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Removing Vietnamese diacritics

There is a large-scale ongoing action to remove Vietnamese diacritics from articles' titles. The given reason is that these are rare in published English and reference is made to this, by my understanding quite far from the consensus move request. I would kindly ask what is the WP:VIETNAM's position regarding these moves and if there are any relevant guidelines about using Vietnamese diacritics in Wikipedia. Beagel (talk) 06:40, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Your best bet is Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Vietnamese), which I believe grew out of a fairly lengthy debate about article naming conventions that encompassed the use of diacritics in article titles. There wasn't so much a consensus position stated in that debate as there were certain points agreed on, and the written policy was developed over time based on that discussion. The main gist of the discussion revolved around the idea of defining "common use", since most people were for the idea of using anglicized names if these are in common use in anglophone literature, and using diacritics otherwise. I suspect Kauffner may have more to say about it than me, since he's been more active both in developing the policy and in policing page moves since that time. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 02:58, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Vietnam search results (from AlexNewArtBot)

Is anyone actively using this list of search results? It was set up in 2008 and hasn't been modified since. It contains a huge number of false results, which is why I'm guessing it isn't very valuable. tedder (talk) 11:47, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

AlexNewArtBot used to work very well, returning only a few false positives and far fewer results in general. At some point in the past few years, though something suddenly stopped working and now we have the huge number of false results being displayed now. I don't know if or when the creator intends on fixing this, but I know I still use it, since it does allow us to find new Vietnam-related articles-- just gotta look for the articles with a higher score. I've gone in and made a few changes that might help, although I'm not really sure how it's supposed to work--any help in figuring it out would be greatly appreciated :) --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 07:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Icon Picture Change Proposal for WikiProject Vietnam

I propose that the icon representing WikiProject Vietnam, the one that displays on the each project member's page, be changed to an image depicting the national map of V-N, with a Dong Son drum design in the background. I feel that representing the group with the red flag and yellow star is not representative of every member of the project, nor entirely representative of the entire Vietnamese people and Vietnamese nation, as many, many Vietnamese are opposed to the current Communist regime ruling Viet Nam today, inside (secretly, due to fears of persecution), and outside (very publicly) of Viet Nam, and are offended of using the flag or depictions of it. Instead of using the flag, my suggestion would be the best alternative, as it is entirely representative of the Vietnamese Nation, especially our history, and would appease all Vietnamese regardless of their political views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nguyen1310 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Certainly an image that shows a little more imagination would be nice. How about a woman wearing an ao dai and a conical hat? Something like . Kauffner (talk) 02:23, 14 March 2012 (UTC) -Oh yes, that'll be a better idea!

Support Wikipe-tan in áo dài, because she's dễ thương. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 06:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

There being no objection, I went ahead and changed the icon. Kauffner (talk) 12:27, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Just as an aside, I don't actually use the default userbox; I use my own copy with the red-with-yellow-star flag, since I didn't like the formatting of the existing userbox. I'll probably keep on using it, and I'd encourage anyone who wants to create their own personal userbox (with various different flags, etc) to do so. Mine can be found at User:Dragfyre/UBX/WPVietnam. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 09:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Add photo from Viet-language article of Admiral Hoang Co Minh to English version

Please add this photo from the Vietnamese-language version of this article to this English one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/vi/b/b1/Hoangcominh.jpg . I don't know how i can do this so can someone please add it? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nguyen1310 (talk • contribs) 07:58, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

• It's hosted on the Vietnamese Wikipedia (vi:File:Hoangcominh.jpg). If it is a free image, it can be moved to the Commons WhisperToMe (talk) 18:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
  • The image page says it is PD, but it would be good for somebody to check and make sure WhisperToMe (talk) 18:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Thái Xuân, Xuan Loc

Does anyone know where I can find more sources about Thái Xuân, Xuan Loc? There's one article in the Houston Press but I would like to find more.

Thank you WhisperToMe (talk) 18:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

You can Google "Giáo xứ Thái Xuân" (Thái Xuân Parish) to find some Vietnamese-language sources mentioning it. DHN (talk) 21:46, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

"Thái Xuân" is the name of a Catholic church in Xuan Loc. It is not a legally recognized town or district. I know this place. Kauffner (talk) 02:36, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Alright - are there other articles about the locality that are in English? I would like to write about it. I already have a section about it at Xuan Loc. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

That section probably belongs in Roman Catholic Diocese of Xuan Loc instead of Xuan Loc. DHN (talk) 07:12, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

But it's not just the church. There's an entire community around it. See http://www.houstonpress.com/2005-12-15/news/tale-of-two-cities/ - It started as a hamlet in 1954 WhisperToMe (talk) 07:39, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

The address of the church is "Giáo Xứ Thái Xuân, Ấp Bảo Ðịnh, xã Xuân Ðịnh, Xuân Lộc, Ðồng Nai". So there is no hamlet, village or community called "Thai Xuan" anymore. In the 1970s, all the hamlets got merged into communes (xã). It looks like Thai Xuan was merged with several other villages to created Xuan Dinh commune. I checked everywhere, but there doesn't seem to be anything in English on the Web about this place, aside from the Houston Press article. Here is a picture. Kauffner (talk) 10:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah, okay. It reminds me of how Japanese municipalities have been and are being merged with each other. The old ones still have their own articles, but the new ones of course have them too. Do you think we should create an article about Xuan Dinh and then talk about the old Thai Xuan in that one? WhisperToMe (talk) 17:05, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Fine by me. There are quite a few xã articles already. Kauffner (talk) 02:44, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Cool beans! I started Xuan Dinh. I have an interest in it because it was the namesake of Thai Xuan Village in Houston, Texas. WhisperToMe (talk) 13:27, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Albert Schlicklin

Seems an important French priest in Vietnam. Does anyone have any source for date of birth? In ictu oculi (talk) 05:11, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Perth requested-move notification

A requested move survey was started at Talk:Perth_(disambiguation)#Requested_move, which proposes to move:

• Perth → Perth, Western Australia
• Perth, Scotland → Perth, Perthshire
• Perth (disambiguation) → Perth

Background: There was a previous requested-move survey which ran from late May to mid June. There was a great deal of controversy surrounding the closure and subsequent events, which involved a number of reverts and re-reverts which are the subject of an ongoing arbitration case. There was a move review process, which was closed with a finding that the original requested-move closure was endorsed; however, the move review process is relatively new and untried. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 03:31, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Requested move: Decapitalize the word "war" in non-proper noun titles

Concerning the following articles: Sino-Xiongnu War, Gojoseon–Han War, Goguryeo–Wei War, Goguryeo–Sui War, Goguryeo–Tang War, Silla–Tang War, Ming–Kotte War, Ming–Hồ War, Mongol–Jin War, Gaya–Silla War, Goguryeo–Yamato War, Goryeo–Khitan War.

The move request is at [1].--Cold Season (talk) 02:41, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Open Vietnam-related RMs

• (Discuss) – Bat dau tu nay → Bắt đầu từ nay
• (Discuss) – Com tam →Cơm tấm
• (Discuss) – Ho Quy Ly →Hồ Quý Ly –

Note. This note was added (unsigned) by Kauffner, all these RMs passed. In ictu oculi (talk)

RfC on the spelling of Vietnamese names

RfC: Should the spelling of Vietnamese names follow the general usage of English-language reliable sources? Examples: Ngo Dinh Diem, Ho Chi Minh, and Saigon, or Ngô Đình Diệm, Hồ Chí Minh, and Sài Gòn. The RfC is here. Kauffner (talk) 07:05, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Note - this RfC was initiated following questioning of bulk undiscussed moves by User:Kauffner

1. The number of moves is around 1000 under own name, + 600 using G6 "uncontroversial moves" requests
2. messages to Kauffner to stop making these moves go back to the Talk:Cần Thơ/Archive 1 RM result. The messages (from admin Prolog, User Gimmetoo, and others?) were removed from Kauffner's talk page and ignored.
3. despite (i) the misrepresentation (scare tactic?) in the RfC wording "Sài Gòn", and (ii) selective canvassing of WP:CONSERVATISM and users known to be against use of accents in foreign names, the results from the RfC were 26 expressing support for use of full Vietnamese names in titles and text body, and only 16 in support of Kauffner's proposal.
4. Kauffner's moves additionally involved (i) IP activity archiving failed RMs, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Kauffner/Archive and (ii) deletion of notices of failed Talk:Cần Thơ/Archive 1 RM talk page notices prior to requesting G6 uncontroversial moves from admins.
5. At this point it seems appropriate to reverse Kauffner's 1,800 undiscussed/G6 moves. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:14, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Proposed Code of conduct for the South China Sea

See this thread at ANI. GotR ^Talk 15:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Most decorated soldier of Second Indochina War contradictory statements

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Jorge Otero Barreto#Most decorated. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Creating articles of villages and township of Vietnam

I will create these articles using the data at here (there are about 10.000 villages and townships left). But I dont known clealy the rules. So I propose some cases

In general, their names should be [village name, province name], instead of [village name, district name] the priority as:

1. Tân Bình, Ben Tre instead of Tan Binh, Mo Cay Bac (named follow Mo Cay Bac District)
2. Tân Bình, Bến Tre
3. Tan Binh, Bến Tre
4. Tan Binh, Ben Tre.

Some cases, there are two or more villages have the same name in a province such as:

• An Hiệp, Ba Tri District, Ben Tre province.
• An Hiệp, Chau Thanh District, Ben Tre province.

