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Introduction

The purpose of this discussion page is to select 50,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles.

Any article currently on this list may be challenged. The discussion is open to the following rules:

Voting count table (>60%)

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1. Before being closed, a Level 5 proposal must:
   1. Run for at least 15 days; AND
   2. Allow at least 7 days after the most recent vote; AND
   3. Have at least 4 participants.
2. For a proposal to be implemented on the Level 5 list:
   1. It must have over 60% support (see table); AND
   2. It must have at least 4 support votes !votes.
3. For proposed additions from August 2024 onwards, the nominator should list (and possibly link to) at least one potential section in the level 5 vital articles list for the article to be added to. Supporters can also help in this regard.

For reference, the following times apply for today:

• 15 days ago is: 09:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
• 7 days ago is: 09:41, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

The following link represent all current Level 5 Vital articles that are classified as Society subjects:

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Arts

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Everyday life

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Everyday life/Sports, games and recreation

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Philosophy and religion

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Culture

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Social studies

Add Caravan (Juan Tizol and Duke Ellington song) and Stardust (1927 song)

These two song are stated in the intro of jazz standard to be one of the most covered songs of all time. Admittedly, the “Stardust” article does a much better job explaining its vitality than “Caravan”’s article.

Support

1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:04, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Support --Makkool (talk) 21:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add An Essay on the Principle of Population

Thomas Malthus's magnum opus, continues to shape economic theory and social policy; from the decay of the English Poor Laws, to the works and ideas of important philosophers and economists, such as David Ricardo  4 and Adam Smith  3. His ideas, Malthusianism  5, that come from the book, explore the relationship between population growth and resources, has influenced debates on birth control, income distribution, and sustainable development. Malthus's insights remain relevant today, informing discussions on global challenges like climate change and poverty alleviation. The Blue Rider 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
2. V5 importance, although overlap with V5 Malthusianism is significant. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Rechtsstaat

The Rechtsstaat, originating in German Jurisprudence  4, embodies principles of legal certainty, equality before the law, and protection of individual rights. This principle depends on the Separation of powers  4, ensuring Judicial independence  5 and impartiality. It emphasizes the rule of law as a safeguard against arbitrary government actions, ensuring that legal processes are transparent, predictable, and fair. The doctrine has influenced constitutionalism and legal theory globally, contributing to the development of democratic governance and the protection of human rights in diverse countries

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 14:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Lebensraum

Lebensraum, a geopolitical concept coined by Friedrich Ratzel, that posits that territories are living organisms and, as so, need to expand in order to provide for their population. This idea was notably adopted and distorted by the Nazi Party during World War II to justify their aggressive expansionist policies. Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime used the concept of Lebensraum to justify their invasions and annexations of neighboring territories, particularly in Eastern Europe, under the pretext of securing land for the German people. This expansionist ideology was a key component of Nazi propaganda and played a significant role in shaping the course of World War II. The Blue Rider 17:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 21:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Social organization

"Collectivism" redirects here. I think collectivism should be listed at the same level as Individualism  5.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Personal development

A process that everyone goes through. Or is it too vague as a concept?

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Public good (economics)

There are three types of goods in economics, private goods, common goods and public goods. Public goods are of the interest of the state and are specially important in welfare states. They are also widely studied in the field of economics because they have a grand influence in the policies of a state; one must decide whether to allocate resources toward public goods provision through taxation and government spending or to leave their provision to the private sector, considering factors such as efficiency, equity, and the role of government in promoting societal welfare. The Blue Rider 15:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 15:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Since the other 2 are not listed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

1. Two wrongs don't make a right, plus public goods are the most immportant of them all. The Blue Rider 19:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

Swap Fraktur  5 with Blackletter

Fraktur is just one type of Blackletter typefaces. It is by far the most famous one, but the article also mentions that the term "Fraktur" is also used to refer to the entire Blackletter group of typefaces.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Film additions

Add Harakiri (1962 film)

In the removal discussion for The Human Condition (film series), I noted that film/series seemed less vital than Harakiri, a film by the same director, which has a 100% ranking on Rotten Tomatoes and is the highest ranked film on Letterboxd. It's also in the TSPDT top 1000.

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 00:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fantasia (1940 film)  5

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Considered a landmark in animated film, and one that continues to have a long-lasting legacy.

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. I mentioned in the now-archived thread to remove Wall-E that my top candidate for replacing it was Fantasia (1940 film) but it didn't get much traction. Hopefully, there is more support this time around. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
3. Disney animated films I feel are slightly underrepresented considering their enduring worldwide popularity, and I'd consider this (alongside Pinocchio) more vital than Beauty and the Beast (1991 film)  5.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 19:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
4. Absolutely. λ NegativeMP1 17:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
5. Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 01:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

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Add Nanook of the North

Hugely influential on the documentary film as a format, "It was the first feature-length documentary to achieve commercial success, proving the financial viability of the genre and inspiring many films to come".

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
2. Proved that documentaries could make money and was among the first films chosen for preservation by Congress. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 17:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I'm apt to oppose films that people who aren't extreme cinephiles typically haven't heard of. Also, I feel like, in general, it requires a much higher standard of notability to include documentaries on this list as documentaries are much less influential in the cultural zeitgeist than regular movies. If we are really looking to add another documentary, I would rather add Bowling for Columbine which has much more of a cultural legacy, is way more well-known, has won more awards (though this is less impressive when compared to a movie from 1922), and is regularly considered one of the greatest documentaries of all time. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

   I would support adding Bowling for Columbine as well. Iostn (talk) 23:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

Add Rome, Open City

"Open City is considered one of the most important and representative works of Italian neorealism  5, and an important stepping stone for Italian filmmaking as a whole."

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
2. --Thi (talk) 14:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
3. Subtopic of Bicycle Thieves. Interstellarity (talk) 17:55, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. We already have a better, much more famous representative for Italian neorealism with Bicycle Thieves  4. We probably don't need 2. And even with the expanded quota, our film section is so small that we should probably only be listing unambiguous classics or widely-known films. It doesn't even have a Legacy section. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

   I am explicitly proposing films because I think the section is disproprtionately small compared to video games (which is at ~100), when films have been around for much longer (1890s vs 1970s) and have built up much more cultural influence over time. Besides, Bicycle Thieves is listed a tier above this already. Iostn (talk) 18:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

   I agree that films should have more representation especially when compared to video games (I have a track record of complaining about how many video game articles we have), I just don't think this is anywhere close to being one of the best candidates. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

Add Get Out

Maybe recent(ist), but this has already risen as one of the most highly-regarded films of the 21st century, and has had an impact on "conscious" trends in film in recent years.

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
2. Support swap as discussed below. Interstellarity (talk) 17:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. We're over quota in Level 5. While we are still adding broadly relevant concepts like Voting  5, I can't support adding one-off films like this one. starship.paint 13:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

   VA5 is currently below quota, its only has 49,958 as of the latest update. Iostn (talk) 15:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

   But Arts is over-quota at 3,322/3,300. Currently specific films are at 199, and customarily we had at the number of vital films at 200. I would support your suggestions, if paired with films to swap. Makkool (talk) 16:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

   I was actually personally in favour of a higher quota for films, given we had one of 105 for video games which is a much more recent medium and therefore one with less titles that are as culturally influential, but I can propose some other removals from Arts. Iostn (talk) 19:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

   Jumping into this quite late but I would support removing video games in favor of adding more movies. I think our massive list of video game articles reflects the demographics of VA5 voters as opposed to all Wikipedia users whereas movies are a more global phenomenon. Aurangzebra (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

   @Iostn:, I stand corrected, I did not know about the recent update. Still, I agree with Makkool. starship.paint 08:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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Add Pather Panchali  5

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One of the most important films in the history of Indian cinema, which is also the largest in the world in terms of number of films produced.

