User talk:Renata3/archives

GASB VfDs

Just to let you know that I have combined all 11 into a single VfD for efficiency. People often don't bother to vote on multiple VfDs like this one. If you think the combining was inappropriate, please do split them apart again making sure to copy your nomination and Harmil's vote into each of them. Cheers! -Splash 21:18, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey thanks a bunch, 'cause I was thinking the same, just did not have time/did not not know how to incorporate them all.Renata3 10:56, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Category Autodidacts

I do mind. --ThomasK 19:50, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Recent Vote/Comment

Re: *Delete after you take any useful info and put it in say general science category. Archeology is not that big and important field.Renata3 06:30, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

really? What is your definition of big and important? Archaeology is to me. Wiki really has room for us all, you know. WBardwin 06:34, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

well, no offense. But I mean that if we keep it, then there should be similar things for astronomy, geology, biochemistry, physiology, logic, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. It it just not a sufficient field for THAT huge of a project. (and I am deeply sorry for my spelling, 'cause I am without sleep for about 24 hours...) I have nothing against any science, interest, or hobby.

Oh, I voted to delete too. But I think consolidating it into one list (for now) just for archaeology is a better alternative than into general science, particularly since topics in archaeology can also be lumped into social science. The current info would make one nice big article, particularly if internally sorted in some way. Comments welcome. WBardwin 06:47, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

VfD

Hey, I know you're still pretty new to wikipedia, so I just though I'd leave you a gentle reminder on how to VfD as you seem to have not followed through with the whole process on Faces of Korea. Instructions on how to do it can be found at How to list pages for deletion. Thanks, keep up the good work. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 16:36, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

The thing is that I tried to list them, but somehow VfD page does not want to work for me... I listed several things there today and not all of them appeared. Why? Not even a slight idea. The Wiki crashes :)

{{Accounting-stub}}

I see that you renamed {{accounting-stub}} to {{acc-stub}} today. May I ask why? --TheParanoidOne 20:16, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!

Thanks for the welcome. I've been an avid reader for a long time, and now I am going to start helping out by editing articles! Thanks for the link to that tutorial, that was most helpful. Arcaynn 23:44, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Renata. Thanks for the welcome too! Ronasi

Hi

I answered on my talk page; I'm from Chicago IL, actually; I'm guessing you might be too. linas 21:20, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Why, thank you very much for the barnstar! :) linas 18:31, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Matthew

Hi, you voted to Merge Authentic Matthew at a VFD. However, the salvagable content of the article was already merged prior to the previous VFD. Is it possible for you to reconsider your previous vote? ~~~~ 08:10, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

.Thanks.

For reverting vandalism on my user page. Very kind of you! Renata3 17:48, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

You're very welcome, glad to be of any help ;) Salut. ∞Who?¿? 17:53, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Categories

Just wanted to say thanks for the categorisation award! Like you, I'm relatively new here, and like you, I see many sleepless nights of categorisation ahead. I think the category system is one of the most brilliant and yet underrated features of Wikipedia as a whole. Hopefully our paths will cross again. Agentsoo 15:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

consensus

The Authentic Matthew VFD has closed. The results were

• Delete - 21 (58%)
• Keep - 11 (31%)
• Merge - 4 (11%)

This was declared to have been no consensus, and therefore a new VFD has been opened at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Authentic Matthew (consensus).

Would you be prepared to re-add your vote there? ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 09:44, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Authentic Matthew the sequel

The POV that was in Authentic Matthew, an article you voted to delete, before it was NPOVed has been re-created at a new article - see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/The Original Gospel of Matthew. ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 20:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

I am giving you this barnstar to let you know that I too feel your Wikistress. Take care, D. J. Bracey (talk) 01:23, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Renaming a page

Hello! You sent me a welcome message. Thank you! I do have a question: I came across the article Xue Shen, which (I think) should actually be titled Shen Xue because Shen is the family name. Am I reading the naming conventions right? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28Chinese%29#Names) How would I get the article name changed? Fang Aili 19:13, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Amanda Lepore

The full content of the page I deleted was "A Famous Tranny," which is quite useless, even if she is much deserving of an article. - SimonP 19:37, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Welcoming committee

Hi, Renata. I noticed you had welcomed some newcomers; maybe you could look into joining the Wikipedia welcoming committee and Kindness Campaign. Small acts of kindness can do wonders. :) Regards, Sango123 20:35, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Thank You for Welcome

Thank you for welcoming me to the Wikipedia! I was hoping you might be able to answer a question for me. I created an article yesterday and there is a person who is trying to delete it, citing that it is non-encyclopedic or only raw data. I disagree, but don't know how to prevent her from deleting it. Would you mind taking a look? Deletion Page Thanks a lot! Americanus 02:12, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Hello Renata. I have a question--I need help with disambiguation. I want to create articles for several figure skaters, but their names already have articles. For instance, Maria Petrova is a famous rhythmic gymnast, but another Maria Petrova is a figure skater. How do I make a page for the figure skater? I tried reading the wiki disamb page but couldn't make heads or tails of it. Thanks. Fang Aili 20:25, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Dėkoju

Ačiū, parašysiu, jei reiks. Šiaip manau gera idėja būtų sukurti Wikipedijoje lietuvių puslapį (ten kaip nors Wikipedia:LithuanianHome), panašų rodos turi lenkai (ir dar kelios tautos), tai jie ten jei vienas į kokią diskusiją įsivelia, parašo į tą puslapį ir sukviečia visus kitus kurie ten skaito (užsidėję jį ant watch). Anksčiau lietuvių buvo mažai, gal tik aš vienas aktyvesnis, bet pamažu mūsų daugėja (ir visi atskirai į konfliktus su lenkais įsivelia, bet lenkai vieningi, taip kad jų ir atrodo daug), taigi matyt reikės panašų dalyką ir man padaryti; jei taip padarysiu, tai tave irgi pakviesiu.Sykiu tai būtų ir vieta kur kiekvienas galėtų pasiskelbti jei parašė kokį ilgesnį su Lietuva susijusį straipsnį, kad kiti galėtų pažiūrti ir patikrinti klaidas, taip pat užsieniečiai galėtų klausti įvairių detalių, jei jie ką nors rašytų apie Lietuvą. Manau, padarysiu, kai daugiau laiko turėsiu, tada reiks visiems wikipedijos lietuviams parašyti, kad dėtų tą puslapį ant watch. Aš tai specialiai įsigijau kelias istorines knygas apie tarpukarį, taip, kad galiu pateikti šaltinius į daugelį vietų. DeirYassin 10:06, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

I am glad to be here

Just wanted to thank you for the welcome message, and I do hope that I can contribute largely to this great project. --E.P.I.C. 22:34, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

thanks for the welcome

Thanks for the shout, appreciate the concern about a newbi... cheers! Nelgallan 00:43, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Linkėjimai iš Vilniaus!

Sveika! Gerai, kad atsirado dar viena lietuvė čia. Pati matai, ką čia išdarinėja lenkų nacionalistai. Visa bėda, kad visi lietuviai čia ne istorikai ir naivuoliai. Vienas DeirYassin dar buvo pusė bėdos. Lithuania ir Vilnius angliški straipsniai visiškai lenkų sufalsifikuoti (nekalbant apie kitus). Jiems galime atsakyti tik vienybe. Aš esu pagal išsilavinimą istorikas, esu verslininkas (irgi visai neturiu laiko). Ar galiu tikėtis čia tavo paramos? Bf-109 10:01, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Jo

Jo, teisi tu. Kol kas aš užsiėmęs Vilniaus krašto ir tarpukario reikalais, nes ten lengviau įrodyti teisybę, kadangi lenkai visiškas nesąmones rašinėja, be to, geriau žinau tarpukario istoriją. Turėčiau turėti daugiau laiko kitą savaitę, žiūrėsim, gal pabandysiu tą portalą įsteigt, nes jau berods tu, bf-109 ir aš bus bent trys nariai, reiks dar ir kitus lietuvius pakviest. DeirYassin 10:31, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Reikia pagalbos

Nežinau, kaip užpildyti 3RR report. Bandžiau - nesigavo. Gal tu galėtum pranešti apie to lenko fanatiko User:Witkacy 3RR pažeidimą Lithuania straipsnyje -> žiūrėk pervertimus? Bf-109 19:19, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

Thanks plus a suggestion for your "what will kill wikipedia" dilema. Sell hardcover copies of wikipedia. Sure anyone can get it on the web, but imagine having your own hardcover copy. Because of the size, it would have to be selected articles only. Maybe a basic digest copy of the whole encyclopedia and specialized copies too. Even one containing just the year and date articles. The possibilities are limitless. the only question is whether there is a market. As I am new, I'm not sure how best to get this idea off the ground, having just thought of it now while reading ur page. Let me know what u think. Olleicua 03:00, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

IDRIVE

Thank you for your support of This week's Improvement Drive. This week Spice trade was selected to be improved to featured article status. Hope you can help…

Vistula

Sorry, I can't help you. Read the image description at Image:Vistula.jpg and you'll know why. Halibutt 15:28, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Fair use

Well, whoever made the images clearly wanted them to be considered copyrighted material (hence the copyright notice), so I assume the university has some policy. I would try e-mailing the university and seeing if they'd be willing to release the images under the GDFL. Otherwise, the key question for fair use here would really be whether not there were free alternatives available which would be adequate. For illustrating the basics of Lithuanian geography, I think the CIA maps would probably be considered adequate, so fair use wouldn't really work. One other plan might be to make a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Illustration and Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps for somebody to draw new maps of Lithuania based on those used by the university. Hope that is helpful. --Fastfission 20:55, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Renata and Fastfission, excuse me for chiming in or for misunderstanding what you're talking about. I wanted to say, as a U.S. citizen who's followed copyright issues for several years, that the U.S. government does not hold copyright for any of its own works; they are all public domain, except when a work is produced for the government and the producer's contract specifically leave copyright with the producer. So, for example, the maps in the CIA World Factbook, without such a notice, can be reused without any requirement for permission.

Tangent #1: under U.S. copyright law, "fair use" has nothing at all to do with whether there are free alternatives elsewhere. The Copyright Act mentions four factors for considering fair use, but these are not "bright line" items (meaning, they're not clear cut). Whether the image or work from which you hope to make fair use exists in some other format is not one of the four factors.

Tangent #2: in the U.S., it has not been necessary to include a copyright notice on a work for more than 30 years; the "fixed original expression" enjoys copyright from the moment it's fixed (written, saved, etc.). Having the copyright notice gives additional remedies to the creator of the work, but the absence of the copyright notice does not in any way mean the work doesn't enjoy copyright.

OtherDave 00:09, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Dėl portalo

Nelabai žinau kaip ten su visu wiki kodu tvarkytis, bet jei tu nusprendei tuo užsiimti, galėtų būti tokie skirsniai:

• Nauji straipsniai - vieta, kur bet kas, parašęs naują straipsnį (ar iš esmės papildęs esamą, ar pamatęs naują straipsnį ar rimtą papildymą), susijusį su Lietuva, galėtų ten įdėti nuorodą į jį su trumpu paaiškinimu, kad kiti galėtų patikrinti, papildyti ir panašiai. (po savaitės ar pan. duomenys iš čia būtų keliami į archyvą)
• Diskusijos - vieta su nuorodomis į tuo metu vykstančias diskusijas susijusias su Lietuva ir trumpais kuo neutralesniais jų paaiškinimais
• Dalyviai - vieta, kur visi galėtų įsirašyti savo juserneimą ir dar kelis duomenis, ypač, kuo jis domisi (tad, pavyzdžiui, kas nors turintis klausimų dėl Lietuvių kalbos galėtų per tą sąrašą susirasti ir kreiptis į žmogų, ja besidomintį; panašiai su istorija, geografija ir pan.)

Talke reikėtų daryti skirsnį bendriems klausimams apie Lietuvą, kokie dabar paprastai nevisai teisingai eina į Talk:Lithuania ir kitą skirsnį prašymams patikrinti informaciją wikipedijos straipsniuose (pvz. kur koks nors užsienietis, suabejojęs kokia informacija straipsnyje, susijusiame su Lietuva, bet pats užtektinai tame nesigaudydamas, kad pataisytų, galėtų kreiptis). Gali dar pagalvoti ir pati keletą skirsnių - jei viskas bus tvarkinga, bus gerai.

Kai viskas bus sutvarkyta, reikėtų parašyti apie portalą į Talk:Lithuania su jo apibūdinimu ir prašymu ten kreiptis su bendriniais klausimais apie Lietuvą taip pat pažiūrėti dalyvių sąrašą, jei ieškomas kažkoks specifine sritimi besidomintis ar tą specialybę turintis lietuvis. Išsyk tuomet reikėtų rašyti visiems wikipedijos lietuviams į talkus ir pasiūlyti prisijungti prie portalo, t.y. jei nori, įsirašyti prie dalyvių ir, kas svarbiausia, uždėti jį ant watch, kad galėtų dalyvauti. Reikėtų visiems parašyti apie tokio portalo privalumus, pvz:

• Užsieniečiai galės matyti vieną vietą su lietuvių sąrašu, talke klausti informacijos, kuri dabar neteisingai atsiduria Talk:Lithuania
• Nauji straipsniai, dabar paprastai parašomi tik vieno žmogaus, lieka nepastebėti ir dėl to gali įsivelti klaidų, o čia išsyk juos galės peržvelgti keli lietuviai, taip pat jie galės ir daugiau papildyti, jei žino
• Bus galima lengviau kalbėtis tarpusavyje tarp visų wikipedijos lietuvių rašant į portalo talką

Ir panašiai. Taupant laiką, geriausia bus padaryti iš esmės vieną portalo aprašymą, kurį ir įdėti viesiems į talkus; galėsi man jį duoti jei tokį sugalvosi dar prieš dedant, gal kuo papildysiu. Lietuvių šiaip jau nėra mažai: Dirgela, Knutux, AndriuZ, Lokyz, Gvorl, Linas, LinasLit (ar Linas Lituanus) ir pan. reikia tik pažiūrėt su Lietuva susijusių straipsnių istorijas ir talkus.

Taip pat panašų "atsišaukimą" reikia sugalvoti ir įdėti į talkus ir nelietuviams, kurie daug dalyvavo įvairių straipsnių apie Lietuvą diskusijose ar kūrime (pvz. yra Theodore Kloba rodos, kuris domisi lietuvių kalba ir ypač žemaičių tarme ir rašo straipsnius apie tai), kad jie galėtų paskelbti apie savo naujus straipsnius portale ir lietuviai galėtų patikrinti, nes paprastai jų straipsniuose ir įsivelia šiek tiek klaidų (sunkiau rašyti straipsnį nebuvus Lietuvoj ir pan.). Taip pat bus daugiau dalyvių, kas gerai.

Šitą, aišku, reikėtų daryti tik kai viskas bus sutvarkyta portale ir vaizdas bus estetiškas, aš duosiu patarimų jei ką sugalvosiu, gal ir pats prisidėsiu - iš esmės čia nėra labai skubu, nėra reikalo viską daryti skubiai ypač jei nėra laiko, bet reikia daryti gerai, kad kai visi bus painformuoti, atsirastų daug norinčių prisijungti ir portalas pradėtų iš tikrųjų veikti.

Pagarba, DeirYassin 23:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Kas dėl featured article ir picture, manau gali pažiūrėti, kur yra geresnių susijusių su Lietuva. Kas dėl mano straipsnių, tai neblogas yra Lithuanian 1941 independence, dar apie kelias savivaldybes (ten Vilnius city municipality, Varėna district municipality ir pan. Balticdata.info žinau, pats rėmiausi tais planais kai kuriems straipsniams. O kas dėl redagavimo, tai esmė, kad ten yra wikikodas, visokios lentelės ir pan, tai nesinori to sugadinti DeirYassin 09:17, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Dėl rajonų

District - rajonas, district municipality - rajono savivaldybė. Iki savivaldybių reformos 2000-ais (apie kurią yra mano straipsnis lietuviškoje wikipedijoje "Savivaldybių reforma") lietuva buvo padalinta į rajonus ir respublikinio pavaldumo miestus; nuo tada viskas tapo savivaldybėmis, tik arba "rajonų savivaldybėmis" (ten kur buvo rajonai), arba "miestų savivaldybėmis" (ten kur buvo respublikinio pavaldumo miestai), arba tiesiog savivaldybėmis (naujai atriektos savivaldybės, tokios kaip Elektrėnų, Pagėgių, Rietavo; taip pat tais atvejais, kai respublikinio pavaldumo miesto teritorija būdavo išplečiama, kad šis apimtų ir nemažai kaimų (Druskininkų sav., Marijampolės sav., Birštono sav.)). Taip kad teisingas pavadinimas bus arba "district municipality", arba "city municipality" arba "municipality" priklausomai nuo lietuviško pavadinimo. Iš tik "district" ir city" turėtų būt redirektai į "district municipality" ir "city municipality" atitinkamai; taip pat nuo "District", "District Municipality" ir pan (iš didžiųjų raidžių). Antra vertus, galima daryti atskirus straipsnius rajonams, kaip Sovietinio administracinio padalijimo vienetams (iki 2000) - kita vertus, kadangi rajonai daugeliu atveju beveik sutampa su dabartinėmis rajonų savivaldybėmis, galbūt geriau bus tiesiog paminėti juos prie atitinkamų savivaldybių istorijos skirsnių. O kas dėl portalo, tai, kaip jau sakiau, nėra ypatingai skubu. DeirYassin 20:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Iš esmės taip sakyti (kad pvz. Panevežio r. sav. sostinė yra Panevėžys) galima ir turbūt reikia; sostinė nebūtinai turi įeiti į patį administracinį vienetą - sostinė yra ten, kur bazuojasi administracinio vieneto valdžia, o tais atvejais ji bazuojasi tuose miestuose, nors šie ir neįeina į administracinio vieneto teritoriją. Panašūs atvejai yra ne tik Lietuvoje, bet ir, pavyzdžiui, Indijoje, kur Harjanos (Haryana) ir Pendžabo (Punjab, India) valstijų sostinė Čandigarhas yra abiejų šių valstijų sostinė, bet nepaisant to nėra nė vienos šių valstijų dalis, o atskira federalinė teritorija (bet, kaip matai iš nurodytų straipsnių, miestas visvien minimas kaip sostinė). Panašiai būna ir Latvijoje bei dar nemažai šalių. O tiek problemų supavadinimais yra dėl to, kad nenorėta tiesiog visų rajonų, kuriuos žmonės taip jau buvo įpratę vadinti, pervadinti tiesiog savivaldybėmis, bent jau aš taip manau. DeirYassin 21:08, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Eldership counts

See Counties of Lithuania, which already has this info (I have no idea if it's accurate). Some of the counts seem to differ from what you added to List of municipalities in Lithuania. -- Curps 03:48, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: catneeded

Well, if you're doing an automatic scan, then you might as well have a new version of Special:Uncategorizedpages that excludes those junk categories. --Joy [shallot] 21:45, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Planai

