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Woman of the day: a new one each day from our women's biographies

National Allotment Week (UK)

Hello folks! Next month as part of National Allotment Week in the UK, I've been invited to speak on a panel about women and vegetable gardening. Its come about because I told a friend about the event on Plants & Gardens (which started as an idea in my head), and like lots of others here try to regularly edit about women in botany/biology/etc. I have a ten minute slot & I wondered a) if there are key things you'd like me to mention and b) if any of the stats wranglers had any figures for how green-fingered professions might have improved (or not) while the project has been running. (I bet Women in Science has also done a lot of contributing too) Lajmmoore (talk) 21:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't know the history, but Category:Women horticulturists and gardeners currently has 63 members. TSventon (talk) 22:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Lajmmoore, I checked the contents of Category:Women horticulturists and gardeners and only 23 of the articles existed when Women in Red started in 2015 (marked x below), so 40 have been added since, including some by yourself. TSventon (talk) 14:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Contents of category

Helen Vickroy Austin 2017 Ernesta Drinker Ballard 2011 x Helen Ballard 2020 Iris Bannochie 2006 x Émile Napoléon Baumann 2018 Jelena de Belder-Kovačič 2018 Rae Selling Berry 2015 x Sue Biggs 2018 Sylvia Blankenship 2023 Andrea Brunsendorf 2018 Maggie Campbell-Culver 2013 x Angelika Campbell, Countess Cawdor 2024 Pamela Cunningham Copeland 2017 Emma G. Cummings 2018 Anna de Diesbach 2009 x Margaret Bell Douglas 2019 Jane Edmanson 2018 Margery Fish 2016 Catherine FitzGerald 2019 Olive Fitzhardinge 2012 x Elizabeth Gilmer 2009 x Jane Norton Grew 2023 Annie Gulvin 2018 Jane B. Haines 2020 Beatrix Havergal 2009 x Isabelle Bowen Henderson 2024 Amelia Egerton, Lady Hume 2018 Alice Hutchins (gardener) 2021 Charlotte Knight 2015 x Snježana Kordić 2012 x Joy Larkcom 2021 Abra Lee 2021 Norah Lindsay 2009 x Cecily Littleton 2022 Tatjana Ljujić-Mijatović 2018 Mary McMurtrie 2014 x Corinne Melchers 2020 Hilda Murrell 2004 x Lady Dorothy Nevill 2008 x Anna B. Nickels 2021 Ethel Anson Peckham 2015 y Frances Perry (gardener) 2007 x Elza Polak 2018 Nora Pöyhönen 2016 Hortensia del Prado 2021 Isabella Preston 2016 Chrystabel Procter 2018 Elsie Reford 2010 x Patricia Easterbrook Roberts 2018 Eleanour Sinclair Rohde 2006 x Lester Gertrude Ellen Rowntree 2014 x Kate Sessions 2006 x Theodosia Burr Shepherd 2018 Holly Shimizu 2021 Midori Shintani (horticulturalist) 2021 Lady Beatrix Stanley 2020 Frances Tophill 2015 x Elisa Bailly de Vilmorin 2014 x Edna Walling 2005 x Susana, Lady Walton 2010 x Karen Washington 2017 Cynthia Westcott 2017 Frances Garnet Wolseley, 2nd Viscountess Wolseley 2016

if anyone would like to come along, there's a link to register here: https://zoom.us/meeting/register/tJYsceigqzgpG9aiYOqEhtOaMv-86VhSTWi5?fbclid=IwY2xjawEnUERleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHXIZvHrlFDKV34UjXIT4DNP-rWCCkwDB0MZSx-tffJx3T9KuQNg-TpW9rg_aem_5--KsX4gLnuX9C4n9rbcAw#/registration Lajmmoore (talk) 21:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Women in Red & National allotment week slides

For anyone interested, the slides I used are uploaded to Commons now! Bear in mind I had 12 minutes, there was a lot of interest in this project, and the wider world of Wikimedia Lajmmoore (talk) 21:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikimedian of the year

I'm pleased to see that once again the Wikimedian of the year (2024) is a women, namely Clovermoss who has been a member of Women in Red since February 2018. Many of us will remember her by her Editor reflections. Well done, Clovermoss! Quite an achievement.--Ipigott (talk) 10:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Slight correction, I joined this WikiProject in February 2019 (I didn't start editing at all until September 2018). Thank you for the ping, I'm honoured to be mentioned here. I've never been the most active on the writing women's biography angle but I do try to improve our coverage on subjects that at the very least women like me are interested in. Some examples of that are: no kid zones, Rock 'n Play, and Creatable World. My only GA is Katherine Hughes (activist). Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:04, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

My congratulations to you, as well, Clovermoss. Well done! Enjoy the honor and I hope you revel in whatever is ahead. BTW... that your only GA is a woman activist... fantastic! --Rosiestep (talk) 11:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

She was on the redlink list here once upon a time. Now she isn't. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations @Clovermoss you're an inspiration! Lajmmoore (talk) 21:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

By the way, a new stub has been created at Hannah Clover - congrats! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hannah Clover/ PamD 08:05, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Daniela Larreal RD

Similar notice to above, except the article itself doesn’t need attention, I’ve significantly expanded it already. It is nominated at ITN, and the nom would appreciate some attention, in part due to the circumstances around the discovery of her death meaning it’s just been nommed but already in the lower half of the page. Kingsif (talk) 16:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Kingsif: In cases like this, it's important to post the item asap. It seems to me that thanks to your additions, she is adequately covered in the article.--Ipigott (talk) 16:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Women connected to Jesus College, Oxford

Hello all, I was contacted by someone from Jesus College, Oxford, who is involved with an initiative to celebrate "hidden figures" in the college, as they are celebrating the anniversary of the college admitting women later this year. They shared a list with me, in case editors here might feel inspired by some of the names:

• Almeria Vaughan daughter sister of Peter Vaughan, the Warden of Merton College, who married the Jesus College principal David Hughes only for him to shoot himself some weeks later... ref
• Anne Rastell, she was the aunt of poet John Donne, was married to Griffith Lloyd- he was the first principal of the College 1572 to 1586.
• Jane Thelwall, the mother of college benefactor Eubule Thelwall and her portrait with Eubule as a child on her knee still hangs in the College WD (image)
• Goody Asaph her portrait wearing a traditional Welsh tall hat hangs in the Principal’s Lodgings “a seventeenth-century portrait of an unknown serving woman offering an onion to a monkey on her right arm; she is sometimes called ‘Goody Asaph’.(image) - I wonder if her portrait is notable, rather than her?
• Mary Bayning, daughter of the first Viscount Bayning, married William Villiers, 2nd Viscount Grandison, and was the mother of Barbara, Duchess of Cleveland, mistress of Charles II.
• Elspeth Hughes-Davies campaigner for womens’ education, womens’ votes, Celtic studies, educational reform, wife of Principal John Rhŷs, in 1878 she hosted in College the inaugural meeting of the Association for the Education of Women, the committee which led to women’s colleges being formed in Oxford, (ref) & her daughters Myvanwy Rhys (1874-1945) - mentioned in the 1911 census as researcher in history; living in the principal’s lodgings in college & Olwen Rhys decoded a Greek and Latin cryptogram in the Juvencus Manuscript (ref to archive) & the Olwen scholarship (ref)
• May Harper a leading figure in the cultural salons of the early twentieth century: the daughter of Principal Daniel Harper lived in the Principal’s lodgings and was an exponent of literary circles with friends including Oscar Wilde. (ref)
• Alix Jennings an artist in her own right, she stepped in to help when the College needed a portrait of T E Lawrence to be done posthumously. born in Carlisle as Alice Agnes Thomson the daughter of a plumber and engineer she lived to age 96. (ref) (ref)

I've added the list to the Education event, but I'm dropping it here in case anyone is looking for inspiration - quite a few are connected to Wales as Jesus College has historic links with the country. My understanding is that the college is creating a trail, and when you find a person, you'll scan a QR code to go to more information, and I think some of the places you will go to are Wikipedia articles which already exist e.g. Saint Frideswide owned the land the college was built on, so the link will go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frithuswith (but don't hold me to this as I'm just passing on info, rather than being directly involved). Thanks in advance Lajmmoore (talk) 21:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mvolz and Uffda608: you may be interested in this. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:51, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I have added some wikilinks. TSventon (talk) 23:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Just adding to a note to say I started a stub for Jennings Lajmmoore (talk) 18:00, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the info about this @Lajmmoore! I'd love to help - I'd be interested in working on a page about Elspeth Hughes-Davies, if no one else has started that yet? Manxshearwater (talk) 14:21, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Page on Elspeth Hughes-Davies has been created and will work on pages for Olwen and Myfanwy now! Manxshearwater (talk) 19:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much @Manxshearwater - this is great news! Lajmmoore (talk) 16:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore We now have Olwen and Myvanwy Rhys! I have been looking for info on the others but have not been able to find much at all sadly but will carry on looking. Manxshearwater (talk) 11:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

That's amazing @Manxshearwater - I guess if new pages can't be set up, maybe adding information to their relatives, plus a redicrect would be useful (if there's time/inclination) Lajmmoore (talk) 15:53, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Also - Women in Red have been invited to the launch of the trail about women on 21 September - @Manxshearwater would you be interested in going? It's pretty far for me to travel & you've done a lot more work on these women - message me via the UK Telegram group if you like? Lajmmoore (talk) 15:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore Adding more info and redirects sounds like a good plan. That would be brilliant, thanks so much for letting me know! Manxshearwater (talk) 10:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

FR-WP: from 14% to 20% of biographies are about women

Congratulations to FR-WP for reaching this milestone! See here for more information. -- Rosiestep (talk) 16:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Like ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:31, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

That's a really good result for the French. --Ipigott (talk) 05:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Other language WPs ≥20% biographies about women

Indeed, Humaniki for 5 August shows 20.028% for French but it also shows several other European Languages have passed the 20% milestone: Norwegian 24.950%, Spanish 23.405%, Swedish 22.504%, Finnish 21,404; Catalan 21.198% and Portuguese 20.413%. Now that English is at 19.907%, it looks as if we'll soon be among the twenty percenters too.--Ipigott (talk) 05:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I decided to take a closer look at women's coverage in other languages by submitting "All" on Humaniki. Some of the results for reasonably well developed versions of Wikipedia are unexpectedly high:

• Punjabi 56.075%
• Igbo (Nigeria) 47.268%
• Asturian 42.809%
• Malaysian 39,629
• Hausa (Nigeria) 36.684%
• Afrikaans 35.674

Others listed at over 20% include Basque, Georgian, Cantonese, Korean, Armenian, Hindi, Georgian, Macedonian, Marathi (India), Indonesian, Albanian, Gaelic, Hebrew, Galician and Persian. While the criteria for including biographies of women in some of these may not be as strict as for the English Wikipedia, these results indicate a real interest for writing women's biographies in versions covering some of the world's most important languages.--Ipigott (talk) 08:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

NB that "All" doesn't actually mean all for some reason. For instance the Inari Saami wp is missing from the list; its percentage is 50.1% today. - Yupik (talk) 01:39, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Yupik, this is indeed a serious omission, especially as 50.1% women biographies is quite an achievement. It would be useful if Maximilianklein could incorporate it for future listings. With over 23,000 articles since 2012, it looks as if it should have been included when Humaniki was released in mid-2021.--Ipigott (talk) 07:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Yupik, it seems that Inari Sámi Wikipedia and Humaniki both launched in 2020, so it may be that Inari Sámi WP was not included because it was too new or hadn't opened when Humaniki was being developed. TSventon (talk) 12:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Could be, but then Humaniki is missing out on statistics from a lot of the newer Wikipedias, many of which are from digitally underrepresented communities. - Yupik (talk) 13:00, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree, hopefully more languages can be added. TSventon (talk) 13:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Was talking about this yesterday (with my user:Sara Thomas (WMUK) hat on), and did a rough calc that we need 1815.6 1816 articles to get to 20% on en.wiki.... Lirazelf (talk) 10:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I tried my own calculations using the 5 August figures, including other genders. My estimate is that an extra 2340 female articles would have been needed to reach 20% on 5 August. If I assume that 30% of new articles are female and 70% are male or other an extra 5615 female articles would be needed. TSventon (talk) 13:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

