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Very frustratingly

Hunter Biden is under an enforced BRD restriction, which I think your most recent revert violated. The letter of that sanction is really giving first-mover advantage to the flood of inexperienced editors responding to the news, but I don't think there's much we can do except raise visibility and pray for ECP. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

It's a pain. This article always should have been under ECP. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Would recommend either self-reverting or noting in a dummy edit summary that you're sticking with it on BLP grounds. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

BRD restriction would mean it stays out though, and the talk page doesn't say it's on 1RR. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I think the intention of the BRD restriction, especially given its name, is to prevent bold changes from being restored once reverted, unless there's been discussion. As stated, though, it also prevents reverting editors—like you and I—from redoing those reverts, since they're "an edit that is challenged by reversion". Meanwhile, incoming editors are free to re-do the bold edit once each, since the restriction applies to "the editor who originally made it". Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I have a different read on it, being that BRD means the status quo should remain until a new consensus emerges, and the lack of 1RR allows us to do that. I could be wrong, but hopefully ECP and 1RR are added to clarify it. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I do think there's a lack of clarity on the restriction. I think my interpretation holds closer to the letter of the restriction, and yours to the spirit. I would love to see ArbCom rework it to be more closely aligned with your version, as I tend to have a lot of status quo bias and would prefer restrictions have the same. I don't feel like ARCA right now... Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree. I resubmitted Hunter's page to RFPP for CTOPS ECP just now, which can hopefully lead to more clarity at least on what to do on this page. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Neil Goldschmidt

On 15 June 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Neil Goldschmidt, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede66 03:37, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

If you have time

please take a look at [1]. Vandal that you warned has now started vandalizing my user page. I just now reported them to AIV here. Thanks - Shearonink (talk) 16:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks but nevermind, they've just gotten blocked. Shearonink (talk) 16:20, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Great – Muboshgu (talk) 16:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Brad Dusek

On 16 June 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Brad Dusek, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Black Kite (talk) 18:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Willie Mays

On 19 June 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Willie Mays, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 03:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello Muboshgu, I noticed that my recent edits to the Donald Trump 2024 campaign article were reverted, and I wanted to discuss this further to understand how we can improve the article together. My intention with the edits was to ensure neutrality and balance, as per Wikipedia’s Neutral Point of View (NPOV) guidelines. I aimed to remove biased language and provide a more balanced portrayal of policy issues and perspectives, including viewpoints from both supporters and critics. Here are some specific changes I made: Replaced loaded language with more neutral terms. Included both positive and negative perspectives on key campaign issues. Ensured that policy descriptions were presented factually and without bias. I believe these changes contribute to a more comprehensive and unbiased article. Could you please provide feedback on what specific aspects of my edits were problematic, and how I might revise them to better align with Wikipedia’s standards? Thank you for your time and assistance. Best regards, Augustus2714 71.70.226.246 (talk) 01:44, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Mike Brumley (infielder)

On 20 June 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Mike Brumley (infielder), which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 20:46, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

2024 Donald Trump Presidential Campaign Edits

Sorry, subject was left out in the original topic. See above comment - Augustus2714 71.70.226.246 (talk) 02:14, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello Muboshgu, I noticed that my recent edits to the Donald Trump 2024 campaign article were reverted, and I wanted to discuss this further to understand how we can improve the article together. My intention with the edits was to ensure neutrality and balance, as per Wikipedia’s Neutral Point of View (NPOV) guidelines. I aimed to remove biased language and provide a more balanced portrayal of policy issues and perspectives, including viewpoints from both supporters and critics. Here are some specific changes I made: Replaced loaded language with more neutral terms. Included both positive and negative perspectives on key campaign issues. Ensured that policy descriptions were presented factually and without bias. I believe these changes contribute to a more comprehensive and unbiased article. Could you please provide feedback on what specific aspects of my edits were problematic, and how I might revise them to better align with Wikipedia’s standards? Thank you for your time and assistance. Best regards, Augustus2714 71.70.226.246 (talk) 02:15, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

I see that you're new. For instance, you shouldn't be editing while logged out. You also should have brought this up on the article's talk page where others can more easily see it and respond, rather than here.

Some of the changes you made were improvements, I think. Taking "vastly" out of Trump has campaigned on vastly expanding the authority of the executive branch, for instance, I think is an improvement. Other parts of your edit removed important nuance and facts in various places. For instance, I think it is a must that we note that Trump's allegations of fraud in the 2020 election are false. We cannot equivocate on things like that.

It is also easier to make changes one at a time, so we can digest them and decide on them one by one. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:04, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback and for taking the time to discuss this issue with me. I appreciate your understanding of my efforts to improve the article's neutrality.

I understand the importance of community feedback and will take your suggestion to engage more on the talk page into consideration moving forward. I am eager to hear from other editors and administrators to gather diverse perspectives and refine the article accordingly.

Regarding the issue of Trump’s allegations about the 2020 election, I respectfully hold the view that the neutrality policy allows for presenting notable viewpoints without implying endorsement. These allegations remain a continued aspect of public discourse, and it is important to acknowledge their existence while providing factual context.

Could we discuss potential ways to address these concerns together? I am open to finding a compromise that ensures the article meets Wikipedia’s standards of neutrality and accuracy.

Thank you once again for your guidance. Augustus2714 (talk) 04:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Neutrality means stating facts. Suggesting that there could have been fraud produces WP:FALSEBALANCE. The allegations are false so we call them false. On other points, I'm open to consideration on the article talk page. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Lesigh

I think old Caleb is hanging out at his mom's place, maybe. Probably nothing on TV. Drmies (talk) 02:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Maybe we can try to introduce him to some people, make him some friends? – Muboshgu (talk) 03:00, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Do you know how this ... spree ... hissy fit .... whatever started? This. Drmies (talk) 03:25, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

All I know is he showed up at Kyrsten Sinema and after I protected it moved over to Susan Collins. I don't know if he hit others last night or not. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

San Francisco

I believe you only removed semi-protection, as the page is still indefinitely PC-protected. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 22:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Actually it looks like move-protection was what was removed; it used to be admin-only. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 22:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

You are correct, I did not do what I meant to do. Thanks for pointing that out! – Muboshgu (talk) 23:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