Taip, jis nėra labai tikslus, daugiau skirtas bendram orientavimuisi, kitas būtų geriau. Jei naudosi kitą, reikia visas nudažyt kokia nors viena spalva, o tą, apie kurią yra straipsnis - nudažinėt kita.DeirYassin 06:18, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Taip, manau pasiūlytasis planas ir spalvos yra geri. DeirYassin 11:32, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Nelabai supratau, koks template? DeirYassin 19:46, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Ačiū, planai geri :) . Malonu, kad atsiranda žmonių, dėl informacijos apie Lietuvą internete užsiimančiu tokiais darbais kaip herbų dydžių derinimas ar planų kūrimas :) . Kas dėl šablono, tai nėra jo: aš pats tą lentelę sukūriau (panaudojau ir Vilniuas miesto, Varėnos rajono savivaldybėms bei gal dar kur kitur), ir perkėlinėjau ją iš vietos į vietą paprasčiausiai kopijuodamas visą lentelės kodą ir tik pakeisdamas informaciją. Gal pati sukurti šabloną, jei taip patogiau. Dar tik planuoju, kad bus galia vieną papildomą grafą įrašyti: Savivaldybės narių skaičius. Beje, užsiimu dabar su vienu rusu, kuris periodiškai trina informaciją apie Mažąją Lietuvą iš straipsnio Kaliningrad Oblast - matai, ne vien lenkų naglų esama :P . DeirYassin 20:03, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Taipogi, galima dar būtų sukurti šabloną lietuvos savivaldybėms tokį, kuriame būtų parašytos visos savivaldybės, ir jį dėti apačioje kiekvieno savivaldybių straipsnio, panašiai, kaip yra šablonai su visomis ES šalimis ar NATO šalimis ar visais Rusijos administraciniais vienetais.DeirYassin 21:28, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Kas dėl angliško pavadinimo viršuje, aš dariau tą lentelę pagrinde pagal valstybių lenteles, o jose toje vietoje būna pavadinimai originalo kalba. Iš esmės, taip gal ir geriau, nes nėra gerai, kai lentelėje per daug panašios informacijos. Dėl šitos priežasties manyčiau, kad ir "Šalis" nėra reikalinga: tokios lentelės bus tik Lietuvos savivaldybėms, taigi šalis ir taip aišku. Neaišku ir dėl etnografinio regiono, nes šie nėra politiškai apibrėžti, o pagal dabartinį variantą gali pasirodyti, kad tai - irgi tam tikras administracinis vienetas. Šiaip jau jų ribos nėra visiškai aiškios; tačiau jei naudosimės oficialiai nustatytomis, nors ir galbūt ne visai tiksliomis, etnoregionų ribomis, galima juos dėti. Gal kažką, apskritį ar etnoregioną, galima ir perkelti į skliaustelius po savivaldybės pavadinimu, kad pati lentelė neatrodytų prigrūsta. Duomenys kas dėl miestų dydžių yra iš 2001 surašymo, taip, kad ne 2005, kaip parašyta skliausteliuose. Kadangi visi duomenys pagal tą surašymą (t.p. bendras žmonių skaičius, tankumas ir pan.) galima gal kažkur vienoj vietoj paminėti (kaip išnašą ar pan.) iš kur duomenys, jei išvis reikia. Telefono kodas, mano nuomone, galėtų būti; galima jį paversti nuoroda į straipsnį su paaiškinimais ir visu sąrašu, jei toks būtų; kol nėra, irgi galima palikti, iki kas parašys, be to, gal kam reiks informacijos kaip prisiskambinti ton savivaldybėn ir jis jau žinos bendrą kodų naudojimą Lietuvoje (be to, kaip suprantu, jis panašus visam pasauly: šalies kodas, tada miesto/regiono kodas, tada numeris). Kas dėl sąrašų pagal tam tikrus rodiklius, gal galima bus tokius padaryti tame pačiame straipsnyje (List of Municipalities). Tikėtis straipsnių apie kiekvieną herbą artimiausiu metu negalima, bet apie kai kuriuos (pvz. Vilniaus) jau yra; o wikipedija su laiku augs, pritrauks daugiau lietuvių: lenkai apie savo įvairius giminių, miestų ir miestelių herbus jau dabar sukūrę straipsnių, nes atsirado ten keli heraldikos fanai. Jei padarai nuorodą wikipedijoje, nebūtina pagal tą nuorodą ir straipsnį sukurti, bet jei yra raudona nuoroda, didesnė tikimybė, kad kas nors jį sukurs, nei kai nėr nuorodos. Turbūt apie visus merus greitu laiku straipsnių irgi nebus. Po merų, tiesa, dar kai kada (visur kol kas neįrašiau) yra įrašyta jų partija, tad galima rašyti "Mayor (Party)" ar "Mayor (Faction)". Dar, kaip sakiau, galima skiltis apie savivaldybės tarybos narių skaičių (tokią informaciją turbūt galima rasti kiekvienos savivaldybės oficialiuose tinklapiuose). Dar nežinau, ar kontūrams gražiau šviesi spalva, ar pilka. Na, čia tik mano pastebėjimai, aišku, gali kai kurių jų ir nepriimti, jei su jais nesutinki. Dar, beje, jei kursi straipsnius apie daugiau savivaldybių, turbūt geriausia bus naudoti ir vienodą skirstymą į paragrafus: stengiausi padaryti optimalų Vilnius city municipality ir kai kur kitur (Istorija, geografija, demografija (su statistika apie urbanizaciją, lytinę, tautinę ir religinę sudėtį), politika (su galimais skyriais: susigiminiavę miestai, tarybos sudėtis, politiniai tikslai), ekonomika, transportas, seniūnijos, kultūra, nuorodos). Jei turi pasiūlymų čia, irgi gali sakyti - gal būtų gerai apkeisti vietomi "geografija" ir "istorija", "transportas" pavadinimą pakeisti į "infrastruktūra" (nors čia ir nežinau). Dar gal galima skirsnių apie turistinius objektus, paminėjimus kūriniuose ir pan. bet čia jau iš esmės ne tokie svarbūs dalykai, svarbiausi jau ir taip yra. DeirYassin 23:05, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Kas dėl ne tokių svarbių duomenų ir lentelės perpildymo, gal būtų įmanoma daryti kažką panašuas į vaivadijų lentelę, pvz. Podlasie Voivodship, t.y. suskirstytą į skyrius. Aišku, skyriai nebūtų tokie patys, nematau prasmės informacinėj dėžutėj dėti informaciją apie produkciją ar panašiai; šitą, jei reiks, bus galima dėti prie paragrafo "Ekonomika". Bet galėtų lentelėje būti skirsniai "Vieta" (apskritis, etnografinis regionas), "Politika" (meras, savivaldybės narių skaičius, valdančioji partija/jų koalicija (jei verta), gal seniūnijų skaičius), "Bendroji informacija" (sostinė, plotas, gyventojų skaičius, tankumas, gal dar prie šito ir gal seniūnijų skaičius bei telefonų kodas). Jei prireiks, gali būti dar ir skirsnis "Indentifikacija", su ISO bei telefonų kodais, nors gal kaip atskiras skirsnis jis nelabai reikalingas. Tokiu atveju lentelė būtų mažiau prigrųsta ir būtų galima dėti iš pažiūros mažiau svarbią, bet kažkam gal reikalingą informaciją apie savivaldybės narių skaičių, valdančiąją partiją ir pan.; nes pastaroji neužgožtų kitų duomenų. Apskritai manau į lentelę verta dėti bet kokią informaciją, išskiriančią tą savivaldybę iš kitų, kuri yra oficiali ir kurią galima pateikti apie visas savialdybes. Neverta dėti sąrašų (kaip pvz. etninė sudėtis, seniūnijų sąrašas ar pan.) kuriuos geriau pateikti straipsnyje (mano nuomone). Pagal tokius kriterijus telefono kodas irgi visai naudingas dalykas, ypač jei lentelė bus suskirstyta į skiltis; telefono kodai, be to, yra pvz. straipsniuose apie valstybes. Prie ko žemaitiškas pavadinimas buvo aišku kiek paskaičius straipsnį: kai originalo kalba rašomi paadinimai virš valstybių straipsnių, tose, kur yra kelios oficialios kalbos yra rašomi keli pavadinimai vienas po kitu. Aišku, žemaičių tarmė neoficiali ir iš esmės gal galima palikti ir tavo variantą, vis dėl to angliškas pavadinimas jau ir taip daug kur kartojasi (straipsnio pavadinimas, pirmieji žodžiai straipsnyje), bet galima ir taip palikti (gal galima liet. pavadinimą skliausteliuose po anglišku nurodyti, tokio pat dydžio šriftu, tiesa). Jei std.lt turi duomenis apie miestus ir pan, galima dėti: vis dėl to nemanau, kad jie tikslūs, nors ir naujesni: dėl emigracijos po įstojimo į ES ir panašiai gali būti sunku spręsti apie tam tikrų regionų populiaciją, 2005 duomenys vistiek išgaunami iš 2001 surašymo pritaikant įvairias formules, kas gali būti ir netaip tikslu. Tarmiškų pavadinimų galėsiu įdėt kiek žinosiu (mano žinios ten irgi nelabai didelės) ir jei reikia; gal juos paliksim tik pačiame straipsnyje, nes vis viena nėra oficialūs. Bet jei yra duomenis apie visus miestus ir pan. irgi (kad nereiktų naudoti skirtingų metų duomenų toje pat lentelėje), galima juos dėti; tada turbūt paaiškinimo, kelintų metų duomenys išvis nereikia, nes duomenys dabartiniai. O taip kaip įdėjai duomenų amžių, mažomis raidėmis po lentele, mano nuomone yra gerai. Kas dėl herbų aprašymų, jo, iš esmės gali būti tame pačiame straipsnyje, kokiame paragrafe "Simbolika" (kaip kad yra su kai kurių etnografinių regionų straipsniais). Atskiri straipsniai patogesni tik tuo, kad tada iš juos galima nurodyti tiek iš savivaldybės, tiek iš miesto, nes paprastai herbai sutampa. Bet galima tiesiog kurti paragrafus "Simbolika". Apie spalvą tai turėjau omeny, kad esamoje lentelėje rėmeliai tarp lentelės ląstelių buvo tamsūs, o taviškėje - šviesūs. Čia tik atkreipiau dėmesį. Savivaldybės planą (su jos miestais, miesteliais, kaimais ir seniūnijų ribomis), jei toks bus, geriausia bsu dėti po herbu ir Lietuvos planu su savivaldybe. Kas dėl šablono, nežinau, ar ten verta dėti apskritis, ypač viršuje ir didesnėmis raidėmis: gali sukelti klaidingą įspūdį, kad apskritis yra svarbesnis administracinis vienetas už savivaldybę, kas, nepaisant apskrities dydžio, nėra tiesa: savivaldybė yra savavaldus vienetas su renkama valdžia, o apskritys - tiesiog vyriausybės dariniai, kurių pagrindinė užduotis yra prižiūrėti, kad savivaldybės jų teritorijose neleistų potvarkių, prieštaraujančių įstatymams ar konstitucijai. Kas dėl etnografinių regionų, jo mačiau tą žemėlapį, turėjau omeny, kad klausimas, ar ten jiet iksliai nsutatyti, akdangi tikslus nutatymas ant regionų ribų labai sunkus ir turbūt neįmanomas, bet kadangi yra toksai oficialus nustatymas, iš esmės galima etnografinį regioną dėti. Jei lentelė bus padalina į skiltis, tuomet prie skilties "Vieta". DeirYassin 08:03, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Dėkoju už sukurtas lenteles ir planus :) . Mašinų numeriai prie apskričių gal nelabai reikalingi, nes nuo 2003 ar tai 2004 buvo panaikinti (t.y. naujai registruojamų mašinų numerių vidurinė raidė gali būti bet kokia). Apskrities vadovo pavadinimas yra "apskrities viršininkas", o ne "gubernatorius", tad gal geresnis vertimas būtų "Ruler" arba "Chairman" ("Country ruler", "county chairman")? Kaip smulkesnius vienetus tamsėjančia spalva? Turi omeny, apskritis šviesiau, savivaldybes tamsiau, o seniūnijas tamsiausiai? Galima iš esmės. Kas dėl seniūnijos lentelės, šiokia tokia, tik netobula, yra mano sukurta lietuviškoje wikipedijoje, straipsnyje "Marcinkonių seniūnija". Savivaldybių lentelė dabar jau yra gera, gal tik reikia kai ką apkeisti vietomis (pvz. number of elderates nustumti į apačią), taip pat gal "settlements" pakeisti atgal į "cities", nes iš esmės čia yra rašomos tik oficialiai miesto statusą turinčios gyvenvietės (kai kurie kaimai už jas ir didesni). Galima, aišku, šitą praktiką ir kaip nors keisti, tik nežinau iš kur įvairių kaimų populiacijas paimti. Taip pat "counsel" turbūt turėtų būti "council" (taryba)? Kas dėl miestų lentelės, čia iškyla daugiausiai neaiškumų. Primiausiai, jos politikos skiltis iš esmės yra ne apie patį miestą, o savivaldybę, kas jau būtų kitame straipsnyje (pvz. Vilniaus miesto savivaldybė be Vilniaus dar apima ir Grigiškes, oficialiai atskirą miestą, nors ir tos pačios miesto savivaldybės dalį, todėl A. Zuokas teisingai yra Vilniaus miesto savivaldybės meras, o ne tiesiog Vilniaus meras. Telefonų kodai taip pat susiję su savivaldybėmis, o ne miestais, tas pats ir apie oficialias svetaines. Etnografiniai regionai didmiesčiams - irgi gana slidus dalykas, ypač Kaunui, kurio dalis vienoje Nemuno pusėje yra oficialiai Suvalkijoje, o kita - Aukštaitijoje. Nežinau, ar verta į "capital" rašyti istorinius dalykus, kaip laikinoji sostinė. Kad yra tų vienetų sostinė, galim apaminėti skliausteliuose po tų vienetų pavadinimų "location" skiltyje; nežinau tik ką daryti tokiu atveju su rajonų savivaldybėmis, kurių sostinės daug didmiesčių irgi yra, nors ir nėra jų dalis. Nelabai supratau, ką čia reiškia "number of neighborhoods", nes šitai turbūt labai subjektyvus dalykas - gi kvartalai/mikrorajonai, išskyrus seniūnijas, nėra oficialiai apibrėžti. Nežinau, kiek objektyvūs yra miestų dydžio ir tankumo dalykai - iš esmės tai irgi daugiau yra savivaldybių dalykai, miestas, kartais net priešingai oficialiam statusui, užima mažiau nei savivaldybė (t.y. ženklas baltu fonu su miesto pavadinimu, skelbiantis apie įvažiavimą į jį, yra toliau nei ženklas mėlynu fonu skelbiantis apie atvykimą į savivaldybę; kai kuriuos "miestus", pvz. Palangos, sudaro keli miesteliai), o tankumas priklauso nuo to, kiek aplinkinių teritorijų (miškų, pievų, laukų ir pan.) oficialiai prijungta prie miesto: Visagine tokių nėra, tad jis ir atrodo tankiausias, o pvz. Vilniuje tokių daug. Kaimų dydžius ir tankumus bus dar sunkiau nustatyti. Tad gal iš esmės verta palikti tik populiaciją? Jei norisi palikti "temporary capital", galima nebent dėti atskirą skirsnį "Pravardė", ten iš serijos Sostinė, laikinoji sostinė, uostamiestis, Lietuvos Čikaga, agurkų miestas, vasaros sostinė, karališkasis kurortas, Jonų miestas, saulės miestas, energetikų miestas ir pan. Bet būtų nelabai objektyvu ir oficialu. Iš esmės kas dėl miestų siūlyčiau palikti vietą (apskritį, savivaldybę, kaimams - seniūniją), kokių darinių sostinė yra, pirmo paminėjimo, miesto teisių suteikimo datas, populiaciją, pažymėjimą ant plano, herbą, seniūnijų skaičių; dėl politinės informacijos reiktų nurodyti į atitinkamos savivaldybės (ar seniūnijos, jei tai - miestelis) straipsnį. DeirYassin 16:54, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Kas dėl spalvų, sakyčiau turėtų būti trys intensyvumo lygiai: apskritis, savivaldybė ir seniūnija; nes kaimai ir miestai kaip ir neįeina į šį skirstymą, tad gal būt juos būtų galima žymėti kažkokia kitokia spalva (jei nenorima per daug nutolti nuo žalios, pvz. tokia žaliai mėlyna ar panašiai: tuomet šviesiausia spalva būtų miestų, turinčių savo savivaldybes, antra - turinčių savo seniūnijas, trečia - tiesiog seniūnijų centrams ir paskutinė - šiaip kaimams. Kitas variantas būtų intensyvumą keisti priklausomai nuo populiacijos. Trečias ir turbūt geriausias - intensyvumo išvis nekeisti, miestams/kaimams palikti tik vieną, atskirą, spalvą, nes iš esmės gyvenvietė, kad ir kokio ji dydžio - to paties "tipo" darinys; panašiai kaip ir skirtingų dydžių savivaldybės ar seniūnijos). Savivaldybės spalva galėtų būti kiek tamsesnė, ad labiau nuo apskrities skirtųsi. Gerai, Lietuvos sostines galima palikti. Tu teisi, kaimams/miesteliams etnografinį regioną bus galima įdėti. Gerai, iš esmės nuorodas turbūt irgi galima palikti. Kaimų lentelė būtų panaši į miestų, tik vietoj "number of elderates" būtų "elderate" prie location skilties ir dar plius regionas. Kas dėl miestų/kaimų, Panemunė Pagėgių savivaldybėje pvz. turi apie 400 gyventojų ir yra oficialiai miestas, tuo tarpu nemažai kaimų turi po kelis tūkstančius gyventojų. Miestai visi surašyti prie statistikos atskirai, galima sužinoti jų populiacijos ir pan. duomenis, todėl jie ten ir išskirti; su kaimais tai sunkiau. Čia kaip ir su Magdeburgo teisėmis kadais - miestu gyvenvietė buvo laikoma tik tuomet, jei jas turėjo; būdavo ir nusigyvenusių miestų su šiom teisėmis, buvo ir jų neturinčių didelių gyvenviečių. Gal tada iš esmės reikės pakeisti tą miestų sąrašą ir vietoje vien miestų dėjimo dėti ir kaimus - pavyzdžiui, dėti visas gyvenvietes virš 1000 arba virš 2000 gyventojų (o į apskričių lenteles - virš 5000 ar 10000). Tik, aišku, kaimų duomenis bus surasti sunkiau nei miestų ir gali būti šioks toks neišbaigtumas; nes miestų nėra daug (106 iš viso, taigi kiek mažiau nei vidutiniškai 2 į kiekvieną savivaldybę). Galima lentelę būtų ir išvis naikinti, o duomenis iškelti kur kitur, bet tuomet būtų neaišku, ar sostinė įeina į savivaldybės sudėtį, ar ne, ar yra daug miestų ir kokio jie dydžio ir pan, tad siūlyčiau ją palikti DeirYassin 19:21, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Na, lentelę tą, kur miestui su savo savivaldybe, naudotume miestams kurie turi savo savivaldybę ir/arba po kelias seniūnijas (nes ten būtų seniūnijų skaičius). Čia "po kelias seniūnijas" turiu aišku omeny po kelias seniūnijas miesto viduje, kaip Vilnius ar Kaunas - kaimiškoji seniūnija tai tas pats kas rajono savivaldybė aplink didmiestį - t.y. jokia miesto dalis ten neįeina, tik kad tame mieste yra seniūnijos centras. Šią lentelę realiai būtų galima panaudoti Vilniui, Kaunui, Klaipėdai, Šiauliams, Panevėžiui, Alytui ir Visaginui (Palangai ne, nes pats Palangos miestelis yra tik Palangos miesto savivaldybės dalis; nors iš Palangos straipsnio galima daryti nuorodą, kad oficialiai "Palangos miestas" (dar žinoma kaip Didžioji Palanga) sudaro visą Palangos miesto savivaldybę iki pat Latvijos sienos). Kita lentelė būtų kitoms gyvenvietėms: nedaug skirtųsi, bet ten būtų prie "vietos" ir seniūnija bei etnografinis regionas ir nebūtų seniūnijų skaičiaus. Jei yra miesto r kaimiškoji seniūnijos, tai gyvenvietės vieta būtų toji miesto seniūnija; bet prie "sostinė" būtų įvardytos abi seniūnijos, tiek miesto, tiek kaimiškoji. Jei gyvenvietė yra kaimiškojoje seniūnijoje tai prie vietos būtų įvardyta tiesiog ta kaimiškoji seniūnija. Gal dar reiktų miesto pravadę rašyti lietuviškai, o skliausteliuose angliškai; nes čia kaip ir su himno pavadinimu ar nacionaliniu šūkiu - jos pagrinde vartojamos lietuviškai, lietuviškuose šaltiniuose DeirYassin 09:54, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Gerai. Beje, manęs nebus kurį laiką. Sėkmės kuriant lenteles :) . DeirYassin 22:53, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Grįžau jau. Manau, kad viską padarei puikiai ir galima dėti lenteles į straipsnius :) . Gal tik kas konkrečiai dėl Kauno bus galima parašyti, kad tai buvo laikinoji Lietuvos sostinė, o ne tiesiog sostinė, nes oficialus statusas buvo toksai, bet šitą ir vėliau bus galima padaryti. Dar galima kas dėl miestų įrašyti ir kelinti pagal dydį jie savo apskrityje bei savo savivaldybėje, bet čia gal ir nebūtina. Kas dėl seniūnijos žemėlapio, kaip suprantu turbūt reiks parodyti jos vietą savivaldybėje o ne visoje Lietuvoje, nes pastaruoju atveju sunkiai įsižiūrėtų, nebent išdidintas (plano kampe nebent būtų galima uždėti mažą Lietuvos žemėlapį ir taškučiu pažymėti apytikslę seniūnijos vietą ant jo) - ar tavo nuomonė čia kita? Bet kokiu atveju, geriau baigsiu su savo perfekcionizmu :) . Ačiū už lenteles, ir sėkmės jas dedant :) DeirYassin 23:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Dėkoju :) . Kaip aš ten turėčiau prisidėti prie tokio prašymo? DeirYassin 11:11, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the compliment. I wish I could take full credit, but most of the HTML was done originally by User:Blankfaze. I edited it around a lot though. Cheers --Ryan Delaney ^talk 03:00, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Tarybų respublikų himnai (ir veliavai, ir herbai...)

