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Woman of the day: a new one each day from our women's biographies

Ecofeminism/gender studies - Draft:Mary Mellor

Hello folks, I've been pluggin away at an article for Draft:Mary Mellor for a while, and I wondered if anyone more familia than me with ecofeminism might be able to help out. Her books are widely reviewed and she was a professor with a named chair, so meets notability, but much more is written about her books than her. I've been finding and using reviews of her books to expand the draft, but because I am really unfamiliar with ecofeminism it's taking me ages. If anyone else has more context than me I'd be so appreciative of some help (cross-posted at WP:Climate change) Lajmmoore (talk) 12:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

You're right that there isn't very much out there that's not book review related. Here's what I could pull up.

• Sex discrimination fight: Boffins in test case
• Female revolution is hard to swallow
• Author is off to Japan

I hope that gives at least a few things to add to the article, Lajmmoore. Silverseren^C 16:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Although it is not recent and is in connection with one of her publications, there seems to be quite a lot about her here. Hope this helps.--Ipigott (talk) 17:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC) This interview might provide a few clues.--Ipigott (talk) 18:37, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• There is an "about the author" in German for Argument-Sonderbände - Volume 216 1994 on Google Books snippet view, beginning Mary Mellor wurde 1946 in Cornwall geboren and ending Mary Mellor lebt mit ihrem Partner und zwei Kindern in Newcastle [Google translation: Mary Mellor was born in Cornwall in 1946 ... Mary Mellor lives with her partner and two children in Newcastle]. TSventon (talk) 17:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• North East History cites her 1980 Newcastle University PhD thesis (cited elsewhere with variants of the full title so search for "Motivation, recruitment and ideology"). TSventon (talk) 03:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• I have also found a 2003 archive of her staff page at Northumbria. TSventon (talk) 19:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• According to this she was a councillor for Tyne and Wear Metropolitan Council, so she is probably the M. Mellor elected in the 1973 Tyne and Wear County Council election (better sources needed). TSventon (talk) 20:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks so much @Ipigott, @Silver seren and @TSventon I really appreciate all the digging! Lajmmoore (talk) 17:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Looks to me as if it could safely be moved to mainspace.--Ipigott (talk) 11:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  Hello folks, Thanks so much for all the help - it's live now! Lajmmoore (talk) 09:19, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

2025 "priority" initiative

We Can Edit

Shifting this topic out of archive and back here for further discussion.

I'm already looking forward to planning for WiR's 2025 Year-Long Priority Initiative. Here's historical data regarding previous/present Year-Long Initiatives for consideration:

• Jan-Dec 2024 / Education: 883 articles (through Oct 17)
• Jan-Dec 2023 / Peace & diplomacy: 211
• Jan-Dec 2022 / Climate: 131
• Jan-Dec 2021 / Women's rights: 461
• Jan-Aug 2020 / Sports: 386
• Jan-Dec 2019 / Suffrage: 572
• 2018: none
• 2017: none
• Feb-Dec 2016 / Science: 462

I'll also make a suggestion for 2025 to get the ball rolling: Music. (Reasoning: It's super broad. We already have a lot of redlists. Hoping this attracts new editors, if not forever, at least for the 12 months we'd be doing this event.) --Rosiestep (talk) 16:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Music is a great idea! Some other broad topics for future consideration: Business, Politics, Visual arts. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Rosiestep: Your choice of Education for this year has proved to be a great success. My only concern with Music is that with or without a WiR focus, we'll continue to see the topic as one of the major attractions for articles about women. I must say I like the suggestion of Business. We seem to be reaching a point where women are proving to be increasingly prominent in the business environment around the world, both in acquiring key positions in existing companies and organizations and in individual entrepreneurship. If we choose the topic, we could also encourage more attention to be given to the history of women's business achievements. We should in any case also try to reactivate interest in Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Business in which Another Believer has been so active.--Ipigott (talk) 08:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Business is indeed a broad topic and the topic might certainly attract new participants beyond our current editors. As we're 51 days from January 1st, we should probably make a decision soon. Thoughts? --Rosiestep (talk) 20:13, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I would therefore like to suggest that participants should express their preference for "Music" or "Business", or suggest another topic for consideration. I agree with Rosie that we should make a decision fairly soon. But we need to establish a much wider consensus.--Ipigott (talk) 13:02, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd prefer Music. For those interested in the ongoing planning of Women in Red events, please join the conversation over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Ideas. As well as suggestions for topics, we need editors to participate in creating meet-up pages and proof-reading. The same group handles these mundane tasks every month and if you enjoy participating, please consider contributing. We have had an editor TheResilientEngineer BOLDLY step up to the plate, suggesting a topic, create redlists and then creating the meet-up page. Brava! We need a few more please. As you can see, topics are being scheduled for each month of 2025. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Happy to help @WomenArtistUpdates! I think people have enjoyed doing engineering this month so that's great news! I've also learnt a lot about how wiki works by getting involved in setting up an event. Thanks all for the support too!