CPBL Infobox

I opened a discussion on the WP:Baseball two months ago to get the guidelines changed. It is out of date period. I opened the discussion to no surprise there was about 4 people who reacted and the general consensus seemed to be that people didn't care either way on the topic. You did not participate in the discussion. The edits get reverted based off an outdated guideline that I opened a discussion on and it was a yes and two that said was situation dependent. So technically that would be a majority yes. I see zero good reason to keep the CPBL out of the guidelines if you have the KBO in there. MLB and NPB are miles and miles above the KBO and the KBO is a slight bump above the CPBL. Not like the mexican league which is a AAA league or Atlantic league that is independent. Keeping useful information like that out of the infobox seems more destructive than helpful to me. Kingryan227 (Decrees • Acts) 23:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

We control the guidelines on this website lmao all it takes is someone to edit the page to change it. There is a consistent group of us that work on baseball articles and about 3 of us that pay attention to every league and have heavy knowledge following them all. Yet with how small our group is none of us agree with one another most of the time and it is constant feuding that is tiring. From my perspective and with my knowledge of the CPBL and other leagues just seems pointless and destructive to leave out stats and dates for one of the 4 main country leagues.Kingryan227 (Decrees • Acts) 23:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

It was discussed with more than four people sometime in the past, I didn't notice you try to reopen a discussion more recently. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I opened up the discussion about two-three months ago. Was me who said yes, Yankees10 who just said he was following the guidelines, Spannerol who was kind of split using Manny Ramirez as an example which I get he had a hall of fame very long MLB career and a short less than half year stint in China I don't mind that not being included and a couple other users one who said it is not even an official guideline it is just an essay that can be changed with a click basically.. But you have a player like Drew Gagnon who has spent more time in the CPBL than in the major leagues or a guy who I just added stats in for Hong-Chih Kuo who played 6 years in the majors and 4 in the CPBL (his home country). You even have a guy like Yu Chang who is leaving the Rays in a month to enter the CPBL draft and who knows if he will come back. The league is relevant enough despite it not being an amazingly skilled league that the starts are just as relevant as a league like the KBO. If we have NPB and KBO in info boxes what keeps the CPBL out? Guys bounce around that league just as much as they do with the others as they have a foreign player limit same as NPB and KBO. Kingryan227 (Decrees • Acts) 00:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

If you and Yankees are reverting and keeping out for the sole reason of following guidelines which I understand completely. What does it hurt to change that guideline?Kingryan227 (Decrees • Acts) 00:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

We can talk about it. But per WP:BRD you shouldn't have put it back in after Yankees10 reverted you. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

To be fair I left a message on his talk page after he reverted me before I reverted it again. I left an explanation after I added the stats in, he reverted, I left him a message, waited no response, I reverted again. I went through all the propers ways to discuss it and if the majority seems to not care and are just doing it based off guidelines I say we just change it. We can agree to some sort of exception for a guy like Manny Ramirez who had a hall of fame career and a 15 game stint or whatever he had just isnt relevant. A guy like Contreras had a long but wouldn't say great career I think it is just like a KBO stint truly. I haven't seen anyone who participated in the topic have a reason against it other than just what the guidelines state, which we control. I already did the WP:Baseball and if it was one vote to multiple indifferences isn't that technically majority to change it? Kingryan227 (Decrees • Acts) 01:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Bob Gibson GA Review

Hello there. I nominated Bob Gibson's article for GA review a few months back and with no answer. I was hoping, given your experience with GA reviews on baseball articles, perhaps you can check it out. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Omnis Scientia, it takes a while for baseball bios to get picked up there. I have a baseball GA nom that's been waiting almost as long as yours. Honestly with as busy as I am IRL I don't know that I have the time and attention required for that review right now, but I'll keep it in mind if it lingers. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

No worries! I understand. Actually, I did one GA nomination once before and it got picked up almost instantly which is why was surprised this one was taking so long. Just got lucky that time, I guess. If such a wait is not uncommon then its understandable why its taking time. Thank you for taking the time to respond, regardless. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Various redirects to minor leagues players articles

I noticed you incorrectly several pages of this type recently. While "not mentioned at the target" is a rather common rationale at WP:RFD that often leads to deletion, it is not a WP:CSD and these fairly clearly fall under WP:!G6. As such please undelete the pages and list them at RFD, thanks. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:10E9:A2E3:79F6:A28E (talk) 17:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Duly noted. I was unaware of that essay and can agree that I did not G6 appropriately. I'll undelete and take them to RFD. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:39B9:A943:564A:3BA (talk) 21:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Dennis Deer

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Good/Bowman losing first

AP did not call Good yet, due to pending recount for final result. The final tally of initial results puts him behind McGuire, but still too close to call. RS (WaPo article I used) call Bowman as the first incumbent loss against non-incumbent. KiharaNoukan (talk) 16:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

KiharaNoukan, I know this, but Good's race was before Bowman's, so if he did indeed lose, he lost "first". The real question, though, is: beyond the WP:RECENTISM of the 2024 election calendar, why does it matter who lost renomination "first"? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, I just added it in as broader scope of existing language (first dem to lose in 2024). KiharaNoukan (talk) 16:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I understand. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Arndt Jorgens

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DYK for Shane Rawley

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Trump #61

Re: [2][3]

Can I get you on board with current consensus item 61? Is there a reason it doesn't apply to that thread? ―Mandruss ☎ 14:32, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Mandruss I forgot about it tbh, and probably AGF too much. I'll try to remember it next time. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. It's not about their good faith; we shoot on sight bad faith complaints, per 61. Rather, it's about the time-wasting futility of nonspecific complaints. ―Mandruss ☎ 03:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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Block evasion

ArielR20130725 (talk · contribs) is a clear sock of 108.41.40.6 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). Yankees10 21:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Yankees10, they should have been warned. I warned them. We encourage IPs to register accounts so I think they need more appropriate warnings for a block. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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Project 2025

Hello - thanks at least for labeling my edits "good faith"; they are.

My question is: if a different Republican nominee were to win the November 2024 election - would Project 2025's planks, recommendations, etc., be different? I imagine not, and their website makes no reference to President Trump. These are among the reasons I think simply saying "the Republican" or "conservative" nominee in the lede makes more sense.