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
2. --Thi (talk) 14:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
3. As far as I'm aware, we don't list a single Indian movie. We definitely should have one and this is probably the best candidate since Satyajit Ray  4 has been highly influential in global cinema. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

   There is The Apu Trilogy  4 at least.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 20:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

   Oh completely missed that. As the most famous movie in that trilogy, I'll still support this proposal. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

   And there's Sholay  5 and Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge  5 too. Makkool (talk) 20:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Shrek  5

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Arguably the biggest animated film of the 2000s, became a lasting cultural phenomenon and turned DreamWorks into one of the biggest animated film studios. Also note it being the first 21st century animated film in the National Film Registry.

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
2. Very culturally influential, for better or worse.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
3. Undoubtedly important. λ NegativeMP1 04:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
4. All of our Western animated films are from Disney or Pixar. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
5. Supporting just a few hours after the release date of Shrek 5 was announced. I think that may just help. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Koyaanisqatsi

For the "art film" subsection, this is one of the most well-known non-narrative essay films of its kind, is highly-acclaimed and also went on to influence works such as Baraka (film). Also highly notable for its score by Philip Glass  4, from the music section; "The music has become so popular that the Philip Glass Ensemble has toured the world, playing the music for Koyaanisqatsi live in front of the movie screen".

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Close Encounters of the Third Kind

Another one of the most influential science fiction films of all time.

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Ring (film)

Big landmark in the overseas influence of Japanese horror cinema, and can be considered a big part of the resurgence of Japanese pop cultural influence in the 1990s and early 2000s.

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Emerging adulthood and early adulthood

It’s a subtopic of young adulthood. Interstellarity (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Add Academic library and Research library

We list public library, but these kind of libraries is just as important. Interstellarity (talk) 23:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
2. per nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 05:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Competition climbing

Competition climbing is now a full Olympic sport and we have lots of BLPs that are Category:Competition climbers including other sub-articles for competition climbing. Bouldering  5 is one of the three disciplines of competition climbing, and is already VA5. Sport climbing  5 is another one of the three disciplines of competition climbing, and is also VA5. We should probably also have Speed climbing, the third discipline of competition climbing, at VA5 as well, but let us try to get competition climbing at VA5 first. Aszx5000 (talk) 21:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 21:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. (a necessary umbrella term) Makkool (talk) 11:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The specific forms of climbing might be vital, but the concept, not sport, of competition climbing is not. The Blue Rider 11:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

   Competition climbing is similar to the Sport of athletics  3 (i.e. the sport of climbing). Competition climbing is not the "concept" of climbing competitions, it is the actual sport of climbing competitions; the original governing body for competition was the International Council for Competition Climbing. Aszx5000 (talk) 09:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

Add Public finance

The management of government revenue, expenditures, and debt is a core area of government. Despite its name, this should squarely go into the State structure and administration section.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. In many large countries, public finance is almost half the economy. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add International Committee of the Red Cross

A part of International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement  3. The ICRC is a humanitarian organization with a significant impact to human rights globally and a three-time Nobel prize laureate. The oldest and most honored organization in the Red Cross.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Mingrelians

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Ethnic group and language of the Caucuses, pop ~400,000

Support

1. _pbp 18:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. There are far larger ethnic groups that are unlisted, and Culture is already highly over quota. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Iostn. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

1. Could you explain more why you would consider it a vital article? We are over-quota in the Culture section, so I would support a swap instead of a straight add. Makassar people has the lowest view-count of all peoples we list, which could be one contender. Makkool (talk) 05:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Head of government

Should be level 4 alongside head of state. Just as important as that article. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
4. λ NegativeMP1 19:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Add Semi-presidential republic

Another common type of government, which divides the powers between the president, prime-minister and a cabinet. The Blue Rider 16:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Good proposal. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

• @Interstellarity:, you might be interested in this proposal. The Blue Rider 16:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• @The Blue Rider: Thanks for proposing. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Add Indictment and Arraignment

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These two terms are important in the legal system. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

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Add World Trade Center (2001–present) and/or One World Trade Center

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These seem to be better additions than my nomination for the plot of land. Interstellarity (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Too recent to assess their vitality in architecture. Makkool (talk) 08:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
2. per Makkool. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Discussion

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Another batch of visual arts article removals

Swap Hardstone carving  5 with Trompe-l'œil

Replacing a minor form of art with another well known art concept.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
2. --Thi (talk) 21:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Remove Figure painting

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Any painting depicting the human figure. Only four interwikis and low view count. Could this be too vague concept to be vital?

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Sand art and play  5 or move to Everyday life

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Sand art and playing with sand are in the same article. Sand art is not vital, but making sand castles could be. Should we remove it or move under Play (activity)  3?

Support

1. Support remove as nom. Makkool (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose removal sand art is a tad niche but still somewhat widespread, plus the article including playing with sand I think it passes the threshold for vitality. The Blue Rider 11:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Ramones (album)

Not only critically acclaimed, it’s also extremely influential to Punk rock  4.

Support

1. 49p (talk) 06:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. λ NegativeMP1 06:25, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Educational institution

The category of schools and libraries. Interstellarity (talk) 12:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 05:06, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Swap Boston Red Sox  5 with Los Angeles Dodgers

When I first looked at the list of vital articles, I was surprised to see that the Red Sox were one of two MLB teams listed. Even I, a Red Sox fan, always thought the Dodgers and even the St. Louis Cardinals were more recognizable teams. Yeah, the Red Sox have the 2nd largest fan base in MLB, and that's probably why they're listed. They have more championships (9) than the Dodgers (7), but over half of them came before Warren G. Harding became president, whilst all of the Dodgers' titles have came since 1955. The Dodgers also have the slight edge in pageviews (https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=all-time&pages=Los_Angeles_Dodgers%7CBoston_Red_Sox) and also come from a bigger city. I feel like most people today outside of New England mainly knew the Red Sox for a curse that's been dead for 20 years, and you won't see the Chicago Cubs listed for their longer lasting and more well known curse. The point is, despite their smaller fanbase (still the 3rd most in MLB), all signs point to the Dodgers being the more recognizable team, and the one that's more deserving of a listing.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Oppose remove Red Sox, support add Dodgers. It's worth mentioning that I've proposed adding the Dodgers before [1] and so has @TonyTheTiger: [2] and both times it failed. I do believe we have room for the Dodgers since we have removed 8 other sports teams since the last time this was proposed. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Oppose removal, support addition per Aurangzebra. Interstellarity (talk) 18:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Oppose removal, support addition. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Add Investment fund

Common method of performing an Investment  4.

Support

1. As nom. B3251_(talk) 23:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Literature adds

Add Dresden Codex

Most important of the four surviving Maya codeces and the most important piece of non-fiction for Mesoamerica. For a long time thought to be the oldest surviving book written in the Americas.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
2. --Thi (talk) 21:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add First Folio

"It is considered one of the most influential books ever published", the only reliable source for 20 of Shakespeare's plays. If we think there is too much representation for Shakespeare in the Arts section, I suggest we swap one of the individual sonnets with this.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
2. --Thi (talk) 21:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Rodion Raskolnikov

A famous fictional character, the protagonist of Crime and Punishment. Has more interwikis (23) than Elizabeth Bennet  5 (17), which we already list.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Book of Common Prayer (1662)

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The liturgical book used in Anglican/Episcopal church since 1662. The article stresses its importance in that it "has influenced the English language, with its use alongside the King James Version of the Bible contributing to an increase in literacy from the 16th to the 20th century".