Labas!

Šalyuose apie tarybų respublikų himnai, vėliavai ir herbai, respublikai yra kaip TSRS konstitucijoje: List_of_Soviet_Republics#Constitutional_order. Tik buvo 15 respublikų - nera sunku rasti, ką ieškome ... --Explendido Rocha 23:24, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Labas atkal!

(sorry my Lithuanian, but I haven't been in Lithuania for eight years now)

Actually, I think we should use the constitutional order, exactly because people in Zimbabwe don't know it (it's a way to learn it) - and also because it shows a (not so subtle) bias present in the Soviet leadership (my Estonian friends certainly weren't happy to have their republic always last - and to annoy them even more, Эstonia is the last in Russian anyway).

Perhaps we can have a public vote? --Explendido Rocha 08:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Laiškas

Kiek pataisiau ir sudėjau nosines, paukščiukus, taškus ir brūkšnius (nors turbūt nėra gramatiškai tobula, nes mano paties gramatika nėra tokia gera). Taip pat pakeičiau laišką į daugiskaitą, nes sakei čia siųsi tu ir Knutux, dar gali pridėti mano vardą ir pavardę.

Čia laiškas:

Gerbiamas Dr. Pilipaiti,

Pirmiausia, norėtume Jums ir Vilniaus Universiteto Kartografijos Centrui padėkoti už labai vertingą ir reikalingą darbą kuriant nepaprastai tikslius ir aktualius Lietuvos ir pasaulio žemėlapius: tokius kaip, pavyzdžiui, žemėlapiai saugomi tinklapyje http://www.balticdata.info .

Šie žemėlapiai būtų tiesiog neįkainojami Vikipedijai, laisvajai enciklopedijai (angliška Vikipedija: http://en.wikipedia.org , lietuviška Vikipedija: http://lt.wikipedia.org ). Šis nekomercinis ir pelno nesiekiantis internetinis projektas siekia sukurti laisvą ir nemokamą enciklopediją visomis kalbomis. Šiuo metu projektas yra aktyviai plėtojamas apie 100 skirtingų kalbų ir turi apie 1,5 milijono straipsnių (iš jų apie 700000 yra anglų ir apie 6000 - lietuvių kalba). Visi straipsniai yra kuriami savanorių, kurie negauna jokio atlygio. Deja, informacija apie Lietuvą yra fragmentiška ir nedetali. Tačiau Jūsų centro žemėlapiai tikrai pagelbėtų pildant spragas straipsniuose, šviečiant pasaulį ir skleidžiant informaciją apie Lietuvą įvairiomis pasaulio kalbomis. Tad, gerbdami Jūsų centro sunkų darbą ir autorines teises, Vikipedijos bendruomenės vardu maloniai prašome leidimo naudoti žemėlapius, esančius http://www.balticdata.info, įvairiems Vikipedijos projektams.

Žemėlapiai būtų naudojami pagal GNU Free Documentation License (arba tiesiog GDFL). Šios licencijos pagrindiniai bruožai:

1.Vilniaus Universiteto Kartografijos Centras leidžia visiems asmenims (ne tik Vikipedijos redaguotojams) laisvai naudoti, platinti ir keisti šiuos žemėlapius tol, kol šie asmenys nereiškia pretenzijų į autorines teises ir leidžia kitiems laisvai naudoti šiuos žemėlapius.

2.Vilniaus Universiteto Kartografijos Centras išsaugo žemėlapių autorines teises net jeigu žemėlapiai yra pakeisti neatpažįstamai. Tačiau centras nėra atsakingas už jokius pakeitimus.

Pilną oficialų GDFL tekstą anglų kalba galima rasti internete, adresu http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html . Vikipedija naudoja šią licenciją, nes ji leidžia sukurti laisvą ir nemokamą enciklopediją tuo pačiu įvardijant ir atsidėkojant straipsnių bei iliustracijų autoriams.

Jei jūs manote, kad ši licencija Jums yra nepriimtina, mes visada atviri pasiūlymams ir kompromisams.

Ačiū už jūsų laiką ir dėmesį ir nekantraudami lauksime Jūsų atsakymo.

Nuoširdžiai,

Vardai ir pavardės

Wikipedia won't collapse

You should have come to Wikimania, then you wouldn't think that Wikipedia is going to collapse soon of it's own weight. We have always more and more of dedicated contributors, and that will help a lot. Anyway, calm down your wikistress and... live! Domas Mituzas 22:36, 2005 September 1 (UTC)

Commons

Hi Renata. You might be interested in the Wikimedia Commons, a repository of free pictures. If you put your maps there, they can be used here in the normal way, and they can also be used on Wikipedias in other languages (for example, lt:Varėnos rajonas could then use Image:Varena district location.png). If you have any questions, please drop a note at my talk page. dbenbenn | talk 18:01, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Dėl tarmių ir kt.

Gerai. Labai gražios lentelės beje :) . Kas dėl savivaldybių planų (tokių kaip prie Mažeikių rajono savivaldybės), galima juose iš esmės surašyti seniūnijų pavadinimus, kad visiems būtų aišku, kur tiksliai - kuri. Gal ir seniūnijų sostines pažymėti. Na, bet čia neskubu aišku, nes tie vidaus planai dar retai kur ir yra. O šiaip, dėkoju už padarytą darbą :) . Dar, beje, prižiūrėk Kaliningrad Oblast, gali ant watch'o uždėt, nes ten yra vienas rusų nacionalistas, Ghirlandajo, kuris atmetinėja visus iš eilės teisingus ir pagrįstus pakeitimus (mano, Lokyz, Matsuhito, Lysy ir t.t.), siekia išvis panaikinti informaciją apie mažąją Lietuvą, deda gryną rusų POV ir panašiai. Jei taip tęsis ir toliau, gali tekti kažką daryti per administratorius, nes tai yra nesąmonė, kad jis vienas viską reguliuoja ir kitų redagavimus atmetinėja, į užklausimus straipsnio talk page jis dažniausiai neatsako, o jei rašai tiesiai jam į talką tai ištrina iš ten.DeirYassin 08:55, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Maps Petition

Hi Renata, Yes, I will sign. For what it is worth, my father, Vytautas Vepstas, is an avid collector of Lithuanian/Baltic maps, and has donated several old maps to the (I believe the very same, but I may be mistaken) archive. I have tried explaining to him several times, without success, what a wiki is, and what the gfdl is. Anyway, add my name, Linas Vepstas to the list. If it helps, make mention of such a connection. linas 22:52, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi, you can add me as well, my name is Peter Markusse. Markussep 08:56, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Hello Renata, my name is Dariusz Sucharski--Witkacy 11:36, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Dėl savivaldybių žemėlapio

Labas, norėjau pasiklausti ar neturėtumei ir negalėtumei duoti Image:Municipalities in Lithuania.png žemėlapio be pavadinimų. Nes labai jau gražus, bet "m." nelabai tinka lietuviškai Vikipedijai :). Dėkui iš anksto. Knutux 12:25, 2005 September 8 (UTC)

Background

Could you tell me where you got the background maps for all those dot maps you have created? Renata3 16:38, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Sure, they're created dynamically by the Generic Mapping Tools. I think there's a blank one somewhere... Image:Gb4dot.png looks like a good one. Lupin 16:51, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

Thanks for the welcome note...see you around. --Easter Monkey 10:08, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:Vilnius city mun location.png

Why did you request red on white? There are 60 such maps (User:renata3/gallery) and the rest of them are green on green (because it's sort of theme color for Lithuanian subdivisions). Renata3 17:36, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, green on green is hard to see, and I imagine the difference can be impossible for some people to make out. Of course, I think all the maps should be changed, not just one. Also, they should all be SVG now, and they should be put at the Wikimedia Commons instead of here. dbenbenn | talk 23:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

You wanna change them? :) 'cause for me they are fine as they are. And they are on commons - first they were here, and then uploaded to commons (my mistake, I admit). Renata3 01:43, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

No, sorry, too much work for me. Feel free to revert the one that got changed to red and white. (Though perhaps User:Mysid would be willing to change the colors on all of them?) By the way, is it okay with you if I delete the local versions, so the Commons versions will show? dbenbenn | talk 02:03, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

RE: Juan Moreira

Yes, I'm thinking of cleaning up that article and another one I've written. I will do it later, since I'm out of time these days. That article was based on a Spanish printed source and it contained several informal and gaucho slangs so it was very very difficult to translate and get the information organized. Kind regards, Luis María Benítez 12:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Templates and Categories

Regarding your question on WP:CFD...I'm not an expert but I believe you need to do an edit of some kind to the pages that have the template on them in order to get the category to update. This can be a null edit (i.e. adding an extra space, etc.). Christopher Parham (talk) 06:32, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad you got it sorted out....and thanks for the barnstar! Christopher Parham (talk) 02:00, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Šilutė district municipality

Ten buvo nurodytas Vainuto seniūnijos gyventojų skaičius(matomai kopijuota is oficialaus savivaldybės puslapio). Šilutės rajone antroje vietoje tarp miestelių turėtų būti Švėkšna, Ž.Naumiestis arba Rusnė, deja radau tik tikslų Švėkšnos skaičių. Matyt manęs gal ir nematysi, bet darbais stengsiuosi prisidėti, tiek lietuviškoje, tiek angliškoje laidoje. Linkėjimai iš ILLINOIS, USA. --Vytis1 14:11, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

What will kill Wikipedia

I agree entirely on what you are saying. The vandals always make big edits people know not to trust and are reverted quickly. Accuracy is no problem in long, looked-at articles (stubs are a different matter). But server size and lack of volunteers is a major threat. Unfortunatly life indeed does love irony; and there's only so much server room. Which means I can't say with any certainty that your prediction is wrong (I hope it is). But...it's going to take a long time before we get to that point, and everyone is happy to help and prevent this. Right? Right? HereToHelp 01:41, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

• I guess I could split the Community portal up, but I think we should give people time to eliminate all possible opposition before doing something and come up with names for the two new portals. I like Help portal, but To-do portal? Maybe Open tasks portal, or something someone else might suugest. Give it time, I think it will come out well. As for What will kill Wikipedia, just hope we're wrong. I'm going to copy this over to your userpage so you see it. (you'd think we'd figure out how to have it all in one place, you know? Until then see both of our talk pages.) Regards, HereToHelp 18:47, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
• I'm going to have to archive this disscussion in its entirety later...sigh. Sure, I'll draft the Help portal , because I'm sure of it's name, but later. HereToHelp 23:03, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
• Ok, speaking of archiving, I went ahead and got all the responses on my talk page. If you want to save youself the trouble, go and copy and paste it to your (this) page. HereToHelp 01:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for supporting my RfA. I will use my new powers wisely! --Wikiacc (talk) 19:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Maintenance colab

Thanks for the heads up...while I was re-adding the link, I see the Community Portal still needs fixing up. Whee! -- Beland 23:01, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

List of national coats of arms

Best to break them out into a seperate list like List of non-sovereign nation flags. Certainly basing the main list on List of Soverign states does make life much easier from the POV side of things. You might like to add a comment to Talk:List of sovereign states (where I have mentioned you name) because if a line was added to that, then a link to "flags of" and "coat of arms of" might be the solution for both. Philip Baird Shearer 09:51, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Expellees

Sure Renata, I'll try to dig and come up with something. It's just something I knew all my life. The expellees were settled in the southern parts of former East Prussia. In fact, half of the population of the Warmińsko-Mazurskie Voivodship is descended from the expellees from Lithuania. My dentist's family was settled in Lidzbark Warmiński for example. Who told you it's not true? Space Cadet 00:28, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about "Reniu", but it just wrote itself. In Polish it means "dear Renata", that's it. I will temporarily delete the statement in question and find something to your satisfaction. Space Cadet 12:55, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Ukraine is a different story to me, because my own huge familiy was expelled from Lwów. I need to ask you something: Are you also questioning the expulsions of Germans from the "Recovered Territories" or just the expulsions of Poles from the former Eastern Poland. Space Cadet 15:13, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

bot question

It fixes many problems (such as people calling external links "weblinks" etc.) but yes, most of the problems it finds are capitalisation. It changes them to the capitalisation in general use and specified the the manual of style. thanks Martin 08:33, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you so much for nominating me for adminship, I wasn't really expecting it quite so soon. I am quite speechless!, although I still managed to blab on when answering the candidate questions on my RfA. I have added it to the main list as you requested. Please see Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Wackymacs. I have accepted the RfA and answered the questions. Heck...I'm even blabbing now *tapes my mouth shut* Many thanks again! — Wackymacs 19:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

• It is hard for you to say I should keep cool when someone was rude to me behind my back, and lots of people are voting unfairly on the basis of edit summaries and one wrongly tagged image. I am obviously not going to get the administrator tools because of a few idiots arguing over edit summaries and other silly reasons. How do I withdraw the RfA? — Wackymacs 06:59, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

RE: Some strange festival

Unfortunately, I can't answer with any "correct" answer, as I haven't specifically studied ancient Latvian traditions and festivals. However, my common sense tells me this was probably meant to be Katrīnas diena ('the day of Katrina', which nevertheless ocurs in November 25, not November 5), but I have never ever heard of any festivals associated with this date.

As far as I know, most of the articles in English Wikipedia that are about the mythology of ancient Latvia are from some strange source and need to be reviewed. --Jūzeris | Talk 21:54, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Diacrit

Greetings. Unfortunately, I had to temp block the user who was trying to make WP an umlaut-free zone! I think that I have reverted all of the removals. If it comes up again, let me know. Regards, --Fire Star 16:28, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

For determining sockpuppetry, you have to be a bit of a detective. You have to look at the timestamps of the edits, the area of the edits and the nature of the edits. Over time, patterns start to show themselves. For instance, Diacrit never discussed his edits at all. Does the new guy edit this way? Even so, it is an inexact science. Until it is clear, the best way to act in good faith is to treat the suspected sockpuppet as a different user. If the user vandalises, he gets warned 1, 2 or 3 times (depending on the nature of the vandalism) and gets blocked in turn if they continue. If a new one pops up immediately after that doing the same things, then the indefblockeduser and sockpuppet templates come into play. If the puppets (or their bots) are attacking just one page, or a small suite of pages over and over sometimes temp protecting the page(s) is a time saving option. Cheers, --Fire Star 16:44, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Wow! I take some time off and miss all the fun! I'm glad everybody pitched in the way they did. Cheers, --Fire Star 13:57, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Urgent vandal help needed

Diacrit (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) (blocked) - persistent user who creates numerous user names to remove Template:Foreignchar from various articles. Created user names include: User:Jeaijij, User:Agraman, User:Oagafauou, User:Qesecaue, User:Uefot, User:Huaelo, User:Bifo, User:Timoa, User:Feoouubiao, User:Eooaqinol, User:Xeuuces, and that's only ones I have caught on recent changes page. Most of them have only 1 edit. And list is growing every second! just look at new user log. Renata3 22:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

You should ask for help at WP:AN/I or WP:AIV. --cesarb 22:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I believe that every sockpuppet of the vandal up to the present time is blocked and their edits reverted. Unfortunately, this person seems to be using multiple IPs, so it's a bit problematic to block him by IP. -- Curps 12:36, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your comments. I enjoy WP and my enthusiasm shows no sign a waning although I think I shall move to a differnt task soon, maybe go over some of thiose stubs and turn them into proper articles. I agree with you about the edit summary but I get lazy. ping 07:27, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

FireFox RFA

Renata3/archives

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Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (96/2/0), so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any queries about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Again, thanks!

FireFox 19:08, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Fair use for coa

You wrote (on my talk page): Thanks for your answer fair use for coa, but I am bringing this here. Hope you don't mind. I have uploaded all the coa's in List of cities in Lithuania and some more. But what I should do now? Redraw them? Most of them are from geraldika.ru, ngw.nl, litva.lt, or crwflags.com. Very few are from gov sites.

Note: I have no idea what is fair use (even though I have read the wiki article about it) and I hate law. So if you could just tell me what to do... :) Also my graphic abilities on scale from 0 to 10 are about 1. So redrawing them is not really an option for me. Renata3 20:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't have a simple answer. You could ask for someone qualified to redraw them; or you could post this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fair use and ask for a clearer guideline there; or you could use a template which claims fair use and try to proved a proper rationale; or you could not have images of the coats of arms.

Fair use is a tricky but important legal doctrine in US copyright law. It says that when you use a limited amout of an admittedly copyrighted work for a proper purpose, in a way that doesn't hurt the copyright owner too much, you are acting leagally. Ther is no automatic formula for what is and what sin't fair use. The only way you know for sure that soemthing is fair use is if soemone sues you for copyright infringmenbt, you defend on the grounds of fair use, adn the court rules in your favor. it is very much a case by case question, and depends hevily on the facts of the particular case. You can be almost sure if soemone esle has used a simialr copyrighted work in much the same way, and has won in court. If there has been no court case very similer to yours, then you have to tro ro reason from less similar cases, adn guess what the court would do if you were sued. Fair use is a defense, which means it is only raised by someone who has been sued for copyright infringment. The classic form of fair use is a book reviewer who quotes passages from the book under reveiw to analyze them, or the teacher who makes copies of a passage for his class, to serve as the basis for a lesson or discussion. Note that in both cases the person using the copyrighted work is analyzing or discussing thst work, not just copying it. Note also that neither uses the whole work, only a small part of it. Note that neither is at all likely to hurt the comercial intersts of the copyright holder -- people will not refrain from buying a book because they can read a reveiw instead. Note also that both uses are of a kind generally considered socially beneficial. These are the kinds of factors considered when determing whether a use of copyrighted materiel is fair use.

Wikipedia tends to be suspicious of fair use, partly because it is often claimed by people who realy mean "I don't have any right to use this, but i want to and don't think it does any harm". Also, sicne part of what makes soemthign fair use is whether it is being used in a commercial setting, contet that is acceptable fair use for wikipedia itself might not be for comercial mirrors and re-users of wikipedia content. Also fair use is specific to US copyright law, and similar concepts in the laws of other countries where they exist, are much more restrictive. Because of all of this, our fair use policies are rather more restritive than the law probably requires.