The name should be [village, district, province]: An Hiệp, Chau Thanh District, Ben Tre or An Hiệp, Chau Thanh, Ben Tre.

A district sometime have one township and one village which have the same name. The name should be: [name (township)] and [name (village).

Is there any proposal? Thank in advance.--Cheers! (talk) 04:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Chào anh!

I have a related question at WT:CAPS regarding capitalisation of "xxx Province"

For me http://mic.gov.vn/uploads/20100623/E124-2009%20%2831-12%292-MSDVHCVN.xls didn't open, but that's probably due to a firewall problem. You might want to contact User:Dr. Blofeld, he is very skilled and productive at producing geography stubs, and he has (I have seen, I have not participated) had discussions with various users about WP:Notability. My personal feeling is that per WP:WORLDVIEW if there is an article in vi.wp it is legitimate to have a stub in en.wp, but it's not a view held strongly and people on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Geography will be better informed.

As regards format I personally would just follow vi.wp for format and spellings for villages, en.wp will always be dependent on foreign wikis for geo stubs, if you look at Mexican place names you'll find they follow es.wp, for French places fr.wp and so on. Inventing new English formats and inventing "English" spellings for places never even mentioned in English is likely to lead to confusion and mistakes - particularly when villages have different Vietnamese names but anglicizing them makes the 2 different names the same. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:40, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Me personally I dislike lower casing for province and district names. I see somebody has moved them to lower casing for provinces. IN regards to communes and villages always go by the highest administrative order in disambiguation. If there is only one commune with that name, no dab is needed, if there is only one in one province and another in another province under the same name just the province name on the end e.g Can Thanh, Ben Tre will do. If there are several in province then xxxx, district. Same goes for villages if there are several in same district with the same name use commune on the end. Personally I prefer to use the correct native accents for the titles but others prefer them without. I think the best thing to do would be to create with diacritics and then redirect the plain english. If you are serious about creating them, let me know exactly what data you have and I will compile a mock article for you to copy to ensure it is done as efficiently as possible.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:27, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

As far as I can tell this advice from Dr. Blofeld on all 3 points looks consistent with what en.wp does for other countries. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:45, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

You can find the data in the worksheet of Xã in the excel file mentioned in above link. I have created articles with the same method as Dr. Blofeld's in vi.wikipedia. Thank you so much.--Cheers! (talk) 01:25, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

There are some new artilces such as Khánh Thạnh Tân, Hưng Khánh Trung A, Hòa Lộc, Bến Tre. How are they?--Cheers! (talk) 04:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes they look good, but if you could use Hưng Khánh Trung A as it is now exactly, I've made some changes, tidier infobox, no need to put density in text, that can go in infobox and coord missing link see the change here. If you could list the communes in the template and make templates as you go through each province this would be great. Can you go through the few you created so far and replace with this texting, but you'll need to remove the coord missing for communes which you have coordinates for. If you could do that and continue and gradually fill out the commune list you created and template as you go, this method of creation would be perfect. We would be greatly appreciative of you putting an article on every commune on here in English and a superb way to start trying to cover the whole of Vietnam in English which has never been covered in this way before.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:46, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments, I will use the form of [Hưng Khánh Trung A] for other articles and follow yor recommend.--Cheers! (talk) 06:46, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

South China Sea naming dispute

Since we have a Sea of Japan naming dispute article, should a companion article be created for the South China Sea naming dispute ? As it is the "South Sea" (PRC/ROC), "East Sea" (Vietnam), "West Philippine Sea" (Philippines) and "South China Sea" (internationally/HK). As the Philippines and HK are English speaking localities of the region, and Vietnam uses "East Sea" internationally in English, there seems to be enough to work from. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 03:15, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Not a bad idea to expand on this topic, since the issue has been gaining more coverage lately. A quick search comes up with a number of potential news sources to pull from. I'm wondering whether a new article needs to be created, however, or the existing articles rearranged. To wit, South China Sea dispute already exists, which redirects to Territorial disputes in the South China Sea, which refers to disputes over the individual islands. If we created South China Sea naming dispute, to which article would South China Sea dispute redirect to? Wouldn't it be better to move the "Territorial disputes" article to South China Sea dispute, and simply add a section to that article about the naming dispute? After all, the naming issue is just another side of the same conflict over who gets to rip the oil out from under which islands (or which part of the sea floor, as the case may be). --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 13:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Vovinam and Vo Lam

Hi—User:Mdtemp has PRODed Vovinam and Volam Vietnam due to non-notability; anyone who can help add secondary sources on either of these and/or expand either one to assert notability might want to do so soon. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 13:57, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Just removing the PROD and forcing it to AfD might give people more time to contribute... Some pages deserve to be userfied until proper referencing is included. Monni (talk) 17:47, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Translation?

Hello, I realize this request doesn't strictly belong here but I couldn't think where else to ask. I have a story of roughly 1000 words in Vietnamese which I would like to get translated into English. Is there anyone on this project who would be interested in doing this work – for payment, of course? If so, please leave a note on my talk page. Many thanks, --Viennese Waltz 09:43, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Hán tự?

Hán tự is a Vietnamese word that translates directly as "Chinese character." I don't see any RS using it the way we do in the articles. I think it is superfluous. A reader who can't tell it's a Chinese character by looking at it won't know what a Hán tự is either. The article on Tokyo opens "Tokyo (東京, Tōkyō, "Eastern Capital")." The writing system is not labeled as "kanji" or anything else. Kauffner (talk) 14:27, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

• Quote: The article on Tokyo opens "Tokyo (東京, Tōkyō, "Eastern Capital")"; the writing system is not labeled as "kanji" or anything else. Not all the Japan-related articles are like that, see Spirited Away for an exception.
• The historical information in the Wikipedia article Han tu would probably be quite interesting to some people. So why not consider it as optional to add Hán tự to articles, but Wikilink existing instances (rather than removing them)? Maybe some Vietnamese prefer to use Hán tự to identify such characters as "foreign"—they are considered to be Japanese rather than Chinese characters in Japan ;-).
• The mainland Chinese, Taiwanese, and Japanese versions of "Chinese characters" are different, but—apart from a couple of brief articles like this—I haven't yet seen Wikipedia articles describing this. It would certainly be interesting to some people to have a link to an article about this. Likewise most Korean place names were originally Chinese pictograms (it is easy to understand the meaning/origin of them, if you can read such characters) whereas the phonetic symbols of Korean or Vietnamese (used to replace the Chinese) are not. The Chinese place names highlight the big changes that have occurred over the past 100-150 years. Roppongi (literally "six trees") is a night club district with no big trees, Hibarigaoka (literally "skylark hill") probably does not have any skylarks now, and there are areas with names like Hotaruda (Hotaru is "firefly", so "firefly field"), and so on. LittleBen (talk) 14:47, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure the comparison with kanji given above is entirely correct, since kanji are used as an integral part of the Japanese language, and hán tự and chữ nôm are no longer used in Vietnam except in limited academic circles. As I understand it, that's the main argument against the use of hán tự in article leads: they're simply not used in modern-day Vietnam, and indiscriminate use in the leads of Vietnam-related articles would be akin to giving them undue weight—making the use of hán tự itself seem more important than it actually is. That's not to say that the characters aren't useful in understanding historical origins or that they weren't important in the naming of people, places and things; it's just that they are largely not relevant to a modern audience, except as an etymological vestige, and their prominent use could lead to confusion for those people who aren't even aware of their existence and would confuse them with regular Chinese characters. That said, articles related to historical figures, places or events, especially ones dating back to the period when the characters were widely used (i.e. pre-independence) could stand to make reference to them in an "Etymology" section. This is done in some articles already, including Ho Chi Minh City for example. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 18:14, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

