Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red

Woman of the day: a new one each day from our women's biographies

AfC drafts needing some love

I just went through the women in the 2 month+ bin at AfC, and there are two drafts here that could use some help from experienced WiR folks:

• Draft:Nereida Garcia Ferraz - Cuban-American artist, lots of stuff in the page history to work from, needs independent sources
• Draft:Morgana Cosmica - Italian drag queen, needs sigcov

asilvering (talk) 18:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering:: I've tried to flush out Garcia Ferraz a bit and think it might mow be suitable for mainspace - but I'll leave it up to you.--Ipigott (talk) 08:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering:: thank you for your curated suggestions. Also thank you for publishing the Nereida Garcia Ferraz article, should the article creator get a notification on their talk page, as so far I can't see one?

I have linked the article to an existing Wikidata object which links to database listings with variant spellings. I presume Cubans use Spanish surnames, but I could be wrong. TSventon (talk) 18:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@TSventon, the name is alternately spelled Garcia-Ferraz in the article, so the sort order I used is "Garcia Ferraz, Nereida", if that's what you're asking? It looks like they didn't get a notification because they were editing logged-out at one point (I just resubmitted the draft as the last person who submitted, which was an IPv6). -- asilvering (talk) 22:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering:, the article creator was following up the article at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#15:08, 5 October 2024 review of submission by Bzbustamante so they are obviously still interested.

If the name uses the Spanish pattern, it probably needs the Template:Family name hatnote to explain, hopefully the article creator knows. TSventon (talk) 22:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I have informed the article creator that the article has been published. However that article was first submitted in March, I would have thought that if WiR offered help a lot earlier (after a month?) it would be more likely to persuade new editors to try writing another article. TSventon (talk) 19:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

The earlier the better - why wait a month! -- asilvering (talk) 20:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Draft:Alice Elizabeth Louisa Melliss - British botanical illustrator, needs sigcov. Pinging Lajmmoore as Melliss reminds me of Adèle de Dombasle‎. TSventon (talk) 00:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you TSventon for adding this here! I'm the original creator of the draft and I have little/no experience with creating articles for people that are non-BLP. If someone finds sources but doesn't have time/space to incorporate them into the draft, I'm happy to take the sources and work them into the page! Cyanochic (talk) 17:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Hello @Cyanochic you've done a great job on getting the page started - I added a couple of reviews from 1875 that talk about how good the illustrations are, but @TSventon I'm not sure what else I can surface. Lajmmoore (talk) 15:29, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Ronnie Haran

I recently came across a draft for Ronnie Harlan, one of "the first female rock band managers." Looks promising. Thriley (talk) 17:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

It's certainly been improved but it still looks rather promotional. From the sources used, she seems to have the necessary notability. Maybe we should leave it to those of our contributors who are also AfC reviewers.--Ipigott (talk) 10:54, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Article about Polish translator of Tolkien?

Hi.

Would you like an article about the lady who translated Tolkien into Polish? I couldn't find her in the Tolkien translations category...

Best wishes -Kaworu1992 (talk) 01:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Edit: silly me, she has an article, just not in that category. One hundred apologies -Kaworu1992 (talk) 01:53, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Edit 2: but I now see you have no article about Paulina Braiter-Ziemkiewicz, and it's quite short - would you like a translation?

Best wishes --Kaworu1992 (talk) 02:09, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Kaworu1992, you would need to find enough sources to support the article content and establish notability. pl:Paulina Braiter-Ziemkiewicz seems to have no sources at all. TSventon (talk) 19:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Hm... I realized just now. I will try to browse the Internet and maybe at least find some, I dunno, webpages, interviews etc.? Kaworu1992 (talk) 01:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

WP:GNG requires significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. So the webpages need to be reliable (e.g., not user generated, I have no idea which Polish websites are reliable), and what the subject tells an interviewer isn't independent. TSventon (talk) 02:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Ellinor Peerschke

I'd appreciate any feedback on Draft:Ellinor Peerschke. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 10:45, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