ON 2025 topics I understand why people would like to do music. However, through my recent STEM/Eng endeavours I've found a lot of women that fit more into the business sphere. This is an area where I expect (like engineering) it would be highly beneficial to get greater representation of business leaders and entrepreneurs and it's sufficiently broad that there will be overlap with monthly initiatives. TheResilientEngineer (talk) 11:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I also prefer music, for a variety of reasons, mostly selfish (I enjoy music and learning about musicians, and they tend to have more interesting photos to use, being two of them). Penny Richards (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

While I fully agree that our Ideas page is where we should discuss future developments, I think the preferred topic for 2025 merits discussion here. We can later reflect on how to integrate this discussion on the Ideas page.--Ipigott (talk) 17:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

There was an alternative proposal somewhere, that the year-long focus would be on getting suitable draft articles published — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• Hi MSGJ, Yes you are correct that there was some discussion about getting draft articles into main space. That conversation is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Ideas##PendingDrafts That links back to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red#Women-related_articles_at_AfC which is now dead. I cannot find a discussion labeled "Women-related articles at AfC" in the these archives. Proposed by Rosiestep, suggested as a year-long by Lajmmoore. Best, --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• The discussion was archived at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red/Archive 145#Women-related articles at AfC. TSventon (talk) 18:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I think we should continue our traditional approach, focusing on women from a particular sphere of activity. As far as I can see, the topics suggested until now are: music, business, politics and visual arts. Unless there are other suggestions, we need to establish which of these appears most appropriate. Perhaps SusunW, Espresso Addict, Adam Cuerden, Lajmmoore, Horse Eye's Back and Alanna the Brave who have previously commented on our year-long focus would like to comment. All other contributors are of course welcome to comment too.--Ipigott (talk) 16:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC) Also Megalibrarygirl.--Ipigott (talk) 16:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

My vote goes with music or visual arts; the guidelines for inclusion of businesspeople are a bit complex to explain and such articles are very prone to a swift G11 deletion, sometimes followed up by a block; not opposed to politics, but I personally find such bios a bit dull. Espresso Addict (talk) 16:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Any of these topics would be interesting, but I like music for next year's theme -- I feel like it may be easier to find missing music-related biographies across a broader swathe of history (and more widely geographically, too). Alanna the Brave (talk) 18:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

My vote is for music. Oronsay (talk) 19:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the ping, I think that music would be an excellent topic for the coming year. If I were adding something to the list it would be Food and Beverage (with a dual focus on both notable women and notable women owned businesses), but that can easily wait a few years. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• On this basis, it looks as if Rosiestep has once again hit the nail on the head. Unless there are any strong objections, I think we should go for Music. --Ipigott (talk) 20:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  Music sounds good to me! Lajmmoore (talk) 21:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  Just want to note I missed these later comments before I wrote my message above. Obviously I'm happy to go with the majority/flow :) TheResilientEngineer (talk) 11:54, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  I will also get to work starting a "sound engineer (WD) redlist"! I'm partly joking, but I will do what I can to find those areas of cross-over between engineering and music. TheResilientEngineer (talk) 17:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Our open letter to the Wikimedia Foundation

Faced with the possibility that the identities of certain contributors to the article Asian News International (ANI) could be revealed to the Delhi High Court in connection with a case under which ANI is suing WMF, we have launched an open letter to WMF and called for signatures. I am pleased to see that many WiR members have already signed but I wonder whether those who have recently joined from India have had a chance to participate. Whether the threatened contributors to the ANI article are men or women, it seems to me vital for us to ensure that they are not treated as criminals and that their personal identities remain fully protected. I therefore invite you all to look into this matter and add your signature if you agree with the petition.--Ipigott (talk) 12:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