• Don't forget the Welsh wp at 50% (or used to be). But they only had 20k bios in total, & the 50% was reached by a frankly artificial translation push from English. I wonder if there have been similar effects in other languages? Johnbod (talk) 17:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

There is an article about Punjabi Wikipedia here, which mentions Mission 50,000, a call-for-action to reach 50,000 articles, in order to celebrate the 21st birthday of Punjabi Wikipedia. TSventon (talk) 19:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

To be practical, should we start thinking about how we (& other allied gender projects) might celebrate when we *do* hit 20%? (I'm assuming we *would* want to celebrate and share the collaborative success somehow) - what would that look like for our community?

I also wonder whether we should draft a statement together, and in doing so highlight the other language Wikipedias above? Lajmmoore (talk) 19:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Lajmmoore that it should be a time of celebration, and we should plan for it.

All... What do you think about an Open Letter on Meta-wiki, written in tandem with the the other language WPs who have reached/surpassed 20%? This way, it isn't just EN-WP honking its horn.

And/or we could write a piece for "Diff" and The Signpost?

Do we want help from WMF Comms in developing various comms? (I know the folks in that department...) Maybe they could get the attention of the "big" "international" newspapers to write about it, too? --Rosiestep (talk) 20:11, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

A first step might simply be to bring this discussion to the attention of those concerned with improving coverage of women at Meta. For some of the languages, such as those in Nigeria, the efforts of the WMF seem to have achieved the intended objectives. As for an article in Signpost, work could now begin on a draft but I suggest we wait for confirmation of 20% on the EN wiki before publication. As for Welsh Wikipedia, it should have been included with 50.382% women on 5 August.--Ipigott (talk) 05:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

There is discussion happening in the various Telegram groups about this (rather than on Meta-wiki). For those of you who are interested in learning more about the TG groups, e.g., WikiWomen or GenderGap, feel free to ping me. --Rosiestep (talk) 11:44, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Based on my calculation of the further articles needed it could take around 3 months from 5 August to reach 20%, so now is a good time to start planning. TSventon (talk) 23:44, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Call for papers

WikiProject Women in Religion is happy to announce the release of the "Call for Submissions" for Volume Four of the Women in Religion biographies series published with the Parliament of the World's Religions. The working title for this volume is Women Challenging Dominant Religious Practices and Expectations through Women-centered Traditions and Spiritualities. Please consider a proposal; if interested, see here or contact Colleen Hartung (User:Dzingle1). The submission deadline is September 15, 2024. We are looking forward to another successful publication that will allow us to continue our work of raising up the visibility of so many noteworthy women who remain undercovered, both in the general scholarship and on Wikipedia.

See here for information about volumes 1-3: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Religion#Women in Religion series. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Artis Henderson

My draft bio for Artis Henderson was declined. I'll try again after her next book comes out in 2025. Unless anyone has suggestions? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 12:56, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Artis_Henderson Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 12:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Ah, Safari Scribe, huh? Once again. I'm definitely seeing an WP:NJOURNALIST pass for #3 with creating a "significant or well-known work", but you could probably better emphasize that by adding the reviews. Check out how I set up the book reviews reference list for Bryan Mealer and you can do the same for Henderson's book. Here's the reviews that I found from a quick search.

• Book review: ‘Un-Remarried Widow,’ by Artis Henderson - Dallas Morning News
• BOOK REVIEW: ‘Unremarried Widow’ By Artis Henderson - San Antonio Report
• Book review: Un-Remarried Widow, by Artis Henderson - South China Morning Post
• 'Un-Remarried Widow': Toll of war touchingly told by soldier's wife - The Columbus Dispatch
• 'Unremarried Widow' recounts how Army wife lost husband in Iraq 4 months after wedding (review) - Mlive
• Review: "Unremarried Widow" - Columbia Magazine
• Unremarried Widow: A Memoir by Artis Henderson - The Week
• Book Shelf: Unremarried Widow - Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors
• ’Artis Henderson’s memoir will be on my list of best of 2014’ - Macleans
• REVIEW: 'Unremarried Widow,' by Artis Henderson - Minnesota Star Tribune
• Nonfiction Reviews: Unremarried Widow - Publishers Weekly
• Unremarried Widow - The Booklist
• Young war widow's memoir a revealing portrait of grief - The Buffalo News

In addition to those as reviews, you can probably also use this (Page 2) to add some more biographical details. And then there's this long form journal analysis, which seems like it should be usable in the text for something. Silverseren^C 14:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Working on it, tysm. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 17:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Do you think it's ready now? Draft:Artis Henderson Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 18:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I made a couple minor changes. But I think it's good to go now. Feel free to re-submit. If it gets declined again (which I admit is entirely possible with how overly strict AfC is in not properly following their own rules), then I'll just move it to mainspace myself. Silverseren^C 18:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Great ty! Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 18:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Silver seren, it sounds like you've noticed a bunch of poor declines by this editor before. Have you been pointing them out to him? I've noticed some weird declines too but in general he seems happy to learn when it's pointed out to him by more experienced editors. -- asilvering (talk) 18:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

In my view, her memoir alone should be enough for WP:AUTHOR #3 (as she has created [...] a well-known work [which is] the primary subject of multiple independent [...] reviews). It looks as if she has received a fair bit of coverage (and accolades) beyond this for her other work too (the Fulbright-National Geographic Award, one would think, is a significant award or honor enough for WP:ANYBIO #1). I'm stumped as to why we would NOT want an article (or at the very least, a stub) about her. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I definitely agree that she is notable (she meets both WP:AUTHOR and has SIGCOV) and she deserves an article. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 16:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I've revised the draft. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 18:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I've created items on wikidata for both Artis Henderson and Unremarried Widow (which might be worth stubbing too) in anticipation of this article being published quickly. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 09:42, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
PS: That was fast. Thank you, Ipigott! -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 09:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Mystery (or perhaps "mistry")

Along the lines of the Artis Henderson discussion above, another article which has not had much success clearing the bar at AfC is Draft:Brittany Spanos. Here too, I'm baffled by why we would NOT want a short article about this person (whose work is cited over a thousand times in this very encyclopaedia).