• My original point was about word Hán tự, which as near as I can tell is a Wikipedia neologism. But the responses focus instead on the practice of putting Chinese characters in the articles. On this issue, I note that many of our readers still use XP. On XP, these characters render as squares. This looks unprofessional, especially when they appear in the opening or the infobox. Although readers are not likely to find the characters themselves meaningful, Wikitionary may contain relevant information which can be accessed by clicking on the character if {{linktext}} is used. Vietnamese today know Chinese characters only to the extent that they have learned Chinese as a foreign language. Even large and comprehensive Vietnamese dictionaries do not usually contain Chinese characters. So in contrast to Japan and Korea, they are not part of the modern language at all. For Korean, the MOS:KO recommends giving Chinese only in a language box. Having it only in an etymology section or paragraph would be even better. Kauffner (talk) 09:17, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I thought the consensus was not to use the Chinese names at all, except in historical articles, e.g. articles on emperors. Chinese characters were how emperors' names were correctly written at the time. If you want to change Han tu in those articles to Chinese script, or whatever is the title of our main article on Chinese script, that would be marginally less informative because readers wouldn't go straight to the info about how characters were used in Vietnamese. Itsmejudith (talk) 09:55, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• Quote: "the practice of putting Chinese characters in the articles. On this issue, I note that many of our readers still use XP. On XP, these characters render as squares."
• Chinese characters in English Wikipedia should be embedded in a language template such as Template:CJKV, which should ensure that they display correctly on Windows XP. If that doesn't fix the problem, put a note on the Talk Page of TheDJ, a talented Dutch programmer who seems to be the most capable and knowledgeable person on Wikipedia as regards fixing broken language templates. As a guide to what can be done, the Japanese Template:Nihongo displays a little question-mark-superscript; hovering the mouse over it displays a tool tip linked to an explanation of how to install Japanese fonts. However, my understanding is that this was for users of Windows 98 or Windows 2000, and users of Windows XP and later should have Unicode fonts already installed. Essentially the same should apply for Chinese and Vietnamese. LittleBen (talk) 11:32, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the use of the word "Hán tự", I'm afraid I'm one of those people who know very little about the subject already. From what I gather, hán tự and chữ nôm are complimentary, one referring to Chinese or Sino-Vietnamese vocabulary written in Chinese characters, and the other referring to Vietnamese vocabulary written in Chinese characters. I guess it depends on why an author would want to include those characters in the first place, and whether those characters represent Chinese loanwords or native Vietnamese words. If they're deemed notable enough for a character gloss, then I don't see why we shouldn't include the term to indicate what kind of characters they are; it should at least be linked, so that the majority of people who are ignorant about the different kinds of characters can read about them. In such cases, of course, we should also get the term right (hán tự vs. chữ nôm). --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 14:15, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• Let me try this again. What does hán tự mean? It is defined as, "n. Chinese [written] characters, Chinese script,"[2] or as dt. Chữ Hán, chữ Trung Quốc nói chung/"noun. Chinese characters, Chinese characters in general".[3] As you can see from vi:Chữ Hán, it covers Nom, Classical Chinese, Modern Chinese, kanji, and hanja. Yet from reading Wiki articles, you would think that this word refers to Sino-Vietnamese characters. I do not propose an alternative label. I prefer unlabel script, as I explain in the first post in this section. Kauffner (talk) 17:41, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

OK—maybe if we took a real-live example of a Vietnam-related article, it'd help me understand. Take say, Minh Mang—do the character glosses given in that article's lead illustrate what you mean? --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 18:01, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

See Trinh Kiem: "Trịnh Kiểm(Hán tự: 鄭檢, 1503–1570)"; Mac Thai Tong: "Mạc Thái Tông (Hán tự: 莫太宗) (?-1540)"; Temple of Literature, Hanoi: "The Temple of Literature (Vietnamese: Văn Miếu, Hán tự: 文廟)"; Ly Dao Thanh: "Lý Đạo Thành (Hán tự: 李道成)". My point is that the script labeling is superfluous. Kauffner (talk) 18:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• Hangzhou is an example of an editor being kind to the reader who wants to learn more. (Note that the "Chinese" in the lede is a clickable link.) Shanghai, on the other hand, is the opposite—not even the Chinese characters are shown. This is English Wikipedia; it's not compulsory to add Chinese, the pinyin version with or without diacritics (note that Taiwan is different), or a sound clip, but some people would appreciate it. Also, as you know, so-called "Chinese characters" are different in writing style and pronunciation in China, ROC, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam. Some people would be interested in learning about this, and learning about the history of the (characters in the) language. It would be interesting and useful to some people for the 東京 you cite to be labeled as kanji (not "Chinese", because the reading and shape can be different). Likewise, it would be interesting and maybe useful to some if the アニメ in Anime were labeled as Katakana. LittleBen (talk) 23:40, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

• Comment (Ignoring all comment related to Japanese) - The labels chữ Hán and (much less common) Hán tự (if it really is primarily Chinese) are helpful. They indicate to readers that what is being shown is chữ Hán and sometimes distinct from Chinese Hán tự. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:08, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Comment (Ignoring all comments related to European languages. Vietnamese is not a European language, and it is not English either). LittleBen (talk) 03:20, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Editors in this project aren't concerned with Race (human classification), nor indeed geographical location or linguistic descent (if being generous that's the issue here). You, as per previous comments on WP:VN articles, and reminded by your gratuitous "Dracula" comment about a Romanian place name article a few edits ago, sound like exactly what you sound like. If you can get over your issues about "European" and "Asian", then you might have something relevant to say about why Romanian Latin alphabet and Vietnamese Latin alphabet should be treated differently. Until then any further comparisons you want to make between Japanese and Vietnamese you can keep to yourself, and any further comments on Romanian alphabet and Dracula, take them to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Romania and share your feelings on Romanian diacritics there. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:29, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• Nowadays, Vietnamese generally refer to Chinese characters as chữ Hán. Hán tự is an old fashioned Sino-Vietnamese usage — and apparently self-perpetuating Wiki jargon. Compare here and here. There is no difference in meaning. A Sinicized form in Vietnamese is a fancier way to say it, like a Latinism in English (ascend vs. rise). Kauffner (talk) 09:00, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• The Vietnamese Wikipedia redirects from Hán tự to chữ Hán, whereas the English Wikipedia does the reverse. Why not fix English Wikipedia, then? LittleBen (talk) 11:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• It could be hard to change, there are several language/linguistics editors who are territorial about naming of 'their' articles, to the extent that it doesn't matter what English-using people who use the language think, only what the English scholarly journals by non-practitioners think. And WP:UCN gets ignored, because it isn't scholarly. It's caused major problems between ethnic wikiprojects and the linguistics wikiprojects before. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 05:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

• It might be a good idea to explain this in the Vietnamese language article. LittleBen (talk) 09:08, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

This issue is now up an RM:

• (Discuss) – Han tu → chữ nho Kauffner (talk) 21:38, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Language help needed at an AfD

Can anyone help evaluate the Vietnamese language sources at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nhat Nam (martial art)? Voceditenore (talk) 15:55, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

2012 Vietnamese American infobox representatives open nomination period

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Asian American#Vietnamese American infobox representative nominees. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:34, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Language support templates

Would be a good idea if someone were to tag Vietnamese language support templates with Category:Multilingual support templates. LittleBen (talk) 13:23, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Citations Using Vietnamese Personal Names

I was wondering if there is a template in place of {cite} that allows me to use Vietnamese naming order. I don't like citations that necessitate a comma after the last name, as it confuses whether the two pronouns that follow go in first-middle name order or middle-first name order. yellowtailshark (talk) 00:32, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

• You could ask on the talk page of Template:Cite. User:Redrose64 on that talk page is quite helpful, and User:TheDJ is another person who is knowledgeable and helpful for customized templates. LittleBen (talk) 02:19, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I ended up just using the author-name-separator parameter to omit the comma, and used the middle-and-first name in the "first" first name parameter. It's probably not a major issue at the moment to have a separate middle name field for citations. *knock on wood* yellowtailshark (talk) 02:29, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Vietnamese movie posters

Several Vietnamese movie posters have been nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2012 November 15 -- 70.24.250.26 (talk) 07:21, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

2012 Asian American representative approval period (Now until 18 December)

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Asian American#Representative approval. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Tet Offensive

Tet Offensive, an article that your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. AIRcorn (talk) 07:18, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Hamthuan-Dami Hydroelectric Power Station

There is a discussion about the correct name of the Hamthuan-Dami Hydroelectric Power Station article. Beagel (talk) 09:21, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Pham Duy

I've nominated Pham Duy's death to the Recent death section. The article is in a pretty bad shape not fit to be put on the front page. If you're interested, please help update this article so that it's in a better shape. DHN (talk) 20:19, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

How to capitalized "dynasty"

The Chicago Manual of Style gives the examples of "Qing dynasty" (§11.110), "Ming dynasty" (§11.108), and "Shang dynasty" (§8.71), explaining that these are considered eras rather than political divisions. But they also give "Eighteenth Dynasty". It says "some period names are capitalized, either by tradition or to avoid ambiguity" (§8.71). They give a list of twenty names, so I would conclude that otherwise the rule is not to capitalize. Google Ngram suggests that both "Tudor dynasty" and "Romanov dynasty" are generally lower cased. The ngram for "Nguyen dynasty" shows a narrow majority for lower casing. Kauffner (talk) 10:23, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Interesting information from Chicago Manual of Style, thank you. similar ngram for Tran d/Dynasty. Overall it rather suggests that either wp en toto, or by Asia project, or by individual project, should fix a MOS recommendation and then stick to it WP:VNMOS. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:41, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think we should have a recommended style and put it in VNMOS. My own preference is for lower case. I don't think we have to take much notice of Google or sources when it comes to style matters. Consistency within Wikipedia is more important. Itsmejudith (talk) 13:07, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of categories below Military_equipment_of_the_Vietnam_War

The categories below Category:Military_equipment_of_the_Vietnam_War have been proposed for deletion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_February_10#Military_equipment_of_the_Vietnam_War. DexDor (talk) 03:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

RfC - FactCheck.org citation for inclusion in John Kerry Military Service Controversy

As an article of interest in this wikiproject, opinions from project participants are solicited for this RfC. Thanks. JakeInJoisey (talk) 18:25, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Several files up for deletion

See Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2013 March 16 where several Vietnam related files are up for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 23:58, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

East Sea

The usage of East Sea is under discussion, see talk:East Sea -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 00:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Translation of Perfume River from Chinese characters

The Vietnamese words, Sông Hương have officially been translated as “Perfume River”. However, as cited in the Wikipedia article “PerfumeRiver”, the Hán nôm, Chinese characters (simplified 香江) or traditional 香河 mean “Fragrant River” [1]. The first character 香 is fragrant [2] and the second 河 river. The Chinese characters for perfume are 香水. Similarly Hong Kong 香港 was named the “fragrant harbor” [3].