@Allthemilescombined1:: You've made a good start on this. If you search for "Ellinor I B Peerschke" (Ellinor Irmgard Barbara Peerschke) you'll find more sources. For more detail, see this. Looks as if Marjorie B. Zucker might also deserve an article.--Ipigott (talk) 13:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 14:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

As a result of all the improvements you've made, Allthemilescombined1, I see it's now been moved to mainspace. I was intrigued by her birth in Germany with a Russian name but failed to find any details of her parents and their background.--Ipigott (talk) 09:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ipigott: I can't see a Russian name. am I missing something? It is still interesting that she was born in Germany and grew up in the US. TSventon (talk) 15:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

My confusion, TSventon. I was basing the Russian origin on a former colleague, Serge Perschke, who was in fact a Russian speaker from his mother but his father was German. I now see that Peerschke is common is Germany.--Ipigott (talk) 15:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

From a quick glance at your Google search, the name is probably Sorbian in origin (the Sorbs are a Slavic minority group in Germany). —Kusma (talk) 15:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Girls Who Code in upcoming NYC editathon

I was interested to see that Girls Who Code are hosting the editathon at the meetup in NYC on October 26. I was not aware that this highly successful initiative took a specific interest in Wikipedia. It seems to me we should try to develop closer contacts. As they are involved in encouraging thousands of women students to become competent in computer coding, they could also help to promote improved coverage of women on Wikipedia by attracting more women participants.--Ipigott (talk) 10:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

COI - Draft:Ribbons (sculpture) - through AfC

Hello folks, Just a note to state that I have put a draft of an article to Articles for Creation, because i have a conflict of interest with the topic. It is a new sculpture in Leeds, featuringing 384 women (of which I am one!). If anyone feels like reviewing it, I'd be keen to hear feedback Lajmmoore (talk) 14:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks neutral to me! I’ve accepted. There’s a small referencing error you may want to attend to? Also it led me to your bio which I hadn’t seen. If ever there’s additional secondary source coverage you’re aware of that’s not included, feel free to ping me with a link and I’ll look to see if it can be added, as I know you can’t do. Innisfree987 (talk) 15:39, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Support move to main space and I've added a couple WikiProjects to the talk page. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:47, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both! Lajmmoore (talk) 16:40, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

& thank you @Innisfree987 - I put a few things on the talk page - even with this I suspect its very borderline, and tbh have no strong conviction about the article - although it was very kind for it to be started off Lajmmoore (talk) 17:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore Well done, Lucy, both for being listed and for the article. I had it in mind to start a stub later today, after hearing about it on the news this morning, googling a bit, and finding no article yet, but your proper article is much better than the solid little stub I'd probably have produced. I've done the gnomery of linking it in Pippa Hale and adding it to Ribbon (disambiguation) (falling down a few little rabbit holes en route, like creating surname access for two women surnamed "Ribbons"), and added Pippa to Hale (surname).

I found a full list of the women, which seemed useful to add. But it's a bit of a puzzle: are there 383, or 384? Sources vary! Was someone disgraced and omitted, like a Jimmy Savile, or what? Pippa's website says 384, the project website says 383. Any local knowledge? Which source do we believe? PamD 20:40, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm also puzzled that the list of women gives their location as a number (like your 6.09), where the prefix is 1-6 - so is there a base section as well as the five ribbons, or what? The project website doesn't clarify, just gives a number. Perhaps it's obvious when you're standing looking at it? PamD 20:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

@PamD I've been puzzled by both these things too - I think the latter is do with the fabrication? but that is a guess. I'm going to email ask which is the right number! Lajmmoore (talk) 20:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Also there seem to be 382 names on the website (381 times "Ribbon Number" plus Rommi Smith). Unfortunately the internet archive is down. TSventon (talk) 21:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I got a very quick reply from Leeds Arts University who project managed it, who said there were 383 women TOTAL on the statue, @PamD & @TSventon Lajmmoore (talk) 08:11, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore Thanks. So Pippa got it wrong? Or is her name on there somewhere as the artist, perhaps, as an extra? She doesn't seem to be in the list. Fascinating! (And I wish I'd known about the project beforehand, to get Penny Ewens included: shame on the current Lib Dems for omitting to do so.) PamD 08:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I think there's hope that more ribbons will be added @PamD but I agree there are lots of women who got left off! & I think Pippa's website might have an error! Lajmmoore (talk) 16:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Marzieh Hamidi