In this case, I honestly feel like the original AfD may have been a (rather hasty) mistrial of sorts. When I now read Due to the recent AfD discussion that resulted in a consensus to delete based on a lack of notability, this draft must overcome those concerns in order to be accepted, I do wonder if the stain of the previous AfD has introduced an inadvertent prejudice that has led to yet another mistrial.

The history of the draft has been preserved on Talk, if anyone has the heart (or stomach) to take this one on. I did my best – short of simply overriding the reviewer who declined the article via AfC (which may also be an option).

Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 15:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0:: I see there has been no further work on this since 1 July. While in my opinion the earlier draft met basic notability criteria, the fact that it was deleted on the basis of a discussion will make it difficult to justify unless significant new developments come to light.--Ipigott (talk) 07:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ipigott: Yes, that is because my feeling was (and remains) that the reviewer who knocked it back (July 1) didn't actually take much time to consider the history in detail, nor did they acknowledge the fact that I essentially re-worked the whole thing from top to tail before re-submitting (June 30) it was re-submitted, by which time it was already a completely different article from the draft that was deleted (and subsequently draftified) post-AfD – which itself, had been (and was still in the process of being) heavily revised between the initial submission and rather abrupt conclusion of the AfD. Hence my frustration and why I'm rather flummoxed by the whole affair (again, see Talk). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 08:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: I'm rather confused about the history of the article and would be interested to see the version that was first refused (with date) as it would be useful to see exactly what changes were made before the draft was again refused on 1 July. I think FormalDude, who is a member of Women in Red and has produced excellent work, may be interested in this discussion and in the details on the draft article's talk page. I think it would also be useful to pick out three or four of the sources which provide informative details of the subject rather than just passing mentions. Reviewers do not have time to look at a long string of sources in detail and sometimes base their decisions on monitoring just a few of the references.--Ipigott (talk) 13:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Having already sunk way too much time into this one, I am loathe to escalate this into anything even vaguely resembling a contentious spat. That said, of course FormalDude's take would be welcome. My perspective is simply that I don't think the article ever really got a fair review from the moment it landed at AfD – which is where I first spotted it (I didn't originate it, nor do I particularly care about the subject). Dsp13 (who made the original stub) may also be able to help with context/history. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 14:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, to help ease any confusion about versions: article sent to AfD (Feb 6); deleted and then draftied (Feb 15); re-submission (May 23); my AFCH comments (June 30). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 15:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: In my view, what's played out is a rather normal and routine process of Wikipedia. A topic with borderline notability was discussed by the community at WP:AfD and editors made policy-based arguments in favor of keeping and deleting the article, and it so happened that a consensus emerged in favor of deletion. While I would've voted to keep the article, it's important to understand and accept that other editors are making valid arguments. Maybe you're seeing something in that AfD that I'm not though. If you feel that process was invalid or incorrect, you could open a WP:Deletion review.

I appreciate that you re-worked the article, but its structure was not the reason it was deleted. It was deleted for notability, specifically a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources, and therefore it needs more sources to overcome that. Hopefully that will happen in the future and the article can be created then. ––FormalDude (talk) 11:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I also want to add that the consensus to delete will not permanently impact the topic. Even if it doesn't get more coverage in the future, Wikipedia policy could change such that the topic ends up meeting notability requirements in its current form. And, after enough time has passed, it would probably be fair to reevaluate the topic altogether simply because community consensus can change overtime.

But if an AfC reviewer were to independently approve the draft now, they'd be completely disregarding the consensus of a group of editors that gave their time and effort in evaluating the article at AfD. AfC reviewers do not have that authority, the only way that can be done is with a new consensus developed at a deletion review discussion. ––FormalDude (talk) 12:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@FormalDude: Thank you for this. What's odd about the situation (and therefore, perhaps a flaw in the process itself) is that you would've voted to keep the article, Ipigott is of the opinion the earlier draft met basic notability criteria, presumably Dsp13 (who published the original stub) thinks we ought to have an article about Spanos – and obviously I wouldn't expend my time on it if I didn't agree. Furthermore, the references that support some of what I imagine would be fairly uncontestably acceptable criteria to justify her inclusion if this were a brand new, fresh draft hadn't been published when the article went to AfD, and the "Swiftposium" at which Spanos was the keynote speaker (and which is mentioned in the AfD discussion by Oaktree b as a possible decider) hadn't yet happened. (I suspect that we're there with WP:JOURNALIST #1 and possibly #3, and my instinct is that WP:COMMONSENSE applies here too). I had hoped these facts, plus a thorough reworking of the article to make all of this clear, would have gotten us past the initial (hasty, and again, in my view, none too consensual) AfD outcome. I chose to ask the Administrator who closed the AfD and deleted the article to Draftify instead (rather than elevating the whole matter to a process of contestation) as this seemed the least fractious (and therefore best) way to see that the article gets published (which, let's not forget, is our objective here). All of this to say, in response to your thoughtful remarks above: as yours was a new, fresh AfC, I was indeed surprised by the outcome. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 14:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Based on the information and points of view laid out here (especially the summary of notability opinions highlighted in the last paragraph), I've re-submitted the draft at AfC with a link to this discussion. Giving it another chance for review seems like the best policy. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 09:28, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Scope of the project around non-binary people

Hi, I'm seeking some clarification around the scope of inclusion of non-binary people, which is a bit unclear to me from reading the main project page, which says If the subject of the article self-identifies as a woman—binary and/or non-binary and/or other. From my understanding and my personal relationships with several non-binary friends, they identify as non-binary and not as women. So, my question here is, does that mean that someone who identifies as non-binary is out-of-scope for the purpose of WiR project, or in-scope, since I find the sentence on the project page is ambiguously worded? Raladic (talk) 15:29, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

The and/or wording means that the project covers people who identify as women, non-binary or both, so people who identify as non-binary and not as women are included. TSventon (talk) 17:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the clarification, I think what threw me off is the emdash after "as a woman" without a comma after "binary".

