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An RfD request

The page Clarence Odbody, about the guardian angel from the 1946 film It's a Wonderful Life and the 1990 film Clarence, is under discussion for deletion at this link if project members would like to make a comment or assist on improving the page. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Proposal to merge 3 character articles into Mighty Morphin Power Rangers

A proposal has been made to merge Bulk and Skull, Adam Park and Tommy Oliver into Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Please join the discussion at Talk:Mighty Morphin Power Rangers!—A L T E R C A R I  ✍ 16:30, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

No description

Asha'man redirects to List of Wheel of Time characters but has no entry there. It appears 31 times, always in the description of a character; e.g., the very first entry:

Logain Ablar: Previously a False Dragon; gentled by the White Tower and Healed by Nynaeve al'Meara; later a sworn ally to Rand al'Thor and a leading Asha'man. In A Memory of Light, Logain becomes the new M'Hael of the Black Tower.

See Talk:List of Wheel of Time characters#Asha'man. --Thnidu (talk) 20:09, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Olivia Pope GAR

Olivia Pope, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Aoba47 (talk) 02:42, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Batwoman

Batwoman, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. AIRcorn (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background

On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   07:36, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Naming conventions

Should Dwayne Cleofis Wayne be called Dwayne Wayne instead? Dwanyewest (talk) 14:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Should Stinkor (MOTU) be Stinkor as that would be more appropriate. Dwanyewest (talk) 15:12, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Any guidelines?

Hello, I have a question:
Are there any guidelines for writing articles about fictional characters? We seems to have numerous articles on them, yet (being involved in a row over whether one such has 'real world notability') I'm hard pressed to find anything relevant. What exactly justifies articles on, say, Batman, or Sarah Sidle, or Captain Flint, but not (as in my case) Italian detective Guido Brunetti? Any offers? Swanny18 (talk) 18:58, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

List of imaginary characters in fiction

I started List of imaginary characters in fiction and wish the lead could be better. Could someone please help? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:45, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Amy Rose for good article reassessment

Amy Rose, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. JOEBRO64 11:36, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Eric Forman, Michael Kelso, Steven Hyde, and others

Articles which may be of interest to members of this project—Eric Forman, Michael Kelso, Steven Hyde, and others—have been proposed for merging with List of That '70s Show characters. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. —A L T E R C A R I  ✍ 14:50, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 December 25#Non-free Dad's Army character images

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 December 25#Non-free Dad's Army character images. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:36, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

– Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Cutty-sark (witch)#Requested move 1 July 2019, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

confusion of Marvel characters Nebula and Nova

Please see Talk:Nebula (comics)#Nova? Nebula?. These two names seem to be confused in one paragraph. --Thnidu (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Ethnicity

Is it fair to assume (in broad strokes) that a character in a film or television is the same ethnicity as the actor who playes them? I'm asking mostly for categorization.★Trekker (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• No, that would be silly. The character and the actor are not to be confused. How tall is Dr. Who? Is M from James Bond male or female? We take what the creator says about the character, and would mention ethnicity only in the very few instances where it has been deemed by the author to be relevant. Captainllama (talk) 00:10, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

I said "in broad strokes". It's not remotly silly to assume that a character played by a black actor is, you know, black.★Trekker (talk) 10:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

"It's not remotly silly to assume that a character played by a black actor is, you know, black"

With respect, it absolutely is silly to assume that. We are told what we need to know about a character so there is no need to make assumptions. Why do so? Characters are created, actors play characters. They are not the same thing and to conflate the two is always folly. Actors play across type all the time. Do we assume the character is bald, gay, and lives in Paris just because that describes the actor? Of course not.

Sometimes it matters. Virgil Tibbs is black, Charlie Chan is Asian, To Kill a Mockingbird would make no sense if Tom Robinson's race wasn't mentioned. But is Jean-Luc Picard a white starship captain? Is it useful to categorise him as such? Is Felix Leiter a black friend of James Bond? How about Achilles?

No, stick with what we are explicitly told, extrapolating from the actor and assuming to apply it to the character is original research, however broadly you stroke it.

Captainllama (talk) 17:23, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Rose Tico "Portrayed by" and "Voiced by" infobox fields

Seeking opinions for a WP:CONSENSUS at this discussion at the Rose Tico page, which I've recently expanded and nominated for GA. The issue at hand is whether the actress' name is needed in the "Voiced by" field of the character infobox in addition to the "Portrayed by" field. This is a live-action performance so the "Voiced by" field was not originally filled in, but an IP user keeps re-adding it. — Hunter Kahn 12:03, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

List of Wheel of Time characters

This project is mentioend on Talk:List of Wheel of Time characters . So I ask my question here: how come major characters of the The Wheel of Time are all redirected to this page which is just a list of uninformative minimal descriptions? Characters like Rand al'Thor, Matrim Cauthon, Perrin Aybara and probably a handful of others deserve their own page.

Apprantly these characters used to have their own page, but those pages are deleted. Are the deletion and the redirect done as part of this project? Is there a log of the discussion that led to the deltion avaliable somewhere? If not, what is the best way to change the situation? Hg03u (talk) 21:33, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Infobox character and WAF

I am reaching out to your project because your project may have an interest in this discussion: Template talk:Infobox character § Removing parameters regarding WP:WAF. Izno (talk) 16:18, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Della Duck standalone article proposal

I’m reaching out because this impacts a page within the scope of your project:

I've created a standalone Della Duck article draft at Draft:Della Duck. The first AfC submission was declined because there was not yet a discussion or consensus on the Talk:Duck family (Disney) page about whether a Della Duck standalone article is appropriate. If you have time and interest, please join the discussion on that page and help form a consensus on the proposal. Danazar (talk) 00:38, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Create simple infobox for fictional character and way to easily understand if a article is about fictional character.