Marzieh Hamidi is a Afghan taekwondo athlete. The article needs expansion. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Call for volunteers for the research project “Measuring the Gender Gap: Attribute-based Class Completeness Estimation”

We are a group of researchers at The University of Queensland, Australia who are working on a research project titled “Measuring the Gender Gap: Attribute-based Class Completeness Estimation” (see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Measuring_the_Gender_Gap:_Attribute-based_Class_Completeness_Estimation), supported and funded by the Wikimedia Foundation. Our goal is to understand how and to develop supporting tool for Wikipedia editors making decisions on how to address the gender gap in Wikipedia content.

We are looking for a passionate Community Engagement Manager who will play a pivotal volunteer role in this project to help us to engage with the Wikipedia editors’ communities.

About the Role: The volunteer will help us to:

·      Develop a plan to engage relevant Wikipedia communities with our project.

·      Identify individual editors willing to join an online research interview (this study was approved by the University of Queensland Human Research Ethics Committee, reference 2023/HE001795).

·      To understand how gender balance has been taken into account in the editorial process and decisions, as well as to discuss how a tool could be best designed to support this process.

Who We Are Looking For:

·      Someone with a strong commitment to promoting gender equality in Wikipedia.

·      Excellent communication and interpersonal skills.

·      Experience in community management (desirable).

Benefits:

·      Opportunity to make a significant impact in reducing the gender gap in Wikipedia.

·      Expand your network within the Wikipedia communities and professionals.

·      Develop skills in community management, and project coordination.

For further information and expression of interests, please contact Gianluca Demartini (Special:EmailUser/Eglu81) and Tianwa Chen (Special:EmailUser/Tchen9). Eglu81 (talk) 23:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Ipigott, for your note and ping on your talkpage regarding this research. Eglu81, though you've left a message on my talkpage, too, I'll reply here for greater visibility as others may have similar questions. Eglu81, I'm curious if you are you seeking 1 person or multiple? As your university is based in Australia, is there a preference for the volunteer(s) to be from Australia? That said, I'd be happy to hop on a Zoom call to discuss your project further as your research subject is a priority focus area of mine. -- Rosiestep (talk) 15:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Rosiestep for your interest and availability and thanks Ipigott for your support! Yes, we are based in Australia and we have been in contact with the Australian community already, interviewing a few editors with relevant interests. We would now like to expand the focus to editors worldwide as this is not a geographically-restricted issue. If we can find more people to help us, that would be great, but we believe having one advocate who is internal to the community would already make the difference. Please, get in touch with Tchen9 to arrange a time when she can provide a summary and status update of the project via Zoom. Eglu81 (talk) 16:22, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Eglu81: email sent. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Sarah Paxon Moore Cooper

I started recently on a sandbox draft for Sarah Paxon Moore Cooper. I've run into a wall with my digging skills without archive.org (or being in Santa Barbara) and would love help or general feedback. The sandbox draft has a lot of my notes on possible clues to references that I've found.

The more specific things I think would really improve the article:

• In the article, under running notes of sources, I've been able to find two photos - one of her, one of her garden - but I cannot find the original sources that the linked websites/references used.
• I've found lots of sources with passing mentions calling her a notable botanist, but no specifics as to why. Specializing in ferns is from more modern references, I think based on her samples in current collections.
• Similarly, multiple sources saying her 4 acre Home Garden was a notable stop or must see for tourists/visitors to the Santa Barbara area, that it held 1000s of plants, and at least one reference suggesting her responsibility for introducing exotic plant species to Santa Barbara. But again, no details beyond that.

Thanks! Cyanochic (talk) 04:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, here are some suggestions to make it more readable and adopt a more expository style:

after the first line you should devide the text and make a biography section (use Heading).

Stop writing S. Cooper in the text, just Cooper.

I also uploaded an example of what it should like, based on your own text on article's talk page.

You can ask the admins to remove it after you have taken a look.