Any objections to changing it to If the subject of the article self-identifies as a woman—binary, and/or non-binary, and/or other.

Actually, while of course technically an article policy, should we remove the and per MOS:ANDOR and make it If the subject of the article self-identifies as a woman—binary, or non-binary, or other gender minority (such a genderfluid). (note I also added an example for other, so it sounds more human centric than just "other" and expanded to gender minority, which I presume is meant by it? Raladic (talk) 18:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Your rewording makes it sound like you wish to exclude from the scope people who identify as non-binary and do not identify as women. The new wording reads to me as having "woman" primary, so that it only concerns women binary and women non-binary people (whatever that might mean). Why would you want to do that? —David Eppstein (talk) 18:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

No, it's the opposite, I want it to be clear that non-binary people who may not self-identify as woman are included, which is why I was asking for the clarification at the top to begin with, as I wasn't sure if they were currently considered included or not.

Which is why I said I was thrown off by the emdash (rather than it being a single dash), as I interpreted the current meaning may be that it has to be someone wo identifies as a woman, whether binary or non-binary, which is how an em-dash is often used in place of a colon or parenthesis, so maybe it's really that the emdash should be removed? Raladic (talk) 18:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I think the issue here isn't solved by removing the commas, but removing the em dash would help. For example: If the subject of the article self-identifies as a woman and/or non-binary person. -- asilvering (talk) 18:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I think this better solves the issue. Raladic (talk) 18:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I think that Raladic noticed some inconsistent wording since @Ipigott and Rosiestep: added statistical representation of women and other gender minorities on Wikipedia to the about section here. TSventon (talk) 18:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

By the way, I like your solution for "other", which I missed when I wrote my suggestion above. So I have a better suggestion: If the subject of the article self-identifies as a woman, a non-binary person, and/or any other gender minority. This explicitly includes non-women gender minorities like trans men and non-binary people who are explicitly not women, etc, and I think that's fine, since the purpose of this project is to combat a coverage imbalance weighted towards cis men. -- asilvering (talk) 18:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes thanks, I think this brings it exactly to the point I was seeking clarification on as one of the articles I wrote last week was about a non-binary person and was just nominated for AfD, so I was trying to seek clarification if it was included in the scope of Women in Red, since I've written and improved several articles for WiR.

So with this clarification, now I know it is and have tagged the article as such. Raladic (talk) 18:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

September 2024 at Women in Red

Women in Red | September 2024, Volume 10, Issue 9, Numbers 293, 294, 311, 316, 317 Online events: New: Women writers & their works | Geofocus: Islands A - H Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) | Translation contest 2024 (Jul, Aug, Sep) Announcements from other communities August 30 is the tenth anniversary of WikiProject Women writers! Tip of the month: Try her pen name when searching for sources, and remember to add her to any of these that apply: List of pen names, List of literary initials, and Category:Pseudonymous women writers. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

--Rosiestep (talk) 18:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Marisa Meltzer

Just wondering if Marisa Meltzer has been proposed here already and is she notable? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 23:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Probably.

• Glossier tried to be more than a brand by posing as a friend - Washington Post
• A Dishy Tell-All About Emily Weiss’s Glossier - New York Times
• Gaslight, Gatekeep, Glossier: On Marisa Meltzer’s “Glossy” - Los Angeles Review of Books
• Marisa Meltzer’s New Book, Glossy, Is the Juicy (But Fair) Deep Dive That the Glossier Empire Deserves - Vogue
• How Sassy Changed My Life: A Love Letter to the Greatest Teen Magazine of All Time - Publishers Weekly
• This Is Big: How the Founder of Weight Watchers Changed the World—and Me - Publishers Weekly
• Author Marisa Meltzer, Whose New Book Investigates Glossier, Reveals Her Own Wellness Rituals - Cultured
• Amazon MGM Studios Is Adapting Marisa Meltzer’s New York Times Bestseller ‘Glossy’ For TV - Deadline Hollywood
• Marisa Meltzer Explores Glossier’s Origin Story - Women's Wear Daily

And I didn't try very hard. So there's way more to find. Silverseren^C 00:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I was thinking Caity Weaver but someone beat me to it, so Marisa it is. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 01:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I got this far, not sure if I should use Afc or Draft? User:Allthemilescombined1/SandboxNo8 Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 01:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Allthemilescombined1: A convenient way of creating new articles in your user space is to use User:Allthemilescombined1/draft article name, e.g. User:Allthemilescombined1/Marisa Meltzer. This also makes it easier to identify drafts you are working on. I'm not sure whether you think the present version is ready for mainspace. I would be happy to move it but suggest you first work on the items under "Additional press" and provide proper references rather than simple links to the articles. They could possibly be used to expand the "Career" section. Please let me know on my talk page when you think the article is ready for mainspace. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 07:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

ODNB update on Early Modern Noblewomen

Via Matthew Kilburn @matthewkilburn.bsky.social: After nearly two years of work, the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography release on noblewomen in the long early modern period is out: https://www.oxforddnb.com/newsitem/835/whats-new-august-2024

Digital access to the ODNB is available through the Wikipedia Library and libraries throughout the UK. - PKM (talk) 20:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

PKM, thank you, will the ODNB identifiers be added to Wikidata in due course? I have checked the list for redlinks below.