Their is no way on Wikipedia to create a article for fictional character from TV, Films. How to create article for fictional character? Kundan Ravindra Dhayade (talk) 10:37, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Have you used Template:Infobox character? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

MCU characters name change

There is discussion on whether the new article Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe should be name changed. Feel free to discuss on talk page. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:30, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Gandalf and fictional elderly characters

There is a discussion about whether or not Category:Fictional elderly characters belongs at Gandalf. Editors are invited to comment. The discussion can be seen here: Talk:Gandalf#"Fictional elderly character". Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Mango (Saturday Night Live) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mango (Saturday Night Live) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mango (Saturday Night Live) (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Right cite (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Steve Rogers and time travel

There is currently a discussion regarding whether the category Category:Time travelers should be included on Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe). Editors are welcomed to join the discussion at Talk:Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)#Time travel category. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Ennis Del Mar or Ennis del Mar

There's currently a discussion on the appropriate spelling of Ennis Del Mar that could benefit from additional opinions here - Talk:Ennis Del Mar#Ennis del Mar (not Del Mar). Thanks. DonIago (talk) 01:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Sammy the Shunter AfD

Sammy the Shunter has been nominated for deletion. Mjroots (talk) 12:28, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Video games characters and superheroes

There is a discussion whether video games characters with superpowers should be considered superheroes or not. The discussion is here: Talk:List of Italian and Italian-American superheroes and villains. Thanks in advance.--Carnby (talk) 09:20, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

FAR listing of Nikki and Paulo

I have nominated Nikki and Paulo for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Femke Nijsse (talk) 11:38, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Rick O'Connel

I spotted that Rick O'Connell redirects to Mummy Franchise characters. But, he is the lead protagonist in all 3 movies of the series. So shouldn't there be an additional article. I myself have created such articles like Dr Smolder Bravestone, which was reviewed and accepted. But the Jack Dawson article was deleted. Also, Imhotep (The Mummy) is an article on the lead antagonist of the series. While Imhotep is in 3 movies and 1 Tv show, Rick is in 3 movies. As I have presented my view, please comment as you are an experienced editor. Thank you.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 06:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Atlantis77177. Whether or not a fictional character should have a standalone page will depend on coverage about that specific character. If a character has appeared in multiple works, it can be presumed that it could be covered beyond each individual work's article. There could be a list of characters at the franchise article, there could be a list article focusing on the characters, and there could be a standalone article for a well-covered character. The possibility of any of these needs to be demonstrated by coverage about the character or characters. Looking at List of The Mummy (film series) characters, unfortunately it does not appear very encyclopedic. Compare it to something like List of Smallville characters.

Regarding Rick O'Connell, you would need to compile significant coverage about the character across multiple works. Unfortunately, I am not finding that Dr. Smolder Bravestone warrants a standalone article either because the coverage does not indicate that character details could be covered outside the franchise article or a list article of the franchise characters. BD2412, it seems like you've done work on numerous character articles. Do you have any thoughts about any of these matters? Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 20:37, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

The question of whether a fictional character should have an article is actually not that much different from the question of whether a real person should have an article. The key inquiry is whether there are substantial reliable sources about the character, and whether there is coverage sufficiently independent of the work in which the character appears to justify a separate article. BD2412 T 22:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Plot

I created the articles Dr. Smolder Bravestone, Ruby Roundhouse, Mouse Finbar, Seaplane McDonough and Professor Sheldon Oberon. It was suggested that the plot(the character's events in the movie) was discouraged in the article.

For my defense- articles like Harry Potter (character) and Imhotep (The Mummy) have their own article with a plot sequence. Please give your opinion. Thank you.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 13:12, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Per WP:WAF#Characters and other fictional elements, "When characters or other elements from fictional works are notable for their own standalone article, it is acceptable and often necessary to include a narration of that element's role in the events of the work(s) they are a part of. However, such narration must employ out-of-universe style and include real-world descriptors." However, when we look at the policy of WP:PLOT, it says, "Wikipedia articles should not be... Summary-only descriptions of works. Wikipedia treats creative works (including, for example, works of art or fiction, video games, documentaries, research books or papers, and religious texts) in an encyclopedic manner, discussing the development, design, reception, significance, and influence of works in addition to concise summaries of those works."

I think it is appropriate to consider a fictional character to be similar to a work of fiction. In this vein, that means that an article about a character should cover its "development, design, reception, significance, and influence" more than covering its narration. I don't think that if a character has appeared in a trilogy that we need 700 words times three films dumped into the character's article. The narration about the character should be more concise than that. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:08, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Lifeform (comics)

The article Lifeform (comics) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

non-notable fictional character that appeared in one story across four annuals 30 years ago; no secondary-source coverage.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. JHunterJ (talk) 17:42, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Rick O'Connell

I request you to please visit Rick O'Connell to rate it as-per WP:FCHAR quality scale.(even though it will probably be start-class)--Atlantis77177 (talk) 05:22, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Brian O'Conner

Please visit Brian O'Conner and check out the appearance section. I was informed that big plots are not encouraged, and I felt (in some sections), that the entire plot is given, just by giving the character in question a bit more importance. I made the same error once, so just trying to help out. It's my opinion and no harm intended to anyone. Please ping me when you reply.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 09:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Dr. Smolder Bravestone

Could someone from this WikiProject take a look at Dr. Smolder Bravestone and re-assess it? It was given an assessment here, but the editor who did so was subsequently blocked as a WP:SOCK; so, it might be better for someone else to take a look at the article and assess it, especially since it's tagged with {{Cleanup rewrite}}. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:56, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I do not find the character notable enough for a standalone article. I would redirect to Jumanji (franchise). Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 13:45, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Is this the right place to request the creation of a page?