Cheers. Hounaam (talk) 08:05, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Hounaam, for your useful suggestions but section headings should not be over-captalized. I've slightly edited your talk page version.--Ipigott (talk) 12:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks dear @Ipigott; I will keep that in mind.

Cheers Hounaam (talk) 13:22, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the additions! I had been leaving adding more expository writing and cleaning up my notes until I felt like I had enough references for a "submittable" article, but after seeing your suggestions I see I had more than I thought. Cyanochic (talk) 15:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Hi Cyanochic, Ambrosia10 has obviously put a lot of work into the Wikidata item d:Q96475325, so they might be able to answer questions about the links they added.

Ellwood Cooper: In His Own Words says "All photographs are from the collection of the Santa Barbara Historical Museums, unless otherwise noted." There are notes on uploading photographs as public domain or fair use here. TSventon (talk) 16:13, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks TSventon. I've been using Wikidata a lot lately, but somehow never noticed the View History tab! Ambrosia10 if you have ideas/input, I'd love to hear them!

I saw that from the Ellwood Cooper article. I wasn't sure if that counted as public domain/fair use since the article was released less than 80 years ago. Same with the photograph of her garden in the Goleta History website. If you think they are one or both okay, I will definitely add them to Wikimedia commons and the article.

(Also I've just found a reference saying she's the first female botanist to have a plant named after her (!) It was already listed on the species page, which I hadn't stumbled on since I typically exclude Wikipedia from my searches. Myriopteris cooperae. Since I'm not ready to publish the article I had to share the cool news somewhere.) Cyanochic (talk) 16:44, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Fair use images are uploaded to Wikipedia rather than Commons and you need to give a fair use rationale when you upload, I linked some hints. Generally an image of a deceased biographical subject can be justified if there are no public domain alternatives available. Fair use images have to be used in articles rather than drafts so you would have to wait until the article is published. Whether an image is PD depends on when the image was first published. The rules are complex, hence I added a link rather than trying to explain everything myself.

Also note that the redirect is spelt Paxson, just to complicate searches. TSventon (talk) 17:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Got it, I've only uploaded things so far to Commons that are under CC BY copyrights before. I'll read about the other options.

I noticed that spelling variant/issue on findagrave which has a photo of her headstone. The headstone says Paxon and I'm using that as my final spelling since very few sources spell out the name and just use the initial. (And sources that do spell it vary between Paxson and Paxon.) Cyanochic (talk) 17:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree that Paxon is the usual spelling, but the alternative spelling should probably be noted in the article. Also I searched Google books using Paxson and found an article about Ellwood in the Pacific Rural Press, also available here. TSventon (talk) 18:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Cyanochic your article is great and thank you so much for creating it! I spend a lot of time researching early women botanists and it is fabulous to see articles being created about them. As for the claim she is the first female botanist to have a plant named after her, I'd be really interested to know whether there are other citations that support this. 1875 seems to me to be quite late date for this to first occur. Unfortunately because the Biodiversity Heritage Library is down at the moment (as a result of the Internet Archive issues) I can't check what Eaton actually said. He might have qualified it by saying first American female botanist? I've co-authored a publication about plant genera named after women with our dataset showing several women having genera named after them in the early to mid 1800s including Sarah Amherst and Lady Sarah Elizabeth Hay-Williams (née Amherst) with the genus Amherstia named in their honour in 1826 as well as the noblewoman and botanist Mary Elizabeth Catherine A’Court having the genus Acourtia named in her honour in 1830. It may be that the first naming of a plant species after women occurred later but I'd be very surprised if that was the case given the large number of plant species compared to plant genera. Ambrosia10 (talk) 06:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ambrosia10 and Cyanochic: Eaton 1875 says I take great pleasure in giving for the first time to an American Fern the name of a lady botanist. The page is available at https://www.jstor.org/stable/2476219 . I have corrected the article. TSventon (talk) 12:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm usually more skeptical but I think my excitement got away from me. Cyanochic (talk) 14:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks for all the improvements. Sarah Paxon Moore Cooper is now on mainspace.--Ipigott (talk) 09:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
  • I added a starter infobox and some other tidying, because, like Cooper, I lived in Goleta once upon a time.Penny Richards (talk) 15:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