I'm sorry not to be more help, this is a tricky and complex subject, and much depends on the exact source of the content being sued, who the copyright holder is, and exactly how it is being used. DES ^(talk) 21:42, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Copied from User Talk:DESiegel: Ok, thanks for such a long answer. But are coa's copyrighted? I mean, some family coa might be, but governmental? If I would redraw them, how somebody would say that I did not just copy paste it from somewhere, because they all are the same. There is one original, confirmed by a decrete by the president and then it is reproduced by others. How do I reproduce reproduction so it could be released to public domain?

I just read a copyright law by the Lithuanian government. Now it reads (official translation):

Article 5. Works not Attributed to the Subject Matter of Copyright

1. Copyright shall not apply to:

3) official state symbols and insignia (flags, coat-of-arms, anthems, banknote designs, and other state symbols and insignia);

Now the question is: are city, municipality and county coa's official state symbols?

Ah, I loved that template... Such a no-brainer... And I hate law. :) Renata3 03:28, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Well in traditional heraldry, the only official think is the balzon, the written description, and different heraldic artists can do different versions of the CoA which all match the blazon, but are not identical in artistic detail, and which would be subject to copyright by the artist or the artist's employer. In more modern use, particuarlly by a goverment or institution, the actual visual form would be official, and all correct versions would be direct copies. In the latter case there is less of a copyright issue, IMO.

I think CoA's probably are "State symbols" under the above law, but not every country has that law -- some claim copyright in state symbols, I think. I think the above law would be reason enouigh to create {{tl:LithuanianStateSymbol}} which would declare that anything taggeds with it was a Lithuanian state symbol, and exempt from copyright under that law. if you send me the details on the source of the law (so that I can cite it proerply -- I mean it's official titel or number or whatever, and where you got the official translation) I will create that template, and that will solve the probelm for Lithuanian governmental CoAs. DES ^(talk) 15:19, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of theatres in Mumbai

Could you please revisit this AFD. I think you might want to consider changing your vote based on the comments I added. - Mgm|^(talk) 14:47, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you for your comments. Well, the thing which I would like to stress is that the oppose votes is based on WP:NOT, but fails to mention the exact criteria. "Indiscriminate information" does not apply here as it has limits. I'll try and clean it up, though I have very little time on my hands till next week. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:30, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

I have attempted to clean up the article. Added a lead, references and an image. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:59, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Didn't have much time, but I have neatened it. I don't know if that will change your vote though. (I am really hard pressed for time to improve it any further at the moment) =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

The Great Scandal

Just to report addition of links, the one naming it The Great Scandal, from India, I consider a good round up . Not sure its strong about the German Monarchy restoration 1929/30 conspiracy. One's head spins with source and era . It costs time , I know , but you could do a quick check for NPOV or what . ps WP's 80 hours a day sometimes , year in yr out . thanx? EffK 17:02, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Paper Clips Project, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Deir

Hello, Renata. Do you know what happened to DeirYassin? I haven't seen him here in a while... Halibutt 02:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

No, of course I don't take it too much to my heart, though I do take it personally (as people are judging who I am, which is a pretty personal thing). As to my alleged or real bias I would be really glad if you provided me with some diffs and links. Perhaps not now, perhaps after this whole RfA ends, but it would really be helpful. So far many people accused me of bias or pushing some irrational POV, though seldom was I able to speak of some specific issues. Anyway, take care and say hello to Deir once you meet him. In a way I miss him as we still have lots of open issues and there are not enough Lithuanian speakers to help us with the sources... Halibutt 03:08, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

No need to be sorry about the spelling, it's 5AM here and I've been at work for some 24 hours now. A new day is starting and it will not end any time soon...

A to your comments - I must say that I'm quite puzzled as I remember the whole thing differently. I listened to all proposals and decided to stay with mine. At the same time I also work on finding some better solution (together with Piotrus, Irpen and many other guys) to suit all and fit in all articles on cities, be them in Poland, Ukraine or Rwanda. Anyway, it's kind of sad when people remember you as the person to refuse to accept some crazed users trying to pretend that the city in question was Lithuanian since times immemorial and not as the guy who wrote most of the article on Vilnius, or whatever you want to call that city. So, basically, people critisize me for defending my point of view at the talk pages, sometimes completely forgetting that the article pages are in most cases unaffected by the content disputes... Anyway, have a good day/night. Halibutt 04:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

I wonder if we can find a single unbiased (100% NPOV) editor at wiki. As users of various nationalites who have cast their support behind him have attested, Halibutt is always willing to discuss and reach a consensus. But if you know of some events that disprove this, please let me know. Otherwise, maybe you should reconsider your vote for neutral? Or do you really think that Halibutt would abuse the admin rights if he was given them?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 05:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Sure, I can understand that - I just wanted to make sure you were certain about your vote and the difference between opposing somebody and being neutral. I'd have thought that Halibutt defence of Vilnus against Zvinbudas vandal would have earned him the respect and friendship of most Lithuanian editors. I wish DY was here, I'd very much like to see his vote there (can you contact him on wiki-lt perhaps?). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 06:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Same time here (I am now in Pittsburgh :>). It's kind of funny how people tend to remember the controversies and forgot the good deeds - but this is life (and we all know what's her nickname :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 06:34, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

DY has voted in support of Halibutt and added an extensive comment. Would this cause you to review your vote? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 19:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

How so? I am all for constructive criticism, so I'd appreciate the info what I could have done better.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 20:50, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. WikiThanks.

I would like to express my thanks to all the people who took part in my (failed) RfA voting. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! I was also surprised by the amount of people who stated clearly that they do care, be it by voting in for or against my candidacy. That's what Wiki community is about and I'm really pleased to see that it works.
As my RfA voting failed with 71% support, I don't plan to reapply for adminship any more. However, I hope I might still be of some help to the community. Cheers! Halibutt 05:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the barnstar. I'm not sure I deserved it being a conflict user, but still. That was nice, especially considering your lack of faith in me. Halibutt 21:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Centre for Cartography letter ?

Hi Renata, I'm curious, was there any success to your letter to Vilnius University Cartography Center ? --Lysy ^(talk) 19:13, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Street Fighter template

I've put the width back to 100%, but I'd really rather keep the ndash's for now (tho I did replace them with the unicode ndash (not to be confused with a hyphen on ye olde keyboard) so they wouldn't look so ugly when viewed/edited). BTW, sorry for the lag time in responding, I missed your reply till today! :( —Locke Cole ^{(talk) (e-mail)} 22:48, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Cheers

I am now an admin, and I simply wanted to say thank you for your support! Steve block talk 09:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

The Great Wikipedia Turkey-fest!

I did the relative thing at my brother's house on Thursday. Lots of fun, but I have a cold and so does my wife. Hers is pretty nasty, so she rested up here at home, I made the appearnace (and indulged in a great meal) and drove home that same night. With four days off, I've been spending more time doing other things. Too much fun.  :) - Lucky 6.9 02:44, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Happy and cheerful, yes. Wikipedia is a real downer this weekend. This site is getting really, really nuts. It's geting harder to contribute in positive ways, but I persist. - Lucky 6.9 03:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Yay! Unfortunately, I didn't bring home any turkey nor any of my mother's incredible stuffing. On the other hand, I'm going out for some fish tacos in a few minutes! Only in California. - Lucky 6.9 03:11, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Classic Rock

Hello. I was wondering if you would like to participate in my classic rock survey. I'm trying to find the most like classic rock song. There is more information on my user page. Hope you participate! RENTASTRAWBERRY ^{FOR LET?} röck 00:49, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Sponsored links

I'm rather afraid I can't... Angela came to Australia for a few days and I quizzed her on it. It's all verbal, I'm rather afraid! - Ta bu shi da yu 07:08, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

P.S. I never overly worry about what's going on in the Wiki. I just focus on my articles, and put my $0.02 in when I feel it warrants :) And I use WP:SIGN to keep me up to date! - Ta bu shi da yu 07:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I think it has already happened. However, you wouldn't notice it: it's on one tools page and answers.com is helping us by giving us a reciprocal royalty. I think it's a good thing, personally. It's hardly intrusive. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:16, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Lithuanian Copyright symbols

I noticed your post regarding Lithuanian law and copyright. This is probably farfetched but I was wondering if Latvia passed similar laws. See, I am trying to upload the flag of Courland,http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/lv-cour.html, but it appears that copyright would prohibit it unless a special case would apply. The flag is sourced from a 1936 book, and is of a former nation. So I don't know if it would qualify even with the law, or if it would qualify because it is no longer a nation. Sorry, this post was a bit of a ramble. Have a good day! Falphin 03:54, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for your reply. I'll see if anyone their knows. I don't have any tools on my computer to redraw the flag, and I have tried finding a free program on the net but haven't been successful.(Probably just looking in the wrong places). Thanks again. Falphin 19:51, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Rune stone, categories - information out of control

Remembered your comments from my talk page, and just wanted to let you know of some suggestions & tests being thought upon at Talk:Rune_stone. If you have some time, I'd appreciate your input or suggestions! Mceder 01:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Nandrolone Decanoate

Hey Renata...I removed the copyvio portions from Nandrolone Decanoate (i.e., most of the article), as well as the speedy delete tag. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on perhaps renaming the article in accordance with the names given on the page referenced in the stub. Tomer^talk 04:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I.e., Deca Durabolin or Nandrolone ... Tomer^talk 04:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... nevermind :-) I'm gonna turn it into a redirect to Nandrolone and include the Reference link in that article. Cheers, Tomer^talk 04:05, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

RE: Adminship, thanks :-); RE: Anabolics, yeah, I was never a big fan of Chemistry either. :-p; RE: that article, the only part that wasn't a copyvio was the first sentence and a half.  :-p Tomer^talk 04:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Ugh. I don't have time to take care of it right now, but it looks like all of that user's contribs are essentially expansion on copyvios. :-\ Tomer^talk 04:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Mai Neng Moua

I've restored it - 700 seems notable enough to me. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 04:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

www.wga.hu

Dear Renata, I think I had a bit of new-born-user when I wrote that. Yes, I received a generic permission through e-mail from one of the www.wga.hu webmasters, but later administrator criticed me for I moved tons of material and pictures from that site to Wikipedia. Somewhere I read that their images are public domains, however. But I can't be more specific, sorry. Hugs from Attilios.

Labas! About rewriting them... yow!, I asked to used their text exactly 'cause I feel terrific to write about art. That's difficult... And I'm not a master in English, just currently trying to learn to write better. Ate. Attila. P.S.: "Ate" and "Labas" are exactly all my knowledge of Lithuanian. How about your Italian?

So how far did it get? Can those articles stay? I would like to end it once and for all. Renata3 22:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

• Hi, can you fill me in on where you fit in this. I don't remember speaking to you about the WGA problem. -- JJay 22:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Please take part in the improval of this article

Hello. I would like to inform you that there is an ongoing discussion at article Territorial claims of the Baltic States (formerly was known as "Lost territories of the Baltic States", but was recently renamed; some users seems to disagree with that renaming). Recent edits as well were accused of POV, and, in fact, article was disputed for a long time already. There are currently no Lithuanian contributors to that article, therefore your opinion is much needed. It would be nice if you would add that article to your watchlist and continue helping to improve it until a decition will be reached about its future (there is currently a poll about it in the article's talk page). I hope together we all will be able to make that article neutral. Kaiser 747 10:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Picture

Hi! I'm having trouble uploading my photo. The photo is in public domain. The image first appeared on Government public access t.v. Channel 17 in Burlington, Vermont in 2004. It was re-aired on C-Span as public domain. http://crisericson.com and http://chrisericson.com Every time I try to upload it I recieve a message that says: "." is not a recommended image file format. Have any ideas? crisericson@ispwest.com

Partitions of Poland

Would you take a look at talk:Partitions of Poland. We are discussing a possible change of the name of the article there and I believe that a Lithuanian perspective view would be helpful. --Lysy ^(talk) 10:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Subdivisions

Hi, Renata! I can tell you for sure that I do have that information. Problem is, it's very scattered and unorganized (which is, along with the lack of time, is the reason why I stopped working on the project for a while). The other thing is that most of it is in Russian. If you have no problem with Russian (which is probably not the case, because it's not in your Babel box), I'll be more than glad to ship you everything I have so far. If Russian is an obstacle, I can translate the bulk of the information so you'll have a good starting point, but that may take a while (and a long while at that). Please let me know what you prefer.

And, hey, great job on Subdivisions of Lithuania! A very interesting and a high-quality article so far.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 02:16, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Please check your mailbox—I sent you some materials you might find useful.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 16:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Bernardines

No, they are not exactly the same but the redirect is the best could be done now. You're right that all this is a bit confusing. The orders divided, joined and changed their names throughout history. To make it more complicated, the names and other datails are often different in various countries. Benedictines is one of the names used in Poland (and Lithuania ?) to call one of the Franciscan orders: Friars Minor. I'm not sure if this name is recognized in English, but I've created the redirect in hope to avoid some confusion (but I created more instead ?). --Lysy ^(talk) 09:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

You may be right, that this is something different. Probably that's the matter of wrong (and naive) translation. Need to investigate. --Lysy ^(talk) 13:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Pažaislis monastery

If you have a minute, maybe you could take a look at and hopefully improve Pažaislis monastery, a small article that I've started recently but do not have enough information to expand. --Lysy ^(talk) 09:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

You've been barnstarred!

I hereby award you the Tireless Contributor Barnstar for your monumental edits to Lithuanian litas. Keep up the great work! ナイトスタリオン ✉ 15:34, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Reply re:your Partitions of Poland inquiry

Crossposted with my user talk page.

Wow, the discussion for some reason reminds me of that at Talk:Oleg of Chernihiv and Talk:Mikhail of Chernihiv. It is a mix of nationalism, Wikipedia policy issues, common English use issues, the terms used by other encyclopedias and literature on the subject. All in all, I believe it boils down to the general naming policy of Wikipedia, except in this case we are not talking of the name of a place, but of how the series of events should be named. I'd recommend to bring this to a higher level by initiating something like Wikipedia:Naming conventions/Geographic names; only, of course, it would be regarding the names of historic events.

I also choose not to participate in the discussion—partially because I am not so sure myself which name is better, partially because I am going to be eaten by both Polish and Lithuanian editors :), and partially because it looks like a time committment I cannot afford at this time. I am sure, though, that you will be able to find other Russian editors who would be delighted to participate.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 16:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thank you for awarding me a barnstar. I, perhaps, do not completely deserve it, both because the project is not finished and because I had too much fun working on it :) I will wear it with pride, though. Thank you!—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 16:26, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Polish monarchs

Hi Renata3, I think the situation with Polish monarchs is different. The naming has been giving historians headaches for a long time. There's no real consensus so we're trying to hash it out on the talk page. As far the the PoP/PoPLC is concerned, I don't believe Google results are the answer to everything. The argument I've been trying to make for not moving the article consists of two parts: 1) that PoP is a valid term 2) that PoP is used *much* more often than any other term. I provide the Google results to prove the second part by illustrating the overwhelming difference in usage. If there difference wasn't so dramatic, I wouldn't be opposed to the move. Appleseed (Talk) 00:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, sorry about not being precise with my Google comment. It's my understanding that some folks on WP use Google like it's the be-all and end-all. I was only trying to say that the Google results were only one part of my argument, and the reason I was using them was because they were so dramatic. Appleseed (Talk) 02:21, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Regarding your suggestion to create a disambig page--even before the proposal to move the PoP article, I was going to create "main articles" for each of the partitions with links from PoP. But by turning the PoP article into a disambig page, we would have a disambig where other languages have an actual article. More imporantly, we would still need to come up with titles for the three partitions. I assume you would prefer First Partition of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth rather than First Partition of Poland. But what about the second and third ones, which occurred after the May 3 Constitution? If you do not want to call it the Second Partition of Poland, would calling it the Second Partition of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth be valid? Appleseed (Talk) 02:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Request for English verifying

Hi. I extensively rewrote the article St. Sebastian (Mantegna). As I'm not so confident about my English, can I ask you to jump there for a minute and correct savagely what you feel bad written? Thanks. Attilios.

My RFA

Hey Renata3! Thanks for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was an unanimous (45/0/0), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, or have a question, please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 03:38, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Note

Hello. Firstly, thank you for contributing at the article Territorial claims of the Baltic States and its discussion. I would like to notify you that I will leave to Frankfurt soon where I will spend quite much time; thus I won't be on Wikipedia for long. Therefore, I would like to ask you and others to continue to contribute there and watch that a solution would be reached, factually accurate name would be chosen, and the article wouldn't just stay disputed forever as it used to be previously. Check the article from time to time (or, even better, put it on watch list) and if you will see that no one discusses anything anymore nor edits the article for a long time (e.g. a week), try to act by implementing voting decition and such. Good luck! (you shouldn't reply to this by the way as most likely I won't be able to check Wikipedia anytime soon as I will leave quickly). Merry Christmas to you :) .Kaiser 747 09:51, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Paksas, litas ir t. t.

Sveika. Ačiū už žinutę. Vistiek apie Lietuvą angliškai wikipedi'joje straipsnių yra, ir kai kas yra pasakyta. Tobulinti reikėtų, be abejonės. Gaila aš pats užsiėmęs dar vienu savanorišku neatlyginamu darbu, tai laisvalaikį tenka dalinti pusiau. Todėl ir pasirodau daug rečiau negu galėčiau kąnors esmingesnio nuveikti. Dėl lito, tai aš šiokios tokios medžiagos turiu, tik neturiu litų nuotraukų. Bet tas gali užtrukti. Dar mano disketėje guli būtinos ir svarbiausios pataisos Vilniui, istorijos skyreliui. Ten yra didelė klaida, sakant, kad Lietuviai iškeitė nepriklausomybę į Vilnių. Taip tikrai nebuvo, bet Lenkams, matyt, šita versija bus patikusi. Taip ir nepaleidžiu tų pataisų. Taip pat ir su Paksu pradėjau. Bet ten jau buvo gerokai sąmoningai iškraipytai pradėta rašyti, nesinorėjo laukti. Parašiau į discussions pslpį nieko nekeisdamas todėl, kad norėjau pažiūrėti, kas čia per žmonės taip “pagražino” Pakso aprašymą, ar puls jie atitaisinėti ir t. t. Nepagalvok, kad norėjau tam parašyti, kad kažkas kitas būtinai imtų ir taisytų. Dabar atrodo viskas ramu: kažkada jau galėsiu užsiimti ir pataisyti.

Beje, nemėgstu aš tų lietuvių-lenkų karų wikipedi'joje. Jeigu ir dalyvauju, tai tik, kaip sakau, kad kažkam vistiek reikia.

Tai tiek. Pasistengsiu, jei kada išpešiu laisvesnę minutę, prisėsti prie wikipedi'jos. Linas Lituanus 13:59, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Gerai. Dėl lito bus. Jeigu nesuspėsiu angliškai, tai bent lietuviškai atsiųsiu svarbiausius duomenis. Turiu gerą straipsnį apie tai. Tik ten nuotraukos laikraštinės kokybės kaip maždaug sakiau. Pats galiu tik 2 ir 5 litų (pagrindinio leidimo monetų) nuotraukas padaryti – turiu monetas :)) (juokauju...tikėkimės nereikės). Ir Tau linksmų švenčių. Linas Lituanus 16:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

ĮDĖJAU LIETUVIŠKAI medžiagos apie litą. Linas Lituanus 16:20, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Reply by SCA

I didn't intend to offend you. This is not an argument to "throw away Lithuania" at all (I'm married to a Lithuanian from Vilnius!), but rather an argument against the more complex title for the partitions on an English-speaking site. All we're talking about is the title. If I were Lithuanian, I might feel sad that few English speakers know anything about my country, but I wouldn't take offense over it. Anyhow, Atleiskite. Sca 18:38, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I know they don't know. And it's ok with me as long as they show at least a tiny bit of interest and willingness to know. But to say "Ah, I don't care; I can't find on the map, I cannot pronounce the name, and thus it does not exist for me" - I take it deep into my heart. And that's exactly what were you saying (in very different words, though). Renata3 18:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

No, that's not what I was saying. You misunderstood. Sca 02:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Krzysztof Zygmunt Pac, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Gurubrahma 06:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Voice samples

Hi there! Recording voice samples is fairly easy. If you're using Window$ XP, then you don't have to install the microphone, just connect it to the correct port (micro port, not the headphones) and it should work fine. If it still does not work, you might want to check the sound volume settings, at times the micro is muted by default - just uncheck the box then and it should work just fine.