Can I request that a page is made for Mipha from the 2017 video game Breath of The Wild? If not, would it be within the policies for me to create this page myself?

--Zora Champion Mipha (talk) 19:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, it looks like Mipha is covered at Characters of The Legend of Zelda. Regarding the policies, I am not sure if the character would be notable enough for a standalone article. See WP:WAF#Fictional characters and other elements for more. It would need to be a substantial amount of significant coverage for a standalone article. I would also check with WT:VG about this too, as I believe they have a few Good and Featured Articles about video-game characters. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:46, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merger of LGBT themes in anime and manga and History of LGBT anime pages

A proposed merger of the LGBT themes in anime and manga and History of LGBT anime pages is located at Talk:LGBT themes in anime and manga#Merger proposal and may be of interest to the members of this WikiProject. --Historyday01 (talk) 18:25, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Several miscellaneous X redirect categories have been nominated for deletion

The following categories have been nominated for deletion:

• Category:Miscellaneous ballet character redirects to lists
• Category:Miscellaneous opera character redirects to lists
• Category:Miscellaneous play character redirects to lists
• Category:Miscellaneous radio character redirects to lists
• Category:Miscellaneous video game character redirects to lists

A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 02:06, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Nancy Drew Featured article review

I have nominated Nancy Drew for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:39, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 February 26#Category:Male villains

A discussion on whether villains should be categorized by gender, if you have an opinion, you might want to share it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:22, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Category:Animated characters by year of introduction

Category:Animated characters by year of introduction was started in 2020, by an editor who then got banned. It has sub-hierarchies for film and TV. It seems a valid hierarchy to me, but is incomplete. Would any members of this project like to expand and populate it? – Fayenatic London 09:34, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Scrappy-Doo Summaries

Hi, I made edits to Scrappy-Doo's biography, and in addition to feeling they were removed unfairly (without a proper consensus) I still have points of contention (see Scrappy's talk page). Though clearly laying out my feelings the other side has come to somewhat of a standstill. Input would be appreciated. Discuss can be seen here. Smcupcake19 (talk) 17:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Seeking help for a new article?

Greetings project members. For a new article on a fictional character, what would be the best place to seek assistance with reviewing, sourcing, and assessing? MezzoMezzo (talk) 11:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Have you tried WP:AFC?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:59, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

No, not yet. The article is actually already created at Archaon, but I'm the only editor who's doe substantial work on it. I was hoping to find a way to get more activity from other editors on the existing article; I figured it would be better if there were more than one person active. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:06, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Iron Fist (comics)#Requested move 18 August 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Iron Fist (comics)#Requested move 18 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 22:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Merge proposal

It has been proposed that List of fictional librarians be merged into Libraries and librarians in fiction. Seeking your feedback at Talk:List of fictional librarians#Merger proposal. Thanks. --Historyday01 (talk) 13:26, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

FAR - Characters of Carnivalé

I have nominated Characters of Carnivàle for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Mjroots (talk) 02:51, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Requested move: List of fictional child prodigies

It is proposed that List of fictional child prodigies be moved to to List of gifted children and teenagers in fiction and entertainment media. For the proposal, and to make any comments, please see the proposal here. --Smerus (talk) 11:58, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Natasha Romanova?

In black widow(Yelena Belova’s) wiki page, it says Natasha Romanova instead of Natasha Romanoff multiple times!! Someone tried to fix this by adding (Natasha Romanoff) to the second time it shows this typo, but how do you edit ALL the typos???

You should just go over the article and fix all the typo Kaleeb18 (talk) 16:29, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Fagin from Oliver Twist

Help me try to get Fagin to a good article status the article need some major help. I’ve already added 15 missing citations that were need and fixed some grammar things. Kaleeb18 (talk) 16:30, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Mrs Tembe#Requested move 3 December 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mrs Tembe#Requested move 3 December 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. I hope that you will comment there. Thank you.--John Cline (talk) 11:48, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Miss America (America Chavez)#Requested move 25 December 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Miss America (America Chavez)#Requested move 25 December 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 17:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

FA review on Jabba the Hut

I have nominated Jabba the Hut for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. --George Ho (talk) 20:03, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

List of fictional characters with disabilities has an RFC

List of fictional characters with disabilities has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 11:23, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of feature films with LGBT characters

Hello! Advising the project of this AfD which may be of interest to members of the project. Thank you.--Historyday01 (talk) 14:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Clark Kent (DC Extended Universe)

There is a request to move Clark Kent (DC Extended Universe) to Superman (DC Extended Universe). The discussion can be found here: Talk:Clark Kent (DC Extended Universe)#Requested move 10 February 2022. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 13:51, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Diana Walter for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Diana Walter is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diana Walter until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

—Mahāgaja · talk 12:47, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Bruce Wayne (DC Extended Universe)#Requested move 15 March 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Bruce Wayne (DC Extended Universe)#Requested move 15 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 22:15, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Redirecting articles on [mostly] minor The Wire characters

There are a whole bunch of articles on The Wire characters that include nothing other than in-universe information and make no claims to notability. They are basically long descriptions of everything the character does in the show, i.e., the kind of stuff that belongs on a different wiki (like thewire.fandom.com) but not here. I believe the majority of these should be blanked and redirected to List of The Wire characters or one of the pages under it.