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 10:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Histoires ou contes du temps passé

Better known in English as Mother Goose Tales. A fairy tale collection by Charles Perrault  4 that includes many famous stories like Cinderella and Little Red Riding Hood.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 10:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Volunteering

This is a no-brainer. Every community has this. Interstellarity (talk) 00:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 02:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Another easy one. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 14:18, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Rag doll

Another easy add. From the article: "They are one of the oldest children's toys in existence"'

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Revolutionary opera, or alternatively one of the operas included in that category

Seems to me like Western bias is the only reason this hasn't already been identified as a VA, given the large influence in Chinese society. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Nonogram

Also known as picross or paint by number, a common type of puzzle that hasn't been listed. If stuff like the Sliding puzzle  5 can be listed, then so can this.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Cryptogram

Another common puzzle type (also a type of Cryptography  3) that's not been listed yet.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Note-taking

Everyone knows what this is. Very common, been around forever, useful in many fields, notably education and journalism. An easy add.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 16:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Vital for education at least Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Catharism

A heretical Christian movement from medieval Europe. Pretty famous events in history, and I'm surprised that it's not added yet. I think this could be listed in History, but we have other historical religions like Manichaeism  4 listed in Religion and philosophy, so I think this could go there as well.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Exchange (organized market)

We currently list Stock exchange  4 and Futures exchange  5, but we lack the general concept. This could be added as an umbrella topic for the latter two.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Flow (psychology)

We list Positive psychology  5, but not one of its most popular theories. Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi  5, who introduced flow theory is also already V5.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Another business and economics roundup, Part 2

Add Saving  5

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Income that is set aside for future use, and is typically held for contingencies. At the macroeconomic level, the level of savings is largely equated with Investment  4.

Support

1. As nominator. To economics. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Basic economic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:51, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fiat money

Currency that is not backed by a physical commodity, but is established as legal tender by the government. Basically, after the end of the Bretton Woods system  5, every national currency has worked this way.

Support

1. As nominator. To money. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Recession

The decline in activity across the economy lasting more than a few periods, visible in changes in GDP, income, employment, and production.

Support

1. As nominator. To economics. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
2. ...What!? We missed this one? I also noticed we don't even list Economic depression, so there is not an exclusion-due-to-overlap excuse in that regard.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Of course. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Obvious addition. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Foreign exchange reserves

Assets held by a central bank in foreign currencies. Used to back liabilities and monetary policy, such as managing exchange rates. An important marker of a country's stability.

Support

1. As nominator. To money. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
3. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:18, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Credit rating

Creditworthiness of a borrower, typically a government or corporation. Issued by credit rating agencies, (The "Big Three") which are quite powerful in their own right.

Support

1. As nominator. To banking and financing. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
3. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:18, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Tata Group

Founded by Jamshedji Tata  4, it is India’s largest business conglomerate and was the fourth-largest private employer in the world in 2022.

Support

1. As nominator. To companies. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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• @Tabu Makiadi: - per our new rule (#3), where in Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Politics_and_economics#Companies should this be listed? Also, are all of the other above proposals to be put in Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Politics_and_economics#Economics_2? starship.paint (RUN) 13:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
• @Starship.paint: I've added suggested places for the proposed additions. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Add Mansion

A type of house for rich people. Interstellarity (talk) 12:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Obvious addition. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 17:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Discussion

• @Interstellarity: FYI, per this new VIT5 rule you must list the proposed location in the VIT list of the nominated article. The Blue Rider 14:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
  • @Interstellarity and The Blue Rider: ^ pings do not work unless you type ~~~~ in a newly added line. starship.paint (RUN) 14:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
    • Ops, I forgot to sign. Thanks. The Blue Rider 14:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

      Thanks for telling me. I was unaware of that discussion. Proposed location: Residential buildings and housing units in Technology. Interstellarity (talk) 20:53, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Add Award and Trophy

Two basic concepts that don't need further explanation. Possibly put these under Accessories in Everyday life? If you have a better suggestion let me know.

Support

1. Both as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Team

Everyday concept. Typically related to organizational work.

Support

1. As nominator. To management.Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Maybe a little dicdef, but a basic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Chief executive officer

Also known as CEO, a basic business concept that hasn't been added yet. Could possibly be V4? Should be added to Business, either General or Business types.

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Probably not V4, given we don't even list Corporate title, although we probably need to add that (I don't know if there's another article that is vital that encompasses this). 49p (talk) 05:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Gym

Everyday facility. Common across the world.

Support

1. As nominator. To sports basics. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Obviously. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Basic add. Also important in education. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 02:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
5. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Camel (cigarette)

As proposed by The Blue Rider in the Marlboro proposal. A well known cigarette brand that is still widely recognized today. I personally feel like it's not the strongest add, but I think it's recognized enough that people will advocate for this (plus, it gave us Joe Camel). Also Top-importance in WikiProject Brands.

Support

1. Weak support as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Cigarettes in general are in decline, and this is not the strongest brand. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Mars Inc.

The biggest candy/confectionary company in the world. A manufacturer of several iconic candy brands, most notably M&M's and Snickers (sidenote: I think both of those should be VAs). 43 interwikis, an increasing number of daily pageviews (64.5 thousand the last 30 days).

Support

1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Would much rather add M&M's than the "40th largest private-held company in the United States". The Blue Rider 21:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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Makkool you cannot close this since the last comment was 3 days ago. The Blue Rider 16:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Swap Collingwood in for Carlton

In the Australian rules football section of the Sports teams and clubs, Collingwood after their premiership last year (2023) has the equal most premierships (with Carlton and Essendon), the clear outright most grand final appearances, and the largest supporter base, making them the most valuable brand in the AFL. If there is only to be one team listed, it should be Collingwood. HoleyFrijoles (talk) 21:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Cruelty to animals

More properly known as animal abuse. This has become increasingly recognized and condemned throughout the world.

Support

1. As nominator. To Social studies --> Society ---> Issues. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Basic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:26, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Humanitarian aid

Assistance provided to groups of people in distress, typically in response to emergencies or disasters.

Support

1. As nominator. To Social studies --> Society ---> Issues. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Basic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 05:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Santos FC, remove Paris Saint-Germain

I just noticed that @AirshipJungleman29: added in Santos FC and removed Paris Saint-Germain on April 5 without a vote. I'm going to revert these changes but presenting them here in case people are interested. Aurangzebra (talk) 00:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

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1. Oppose removing PSG, neutral on adding Santos. As mentioned in my PSG proposal, they do suffer a little from recency bias, but they're still the most successful French club, and they still have plenty of success prior to their 2011 takeover. As for Santos, I'd like to add a Brazilian club, but I'm not sure whether they or CR Flamengo are more successful, so somebody who knows Brazilian football/soccer better than I do should weigh in on this. One of those two should definitely be added though. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

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Remove some modern non-fiction books

Remove The Death and Life of Great American Cities  5

• 8 interwikis only. Lacks cross-cultural appeal. Most of the article is repeating content from the book. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. One of most influential American non-fiction books. Cross-cultural appeal isn't required for every vital book. Makkool (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per Makkool. Seminal text in urban planning and extremely influential in academic circles. Aurangzebra (talk) 19:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Mythology (book)  5

• Stub with 6 interwikis only. A book that tells the stories of some old myths. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
2. I am not convinced that this is a vital book. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Has an enduring reputation as a classic introductory text book. Makkool (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

   @Makkool: citation needed. starship.paint (RUN) 01:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