Best,

Kaisershatner (talk) 17:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Kaisershatner, your edit was clearly good faith and not enough editors here assume that. You ask an interesting question that I do not know the answer to. You may well be right. Of course, it's Trump allies who are behind it and it is their plan for Trump to be president as they execute it. This question would be better asked on the article's talk page so others can more easily see it and engage. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi - just saw this, and again, thanks.

I have edited on the talk page as well and will take this there. Presuming NPOV as a first principle - the article comes up short, whatever WP:Consensus currently is. However I will respect the process and will note that there. As the editor who reverted me, I'd appreciate your directly reply there as well, if amenable.

Best,

Kaisershatner (talk) 17:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Question about Project 2025 article

Hi. Recently a user put this at the beginning of the Project 2025 article: Not to be confused with Donald Trump's package of proposals, Agenda 47.[4]

Do you think it should be reverted by WP:NPOV? It seems like an attempt to unlink Trump from the 2025 project with the endorsement of Wikipedia. This is even more controversial considering that the Trump campaign initially said that Project 2025 aligned well with its Agenda 47 proposals.[5] Additionally, there is no evidence that there is a common confusion between the two terms. They don't even have similar names, and little or nothing has been said or mentioned about agenda 47.

I'm asking you this because you are a very important user on Wikipedia and also because you have made reversals in the Project 2025 article about WP:NPOV. Esterau16 (talk) 19:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Esterau16, I had not heard of Agenda 47. This is again a subject better discussed on the article's talk page rather than mine. I haven't checked it in a few hours to know if you have or not. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Jenny Cavnar

She not gonna let you hit bro Kyūka96 (talk) 13:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Kyūka96, if you make one more unconstructive edit, like the one you made on my talk page, I will block you. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

2nd game of a DH

For the 2nd game of a DH, when adding the 27th player, it would make sense to DO a (2nd game) note for that date only. I don't see why there is any problem, as long as there is no error made. And there was no error, to use a BB term. Just because it "isn't done" doesn't mean it is forbidden by the rules. Lighten up already, and let more info be allowed! MondayMonday1966 (talk) 01:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

MondayMonday1966, it isn't a matter of me needing to "lighten up". It's a matter of following WP:DATEFORMAT. Your previous edit confused another user. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

And then I fixed it after seeing the problem. Only after that (one minute) you removed it Get the whole story straight, not just the partial storyline that you didn't say. Sorry for the initial mistake, but after I fixed it, you should have let it go. After that 2nd game and he was no longer active, I would then put him back on the inactive roster. I've done that before, and with the correction I made, it makes sense to do that to show it is in the middle of the two games on the same day, for accuracy. MondayMonday1966 (talk) 18:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Move of Trump article

Hi there, FYI when you moved the Trump article at 22:57, it was move-protected (sysops only) due to move-warring since 22:52 (duration then changed 22:53). No comment on the actual move itself but in terms of editing/moving through sysop-only protection, I wasn't sure if you were aware the protection existed at the time (everything is moving very quickly so I'm assuming you may not have realised it was protected). Cheers, Daniel (talk) 23:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I did not, thanks for lettin me know. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

All good, suspected this was the case. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 23:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Rehashing RFK

Just a heads-up that the same old argument is starting up again at Talk:2024 United States presidential election#Shouldn't we add Kennedy/Shanahan to the main infobox? 2A02:C7C:E462:1200:F134:56B6:22F5:3310 (talk) 03:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

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Question about Kennedy

So, when Kennedy does eventually meet 270 Electoral Votes, will he actually finally be added to the 2024 United States Presidential Election infobox? Like, are you sure that's it, or is there a possibility a whole new other debate is created, like "oh no, Kennedy actually needs to do this this and this to be added." Sorry for the bother. Lostfan333 (talk) 20:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Why are you asking me here and not asking on the article talk page? I don't make the rules but I know there is a talk page consensus. If it were up to me, he wouldn't be added to the info box unless he receives 5% of the vote. Which I doubt will happen, just as much as I doubt he'll get access to 270 EVs (as write in access doesn't count). – Muboshgu (talk) 21:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh, so I can't talk to you now?? I was just asking a question. And since you love predicting the future, if Kennedy does reach those 270, I prematurely told you so. And you can't stop me from asking you questions. Lostfan333 (talk) 21:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

And I asked you as opposed to the article talk page cause I ONLY wanted to know YOUR opinion, even if I don't like it. Lostfan333 (talk) 21:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

I didn't say you can't post here, I believe that article issues should stay on article talk pages for the sake of centralizing discussion. That, and I'm just one schmuck on the Internet, so my opinion doesn't matter that much. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Your opinion doesn't matter that much? Bro, I've seen you end countless of article arguments before. Stop acting, you know your opinions matter. They matter to me, regardless if I like them or not. Lostfan333 (talk) 22:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Only arguments that need ending. We all collaborate with our varied opinions. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Request

Any chance you can merge Ignacio Alvarez (baseball) history with Nacho Alvarez Jr? Yankees10 22:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Done, and split – Muboshgu (talk) 23:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Can you also merge Jasrado Chisholm to Jazz Chisholm Jr.? Probably should have happened years ago.-- Yankees10 23:36, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Flojaune Cofer

Hello-- I see you redirected Flojaune Cofer to the mayor's race entry. You also started drafting a page for Dr. Cofer. I replaced your initial draft with a longer copy, and submitted it to article for creation. It was promptly deemed by the old white guys in the UK to be "not notable" and rejected as an article.

Dr. Cofer is well-written about in secondary sources, spanning years. I can't imagine why these editors would say the subject isn't notable, and they refuse to say why they think she isn't notable.

I have a conflict in that I know the subject personally and have acted as an attorney for her. And so, it wouldn't be appropriate for me to just publish the page.