I started blanking and redirecting a few, but this was contested by another editor (see User talk:Interstatefive/Archives/2022/April#Your_revert) per WP:PAGEBLANKING. So, following that editor's recommendation, I then went ahead and PRODded all the articles in question, but that was also contested by another editor (see User talk:61.18.156.43#Mass Proposed Deletion of articles), who recommended that this should be discussed in a bundled AfD. I have no problem with opening an AfD for that, but I can't for procedural reasons (I can't create an AfD page without registering an account, and I don't want to do that), so I figured I'd try to start the discussion here instead; if anyone sees this and agrees that an AfD is warranted, I hope they will create one [and feel free to directly copy whatever I've compiled here]). Alternatively, it could just be discussed here or at one of the article's talk pages.

The articles in question fall into several categories, shown below (ordered from most to least warranting of blanking-and-redirecting):

• Articles with only in-universe content
  • Stan Valchek
  • Kenard
  • Leander Sydnor
  • Beadie Russell
  • Ervin Burrell
  • Howard "Bunny" Colvin
  • Rhonda Pearlman
  • Kima Greggs
  • Slim Charles
  • Poot (The Wire)
  • Bodie Broadus
  • Chris Partlow
  • Monk Metcalf
  • Brother Mouzone
  • Butchie
  • The Greek
  • Nick Sobotka
  • Spiros Vondas
  • Sergei Malatov
  • Frank Sobotka
  • Clarence Royce
  • Michael Lee (The Wire)
  • Norman Wilson (The Wire)
  • Dukie Weems
  • Augustus Haynes
• Articles where the only out-of-universe content is behind-the-scenes trivia, but nothing that makes a claim about notability
  • Avon Barksdale
  • Ziggy Sobotka
  • Johnny Weeks
  • Bubbles (The Wire)
  • Bunk Moreland
  • Cedric Daniels
  • William Rawls
  • Jay Landsman (The Wire)
  • Roland Pryzbylewski
  • Wee-Bey Brice
  • Proposition Joe
  • Dennis "Cutty" Wise
  • Clay Davis
  • Alma Gutierrez
  • Scott Templeton
  • Stringer Bell
• Articles that make only a very negligible claim to notability (e.g. one random article that included them in a list of popular characters; the bar I've used here is if an article only has one reference talking about the critical reaction to the character or any other not-in-universe stuff other "origins of the character" sort of stuff [the latter of which I don't consider useful for establishing notability under most circumstances])
  • Lester Freamon
  • Ellis Carver
  • Herc
  • D'Angelo Barksdale
  • Tommy Carcetti
  • Namond Brice
  • Randy Wagstaff

So far the only person who I've seen object to redirecting these on content-based grounds (as opposed to the other two editors above I mentioned, who only objected to the procedure with which I was going about it but didn't express any opposition in principle to redirecting these) is User:Premeditated Chaos, who reverted one of the prods (on the article Kima Greggs) and said "there's enough critical commentary available about the character in academic sources for a clear claim of notability", i.e., the article can be improved to a level that will meet the inclusion threshold. On this I beg to differ; I have not done a comprehensive literature search, but I skimmed the first few pages of Google Scholar and Google books and, while I found a lot of books and articles analyzing The Wire and many of these happen to mention this character, it doesn't look like any are specifically about this character.

Beyond that, I have not yet seen anyone actually suggesting these articles should be kept. There was an AfD on this nine years ago (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alma Gutierrez) and not one person spoke up in favor of keeping; all anyone said was that it should be discussed somewhere other than AfD. (One participant was in favor of merging them all, as I am proposing here, and two participants just said it should be discussed somewhere other than AfD.)

Ultimately I guess what we have here is a philosophical disagreement on Inclusionism (i.e., "some of these topics might merit inclusion, and the onus is on someone else to prove which ones don't") vs. Deletionism (i.e., "these topics have not been demonstrated to merit inclusion so they should be deleted except where someone can demonstrate on an article-by-article basis which ones merit inclusion), which I don't really want to get into, but I guess one of the other of these views is necessarily informing what people think of what to do with these articles (it's obvious which camp I'm in).

Anyway, I don't think redirecting all of these is necessarily contrary to the spirit of inclusionism anyway; it mostly entails just deleting a lot of unencyclopedic in-universe junk that shouldn't be here anyway, and someone with more time on their hands could always come back in later and re-create (i.e. un-redirect) some of these articles with actually encyclopedic stuff the second time around. I don't think any Wikipedian of any philosophical bent could possibly object to removing almost all the content of a trash page like this; the only real question is what the form of that removal should take, i.e., wholesale blanking-and-redirecting, vs. removing almost all the content but leaving the article there as a stub with a very brief synopsis and a big pile of cleanup tags at the top. Either way, I'm sure everyone agrees that most of the content in all of these articles needs to go. 61.18.156.43 (talk) 03:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC) 61.18.156.43 (talk) 03:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

The Wire is considered to be one of the greatest television shows of all time, #2 behind The Sopranos. These standalone articles were quite helpful for me to understand the plot when I was watching the show. I don't see why you want to remove information that readers can utilize and access. Hard disagree with your proposal. The show is significant enough to have standalone articles. LJF2019 ^talk 19:29, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Notability is not inherited. Subjects that don't meet notability guidelines independent of the works they are associated with do not have the necessary level of coverage to produce a article that is verifiable to our standards. All topics, including all TV shows, are subject to the the general notability guideline. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:00, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Echoing Rosguill: the fact that a show is great does not mean that every trivial character from the show gets a standalone article. And the fact that an article was helpful doesn't mean it meets the inclusion criteria (see WP:ITSUSEFUL). 61.18.156.43 (talk) 00:46, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Quick update: when I posted this proposal I also notified several editors who had objected to my redirects before. While none of them have replied here, a few replied on their talk pages, so I am noting those replies here for the sake of keeping all the discussion in one place. One user said he agrees the articles are bad, but did not address the substantive question (whether they should be redirected, turned into stubs, or left alone). Another said that, while they probably agree with redirecting the articles on minor characters, the ones on major characters (specifically Kima Greggs) have the potential to pass GNG and thus should be tagged for cleanup but not redirected. I agree with the latter editor so I started redirecting the articles on minor characters (the division between "major" and "minor" is of course subjective) but intend to skip Kima Greggs and instead turn that article into a short stub with cleanup tags. 61.18.156.43 (talk) 00:52, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@61.etc: I'd say you prettty much have your answer. The editors that have contributed to those pages, along with the ones that reverted your blank-and-redirect edits, plus the "several editors who had objected to [your] redirects before", along with ediors here in favour of those pages, and, all the editors that have not shown up to to support you, demonstrates a consensus to keep those pages. (Plus all the implied consensus that built up since they were created.) Might be time to let this go.