   Just going by what reads on the article. It's also part of The Greatest Books website's listing. Makkool (talk) 11:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

   825th greatest book of all time? Not very convincing. starship.paint (RUN) 12:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Orthodoxy (book)  5

• 7 interwikis only. Short article starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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1. A classic of Christian apologetics Makkool (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove A Study of History  5

• 14 interwikis. The article itself notes that the book and its ideas were not enduring and faded into "obscurity". starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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1. One of most influential history non-fiction books. Enduring reputation isn't required for every vital book, it's enough to have an impact on the time of publication. Makkool (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Dogs with jobs

Add Police dog

Also known as K-9, police dogs have a long history of serving law enforcement agencies around the world. They’ve been portrayed in countless movies and TV shows, and their historical contributions, like their role in World War II, are important. They continue to play a crucial role in public safety and are an essential part of modern law enforcement. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Absolutely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
5. for sureGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Sled dog

Easily one of the most cultural influential trained dogs, every child dreams of being pushed by sled dogs. Also important for many circumpolar peoples, such as Inuit  4, for the Arctic exploration  5, Klondike Gold Rush  5, etc. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
5. Yep GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Guide dog

Dogs that help people with Visual impairment  4; widespread with a considerable societal influence, vital. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 01:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
5. Without a doubtGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Swap YuYu Hakusho  5 with Hunter x Hunter

Both manga series are by Yoshihiro Togashi. Hunter × Hunter receives more daily page views on Wikipedia than YuYu Hakusho (3901 vs 959 on average). Hunter × Hunter has sold more volumes than YuYu Hakusho (84 million vs. 78 million). Hunter × Hunter has received more critical praise than YuYu Hakusho, especially the Hunter × Hunter 2011 anime series. Wzrd517 (talk) 01:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. Wzrd517 (talk) 02:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 08:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

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1. Oppose swap, support adding Hunter X Hunter though. I think both are pretty significant to the development of Manga and Anime overall.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add First-past-the-post voting

Common voting system. Add under "Election".

Support

1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Sadly common still, and a contentious political topic in many different countries Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. With Electoral system  5 only being at V5, I'm not convinced that specific voting systems have a place here. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Party-list proportional representation

Common voting system. Add under "Election".

Support

As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. With Electoral system  5 only being at V5, I'm not convinced that specific voting systems have a place here. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Who Framed Roger Rabbit

Used to be listed, but was removed without discussion. Iconic blockbuster film, famed for its groundbreaking special effects, and a catalyst for the Disney Renaissance  5. I think it's more important than e.g. Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (film)  5.

Goes under WP:Vital_articles/Level/5/Arts#Animation.

Support

1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
2. I was about to list this a while back but saw it was apparently removed. Surprising, I did not know it was without consensus. Easily one of the most important film in the golden age of American animation. 49p (talk) 02:18, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

   The golden age of animation was in the earlyish-to-mid 1900s (chiefly 1930s and 1940s) when huge technical advances were made, Roger Rabbit came decades after that (but was set during the era). (As an aside, the WP:COMMONNAME as far as I've seen really is without the "American" part, Wikipedia doesn't specify "European Renaissance" either.)--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

   Yeah, I meant one of the most important films of modern animation, not golden age (while it's set in it), my bad. More accurately, I would say it came out at the end of the "dark age" era but paved the way for the modern era. Either way, the film's influence can't really be understated. 49p (talk) 15:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

3. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:27, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

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1. If it was removed without discussion, we should add it back and this should be a deletion proposal on behalf of the remover assuming good faith. Aurangzebra (talk) 15:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

   To clarify, it happened years ago in VA5's WP:BRD era.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Add Berserk (manga)

Berserk is one of the most influential works in the dark fantasy genre and has influenced a large number of works in a variety of media. It is one of the best-selling manga and has been critically praised. Wzrd517 (talk) 01:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. Wzrd517 (talk) 01:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
2. This is the next work in the animanga sphere I thought to nominate if The Rose of Versailles failed to be added.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:12, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Do it yourself

A common method many individuals take. Not sure if this is already covered with another topic, but I saw this wasn't listed and decided to put it up.

Support

1. Not sure where to specifically put it but it should go somewhere in Arts 49p (talk) 03:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Big Mac

One of the world's most globally-available branded products and an icon of capitalism. Place under Hamburger  4 in the Everyday life section.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
2. One of the word's most recognisiable brands and has been for decades. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
3. The most well-known food from a restaurant ever. Now is Whopper too obscure to be added? We don't list Burger King so I'm afraid the answer is yes. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Ice climbing

We have Mountaineering  4 and Rock climbing  4 at level 4 and the sub-branches of Sport climbing  5 and Bouldering  5 at level 5. I think that Ice climbing is also a level 5 (and has its own sub-branches of Mixed climbing and Dry-tooling). Ice climbing appears on 31 different Wikipedia platforms which is also another rough proxy to its vitality imho. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Definitely, since all those other types of climbing are already listed. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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Remove List of rice dishes  5

A long and detailed list, but I don't think we really need it as a vital article, as Cooked rice  5 is already listed separately, and that article also contains a list of rice dishes.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 08:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
2. There are very few actually vital lists, and this is not one of them. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:29, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fate/stay night

We don't have any representation for Visual novel  5 games on this list, which are a popular video game genre. And this game makes the most sense to add for representation purposes, as according to its article, its the most impactful visual novel game and has spawned a successful media franchise. It's also been brought up in the past, but simply not proposed until now. Would go under "Japanese products" in the Video games section.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 02:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Thought about nominating this myself (but intended to wait first for the proposals for Who framed Roger Rabbit and Berserk pass as I personally think those are of slightly higher priority, and with a swap against Breath of the Wild). Not even a fan but this would be the most prominent VN by most reasonable measures - overall the most-viewed in Category:Visual novels, used to have the highest "popularity" rating on vndb.org (before the site got rid of the stat), spawned a multi-billion franchise. Plus, it's an actual visual novel, unlike other important titles like Ace Attorney and YU-NO which are better categorised as adventure games (that genre being already well-represented).--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Per above. Seems like a big enough franchise. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Assisted living and Independent living

Maybe place under Disability in issues, plenty of people are in these living situations. Interstellarity (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Add transport companies

Add Mediterranean Shipping Company

The world's largest container shipping company. Not so well-known, but I'm still thinking it's vital enough to include. Currently we don't list any naval transport companies.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add FedEx  5

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Very important transportation company. We already list UPS, and there's no question that FedEx is as vital as they are.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Definitely, especially considering we have FedEx Express listed and not this. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
   1. Support a swap with FedEx Express. We list quite a lot airlines. Makkool (talk) 11:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
4. Should we swap this with Express or no? Either way, per nom 49p (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
5. Swap with FedEx Express. Interstellarity (talk) 22:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
6. Swap with FedEx Express. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add DHL Group

Third largest courier company after UPS and FedEx. Should be listed as well to represent Europe.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
3. 49p (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Royal Mail and Post Office Limited

Major postal companies in the UK. Since this is the English Wikipedia, listing UK companies seems sensible.

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Support Royal Mail Makkool (talk) 06:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Support Royal Mail only Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. We should list Post office first. And even then, I think these two are too niche, even by British (let alone European) standards. Among British companies, something like Arm Holdings, or something from the FTSE 100, is much more unique/notable in the global context. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Discussion

Remove Constructive trust  5, Discretionary trust  5, Estate in land  5, and Future interest  5

Lesser concepts in Property and Trust law. Some are too exclusive to the Anglo world. Very few pageviews and interwikis, and are covered by more general articles.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Support all Makkool (talk) 06:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Strategy

A major part of warfare and business management. Place under Politics and economics > War and military > Basics?