See here for recent developments.--Ipigott (talk) 13:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Despite some misunderstandings, writing on Wikipedia talk:2024 open letter to the Wikimedia Foundation, Jimbo Wales makes it clear that no user information has been disclosed.--Ipigott (talk) 09:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your organizing on this topic @Ipigott. I was happy for the chance to express my support. Innisfree987 (talk) 09:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

For those interested, the next hearing seems to have been scheduled for 18 December. There's some interesting background here.--Ipigott (talk) 17:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Adele Willie

I have started Draft:Adele Willie, adapted from Simple English Wikipedia's article on her for Geofocus: Islands Q–Z. The article may technically be in a state where it can live in the mainspace, I believe that there are issues which should be cleared up first. I've not gone through all the sources in detail, but I did catch at one discrepancy between the text and it's source (which i have removed in both versions). If someone could go over the sources, make sure everything in the article is backed up in them, and clean up the prose to be more in line with English Wikipedia's standards I would really appreciate it. MRN2electricboogaloo (talk) 00:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Sarah Cunningham (painter)

Hello again -- Can anyone help out with this one? 31-year-old British artist recently found dead as her career was beginning to take off. Created by Thriley; I've expanded it a little, and added a few sources, but notability has been challenged. Anyone who can read German would be particularly welcome to check the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung source (available in Proquest); my German is very rusty! Thanks in advance, got to go offline shortly. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Despite the obits, I'm not at all sure that she would have been considered notable as a painter if she had not been a suicide case. I see the notability notice has been removed but I still think we need to see firm recommendations of her work.--Ipigott (talk) 16:32, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I was the one to remove the notability tag, largely after finding the (brief) FAZ coverage; international coverage of deaths of nonnotable people is imo rare. There's two sources in the article that pre-date her death; one is very short, the other (the website Cultured) I can't comment on the reliability. I couldn't find a lot more on Ebsco/PQ top level searches but haven't tried searching specific publishers/newspapers, which I find usually gives better results. Espresso Addict (talk) 16:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the FAZ article was certainly worth including as a source. It is actually based on this Lisson Gallery article which also mentions two awards. Strange to say, while the Lisson article would probably be considered a primary source, when it is quoted in a German newspaper, the details it reveals become acceptable. I've found quite a few recent articles in the foreign press about her but they simply report her disappearance and death, e.g. this one in Danish.--Ipigott (talk) 11:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, I don't know what we can make of the Lisson Gallery source, as they were (and possibly still are) selling Cunningham's works. It might be worth adding reputable news sources from other countries, even if they have no further information, just to indicate that the death has hit news internationally. Does anyone know whether Cultured or Cultured Magazine ([1]) is reliable? It looks ok but I can't find an article on it. Espresso Addict (talk) 14:54, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a newish Wikipedia article, Cultured (magazine). TSventon (talk) 16:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh, thanks, TSventon -- all I was finding was a magazine on cultivating cannabis! ETA: Ah, looks to have been recreated this year after deletion in 2020: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cultured Magazine. Espresso Addict (talk) 16:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Copyright symbol with a line through it?

Yesterday, I started a biography on Margaret O'Connor Wilson. I found this page which has an 1880 photo of her, which I've added to the article's External Links section. The page with the 1880 photo has a section titled "Rights". The Rights section has a "C" symbol with a line through it followed by the words "IN THE UNITED STATES". Does anyone know what this means? Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Rosiestep the symbol links to a page with an explanation beginning The organization that has made the Item available believes that the Item is in the Public Domain under the laws of the United States. TSventon (talk) 17:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, TSventon! I didn't notice that the symbol had a link! And, of course, I'm grateful that the photo is in the Public Domain. I'll upload it now. Thanks again. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Anne Leahy

If anyone can help locate sources on Leahy I would appreciate it. I found one solid book in google books which I shared at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anne Leahy but would appreciate help locating other WP:RS. Thanks.4meter4 (talk) 06:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, 4meter4, for drawing our attention to this. I saw the AfD had been withdrawn but thought it would be useful to add three more citations.--Ipigott (talk) 11:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the help gathering WP:RS. I figured there had to be more out there due to the significance of that book entry.4meter4 (talk) 15:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Harriette Kershaw Leiding