On a side note, you wrote: "I can't create an AfD page without registering an account, and I don't want to do that"... why not? You've only made 144 edits with this account (all to The Wire character pages, but clearly you have more than 144 edits worth of experience, so what is all this about? - wolf 15:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Does anyone actually have a reason these articles should be kept (i.e., evidence that they meet the GNG, which we presumably are all deeply familiar with), or just complaints about procedure? As far as I can tell, out of the three editors who have said anything whatsoever about the content of the pages here, one (User:LJF2019) said they should stay [but for reasons that are explicitly contra WP:AVOID—your own claim, FYI, is also in WP:AVOID, because "implied consensus" is not a thing AFAIK, see WP:ARTICLEAGE], and two (User talk:Rosguill and me) said or at least implied that they should go, so I don't see any consensus to keep (if anything, there is perhaps no consensus either way, partly because hardly anyone will even respond to the issue).

Regarding your side note, (1) you are wrong (if you look back in the contribs of this account you will see edits to other topics; the only reason there are a lot of edits to this topic is because (a) there are a lot of articles about it, and (b) this is the only topic anyone objected to my edits about); and (2) the reasons I do or do not want to register an account are patently irrelevant to whether or not these articles are encyclopedic, so I see no reason for either of us to discuss them here. Whether someone is logged in to an account or not has no bearing on a content disagreement (or is Wikipedia no longer "the encyclopedia that anyone can edit"?) 61.18.156.43 (talk) 17:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

1) You linked a dab. You've also linked some essays, which are not WP:PG (just sayin). 2) Sure, it's the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, but also the one where only registered editors can initiate AfDs. 3) You yourself just said there is "no consensus" here, so... why keep pushing with this? - wolf 23:19, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I’m one of the realest editors you’ll find on this site. What it boils down to is that you want to remove a significant amount of useful information and you’re editing from an IP. People are going to oppose you; you come off as trying to damage the project rather than help it. The articles have been there for years. Thousands of people have used the information on those articles. And you want to remove it and redirect it so it’s no longer accessible. No thanks. LJF2019 ^talk 19:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

We need to follow policies and guidelines. Information being useful does not mean that it is appropriate for an encyclopedia. Per policy at WP:PLOT, "Wikipedia articles should not be summary-only descriptions of works. Wikipedia treats creative works (including, for example, works of art or fiction, video games, documentaries, research books or papers, and religious texts) in an encyclopedic manner, discussing the development, design, reception, significance, and influence of works in addition to concise summaries of those works." When it comes to fictional characters, we need that treatment. A lot of these articles do not have that treatment, so their existence on Wikipedia for years does not matter if they are not following the guidelines. It is possible that certain characters warrant standalone articles, but that splitting-off needs to be evidenced because all of these characters exist under the umbrella of The Wire. See something like list of Smallville characters where notable characters have their own articles (and summary sections) where non-notable characters have a few paragraphs about them in the broader list article. Something like that should be done here. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 20:55, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Pinging Piotrus. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 20:46, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Huh. Many of these articles should be redirected. Given there is some opposition to this, AfD is the way. Anon really should create an account and join us in the cleanup as a regular fellow editor. Hope to see you (and the articles) at AfD. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 20:51, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I considered AfD as well, but the last time these were taken to AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alma Gutierrez) everyone just said it should be discussed somewhere else; hence why I tried to open a discussion here. So far the experience I've had here is that every time I point out these articles have problems, almost nobody disagrees with that assessment but everyone just tells me to forum-shop elsewhere. (also: Hi Piotrus, good to see a familiar name here! I'm not using my account anymore but I remember your work from back when I used to be a regular editor and I appreciate all you do for the encyclopedia!) 61.18.156.43 (talk) 04:18, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

How about following the process at Wikipedia:Merging or Wikipedia:Proposed article mergers? Have the discussion at Talk:List of The Wire characters. From what I can tell, any standalone article that has just in-universe information (and violates policy at WP:PLOT) should just have their articles' lead sections copied and pasted into the list article. For starring characters, probably possible to keep them standalone, but the rest likely best belong on the list. EDIT: You could use this as a starting point where characters with the least number of episodes could be assessed first, ignoring the topmost ones for now. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I'd be fine with either of those. It's just extremely frustrating that every time I try to raise this issue, everyone just says "discuss it somewhere else", and often does not participate in the discussion that I open. I recognize that you are trying to be helpful and constructive (and indeed are being much more helpful and constructive than most of the other editors I've interacted with on this), but even your helpful comment here is also another example of what I just described above (i.e., people not disagreeing with my criticism of the content but telling me to open a discussion somewhere else). By now I've tried to start this discussion many times (first by redirecting some of the articles and then going to the talk page of the editor who disagreed with blanking, then by using PROD and again going to the talk page of the editor who disagreed with blanking, then by starting this discussion because I thought this might be a good centralized place to get feedback from more people) and every time I'm mostly just told things along the lines of "discuss it somewhere else". I think we already agree on the content issues (redirect/merge the minor characters and keep the major ones—deciding who is "major" and "minor" is precisely the kind of thing that it would be useful to have discussion on, rather than just more and more discussion of where the discussion should be) because they are pretty obvious. 61.18.156.43 (talk) 04:36, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, the list of characters to tackle is pretty daunting, and the degree of notability will vary. So that seems to mean one overall decision seems unlikely, so to do this one article at a time is probably not appealing as a whole. I just mention the above so you can have a consensus to actually complete what you were trying to do, overruling the lazy reverting on some editors' parts. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