Could you help get the article up? Draft:Flojaune_Cofer Jon Ivy (talk) 16:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Jonivy, I created the redirect and started the draft, yes. Sometimes these candidates are notable before they are elected, but other times they are not, and AFC reviewers often default to not. I saw your edits to the draft and have it in mind to get back to it, but I have definitely been distracted this past week by Kamala news. I will take a look at the Cofer draft soon. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Fedde-Edman Trade

I appreciate your reversions earlier but the trade was finalized and announced by the Cardinals just now. I went ahead and returned the Tommy Pham page to the Cardinals, but this should unblock all of the other players included as well. Boilerball1 (talk) 20:28, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Boilerball1, do not make unsourced changes to articles. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

https://x.com/Cardinals/status/1818019045305892949

I'm working to find a non-primary source but this has been announced by the Cardinals Boilerball1 (talk) 20:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I see that. The tweet is good enough for now, but some source has to support the change in the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

question

Hey... I had been using the refill tool to fix bare urls in articles but it seems to be gone or not working [6].. do you know if there is another tool that can be used for that? Spanneraol (talk) 22:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Spanneraol, https://refill.toolforge.org/ng is operational. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:50, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Spanneraol (talk) 22:57, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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176.123.206.218

Block for recreating User talk:Yamla/talk (they're a proxy). Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 15:10, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Blocked for 72 hours. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

hey there

Just a heads-up, wanted you to be aware of a post that struck me as somewhat personal... Oh and now I see they're off to the races. Would revert the latest but considering their already aggressively snarky tone have decided to not poke the bear. - Shearonink (talk) 02:04, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Shearonink, I have blocked them indefinitely. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

User talk:Yamla/talk/talk

Protect it to indef-admin-create-only as well? Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 15:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Edwards scandal

This is a factual situation outlined in numerous books. How can it not be included in his political career? The public also deserves to see his voting record, is that not factual as well? I think this needs to be made public if the blocking continues. ArnoldPalmer44 (talk) 15:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

ArnoldPalmer44, that he worked for Edwards is already in the bio. What you're adding, attempting to call it a "scandal", is a WP:POV violation. The only Edwards "scandal" anyone knows is his extramarital affair. Not being named CoS because Elizabeth didn't like him is not a "scandal". – Muboshgu (talk) 15:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok then it’s adding context to not being named chief of staff and coming home to run for office. He was mentioned in several sources as this being why he came back to Raleigh. It’s factually correct and adds context. ArnoldPalmer44 (talk) 15:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any sources from an initial search of "Josh Stein" and "Elizabeth Edwards" other than to acknowledge that Stein worked on Edwards' 1998 campaign. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok, just answer this for me. Is this a factual page on Josh Stein or his personal narrative? ArnoldPalmer44 (talk) 19:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

When you answer this for me: what is factual about a John Edwards 1998 US Senate campaign scandal[7] or that Josh Stein was exposed[8]? That's your personal narrative. And what isn't factual about my edit? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I’m asking a simple question not related to that issue. ArnoldPalmer44 (talk) 19:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

It's a factual page. Calling anything regarding Edwards' election to the U.S. Senate a "scandal" is not factual. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:40, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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Third Party Candidates in State infoboxes

There is a long standing consensus that any candidate who generally polls more than 5% is included in the presidential campaign infoboxes of state articles pertaining to same. This goes back to the 2016 election, with Evan McMillan. I suggest you self revert.XavierGreen (talk) 17:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Not state-by-state, IIRC. Maybe it did for McMillan after the vote? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

See here Talk:2024 United States presidential election/Archive 10 as another user pointed out on the Michigan page right above your comment Talk:2024 United States presidential election in Michigan, so you were clearly aware of same. Accordingly, please self revert.XavierGreen (talk) 18:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I see a straw poll with no conclusion. There is no consensus to include RFK on any state page. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The vast majority of editors responding were in favor of maintaining the 5% threshold a consensus was clearly formed. You are editing against it.XavierGreen (talk) 20:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

That is false. It's clearly 50-50 on that straw poll. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:56, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Bill Pascrell

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I'm sorry.

I really mean it. I'm sorry, and the last thing I wanna do is make you mad at my potentially disruptive way of speaking. Please, I hope you accept my apology. Lostfan333 (talk) 21:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Lostfan333, I gladly accept the apology. Now lets go collaborate on some article content. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Suspicious users 2024 U.S. presidential election

Hello. I wanted to bring to your attention suspicious activity at this RfC. There is an IP and a new user and their only contributions to Wikipedia is their participation in that RfC. Also, the IP !voted twice, which makes me think it is possible they were trying to sockpuppet, but accidentally used the same IP twice. Not sure if there is sockpuppetery going on, canvassing, or what. And I feel like other users at that RfC may be involved as well. What do you think is going on, if anything? Prcc27 (talk) 16:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Prcc27, the duplicate IP vote can be easily discounted with a strikethrough and an explanatory note. Being suspicious of WP:DUCK-like behavior doesn't violate AGF. You can file an WP:SPI to confirm or exonerate the user. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of August 2024 - Edit Summaries

Hello Muboshgu. Of course, you can delete your talk page additions you find uncomfortable or place you in a bad light and are contrary to the contents of the WP:DTTR essay (that does not contain rules) instead of archiving them, but it seems you needed a reminder. To regard experienced editors as exempt from reminders including violation of Wikipedia's consensus policy seems counterproductive and allows experienced editors to ignore Wikipedia precepts. So, will you provide edit summaries in keeping with Wikipedia's consensus policy? Thank you, Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 22:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Quaerens-veritatem, do not assume the reason why I deleted your template, both of your guesses are incorrect. I tend not to respond to templates. I did not know what edit of mine triggered it and a personal approach is better. Now I know which article. I strive to use edit summaries, though I don't always remember to, and will continue to use them as often as I can. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

😊 Thank you. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 22:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 August newsletter

The fourth round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 29 August. Each of the 8 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 472 points, and the following contestants scored more than 700 points:

• Generalissima (submissions) with 1,150 points, mostly from 3 featured articles, 2 featured lists, 7 good articles, and 13 did you know nominations;
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Logan Evans

Can you please move Logan Evans to Logan Evans (baseball) to make it a disambugation? Yankees10 19:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Done. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Muboshgu, you used the edit summary "maintain history", but in fact you did not maintain the edit history for Logan Evans (footballer) - it is stuck in Logan Evans (baseball), of all places. Could you do a history merge, please? StAnselm (talk) 01:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