I would be happy to have some help with this biography of a Charleston, South Carolina author (also a photographer?). I found precious little biographical information but her works are interesting. Thanks! FloridaArmy (talk) 13:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Expanded somewhat, added refs, links, infobox. Turns out both her grandfathers already have Wikipedia articles, so she can have incoming links from both of their pages too. Penny Richards (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

AfD on Beverly J. Stoeltje

Hello again -- Expertise required for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beverly J. Stoeltje; folklore/anthropology academic, with interests in things as diverse as rodeo, beauty pageants, queen mothers in Ghana. Thanks, Espresso Addict (talk) 19:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

The AfD was withdrawn and closed, but the article is still tagged as having too many primary sources and could possibly be improved using the sources that were found within the AfD. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I've had a little go with some of the sources I uncovered, but left the tag in place. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Lisa Sharkey

If anyone can help locate WP:RS on Sharkey I would appreciate it. I found this video on her being honored as a distinguished alumni at Washington University in St. Louis in 2024: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPOmW1p5cxg There are some notable awards listed in her wikipedia biography, but the sourcing for them is apparently not good which is why it is now at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Sharkey.4meter4 (talk) 21:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Parker Molloy

Project members may wish to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parker Molloy. All opinions welcome, and any assistance in locating WP:RS is appreciated.4meter4 (talk) 03:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Help finding photos of White House officials

There are three Chiefs of Staff to the First Lady of the United States that are missing an image. I think it is likely that public domain photos exist for at least some of them. It would be awesome if someone with more experience in this area could help find them and put in Commons!

• Susan Porter Rose (1989–1993) Barbara Bush
• Maggie Williams (1993–1997), Hilary Clinton
• Lindsay Reynolds (2017–2020), Melania Trump

TJMSmith (talk) 17:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Translating Pages to English Wiki

I realise page translation is not something "new" editors are allowed to do. However, I've found a number of the WD list Engineers already have pages in other languages and other engineers I've found also have pages on other language wikis.

Can someone advise on what the best way forward is to bring some of these important women over to English wiki? Can I get permission to use the translator tool or do I have to wait until I have enough edits/months/years? Is someone else happy to do translations if they are shown the wiki pages?

Any other suggestions in this space would be great thank you. TheResilientEngineer (talk) 07:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe anyone is encouraged to use the translation tool? And as far as I know the main problem with translation is not doing the actual translation, it is verifying the material. Most of the other encyclopedias have laxer referencing standards than now prevail here. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

So the expectation is that the article is re-written and re-referenced for english wiki? How does one then link the two articles as being about the same person? TheResilientEngineer (talk) 07:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

The article needs to follow en Wikipedia policies, so it is likely to need some re-writing and re-referencing. Articles about the same subject are linked through Wikidata. TSventon (talk) 08:00, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks both for explaining and for confirming my suspicions! TheResilientEngineer (talk) 08:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

As you have written a few articles already, you could try doing a translation and get feedback here. You could look at some articles via Google translate or similar to see how much re-writing and re-referencing they would need. It might be easiest to start with articles in west European languages, or languages you can understand, ideally both. Then choose an article and check that the subject meets en Wikipedia notability guidelines. Translated content needs to be acknowledged by an edit summary see Help:Translation. TSventon (talk) 09:00, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

To make sure I understand—have you found these entries in languages you speak fluently enough to translate yourself? If so I believe that’s entirely welcome, subject (as EA and TS indicate) to verifying the sourcing for all material and applying en-wiki’s content and notability policies (information being present another wiki does not guarantee it is eligible for inclusion on this one.)