So we can just decide not to make a Wikipedia account in order to bypass the AFD process? Neat. --SubSeven (talk) 03:10, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I never said anything about bypassing AfD. As I've already said (I don't remember if it was in this thread or elsewhere), I didn't think AfD was appropriate because this was already taken to AfD before and, while nobody actually said the articles should be kept, everyone at the AfD said it should be discussed somewhere other than AfD. I did consider AfD at one point, but worried that it would just have the same outcome again, with everyone just saying "this should be discussed somewhere else". What's the point of opening an AfD when people have already done that and concluded that AfD is not the place? If we decide to open an AfD again, we need to have some new reason to argue why this stuff really does belong at AfD and the conclusion of the previous AfD was wrong. Anyway, the fact that I don't have an account is irrelevant to the discussion because if we do decide to open an AfD I could write the rationale here and someone else could post it or I could do it via WT:AFD (at the time I first started this thread I had forgotten that that route was an option), so it would be great if people could actually address the content issue instead of just constantly having hissy fits about the fact that I'm not logged in to an account [which, again, is a fact that's completely irrelevant to the content issue at hand]. 61.18.156.43 (talk) 04:18, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Edits by IPv6 range

Hello. I came across some edits in articles that appear to be characters in series or TV programs within this dynamic IP range: 2604:3D09:7581:F500:C496:79B6:9CB9:B6D9/32. Some of them have been reverted already (e.g., at Midnight Mass (miniseries), Ned Leeds) others not (Sonic the Hedgehog (IDW Publishing), Kyle Abbott (The Young and the Restless)). I'm unfamiliar with this whole topic area, so maybe someone here can take a look and see if there's anything to be concerned about. Mathglot (talk) 00:51, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Peepoodo & the Super Fuck Friends for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Peepoodo & the Super Fuck Friends is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peepoodo & the Super Fuck Friends (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

--Historyday01 (talk) 00:28, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Jack Sparrow

I have nominated Jack Sparrow for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. BloatedBun (talk) 10:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

The Fairly OddParents characters dispute

 You are invited to join the discussion at talk:List of The Fairly OddParents characters#Vicky is a main AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 15:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Proposed change to List of fictional non-binary characters edit notice

You are invited to join the discussion here, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Presently, the edit notice for the List of fictional non-binary characters states that only character "is eligible for this list if the character or work they appear in is notable, specifically if the character is a main or recurring character. This is meant to keep the list meaningful and useful." This replaced the previous version which stated that only characters are eligible for the list if "their gender identity matches in some way human experience of gender." Comments from members of this project would be appreciated. Historyday01 (talk) 13:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Proposed splitting of Pierrot article

Hi everyone, I am thinking of splitting the latter part of the article along the lines of this: Cultural references to Hamlet. Any suggestions? If so, please join the discussion on the Pierrot talk page. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 07:40, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

"Astra (comics)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Astra (comics) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 4#Astra (comics) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 64.229.88.43 (talk) 03:01, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Cutty-sark (witch) listed at Requested moves (rename article)

A Requested move discussion (rename article) has been initiated for Cutty-sark (witch). Please join the discussion here. Sangdeboeuf (talk) 13:07, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Requesting help expanding Draft:Jones (fictional cat)

Hello, all. I was wondering if I could get some help writing Draft:Jones (fictional cat) and getting it to have enough sources to pass the GNG and be suitable as an article. Thanks, Di (they-them) (talk) 03:31, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for GLaDOS

GLaDOS has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:16, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Proposed split of page for Amity Blight from List of The Owl House characters page

Hello everyone! I would like your input on a discussion on the List of The Owl House characters talk page, about whether to split off the section for Amity Blight into its own page. Currently, the page is draft available at Draft:Amity Blight, and consensus in this discussion is important to determine whether this character should get its own article. Thanks and I hope to see your comments. Historyday01 (talk) 01:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:History of LGBT characters in animation

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:History of LGBT characters in animation#Page name change/purpose?, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Thanks! Historyday01 (talk) 22:04, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Recently proposed mergers

In light of some recent drive-by editing by a certain user, I decided to propose some mergers of various pages about LGBTQ animated characters:

• Animated series with LGBT characters: 1990s into History of LGBT characters in animation: 1990s, discussion here

• Animated series with LGBT characters: 2000s into History of LGBT characters in animation: 2000s, discussion here

• Animated series with LGBT characters: 2010s into History of LGBT characters in animation: 2010s, discussion here

Also, if you haven't already, I'd encourage you to participate in this discussion about the proposed merger of Animated series with LGBT characters: 2020s and List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–present, which has been stale since Dec. 2022, and the discussion about possible name change/purpose of History of LGBT characters in animation.