References 1. Wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfume_River 2. Translate.google.com 3. Wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong Tfailmezge (talk) 14:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Hương means "incense...perfume, fragrency", according to VDict. "Perfume River" Hue Vietnam gets thousands of results on GBooks. Vietnam stopped using Chinese characters a long time ago. Kauffner (talk) 21:51, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Sterling Hall bombing proposed subpage merge

I recently proposed a merge that would return several subpages of the Sterling Hall bombing back into the article per the WP:CRIME subpage guideline. Since the page in question is part of the project, I thought I'd drop a note in case you're interested. (If it shouldn't be part of your project, you may want to remove the banner from its talk page.) czar · · 18:30, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Bắc thuộc

Bắc thuộc has been proposed to be renamed, see talk:Bắc thuộc -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 03:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

An Tu

Princess An Tu is up for renaming. See Talk:An Tu -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 09:27, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Unclaimed

FYI, I've created a stub article on a new documentary film Unclaimed about a Vietnam War MIA vet. Another editor has come along and starting posting links to some MIA groups are alleging he's a fraud. None of these allegations are reliably sourced -- so far, anyway. This article might benefit from some expert attention from editors used to working in this area. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

• The article has since been rewritten to reflect both possibilities in an NPOV and referenced manner. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Requested move discussions

FYI. There are two requested move discussions taking place (at Talk:Song Cong and Talk:Mac Tuyen Tong) relating to past moves made by User:TenMuses.--Labattblueboy (talk) 20:16, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Na Ri

The usage of Na Ri (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see Talk:Na Ry -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 04:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Li family and various homophonic family names, and various spellings

See Talk:Lì (chinese surname) for a mess regarding various Lee/Li surnames. -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 04:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Province naming

All but ten of the the 56 provinces of Vietnam (see {{Subdivisions of Vietnam}}), have full diacritics in the article title. I propose to submit move requests to insert the diacritics into those remaining ten, bringing them into line with consensus as I understand it. Any comments before I do that? Colonies Chris (talk) 22:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

There is a discussion going on about this proposal at Talk:Bac Ninh Province. Further contributions would be welcome. Colonies Chris (talk) 15:14, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

CJKV characters as disambiguatory terms in article naming

FYI, this may touch on the area of concern of your wikiproject's topic. See Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Inadequacy of current WP:UE guideline with regard to Chinese names -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:18, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Hoàng Danh Ngọc

Is this soccer (footballer) notable? I am having trouble assessing search results in Vietnamese. Candleabracadabra (talk) 22:09, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

HuynhTanPhat.jpg

image:HuynhTanPhat.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:30, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Move of Vietnam in World War II

This has been moved to French Indochina in World War II for consistency with other historical articles. Makes sense to me but people may like to have a look. Itsmejudith (talk) 06:45, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Personally I would like to see Ba Dinh Square and DRV Declaration of Independence 2nd September 1945 discussed and searchable on Wiki Indexing. Ho Chi Minh moved 2 days early because he was tipped off the Allies were going to conveniently forget FDR's Cairo Convention promise that "all allies who helped the Allied cause of war must have a right to referendum to decide if they want independence, stay with mother countries or join another in union". OK Truman in Potsdam Convention after FDR conveniently died, forgot Ho Chi Min and General Vo Nguyen Giap (who 2013 died aged 102 years) as the then Viet-minh of North Vietnam had constantly aided the allies ~ rescuing downed airmen and delivering to afe allied hands in China and Laos. Had even allowed an OSS (Former CIA) Radio Operator take up residency in their Jungle base to feed intelligence of Japanese Invasion Forces activities in the former French Indochina protectorate of North Vietnam then called the Tonkin Vietnam Nation or Province I am unsure.

American Wikipedia editors appear to have deleted all reference to these facts as no search I do could find them and all I wanted was the date of the Ba Dinh Square declaration of DRV independence at end of WW II. Truman had decided we didn't want Communist prone Uncle Ho (I feel sure new comer president Truman weas hearing General Eisenhower De Gaull kissing plea of "Dominos" or "tiddly winks"? --111.91.234.194 (talk) 02:10, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Lê dynasty emperors RM

I have put in a multi-RM for most of the Lê and other emperors at Talk:Le Thai Tong. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:27, 25 August 2013 (UTC) ‎

RfC relating to Vietnamese geo article titles

You may wish to be informed of Talk:Gia Bình District#RfC: Should non-exonym Vietnam geo article titles have Vietnamese alphabet spellings?. Thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

{{Countries and territories of Southeast Asia}}

Template:Countries and territories of Southeast Asia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 10:29, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

RfC closed

Wikipedia Talk:Naming conventions (Vietnamese) closed. I removed the controversial 1-person material regarding diacritics entirely leaving no comment for or against. Also added that D and P are used for District and Province, which I believe is correct but would like more input. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

VietnamVolleyballlogo1.jpg

File:VietnamVolleyballlogo1.jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.244.158 (talk) 07:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

VietnamVolleyballlogo.png

File:VietnamVolleyballlogo.png (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.244.158 (talk) 07:52, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

National Order of Vietnam

Category:Grand Crosses of the National Order of Vietnam has been nominated for deletion and Category:Grand Officers of the National Order of Vietnam has been nomianted for merger -- 70.24.244.158 (talk) 06:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Vietnamese place name in lead?

Should we also give the Vietnamese place name after the English in Vietnamese War articles? Example

The Battle of Suoi Chau Pha (Vietnamese: suối Châu Pha) on 6 August 1967 was fought during the Vietnam War...

In ictu oculi (talk) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Deer Gun - Vietnam Pistol.jpg

image:Deer Gun - Vietnam Pistol.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.244.158 (talk) 08:55, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Moi people

For a discussion of whether there should be a link from the Moi disambiguation page to the Degar people (Montagnards) article, see Talk:Degar#Redirect from Moi tribe ?. --Bejnar (talk) 19:45, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Peer review of Da Nang

Hi there, I've requested a peer review of Da Nang after seeing someone give it a drive-by assessment of A-Class. I figure it wouldn't hurt to get some ideas on how to improve it. Feel free to give it a shot if you have the time! --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 19:42, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

It's not GA class yet, that comes before A class. It needs a lot of work with the sourcing and lower sections in particular.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:33, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Requested tasks

Can anyone think of a better way for us to organize/process requested tasks? There are a bunch of links in there that I'm fairly sure haven't been touched in years. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 14:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Dragfyre well that's a editor depletion issue. A better relationship with vi.wp and more encouragement to come across might help? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:05, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Vietnamese language

Is there anyone here speaking vietnamese? These guys are quite hard to find...--Antemister (talk) 14:39, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, what do you need? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

English exonyms for place names

English_exonyms#Vietnam. Can someone check this please. See also article Talk. Many thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone with this project have any issues with this edit? Thanks. Dohn joe (talk) 19:54, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

From the top of the page: "For a toponym to be defined as an exonym, there must exist a minimum degree of difference between it and the corresponding endonym... The omission of diacritical marks usually does not turn an endonym into an exonym: Sao Paulo (for São Paulo); Malaga (for Málaga) or Amman (for 'Ammān) are not considered exonyms. Well, does that mean Hanoi is simply a toponym that does not belong on an exonym list? Also, why are there French exonyms on an English exonym page?(talk) 03:42, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi

Ha Noi -> Hanoi is two characters converged into one word. So according to the UN working group it is an exonym.

During the French colonial period names such as "Tourane" also occur in English sources. Justin Corfield The History of Vietnam 2008 p.20. "Rigault de Genouilly, to attack and capture Tourane and to use it as a French naval base." In ictu oculi (talk)

Fair points. I guess the French exonyms confused me at first, but like you say, they are English exonyms that have French origins. yellowtailshark (talk) 06:22, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Giao Hoang

"Ông của ông Ngô Thế Linh đã làm Tể Tướng Triều Ðình thời Vua Hàm Nghi" ... but otherwise no trace. Where does the name "Giao Hoang" come from? Is it a misunderstanding for pope, a nickname? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:13, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Who is "Prime Minister Giao Hoang"? Isn't that the Pope? In the beginning I thought the article was some joke :P Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 07:05, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

"Grandfather of Mr. Ngo The Linh was Chancellor Trieu Dinh during [the reign of] King Ham Nghi" - i see no Giao Hoang. Hehe "Prime Minister Giao Hoang"! Sorry i'm not laughing at you, it's just funny Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 07:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Now i really do think yellowmonkey is crazy, seriously, atop of abusing his admin position to push his "referenced POV" campaign in VN War-related articles. I don't think it's a real name or nickname at all - if Trieu Dinh was Buddhist, I see no reason why he would want to call himself "[Catholic] religion-king" (pope), if he was Catholic, I don't think he would want to create unnecessary discontent/tension with the Catholic Church, nor upset the French colonial occupiers in an unnecessary and, weird, way. Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 07:44, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

The article is unsourced and for all I know the person never existed, but note that the article was created in 2005 when we were only just starting to create articles on VN history. Itsmejudith (talk) 17:39, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Nguyễn Quốc Việt Itsmejudith. Yes. I think we should redirect rather than AfD it. I don't doubt there was a Tể Tướng at the Triều Ðình at this period, and have copied the "claim" of tripod family history into footnotes at Ngô Thế Linh, so nothing will be lost if it is redirected to Ngô Thế Linh if a real name (not Giao Hoang) and bio data eventually emerges it could be repaired. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:41, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

on the other hand such a redirect should really redirect to the pope. Got another unsourced bio at Vu Cong. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:06, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Redirect to Pope might not be the best option because we don't have articles on "Pope" in every language. It's going to be pretty rare as a search string. Can we do Ngô Thế Linh in the first instance. Itsmejudith (talk) 12:13, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