If instead though, these are entries in languages you don’t speak, then the difficulty is it’s really just as much work as starting an entry fresh (since you have to recheck all the sources) but with an added, significant risk of error and creating more work for yourself/others because you’ll need to rely on often unreliable auto translators to tell you what the entry as well as its sources (supposedly) say. I think an easier route to writing entries of good quality is to look for candidates in languages you do know, whether or not they have an entry elsewhere. We have really long red lists of suggestions—no shortage of deserving women to choose from! Innisfree987 (talk) 13:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Translating is a great way to create articles for multiple underrepresented populations at the same time. I've found that it's not too difficult as long as you have a very basic knowledge of the source language and are fluent in the destination one. I outlined my general process here a while back. Nick Number (talk) 06:15, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Most of my recent biographies have been triggered by articles in other language versions of Wikipedia, particularly those about Scandinavians. I don't use machine translation but often draw on the citations given, complementing them by sources I find myself. This can lead to substantially improved coverage. That said, members of the OKA taskforce, generally succeed in producing high-quality translations using DeepL which is based on artificial intelligence. I make use of this system to improve articles which have been based on Google translate or other systems without adequate post-editing. If you decide to translate articles from European languages, TheResilientEngineer, I would be happy to help and may be able to suggest additional sourcing (biographical dictionaries, newspapers and journals, etc.)--Ipigott (talk) 08:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  Wow I was totally unaware of that project. How interesting, thank you for flagging. Innisfree987 (talk) 08:46, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for writing and sharing that @Nick Number. If you’d be willing, I think copying it to a user space page so it could be referenced as an essay might be a very helpful resource to many new translators! Innisfree987 (talk) 08:43, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

It might be even better to try to improve Help:Translation. As far as I can see, we do not need any specific recommendations in connection with women's biographies unless we somehow try to prevent WiR contributors posting raw machine translations which they have been unable to post-edit. We have had quite a few of these recently from one of our Polish contributors who over-estimates her competence in English. Perhaps something for our Primer?--Ipigott (talk) 17:22, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

That does sound worthy. It’s probably not something I can help with because as I mention, I haven’t found translating entries from other wikis to work out well for me as a means of creating entries, so I don’t personally have any tips; I was just thinking Nick Number’s piece was already written so it would be trivial to copy-paste. But certainly I think help for those who do want to do translations is needed. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:22, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Generally, tackling articles in languages you can't read should be avoided. Johnbod (talk) 20:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

It's a shame, because it does lead to clear bias towards the anglosphere, but I have to agree with Johnbod. There's just too much chance of introducing errors, which then get assimilated everywhere else. Perhaps we need a review board of people fluent in particular languages? I was, for example, thinking of starting Marie de Vivier but am put off by my French not being adequate for reading crit and would welcome a French-fluent collaborator. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@Espresso Addict:: If you would like to prepare a draft translation of Marie de Vivier, I would be happy to help. More generally, in my experience, the main problem is not so much the lack of fluency in other languages on the part of English-speaking contributors but rather the translations into English made by native speakers of the source languages involved. Quite a few of them have an inflated view of their proficiency in English. That said, there are many who have an adequate command of English to provide acceptable translations. Indeed, many of the articles from countries such as Georgia, Poland and Iceland are created by nationals with a good knowledge of written English. But maybe we could consider translations of women's biographies as the basis of one of our monthly events next year. In that connection, we could put together a set of guidelines.--Ipigott (talk) 11:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Ipigott -- I may well take you up on that! I like the idea of a monthly event focused on translations; I've wanted to try my hand at translation for ages, but never quite dared. Espresso Addict (talk) 16:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

RD nomination for Barbara Taylor Bradford

Hello all, There's a recent death nomination for Barbara Taylor Bradford. I've done some work on the article, but would welcome more help with it as there is a divide as to whether its in good enough shape. Lajmmoore (talk) 11:47, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Women in Red December 2024

Women in Red | December 2024, Vol 10, Issue 12, Nos 293, 294, 324, 325 Online events: New: Women who died in 2024 | Religion Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcements from other communities Women in Religion have a monthly virtual edit-a-thon and the next session is December 2nd 4:00 - 5:00 p.m. CST. For Zoom meeting details, contact Dzingle1 or RosPost. Women in Red members are welcome to join the Zoom Meeting here Tip of the month: Think of rewarding contributors, especially newcomers, with a barnstar. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

--Lajmmoore (talk 18:43, 29 November 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Is she still alive?