Thanks! Historyday01 (talk) 17:47, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Lists of LGBT figures in fiction and myth

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Lists of LGBT figures in fiction and myth#Expansion of LGBT figures in fiction and myth page, asking how to expand the "Lists of LGBT figures in fiction and myth" page so as to more fully encompass topics about LGBT characters and media within the scope of "fiction and myth", which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Thanks! Historyday01 (talk) 17:22, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Randy and Sharon Marsh#Requested move 24 March 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Randy and Sharon Marsh#Requested move 24 March 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 10:25, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Jason Voorhees article

There is discussion on the appropriate headings for on the Jason Voorhees article. If anyone would like to weigh in, your input would be welcome. here. Andrzejbanas (talk) 02:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

"Saphire Halliwell" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Saphire Halliwell has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 23 § Saphire Halliwell until a consensus is reached. -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 02:42, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

New Project Open

WikiProject Video games now has a character task force at WP:VGCHAR. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:34, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:F.A.N.G. (Street Fighter)#Requested move 7 August 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:F.A.N.G. (Street Fighter)#Requested move 7 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 13:34, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:F.A.N.G. (Street Fighter)#Requested move 7 August 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:F.A.N.G. (Street Fighter)#Requested move 7 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 10:07, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Fixing up fictional people

So, I ran into Taro Tsujimoto, who was a hockey player that didn't exist. This then leads to "Category:Fictional ice hockey players", then "Category:Fictional winter sportspeople", then "Category:Fictional sportspeople" and then that leads to "Category:Fictional characters by occupational types".

"Category:Fictional characters by occupational types" is where I think the categories get messed up. I feel like Obi-Wan Kenobi is a fictional character, but I feel like Taro Tsujimoto is a fictional person. Maybe there's not a huge difference but as someone who was looking to find information on people who don't exist, it is confusing and lead me to the wrong place.

Any thoughts? KatoKungLee (talk) 23:36, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Multiple Transformers deletion discussions

A user has mass-nominated a whole bunch of Transformers articles and other pages for deletion. Please see the following:

• AfDs
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jazz (Transformers) (2nd nomination)
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cliffjumper (2nd nomination)
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sideswipe (Transformers)
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blaster (Transformers) (2nd nomination)
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scorponok
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jetfire
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ultra Magnus (2nd nomination)
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grimlock (3rd nomination)
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Smokescreen (Transformers)
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dinobot (Beast Wars)
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fallen (Transformers)
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unicron
  • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cliffjumper (3rd nomination)
• TfDs
  • Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 August 29#Template:Infobox Transformers character
• FfDs
  • Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2023 August 28#File:Jetfire-dd.jpg
  • Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2023 August 28#File:Csjetfire5.jpg
  • Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2023 August 28#File:Ultramagnus2.jpg
  • Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2023 August 28#File:Spike Witwicky in Dreamwave comics.jpg
  • Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2023 August 28#File:TFMM COUNTDOWN.jpg

See also the related discussion at User talk:Grandmaster Huon#About Your Recent AfD Nominations. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:00, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Frankenstein's Promethean dimension

An article which may be of interest to members of this project—Frankenstein's Promethean dimension —has been proposed for merging with Victor Frankenstein. If you are interested, please follow the (Discuss) link at the top of the article to participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. —Alalch E. 23:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC) —Alalch E. 23:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Feedback request on List of fictional non-binary characters

Your feedback on a discussion, about whether 19 characters in animation, comics/manga, live-action television, video games, webcomics, and other mediums should be included on the list of fictional non-binary characters, would be appreciated at Talk:List of fictional non-binary characters#Removal of entries. Thanks! Historyday01 (talk) 13:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested input on Talk:Shipping (fandom)

There's a discussion on Talk:Shipping (fandom) about whether (or not) to add a section about antis/anti-shippers to the article. Your input would be appreciated. Historyday01 (talk) 17:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of EastEnders characters (1985)#Requested move 5 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of EastEnders characters (1985)#Requested move 5 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Assistance with Dad's Army characters

Hi everyone. I was just wondering whether anyone could assist me with improving the Dad's Army character articles?

The articles are mainly made up of in-universe information that is unsourced or not sourced enough, and these articles need to be rewritten in order to sound more encyclopedic. Additional information relating to each character's reception and their creation would also be needed. The following articles need attention:

• Captain Mainwaring
• Sergeant Wilson
• Lance Corporal Jones
• Private Frazer
• Private Godfrey
• Private Walker
• Private Pike

There are a number of good resources out there, including The Complete A-Z of Dad's Army by Richard Webber, which has already been referenced in many of the articles, and Dad's Army: The Story of a Classic Television Show by Graham McCann. If you would like to assist, please leave a message on my talk page so I can designate an article for you to work on (or you can nominate an article for yourself), and start editing! Many thanks, Lotsw73 (talk) 05:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Fossil Pokémon (Sword and Shield)#Requested move 31 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Fossil Pokémon (Sword and Shield)#Requested move 31 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Green Knight

Green Knight has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Spinixster (chat!) 09:23, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Mr._Toad#Merge?

If you have an opinion, please share. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

"Charlie Morningstar" and "Vaggie" at AfD

"Charlie Morningstar" and "Vaggie" have been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Morningstar and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vaggie. Your comments on these AfDs would be appreciated. Historyday01 (talk) 04:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Nux (Mad Max)

Nux (Mad Max) has been nominated for deletion. Discussion participation and/or article improvements welcome ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Michael Myers (Halloween)

Michael Myers (Halloween) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 03:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Assistance with Draft:Dennis Loughran

I was trying to make my first article about the following character from Hotel Transylvania in a draft article, but the reason it got demoted down to a draft, is because it is not suitable as written to remain published.

Here is the following draft that I'm referring to: Draft:Dennis Loughran.