As to the software used, I strongly reccomend Audacity. It's the best program out there, it's free and it's easy to use. As to the tips and tricks - after recording the sample, you might want to separate the stereo onto two channels and save only one of them in mono, it is much lighter and the quality is just fine. Also, try to cut out as much silence as you can, it saves a lot of space. Halibutt 12:48, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

It's great! I thought I might critisize it, but alas! there's nothing to critisize for me :) As to other tips - apparently your microphone is much better than mine. In most of my voice samples I have to do quite some work to de-noise the background (Audacity is good at it, BTW). Halibutt 12:10, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Your recent contribution(s) to the Wikipedia article Krzysztof Zygmunt Pac are very much appreciated. However, you did not provide references or sources for your information. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and as you might be aware there is currently a drive to improve the quality of Wikipedia by encouraging editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. If sources are left unreferenced, it may count as original research, which is not allowed. Can you provide in the article specific references to any books, articles, websites or other reliable sources that will allow people to verify the content in the article? You can use a citation method listed at How to cite sources. Thanks! mikka (t) 21:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Howcheng's RfA

Thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship. I was successfully promoted with a final tally of 74/0/0. I will endeavour not to let you down. Thanks again. howcheng {chat} 07:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Spinmaster plantpot AFD

Hi, I was reminded by User:Search4Lancer that you recently tried to close the Spinmaster plantpot article. I deeply appreciate your help, but there's some times when an AFD closure is best left to an admin. Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Non-Administrators_closing_discussions is a great place to read about it. I've went ahead and finished it. Good luck on your quest for Adminship. If you have any questions, please ask. --LBMixPro^{<Speak|on|it!>} 09:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Closing AfDs

Hi Renata3. Regarding your closing of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anathemacious, as a non-admin, you should only close AfDs that do not result in a Delete. Consensus for delete should only be reached by an admin. I used to close VfDs (the precursor to AfDs) back when I was a non-admin, and I would never touch the delete results, not matter how overwhelming. Thanks, and keep up the good work! --Deathphoenix 16:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I know. Thanks. Renata3 16:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

No problems. Seeing as how you do good work, including janitorial work, you might want to pursue adminship at some point in the near future. :-) --Deathphoenix 17:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Cynna Neele/archive1

I'm really not sure what you want me to add. Would you be able to be a bit more specific? Ambi 00:08, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Kaunas

As a general rule, if I find a bunch of articles on a particular topic or linked by a very strong common theme, such as location, I tend to make a category for them. There certainly are quite a few article about Kaunas, so I don't see why a cateogory is inappropriate. Often, once a category is created, other articles start being put in, including ones that are hard or impossible to navigate to from the main article (in this case, Kaunas). Logically, you're right that Kaunas belongs in Kaunas County, not the other way round, but Lithuanian geography (unlike Poland) hasn't been categorised by county, so for the moment the best fit is to put the Kaunas County article into the Kaunas category. The best solution would be to make a Kaunas County category, then make the Kaunas category a subcat of that, but since that would involve (for consistency) categorising all of Lithuania by county, I haven't done it (at least not yet!). Thanks for the comment.

---

Thanks for the feedback. You may have noticed that I've made a start on categorising by County, but I am having trouble distinguishing cities/towns/villages, except that sometimes populations seem absurdly small for a "city" - I wonder if "city" has a particular meaning in Lithuania? This would seem to be suggested by the apparently comprehensive List of cities in Lithuania. A lot of the stub articles are pretty dire, often not stating the county/municipality of the settlement, which doesn't help matters! And there's a lot of towns and "cities" appearing in red, which is a bad sign. It is worth remembering that some East European states have stubs about many of their villages - Lithuania shows signs of having been neglected a bit! I'd appreciate any help that you could give me by putting down some decent stubs for the left-out towns/cities/villages and trying to sort out what the city vs town business is all about... Also, I note that various Lithuanian articles about buildings or institutions don't specify what city/town they are in, which is a bit annoying! Any blanks you could fill in would be welcome. Many thanks, --TheGrappler 02:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Science collaboration of the week

You voted for Human genome to be improved while it was listed on WP:IDRIVE. This article is now nominated on Wikipedia:Science collaboration of the week. Please consider supporting it with your vote. --Fenice 13:18, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you, and thanks for the reminder about sources. I'll make a point of it. --Robth^Talk 20:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Greek literature a candidate at the Wikipedia:European Union collaboration

You have supported Greek literature at the WP:IDRIVE some time ago. I have now renominated it at the new Wikipedia:European Union collaboration. Please consider supporting it there if you are still interested! --Fenice 13:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Paul Kane

Thanks a lot for your detailed comments. See Talk:Paul Kane about the image placement. You might be seeing white space if you're using a small font, but placing them differently separates the images from the text relating to them. Maybe we'll just have to write more text in that "works" section. Oh, and the article already is on FAC (with a clean record of six supports so far :-). Maybe User:Captmondo can find the book, he's located in Toronto... Lupo 14:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

My first barnstar.

Lotsofissues 18:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

There are many others with more edits who aren't admins. Editing is an anonymous task, especially in such a large community, so, I guess, those who are nominated faster formed friendship bonds here. Lotsofissues 19:09, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks I would be happy to accept your nomination.  :-) Lotsofissues 19:15, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again, I have filled out the form. Lotsofissues 23:12, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Pavarai !

Geras, neblogai darbuojiesi Lietuvos vardan sioj Vikipedijoj... Triusas nenueis veltui. Aciu ! Veneto 16:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

User_talk:Tobias_Conradi#Dab_pages

User_talk:Tobias_Conradi#Dab_pages Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

COA

Renata, I'm from Tbilisi, Georgia and i have a question - will you finally STOP adding parts of Georgia to a list of sovereign states? I'm sick and tired of correcting this marasmic blunder, which you are so stubbornly "reverting". Probably you want Klaipeda's coat of arms to appear in a sovereign states' coat of arms list?

As to the list of the sovereign states: you should read it CAREFULLY. I am sure you know about the difference between a sovereign state and an unrecognized (de facto independent) state. As you could notice, I don't touch the flag list of the unrecognized states. I will (or somebody else will) "touch" it, when the de facto situation changes, which possibly will take place quite soon. But there is a difference between an UNRECOGNIZED state and a sovereign state like Spain or South Africa. The flags and coat of arms of the unrecognized states should be in the unrecognized states' lists, not in the lists of the sovereign states' flags and coat of arms.

Look, I have told this before: all complaints go to List of sovereign states. As long as the state/territory/whatever is in the list, its COA is in the gallery. Simple. The only thing I can do is to add a note. Renata 19:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Barnstarred!

		An Award
		I, —Nightstallion (?), award this Tireless Contributor Barnstar to Renata for her grand work on Counties of Lithuania.

General picture ideas

Hi! I have an idea for more NYC pictures. Why not take pictures of NYC schools, e.g. Forest Hills High School of Forest Hills, Queens. WhisperToMe 02:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: Yes, it's a lot of schools. If you want, you can only do the ones in your (or one) borough and let the others in your Wikiproject do the rest.

EDIT: A few other pictures:

• Manhattan
  • Bard High School Early College
  • Hunter College High School
  • Fiorello H. LaGuardia High School of Music & Art and Performing Arts
  • High School of Art and Design
  • High School for Math, Science and Engineering at City College
• Brooklyn
  • Benjamin Banneker Academy
  • Brooklyn Technical High School
  • Edward R. Murrow High School
  • William Howard Taft High School (New York City)
  • Midwood High School
• Queens
  • Cardozo High School (New York City)
  • Thomas A. Edison High School (New York City)
  • Hillcrest High School (New York City)
  • Jamaica High School (New York City)
  • Van Buren High School
  • Queens High School for the Sciences
• Bronx
  • Walton High School (New York City)

WhisperToMe 02:37, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Transportation in NYC

Hello Renata - I notice you're a member of WikiProject New York City. Check out the Transportation in New York City sub article. It tells a fascinating story and it's been nominated to be a US Collaboration of the Week after lots of work over the last few weeks. Check it out and if you like it, please vote for it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:USCOTW We need all the votes we can get! Wv235 04:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Maura

Why should Maura be redirected to Maura Tierney? Would you like someone looking for information on your name to be redirected to Renata Daninsky? Maura Tierney is only one of 225 entries to come up in a search for Maura. 165.123.137.141 18:49, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

RfA review

I received your message requesting an RfA review. I'd be glad to conduct the review. However, please understand I am currently badly back logged on significant requests. It took me more than two weeks to get around to completing Chairboy's RfA, and I have another one in the queue before your review.

I'd like to ask that you don't consider Wikipedia to be ungrateful if nobody nominates you. As you note, you work in more obscure areas to a significant extent. This means you're not going to get as readily noticed. It has nothing to do with gratefulness, and everything to do with happening to cross in front of someone's eyes who has an eye towards nominating people. There are lots and lots of great editors who never catch an RfA nominator's eye. I've nominated one or two myself, but only after I dug around looking for editors such as them.

I'd also like to make request; as you're well aware I'm sure, WTC 7 collapsed on September 11, 2001. There's a new building nearing completion on the property, but Wikipedia does not have a photograph of it. You live in NYC. Would you please go down there and take a few photos and upload the best one of the bunch and place it at 7 World Trade Center? The image currently there is an artist's rendition of what it looks like, not an actual photograph. --Durin 14:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Municipalities in Lithuania.png

I suspected that this might have a problem so I asked a colorblind Wikipedian. He said that he "can't really tell "Marijampole" and "Kaunas" apart". Designing a color palate usable for all forms of colorblindness seems very hard but would it be possible to make heavier (thicker) lines for the borders of the counties? Changing intensities of colors which border each other could also help. Rmhermen 23:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, it's much better now. Klaipeda became pretty dark though and it's not easy to read the black text on a dark background. Maybe it's only my crappy laptop screen, though. I appreciate the effort you put into this. Great job! -- nyenyec ☎ 03:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

'Proto'

Wow, I didn't know it meant something in Lithuanian. It means 'first' or 'early' in Greek (like in prototype, protoplasm, and so on.) That's cool, thanks! :D Proto t c 16:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Nationality

Good afternoon. With my utmost respect I want to notify you of an important fact that there are mistakes in the particular articles relating to the municipalities of the Republic of Lithuania, such as Vilnius city municipality, Varėna district municipality and, most probably, some others as well (thus do check all the respective articles please)- namely, the word "nationality" is used incorrectly in the demography section of the mentioned articles when it reffers to "nationality makeup" as in the English language the word "nationality" generally tends to mean the citizenship that a person holds rather than the ethnicity and the ethnicity clearly is the thing that is meant to be mentioned there in those articles; hence I do believe that you should change these words in the mentioned articles from "nationality makeup" to "ethnic makeup" as such words would be better. Regehani tara bahera! Dara Fryram hani tahreha! 09:51, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I did manage to do the beforementioned changes to the (some of the) articles in question myself now, but I edited out the mistake which I have mentioned previously only of Vilnius city municipality and Varena district municipality articles and while I don't know for sure if they appear anywhere else, it seems this form of the statistics table, with its titles and style, is some kind of standart for the "Demography" sections of the articles about the municipalities of the Republic of Lithuania, therefore I urge you to check the other articles(you probably know what municipalities there are in the Republic of Lithuania and how are those articles called, as you seem to have edited them relatively much yourself - which is the reason why I have decided to contact you regarding this matter on the first place) if there is this mistake repeated in any of them, and if there is, then edit the mistake out so that the users of Wikipedia would not be misled into believing that it is typed about nationality there, rather than ethnicity - I would like to confirm once again that those two are different things. Regehani tara bahera! Dara Fryram hani tahreha! 10:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the input. I'll definitely check. And welcome to Wikipedia! Renata 15:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

WTC 7 pics

Thanks so much Renata! The pics will do nicely. --Durin 18:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Gediminas move

About the move you decided to complain about on my page. This was a page was moved by Szopen as a cut and paste, and no-one realised. I moved it back. Maybe it might have been better for you to complain there. Thanks - Calgacus 23:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Calgacus is involved in quite a few moving wars, and I was forced to protect from move the Władysław II Jagiełło page (you may want to comment on it's talk, btw). He also messed up the talk page there, but I restored it. It's a pain, though.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 16:30, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I.e. two. The first, Gediminas, Duke of Lithuania, was wrong title which I corrected. Do you want to restore it or something? You're going around slandering me in behaviour unbefitting someone with admin privileges, and it isn't appreciated.

I messed up the talk page on Władysław II Jagiełło? You never pointed that out to me. I don't believe you, so would you mind proving it? - Calgacus 16:46, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I am not Calgacus nanny :) Now about Jogaila/Jagiello you deal with it. I have decided that naming wars are the most counter-productive activity in WP. I want to write some real articles, not to argue about two words... Renata 17:44, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

If you want no more move wars, please cast your vote on Talk:Gediminas, Grand Duke of Lithuania. I can't agree that Gediminas' title was inferior to that of the Polish king. --Ghirla | talk 19:17, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Kurów

Hi. Could you please write a stub http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w - just a few sentences based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w ? Only 2 -5 sentences enough. Please.

PS Sorry, but I'm nervous because User:Koavf doing accounts on all wikis and he is lying. Pietras1988 08:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi/User Page Award :-D

Huh? Renata 01:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello I apologise for my mis-message of "hi" I was reaching for backspace and hit enter by mistake:-|... I would like to let you know that I had to remove your nomination of Bratsche from here. The process has already started and nominations can no longer be accepted until the next contest. For future note only 15 nominations and 5 judges at a time may be listed on that page. I hope you understand, nominate him again next week if you like..I'll let you know when the next contest is going to happen if you want me to just leave a note. Thanks KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 01:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Sure this section gives more details on the project. To become a judge you have to wait until the contest ends, i'll let you know when that happens, or you can just follow it :-D. After a winner is announced either Banes, Rune.welsh, or myself will clear the judges names from that section. Just be one of the first 5 users to sign your name and you are a judge! KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 06:21, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

This is very important you must be a member of Esperanza, if you're not you may sign up here. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 06:23, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:Audio

Hi, you in edit summary said that there is a new speaker icon, but the template renders like this: . Is this what you intended? Renata 06:20, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it works correctly for me and others who have tried it. What browser are you using? Have you refreshed your cache? (Shift+Reload, Ctrl+F5, or something similar) — Omegatron 13:07, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Maps

Labas, pagaminau fizinį žemėlapį Image:LithuaniaPhysicalMap-lt.svg ir pagalvojau kad žinosi atsakymus į porą su tuo susijusių klausimų - gal toks žemėlapis yra reikalingas EN Wikipedijoje ir jei taip, gal žinai kur rasti visdokių aukštumų/žemumų/plynaukščių/lygumų/kalvagūbrių angliškus pavadinimus, kad galėčiau padaryt anglišką versiją? Ačiū. Beje, žemėlapis gan detalus, tai jei reiks - visada prašom naudoti upių, ežerų ar dar ko nors paryškinimui. Knutux 16:21, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Apology

Hi, I am that anonymus user, you had problems with.

Now, as the matter is ended, I have a "cold head" already and see that during some bitter discussions I overreacted one or two times towards you and as a result was somehow rough. So, I would like to apologize.

Ya xochu ubrat etu glupuiu nadpis pro klevetu. Ti bila neskolko nespravedliva, poetomu ya silno razozlilsia i napisal to chto napisal. Izvini eshe raz. Esli ti ne protiv ya sotru ee sam. Pirveli

Thanks

Hi, many thanks for the barnstar. I hope you don't mind that a Polish person is messing with Lithuanian articles. --_Lysy^talk 08:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

WIkipedia:Shortpages

Hi, I noticed you were involved with the creation of the subpages of Wikipedia:Shortpages, so I wanted to ask you a question. Are we supposed to remove redirects and disambig pages from thoses lists? Also, how many bytes is a good threshold for removing from the list due to expansion? {{User:Vacuum/sig}} 14:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. {{User:Vacuum/sig}} 01:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: My RfA

I certainly appreciate the encouragement. Thank you! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 21:20, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Nest step for UPA

In a few day's you'll get a message explaining a few things that you'll be expected to do as a judge, it will also have your 3 user pages to look over so you can choose your finalist. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 00:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza User Page Award

Hi Renata3/archives! You've signed up to be a judge for the Esperanza User Page Award! You'll be assigned three user pages to examine. Pick your favorite one and award it 1-10 points in four categories:

• Attractiveness: general layout, considering colour scheme and/or use of tables if applicable
• Usefulness: links to subpages or editing aids, helpful information
• Interesting-ness: quirky, unique, captivating, or funny content
• General niceness: at the judges' discretion

Please see the Scores section on this page for additional information on your job as a judge.

Keep in mind that your scores are a secret! Email KnowledgeOfSelf with your scores and final picks. Please contact him for information on how to email him. As soon as all the scores have been tallied, a winner will be announced! Thanks.

You'll have to choose your favorite amongst the following three user pages:

1. Sango123
2. Mailer diablo
3. FireFox

Thank you and good luck! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 21:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

User Page Award

Hey Renata, this is just a courtesy message letting you know that all 5 judges have selected a finalist and you may now email your scores for all 5 finalists to this week's "overseer". For convenience sake UPA Thanks KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 15:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Lenta

Lenta perkelta kur sakei DeirYassin 18:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for the Random Act of Kindness Barnstar! Warm fuzzies ahoy! :) --Ashenai 06:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Comm portal

I am happy to see that it drew your attention. I hope you are going to organize some nice redesign (with all that experience gained during the main page overhaul). All the best, Renata 13:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Putting together the Main Page alternates page was more fun than working on the Main Page, but the help page overhaul was even more fun still.  ;-) Thanks for the encouragement. --Go for it! 13:20, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Nėr už ką :)

Nėr už ką man dėkoti, tikiuosi, kad ilgainiui atsiras daugiau žmonių, kurie tos žvaigždės bus verti :) . Galėsi ją įteikinėti savo nuožiūra vėliau, kai atsiras daugiau labai aktyvių lietuvių. Na, o dabar linkiu tau greitai pasveikti. Sėkmės!

Mission accomplished

I'm done with the Community Portal merge/upgrade. I've implemented the Community Bulletin Board as you suggested, and have endeavored to jump-start it with as much news and as many announcements as I could find. If you spot any Wikipedia events that deserve posting, by all means please do so.

I've also tied it into all the relevant instruction sets, though I may have missed some.

The cheat sheet concept I didn't implement, because that would really crowd this page, which seems busy enough already. Also, I'm not familiar enough with the Wikipedia namespace yet to be able to compile such a list - it would take me days. --Go for it! 14:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Request for PROD

That's quite a brilliant idea, tracking the number of times that a prod link has been clicked on. I'll try to get that implemented ASAP. :) --Interiot 17:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Labas

Noreijau pasveikinti Jums anskčiau. Dirbsu ant gramatika. Dr. Dan 02:07, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Spoken template

commons:User:Renata3/samples: I've been making some changes, nothing major, "FYI" ;D! 68.39.174.238 03:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Note: I'm also mostly on the English WikipediA with the IP addr. 68.39.174.238 06:06, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I can't, remember? All I get is this crap saying "We don't have an article with this title, but you can create it if you log in or create an account. As an unregistered user, you may also submit the content that you wish to have created. Please read our introduction for more information about Wikipedia." Anyway, all of the usrpages that IPs had have been crap. 68.39.174.238 06:14, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

All I can create on the English WikipediA are Talk: pages. On other Wikimediawiki's I can create anything. O and don't bother with the Usr: page. 68.39.174.238 06:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:CBB

Well, users have started putting their announcments there already! Looks like we put it in the right place. The name you chose for it is perfect. --Go for it! 04:38, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Esperanzial note...

Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,
--Celestianpower ^háblame 09:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
(message delivered by FireFox using AWB on Celestianpower's behalf)

MOREOVER

Then she thought of the tale she had told to Hagen, though she durst not say a whit. The noble queen began to rue that she was ever born. Lord Siegfried's wife wept out of measure. She spake to the knight: "Let be your hunting. I had an evil dream last night, how two wild boars did chase you across the heath; then flowers grew red. I have in truth great cause to weep so sore. I be much adread of sundry plans and whether we have not misserved some who might bear us hostile hate. Tarry here, dear my lord, that I counsel by my troth."

Thank you

... very much for the update. The CBB is perfect! I hope people will like it and will use it. The Cheat Sheet was just an idea, and I figured it would be very hard to make it work, but I still think it is a pretty good idea. Now with your help project... If you see my new year wiki resolutions on my user page... it is right up there. :) So I will try to help, but given my current situation, not too likely. Anyways, thank you! Renata 16:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I think I want to become the overseer of the CBB :) I like the idea too much :)

I made quite a few changes: simplified the rules (at least that's what I think); I put pulldate in front to be easily spotted by editors (readers don't see it anyways); put everything in chronological order (abc does not make a slightest sense to me); put 7 days as pulldate (now people are putting whatever they want, I project that it's gonna get waaaay to long in the future when people will start using it); put everything into simple formating (uniform, less flashy); I don't think that outside articles belong here (village pump is doing just fine with that).

How do you want to archive it? Renata 05:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and may I also suggest putting "new featured content" under the CBB and not under the collabs? Renata 05:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I tried that, and it seemed to clutter the box. And I can't figure out how to get 2 horizontal boxes in a row with that table formatting code. --Go for it!

I like your changes. They're sensible. I agree that links to outside articles are inappropriate unless there's a Wikipedia discussion that can be pointed to with it. Otherwise, it's totally external news (for Current Events) and not Wikipedia news (announcements of discussions are appropriate CBB items).

Archiving is unnecessary, since the CBB is automatically archived in the template's history. If a more formal archive is needed later, such can be provided as a list of links to specific versions in the template's history. Anything else is labor-intensive, and prone to missed deadlines. See Wikipedia:Goings-on which is already passed its deadline for archiving today.

As for you being overseer of the CBB, I support you 100%. If you ever need me, just drop me a note, and I'll come running. --Go for it! 10:45, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

P.S.: For the help project, the team and I will be working on navigation tools for the Wikipedia and Help namespaces, so your cheat sheet idea will be on my mind throughout. As I come across links for it, I'll add them to a list. I started working on a similar project, "Wikipedia by department", but haven't gotten far with it yet.

Now I have another thing that bothers me: the CBB is getting very long and it's just a couple of days. Any ideas how to make it smaller? (I am pretty sure someone will complain pretty soon) Renata 11:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I think we struck a nerve! It looks like we put it in the right spot. Don't worry about the size, it's a one-week buffer and items will start dropping off and the list will level-out. Also, we're experiencing a grand-opening surge, because everyone with an event from the past 2 or 3 weeks who didn't know where to post it, are discovering the CBB and are putting up their announcements late. The surge should subside in a week or two. Besides, the page is 4 times as fun as it used to be, and more people are checking it out, so more people will browse the rest of the features on the page. And since the CBB changes often, users may visit the page daily or even more frequently, making it more likely they'll check out the other features too.

Another benefit with increased traffic will be that the other features will likely get more editing attention. --Go for it! 14:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I feel much better now :) You have the power in your words :) Anyway, I found another reason to worry: the location. I mean its real address is Template:Announcements/Community bulletin board. Now there is no Template:Announcements. So the beginning looks weird. Also, this could be a nice stand-alone page. So I would consider it moving to Wikipedia:Community bulletin board. You can include WP namespace articles just like templates so the comm portal won't be affected. What do you say? Renata 03:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

There wasn't a Template:Announcements because I hadn't built it yet (it exists now though). The reason the CBB is placed under "Template:Announcements" is because the CBB is an announcement template, and because it has sister templates. As a standard practice, placing announcement templates under Template:/Announcement/ makes them all easier to find using the special page "All pages". And Wikipedia is chaotic enough without having them strewn all about under unrelated names. Currently, there are 3 pages listed there, and there will be more in the future

Also, the CBB is a template because it is planned specifically for transclusion. It will likely be displayed in at least one other place (the page "Goings-on" is a good candidate host page).

There's one last reason why the CBB should remain a template: it isn't designed to be a stand-alone page. It opens specifically with a heading, because when headings are provided in a template, their edit buttons are active in all pages where the template is transcluded. The price is that the editor opens up for that "section" only in the template, so if the page has any opening material of its own before the heading, it won't show up in the edit window. So it really isn't a stand-alone page.

I hope this answers your questions to your satisfaction. --Go for it! 04:53, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

moving my talk page

Hi Renata, can you help me out with something? I moved my talk page to User talk:Fang Aili/Archive1, but now I can't get to my regular talk page without it redirecting me to the Archive. How can I get to my regular talk page?? Thanks. --Fang Aili 18:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually I just figured it out. Thanks anyway! --Fang Aili 18:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

A barnstar!

Ze Original Barnstar

There you go, a barnstar to reward your continuing work in Wikipedia in spite of being busy in Real Life^TM. Enjoy it and keep up the good work! Cheers. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 00:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Latvian mythology

I believe most of those stubs came from Encyclopedia Mythica. Tuf-Kat 02:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

search box in main page draft

That version you put up wasn't showing up right on my screen either. I've put another version up, doesn't have the icons, but does have the search box, expanded portal matrix, etc. --Go for it! 06:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Angels boot

thanks for bringing that to my attention, I've taken care of it. --W.marsh 18:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Dates

That seems to make a lot of sense. In fact I have lots of ideas for improving the date pages, although at the moment I have been concentrating on creating them first for all of 2003, 2004 and 2005 (which is taking a while because of my lack of time for the project. Rest I assured I will cats for the remaining months as I do them but be warned I may create pages for a month and then go back and cats - it will be a more efficient use of copynpaste that way. Thanks for the interest. Pcb21 Pete 20:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Re:Cat on GDL

Note that I have changed this category from Category:History of Poland. I was depopulating this category, moving various articles to related subcategories (or simply moving out of that category, if connection with Polish history was non-existent). Category:Polish historical regions, in my understanding, is supposed to collect all physical places connected with Polish history, and GDL was a part of PLC, after all. I am not happy with the name of current category, and that it lumps things like former voivodships, non-existent villages and old castles in one place, but I think it is a step in the right direction. On the other hand, as GDL article is more of a former state then a place article, perhaps I was too hasty here. Do you think History of Poland (1569–1795) would be more appopriate?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 04:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Šarūnas Jasikevičius

Hey, you wanted my input on if the Jasikevicius pronounciation sounded good.

To this Pacers fan, sounds just about dead on, though in the U.S. we tend to simplify the pronunciation slightly. Not really sure how to be much more specific than that.

But I like it, sounds great, and if that's the Lithuanian way of pronouncing it, let's go with it! ekedolphin 06:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Lietuvos istoriniai įvykiai

Laba, ka manai apie straipsnių "Vasario 16-oji" ir "Kovo 11-oji" sukūrimą? Tai istorinės datos, be kurių Wiki apie Lietuvą nepilna :) eLNuko 16:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Would you allow me the honor?

I would like to nominate you to be a Wikipedia Administrator. I noticed you recently declined a nomination, yet hope that you will reconsider and allow me to do the honors. Durin seems to have his hands full, and I believe you would make a wonderful sysadmin. Please see the nomination I wrote for you at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Renata3 (2). It would be my pleasure and a privilege to nominate you. Sincerely, --Go for it! 17:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, that is very kind of you. You should complete the formatting - i.e. remove <nowiki> tags. Give me some time to think about it. Renata 17:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I was waiting for your reply to activate the timestamp, but as per your request, the formatting is now complete. I humbly await your response. --Go for it! 23:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Dėkui už paramą

Dėkui už paramą ir išlaikomą ramybę :) . Jei priimsi pasiūlymą dėl tapimo administratore aš jį paremsiu. DeirYassin 17:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Darn, that was fast

Hey, no problem! :) Cheers, Sango123 (talk) 18:04, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Featured lists

I'm glad to see I'm not the only nut asking people to properly format their web references. :-) <rant> It tends to annoy me when people come with this "oh, but this is only a list" attitude and think of it as a license to not do proper work... </rant>

On an unrelated note, I see the public is clamoring for you to become and admin. I think it was a wise decision to wait for Durin's assessment. I'm quite sure your patience will be rewarded. Cheers! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 13:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

TVRage.com

There has been no specific reason given for TvRage to be deleted from Wikipedia. We were listed once before, but were removed because, and I quote, "We were not in Alexa's top 100,000 websites." As of today, we currently rank #75,899. Link for proof: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=tvrage.com . Our recent discussions of being netural have been taken care of, as I personally went through and removed all the comments that were addressed by the user. We have met every single demand Wikipedia has thrown at us, and yet the website is still be demanded to be deleted. I demand to know why we have been brought up for deletion again! And we want actual reasons why, not just some biast user demanding we be removed because they don't like us. Or an opposing website demanding we be removed to get rid of competition. JohnQ.Public 06:20, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

-Response to your response, posted on My Talk page. (I have no idea how this place works as far as PM's go, and whether or not you get an alert. JohnQ.Public 10:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: WP:MOTTO

Hi, I saw you are interested in the project. So I just wanted to let you know that I am actively trying to revive it. See post on Wikipedia talk:Community Portal. Renata 03:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Surely I'll support your idea, good luck! --ShiningEyes 22:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:Announcements/Community bulletin board

I need a second opinion on this: a bunch of the things on the CBB are not news put people looking for help on something. Should we get rid of it and restrict ourselves to news? Or, take a different route from WP:SIGN and welcome such requests?--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 00:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Motto of the day/week

I started to write procedures for the motto thing... and I caught myself making another bureaucracy with voting systems much like Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week. And then I remebered that it should be fun and easy-going and stress releasing... So I dunno what to do now. I could follow something like Wikipedia:Today's featured article where one man decides what to do (very efficient I should say). But... I dunno... a self-declared tyrant? :) It is very anti-democracy and anti-community and anti-me... So, um, any advice/ideas? Renata 07:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Whatever the procedure, it is probably best to keep it simple. Check out the instructions I wrote for the Tip of the day project. It takes 2 editors to ratify an entry. (Also, as coordinator, I watch over the whole operation and apply a bit of quality control of my own). --Go for it! 00:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

There's another tipster already!

Somebody came by and provided a tip, and is proudly displaying the tipster userbox on his userpage:

This user is a Wikipedia tipster.

.

My RFA

Thank you for supporting me in my successful RFA. The admin tools will definitely be handy for dealing with vandalism more swiftly. And, I'm glad to do anything possible to work with you, Go for it!, and others on improving the community portal and help pages. Thanks again. --Aude (talk | contribs) 00:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

About jotvingiai and lt.wikipedia problem

There is false article about Belorrussia history in lt.wikipedia.org - Lukashenka is not a dictator - no mentioning of murdered Baltic tribe Jotvingiai - lived in the south of todays Belorussia. I"ve made some corrections and was immediately attacked and even repressed. So, please study roots of conflict more deep, and only then make decissions against my possition. I'm fighting for basic human rights - freedom of information spreeding and so on. Good luck - UFO -user turbo195.182.77.103 18:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi

How's the motto thing coming along? Have you figured out a system yet? --Go for it! 14:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Newbie tip ideas?

For the tip of the day project, what tips do you think I should write for newbies? --Go for it! 14:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Stone picture

Sure, go ahead and crop it. The problem is that I took the picture at an angle. BTW, is mentioning Polish names of Lithuanian towns really annoying ? I thought it's useful and good to show some common history, good or bad. It's not supposed to imply that Poland was "better" or "worse" than Lithuania or that these places are "Polish", it's only that the names were often historically used because of centuries of Polonization. What do you think ? --_Lysy^talk 21:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

All right, thanks for resonding to this. As I'm sure you've noticed, I'm one of these "hardcore" editors who keep on restoring Polish names every here and there. I'd like to take the opportunity to explain that I'm not doing this in any bad faith and the last thing I wanted would be to suggest that Poland could have any claims etc. (in fact I've never heard of any such claims in Poland). It's only that for one reason or another Lithuania was heavily Polonized for years, we've had centuries of common history and culture. To claim otherwise would be like to pretend that e.g. Wrocław/Breslau/Vroclavas did not have German history and culture. Silly isn't it? Anyway, I just wanted to excuse myself, thanks for understanding. --_Lysy^talk 21:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I share your opinion on using foreign names in the body of the articles. Sometimes it may be pure ignorance but I know a couple of editors (not only Polish) who insist that names should be used according to their historic context. Personally, I find this confusing and sometimes simply POV pushing. Other's mileage may vary, though. --_Lysy^talk 22:13, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Solicitation

Would you be so kind to peer review List of Mexico City metro stations whenever you get the time for it? You are allowed (entitled!) to release all your constrained FLC nastiness without any hard feelings ;-) Deal? Thank you! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 22:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

¡Gracias!

I highly appreciate the praise (and the review!). Reply is mostly point-like because it's late and I'm feeling a tad too lazy to write brilliant prose. :-) Longish reply because information wants to be free and you deserve to know:

• The copyright status of the logos by themselves is not so clear, so I'm hesitant to include them anywhere else on the list other than the maps (where Carnildo already okayed their inclusion). I'm definitely doing research into the issue in any case.
• I'm asking Panchosama for the original svg, however he's not a frequent editor :-( I may end up redrawing the whole map myself, which shouldn't take more than a day. In any case Carnildo pointed out some problems with the readability of the font, so that needs to be fixed too.
• Train pictures are surprisingly hard to come by, although I'm still looking around for them on the net. If I were in Mexico I'd just spend one weekend snapping my camera away, but sadly that's not the case.
• Thanks for looking into the formatting glitch. I had an idea something like that could happen, but no clue on how to prevent it.

Incidentally, I'm also working on the individual station articles. However it is a long (and honestly, boring) process that must be done systematically; half of my Sandbox is dedicated to it. I finished rewriting the stations in line 2, where I implemented some of the very suggestions you mentioned (logo, ethymology) so if you're really interested start with Metro Cuatro Caminos and read away. Actually I wanted to get this list sorted out first so I can reproduce some of the information in the individual articles. Kind of a central place where to start working from.

Thanks again! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 01:48, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

More soliciting ;) If you can, could you pop back to WP:FLC to vote fr or against Timeline of first orbital launches by nationality. You have made a number of commetns but not voted, and it has 3 votes for and none against, so is at risk of failing due to lack of interest. Thanks! -- ALoan (Talk) 19:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Renata

I agree with you on the template, and I'm working on an overall solution. But I had a feeling you'd agree that it (or rather, its content, belonged somewhere on the community portal.  :-) I just placed it where there was room, for the time being. I'm working on an overall fix, because the table format used by the community portal is too finnicky to even describe, and has thwarted my efforts to further modularize the page. So I'm on the hunt for more stable (yet more versatile) code. Unfortunately, all table structures have their ideosyncracies, and the one I've adopted has me confounded on a column spacing problem (see Village Pump, where I've thrown up a column spacing sample to get help).

Now for a question: do you think it would be better to include the Signpost items in their own section (without the template border and extraneous background color), or just include each story as an announcement in the CBB? --Go for it! 12:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Mottos

At first I thought some of them looked more like slogans than mottos, but when I looked up "slogan", I found that slogans and mottos are the same thing. :-) Are they all slated for display except for those you marked "unsuitable"? I'm working on page sectioning, and will let you know when I'm done. --Go for it! 04:35, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Editing Latin Phrases

Hi! I looked at the phrases you sent me on my talk page, and I translated them for you. However, a couple of them were imcomplete, or had improper spelling/ phrasing, therefor leading to incorrect translating or improper grammer. Feel free to ask for anything. Nice working w/ you on wiki :) Whatupshorty45 06:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

     Hey no problem! anything else, just holla! Whatupshorty45 20:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

List of municipalities of Portugal

Hello! I've noticed you were the major contributor to the List of municipalities of Lithuania. You also use to participate in the FL candidates page. Inspired on that featured list, I started a major reorganization of the List of municipalities of Portugal, would you please take a quick look on it and tell me if there is anything you would change? It is very incomplete and it will give a lot of work, mainly because there is no table with such data (population, area, density, parishes) compiled on the internet, or at least, I haven't found any. It's like a puzzle and there are only 3 districts complete, when all is finished, I'll make the ranks. I would really thank you if you say something. Regards. Afonso Silva 12:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much Renata! I've read your suggestions and they were really useful.

1. The coats of arms have a regular copyright status, I think, they are uploaded in the commons and are licensed under GNU FDL, as the author allowed them to be used. Anyway, I'll search the Portuguese law in order to find a issue like that one in Lithuania, which is used in the Lithuanian coats of arms, that makes that kind of symbols free of copyright.
2. About the symbols of the parties, you are right, and I've decided to use a color scheme, at the moment it is just applied in the district of Beja. That also makes coalitions easier to illustrate.
3. The ranks will be really difficult, I will think about them again, but I have a method. I'll copy the names of the municipalities and the data to an Excel sheet and then order the values, of course I'll have to place 308 * 3 values by hand in a table, it's hard. I'll consider removing them.
4. I have maps mande by myself, like this one with the ruling parties: Image:Portuguese municipalities parties.PNG. I'll make other about density. I think it is better to create a bigger map to each district and then put them near each table like you suggested, after shrinking the tables.
5. I pay attention to the disambiguation of the links and that will not be a problem as I am working at the same time in placing the infobox in all articles about Portuguese municipalities and in creating the missing articles. I link from the list, so, I'll spot any bad link.
6. About the capital city, that is a problem, because a municipality is not a city and a city may be composed by several parishes but in most cases only by one, and the municipalities have their names, it's a total confusion, I have been discussing that with other Portuguese contributors and we still haven't found a solution.
7. I'll mention the number of parishes, thanks for the suggestion, they are 4261.
8. I'll also use that thing of moving the TOC, that huge space is really ugly.

Thanks again and if you ever need my help, I'll be glad to give it. Regards! Afonso Silva 17:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

• He said terrible things about you, but I'm afraid you'll have to learn Portuguese to understand it. Just kidding. Thanks for the clue, I'll put numbers instead of names, but you are right, it's very confusing. And of course I'm not thinking about creating 4261 articles, hehe, I have a life. This 308 articles are already giving enough trouble. I'll continue building the list and I hope I can ask you for more comments as you are one of the most active list creators I've found in wikipedia. Thanks! Afonso Silva 19:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Motto rules

Ok, I drafted something. I used a lot of ideas fromWikipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award. I don't really like it. I need some feedback. Do you think it is too complicated? (I know that the wording is awful and it needs more explanation) Also, it is missing about the overseer. Might I talk you into becoming a co-overseer? In previous link, the "unfit" would need two more votes to be removed. I just tried to organize the list and see what are the results so I could decide something on rules.