I'm working on Draft:Mary Chalmers for this week and I haven't found any indication she's deceased. She would be 97 if she's still alive, which is possible, but I admit to being a bit skeptical. Anyone have any input or insight? Silverseren^C 06:47, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

That's well within the 115-year threshold of WP:BDP. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

You could ask the universities that hold her archives if they have any recent information. TSventon (talk) 08:51, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Good to be cautious. I've started a few articles assuming the subject must be dead, only to discover that they're very much alive, past 100 years of age. Penny Richards (talk) 17:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Most recent example for me: Alice Shepard Cary (b. 1920) was a medical missionary in Japan after World War II. Assumed I'd find an obit; instead, I found mention of her 104th birthday celebration earlier this year. So, as of six months ago, she was still alive. Penny Richards (talk) 17:59, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone. I'll just mark her under living people until evidence proves otherwise. Silverseren^C 18:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

I thought Eileen Kramer was pretty amazing when I started her article in 2017, when she was 103, but she has just recently died, aged 110 (and danced, albeit in a chair, for an award-winning 2022 video!) (For some reason I didn't add a WiR tag - I usually credit "#1woman1day" with any articles I create on women which don't fit WiR current editathons). PamD 22:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

I saw Eileen dance in Sydney in about 2015. Amazing, beautiful and graceful dancer. Oronsay (talk) 23:06, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Opportunity to get involved with our events each month in 2025

Hello friends! This is a warm and open invitation to Women in Redders to get (more) involved with organising, planning and checking our monthly event pages during 2025! What's involved?

• Mid-month - checking the ideas page and seeing what we have previously discussed
• Next, setting up basic templates for each event and the invite
• Next, filling in the template with redlists, extra text, images
• Close to end of month, checking the events for spelling/grammar
• End of month, mass messaging our wider community

There's a core team who work on this each month, but the bigger the team the lighter the load, so please do leave a comment if you'd be happy to lend your skills. We can answer questions and provide guidance, and you can sign up here - we'd love it if you can lend a hand! Lajmmoore (talk) 09:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

One of the most important parts of preparing our monthly events is designing a suitable icon, usually in connection with one of the new events. Such icons can also be added to our invitations. WomenArtistUpdates has contributed a stunning series of images over the years but it would be great if any of our other participants feel able to handle the art work. This usually consists of combining the basic WiR image with pertinent additions. Any offers?--Ipigott (talk) 11:52, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Updating our Events page

I tried to update our Events page for December but could not cope with the new template-driven layout. Could someone please help.--Ipigott (talk) 07:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC) Pinging MSGJ for assistance.--Ipigott (talk) 11:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

• I'm happy to see that the Events displayed on our main WiR page correctly present our schedule for November. I can't understand why this is not reflected on the Events page. Can anyone shed light on this anomaly?--Ipigott (talk) 14:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

  It's a mystery to me. Both pages contain exactly the same code so I have no idea why only one page has updated with December events. Oronsay (talk) 17:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

• I can see the proper header on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events, but not elsewhere on pages that use that header template. I feel like something somewhere needs to be purged, and I do not know how to do that. Many folks in the US are traveling over this holiday weekend. Perhaps Monday it will be fixed or MSGJ can look under the hood. I can't figure out what is going on either. Template:WIR meetup header seems fine--WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

BTW - the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Events is populated automatically so no edits should be made to that page. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

The main page and the events page look the same to me now so I presume that somebody did purge the page which had not updated. Clicking edit on a page and then publish changes, without making any changes should purge it, i.e. prompt it to update itself. TSventon (talk) 18:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

MSGJOronsayTSventonIpigott All is well...the calendar rolled over so we now have no upcoming events and Women who died in 2024 and Religion have moved to New this month: . --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Glad it's all sorted. A purge is often required on the first day of the month — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

My own edit to the page, ten minutes before WAU's comment above, probably had the desired "purging" effect. Pity such purging cannot be handled automatically around the first of the month. I'll try to remember to purge the page if it fails to update in future.--Ipigott (talk) 07:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Damyanti Gupta

Hi! I created a new page for Damyanti Gupta, the first female engineer at Ford Motor Company. I'm excited to contribute a page highlighting a South Asian woman in STEM. Please take a look at the page I've created and provide your thoughts! Would also love support on making the page even better! Thanks! Whitestar12 (talk) 04:36, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Some more references would be good to shore the article up. Give me a sec, I'll take a look around. Silverseren^C 05:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Okay, Whitestar12, here's what I found after a quick check.

• Michigan mom celebrated as a trailblazer at Ford Motor Company
• From India to Ford dream job (Page 2)
• Fort Myers mom follows in Henry Ford's footsteps (Page 2)

Hope that helps! Silverseren^C 05:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

This is perfect! Thank you for sharing these resources. I'll take a look & improve the article further.

Truly appreciate the support!