2025 "priority" initiative

I'm already looking forward to planning for WiR's 2025 Year-Long Priority Initiative. Here's historical data regarding previous/present Year-Long Initiatives for consideration:

• Jan-Dec 2024 / Education: 883 articles (through Oct 17)
• Jan-Dec 2023 / Peace & diplomacy: 211
• Jan-Dec 2022 / Climate: 131
• Jan-Dec 2021 / Women's rights: 461
• Jan-Aug 2020 / Sports: 386
• Jan-Dec 2019 / Suffrage: 572
• 2018: none
• 2017: none
• Feb-Dec 2016 / Science: 462

I'll also make a suggestion for 2025 to get the ball rolling: Music. (Reasoning: It's super broad. We already have a lot of redlists. Hoping this attracts new editors, if not forever, at least for the 12 months we'd be doing this event.) --Rosiestep (talk) 16:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Music is a great idea! Some other broad topics for future consideration: Business, Politics, Visual arts. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Rosiestep: Your choice of Education for this year has proved to be a great success. My only concern with Music is that with or without a WiR focus, we'll continue to see the topic as one of the major attractions for articles about women. I must say I like the suggestion of Business. We seem to be reaching a point where women are proving to be increasingly prominent in the business environment around the world, both in acquiring key positions in existing companies and organizations and in individual entrepreneurship. If we choose the topic, we could also encourage more attention to be given to the history of women's business achievements. We should in any case also try to reactivate interest in Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Business in which Another Believer has been so active.--Ipigott (talk) 08:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Anna Akbari

Anyone interested in taking a look at Draft:Anna Akbari? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 23:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Allthemilescombined1: You include many references to book reviews. Why not provide more details in the body of the article, mentioning some of the reviewers and their comments?--Ipigott (talk) 09:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate the encouragement, and it is better for it. Does it look ready now? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 10:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

That's certainly an improvement. In connection with Startup Your Life, I think you need to be more explicit, explaining that your comments come from the Time review. Perhaps others viewing this page also have suggestions.--Ipigott (talk) 10:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Done, thank you! Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 00:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Allthemilescombined1

Pls take a look at Manual of Style/Biography.

Cheers Hounaam (talk) 11:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Di Jones

Does anyone have suggestions for this page Draft:DiJones_Real_Estate It had been rejected but this project has got me inspired and I have improved a lot of the citations.PinkAechFas (talk) 05:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @PinkAechFas: the first thing is to establish notability. I suggest completing the cite web website parameters and the cite news work parameters to make it easier to see which sources are independent. The founder Di Jones could be notable even if the DiJones business is not. TSventon (talk) 17:03, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Real estate companies aren't notable. scope_creep^Talk 09:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

WiR now has a page on the Esperanto Wikipedia. How do I set up Listeriabot?

During the last days I created a Esperanto version of Women in Red: eo:Projekto:Virinoj_en_ruĝo. For now we are focusing on female Esperantists with a list similar to this English list: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Esperantists

I created the table using a Wikidata Query, but I would love to set up a automatic system with Listeriabot like most languages do. Is there some documentation on that? I haven't found anything and I couldn't set it up myself. Stefangrotz (talk) 19:03, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ipigott: do you know if there is someone here who could advise on this? Tagishsimon doesn't seem to be active at the moment. TSventon (talk) 17:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Tools and technical support for a list of technical experts.--Ipigott (talk) 18:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Gamaliel: could you advise Stefangrotz on setting up a redlist on eo Wikipedia? TSventon (talk) 22:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Template:Wikidata list is the template en.wiki uses to generate the list and I see there's an equivalent on eo.wiki: eo:Ŝablono:Wikidata list. So I set up a test page to see if I can get it to work eo:Projekto:Virinoj en ruĝo/test. Gamaliel (talk) 13:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks like it works! Luckily whoever ported the template into Esperanto didn't translate it from English so I was able to just cut and paste an en.wiki version and it works there. Gamaliel (talk) 13:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Now I see, one does not set it up on the website of the bot but instead I have to put the wikidata query inside of the page itself.