• Mary Talbot, Countess of Shrewsbury
• Frances, Lady Burgh d:Q75272364 m. Thomas Burgh, 3rd Baron Burgh
• Marie Stewart, Countess of Mar
• Elizabeth, Lady Harvey d:Q76001604 m. Daniel Harvey (diplomat)
• Anne Lennard, Countess of Sussex
• Jane Bentinck, Countess of Portland d:Q75248664 m. William Bentinck, 1st Earl of Portland
• Juliana Boyle, Countess of Burlington d:Q75251993 m. Charles Boyle, 2nd Earl of Burlington
• Elizabeth Montagu, Countess of Sandwich d:Q75269604 m. Edward Montagu, 3rd Earl of Sandwich
• Lady Margaret Macdonald of Sleat d:Q75264209 m. Sir Alexander Macdonald, 7th Baronet
• Lady Mary Gregory d:Q75271068 m. David Gregory (historian)
• Ann Fairfax (landowner) d:Q75965437 Anne Fairfax
• Lady Margaret Heathcote d:Q75269877 m. Sir Gilbert Heathcote, 3rd Baronet
• Louisa Jenkinson, Countess of Liverpool
• Jane Gaugain
• Letitia Higgin

TSventon (talk) 12:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I've checked whether the bluelinked ones already cite ODNB, and added the ODNB article as "Further reading" in the two which didn't already cite it: Louisa Jenkinson, Countess of Liverpool and Anne Lennard, Countess of Sussex. PamD 13:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Someone will have to add the ODNB identitifers to the relevant Wikidata items. I encourage editors here to help do so, as once they have the names above will appear on our redlist. Gamaliel (talk) 13:29, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I have added ODNB identifiers to the Wikidata items, except "Born to rule? The origins of the medieval English episcopate", which does not have a Wikidata item and is not particularly relevant to this project. TSventon (talk) 14:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Beat me to it, thank you. - PKM (talk) 23:21, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

My head is spinning after looking into Ann Fairfax (landowner) (1725/6–1793) above. We have a redirect Ann Fairfax to a pseudonymous novelist, and an article about an English noblewoman Anne Fairfax (1617/1618 – 1665) (they were related by marriage). But although ODNB calls her "Ann", many sources call her "Anne", including those closely associated such as the website of Fairfax House and the abbey she supported, later Ampleforth College. There's also her portrait (held at Fairfax House, so presumably named by them).

In an attempt to ease confusion I've created Anne Fairfax (disambiguation), covering both Ann and Anne; added a hatnote to Anne Fairfax; added a hatnote to Marion Chesney. I'll leave it to someone else to create the article on Ann Fairfax (landowner), and to decide whether that's the right title for it! PamD 14:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Aaargh: Fairfax House aren't even consistent: just found this which calls her "Ann". PamD 14:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

And the Orlando database has our Anne Fairfax listed as Ann or Anne Fairfax (wife of the former parliamentary..., although our article makes no mention of "Ann". I guess the two spellings have historically been interchangeable. PamD 14:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks, PKM, for this useful information. I have twice suggested that we should include "Nobility" as one of our monthly priorities but it has not yet been included as while some thought it suitable, it was also felt that most women in this sphere were only notable as a result of their husband's or family's achievements. I must say that in reviewing new articles on women, I constantly come across noble women who are notable for their own achievements. Perhaps with this publication, we can reconsider its pertinence to Women in Red and include it in one of our priorities in the coming months. (cc Oronsay, Rosiestep}.--Ipigott (talk) 15:11, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

  Certainly! Please add it to the calendar on our Ideas page in whatever month you think is well-suited for it. Thanks! Rosiestep (talk) 17:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks. I've suggested it for November.--Ipigott (talk) 09:22, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

• I think that Mary Gregory (British author) above should probably be Lady Mary Gregory as the daughter of an earl - see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#British nobility bullet 5 and Courtesy titles in the United Kingdom#Married daughters. With a hatnote to distinguish her from Lady Mary Grey and a dab page entries at Mary Grey and Mary Gregory (disambiguation).

PamD, I have tried to bring the redlinks, including Lady Mary Gregory, into line with the ODNB. It won't always be the best title, but it is a starting point. TSventon (talk) 17:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

A real barnstar!

I *just* got back to New Zealand after Wikimania (yes, a bit delayed...but it is a long way from Poland, so it was worth taking extra time in Europe to justify the travel), to find my reward from @Victuallers education challenge in January this year. An actual physical Women in Red barnstar, a Women in Red T-shirt and some other goodies. Thank you so much Victuallers! Especially because the vagaries of the UK/NZ postal system meant sending this twice. Your achievements, and others like @Lajmmoore's round the world trip, inspired me to set the goal of one start class women's bio a day this year (focusing on women professors in New Zealand, such that I am close to completing them all). I am severely behind on my target but will be working hard to catch up over the next month or two. DrThneed (talk) 21:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@DrThneed: Thanks for all your contributions -- 207 Start and C-class articles since the beginning of the year is no mean achievement. Keep up the good work!--Ipigott (talk) 08:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Hawley (previously Holly) Gould (they/them)

Hawley is amazing as Alice Paul in "Suffs" on Broadway. They are an alternate and I don't see reviews anywhere...so, too soon for notability? As Alice Paul, they resembled Meryl Streep, though they don't resemble Meryl in photographs. They will be a star. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 22:58, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Dr. Dina Strachan

This is my first page for a physician, and I would like to do others. I would appreciate feedback. User:Allthemilescombined1/Dina Strachan Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 00:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! I went in and made some edits to your draft. Since Strachan is a physician, I'd recommend going into Google Scholar and finding more of her academic publications to add to the article; I've added a couple to get you started. Stylistically, I also removed the title Dr. from the text of the article, as that is discouraged by the manual of style unless it's being used to distinguish between two people with the same surname.