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Of course. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Cheondoism

Influential as a New religious movement  3 in 19th and 20th century Korea, and one of the satellite parties in North Korea (of which only two exist) was created specifically to represent them. Maybe less influential today, but it still has tens of thousands of adherents in the South alone.

Support

1. As nom Iostn (talk) 16:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Add Planning

A major process in daily life, business and government. Place under Thought  3 in Social studies?

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Of course. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Post office

It's obviously vital or obvious reasons. Interstellarity (talk) 13:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Of course. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
3. notable omission. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Add Arm Holdings

Major CPU company in GB. Interstellarity (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Add Toy soldier

A classic toy, certainly should be considered vital. Covers both tin soldier and army men, which got recently removed.

Support

1. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Remove Deadwood (TV series)  5

This show was very popular and won some awards. With that in mind, I'm not seeing how it is particularly influential. It received some really good reception, but it doesn't seem to have had a broad impact like other shows we list, and it only lasted two years. The page it is on is way over the quota, and I think this is one of the articles that can go.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Doo-wop

This genre played a crucial role in shaping early rock and roll, as well as being one of the earliest pop styles of vocal harmony groups. Often sung by "one-hit wonder" artists, which is why we don't list many here, they made many of the most celebrated songs of that era.

Support

1. As nominator. To popular music genres. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add I Want You Back

The quintessential Motown recording, at least as much as I Heard It Through the Grapevine  5. It has sold six million copies and has been praised as one of the greatest songs of all time. It's also the debut single of the Jackson 5, and as such it is MJ's introduction to the world.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:09, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 10:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Istanbul University

Turkey's premier university. Founded all the way back in 1453.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
2. In general there's a lot of US bias under universities that needs addressing (I have thought abour proposing many removals there as the subsection is way over quota already) Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Turkey is big enough for a university IMO, and to Iostn's point, I found a couple good removals for US universities. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Deconstruction

An important philosophical theory, related to Tabu Makiadi's previous proposal.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Demolition

A major part of Construction  3. Place under Construction in Business and economics (my first choice), or alternatively as a subtopic of Construction engineering  5.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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Rework the 20th century specific musical works

The section listing 20th century specific musical works is highly unrepresentative of 20th century western classical music. Of the 29 works listed, 16 were written before 1920 and only 4 after 1950, including Giazotto’s Adagio in G minor which is a musical scam (and could arguably be put in the Baroque section) and Karl Jenkins’ The Armed Man, which is of debatable historical importance. In addition, while atonality is a defining characteristic of a lot of classical music in this period, there is no atonal work on the list, including Cage’s 4’33’’ which doesn’t use any musical idiom. While the 20th century is full of very influent composers (59 level 5 articles), 4 composers (Debussy, Mahler, Rachmaninoff, Sibelius) have written 14 works on the list, which is almost half. While Debussy and Mahler are central figures of the evolution of musical language, Rachmaninoff and Sibelius (4 works on the list each), although important composers, shouldn’t be this overrepresented and account for a fourth of 20th century music. ThomEmilAlbe (talk) 17:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I suggest at least the following removals : The Armed Man, Csárdás (Monti), Finlandia, Symphony No. 2 (Rachmaninoff), Suite bergamasque, Piano Concerto No. 3 (Rachmaninoff), and at least the following additions : Pierrot lunaire, Music for 18 musicians, Violin Concerto (Berg), Le Marteau sans maître. ThomEmilAlbe (talk) 22:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Support - excellent points, the list would benefit from these changes Makkool (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose removing Suite bergamasque  5 (contains the world-famous Clair de lune which doesn't have a separate article) and Finlandia  5 (Sibelius's by far most famous and culturally impactful work, I'd rather remove one of his two listed symphonies), support adding Pierrot lunaire.
While I agree avant-garde music may need more representation, your addition suggestions are mostly more obscure than removals, with Pierrot lunaire by Arnold Schoenberg  4 a notable exception, plus Music for 18 musicians and Violin Concerto (Berg) have weak vitality claims. Lulu (opera) seems a more promising 12-tone composition addition than the violin concerto by the same composer. If we're struggling to remove 20th century works, other eras can perhaps be trimmed instead (I already proposed removing a less important Beethoven piece below.). Additonally, a few people's works dominating may be just natural due to Pareto distribution, although the VA project's non-overlap principle can justify counteracting this.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 12:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Lollipop

A common type of Candy  4. Place under Food types in Everyday life.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 05:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Very common. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Evangelism

We added televangelism, but regular evangelism should be included as well.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
2. I assumed this was already listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Course (food)

A class of dishes served as part of a meal. Includes Entrée  5, Main course  5, Side dish  5 and Dessert  4. Rated High-importance in Wikiproject Food and drink.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:27, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Model (person)

Includes fashion models, art models, and promotional models.

Support

1. As nom. To visual arts concepts. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:21, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Culturally significant. `feminist🩸 (talk) 07:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Yep. Just found this and thought I saw it somewhere. Sorry for pinging the comment elsewhere to add it.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Take Me Home, Country Roads

I don't think it's controversial to say that this is likely the most well known country song to ever exist. It has more interwikis than any country song at V5 (27) and is seemingly the most popular American song in some Asian countries like China. Keep in mind that country music's appeal outside of the United States is very limited, so this level of international recognition is quite impressive. I think this is an easy add.

Support

1. As nom. Add to the Country music section if successful (though I think that goes without saying). λ NegativeMP1 20:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Of course. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
3. per West Virginia Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Extremely popular. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
5. I think that this is a place it belongs. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 05:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove The Apprentice (American TV series)  5

Of the 264 TV series listed the US has 170, despite being long running and sucsessufl in its time the series has somewhat faded in obscurity. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom
2. Makkool (talk) 16:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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IDK, it does seem to be a major part of why Donald Trump  4 was able to become president, but it has virtually no impact outside of that. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Some squares

A Town square  5 is commonly one of the most, if not the most, visited places in a given city. Many public squares are culturally significant. We do list Red Square  5 but I'm not sure if we list anything else.

Which section should we list these? Red Square  5 is currently in Architecture, but we could move it to Cities, if we feel that to be the best places for squares. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Tiananmen Square

Tiananmen Square in Beijing  3 is where Mao Zedong proclaimed the founding of the People's Republic of China and is home to the National Museum of China  4. Globally, it is perhaps best known for the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre  4.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Although its most well-known for 1989 in the West, its significance to modern Chinese history goes back way before that Iostn (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Alexanderplatz

Alexanderplatz is reputedly the most visited area of Berlin  4 and one of the city's major commercial areas.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Tahrir Square

Famous for the 2011 Egyptian revolution  5. Note that Cairo  3 is at level 3.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Taksim Square (not OP)

Another famous square, major tourist attraction in Istanbul. Also known for protests back in 2013.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Trafalgar Square (not OP)

Surprising omission, iconic location.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Piccadilly Circus (not OP)

Can't see not including this along with Trafalgar Sq., as iconic as the other.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Times Square (not OP)

Another iconic location.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Around as important as Wall Street  5. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Swap National Pro Fastpitch  5 with Women's Professional Fastpitch

I came across that the US professional women's softball league has changed organizations recently. I feel we should swap this with the new league, even though it was founded only two years ago. I don't think keeping the old one is necessary, even for history's sake. There could be grounds for removal as well, because we are over-quota in this section, so I'll open that up also for discussion.