BTW0, do you think those unfit are really unfit? BTW1, looks like TotD is gathering some interest. Congrats! :) BTW2, I have one more crazy idea for comm portal... :) BTW3, why you don't have your email enabled? BTW4, WP:WOTTA :) Renata 19:26, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

The goal is to generate a bunch of mottos to include as motto of the day on the Community Portal, right? My advice is to keep it simple. Advertise for motto submissions (the more submissions the better), and then grab a couple people (or advertise for volunteer judges). Three judges should be enough. Have them go over the list and yeah or nay each entry. Those entries that get 2 out of 3 yeahs, get added to the scheduling queue. See Wikipedia:POTD row for an example of a scheduling queue (each page is named by date). Then a template is used with a date variable which automatically displays the motto from the page in the queue with the current day's date. It doesn't matter if there are hundreds of winners. Just stick them in the scheduling queue, and the project will run automatically until the pages run out.

I'd be glad to help.

BTW0: #5 from the "too longs" is a good one (it's Jimbo's main quote, isn't it?) I agree with you on the rest.

BTW1: Thank you. Though we still need more tipsters! What are your favorite Wikitricks?

BTW2: What's your crazy CP idea?

BTW3: I didn't have any reason to enable it, until now that is.  :-) I'll enable it today.

BTW4: IAGIMY YMWF ILFTRYE
Go for it! 21:30, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

2 Days to Vegas

Why did you want a speedy deletion on 2 Days to Vegas? It was a legit game. --Thorpe | talk 01:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Signpost on the CBB

As per your request to place Signpost in the CBB (rather than in the New featured content section), I've created a test template and have included it on the bulletin board. I've removed the background color but left the box the same. Let me know how you like it. Once we have figured out exactly how you want it to look, then I can approach the Signpost staff with a specific proposal to fork the data to two templates (the current subscription template and the new one for the CBB). --Go for it! 07:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I tried emailing you...

...but all I got was this error message:

"This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users."

As per your (implied) request, I've activated my email. --Go for it! 06:01, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Royal Consorts of the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England

Hi, I have been trying to improve the list, Royal Consorts of the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England, thanks to your help. However, I am finding it hard to make the table size consitant... can you help? Sotakeit 21:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

When you say to sort out the copyright issue on the list, what exactley is allowed and not allowed... is it just fair use images that are not allowed? Sotakeit 20:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Image problems seem to be sorted out and as for referances, what do I put - I only used Wikipedia to help start the article...? Sotakeit 11:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

You're next for my RfA review

Renata, I wanted to let you know that I finally got the person in line in front of you processed and his nomination completed (Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Cactus.man). I'm slower than the slowest civil servant ;) I apologize, I've just been too back logged with real life to do much in the way of heavy work here. So, you're under my microscope now, and as soon as I get the review done, I'll let you know. I may need to chat with you on IRC to help with this. Do you use #wikipedia IRC? If so, under what nick? Thanks for your patience, --Durin 21:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Latin mottos

As requested, I've gone through the Latin phrases at Renata3/motto. Sorry I took so long, but I've finally got around to doing it, and here are my comments:

1. Ephemera et cetera (Ephemera and the rest)

   ephemera isn't a Latin word as far as I know, and I would remark that many people will be unsure as to the meaning of ephemera, so having it as an official motto may be unwise.

2. Aut disce aut discede. (Either learn or leave)

   No problems. (This is the singular imperative form; the plural would be aut discete aut discedete which might apply if the motto was seen as appealing to the community of Web users or Wikipedians as a whole, whereas the singular addresses the individual reading it.)

3. Conscientia Hominis Universitas or Universitas Hominis Conscientia(Whole/total human consciousness/knowledge)

   Would be better as conscientiae hominis universitas (the whole of human consciousness/knowledge/etc.); universitas is a noun, and can't be used as an adjective. conscientia hominis universita would work, using the adjective universitus.

4. Omne ignotum pro magnifico (Everything unknown is taken for magnificent [1])

   No problems.

5. Caveat lector (Reader, beware of mistakes)

   More accurate translation: let the reader beware

6. Ordo ab Chao. (Order out of chaos.)

   No problems. (Remember that most classical languages had no official upper- and lowercase, which is why most classicists write Latin, Ancient Greek etc. in lowercase, only capitalising the first letter of a word if it were a proper noun such as a name.)

7. Veritas ab Chao (Truth from chaos.)

   No problems. (See #6)

8. Semper ubi sub ubi (Always where under where)

   Used as a joke by classicists and classics students to mean "always wear underwear"; phrase itself is nonsensical.

9. Scientia est Potentia (Latin for "Knowledge is Power")

   No problems. (See #6)

10. Scientia et Sapientia (Latin for "Science and Knowledge")

    scientia is from scio (I know) and sapientia from sapiens (wise); the phrase would therefore be better translated as "knowledge and wisdom". (Also see #6)

11. Scientia in bonus fides (Knowledge in good faith)

    Awful use of cases! The correct phrase would be scientia in bona fide (the preposition in takes the ablative). It makes no difference to the meaning, but how about rearranging it to in bona fide scientia?

12. Humani nihil a nobis alienum (Latin: "Nothing human is alien to us")

    Literally: "nothing of man to us is alien", so it should be OK.

13. Per Populum et Pro Populo (Latin, "by the people and for the people")

    Unsure about the use of per here; when meaning "by", it really signifies the agent of an action, such as "I was clubbed to death by my father with a baseball bat". (Even then, a or ab is mainly used and per is rarely seen.) If I were to use this motto, I would use a populo pro populo, although I still have a huge doubt as to whether it is correct. (Also see #6)

14. Per aspera ad absurdum (Through hardships to the absurd)

    A perfectly good translation; literally, aspera means "desperate times", "hopeless occasions" or anything of that nature.

15. Sapientia et doctrina stabilitas (Wisdom and doctrine steadfastness)

    doctrina used here to mean "knowledge", therefore phrase means "wisdom and knowledge bring stability" or something like that.

16. Rosa rubicundior lilio candidior omnibus formosior semper in te glorior (Rosa rubicundior lilio openly omnibus beauty always upon you to pride oneself)
    • Redder than the rose, whiter than the lilies, fairer than everything, I will always glory in thee. - motto from here.

    lilio is singular, so "whiter than the lily" would be more accurate. omnibus is literally "all things", which I personally think sounds better than "everything", but that's pretty subjunctive as to whether it's preferable. (Oh no! A self-reference!) Also, glorior is present, so I suppose gloriabor (future tense) would be slightly better to use, although both versions are acceptable.

17. Festina Lentes (German equivalent is "Eile mit Weile", don't know the English one; basically means "don't stress yourself too much")

    festina lente - hurry slowly.

Also, "Personal tops" motto number 5 should be "Veni, Vidi, Viki" or "Veni, Vidi, Wiki" - the letter W did not exist in Latin, and to be honest the letter V didn't either - it's used because the letter U (which looks like a V in Latin) doesn't look right when used as the Romans used it as a consonant. Anyway, because it's a U, we usually pronounce "V" like a "W" (try saying "ueni, uidi, uici") but there was definitely no letter W in Latin...

Hope that all made sense. If you have any questions, don't hesistate to follow them up with me.

haz _(user talk)^e 16:17, 11 March 2006

Paris Participation

Hey, sorry for that posting on WP:CBB - That was abusive? Yikes, okay, lesson learned - thanks for catching my error. Can I ask you what you mean by "I see you have some editors interested in france to help you out"? - it's actually this I'm looking for! If you do know anyone, please tell me and I will request their aid.

Thanks,

THEPROMENADER 16:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

your deletion marked as minor

please take care not to mark deletions of other users contributions as minor, if your deletion is a revert. In that case it is more a disput over an article page than a minor edit. [2] regards Tobias Conradi (Talk) 05:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

thx for your reply. Currently UTC+0:20 is a little longer. Not redirecting keeps the navigational template. But I can understand that you once made it a redirect. Let real live rule :-) best regards Tobias Conradi (Talk) 01:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't support vandalism against Balts and Lithuania

Image:Pabalt_kult.png

Attention. This image is from the "Baltų archeologija" journal Nr.1. No copyright in this journal. Free license. This image is under personal attack organised by adminstrator Dirgela and user Qwarc in Lithuanian wikipedia -lt.wikipedia.org - they ignore information about no copyright in the journal.

Image:Balt_vietovard.png

Attention. This image is from the "Baltų archeologija" journal Nr.1. No copyright in this journal. Free license. This image is under personal attack organised by adminstrator Dirgela and user Qwarc in Lithuanian wikipedia -lt.wikipedia.org - they ignore information about no copyright in the journal.

Need a tip on image licensing

If I contact an owner of artwork (or something else) and they provide me with right to use their graphic material on Wikipedia, what combination of tags and copyright should I set?

Esperanza User Page Award

Hi Renata3! You've signed up to be a judge for the Esperanza User Page Award! As you were the first judge to sign up, you've been assigned the first 3 userpages from the shortlist to examine. First of all, pick your favorite one and list it in the finalists section. Then award all 5 finalists 1-10 points in four categories:

• Attractiveness: general layout, considering colour scheme and/or use of tables if applicable
• Usefulness: links to subpages or editing aids, helpful information
• Interesting-ness: quirky, unique, captivating, or funny content
• General niceness: at the judges' discretion

Please see the Scores section on this page for additional information on your job as a judge.

Keep in mind that your scores are a secret! Email KnowledgeOfSelf with your final scores, using the format on this page. As soon as all the scores have been tallied, a winner will be announced! Thanks.

Reply to your request

I had written a longish reply the other day, but it got lost after the short database lock-up and a computer crash :( The gist of it was that I think your proposal is a nice idea, but I'm a bit concerned with keeping people interested in the process and of it being a bit bureaucratic. I'd recommend you to cook up something based on the way the people at WP:BJAODN (of all places) select the name of the next page, although that thing is a bit messy and prolly needs a revamp. Still, I think it has more advantages than disadvantages and would reduce the time you may devote to this project substantially. Let me know what you think and good luck! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 13:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Susirasinejimas su Europos Parku del nuotrauku

Klausimas:

"Sveiki,

ar jus nieko pries kad jusu internetines svetaines medziaga panaudojau angliskos wikipedijos straipsniui

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europos_Parkas"

Atsakymas: "From: Europos Parkas

zinoma nieko pries nuosirdziai dekome, kad parasete.

Siunciame kelias fotografijas: Magdalena Abakanowicz. Space of Unknown Growth Gintaras Karosas. The Place

gal noresite panaudoti

nuosirdziai,

Lina Europos parkas Tel. 8 5 2377 077 Mobil. 8 698 309 23 www.europosparkas.lt"

Antras laiskas: "Sveiki, Sigitai, paziurejau - viskas atrodo puikiai!

Del licenzijos abejoju - cia yra tokiu autoriniu teisiu subtilybiu su meno kuriniais: del fotografijos taip- mes galime leisti naudoti fotografija, bet reikalas tas, kad autorius cia ne tik fotografijos, pacioje fotografijoje - meno kurinys, o meno kurinio autorius turi neturtine teise i tai, kad visuomet salia fotografijos privalo buti autoriaus vardas ir skulpturos pavadinimas, o sito duodami licenzija laisvai naudoti neuztikrinam.

tai, jei yra grieztesniu licenciju, manau, tiktu labiau.

Lina Europos parkas Tel. 8 5 2377 077 Mobil. 8 698 309 23 www.europosparkas.lt"

Image question

Hi Renata. Does Wikipedia have a policy on images like this: Image:Idres-barzani.jpg? It looks like propaganda, plus it has an attribution on it. (Based on the username of the person who uploaded it (User:Mesoud4), I'd bet this is his work, but copyright isn't the issue I'm concerned with.) Thanks. --Fang Aili 20:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. I was trying to wait a while in hopes of not WP:BITE, but.. the propaganda image probably does not belong, and the other at least needs a copyright tag of some sort. --Fang Aili 20:21, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully this was ok. --Fang Aili 20:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Renata3 has been killed by a truck load of real life

Don't do that again ! Please :->! Even if we don't know each other and most certainly never will, I was shocked quite a bit, when reading your banner with only half-open eyes ... :-> Best regards and good luck in handling your truck load --Gf1961 13:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC) (following your contributions on Lithuania and the other Baltic countries from time to time)

I concur... —Nightstallion (?) 14:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I read it wrong too :/ --Durin 16:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Image tags - sculptures

Renata, GFDL yra skirta textines informacijos licenzijavimui ("The license was designed for manuals, textbooks, other reference and instructional materials, and documentation which often accompanies GPL software. However, it can be used for any text-based work, regardless of subject matter."). Taigi manau kad GFDL netinka nuotraukoms. Manyciau, kad panasiausia i tai ko pageidauja muziejus, siulo Free Art license. Shi licenzija reikalauja panaudojant kurini nurodyti kur galima rasti originala - to ir pageidavo Europos parkas. Ka manai? Sigitas 17:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

a page in Lithuanian..?

Greetings Renata! Asking for your kind help with an article in Lithuanian (I believe it is?) -- if only you can spare a minute... a glance at Leonavičius Gytis - is it an article? worth translating? (I'm highly suspicious :) but can't be certain.) It is listed here: WP:PNT#Leonavičius Gytis, so if you can, please post there directly, or if more convenient, reply right here (I'll be watching for a couple of days), or at my talk, whichever works best for you. Many thanks - Introvert ~? 09:25, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Image in my signature

Well I appreciate you pointing that out to me! I'm actually surprised no one did up to this point. I'll remove the image right....--mmeinhart 19:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC) ..away ;-)

Visaginas

If you say this version is "better" than this one, I can not agree.

If you want to use left one - OK, but I prefer to use this right one. So don't delete old version.

Regards Julo 17:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Please take another look

I have tried to address your concerns and the concerns of others at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of largest suspension bridges. I hope you will take another look. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 07:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

List of largest suspension bridges

Certainly "it could not be better" is a fine criteria. But, the things that you list mean that it is totally impractical to bring this list to that point, and that seems unreasonable. Here's why:

1. I noticed that your list of cities are manually numbered. This is possible for the list of bridges but with the current state of Wiki software totally impractical. How often do they add a city ranked #2 or #3 on the list? This happens regularly with bridges. If you look at the list, you'll see that the #3 spot was just completed a few months ago. A new #1 spot is beginning construction, as are some other bridges that will be high up on the list. Every time a new bridge opens someone would have to manually renumber the entire list. Frankly, this is something I wouldn't want to do, and if it means this list would never be featured, so be it. I like that the external links bring up the homepages of each bridge and also number the list. I don't see them as references, and there is a note that explains what they are. I could link each to an external page about the bridge, but then some would be linked to home pages, and others would not. I don't see this as an improvement.
2. This list is what is being nominated, not the entire category of suspension bridges. People are complaining about red links, but it is also frowned upon to create two line sub-stubs. I've started creating these stubs, which basically only have the information that is in the list. I think this is silly. Red-links serve an important function. They tell the user that there isn't an article. By me making these sub-stubs, it gives the false impression that there is more information to be found. I'll do this to get the list accepted, but it seems like a bad policy to promote.
3. There are no unverified dates. What gave you the idea that any dates were unverified?
4. There are missing pictures of bridges in obscure places that tourists don't go to. How is anyone going to obtain a GFDL picture of these bridges? This list is unlikely to EVER have a complete set of pictures. Many featured lists have few pictures. If I removed all the pictures and just scattered them here or there it would look like many other featured lists. I don't see that as an improvement. I could shorten the list to include many less bridges and that would make most of the bridges have pictures. This makes the list less usefull and informative for the sake of being prettier.

I am more than willing to work on this list and bring it to a much higher standard. I would appreciate suggestions which are possible to achieve and improve the usefullness of the list. --Samuel Wantman 20:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback.

• I have fixed the reference section.
• The reason there are duplicate pictures is because the bridges have multiple spans, and they are both in the picture. If I find two pictures of the same bridge, like the double spans of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge I use both of them. But since most of these double and triple bridges are in Japan, I haven't been lucky enough to find more than one good image.
• I don't know how to solve some of the photo problems. Carnildo wants me to figure out who the photographer is of the pictures from Japanese Wikipedia and other foreign languages. I can't read Japanese, my browser doesn't even display it.
• I've been thinking a bit about the external link issue. While I like the way it is, it seems to be problematic to many other people, probably because it is a very unusual way of doing things. So I will bend my position. I'm considering linking the bridges without homepages to the page about the bridge at structurae.de, a good source of information, but an extremely slow site. I notice that most featured lists do not have a cite for each entry. I started doing this because I had to use external references to get auto-numbering, and I saw the same thing being done at List of bridges by length. It seems to be an extra feature that this list could be linked to so many sites, an extra feature that is now being held up to oppose this nomination from becoming a featured list because it is not complete. --Samuel Wantman 09:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Template for deletion discussion you may be interested in

Categories · Glossaries · Lists · Overviews · Portals · Questions · Reference · Site news · A-Z Index

Arts | Biography | Culture | Geography | History | Mathematics | Philosophy | Science | Society | Technology

The above bar, the category-based counterpart to the portal-based Browsebar, is up for deletion. I thought you might want to know about this. --Go for it! 18:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Template

Sorry, but I disagree with you :( Renata 23:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Which may mean I hold the wrong position on this issue. All the more reason to seek your feedback. Thank you for your input.  ;-) --Go for it! 00:29, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Motto of the day

Your project is ready to roll. Just place mottos from the discussion page into each page listed on the project page, to schedule them for display on the template. (Remove them from the discussion page as you do so, so that they aren't scheduled twice. Don't worry about voting, that can be put in place later for future submissions. If at any time the well runs dry of ideas for new mottos, then the template can be rewritten to display a random motto from the collection. --Go for it! 16:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1

Reach out Reach out is a program aimed at allowing users to bring issues that they have had in Wikipedia to a listening, sympathetic and caring audience: "No one can know how we feel if we do not say. We cannot expect to get understanding if we do not ask for it. No one will dispute that sometimes life's issues are too much for one person. It is fair to say that sometimes Wikipedia's problems fall under the same heading. This is a place where you can bring the bruises that can sometimes be got on this project for attention." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Note from the editor Welcome to this new format of the Esperanza Newsletter, which came about during the last Advisory Council meeting - we hope you like it! The major changes are that each month, right after the Council meeting, this will be sent out and will include two featured programs and a sum up of the meeting. Also, it will be signed by all of the Advisory Council members, not just Celestianpower. Have an Esperanzial end of March, everyone!

The last AC meeting (full log) Future meetings are to be held monthly, not fortnightly as before. Bans and Access level changes (apart from autovoice) in the IRC channel are to be reported at the new log. In the IRC channel, there is going to be only one bot at a time. The charter requires members to have 150 edits and 2 weeks editing. Why this is the case will be clarified. A new Code of Conduct will be drafted by JoanneB and proposed to the Esperanza community. The NPA reform idea is to be dropped officially. Charter ammendments are to be discussed in future, not voted on. The Advisory Council is not going to be proposed to be expanded by the Advisory Council themselves, if others want to propose it, they will listen. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 17:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I am out

For this whole week. I don't think I will be able to catch an hour of sleep this week... :( So I cannot do the motto thingie. If you want to take over - be my guest. Gosh, I cannot wait to graduate :) Renata 23:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

It can wait until you are ready. --Go for it! 23:57, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

CBB

Did I miss something? where are the CBB archives? That's a glaring problem that needs to be fixed. Also, the CBB needs to be better organized for people reading it. With topic headings, it's much easier for someone to scan and find what interests them. Headings are also very helpful for people using screen readers. The added work is nominal, and I wouldn't mind helping if I knew where the archives are. --Aude (talk | contribs) 18:07, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind. I found the archives on the talk page, and commented out on the CBB. I have inserted a link to the Archives on the CBB. Also, as you might be aware, there is some debate about the Community Portal and the design process. While Go for it! has done some nice things with the Community Portal, a number of people disagree with the process he's using and instead favor a collaborative process, with discussion. The CBB, being a key part of the Community Portal, is part of the discussion. Personally, I'd like keep the CBB prominently on the Community Portal, yet not bury everything else that used to be here. We're using a draft version of the community portal to try out options, rather than use the actual Community Portal as a guinea pig for experimenting. Your input to the discussions would be very welcome. Go for it!'s ideas would also be welcome there. --Aude (talk | contribs) 18:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

FL Tallest structures in Paris

You recently voted oppose for this article's request to become a featured list. The main or sole reason behind your choice to oppose was that there were many red links on the article. This was in the process of being attended to by Metropolitan well before I nominated this article for FL status, so I apologize that the article was not ready to become an FL as of then. Now, though, all but a few red links have been replaced by blue links.

