (talk) 09:38, 10 May 2021 (UTC) Veronica.Strazzari (talk) 09:38, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Here's just one sentence:

Deeply rooted in documentary and journalistic production, his work revolves around the ‘making’ of the future.

Depth aside, I suspect that it's him rather than his work that's so rooted. But what does it mean, to be rooted (deeply or otherwise) in this or that? (He's influenced by it as done by others? He has a lot of experience of doing it himself?). What does it mean to say that photography (if it is photography) "revolves around" something or other? How is "the 'making' of the future" different from "the making of the future"? And whatever this sentence means, which reliable, independent, published source says it? -- Hoary (talk) 12:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

The entire Life & work section has no references. David notMD (talk) 12:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Anyone help me

Hello can anyone please help me how I can participate on Wikiproject Article For Creation ? Bengal Boy (talk) 12:06, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

TryingToDo, I suggest that you start by augmenting and improving the draft that's currently in your sandbox. When you think that it has a chance of being promoted to article status, move it to Draft:Turu Love. NB web series are extraordinarily numerous, and only a small minority of them merit articles; see Wikipedia:Notability (web). -- Hoary (talk) 12:21, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Well well, you'd already created the article. And it's the same. I suggest that you work on improving the article: as it stands, it's curiously uninformative: it doesn't even say what the web series is about. (Travel? Farming? Home maintenance? Make-up? Geology? Ballroom dancing?) When it's good enough to withstand an "AFD", embark on the draft for a new article. -- Hoary (talk) 12:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Hoary yea sure. I'll definitely improve the article. My question is if any draft is ready to on to the article space then should I go through afc process for participating AFC ? Bengal Boy (talk) 12:30, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Given that you have a history of creating articles directly, bypassing AfC, that have subsequently been deleted, or at least subjected to an AfD review before being kept, I personally recommend that you submit all future drafts to AfC until you have a better history of competently creating articles. David notMD (talk) 12:40, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

David notMD thank you. Bengal Boy (talk) 13:21, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Regards my business on wikipedia

Hi, I am a property dealer in India dealed over 1000 properties since 2000 in Gurugram DLF Phase3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.248.87.20 (talk) 13:16, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Being a successful businessperson in a Delhi suburb does not begin to make you article-worthy unless several people have written about you. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not social media. David notMD (talk) 13:22, 10 May 2021 (UTC)