By the way I didn't mean to mess up an earlier comment. It was pure error, now thankfully corrected. Itsmejudith (talk) 16:10, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Request for PR

I recently failed the GA nomination of the article Malaysia–Vietnam relations (review here: Talk:Malaysia–Vietnam_relations/GA1), and the author, Mr Tan, has asked for feedback using the peer review system (here: Wikipedia:Peer_review/Malaysia–Vietnam_relations/archive1). The review has been archived without comment. Whether you agree or disagree with my comments during nomination, both I and Mr. Tan would be very grateful for some relevant comments from this WP to help improve the article's quality, whether on the archived PR page, the article's talk page, or his talk page. Kind regards, --LT910001 (talk) 11:14, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Nam Kỳ Lục tỉnh

This article has been pasted in from vi:wiki and is in the pages in need of translation. I'm not sure whether we need it. If it is just another name for the area that became the French colony of Cochinchina, then perhaps it should become a redirect. Itsmejudith (talk) 08:43, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Change mind - well it's separate in Vietnamese sources. Maybe a brief lead? In ictu oculi (talk) 10:32, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Vietnamese pop music

I added redirects from Vietnamese pop and Vietnamese pop music to Vietnamese music#Pop music. Eventually I think one of these redirects should be expanded to a full article about history of pop music in Vietnam, mentioning prominent artists like Luong Bich Huu, Bao Thy and Khoi My, not forgetting any of the male artists, or groups primarily focusing on pop music. Monni (talk) 13:18, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Should it redirect to V-pop? yellowtailshark (talk) 06:34, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

It's one option, the other is Popular music of Vietnam. Kind of confusing, I would say... Monni (talk) 11:11, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

We don't want readers to be confused, so we need to think about these articles logically. Music of Vietnam is the parent article. I believe that redirects to whole articles are preferred, rather than redirects to sections within articles. I would expect Popular music of Vietnam to encompass everything modern (not folk, not classical), including the singer-songwriters, rock-and-roll, rock, and V-Pop. "Pop" is just short for "popular". Then V-Pop is a subset of "popular music". Does that help? Itsmejudith (talk) 14:37, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

As I see it, I'm not completely sure "Vietnamese Pop Music" is only V-pop, because in V-pop it clearly states it is modern style of pop music. Not all "Popular Music" is "Pop Music" either... Always makes me shiver when I think of songs like "Biển Xanh" by Trish Thuy Trang, which is clearly old style music (calypso to be clear), but it still falls under "Vietnamese Pop Music". Monni (talk) 17:59, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I think the redirects should definitely go to Popular music of Vietnam. Then there are some other things that could usefully be done. Music of Vietnam is quite informative on traditional Vietnamese music but it needs a section on jazz and another on Western classical music in Vietnam. Popular music of Vietnam should be structured as I said in my previous post. V-popl needs to have only the post-1990s music. Itsmejudith (talk) 18:16, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I changed the redirects to Popular music of Vietnam... I'll leave the expanding of articles to someone who has better knowledge of jazz or classical music. Monni (talk) 18:25, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Paris By Prods and AFD

Paris By Night 100 Paris By Night 101 Paris By Night 102 Paris By Night 103 Paris By Night 105 have all been prodded on the basis of an old AfD for one of the programs - and AFD that was poorly attended. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:04, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paris By Night 105

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paris By Night 106 In ictu oculi (talk) 04:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

• Hate to say, but seems like the whole set of PBN articles need a lot more TLC to survive AFD... There's going to be mass delete (and redirect to main article) of them unless we figure out how to assert that each episode individually meets requirements of WP:GNG. Monni (talk) 21:21, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

User:Monni95, mm. The problem is that Vietnamese newspaper sources rarely mention specific shows http://vietbao.com/D_1-2_2-282_4-95251/ given that the transmission of shows is via DVD and cable - but can we not argue per WP:Worldview that each show is as culturally significant as 125th episode of a Star Trek spinoff? In ictu oculi (talk) 20:50, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

For me, an episode is significant if it features enough songs that meet requirements for an own article. Just featuring enough notable artists isn't enough, unless it is artists first (debut) public performance or last (before retiring or dying) public performance. Monni (talk) 16:26, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I think almost any episode would feature enough (a) songs (b) performers, to qualify. We say "Notability is not inherited" but there's an inverse situation where the Paris By Night shows are performing the function of notability in the absence of song and album articles, or free access on Vietnam's domestic TV and radio. I wouldn't like to claim that Paris by Night is some kind of ark of South Vietnam culture, but the fact remains that this is an abnormal circumstance different to having articles on US song shows that feature US songs and artists which have their own album articles. These shows should be treated as very-large-albums of a notable super-group of artist. To do otherwise goes against WP:WORLDVIEW for the sake of form "these aren't albums" etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:16, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Request undeletion?

• As a related issue I would be inclined to request undeletion of the article Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paris By Night 106 which was deleted and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paris By Night 70 so we can look at it. These were barely attended AfDs by editors who didn't raise or address the difference in notability caused by the circumstances of Vietnam's popular music since 1975. Comments please? In ictu oculi (talk) 10:16, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

My to-do list (anyone is welcome to contribute, just contact me prior so I can improve the article as you go)

• Bánh bột lọc
• Tr. Ấp Chiến lược
• Translate full Vi. version of Lam Phương into English wiki, and add unaccented redirect
• Translate full Vi. version of Lê Dinh, and add unaccented redirect
• Expand QLU (i won't mention full article name yet because i don't need vandals and IP "chuyen gia but chien" trollers to run there and delete everything)
• Expand, improve the B5 article (won't mention full article name yet, they've done it before for 3 years already)(current version has the Passage to Freedom content too heavily)
• Expand Ngô Đình Diệm by transferring content from Vi wiki
• Translate Châu Kỳ from PBN 78
• Translate Ngụy Văn Thà
• " " Xây dựng các vùng kinh tế mới into the New Economic Zones program article
• Asia Entertainment (still surprised there's no article for this, however i won't be making individual articles for each show, too much effort)
• Create a Vietnam section in Hukou system (Hộ khẩu). They missed one major rationale for this program: the Communist regime wanted to limit and control the internal migration of people, to prevent mass migrations of dissidents to a given area who may start a popular uprising, and revolution, against the Party. They've clearly missed that.
• Translate Nam Lộc, Thanh Nga
• Expand Air Vietnam with Vi article. Create Terrorism in Vietnam (Khủng bố tại Việt Nam) from Vi wiki
• Translate Đại lộ Kinh Hoàng
• " " Hội nghị Diên Hồng
• Translate various sections of Biểu tình tại Việt Nam
• " " https://vi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tuy%C3%AAn_truy%E1%BB%81n_vi%C3%AAn_tr%C3%AAn_m%E1%BA%A1ng&action=history
• Nguyễn Tất Nhiên and his famous poem "Tính tình con gái 3 miền"

Tính tình con gái 3 miền

Con gái Bắc

Em nhớ giữ tính tình con gái Bắc

Nhớ điêu ngoa nhưng giả bộ ngoan hiền

Nhớ dịu dàng nhưng thâm ý khoe khoang

Nhớ duyên dáng, ngây thơ… mà xảo quyệt

Con gái Trung

Em nhớ giữ tính tình người Trung nhé

Nhớ hững hờ nhưng tranh đấu nội tâm

Nhớ vui tươi nhưng đau khổ âm thầm

Nhớ kín đáo đoan trang mà lãng mạn.

Con gái Nam

Em nhớ giữ tánh tình người Nam nhé

Nhớ lanh chanh nhưng rất thiệt thà

Nhớ nhiều lời nhưng không biết điêu ngoa

Nhớ đanh đá, kiêu căng mà tốt bụng.

User:Nguyễn Quốc Việt, kudos, this seems like a set of valuable additions to the encyclopedia. I have started a small stub on Ngụy Văn Thà. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

There actually was article for Asia Entertainment but it was deleted because no-one had time to fix issues it had. Monni (talk) 19:13, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Vietnamese people article infobox

Hi everyone. There's several things noted from the article's infobox that we me should want to improve, in regards of the pictures and names of famous Vietnamese listed there:

1. 1. Should we add more famous Vietnamese to the ones already shown in the infobox? Like increase to (W X H) 3 x 4, 4 x 4?
2. 2. If increased, who else should we add?
3. 3. Currently there's too many political figures (7 of 9) in the infobox, and there's almost no representation of renowned Vietnamese in other fields such as the sciences and academia, culture, business, Overseas Vietnamese etc. Shouldn't we have greater representation of these people? For example, the infoboxes in Han Chinese, Koreans have a diversity of famous Han Chinese and Koreans across different professions/field, locations (domestic and overseas), and time periods, and are good examples. Readers are going to think what else has the Vietnamese people accomplished other than politics...
4. 4. Having Ho Chi Minh in the infobox is objectionable. Considering Ho Chi Minh is a highly controversial historical figure and not reflective of all (or even most) Vietnamese, which the infobox should be achieving, he shouldn't be in there. Consider these other controversial, objectionable figures, most are well-known in the West. Is Mao Zedong (Mao Trach Dong), Jiang Zemin, Deng Xiaoping in the Han Chinese infobox? Is Kim Jong-Un, Kim Jong-Il, and Kim Il-Sung in the ethnic Koreans article? Is Pol Pot in the Khmer people article? Is Hitler, Erich Honecker, Nicolae Ceausescu in the ethnic Germans and Romanians articles? Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 06:33, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Well I would rather not have any of these infoboxes than have arguments about who should and shouldn't be in there. I don't really see what they are for, anyway. Itsmejudith (talk) 12:03, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Yup, had this conversation for the Asian American infobox, and it didn't feel very productive. But this infobox is not going to go away, so... I'll just chime in where I feel my suggestions aren't going to be cannon fodder for revert wars. I'd recommend adding Pham Duy, Trinh Cong Son for culture. Pham Tuan as the first Asian (outside of Russia) in space. Maybe Le Loi. I mean, think about who Vietnam name streets after too. For religion, Ngô Văn Chiêu, the first disciple of Caodaism would be interesting, since Caodaism is founded in Vietnam. yellowtailshark (talk) 23:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I'd support adding these people and keeping Ho Chi Minh in. I'd also support adding Vo Nguyen Giap. Having someone in the info box doesn't imply at all that we endorse their actions or viewpoints. The other articles' info boxes have to be discussed on their own talk pages. Itsmejudith (talk) 12:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Issue at hand is that the infobox should have people which are diverse (in profession, region etc...), and are acceptable by almost all Vietnamese, not people who are controversial (ie loved by some and hated by others), and figures who are divisive. I'd rather not have any pro-North Vietnamese/pro-communist figures and no pro-South Vietnamese/anti-communist figures in the infobox. A recent mini-edit war had a prominent Viet-Swiss EU scientist being dumped for Ho Chi Minh, and famous songwriter and composer Pham Duy dumped for some imperial poet and politician, and even Tran Hung Dao was dumped. There's editors on Wikipedia, unfortunately, trying to push their POV in ridiculously small-minded, subtle and unmeaningful ways, e.g. warring over wording and diction, changing pictures and picture arrangement to their favor, moving content around into the order they like etc., and so far I've encountered 5 editors who actually do this (I can name them but I refuse). It's ridiculous, absurd and juvenile, but unfortunately there's editors like that. Worse, of that 5, 3 troll my activity and edit war in articles I touch. Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 00:10, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't feel too strongly about this, and would like to take the discussion back to the general point: what is the infobox actually for? I really don't know. Is it so that we can see what Vietnamese people look like? Is it so that people can see the diverse things that Vietnamese people have done? Is it to make people proud of their identity? Itsmejudith (talk) 14:10, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

To WPVietnam editors, please help with any Vietnamese and/or Chinese sources for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is missing and has likely crashed. If anyone wishes, help with Vietnamese sources in the future will be appreciated. I do not know how many editors are Viet Hoa and/or how many are ethnic Chinese in/out of Vietnam who also know Mandarin. If so, Chinese sources would be helpful too since the flight was bound for Beijing and most passengers were Chinese. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:04, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thuyet Buon Vua and Linh Nga

Hello WP:Vietnam. Any help by editors fluent in Vietnamese would be highly appreciated at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Thuyet_Buon_Vua_and_Linh_Nga.23Personal_life. Thank you. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 07:14, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

VNG (company) and VNG on wikipedia VietNam

Dear all who may concern! I'm now editing content for VNG page in Vietnamese and when I tend to edit it in English. I can't search it under the name "VNG" itself. Even thought it was the same company. So can someone in chart change it back to "VNG" only. Many thanks Nataliethaile (talk) 09:44, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Asked and answered on WP:AN. ansh666 08:03, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 31/03

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Pham The Tung. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:44, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

South Vietnam Central Intelligence Office

What was the name of the South Vietnam "Central Intelligence Office" in vietnamese?--Antemister (talk) 07:31, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Phủ Đặc ủy Trung ương Tình báo Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 17:32, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I added to List of defunct intelligence agencies what I found in [4], p46. Please try to expand it/add vietnamese names.--Antemister (talk) 11:25, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Request for a Vietnamese reader to check over a source.

Hello, please can a Vietnamese reader take a look at the Vietnamese language source on Debbie van der Putten - a new editor removed this announcing it was "unreliable" but it doesn't appear so to me. I highly doubt he reads Vietnamese, and Google Translate won't touch the site with a bargepole (although I tested some sections of text from various pages and didn't really see anything to suggest unreliability.) If you can comment on Talk:Debbie van der Putten regarding the source, I'd be really grateful - I am using it solely as evidence that the subject is internationally recognised as a disabled model, rather than to support anything in-depth so unless it is super-ultra-blatantly unreliable, I don't see a problem with using it. (it came up on a Google News search, which I know doesn't prove much...) Anyway thank you so much in advance. Mabalu (talk) 11:47, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Little Vietnam/Hanoi/Saigon reorganizing

Given the existence of Little Vietnam, Little Hanoi, Little Saigon, Overseas Vietnamese and various pages of Vietnamese in specific countries (e.g. Vietnamese American, Vietnamese Australian, Vietnamese people in France, etc.), I've wanted to clean up the articles a bit. I began by consolidating and summarizing the list of named enclaves in the Little Vietnam/Hanoi/Saigon articles into a list User:Yellowtailshark/List of Vietnamese enclaves, cross-checking the sources and adding as much details for the citations as possible (the current citations in the existing articles are sparsely populated).

The Little Saigon article suffers from listing enclaves for which there is no citation on the name "Little Saigon" ever being used to reference the local enclave, or contains enclaves called "Little Vietnam"; I guess one can argue that Little Saigon has become a kind of noun to refer to any Vietnamese enclave regardless of political orientation, but I feel that is VERY presumptuous. In my vetted list, I made note of the places that lacked citable sources and put N/A for when I could not find usage via Google. While I could remove these non-cited listings, such as Atlanta, Georgia, I wonder if such information should be moved into the Vietnamese American article which can talk about specific enclaves in the United States. Or should there be a List of Vietnamese enclaves main article (as a corollary to Overseas Vietnamese) to allow for any enclave, regardless of name (or unnamed)? And if so, does this make the Little Vietnam/Hanoi articles mere Template:Refer lists (e.g. Arlington? (There might be enough content to talk about Little Saigon in general, but for sure not in the case of Little Vietnam and Little Hanoi). yellowtailshark (talk) 08:47, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Capitalising Vietnamese dynasties (again)

A recent discussion here ended with the decision to lower-case 'dynasty' in article titles for Chinese dynasties. I propose bringing consistency to Category:Vietnamese dynasties in the same way. Thoughts? Colonies Chris (talk) 13:54, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

• Support following this. Had no view before, but this tips it. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:56, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands

In light of recent developments and Vietnamese protests over the two archipelagos, would anyone like to update and expand on these sections in the Paracel Islands, Spratly Islands, Spratly Islands dispute and other relevant articles? Also the section about Vietnamese claims, eg. evidence, historical etc needs expansion. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.94.204.226 (talk) 06:07, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Vu Cong

Help. Can we get any sources confirming anything in this bio? In ictu oculi (talk) 10:59, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014

You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles within Category:LGBT in Asia may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! --Another Believer _(Talk) 21:14, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Vietnam At Wikimania 2014

Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

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Living people on EN wiki who are dead on other wikis

The following individuals who are in the scope of this project are showing to be alive on the English wiki, but deceased on another language wiki:

1. Hữu Mai: vi:Mất 2007
2. Nguyễn Văn Toàn: vi:Mất 2005

Please help to find reliable sources to confirm if these individuals are alive or dead, or correct any mis-categorization on the relevant foreign-language article(s). Please see WP:LIVINGDEAD for more info and raise any issues on the talkpage. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 09:04, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Names of Vietnam-related articles

Recently I have noticed that names of Vietnam-related articles do not go with each other. Some of them have stress marks on their head like in Vietnamese (such as Thái Bình, Vũng Tàu), while others don't have them (such as Ho Chi Minh City - Hồ Chí Minh City, or Da Nang - Đà Nẵng). I am trying to find a way to resolve this problem, but first I want to see your comments on this. Sincerely, Simon (talk) 10:20, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Last time this issue was discussed, it was mentioned that for places that have established English names, no accents are used on page titles in English Wikipedia... So cities like Ho Chi Minh City (Thành phố Hồ Chí Minh), Hanoi (Hà Nội), Da Nang or Danang (Đà Nẵng), accented version should be mentioned in article body only. For the same reason some city names are written without spaces. Monni (talk) 20:53, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Languages in censuses and Race and ethnicity in censuses

Pleas add information about this country to this articles.--Kaiyr (talk) 14:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Johnson South Reef Skirmish#Casualties and losses

I like your input. Is it proper to state: "Over 70 killed; Vietnamese figure: 3 killed and 74 missing" (like this [5]) in the infobox of the article or should the "over 70 killed" be combined. --Cold Season (talk) 02:14, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Three vietnamese flags

Have a look at the last photo at [6]. The left one is the national flag, the flag in the center might/should be the flag of the head of state, and the right one is ...? What does the caption tell?--Antemister (talk) 13:57, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

The caption indicated that it's the musketeers' flag. DHN (talk) 19:12, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Dương Dynasty (An Nam)

I cannot understand what the editor is saying. Any ideas? In ictu oculi (talk) 10:37, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

He's made a few edits to zh.wp so I'm assuming his native language is Chinese. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:44, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I think he's saying that the en.wiki article should follow the zh.wiki one, which is mistaken. Our en.wiki article is in poor shape. The bracketed (An Nam) is incorrect because brackets in article titles are used for disambiguation. Itsmejudith (talk) 11:16, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

V-League 1 fully or semi-professional?