With how badly it was messed up through edit warring, I'm not sure that can be done. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, admins are supposed to be able to do it, but never mind - I tagged the article. StAnselm (talk) 04:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Says the one who caused the problem in the first place... If you had not edited over the history of the baseball player we wouldn't be here now would we?-- Yankees10 04:14, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Yankees10, I'm not sure what you were thinking with the article about the baseball player, but you created the article and then redirected it to Seattle Mariners minor league players. It's like you didn't think he was notable until another person of the same name appeared! StAnselm (talk) 04:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

This is literally standard practice. "Creating" an article over the edit history of a whole other person is not.-- Yankees10 04:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Please be WP:CIVIL. To err is human. StAnselm, in the future, don't create an article for Subject A over a redirect for Subject B; put it in its own place and request a move after if you think it's the primary topic. Same advice goes to The-Pope. Let me try to do a history merge of it. I'm not sure it'll work. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

I think it worked. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:17, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. StAnselm (talk) 18:17, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Don Wert

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Native American data

Go to my talk page and see what user Stefen 𝕋ower wrote there. Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 22:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Domen von Wielkopolska, one editor is not a consensus. Contested content does not remain pending discussion. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:15, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

And also one editor is contesting my content. Where are we going to discuss this contested content? Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 22:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Uninvolved administrator opinion

Dear @Muboshgu, you are an administrator so I am proceeding with extreme caution due to concern on being banned if I say something you don't like.

Not stating you will do as above but my experience seeing other Administrators and reading about recent biases WP has in mainstream media worries me.

You and I have disagreed on another TP over a possible addition to an article. It seems you do not like the sources I brought even though they are not blocked nor deprecated.

In another TP which I dont see you have edited any time in the recent past (apologies if you did and I missed it; if so, please state so) you replied to me negatively on another sourced addition I asked.

Given your years of experience I dont believe this to be an example of following every post I make and try to counter my arguments. I will thus proceed with a RfC on that TP.

I would like to ask, very respectfully, for you to please not reply to me, edit my comments or post on my TP. I apologize for asking this, but if we can have an uninvolved administrator do so, if there is a need, that would be great.

Thank you for reading.

Very respectfully,

2601:19E:427E:5BB0:8BAB:B116:675B:AB5F (talk) 01:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I cannot and will not agree to not reply to your talk page posts. I don't edit other people's posts unless they meet WP:REVDEL criteria. I will not block or sanction you as I don't act as an administrator on pages where I am WP:INVOLVED as an editor. You can get feedback from uninvolved administrators by visiting various noticeboards. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for replying. Just to understand properly, when I ask you to please not interact with me as an editor, you are confirming that Wikipedia:USERTALKSTOP doesn't apply?

If it's ok to ask, is this because of your Administrator status or because its a personal decision to ignore my request?

The above are all valid questions and asked without ill will. I am just trying to learn. WP is an extremely complex and arcane place.

Thanks.

Respectfully,

2601:19E:427E:5BB0:8BAB:B116:675B:AB5F (talk) 01:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I was referring to article talk pages, not your user talk page. I will adhere to WP:USERTALKSTOP, as it says, within reason. Despite the unusual nature of the request, which I don't see as warranted. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Help...

I've some across some...well, interesting editing. An editor is blanking article talk pages without establishing an archive page. This seems to be mostly' blanking bot notices, "External links modified" etc. I've asked "why" on their user talk but would appreciate some guidance here. I mean, is this actually good practice? Am I missing something? Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 16:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Shearonink, I have seen people remove bot notices like this before, and it hasn't been considered to be problematic. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for saying so. I had come across it on user talk pages but never on article talk pages. *sigh*...learn something new every day around here. - Shearonink (talk) 21:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

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About Elon Musk

Why did you remove from Elon Musk's article his conservative political activism? Currently, it is undeniable that this is a very notable and important part of Elon Musk. In addition to The Washington Post and CNN sources, just look at his X or Twitter account, almost every post he makes is explicit conservative political activism. He cheers, pushes and promotes conservative politicians, attacks those who are not, spreads conspiracy theories and far-right accounts. This is no small matter. This is a man who openly says he uses his position of power to promote conservative and radical right-wing politics. Esterau16 (talk) 15:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Please read MOS:ROLEBIO. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Merging "Legacy of Roberto Clemente" to "Roberto Clemente"

Hey there. So I have a favor to ask. Can you start the process of merging "Legacy of Roberto Clemente" to "Roberto Clemente". I think the it is an unnecessary fork and very vague criteria. Merging it won't cause article size issues or WP:UNDUE problems - I believe in Quality v Quantity - and most of it is already there anyways.

I would do so myself but the problem is that I was new to AFDs when I first attempted to merge it -- the Afd lacked input from WP:Baseball even though I did try to get people there to comment on the talk page and everyone who commented agreed with me that it should be merged (you included). I don't want to start again on what would be my third try.

So can you do so and bring in people from WP:Baseball? Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

No offense @Omnis Scientia: but why are you obsessed with getting rid of this? The AFD seemed pretty clear for keep. I know you asked me on my talk page at the time to check it out but I never got to it and I probably would have voted keep anyways. Why not just move on at this point?-- Yankees10 16:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I won't say "obsessed" but I do feel that articles about sports legacies are unhelpful -- do we really need pages about the "Legacy of *insert name here*" for athletes with vague criteria because that person was famous for simply playing a sport? Isn't that what their biographical article is for? Its not a good precedent, IMO.

As I noted about this particular article, there's nothing in it which isn't already discussed in the main one (which gets far more views as it is). As for the Afd; one of the (three) keep votes later told me that he agreed with me but he just voted "keep" because he "doesn't believe in deletion" under any circumstance. A second used WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST to justify keeping it. Compare that to several members of the Baseball Project agreeing with me -- but days after that Afd closed. I just feel that deletion is supported by strong reasons but that they weren't adequately addressed in the first one. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Also it was a speedy and one Afd; I wouldn't say "obsessed" based on that. I actually forgot about it for a few months until it resurfaced (for me) while I was checking something else sort of related about the merger of two articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

On second thought, I think will do this myself since there isn't anything in Afd rules against a second one. HOWEVER, I won't do it right now. Yankees10 make a fair point. Its not important or even pressing so I will let it be. I have more projects to work on ATM. It just came to my mind because of something else, as I noted. Thank you either way.