Thanks again, I believe now I can do the rest myself. Stefangrotz (talk) 13:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Referring to siblings with same last name in article?

I just started on Draft:Mary Kirby and she worked very closely with her sister Elizabeth Kirby. Both were unmarried for a long time and share the same last name. Currently I am referring to Mary Kirby as "Kirby" in the article, and her sister as Elizabeth. But this feels odd since I eventually refer to Mary's husband later in life by his last name as well. What's the general recommendation for this? Is Elizabeth okay or should I use something like "E. Kirby"?? I swear I've seen something about it in an essay before but I couldn't find it. Thanks! Cyanochic (talk) 20:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Update: Just found Elizabeth and Mary Kirby. I somehow didn't find this when doing an initial search for existing pages. So I will not be fully creating this article unless others think it's notable to make it separate. However, it's not linked in Mary Kirby's wikidata. I'm not sure if it should be though. Cyanochic (talk) 21:05, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Cyanochic, the answer to your first question is that first names should be used where needed to avoid confusion. The place to look is in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography and the shortcut is MOS:SAMESURNAME. For some reason only the redirect Elizabeth Kirby was linked to its Wikidata item so I did the same for Mary Kirby (writer). TSventon (talk) 23:39, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

In many cases, it is useful to provide further clarifications to avoid confusion, such as her sister plus full name, her mother plus full name, etc. I personally find switching between a woman's maiden name (e.g. in the Early life section) to various married names later in the biography is pretty confusing. Indeed, in longer biographies I often have to re-read the article carefully to make sure the different names refer to the same person. I have noticed that less experienced editors use the name in the article title throughout. This certainly avoids confusion but is it acceptable? As far as I can see, there is no clear recommendation on this in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography.--Ipigott (talk) 07:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Some missing National Academy of Sciences members

Cyanochic has been collecting redlinks of National Academy of Sciences members: see User:Cyanochic/NAS Scientists, as linked from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Science and academia § Work-in-progress list of National Academy of Sciences scientist red links. Most are men but there are some missing women including:

• geneticists Kerry Bloom and Ulrike Heberlein
• environmental scientist Kathleen Segerson
• soil scientists Barbara Valent and Elizabeth Vierling
• animal/nutritional/microbial scientists Diane O'Brien and Yasuko Rikihisa
• sociologist Florencia Torche
• psychologist Marianne Frankenhaeuser
• anthropologists Patricia Crown and Linda Manzanilla
• microbiologist Carol A. Carter

—David Eppstein (talk) 05:28, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Noting Linda Manzanilla has an es-wiki entry. Innisfree987 (talk) 05:41, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @David Eppstein! With @Innisfree987's comment, I'll add that I've been adding names to my list using the Ill template after already doing a few subfields and I haven't gone back to update the earlier names yet. In general, I'm trying to note if there are any existing Wiki sources in the list to help anyone that comes along. Cyanochic (talk) 07:44, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

For Draft:Carol A. Carter, I'm wondering if I can use images from this article? [1] Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 23:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

That was the copyright statement. Here is the article [2] Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 02:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I think at least it can be uploaded to Commons and used on a Wikipedia article based on this page of common copyright licenses and the statement you linked. Cyanochic (talk) 03:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I will put this information on the Talk page. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 10:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I moved to mainspace and took a crack at categories. Please lmk if I didn't do the categories or sorting properly. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 10:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

• Tut, tut! The UK equivalent, at List of female fellows of the Royal Society has been complete and up to date since at least 2013. Johnbod (talk) 01:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• I was going to add my PhD adviser to that list, but now I see Cyanochic has made her page, yay! JoelleJay (talk) 16:32, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to make Kerry Bloom a woman, but I don't think I can :) Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 21:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Unreferenced articles - Backlog drive - November

I saw this banner for November's unreference article backlog drive & wondered if there was a way to see a list for women who were unreferenced? Lajmmoore (talk) 09:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikiproject clean up lists could be a start, e.g.