I noted this AfD discussion, in which several participants referred to the rules regarding notability for football players, which include having played in a fully professional league. These leagues are listed at WP:FPL. Looking at the list, I see that no Vietnamese leagues are listed, not even V-League 1, which I had assumed was fully pro. Does this mean that no Vietnamese footballers will ever be considered notable enough for their own articles, barring those that have played outside Vietnam? Or is this just an oversight? Can anyone comment on V-League 1's professional status? --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 20:50, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

RFC: Ethnic minorities in the Philippines and Vietnam

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Territorial disputes in the South China Sea#Request for comment. Thanks. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:16, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Banners and other iconography for the project

We have had a discussion before about politics in talkpage banners and other pictures relating to this Wikiproject, and I believe the consensus is that we should have neutral banners that depict recognisable aspects of Vietnamese culture. But the current proposed banners reintroduce political themes and I think they should be removed. Project members are free to include such images on their own talk pages, but the project should remain welcoming and open to everyone who is interested in improving Vietnam-related articles. Itsmejudith (talk) 07:02, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Expert attention

This is a notice about Category:Vietnam articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 17:02, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Discussion on the No Original Research noticeboard

Members might be able to help out on this one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard#324th_Division_.28Vietnam.29

Itsmejudith (talk) 17:09, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!

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Harej (talk) 16:58, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Translate from Vietnamese Wikipedia

Are you can translate this Vietnamese Wikipedia article to this English Wikipedia article ? Has a become Featured Article in Vietnamese Wikipedia --Erik Fastman (talk) 06:25, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Binh Tai Massacre

I would like to know where Binh Tai village is. The article say the massacre occurred in Binh Tai village. However according to this source, The massacre occurred in Bình Trung village, Phước Bình District. Currently the article's map shows that Bin Tai village is located in Quảng Ngãi Province. Thanks in advance.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 22:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Vietnam and the Two-child policy

I am currently in a class at Rice University on Human Development and am looking to reorganize and expand the article on the two-child policy in Vietnam, modeling the structure of the article to reflect the Wikipedia article for China's One-child policy. Thus, I propose to organize the expansion of the section on Vietnam of the Two-child policy to be:

• 1 Overview
  • History
  • Administration
  • Current status
• 2 Effects
  • Reduction of the birthrate
  • Sex-based birth rate disparity
  • Twins sought
  • Potential social problems
  • Birth tourism
• 3 Criticism
  • Overstatement of the effect of the policy on birth reduction
  • Unequal enforcement
  • Accusations of human rights violations
  • Alleged effect on infanticide rates
• 4 Relaxation of policy

Appleangel11 (talk) 06:07, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Excellent outline. I assume Administration refers to the implementation and enforcement of the policy? yellowtailshark (talk) 16:51, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Category:Indochina

Category:Indochina has been nominated for deletion. It appears to be about Peninsular Southeast Asia -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 07:24, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Dien Sanh train crash

I've created the Dien Sanh train crash article. Assistance from editors who read Vietnamese is sought in expanding the article. Mjroots (talk) 08:06, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Vietnamese name for Empire of Vietnam?

Our article Empire of Vietnam currently includes in its lead the text "Vietnamese: Đế quốc Việt Nam; Hán tự: 越南帝國". I don't know the first ing about the Vietnamese language, but even I can tell that "Đế quốc Việt Nam" and "越南帝國" are the inverse of each other, as "越南" means Vietnam and "帝國" (read "di guo" in Mandarin, "tei koku" in Japanese, and so on) is clearly the Chinese character rendering of the word for "Empire" that in modern Vietnamese is apparently written as "Đế quốc".

I thought to check vi.wiki but those guys have the same problem.

Am I missing something? Is Hán tự supposed to just be the Classical Chinese spelling without regard for Vietnamese grammar?

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:37, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

As it turns out, the Chinese and Japanese Wikipedias both say what I expected them to: that the Vietnamese name for the topic is "Đế quốc Việt Nam／帝國越南". Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:50, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Vietnamese name for Empire of Vietnam?

Our article Empire of Vietnam currently includes in its lead the text "Vietnamese: Đế quốc Việt Nam; Hán tự: 越南帝國". I don't know the first ing about the Vietnamese language, but even I can tell that "Đế quốc Việt Nam" and "越南帝國" are the inverse of each other, as "越南" means Vietnam and "帝國" (read "di guo" in Mandarin, "tei koku" in Japanese, and so on) is clearly the Chinese character rendering of the word for "Empire" that in modern Vietnamese is apparently written as "Đế quốc".

I thought to check vi.wiki but those guys have the same problem.

Am I missing something? Is Hán tự supposed to just be the Classical Chinese spelling without regard for Vietnamese grammar?

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:37, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

As it turns out, the Chinese and Japanese Wikipedias both say what I expected them to: that the Vietnamese name for the topic is "Đế quốc Việt Nam／帝國越南". Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:50, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

French Indochina

Hello,

I am trying to find a cambodian translation for the official name of French Indochina. It actually had two official names, Indochinese union (1887-1941) and Indochinese federation (1941-1954). I found Liên bang Đông Dương but apparently that's just for Indochinese federation. Can anybody help me find the Vietnamese translation for the first one ? Thank you. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 07:49, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bình An/Tây Vinh massacre (2nd nomination)

An AfD discussion that may be relevant. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:44, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

RM notification 19 November 2024

Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Vietnam Air Force#Requested move 3 September 2016, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, — Sam Sailor 00:02, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

New article review

I created a talk topic in Wikiproject Korea regarding two new articles, South Korean rape of Vietnamese women and Serial Kidnapping of Korean Women in 1930's. Both may be of interest to this Wikiproject, too. Please feel free to comment there. Brianga (talk) 13:36, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Request for comments/feedback

Hi all,

My name is Brittany Lai, and I'm currently a second year university student. As part of a class assignment at my university, I am planning on making revisions to the article Women in Vietnam, which is a top-importance article in this WikiProject. Specifically, I plan on revamping the "Contemporary society influences" section of this article, and details of my plans and sources I have culminated so far can be found on the article's talk page, where I have included an annotated bibliography. Furthermore, additional information regarding what I plan to add can be found on my sandbox page. I look forward from hearing from you guys, and feel free to let me know if you have any questions or requests for additional information (such as an outline, etc.) Thank you! Brittany Lai (talk) 06:30, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Details of my rationale and a comprehensive plan and outline can also be found at this Google Doc. Brittany Lai (talk) 02:34, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to Women in Red's special November activities

November 2016
	Announcing two exiting online editathons Women in Food and Drink and Women Writers as well as our strong support for articles on women in connection with Wikipedia Asian Month Faciliated by Women in Red

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RfC at Talk:Vehicle registration plates of Vietnam

Please see the RFC and respond there. The article itself is unsourced, so any help is appreciated. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 06:57, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Annam

This new user has a history of changing various names for Vietnam, like Ðai Viet, into Annam, such as here and here. Are these actual corrections or is it POV pushing/historical revisionism? --HyperGaruda (talk) 10:39, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

HyperGaruda Interesting. I am not sure what to make of this. I just reverted one page move which was done without discussion. The editor seems to have done many such changes and there seems to be no reply on the talk page. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 14:49, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Phạm Đình Hổ

Please see Draft:Phạm Đình Hổ. The article creator has been blocked here. There are concerns about using Annam vs Vietnam. I have moved it to draftspace for further improvements. At the moment, there are no sources in the article. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:38, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Red bean soup split discussion

Please come participate in the discussion to determine if this article should be split into two or more articles. Thank you. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:30, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Private letter

I'm 81 years old and I'am a Vietnamese from former Saigon. I do have a website entitled Sachvatranh.com that has some 17000 pages of all kinds of literary articles, as well as useful daily life information. I wish to ask you to visit it and were you to be interested in its articles, please feel free to diffuse them on your site. Many thanks in advance. Trsnslator Vũ Anh Tuấn E-mail: Vat.kimthu@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.20.236.205 (talk) 01:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

vi:Truyện thần thoại Việt Nam

An editor has requested deletion of article as "Vietnam has no mythology", see discussion at Talk:Vietnamese mythology In ictu oculi (talk) 16:20, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

RM proposal

You are invited to the discussion at Talk:Cao_Bằng#Requested_move_1_March_2017. Timmyshin (talk) 21:13, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Editor needs help with translating sources

See edit history at Battle of Ap Bau Bang. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:36, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Requesting assistance on behalf of new editor

Please can someone take a look at the articles created by new contributor Nguyen dao? I am concerned that there is a lot of copy-pasting from sources, as per their edits to Le Chan which had to be deleted and hidden. They have gone on to create three more articles, Nguyen Khac Nhu, Nguyễn Huy Tự, and Nguyễn Hữu Cầu. Nguyen Khac Nhu certainly seems notable, but there are issues with sourcing, and I noticed that the editor copied and pasted text from a source again despite being warned about this before. The other two - particularly Nguyễn Hữu Cầu - do read like they have been copied from somewhere, or are at best direct translations from Vietnamese sources.