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Names

There is an ongoing topic which continues to come up. Referencing an individual when their family members are also being mentioned. Until there is a big discussion about it, the debate continues. These editors won't listen. Delectable1 (talk) 13:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Delectable1, it seems you wont listen. Vistadan, Krimuk2.0, and I are telling you that your edit makes the article worse. Follow MOS:SURNAME, for one. Stop edit warring. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Do you understand? Go check articles where people are being referred to by their first name. Delectable1 (talk) 13:52, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

If I am right, what would you say? Take a glance at Judy Garland, see where she is called Frances by her first name? Delectable1 (talk) 14:33, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

You are not right. I don't know what is on those other pages, but two wrongs don't make a right. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

It's not wrong. You do use first names at times. Did you even look at the Judy Garland article? This is a common topic on Wikipedia.

npr.org/sections/memmos/2014/12/17/605388509/three-thoughts-about-when-it-s-ok-and-not-ok-to-use-first-names-on-second-refere

style.mla.org/two-people-same-last-name/ Delectable1 (talk) 14:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

No, I haven't looked at Judy Garland's article, nor do I care to. We don't use MLA here. We follow WP:MOS, and MOS:SURNAME is clear on limited use of given names, which you overused in your edits. And this doesn't take into account other problems with your edit, adding unnecessary words and the like. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:46, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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About redirected on this page Show Me Series

Is no longer redirected on REDIRECT Major League Baseball rivalries#Show-Me Series: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Kansas City Royals the link of Show Me Series is not linking the right way anymore now is redirected on

1. REDIRECT Major League Baseball rivalries#I-70 Series: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Kansas City Royals the link is now I-70 Series can you fix it please it will go through now when I link it let me know thanks. 142.136.62.204 (talk) 01:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

 Fixed – Muboshgu (talk) 01:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

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Your block of 2600:1008::/32 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))

I think your block of the /32 is too wide, especially with TPA revoked. There are many, many edits (and I assume account creations) that are unrelated to your target. Previous rangeblocks of a sample IP within the range includes blocks up to hours at a time, not months. DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 23:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

You think? I don't know the technical stuff, but I do know User:TonyBallioni/Just block the /64. Daniel Case made a six month partial block, I extended it to all pages based on some bad edits. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I do. You can see the colour coding in mw:Help:Range blocks/IPv6; /32 ranges are around the zone where the addresses are leased to ISPs and then used for entire regions. With your permission, I'd like to remove the block entirely, and if the vandalism returns then block it for a shorter length. DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 14:09, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

After that behavior, I don't want to unblock the IPv6 entirely. How about I shorten it to a week? – Muboshgu (talk) 17:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

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Marlins–Rays rivalry Citrus Series

This page doesn't match our record on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Citrus Series (2nd nomination) this is different despise that by you telling that you are claiming this information redirected so no need to do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by More Least (talk • contribs) 01:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Show Me Series Cardinals vs Royals rivalry

This page doesn't match our record on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cardinals–Royals rivalry (3rd nomination) this is different despise that by you telling that you are claiming this information redirected so no need to do that. More Least (talk) 01:59, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Bypassing community consensus on AfDs is not good. Neither is sockpuppetry or gaming the system to become autoconfirmed. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:22, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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PROD

Hi there. You declined my PROD based on your misinterpretation of what I meant by saying only Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Florida is commonly described as an assassination attempt, so it only seems fair for it to be reconsidered based on what I actually intended. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Neveselbert, incorrect. I don't have to give a reason for removing a PROD, but if you go to AfD, I will vote to keep as there is WP:NOPRIMARY topic. Keep in mind that per WP:PROD, it may only be placed on a page a single time regardless of why it is removed. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:59, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

If there is no primary topic, then why does Attempted assassination of Donald Trump redirect to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Florida? The reason you gave was based on your own misunderstanding of the PROD. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I did not know it redirected there. It would make more sense for that redirect to be the location of the disambiguation page. Again, there is no primary topic for a Trump assassination attempt, as it could be Pennsylvania or Florida. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

In which case, can you move Attempted assassination of Donald Trump (disambiguation) over to the base name, please? ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

It seems that was discussed at User_talk:SilverLocust#Attempted_assassination_of_Donald_Trump_(disambiguation). It would probably be best to check in with the closers. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Death hoaxer strikes again

Hi, Muboshgu. After checking out 2804:14D:AE90:814A:BC14:E0F6:E8CA:F612's contributions, I was kind of surprised that you only gave them 60 hours off. Isn't every single edit extremely disruptive, and of BLP's, no less? Is it that they have access to so many IPs that a long block would be pretty pointless, or something like that? Bishonen | tålk 19:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC).

Bishonen, it was just two weeks ago that I made a IPv6 range block that was called out for being too long (#Your block of 2600:1008::/32 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))). I was told there could be too much collateral damage, and also yes, they may be using a proxy so they'll likely come back on a different IP. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Surely there won't be any collateral damage on a /64 — it's much different from a /32, which DatGuy was complaining about. But I understand the proxy argument. I'm sure you're right. Bishonen | tålk 20:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC).

Bishonen, honestly, I didn't realize there was a difference in these situations until you just pointed out that one is a /64 and one is a /32. And not bein a technical person, I don't know the difference myself. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, I noticed you mentioned User:TonyBallioni/Just block the /64 when talking with DatGuy. That essay explains why we should block the /64 (as indeed you did) whenever we're inclined to block an IPv6 at all. A /64 is in general one person — the exceptions are unimportant. Whereas a /32 is likely to be a whole region, as DatGuy says. My own IPv6 rangeblock competence begins and ends with /64s. I leave bigger ranges (=all other IPv6 ranges) to people who truly understand ranges. But you and I can get quite far with the principle "Just block the /64", while keeping in mind that it's one person. So, possibly, in this case, more than 60 hours wouldn't hurt? Bishonen | tålk 21:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC).