Whitestar12 (talk) 15:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Had a quick question. Someone added the following tag to the article:

This article may contain an excessive amount of intricate detail that may interest only a particular audience. (December 2024)

When I compare this article to other articles (i.e. Indra Nooyi), it does not seem overly detailed to me. Can someone validate and confirm? If it is overly detailed, would love some help or suggestions on where to simplify.

Thanks! Whitestar12 (talk) 15:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Hmm, well, just from giving a general read of the article, Whitestar12, I would say some sentences are unnecessary and just add volume without much extra information. For example, He addressed not just the boys but also the girls. This is where Gupta was first exposed to the word "engineer." could just be removed. Other sentences, such as Gupta came across a book about Henry Ford. From that moment she dreamed of working for the company. could be combined and shortened. Things like that. The strike and layoffs paragraph later on also seems much more detailed than necessary for a general biography. Silverseren^C 22:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! I'll go back and clean up the verbiage and make it more concise. Whitestar12 (talk) 02:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Any advice on how to find an image for her page? I want to be sure I follow the image use policy, WP:IUP; however, I've never added an image to a biography before. Whitestar12 (talk) 02:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

That's a bit difficult since she's still among the living, so we can't just use any photo of her and claim historicity. If you can't find any photos of her in the public domain, maybe someone else on here can help? You can also put this template on the talk page to hopefully have someone else come up with a usable photo. Silverseren^C 03:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Kaarina Aho

Please review, patrol, tidy, etc. recently added short (quasi-stub) about the Finnish ceramist Kaarina Aho. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I've added her to Aho (name).PamD 13:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I marked the article as "reviewed". --Rosiestep (talk) 15:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Razia Sultanova

This article on an ethnomusicologist who has five books and a bunch of grant-funded fellowships (according to the draft, anyway) could use some help getting it over the line; someone with this long a history of published research is almost always notable. View claims about the University of Cambridge with a grain of salt, though - one of the external links points to Cambridge Muslim College, which is absolutely not the same thing. -- asilvering (talk) 13:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes I've changed those. It's not part of UofC at all "We are an independent higher education institution dedicated to Islamic scholarship & leadership based in the heart of the historic university city of Cambridge." Johnbod (talk) 14:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can see the article currently has no independent sources. As a start, JSTOR has two reviews of "From Shamanism to Sufism: Women, Islam and Culture in Central Asia". TSventon (talk) 14:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Looks as if it will require substantial improvement based on acceptable sources if it is to be brought "over the line". I have not been able to find any valid independent sources.--Ipigott (talk) 15:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I've added some of her publications and some reviews of her works/brief discussion of her work in other books. More work is definitely needed though. ForsythiaJo (talk) 18:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

There's 34 hits for her in Grove Music Online, but unfortunately all seem to be written by her not about her; nevertheless it strongly suggests that she is regarded as an expert in her field, especially as she is one of the coauthors of their article on Uzbekistan. Espresso Addict (talk) 19:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

She seems to be, or have been, connected with the University of Cambridge since 2008 as well as with the Cambridge Muslim College. But it's frustratingly difficult to find a clear statement.

I think the multiply-reviewed publication "From Shamanism to Sufism", and the acknowledgement of expertise in being an author in Grove, should establish her notability. But I wish I could find a current profile - she had a personal webpage but it seems to have been last updated 2015 and is now a dead link, and the Muslim College doesn't have the detailed CV-type staff profiles that a university would have. PamD 21:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

The connection with the University of Cambridge could easily be that she (freelance) supervises; if she were a fellow of one of the colleges I think the fact would Google higher. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I think it's "fellow" as in "had a research fellowship", meaning that Cambridge hosted her while she was working on some grant-funded research. Thanks everyone for all your work on this so far. -- asilvering (talk) 22:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

There's an extended personal introduction to her in the first chapter of Women Musicians of Uzbekistan: From Courtyard to Conservatory by Tanya Merchant (University of Illinois Press, 2015; Project Muse); I don't know how much it speaks to notability, but some background details might perhaps be sourced to it. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Garvita Gulhati

Hi! I just created a new page for Garvita Gulhati. She was one of the names on this Wiki Project's redlinks index, under "Activists." Please take a look and provide your thoughts! Would also appreciate any support in improving the page further. Excited to be more involved with this Wiki Project! Thanks! Whitestar12 (talk) 01:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)