If anyone has any suggestions, or has any ideas for me to improve this article draft, please reply. Clay2004 (talk) 18:09, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Clay. The reason it got demoted is because a Wikipedia article about a fictional character needs to be based on what reliable sources write about that character. To only describe the character as they appear in the media is only a small part of what a character's article should cover, and that description should be basic enough that all readers can agree. (It can be a slippery slope for one of us editors to presume a character's personality.) The idea behind Wikipedia editing, in essence, is summarizing what others have written about a topic. Even then, it's possible that a fictional character may not warrant their own article, if that character can be adequately summarized in a higher-level article. List of Smallville characters is one example, where it is a mix of characters that do not have their own articles and characters who have their own articles with the list summarizing these articles. In the case of Dennis, something like this could be used to indicate, "The rest of this anemic mixed-marriage soap opera pivots on whether Dennis will grow up to be a chip off the old bat..." This is another Dennis-focused piece that could be used. And this could be used to describe the character's design. Feel free to ask any questions! Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, Erik. I've been updating the draft, and added in footnotes. These footnotes need to be reviewed, but I would love it if anyone can also help with the draft.

This leads to this question: Could anyone else edit someone else's draft? Clay2004 (talk) 19:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Clay, yes, any editor can edit a draft. But I wanted to clarify something. I get the sense that you are more interested in writing about this character "in-universe". On Wikipedia, an article about a character needs to have mainly out-of-universe context with only in-universe context to support that. Have you considered looking at the Hotel Transylvania Wiki, if you haven't already, if you're interested in just what happens in the films? Here is the page for Dennis there. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:23, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Well Erik, I'm trying a mix of both, the trouble is the out-of-universe context. However, I'm trying my best to do so. Sometimes, I might need some time and figure out how to put in the out-of-text context. For example, for a section about reception of the character as a whole, I need to add separate reviews from reviewers and all that.

Plus, I would need to verify the sources, which isn't hard. But these source alone aren't bad either, it's just how to "phrase them" is the issue. Clay2004 (talk) 19:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Iron Man FAC

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Discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists

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Good article reassessment for Angels in Neon Genesis Evangelion

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Draft:Antón Castillo

Dear WikiProject members,

I was just wondering whether any members of this WikiProject would consider contributing to a draft article about Antón Castillo, the central antagonist of Far Cry 6. The draft is still in its early stages, but it has potential to reach a quality standard, similar to the articles of the antagonists of Far Cry 3–5: Vaas Montenegro, Pagan Min and Joseph Seed. So far I have had very little experience in editing fictional character articles, so I was hoping that a few editors here may be able to lend a hand.

If you are interested, please indicate this with a short message below, or simply start contributing to the draft. :)

Kind regards and all the best, Lotsw73 (talk) 12:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

When it comes to video game characters, Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Video game characters is the perfect place. = ) 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 12:58, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Greenish Pickle! Thanks for the tip! Lotsw73 (talk) 13:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Assistance for Michael Myers

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Michael Myers (Halloween) is under GA review at the moment. Does anyone have some time to go over to help address some of the issues with the page, as mentioned in the GAR on the talk page? I'm very swamped in real life and don't have the time to spend to go through the page and clean up some of the irrelevance that has crept in, as well as expand on some sections (e.g., reception). So, I'm hoping some film/horror enthusiasts, or just some willing editors with more time, can help out. Any help is appreciated. Thank you.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Everything Everywhere All at Once

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Requested move at Talk:Rita Sullivan#Requested move 2 May 2024

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Damian Hubbard, from Mean Girls

I've created Damian Hubbard, if any project members more familiar with standards for fictional character entries are able to improve further. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

FAR for Bernard Quatermass

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Requested move at Talk:Fictosexuality#Requested move 13 June 2024

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Article dispute

Hello! I was wondering if I could get some help. I spent the last two weeks editing Princess Leia, but another user feels that I've drastically altered the page in a negative way. They have restored the page to a previous version that doesn't contain any of my edits. You can view their criticism here. I was wondering if there are any experts at writing about fictional characters who would be interested in taking a look at our dispute and offering insight. Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 23:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

FAR for Jason Voorhees

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Proposed deletion of John Sheppard (Stargate)

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Restructuring of Transformers character articles

Taking a look at the articles for some of the Transformers franchise, it's obvious that all of them have pretty big issues, being primarily just biographies of all the various iterations of a given character that exist across the Transformers media; films, cartoons, comics, games, etc. No information on these characters in terms of their creation, development in given media, or a critical response to these characters or their popularity. Clearly, a restructuring is needed for all these pages. My question is this. Which format should be followed?

The problem with the Transformers franchise is that it is a multi-media and multi-continuity franchise. I did consider something akin to the Iron Man or Captain America articles. Both of these characters, as with many others from Marvel/DC, have appeared in various continuities, in "what-if" comics and non-comics media. With such characters, despite their various incarnations, the articles themselves are always about the MAIN version of the character. Earth-616 for Marvel, the main universe for DC; whether thats Earth-Two, One, New, or Prime.

But one issue with that is that unlike characters from the Big Two where you can argue that the mainstream comics version of the characters is the main one, Transformers doesn't really have a truly "main" universe. Would it be where the characters first showed up? Whether it's the 80s cartoon, the movies, comics, or something else? To "solve" this problem, I did consider the character pages from the Neon Genesis Evangelion and Fate/stay night franchises. In pages like Kaworu Nagisa or Asuka Langley Soryu for example, the "Conception" and "Reception" sections does in a way focus on their representation in the series, but do also include some info on other appearances.

However, the issue with following that approach is deciding on which of the various films, cartoons, comics, and games to include in things like "Development", "Reception", and "Popularity"; and, of course, the "Biography" section. So, any thoughts on how the character pages of a highly significant franchise - with this being a problem across character pages of the entire franchise - should be improved upon? PanagiotisZois (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

@PanagiotisZois This is why most of fictional character articles are awful. This Wikiproject is dead 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 10:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

FAR for Pauline Fowler

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