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HJ

Hi, Muboshgu. I saw you reverted my additions to the article as UNDUE (which I mostly agree with). I've appreciated our prior interactions and wanted to get a bit of advice here. The content I added was copied from the 2023–24 U.S. House legislative coalition. I left it mostly intact because I was under the impression that's necessary if I'm copying content from another article to leave it for attribution and cut it down? Seems like that may be the wrong approach and I should approach it in a more piecemeal manner? Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 13:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Piecemeal is better rather than such a large amount of text. I question if any of that is relevant for the biography. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:59, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Will take it piece by piece. Busy during the week with my actual job but should have time over the weekend. I think if it becomes too UNDUE, a page about his leadership might eventually make sense but only after the text is reworked to be about him (so it doesn't duplicate the other article about the session). Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 00:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

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IP harrassment

Hi there. This may be long but I really, REALLY need your help because I'm at my wits end right now and on the verge of tears.

You're an admin right? There is this IP user who has been harrassing me for almost two months now over such a small thing that I cannot believe that I'm even here at the moment. I don't want to take this to a board just yet because I'm trying to end it without escalating this necessarily.

Earlier this year, I created List of Jewish Major League Baseball players to replace what was a section of a MUCH bigger list - linked as List of Jews in sports#Baseball and often written as "List of select Jewish baseball players" - in the "see also" section in the articles of Jewish MLB players. The first list was an incomplete and included quite a few Christians as well who were only listed there because of their Jewish ancestry but they didn't identify as Jewish. So I decided to create a list for MLB players who identified as Jewish and it even became a featured list, my very first! I then replaced the first list with this one since its obviously considered a better one and is also baseball specific.

Two months ago, this IP user undid all those replacements - minus, for whatever reason, the two Jewish HOFers and a few star Jewish players - and came into my talk page and said that I was wrong to replace to lists because they had been there for years and my list was unreadable and nobody would be willing to read it. here for that original exchange. I defended my decision - and I stand by it even now and, after a bit of back and forth, I told them to leave me alone after they decided to come back a month later to tell me how I'm still wrong and they are right and that their preference should come first.

They came up with the "compromise" that both lists should be in the "see also" which, honestly, doesn't make sense at all to me because one list is clearly more detailed and better referenced and adheres to MOS:ACCESS and was created specifically for MLB-specific articles.

Now they are saying I've "deleted" the list - I haven't - and that I should fix it instead of "deleting" it and that I'm not being "collaborative". Honestly, its really wearing me out and they are bordering on harrassment. They are now being passive aggressive - edit summary here as an example, along with my talk page comments scolding me like I'm some child - and just not leaving me alone even though I've said so a few times and even tried to ignore them. Here is the latest exchange in my talk page.

Please help me. I don't know if I'm in the wrong or not by standing by my decision to replace the original link but they are harrassing me over such a small detail and a routine edit and I can't stand it anymore. I have no agenda here; I just think the old list, as useful as it is, is far from the best work on this site and the criteria of it is flawed, and took steps to make a better, more comprehensive, MLB-specific list using the criteria given by the Jewish Baseball Museum. I'm honestly losing my mind here and I feel like crying right now because of their most recent response.

Please make them stop. I would really appreciate your help. I'm sick and tired of this. I just want them to leave me alone and stop telling me how and why I'm wrong and how I'm a bad person for not listening to them. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I had no idea that page had been created, and you already got it to FL? Well done. Lemme look into this a little bit.... – Muboshgu (talk) 23:54, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, that's very kind. :) There was a lot of info on the topic, including a couple of documentaries and (a lot) books about Jewish players in MLB. Thought it was worth looking into at least. Found more than enough for two articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 04:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Omnis Scientia, I left them a note. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I will tell you if they continue with their behavior and I may have to tag you into the current exchange because they have two or three IP addresses and are... persistent. Omnis Scientia (talk) 04:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hoax on French wiki

Hello, I have found a former hoax article on the French Wikipedia where information about it is very scarce. It can be considered lost media. It was about a Chinese scholar named Li M'hâ Ong (or Li Ma-hong) (which was apparently a parody of the phrase "lime á ongles" which means toenail clipper or file) and reportedly existed for over a decade on the French wiki before it was removed in 2015 or 2016. There is almost absolutely zero information still on the internet on what this article was about. It feels like it was quite long, given that multiple French dictionary sites have referenced it as a source for example sentences about "gnarled trees" until recently. The article also had a bunch of supposed quotes from the scholar, apparently, such as: "On nomme d'ordinaire mythologie les récits sacrés des religions auxquelles plus personne ne croit", which in English means "We usually call mythology the sacred stories of religions that no one believes in anymore". One quote, "le clou qui dépasse connaîtra le marteau " (Li M'Hâ Ong)" (The nail that sticks out will know the hammer) has been referenced on the website of TECFA, which is located at Geneva University, as a real quote, and appears to be not the only occurrence where Li M'Hâ Ong is seriously quoted. This article was apparently a very elaborate hoax. Do you know anything about the article or its contents? (Source: https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:Mythologie, https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Projets_p%C3%A9dagogiques/Universit%C3%A9_du_Qu%C3%A9bec_en_Outaouais, both French) 87.122.16.35 (talk) 16:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

If there is a page on the French Wikipedia that deals with hoaxes, you should bring it there. At least, you should let an administrator on the French Wikipedia know about it. This is the English Wikipedia. We know nothing about what goes on on the other language Wikipedias. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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We got the matchup you predicted last offseason.. Not sure we have the pitching to hang with you guys but it's gonna be fun. Spanneraol (talk) 18:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Spanneraol, if only I had put money down on it. The last time the Yankees and Dodgers played in the World Series, I was a fetus. I'm excited for this series. YANKEES IN SIX! – Muboshgu (talk) 21:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Shoulda bet on it..lol.. tonight's game was certainly something.. I get way too caught up in these games.. not good for my health. At least now people can stop talking about 1988. Spanneraol (talk) 05:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

As a Mets fan I lost interest when I found out they couldn't both lose. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like a Mets fan to me. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about the Bombers. I guess they'll have to go back to their vacation condominiums in Utah and plush mansions in Jersey and settle for counting their many many millions. I do feel badly for them. BusterD (talk)

Venable

It's official. It's been announced. Don't need a press conference for it to be so. Get off your high horse Muboshgu and stop bullying other people just because your an admin. 2603:8080:BC00:24C9:FD63:D958:CBDF:9AD8 (talk) 15:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