Support swap

1. as nom. Makkool (talk) 16:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose swap

Support remove

Discuss

Add Think tank

Outside of the U.S., these are better known as policy institutes. They are an important bridge between academic research and policymaking. Some of the most prominent ones are the Brookings Institution, Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, RAND Corporation, and Chatham House, among others.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Think thank are very important for social sciences, more specifically to economics and politics. The Blue Rider 21:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discussion

Add Chanson

French popular music genre encompassing around a thousand years.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discussion

Add Erotica

An art classification, and an important expression of Human sexuality  2.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discussion

Add Time management and Procrastination

Two common "meta" activities conducted by most people. Maybe place under Productivity  4 in Business?

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 10:41, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Daughters of the American Revolution  5

Maybe not niche, but not enough of an impact to be listed. Excluding political parties, 12 of the 21 National Organizations we list are from the U.S.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Soft support but yes.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Long Now Foundation  5

It seems involved in somewhat arcane, futuristic projects. The last ones listed here are from the early 2010s, so it seems this organization has petered out ever since.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove ALBA  5

This Venezuela-led organization was supposed to be an alternative to Mercosur, but it is almost defunct nowadays. Note that most member nations are very small.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
3. A minor alliance of a bunch of smaller countries. Does not need to be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:55, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
4. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Nun

A woman who vows to dedicate her life to religious service and contemplation, often through a religious order. Note that the term is not exclusive to Christianity and is not merely analogous to Monk  5.

Support

1. As nominator. To Religion and Spiriturality --- Practices Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 17:49, 19 October 2024 (UTC)~
3. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Surprising omission. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Weird this wasn't already included.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Gender binary

Since the article was recently brought to my attention by having to revert some nonsense on there yesterday, this is a common societal concept. Add to Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Social_studies#Social_status

Support

1. As nom Iostn (talk) 18:00, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

1. It's a description of a common phenomenon in society from a sociological perspective, almost exclusively from a critical perspective. This does not mean that "gender binary" as a concept is commonly discussed outside of social science circles or outside the Global North. I may support this if Social sciences weren't already over quota and after we have listed more commonly discussed topics such as Collectivism, Habit  5, Planning, Strategy, Procrastination, etc. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

   Social studies isn't over quota, its at 497/500. In any case, I do think more entries could be added to that section by clearing some of the excessive pop cultural subculture listings or named generations. Iostn (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

Remove University of California locations

The affected articles are:

1. University of California, Davis  5
2. University of California, Irvine  5
3. University of California, San Diego  5
4. University of California, Santa Barbara  5

University of California  5 is only VA5, the page it is on is 200 articles over the quota, and I don't know why these four campuses were listed over the other six. In my opinion, if we are going to list any UC campus, it should be UC Berkeley. I understand that some people may think that these are vital, but we are well over the quota for this page, and we need to start cutting the less important entries.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Support. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Support. They're important Universities for sure, but there are a lot of important universities.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Remove Daria  5

This show received some positive reception from critics and was decently popular, but doesn't seem to have been particularly influential, only lasted a few years, and didn't win any awards. It is also a spin-off of Beavis and Butt-Head  5, which is also only VA5. We do list Better Call Saul  5, which is a spinoff of Breaking Bad  5, but that is a different situation, as that show was much more popular and well-received than this one. The page is well over the quota and we need to make some cuts, so I think this show can go.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:55, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
3. And for what it's worth, I'm not sure we should list BCS either. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Per aboveGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Remove Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue  5

Sports Illustrated  5 is listed as VA5, and I agree with that listing, but I don't think it needs a subtopic, and listing it should be enough. The Culture page is well over the quota, and this is something we can remove.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Definitly not worth having if we have the regular Sports Illustrated page listed.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 00:53, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Swap with Model (person), which is what a Swimsuit Issue highlights. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:25, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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@Feminist, can you nominate the page Model (person) separately, if you haven't already done so? I agree with you but your proposal wouldn't get much traction within this one.

Trim Academic journals.

The Culture page is well over the quota, and there are a lot of very important peer-reviewed publications out there. Every discipline has their own set of academic organizations and publications, and every country has them as well. Trying to find out which should be included is very political and will cause infighting, so I'd suggest to only include the ones with the highest impact factor that are very broad and not specific to one country. For example, as a geographer Annals of the American Association of Geographers is very important to me, but I would not include it on this list. There is a lot of representation of medical journals, but many of the physical/social sciences are ignored, I don't see any engineering journals, and there are very few humanities journals. The bar for inclusion is pretty low because no one wants to say an academic journal isn't vital, so it would be best to trim the haphazard collection we have to just the most impactful and broad journals, while eliminating ones that are overly specific to a single discipline or country unless it is particularly noteworthy to avoid opening the can of worms of trying to sort academic journals. I expect this to be controversial and am not married to removing any one of these in particular, but think the ones I've listed are the ones hardest to argue against. If I subjectively didn't include something in this list, feel free to post it for discussion.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Remove American Journal of Botany

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Not important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

oppose

neutral

Remove The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove American Journal of Biological Anthropology

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Not important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

oppose

neutral

Remove Palaeontology (journal)

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Not important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

oppose

neutral

Remove Proceedings of the Royal Society

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. I don't think we need two Royal Society journals. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:05, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

oppose

1. Based on admittedly limited info, it is described as "one of the most important science journals in history", has significantly higher interwikis and pageviews than most of these, and cites many massive names among its authors. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per above Makkool (talk) 09:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

neutral

Remove Angewandte Chemie

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

oppose

neutral

Remove Annalen der Physik

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

oppose

1. Very long-running, published several important papers. 29 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Physics. I think this can be kept. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:09, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Per above Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

neutral

Remove Annals of Mathematics

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove The Astrophysical Journal

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. The article does not indicate any importance. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:15, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Linnean Society of London could be considered as vital as the oldest biological society in the world, but I don't see its scientific journal to be as important. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Support swap for Linnean Society of London

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neutral

Remove Chemical Reviews

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove Cochrane Library

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove Crelle's Journal

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove Harvard Law Review

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

oppose

1. Significant influence re: US law and politics, see the alumni list Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per above Makkool (talk) 09:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

neutral

Remove Journal of the American Chemical Society

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove The Journal of Philosophy

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove Journal of Zoology

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove The Lancet

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

oppose

1. The article shows that The Lancet has had a large amount of influence. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. This is maybe the single most influential academic journal, and I think a lot of people, even those with no connection to medicine, have heard the name before, which is something that is very rare for journals. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

neutral

Remove Mathematical Reviews

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove Mind (journal)

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1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove The New England Journal of Medicine

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

RemoveNoûs

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
4. No indication of importance Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove Palaeontology (journal)

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

oppose

1. The "world's longest-running scientific journal" (and apparently the second oldest overall), 30 interwikis, and over 1500 pageviews in the last month, not to mention the names in the contributors list. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per above Makkool (talk) 09:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

neutral

Remove The Philosophical Review

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Iostn (talk) 10:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove Physical Review

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

Remove Physical Review Letters

support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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neutral

GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Trim languages 2

I've been looking for some time to suggest some languages to trim, and since I disagreed with centering on Niger-Congo languages in the previous topic, I'll propose them now.