• Women's History
• Women writers TSventon (talk) 10:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @Lajmmoore and TSventon; I think this is a good idea. See here where I've suggested adding it to our November invite as there may be some editors who receive (or see) our invite and would be willing to work on this task rather than or in addition to creating new articles. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree that we should encourage WiR participants to spend at least part of their time on adding missing sources. I'll try to work on this too but I don't know how much time I will have available as I find it increasingly important to assist new or inexperienced contributors. Nevertheless, my own feeling is that we should give priority to fairly recent articles in the Women and Women's History projects which are rated Start or higher. Most of these originally had valid sources which have since become dead links. In some cases identical or similar sources can found under a new URL. Many of the stubs have never been correctly sourced and may not be worth the time and effort.--Ipigott (talk) 15:30, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Support "AllAfrica" as a suggested new resource for the Wikipedia Library Platform

Did you know you can directly suggest resources/partnerships for the Wikipedia Library and also "upvote" other people's suggestions? I was going to submit "AllAfrica.com Premium" as a suggested resource for African news (I've used the free version of the site to help source several biographies of African women), but it turns out that someone else has already suggested AllAfrica. It's low down on the ranked list of suggestions right now (only 32 votes), but if it receives more votes then it may get more attention from Library administrators as a serious suggestion. You can find it on this page -- just scroll down and filter through the resource suggestions. Alanna the Brave (talk) 20:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Female blacksmiths

I've noticed that there doesn't seem to be any list in the wikiproject spaces listing women blacksmiths without an article. Maybe someone can help by creating such a list through Wikidata elements.--Peridotito (talk) 09:33, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@Peridotito: Done! Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Blacksmiths Gamaliel (talk) 13:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Rebecca Burch

Rebecca Burch would be fun to profile[3], but I'm not sure if there's enough media. She's quoted here. [4] Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 01:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Noblewoman

The Noblewoman article is in very poor condition and really needs expanded. It shouldn't be too difficult to do it, what with other wikipedias work available. Its a particular aspect of a segment of civil society that doesn't get much of a look in, yet is a comparatively large and important part of that society, both in the present and from a historical perspective. I would do it myself but have other fish to fry and have so many other articles of my todo list, that I've stopped adding to it at the moment. It really needs a proper with lots of excellent images that would suit it. scope_creep^Talk 09:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up, scope creep, but it seems to me we need to delve into histories covering elite and noble women in Europe and Asia. The current article is based on the French version. There also seems to be extensive coverage of noble women in Spain. Perhaps those documenting nobility in Russia. the Middle East and China could also contribute. I'm not too sure it "shouldn't be too difficult" as a meaningful world history seems to be sadly lacking. Any concrete suggestions?--Ipigott (talk) 17:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ipigott: How goes it? Unfortunately no. It does have a quite a large scope certainly, but the reason I said it should too difficult is because there is a mountain of sources on it. The good thing about the aristocracy as a group is that they tended to document their own existance quite well, at every level of their society in every country they existed in. Before World War I, they were dominant as a group in Europe. I reckon there is a probably six months to years work in it, easily but the sources are readily available. It just needs somebody that is capable of writing large complex articles that can take it GA/FA and get it done. Theyre is several article that can be spun out of it, e.g. how fashion changed, social mores. Loads probably. scope_creep^Talk 18:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, scope creep- I think that rather than basing development on the aristocracy's own records, what we need are links to neutral contributions by historians or researchers. If you don't have time to work on the article yourself, I suggest you list some of your reliable sources on the article's talk page. That may encourage future work. In any case, I hope that in due course you will find time to work on the article yourself.--Ipigott (talk) 11:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

The tendency among recent historians, especially when talking about women, has been very much to use "the aristocracy's own records", in the form of letters and diaries. A global article could be taking on too much - as the mess at gentry shows. Johnbod (talk) 13:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Yea, I suspected that. I suspect there will be a lot of that. I've not done any work on it at all. You would use academic sources if you could, if they are available. Unless somebody else knows better, there must historians of that group surely, who will probably be part of the group right enough, since they are quite secretive and closed to preserve their own power, money and prestige. The group that nobleman and noblewomen belong to are known as society, which is the most power group on earth, certainly in the west. Its called other things in other places, but certainly society in the uk. They are the moneyed elite. To get an idea of how they work, which I only found recently, take a look at Napoleon. He is attacking Russia. He is part of society. While he is attacking Russia, he decides to visit the czar who welcomes him, who are all part of society. All equals. So it shows the society transends normal normal civilisation, existance. That elite group don't act for man in the street. It may be difficult to write it but needs to be done. scope_creep^Talk 16:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Betty Fiechter