It had not been announced when I reverted it. Stick to the facts. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:54, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for 2024 World Series

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Certainly better than that crummy "My Dawg" shirt – Muboshgu (talk) 16:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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Barnstar

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		Hey there. Some time ago, you helped me out with a user on here who had been harrassing me for over a month. I just wanted to say thank you for helping. 😊 Also, even though I'm a Mets fan, I'm sorry the Yankees lost... Well, not too sorry but for you specifically 😂. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm glad that it worked out with that user. But I'm sorry that Mets fans are such haters. Some sort of little sibling syndrome? :P – Muboshgu (talk) 19:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Hey... Its been a while. 1986 is ancient history. 😭 Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I woulda rooted for the Mets over the Guardians. Just sayin'. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I was hoping the Yankees would win, for what its worth; keep it in NYC at least and beat the team who beat the Mets! 😭 Alas... Freddie Freeman happened. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

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Infobox, predecessors/successors

Howdy. You wouldn't happen to know when/where the RFC was, concerning whether or not to show successors (before they take office) in predecessors's infobox? GoodDay (talk) 17:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, not sure. I imagine we've discussed it, but I don't remember where. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for 2024 Japan Series

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Your AN protection

You may want to double-check your protection times. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 01:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Weird... I put it in for a week, and it said that at the bottom, but then the protection itself said infinite? – Muboshgu (talk) 02:09, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

You set the existing indef move protection for a week and the edit protection for indef. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 02:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Ohhhh. Oops. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 02:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out my mistake. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

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Can you merge Draft:Shavon Revel with Shavon Revel? Yankees10 23:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

and Steve Mott (American football) back to Steve Mott? I don't know what this was all about.-- Yankees10 00:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Steve Mott done. Change your mind on Revel? – Muboshgu (talk) 00:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind, doesn't look notable to me. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

2008 United States presidential election

Perhaps it should be cited in the body, but I don't think it is in this case. Yes, some of the information is repeated in the "Analysis" section, but it doesn't have any source listed there either. Additionally, that section actually mentions precisely what I wanted to add to the lead: "As of 2020, this election is the last time that Indiana or North Carolina voted Democratic, and is also the most recent election where one of the nominees has since died." So if the former (i.e. the info on Indiana and North Carolina never voting Democratic after 2008) can stay in the lead, why can't the latter?

Also, I can understand that one could consider my addition trivial, but to be consistent, one would have to remove the other similar passages ("Since the death of George McGovern in 2012, this is the earliest election where at least one of the major party nominees for president (Carter) or vice president is still alive (Ford died in 2006 and both Mondale and Dole died in 2021)." from 1976 United States presidential election, "Since Mondale's death in April 2021, this is the latest election where all of the major party nominees for president or vice president are deceased." from 1984 United States presidential election, and "Since the death of 2000 Democratic vice-presidential nominee Joe Lieberman in 2024, this is the earliest presidential election in which all major-party candidates for president and vice president are still alive." from 2004 United States presidential election) as well.

"Don't revert, discuss" - a very good idea on paper, but it has happened to me before that the user reverting my edit never replied to the talk page message I left them. TVShowFan122 (talk) 04:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Did you message them on their talk page or the article page? Because this should be on the article talk page to get more page watchers involved. There is a lot of uncited content in the "Analysis" section. I haven't looked through that article in some time. The answer isn't to add more uncited content, but to clean it up. A lot of it looks like trivia that should be deleted. And McCain's death is quite immaterial to the 2008 election. As was Mondale's death to the 1976 election, Mondale's death to the 1984 election, and Lieberman's death to the 2004 election. People add cruft that doesn't get reverted all the time. I will go remove those three entries now, though. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't talking about BusterD in particular here, I don't think I've ever interacted with them. What I meant was that I've experienced being reverted, messaging the person who reverted me, and never getting a response at least 2 times before - although it was on the Polish Wiki, where I'm more active than here nowadays. Thank you for being consistent and removing the other death-related trivia as well. TVShowFan122 (talk) 02:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Misrepresentation of sources

Please do not misrepresent sources as you did here and in the related talk page discussion before your edit. I think some reasonable administrator should warn you. Politrukki (talk) 19:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Or perhaps you should learn to WP:AGF about honest mistakes. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

We all make mistakes. What I fail to understand how this was an example of "honest mistake". Twice. Would you like to enlighten me? Politrukki (talk) 19:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't take your meaning about "twice". I made a mistake in forgetting to attribute it to the Democratic minority of the committee rather than the full committee, and corrected it when you pointed it out. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

"Twice" as in first on the talk page and then in the mainspace. The former is much more serious mistake. "Honest mistake" is an understatement. To use a similar incident with someone else as an example, an editor cited a source without reading it or fundamentally misread it, for a claim that no reliable source ever made, as far as I know. Characterising that edit as "honest mistake" would be an understatement. Still, I would not say the user was being "dishonest", because I do not believe it. Subpar behaviour, but there was no intention to disrupt Wikipedia.

Thank you for amending the article, even though someone reverted your contributions. Do you believe that your two contributions accurately summarised the source in the article? Politrukki (talk) 15:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Someone asked about Trump conflicts of interest with staying at his properties, I said "overcharging the Secret Service", found several sources, and added one with imprecise language. That is what we would call ONEEVENT on Wikipedia.

I do not think you are assuming good faith. This is a small error, not a "fundamental misread". Yeah, "someone" reverted it. You. Why did you remove it? Where's the SYNTH? – Muboshgu (talk) 15:53, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

"ONEEVENT"? If you mean WP:ONEEVENT, I have no idea who you are talking about. Back to my question ("Do you believe..."), since you did not answer, let me ask you this is in another way. What does "during these stays" refer to? Politrukki (talk) 17:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

My "ONEEVENT" is finding the source and adding it to the article. "During these stays"? It refers to Trump's stays at Trump properties where the Secret Service had to be there with him and they were overcharged for the rooms. Golf cart rentals, too. What else would it refer to? – Muboshgu (talk) 17:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh, the Bump column. That's another matter. I didn't see there was an intervening edit. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)