As I can't read a word of Vietnamese, I am asking here if someone would be prepared to take on this editor and try to help them understand how to edit Wikipedia, and perhaps help them with improving their articles and contributing correctly? Their subjects do seem notable, and I could see enough from a machine translation of the Vietnamese Wikipedia sources to confirm that there seem to be plenty of sources in Vietnamese for Nguyễn Hữu Cầu.

Thanks so much. Mabalu (talk) 10:15, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I just translate from the Vietnamese sources. I did some grammatical mistakes. I am fixing now Nguyen dao (talk) 15:09, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I will try and help a bit, as and when. These are notable. Itsmejudith (talk) 16:19, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Fantastic, thanks. I'll step back from these pages and leave it to you now. Mabalu (talk) 16:37, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I already updated some of them. Please let me know if they are still unacceptable. Nguyen dao (talk) 17:04, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Daikon split discussion

Please come participate in the split discussion regarding the Daikon article. Thank you. --Epulum (talk) 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Bình Tân District, Vĩnh Long

There is a mass requested move at Talk:Bình Tân District, Vĩnh Long that has not had much discussion. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:26, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Primacy discussed at Talk:Joint Communiqué

Hello. I opened the discussion at Talk:Joint Communiqué about the current title and primacy role of Joint Communiqué, an agreement between South Vietnam and Buddhist sect. --George Ho (talk) 00:49, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Rat-on-a-stick

Please, if someone reading this lives where this is sold, please take a photo for the article Rat-on-a-stick. Thanks, and bon appétit! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:49, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Vietnamese citation translation requested

I would greatly appreciate if someone could assist with this discussion. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:05, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Phạm Phước Hưng

Hi, would someone with more knowledge of Vietnamese names and wiki templates than me mind putting the right template at the top of Phạm Phước Hưng. Red Fiona (talk) 14:58, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Anyone care to the Youth Union page?

The page for Hi Chi Minh Youth Union appears to have been sabotaged.

In any case, it's anything but objective. I know nothing about it and came across it by accident. Would someone knowledgeable care to take a look?

Hủ tiếu

I am trying to get Hủ tiếu to it's own name space. I have had my redirects reverted to kuy teav (which is not the same thing). So I am asking if other editors to help out here. I think my edits are being reverted because Google has conflated these two dishes (this is due to the Wikipedia article). --Dara (talk) 15:03, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

The big problem with recipe articles is that they're often unreferenced or poorly referenced and can contain a great deal of original research. If you want to establish that kuy teav and hủ tiếu are not the same thing, you'll need to find some reliable sources that state that they are not the same thing. And if you want hủ tiếu to have its own article, you'll need to actually write the article. Replacing a redirect with an eight-word-long article is not enough for a stand-alone Wikipedia article. More than anything, that's probably why you're being reverted.

Why not try starting a new section on hủ tiếu in the kuy teav article? You could gradually develop it if you'd like, and include verifiable information about what makes the Vietnamese dish different from the Cambodian one. Saigoneer has an article on the origins of hủ tiếu, and the differences between it and kuy teav. Saigoneer is a blog, but they do seem to have an editorial process, so I'd say it's a little more reliable as a source. If you can find sources in Khmer or Vietnamese that discuss the differences between the two, you could also add them as a reference. To be fair, for every mention I was able to find that distinguished the two dishes, there was at least one more mention that called them basically the same. So you'll have to expect that not everyone will agree with creating a stand-alone article.

tl;dr: If you're trying to create a stand-alone article about hủ tiếu and people are reverting your changes, you need to spend some time researching the dish, writing more than a sentence about it, and backing up what you're writing with reliable sources. Maybe try creating a section on hủ tiếu in the kuy teav article first, and if you manage to get enough content, you can propose to spin it off to its own article. dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 17:58, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Saigon, Ho Chi Minh City

While I'm here, I'll note that User:Nguoimiennam has also created the strangely named article Saigon, Ho Chi Minh City. Cobblet (talk) 17:33, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Seems like WP:OR. Feel free to PROD and notify admins. It appears that this user is attempting to turn back the clock to before 1975. DHN (talk) 18:28, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Tân Thành District, Đồng Tháp

Can anyone confirm that there's a Tân Thành District in Đồng Tháp Province? There is a township called Tân Thành in Lai Vung District of the same province as well as townships Tân Thành A and Tân Thành B in Tân Hồng District which is also in Đồng Tháp Province; but I can't find any source online that suggests that any of these have been made into a new district. The only source cited by the article is the list of districts on Statoids that includes Tân Thạnh District, Long An Province and Tân Thành District, Bà Rịa - Vũng Tàu, but no Tân Thành District in Đồng Tháp Province. The "corresponding article" linked to on the Vietnamese Wikipedia is about the one in Bà Rịa-Vũng Tàu Province and I couldn't find any article on the Vietnamese Wikipedia about a Tân Thành District in Đồng Tháp Province or even mentioning such a district's existence. I notice the same user has made the same claim at w:fr:Tan Thanh, again without providing any sources. I will PROD the article unless someone can show this district actually exists. Cobblet (talk) 15:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

It's fictictious. There is only one district-level entity in Vietnam named Tân Thành, and it's not in Dong Thap. That article seems to have been copied from Lai Vung District. DHN (talk) 16:44, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm PRODing it now. Cobblet (talk) 17:28, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

The PROD was rejected and I have taken it to AfD. Cobblet (talk) 04:55, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Vietnam

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod ^talk 19:53, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Help expand Cannabis in Vietnam

Today I started a short article Cannabis in Vietnam, and I'd welcome any help in fleshing it out. The hits on GoogleBooks are heavily slanted towards coverage of US troops in the Vietnam War, so any help broadening to a more local view (especially if anyone can read Vietnamese sources) would be great. Thanks! Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 01:43, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia Workshop: Saigon Compass Hub

Hello everyone! Thought I'd let you know that I'm visiting Ho Chi Minh City tomorrow, and with the support of my friends organized a Wikipedia Workshop at the Saigon Compass Hub on Sunday, 4 February 2018. I have not prepared a Wikipedia meet-up page for this event, but you can RSVP through this Facebook event page. Looking forward to meeting some people from this project! — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 11:41, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Bánh mì etymology

At Bánh mì#Terminology we are told first that "the word bánh mì is derived from bánh (which can refer to many kinds of food, including bread) and mì (wheat)". Then we're told "The word is likely derived from the French 'pain de mie' meaning soft, white bread". Well, it isn't both! (I was pretty sure that "mì" means "noodles", though I suppose it could be a homonym. FWIW Google Translate gives "lúa mì" for "wheat", with "lúa" translating as "paddy".) I've raised this question at the article talk page, but since people seem to get few responses there I thought I'd see if anyone here can shed any light.

As long as I'm here: Feel free also to comment on my proposal to move Bánh mì to Banh mi. Largoplazo (talk) 16:26, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Đa Bang

Could someone look over this abandoned draft on a Vietnamese fortress and determine whether or not it is worth publishing. Thanks, Espresso Addict (talk) 04:18, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject

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Nguyễn Phi Hùng

Editors fluent in Vietnamese are invited to assess whether or not this topic is notable since English-language sources do not appear available: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nguyễn Phi Hùng. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 13:47, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Nguyễn Đắc Xuân

Could someone fluent in Vietnamese try to source and rewrite this article? Thanks, Sam Sailor 14:57, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Sources for Execution of Nguyễn Văn Lém

Nguyễn Ngọc Loan and Execution of Nguyễn Văn Lém both have problems with questionable sourcing. I removed a site called vietcatholic which is used as a source. The site was used as a citation to prove that the executed man had committed war crimes himself prior to his execution. Both articles have issues with sourcing and need expansion. I'd like people with more knowledge on the subject to review them.

• Talk:Execution_of_Nguyễn_Văn_Lém#Blatantly_biased_source
• Talk:Nguyễn_Ngọc_Loan#James_S._Robbins_as_a_source:

Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:16, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Cau Vang

Cau Vang ("Golden Bridge") seems to be making headlines. Project members are invited to help expand this newly-created article. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:34, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Sure, I'll try to flesh this one out a little. Thanks for the tip! dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 01:49, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Redirection of Han-Nom

Greetings! Would anyone mind to taking a look here? Talk:Han-Nom#Wrong redirection The page is protected but opinion is highly valued. KevinUp (talk) 15:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

RfC on election/referendum naming format

An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation)#Proposed change to election/referendum naming format. Cheers, Number 57 15:41, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Nguyen Quoc Cuong

Is Nguyễn Quốc Cường the ambassador to the U.S. (2011–2014), shown at List of ambassadors of Vietnam to the United States, or is this a different person? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:11, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Answering my own question, no, he is not the same person, according to viwiki: vi:Nguyễn_Quốc_Cường, which doesn't have a page for the Ambassador (born 1959, not 1952), either. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Hồ Trung Dũng

"Hồ Trung Dũng has released a new album entitled Saigon Feel co-produced with Võ Thiện Thanh. It took about six years to complete and has proven to be a hit in the Vietnamese music scene. Is this singer not notable? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC) Hồ Trung Dũng (1984) became known through Bước nhảy hoàn vũ (season 1), Bước nhảy hoàn vũ (season 2) and Cặp đôi hoàn hảo. Supposedly won HTV Award for the Most Favourite Male Singer, Green Wave Award for Most Promising Male Singer. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:05, 3 January 2019 (UTC)