There's an ongoing draft about Swiss businesswoman Betty Fiechter here. There is a bit of English-language coverage but I can't find enough for WP:GNG - It looks like there is a good bit of foreign-language coverage, especially in French. Any help uncovering those sources would be much appreciated! ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 19:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

To start with, these two pieces ([5], [6]) from the Daily Telegraph should be helpful. Silverseren^C 19:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, these are advertisements for the Ladybird line of watches and not actual journalism. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 20:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@ThadeusOfNazereth: have you looked at the references for the French article. The most promising link is

• BEATRIZ ROLDÁN (2022-08-15). "Betty Fiechter, la primera mujer en la cumbre de la relojería suiza". El Mundo (in Spanish). Retrieved 2023-12-11. (headed Lifestyle)
• "Des femmes d'exception : Betty Fiechter (4/5)". Radio Jura bernois (in French). 2022-07-25. Retrieved 2022-11-14. audio in French with text summary, seems to be an interview with a former employee
• I checked tellerreport.com on archive.org and it looked like a translation of El Mundo

TSventon (talk) 21:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for those - I was able to use both of them in the article. Right now it's in a very borderline state where I think she meets WP:GNG but I sort of doubt AFD would agree. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 17:20, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Any luck with searching her full name Berthe-Marie Fiechter? Thriley (talk) 22:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I tried searching a Swiss newspaper archive for Betty Fiechter and got this. Sixteen results, one in 1996 about her monument at Villeret, one in 2021 about an exhibition of 5 statues, also less useful stuff like a burglary and a car accident. Nothing for Berthe-Marie Fiechter. TSventon (talk) 23:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Not really. There is a very detailed profile here but it's a primary source so I hadn't incorporated it yet. Some mild coverage from the Swiss government here and a couple mentions in lifestyle magazines that don't meet WP:RS. The newspaper coverage above appears decent but I'll have to do some translation. I appreciate all the helpfulness! ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 23:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Her NY Times obituary, while run under the paper’s “Overlooked No More” series, seems to demonstrate her notability in my opinion. I’ve never seen an article deleted for someone with an obit in The Times. Thriley (talk) 00:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Article is now live in mainspace :) ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 04:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Women in Red November 2024

Women in Red | November 2024, Vol 10, Issue 11, Nos 293, 294, 321, 322, 323 Online events: New: Asian women | Geofocus: Islands Q-Z | Women in engineering Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcements from other communities Annual Wikipedia Asian Month (WAM) is an online campaign designed to boost Asian content on Wikipedia each November. Unreferenced articles backlog drive. These Wikiproject clean-up lists offer a start to November's backlog drive, e.g. Women's History and Women writers Tip of the month: Looking for an image? Sometimes you can find openly licensed images at search.creativecommons.org/ Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

--Lajmmoore (talk 20:44, 29 October 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Pictures on editathon page

Traditionally there was a picture of a woman in the infobox of the event page, from within the topic of the event. I've noticed that these have been missing in recent months. Please can someone review my additions to 321, 322 and 323 for next month? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks MSGJ, They look good! Because the template generates a page with a WiR logo as a place holder, the photos sometimes get away from us. Please feel free to nudge or add. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Urdu translation Fakhra Younas / Fakhra Younus

Question for the hive mind: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Pakistan lists Fakhra Younas as a red link. English wikipedia has an article for Fakhra Younus. I don't read Urdu. Does anyone know if this is the same person? Fakhra Younas (Q3738509) I think so, but don't want to create a redirect if I am wrong. There's also an article in Italian. Thanks in advance for any advice. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@WomenArtistUpdates: The en article and the it article via Google translate are obviously about the same woman, so I have merged the Wikipedia items. It is possible that Italian and English romanise Urdu slightly differently. TSventon (talk) 00:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the merge TSventon, I agree that the romaization was slightly different. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)