Remove Pennsylvania Dutch language  5

Small minority language spoken by the Amish in the North America. Not vital to understand the parent language German.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
4. B3251_(talk) 16:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Remove Chhattisgarhi language  5

We list many languages from India. This seems worthy of trimming, because the article doesn't mention any notable details and the the Indian national census counts it as a dialect of Hindi language.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
3. B3251_(talk) 16:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Remove Basic English  5

Seems more like a historical case study. I would rather list English as a second or foreign language rather than this.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. I support a swap with English as a second or foreign language, given that English is perhaps the most commonly learnt second language. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Support swap Iostn (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Support swap B3251_(talk) 16:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Support swap. Kevinishere15 (talk) 07:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Add Methodology

The study of research methods. An intersection between epistemology, philosophy of science, and the scientific method

Support

1. As nom. To philosophy of science. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
4. I'm a bit biased because this is where I live professionally. For sure consider it vital. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Tempura

A common dish in Japanese cuisine  4 dating back to the 16th century. Place under Seafood in Everyday life.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:05, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
3. One of the many examples of Portuguese cuisine  5 that has spread during the Age of Discovery  3. The Blue Rider 20:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add Illegal immigration

A commonly discussed issue in most high-income countries. Place either under Immigration  4 in Social studies, or under Immigration law  5 in Politics and economics. My preference is the former because our article on illegal immigration focuses on the reasons and impact on the practice, rather than how the laws themselves are breached.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:29, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Very important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:36, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
3. People sure do talk alot about it in the politics, should be included. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Add International school

A type of Private school  5 which expatriate and immigrant families send their kids to, offering a curriculum different from what is administered in the country. Place under Education.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 10:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
2. I've taught at international schools, they are pretty common. The Blue Rider 20:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Remove Media strategy  5

This topic does not seem particularly important, the page it is on is well over the quota, and there are more important related topics we don't list. Only three interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discuss

Add Inti

The sun god of the Incas. Second important deity for them after Viracocha  5, and the national patron of the Inca state. Add to Native American mythology.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 13:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discuss

Remove Better Call Saul

Per above comment from @Kevinishere15 on removing Daria above, I think we should remove Better Call Saul.

Support

1. As NomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2. A popular show, but almost entirely in the shadow of Breaking Bad. Kevinishere15 (talk) 17:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
3. I will bring up that Better Call Saul was only added earlier this year, so there might be some pushback about removing it already. That being said, I do agree that while it has the similar level of praise as Breaking Bad  5, it's hard to justify a long-lasting impact from this show on its own when it only ended two years ago. I will add that BCS does frequently top polls on the best television shows, so maybe in a few years it can be reassessed, but at present I think the listing is TOOSOON. λ NegativeMP1 19:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
4. A case of recentism in my opinion Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discuss

Drink brand additions

This is a group of nominations for several different popular drinks that share relatively the same rationale for why they should be added (globally recognized and long-lasting brands, lack of sodas at V5, etc). And so, I've grouped them all up under one topic.

Note that a lot of these had support in the separate proposal to add Fanta  5, though I chose to make a separate proposal so that it's easier to manage, plus there were other drinks I wanted to nominate.

Add Sprite (drink)

A soft drink that is globally popular, with generally similar popularity as Fanta  5 (though maybe a bit less). Would probably be placed directly under Soft drink  4 since I'm not sure where else it would go.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Weak support. I would actually prefer 7 Up for balance, to not give Coca Cola Company's products too many slots. But Sprite's okay too 'cause it got support already in the previous proposal. Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Support, globally popular drink. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

1. Not sure if it's significant.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Mountain Dew

Another soft drink that is fairly popular, although substantially less than Sprite and Fanta since its marketshare majority is generally only in the United States. Nevertheless, I still think it could be added since its sold in a lot of places, and therefore globally recognized.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Iconic soft drink brand, and it's not true that it isn't significant outside of the US Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Very recognizable, with quite a bit of international popularity. (As I think the interwikis show) Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Not significant outside U.S. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per GeogSage feminist🩸 (talk) 05:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Add Lipton

For a change of pace, here's a globally recognized brand of Iced tea  5 that has existed for over a century. It's sold in over 150 countries and seems to be very popular in the Australasia region.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. We actually list too many articles about tea. I was thinking of proposing to remove some Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Add Dr. Pepper

Another type of Cola  5. Unlike some of these other drinks, it's not a globally recognized brand and is only produced and sold in the United States. I don't know whether or not it should be added, so I'm actually neutral on this one.

Support

1. Iconic soft drink brand, and it's not a cola even though it's black in color Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Not significant outside U.S. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per GeogSage feminist🩸 (talk) 05:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@NegativeMP1 "is only produced and sold in the United States" is wrong, the article mentions this. Kevinishere15 (talk) 17:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

My mistake, but even then, it's very few countries and I still don't know whether or not it should be added. It's definitely the weakest outside of the ones I've proposed. λ NegativeMP1 18:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Nescafé

A globally popular brand of Instant coffee  5 sold worldwide. It even has more interwikis than the concept of Instant coffee itself.

Support

1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Loose support GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Weak support. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I think it's enough to just list instant coffee Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

This or Nespresso? feminist🩸 (talk) 06:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Trim Academic Institutions

The Culture page is well over the quota, and we have a lot of Academic Institutions. I can see why this would happen, there are a lot of people in America who really love the school they went to, sports fans, and University employees who all want to see their school as vital. The bar for inclusion is pretty low because no one wants to say a University isn't vital, but it appears we don't have a very good system for why we have included some while others are ignored. It would be best to trim the haphazard collection we have to just the biggest most significant Universities. I think we should start by trimming ones from the United States, as it is clearly WAY over represented (to be fair, the US does have a lot of great school from an international standpoint). I expect this to be controversial and am not married to removing any one of these in particular (I actually expect many if not most of these to fail), but think the ones I've listed are the ones hardest to argue against. If I subjectively didn't include something in this list, feel free to post it for discussion. As an assistant professor, this hurts a bit, however there is significant room to trim the academic institutions, especially in the United States, and tough decisions need to be made. I am not affiliated with any of the schools currently on the list, and never have been, but could make the case for at least five schools being included if we don't trim this as they are just as impactful if not more so then many on the list now. It could easily be a situation where EVERY one of the 50 states flagship universities are included, which wouldn't be ideal.

Remove Duke University

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. 71 interwikis is a huge amount. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Florida State University

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Georgia Tech

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of Miami

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of Notre Dame

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Important for Catholic research. The Blue Rider 16:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of Pittsburgh

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Syracuse University

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of Virginia

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Georgetown University

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Indiana University Bloomington

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of Iowa

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of Maryland, College Park

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of Michigan

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Michigan State University

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of Minnesota

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Does not seem vital enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Northwestern University

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Purdue University

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Rutgers University

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of Wisconsin–Madison

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Quite an important university, just a quick look at the lead you will find out that As of March 2023, 20 Nobel laureates, 41 Pulitzer Prize winners, 2 Fields medalists, and 1 Turing Award recipient have been affiliated with UW–Madison as alumni, faculty, or researchers." The Blue Rider 16:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Baylor University

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of Kansas

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of Texas at Austin

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Pomona College

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Swarthmore College

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove Williams College

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Remove University of Alabama

Suport

1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2. If the university was added because of its collegiate football, then at most add such football team. The Blue Rider 16:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Per Blue Rider, would support just the football team Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The Crimson Tide is very important to collegiate football, and we even list one of their coaches as vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

   I would support swapping with Alabama Crimson Tide football, since that is really the only thing the university is important for. @GeogSage and The Blue Rider: are you okay with that swap? QuicoleJR (talk) 19:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

   That makes sense to me GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 20:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

@QuicoleJR I wasn't thinking of these in terms of College sports, but rather their academic contributions to the global community. American College football isn't significant from a global perspective anyway, so I don't really think University Football teams should be what makes them vital. I certainly don't think the Loughborough University is vital because of their significance to Cricket in England (an article that is not listed as vital I should note). I'd be in favor of purging all American college football/sports from the lists completely, they aren't really vital, dispite what some fandoms might think. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