The other edits I made were mainly just for flow and ease of reading - feel free to revert those back to earlier wording/formatting if you'd like. :) ForsythiaJo (talk) 03:32, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the edits, they're great! Google Scholar is new for me - I've always used PubMed. I'll learn to use it. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 09:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Allthemilescombined1 The section about her earrings doesn't really seem encyclopedic and could be reduced to something like "She is of West Indian descent. Her mother is a physician, and she has a twin brother.". PamD 07:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I agree it didn't belong the way I had it in Personal Life, and I like the version now in Early Life. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 09:33, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Research physician contributions

Dr. Conry-Cantilena has numerous publications. I put the link for ResearchGate but I'm not sure how to format it, or whether it's better to list the publications individually, or use PubMed. User:Allthemilescombined1/Cathy Conry-Cantilena Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 02:21, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

• @Allthemilescombined1: For BLPs. we need substantial coverage in at least three reliable independent sources. See also Wikipedia:Notability (academics).--Ipigott (talk) 15:56, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Helena Dunlap

Hi, everyone, and happy Friday! I saw Draft:Helena Dunlap get declined at AfC and wanted to see what I could do. General feedback is welcome, as are comments on sources already cited or that I should add to the draft. Thanks in advanced! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for taking an interest in this biography, Rotideypoc41352, but I haven't been able to find any detailed coverage in reliable secondary sources. She is linked to various auction houses but her work does not seem to have been considered significant enough for inclusion in the permanent collections of major museums or galleries. See Notability of creative professionals and WiR's Ten Simpe Rules. I always suggest looking for at least three informative secondary sources before embarking on a biography. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 16:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for searching; my own search led me to similar conclusions, but I always like to make sure I'm not missing anything. Cheers, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Rotideypoc41352: I took the liberty of publishing your draft. I thought the article was good and that the Hughes, Anderson, and Vure sources were sufficient to establish notability. Gamaliel (talk) 20:16, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

This just goes to show how useful it is to bring things up on this page. I'm happy to see the article is now in mainspace and look forward to further successes with articles refused at AfC---Ipigott (talk) 16:26, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Need a hand with a redlist

Hey all. I just tried my hand at setting up a redlist for women revolutionaries and it seems to have populated well. But for some reason the bot seems to have added infoboxes into the descriptions which has resulted in some skewing. Does anyone here know how I can remove the infoboxes and fix this so it doesn't happen again going forward? I'd appreciate the help. :) --Grnrchst (talk) 16:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I've noticed infoboxes like these have been appearing in other Wikidata-based redlists. Some editors might find them useful but they certainly add to the length of the listing. If we really want to surpress them, we should probably bring it up on Wikidata.--Ipigott (talk) 16:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I just tried manually removing them. We'll see if the bot restores them. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I think they could probably be removed by editing the description parameter. Perhaps Tagishsimon could help with this.--Ipigott (talk) 16:53, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Jane Parker (academic) AfD

I've done some clean up of Jane Parker but I'm not that experienced at working on articles at AfD so if anyone else cares to contribute it's much appreciated! DrThneed (talk) 21:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Meetup contribution question

Hello! Apologies in advance if this is a bit of a silly question. I'm curious whether we can still contribute new articles to a meetup project after the end of the highlighted month? I'm not familiar with the general policies around it. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ornithoptera thanks for your question, so I think we tend not to - but there's no hard and fast rule. For me, I give myself a few days leeway, otherwise I add them under #1day1woman. Whatever the contribution, thank you! Lajmmoore (talk) 20:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much Lajmmoore for letting me know! Things got hectic for me this month and I was unable to contribute more than I was able to in the end. I'll see what I can do in the meantime and go from there! Ornithoptera (talk) 04:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• You are making excellent progress Ornithoptera, with your recent detailed biographies of Alexina Kublu and Joanna Ferrone. As you appear to be interested in writers and translators, you will no doubt be able to participate in this month's Women writers event. As for contributing to events which have already closed, I agree with the guidance given by Lajmmoore but we have no hard and fast rules. On joining, one of our members actually went back to our earliest events and contributed at least one biography to each in order to be able to say she had participated in them all. Then there are also cases in which new drafts created in connection with a specific focus are not promoted to mainspace until later. They certainly deserve to be included under the relevant priority.--Ipigott (talk) 07:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

  Hi Ipigott! I'm very glad to hear that, your encouragement means a lot! Thank you for taking the time to read through them! I've been writing articles on Indigenous personalities for a while now so that was why I was particularly excited about Meetup 314. I'll definitely look into what you have said and keep your advice in mind. Ornithoptera (talk) 23:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Islands

Sorry, bit late to say so, but is there any chance of making redlists for Guernsey, Jersey, Channel Islands (perhaps using child categories to pick up Alderney, Herm and Sark, as their populations are tiny)? PamD 11:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I've contrbuted a woman from Guernsey to our "Islands A-H", Edith Renouf from this list. PamD 22:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@PamD: Hey Pam, I've just created redlists for Jersey and Guernsey. Interestingly, most of the entries seem to be badminton players, which is probably just a quirk of the datasets. The lists can be filled out more by improving the data on the Wikidata side. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! PamD 10:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Grnrchst I've added the women from @PamD's list to Wikidata and the three not on wikipedia appear in the redlist now! Lajmmoore (talk) 19:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Laura Vanderkam

Just wondering if this is ready to submit? Draft:Laura Vanderkam Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 18:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

To me it seems to meet GNG - however the statements with "Citation needed" should either be sourced or removed before moving to the mainspace. Other than that, Well done for your hard work on it, you should be proud!:) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 22:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I added sources. Since it's not in Afc, should I move it there? I still don't quite understand that part. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 00:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Do you have Page Move access, Allthemilescombined1? Do you have a "Move" button to the right of History on the top of article pages? If yes, you click that, then in the following page, you change the "Draft" selection to "(Article)" and make sure the title on the right is the title you want the article to have. Then you can pick whatever reason you want from the menu below that, usually "Move to mainspace" and then click the "Move page" button. Silverseren^C 00:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Wow, thanks. I did that. I got this message:

Please

clean up

after your move:

• Check if the page's categories have a sort key, and update it as necessary. Check and update the magic words DEFAULTSORT and DISPLAYTITLE.
• If "Draft:Laura Vanderkam" does not remain a redirect to the moved page "Laura Vanderkam", make sure the incoming redirects and links point to the correct target, and update fair use rationales if there are any.

Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 00:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you have to worry too much about all that. Either a bot or another editor usually comes along to fix any problems (I always forget defaultsort and someone else always does it for me). What you should do though is add some categories to the bottom of the article and also any relevant Wikiproject templates to the talk page. Silverseren^C 01:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I did the talk page (hope it's okay) but I'm not sure how to add categories to the bottom. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 01:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Talk page looks good. And looks like ForsythiaJo got the categories already. You can look at what they did if you want to see how categories work. You basically want to find which ones apply to the article subject. It's a bit of a hunt with "Category:" searching to see which categories exist and would thus be relevant to add. Silverseren^C 02:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I tend to freeze when I see "Authority Control" :) Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 09:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I look for a similar article, such as Liz Moore (author), and then copy and adapt the default sort and any relevant categories from the bottom of the article. You can add categories to a draft using Template:Draft categories and then remove the template after publication. TSventon (talk) 12:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 13:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

New Women Linguistics Article Suggestions Needed

Hi All, I would request you if possible to please suggest suitable changes for this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Joan_Palmiter_Bajorek which has been recently rejected but its been written per Wikipedia notability guidelines supporting reliable independent sources. Please help! Techy.Sap (talk) 11:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• Techy.Sap: Thank you for this detailed biography. I looked carefully through your sources and considered several to be acceptable for notability. On that basis, I moved the article to mainspace but it was immediately tagged as AfD. Let's see how the deletion discussion evolves.--Ipigott (talk) 10:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you for checking the page and sources. But I don't understand why its been tagged for deletion immediately. Techy.Sap (talk) 10:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

It might be a good idea to create an article for Women in Voice (https://womeninvoice.org), if founding it is one of her notable achievements. PamD 16:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Help the Wikimedia Foundation better understand how on-wiki collaborations work

The Campaigns team at the Wikimedia Foundation is exploring how to expand it's work on campaigns, to support other kinds of collaboration. We are interested in learning from diverse editors that have experience joining and working on WikiProjects, Campaigns, and other kinds of on-wiki collaboration. We need your help:

• Take a survey about your experience with collaborations: on Google forms
• Share examples of Collaborations or WikiProjects that have worked for you: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Campaigns/WikiProjects

Whatever input you bring to the two spaces will help us make better decisions about next steps beyond the current tools we support. Astinson (WMF) (talk) 18:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

• As you can see here, Rosiestep has already mentioned the effectiveness success of Women in Red. Other contributors might like to join me in adding comments. Don't forget to log in.--Ipigott (talk) 15:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Rayne Rouce

Does this look ready to submit? Draft:Rayne Rouce Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 00:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

It looks good to me, but I think a few more sources would be helpful to strengthen its nobility. Funny enough, the name is almost identical to o Rayne Royce, a fictional character I am making an article on! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 01:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I added a few more sources. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 09:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

The reviewer said my tone was too admiring, but I really don't know how to change the tone. She's a total badass in every possible way. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 20:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I think the main issue is this line: "Rouce's performances of her original science rap songs have captivated audiences at national meetings. She has performed at the American Society of Hematology’s ASH-a-Palooza since 2018, and her special 2020 video performance can be viewed online". For the first sentence I would recommend removing it and/or saying what the source or people say about her performance song (e.g. "X from y believed her performance was "xyz"" or "x from y noted how the audience enjoyed her performance" or something along those lines. That would make it sound more neutral. Alternatively, you could remove all opinions and just list the facts (e.g. "Rouce's performance her original science rap songs at national meetings").

If possible, I think getting some more sources would make it a bit more neutral if possible, so then there is more varied coverage of her.

Also, the apostrophe in "Hematology’s" should be a ' instead per WP:CURLY.

I am not an expert but these are just minor suggestions. I really hope it is accepted next time as I agree that she is an icon! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 00:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

I gave it a go. Thanks for being my wikipedia friend. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 02:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

I looked at your user page and I wrote you this haiku:

In my own rom com

One character is missing

Where's my gay best friend? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 09:27, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

References

Draft:Carolina Botero

I just created a draft for Carolina Botero. She received an EFF Award this month for her work. Thriley (talk) 15:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey, you have made a good start! Are they more sources available? As I think that would help the article, especially if the sources discussed her life and what led her to receive the award, which would really help the article. Also I highly recommend fully sourcing the links as this can prevent them from Wikipedia:Link rot. I can help you with that if you would like :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 00:23, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Women in Green's October 2024 edit-at-thon

Hello WikiProject Women in Red:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2024!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2024, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk) 09:27, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tracy_Schorn

Any suggestions to improve this draft? TIA Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 23:13, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Nationality? Wikipedia is international, so "American" doesn't go without saying. PamD 09:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Italics for journal titles. PamD 09:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

"the online community known as "Chump Nation"": needs a bit of explanation. PamD 09:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Section headings only capitalise first letter and proper nouns: not "External Links". "Selected publication" is the usual heading for "Books", and goes after sections like "Criticism" - see WP:ORDER. That's just a few quick little points on a check of the article, I haven't really considered whether she's actually "Notable"! Good luck. PamD 09:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and you don't need to give the whole web address: Draft:Tracy Schorn works. PamD 09:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Women economists less likely to be covered than men

A recent paper by Nicole Venus titled "The Representation of Female Economists on Wikipedia" concludes that women economists are 53% less likely than men to be covered on Wikipedia.--Ipigott (talk) 10:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Very interesting link. If I'm reading it correctly (which I may well not be) much of the 53% that you quote comes from the women economists in their data set being on average less accomplished than men economists for reasons beyond our control. When the authors factored that out, and considered people of equivalent levels of accomplishment, they still found a gender gap, but a smaller one, 9%. They write that "editors affiliated with initiatives promoting gender equality" (i.e. WIR) have helped close this gap, and there isn't really any pattern of anti-women editing within Wikipedia; instead they suggest that the remaining gap is caused by male subjects being more self-promotional than women. They also write that the main way that this bias comes to exist is through article creations rather than deletions. —David Eppstein (talk) 11:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the useful summary, David. I was surprised to see no general background was presented on the under-representation of women as economists as explained in items such as The gender gap in economics is huge – it’s even worse than tech and The Gender Ratio in Economics in 2022. Perhaps Table 1: Summary statistics for actively publishing economists is a sound basis for comparison but I have difficulty in interpreting the figures. No doubt the Number of authors is being used as the basis for comparison.--Ipigott (talk) 11:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)