While I agree that college sports is not that internationally important, if we were to list one college based on its sports team, IMO it would be Alabama. College sports may not be popular overseas, but it is very popular in the United States. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Really? Alabama is that big? I would have thought Notre Dame would have got the push back for that, but that's just because they are one of the few names I recognize in college sports. The more you know. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I assume some people might see things a bit differently, but I believe that the Crimson Tide is among the most vital collegiate football teams, if not the most. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Remove University of Florida

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• FYI, it is standard to use the vital template when proposing removals, like this "Remove University of Florida  5" but even more important than that you really should give a reasoning for removal. The Blue Rider 16:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for missing that, I'll remember the format in the future. The reason for removal is at the top, and applies evenly to all of the Universities I proposed removing. Essentially, the haphazard inclusion of schools we have either requires us to include MANY more, or remove a lot of them. For example, looking at the List of research universities in the United States, we don't have all the R1s, but include California State University, which although large, consists of R2 schools. We have several schools listed that are neither R1 or R2. No school I've worked at or gone to is on the Vital list, but they are all R1 or R2 universities that could subjectively be included like most of the ones we do have. To avoid expanding the list to all R1 and R2 schools, I think trimming dramatically is easier. The University of Florida is big, but so are the flagship universities of many states that are not, and should not be (in my opinion), included on the list. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Remove University of Georgia

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Remove University of Missouri

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Remove Texas A&M University

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Remove Vanderbilt University

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Remove University of Arizona

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Remove University of California, Berkeley

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Remove University of California, Los Angeles

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Remove University of Colorado Boulder

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Remove University of Oregon

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Remove University of Southern California

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Remove University of Washington

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Remove University of California, Davis

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Remove University of California, Irvine

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Remove University of California, San Diego

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Remove University of California, Santa Barbara

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Remove California State University

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1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Not particularly influential academically and fairly recent. It is the largest public university system in the United States, but you would expect the largest state by population to also have the largest public university system. feminist🩸 (talk) 05:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Claremont Colleges

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Remove State University of New York

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1. As nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Does not seem particularly important. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Per above Makkool (talk) 18:04, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove University of North Carolina

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@GeogSage: Nominating this many articles at once has made it really hard to go through all of them. Why did you nominate so many at once? QuicoleJR (talk) 20:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

The issue is the section is quite bloated. These are the American Universities that I think we could trim, and the list is exclusive to American Universities. Going through and posting them one at a time could take months without addressing the problem of over a decade of bloat, and editors will come in and out over that time making it hard to actually maintain engagement (myself included, I would lose interest in this long before I'd get around to posting one University at a time). This seems like a good way to sort through many at once. At least that's my hope. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Linnean Society of London

Per discussion above and comment @Makkool, add Linnean Society of London.

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1. Historically important, and the oldest extant biological society in the world Makkool (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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1. Adding this because there were two people who supported it, but I'm personally pretty neutral.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Animal rights

These go way beyond an ethics debate or a social movement, as almost every country recognizes some form of animal rights. See, for example, Animal rights by country or territory.

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1. As nominator. To law. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 16:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Hanja

The character set used to write the Korean language  4 before being replaced by Hangul  4. As a result, knowledge of hanja is necessary to understand historical Korean texts. Compare, for example, the need to understand Traditional Chinese characters  5 to read older Chinese texts.

As a character set that has been superseded, hanja is perhaps less important than other character sets derived from Chinese characters which remain in modern usage, such as Kanji  5 or Traditional Chinese characters  5. However, considering that Classical Chinese  4 is at level 4, the classical Korean character set should still be appropriate at this level.

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1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 05:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Brazilian Portuguese

The Portuguese language  3 being a level 3 vital article, surely its most spoken variant, Brazilian Portuguese, deserves its inclusion at level 5. Spoken by more than 200 million people, Brazilian Portuguese, is what makes the Portuguese language such a player at the international scene. The Blue Rider 16:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 16:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2. I think languages are one of the most important things we can maintain on this list, so definitely. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
4. If we have room for five varieties of English, we can include this. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Add to Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Culture#Specific languages. The Blue Rider 16:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Add Light novel

Light novels are popular form of Japanese literature. I believe it is worth including, as are a few noteworthy series that started out as light novels, particularly That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime based on the List of best-selling light novels.

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1. As NomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Worth including. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Support. Erinius (talk) 14:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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1. Doesn't seem vital Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime

Per above discussion, on the List of best-selling light novels, That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime has the most total approximate sales for the media listed, at 40 million combined sales for digital and physical media. This is a bit of an odd one, but I think it is important to add more media that is non-western to the list of vital articles.

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1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Definitely seems like a big enough series to include. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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1. Doesn't seem vital Makkool (talk) 19:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Judging this based on sales numbers rather than broad cultural relevance and legacy feels inappropriate for Vital. I don't know if any individual light novel series is a Vital article, but if I had to nominate one, it certainly wouldn't be this one. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 03:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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• I think that if this and the previous nomination passes, we should consider a category for light novels in general. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
• @TenTonParasol I only recognized a few names on the list, and those franchises were either included, such as Sword Art Online under Anime, or were pretty far down the list. If you look through the various franchises we include, there are many western bits of media that I'd believe are less impactful then this light novel series. As it is one that has been translated into English with a fairly decent following outside Japan, and listed as the most sales of the genre overall, I thought it might be worth including. The qualitative "cultural relevance and legacy" seems a bit challenging to pin down, what metrics would you use to judge this? I was trying to avoid being overly subjective when trying to look for non-western media to include.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:38, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• I think light novels qualify as a vital topic, but at the same time that doesn't mean that any particular light novel series qualifies as vital. I'm thinking of the example of Yuri and Boys' love, which are vital articles, but I don't think any particular yuri or BL works are. Erinius (talk) 14:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  • While I understand your point regarding those genres, aren't light novels a publication format that is not limited to genre? I'd imagine this would make them a bit more broad then those specific genres. If this isn't included, I think that we can cut a lot of other franchises from the vital list.

  GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 15:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure anything in the 21st century fiction listing, which is where Reincarnated as a Slime would go is clearly less notable than it. Erinius (talk) 16:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  My suggestion is a separate section for light novels as a medium, not to place it directly under 21st century fiction. A better comparison would then be the stuff in the Manga section, or under Children's and young adult books. If you look under 21st century fiction listings, there is a heavy western bias in the media we include. This is what I'm trying to address, and I'm trying to do it quantitatively by starting with the highest sales figure in the genre. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:39, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Swap Cyrillic alphabets  5 with Armenian alphabet

Cyrillic alphabets is a List-type article about different variants of the Cyrillic script  3, which is a separate article we also list. Cyrillic alphabets is rated only Low-importance in Wikiproject Writing systems, while Armenian alphabet is rated High-importance. We already list Georgian scripts  5, so it would be fair to include the other major writing system of the Caucasus.

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1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Support. Erinius (talk) 14:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Raw milk  5

"Raw milk" as in "unpasteurized milk"? I am not seeing why should this be vital.

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1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 12:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:04, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Weak support. Raw milk is a food item so I could see its inclusion. As milk is included, we can drop it though. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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1. Very weak oppose, has some popularity, and a decent amount of interwikis, surely there are better candidates for removal. Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add The Book of Five Rings

This book from the 1600s has persisted to relevance to this day. To quote the books lede "many translations have been made, and it has garnered broad attention in East Asia and throughout the world. For instance, some foreign business leaders find its discussion of conflict to be relevant to their work. The modern-day Hyōhō Niten Ichi-ryū employs it as a manual of technique and philosophy."

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1. AS nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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