For the time being, your oppose vote has been stricken out because your reason for opposing has been attended to. If you still believe this article should not become a featured list, please de-strike your comment and state a new reason. If you think that because of the lack of red links, it now deserves a support vote, kindly note that below your original vote and write "support". Thank you for your vote on that page. → J@red ^talk+ _ubx  02:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

My (HereToHelp’s) RfA

Thank you for supporting my RfA. I’m proud to inform you that it passed with 75 support to 1 oppose to 2 neutral. I promise to make some great edits in the future (with edit summaries!) and use these powers to do all that I can to help. After all, that’s what I’m here for! (You didn’t think I could send a thank you note without a bad joke, could I?) --HereToHelp 13:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Renata

Remeber this? Well, I passed 4000 edits sometime around April 1. :) Cheers. --Fang Aili ^說嗎? 00:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

LOL. Give me a few years! --Fang Aili ^說嗎? 02:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Backlogs

Please see Wikipedia:Cleanup process/Cleanup sorting proposal. I think it could an opportunity to re-introduce wiki-week. Renata 13:38, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up; I made some implementation suggestions there. And my sympathies; I have also been hit by a truckload of real life. -- Beland 03:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Notice

The Community Portal was recently reverted to a version that appeared months ago. Therefore, I've called for a vote to restore to the Community Portal the version that had developed here up until that reversion. There are three drafts competing for the privilege, each representing entirely different approaches, including the current revert version. To show your support for which design should be displayed as the Community Portal, VOTE HERE. Sincerely, --Go for it! 18:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

RfA review

Renata, don't faint from shock...I've finally begun your review for RfA! :) I've done most everything except reviewing your various talk page contributions. That's a highly time consumptive step, since in your case it's hundreds of talk page edits. So, before I go any further, I'd like to ask if you are ready to go up for RfA at this point? I'm asking because I noticed that your studies are burdening you right now, so running a seven day RfA that you'd need to keep daily tabs on might not be the best thing at the moment.

Everything in my review so far is very good. I really like your distribution of edits within the Wikipedia project namespace; you've stuck your fingers into a lot of pies! I also saw you've made 480 contributions to Commons, and another >100 to the Lithuania language Wikipedia. Everything looks very good so far. --Durin 17:37, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

CBB archiving

I just updated the CBB archives, with everything up to what's presently listed on the CBB. I did that so the Portals, Collaborations, and WikiProjects announcements can say a little more than being just listed, as they are on the CBB (to keep the CBB more concise and compact). I also added a commented notice to the CBB page, asking people who add new items to the CBB to also list it on the archives page. Not sure how well people will follow that and do so. If they don't, I can follow up and take care of it. --Aude (talk | contribs) 20:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Did you see this?

Did you see this? --Durin 13:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #2

Barnstar Brigade The Barnstar Brigade is a new program aimed at giving more very deserving yet unappreciated users barnstars. It will officially start on 2006-04-09, but signing up is encouraged before this date: "Here in Wikipedia, there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go un-appreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go un-noticed. Sadly, these editors often leave the project. As Esperanzians, we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. A project the size of Wikipedia has thousands of editors, so there are plenty of people out there who deserve recognition, one just has to find them. The object of this program is not to flood editors with Barnstars, but to seek out people who deserve them, and make them feel appreciated." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Information Welcome to the second issue of the new format Esperanza Newsletter - we hope you still like it! This week, it was delivered diligently by our new dogsbody. MiszaBot (run by Misza13): any execution complaints should go to him. Content comments should be directed at the Esperanza talkpage. Thanks!

The last AC meeting (full log) The next elections: Approval voting as before and, also as before, an previous leadership member can run. Please submit your name for voting in the relevant section of this page. Voting starts on 2006-04-23 and ends on 2006-04-30. There will be three places up for grabs as KnowledgeOfSelf is leaving Wikipedia. Please see the previously linked page for full details. The Code of Conduct is now ready for extensive discussion! Specific comments should go to the Code of Conduct talk page, discussion of having one at all should be directed to the main Esperanza talk page. The current process for accepting proposals for new programs has been deemed fine. All Advisory Council members and the Admin Gen are to endevour to be bold when viewing discussion. If they feel that consensus has been reached, they will act accordingly. A plea from the editor... The propsed programs page is terribly underused! Please leave any comments, good or bad, on the page, to help us determine the membership's thoughts on the ideas there. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 19:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

reNATA - do you really support NATO having such image?

In your archive there were some characteristic messages with political context. Do u really support NATO ReNATA having such the image?

Huh??? Renata 17:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

A very itty-bitty non-spam-ified thank you for supporting my RfA. --Fang Aili ^說嗎? 19:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

List of NCAA Philippines basketball champions

Please take a look at the article and see if anything can be done for you to change your vote. Circa 1900 05:39, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot on your tips at WP:FLC! Circa 1900 03:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Community portal bug

Howdy. Just wondering what browser the bug was seen in, And, could you check if it's the same or fixed at Wikipedia:Community Portal/Redesign/Draft2a (I just removed 2 <center> tags, which i think might clear it up, without reducing the table width.) Thanks :) --Quiddity 20:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I fixed it on the draft. The deal is with width being 100%. I changed it to 92 and it's fine. I am using IE 6.0 (btw, nice work on design). Renata 20:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Does it work at 99% too? that would help with less line-wrap in the content, on smaller screens. (reply wherever, i watchlist :) And thanks :) --Quiddity 20:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Nope, 99 does not work. 94 works barely and 93 is good :) Renata 21:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Freedom wars

I replied at Talk:Freedom wars of Lithuania. //Halibutt 10:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

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Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp

Thanks for your help. I moved your comments to Wikipedia:Peer review/Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp/archive1 and replied there, hope you don't mind. //Halibutt 17:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Now that is what I call feedback :) Thanks a lot, I'll try to correct as much as I can. You're my hero, really. //Halibutt 23:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

No need to take my comment back as it's still 100% valid. The little marks I put there need a little explanation. I simply decided to adopt your list as part of my to-do list. The ticked questions I consider solved. Those marked with a red cross are:

1. Either in need of further explanation
2. in need of clarification
3. Postponed until later stages of the development (as in the case of pic formatting)
4. or simply things I consider bad ideas (hardly any of them)

It's not that I generally don't agree with what you wrote, it's the other way around :). Anyway, apparently I'll have to dig up my plan to rework the whole history section. I tried to follow the chronological order, but apparently it makes you confused. What do you think a best option would be? Splitting the section in two? //Halibutt 01:11, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Labas. I have a 30,000 sign long article to be written by tomorrow morning. Yet I spent 3 hours on fixing the Mauthausen-Gusen article... Time for Wikivacations, definitely. Else my wikiholism is going to kill me :/ Anyway, I hope I fixed most of the issues you had with the historical section. In most cases I tried to simply reorder the chunks of text and combine them in several sub-sections. Hope that solves most of the problems. //Halibutt 16:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed your changes. Some things I noticed (not really mistakes though):

1. It wasn't exactly converted into a labour camp on May 8, 1939. In fact the first prisoners to be held there prior to that day were also forced to work on the construction. However, the conditions prior to the arrival of the first transports of prisoners from the outside (and not from Dachau) changed as the principle of the work changed. This is but a detail though.
2. east of the city of Linz sounds better to me than east of Linz city. I'm not a native speaker though.
3. Nazi Germany... I generally dislike the term. Generally, I noticed that German post-war propaganda of success achieved its goals in that whatever wrong was committed in WWII, it's attributed to Nazi Germany (as if it was the name of the state), while positive phenomena are kept related to "Germany" and almost never to Nazi Germany. But of course that's how it is and I'm not going to revert your change.
4. If I were you I would add the {{seealso|Vernichtung durch Arbeit}} link back. That section is just a local description of a wider phenomenon and remains closely-tied to it. However, I guess it's just a matter of style: I like such generalizing links above sections, others don't.
5. as to mobile gas chambers... a funny thing: I don't remember what was my original version of that sentence, but it was changed by one of the guys to copyedit the article. And now you changed that even further and I get an impression that you in fact reverted the sentence to its original version by yours truly. Quite comforting I must say :)

Anyway, let me know if the section seems fine now so that I could safely proceed to other issues you listed. BTW, I've got 6 hours to go and still some 20,000 signs to write. Ouch, it's going to hurt... //Halibutt 04:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, happy student days are suspended for me. These are happy journalist days and unhappy journalist nights :) Anyway, good night. //Halibutt

Sure the article has too many definite articles, after all it's been written primarily by a Pole. And we don't have any articles in Polish language. For most of us the matter is as complicated as grammatical gender is to Britons. What's more, in Spanish the articles are inserted much more often than in English, which is another problem for me as I speak both languages. Anyway, after some 26 hours in front of my laptop I'm finally done (more or less) with my work and could focus on fixing the other mistakes on our to-do list. Let's see... //Halibutt 17:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Basically... I don't. Another answer would be at times. //Halibutt 18:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello there, there's another chunk of questions for you there. //Halibutt 10:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Phew, at last I had some time to revise most of the issues you raised there. Some were left out for the final touch (stacking pictures, for instance), others are still unsolved because in most cases I simply had no idea how to reword some statements. Finally, there's still the problem of the stairs of death in the header, which I'm not sure we should remove. Could you take a look at the list? I believe we could nominate the article for FA any minute now, but there's still a lot we could improve... //Halibutt 17:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

The project I was working on took some week more to finish, but I should be ready to implement the final changes now. Could you possibly take a look at the list of issues and help me solve the riddles? //Halibutt 13:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Apparently it's good the two of us are not married to each other, we would barely ever meet at home ;) I'm busy when you have time and the other way around. Anyway, I'll try to take a look at the list again and perhaps ask Piotrus to help me reword some parts there. //Halibutt 13:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Sadly, much of my sense of humour is lost in translation :) . Anyway, thanks again for your hard work, I really appreciate that. I think that I already addressed most of the issues at our to-do list. Hopefully the article is now readable by some non-informed reader. I also sent an e-mail to the Mauthausen Memorial to ask their advice on some questions that still need to be solved.

As to your latest comment at my talk page, you wrote that the last section needs topical reorganization (by camps, much like the first part). My problem is that I'm not sure what section you mean. Is it the "Inmates"? If so, then I'm not sure such a reorganization is really needed, as in all camps the treatment of the prisoners, the labour they did and the internal system were almost identical. What differed were the companies that used them and the facilities available locally, but this is already explained in the first part. Or perhaps I got you wrong? //Halibutt 13:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Aspazija

Hello Renata, thank you for your translation of this article, something, I had waited for quite a while. I used it for a German translation. Thanks, best regards. --Gf1961 08:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your hint re: the quality loss by cascading translations (In Germany it's a childrens game by the way, letting a group mutilate a sentence, transporting it via whispering in each next one's ear :->). I am aware of the problem and pointed it out on the German discussion page for the article. In my opinion, even bad articles invite people to participate and make it better, hopefully native speakers as well. Greetings, --Gf1961 16:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:PROD

Hey, just wanted to let you know that WP:PROD still works! A backup system is in place to handle the organization of when the PROD tags were added. Cheers! --lightdarkness ^(talk) 03:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your work when I was impersonated, and taking appropriate action. The JPS 15:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Old Skool Esperanzial note

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower ^háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for the markup tweak. You rock. --Kickstart70-T-C 04:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

WW2 images are out of copyright clearly. They were created 65 years ago. The third image I found online by google search. In addition to that, I see you are Lithuanian, thus please see the Armia Krajowa article. The section on relations with Lithuanians is presently unsourced, as well is getting some doubtful editing from time to time. Sources however are presented in talk page by Lysy, Halibutt and others, but for some reasons not added to the article - add them. I know something about the subject but too little and I am far from both Poland and Lithuania. D'Italia 17:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, source is here: http://www.lrytas.lt/ekstra/archyvas/2001/0305/ . Scroll down.

Lithuania bounty

I've added $5 to your Lithuania bounty offer, in the hopes of helping that systemic bias thing. I wasn't sure about the best way to edit Wikipedia:Reward board to add my offer; please feel free to rephrase the bounty offer as you prefer. -- Creidieki 19:54, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

On this topic, would you consider music of Lithuania acceptable? Part of it does/should cover pop culture, so I thought I'd ask first. Tuf-Kat 22:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Graves Brothers

Thanks for the heads up on the Graves Brothers stub. I checked it out and it was bar-non the worst article i have seen at Wikipedia (no offense intended, it just was b-a-d). "Uaroy" Greaves is actually "Aaron" Graves (i was shocked to see that dumb old error perpetuated here) and using Rolling Stone as a lead-in to describe these folks, as if they only had creds when patronized by rock reviewers, is just barrel-scraping, in my opinion, in lieu of real research. Well, i shuffled it up a little, but really, it needs to be rewritten from scratch. Ugh. Ghastly. Catherineyronwode 04:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. Two things: (1) Graves Brothers is a fine title, and no others need be made, but the poor little stub does need a total of 6 re-directs -- from Roosevelt Graves, from Blind Roosevelt Graves, from Blind Roosevelt Graves and Brother, from Uaroy Graves, from Aaron Graves, and from Mississippi Jook Band. (2) As for written soruces for the other musicians on my list -- "early Down Home Blues" by Jeff Titon and "Songsters and Saints" by Paul Oliver come to mind as sources; most any book by Paul Oliver is good, but some of his others refer more to the music than to the personages. By the way, i greatly admire your Lithuanian work -- you are truly dedicated. I just spent the morning writing in an obscure "occult grimoires of 18th century France that pretend to be Jewish but are actually Christian corner of the Wikipedia, and i must get to work at my real job, so ta-ta for now. In friendship, Catherineyronwode 20:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Requestion your Suggestions re Featured Lists

I notice you often comment on Featured List requests - I think that List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints meets the criteria; however, since I am new to that process I am asking for any advice/suggestions to identify any deficiencies prior to nomination. thx in adv. Trödel 02:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thx for the suggestions - will get to work on it over the next few weeks. FYI - it is a comprensive list the increase in 1999-2000 was the result of a change to the design that allowed much smaller temples to be built (and thus made them less expensive). Trödel 12:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

References

wikipedija reikalauja, kad informacija butu patikrinama (verifiable), nemanau kad visiems trivialiems dalykams reikia duot nuorodas i kitus saltinius. Sigitas 13:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Donatas Vencevičius

Thanks very much for the swift edit. Runcorn 18:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

Administrator Coaching The Administrator Coaching program is a program aimed at preparing Wikipedians for Adminship or helping them understand the intricacies of Wikipedia better. Recently, changes have been made to the requirements of coachees. Please review them before requesting this service. This would be something like the Welcoming Committee, but for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. Some might like suggestions about how to learn vandal patrol, or mentoring on taking an article to featured status, or guidance with a proposal they plan to make at the Village Pump, for example. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins. Stressbusters The Stressbusters are a subset of Esperanza aiming to investigate the causes of stress. New eyes on the situation are always welcome! Note from the editor As always, MiszaBot handled this delivery. Thank you! Also, congratulations go to Pschemp, Titoxd and Freakofnurture for being elected in the last elections! An Esperanzial May to all of the readership!

The last AC meeting (full log) Posting logs of the Esperanza IRC channel are explicitly banned anywhere. Violation of this rule results in deletion and a ban from the channel. A disclaimer is going to be added to the Esperanza main page. We are humans and, as such, are imperfect. Various revisions have been made to the Code of Conduct. Please see them, as the proposal is ready to be ratified by the community and enacted. All members will members to have to re-confirm their membership after accepting the Code of Conduct. Referendums are to be held on whether terms of AC members should be lengthened and whether we should abolish votes full stop. Admin Coaching reform is agreed upon. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, Pschemp and Freakofnurture 20:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Images

Argh! Yes, I'm having some issues tagging photos lately, and I don't know what the proper tags are. I have [two that I've uploaded] but I don't know what category they fall under. The first one, [StudioB], is a recently taken photo from trojanvision.com, and they have no problems with it being attached to the article Trojan Vision. The second is the berkeley photo you edited that's on the USC School of Cinema-Television page, and it's from the University of Southern California Cinema Library -- It was taken over 50 years ago, perhaps by someone who is no longer alive, and I don't believe the school owns its copyright, just the physical image. If you could help me label these so they don't get deleted, I'd really appreciate it! --UnderPressure, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Cam Gordon.jpg

Ha! Thanks for bringing it to my attention... I uploaded it a while back and was very mistaken about the liscence (in more ways than one.) I marked it for speedy deletion. Grandmasterka 07:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

RE: Image:Boiceville_station.jpg & Image:Brodheads_bridge.jpg

I have changed the copyright status of these images from {{PD-ineligible}} to {{PD-old-50}}, and I am sorry I didn't do tht earlier. I must have forgotten to. Kschwerdt514 3:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Re Image:BattleOfBrownstown.jpg

If you actually *look* at the image, you will see that it is NOT a photograph, but a diagram. I've found a tag that seems a little more appropriate, but it's NOT given as an option on the image upload page, and consequently, I don't know that the new image is acceptable. I earned my livelihood from IP, and I am very aware of IP rights. This isn't a matter of rights, but an issue of Wikipedia protocol; still, I'd like to conform there, too. ClairSamoht 12:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Lupo's RFC

I agree with you: this is an extremely complicated legal matter. However, in Anglo-Saxon law as well as in a lot of others, a complicated matter is resolved by two possible ways: 1) Either there exists a clearly defined law or policy forbidding (or authorizing) something. 2) Either there exists a court case proving or disproving it. Lupo was unable to provide us with none of those. So he has no power whatsoever to do what he did. -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 17:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

From here:

"These are cases where I would generally not delete the entry unless the alleged copyright holder complains. Given Wikipedia's potential liability, after a complaint, immediate action may be necessary, although later correction is possible. But it is not Wikipedians' job to excessively "police" content for copyright infringements, especially when such may not even exist.

And what Lupo did was just the opposite. -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 17:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

copying Kuban Kazak's answer from my own talk page -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF)

Renata, if you go on any Russian website you will find that all works published even after 1973 are displayed and not in a thousand years will anybody try to persecute anyone. Moreover the way Soviet mentality was that everything is common. So published works in the Soviet Union could have been used for any purpose. That is the way it is now in Russia. --Kuban Cossack 17:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

In the US there is a clause The defendent is assumed innocent until proven guilty in that case until wiki is actually accused by an external, ie, Russian author (which is less likely to happen than the moon falling from the sky). It is wrong to just have some vigilante make rules on images that he does not even use himself--Kuban Cossack 17:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Alhawsawi.jpg

Passport photos are not copyrightable. I'm not around much, but I wrote a great deal of the Wikipedia:Copyrights information, and I'm familiar with international copyright. If you doubt that passport photos are ineligible for copyright, ask one of the experts like User:Lupo, or list in on WP:PUI. All the best, – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 19:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Casp6 T281 small.gif

I had permission to use any and all images from Rosetta's team, see comment from Head Scientist "Please use any and all images you want. thanks!" http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=1319#12928

Speedy deletion

Regarding the article Image:HOUSE OF CARDS DISC2-30(2).jpg, which you tagged for speedy deletion with the reason "This image is a redundant (all pixels the same or scaled down) copy of Image:HOUSE OF CARDS DISC2-30(2).jpg, which is on Wikipedia (not Commons), and all inward links have been updated", I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This article does not qualify for speedy deletion because the image is not scaled down or duplicate, it is larger. If you still want the article to be deleted, please use the WP:IFD process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 22:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Image-03: Alex Theatre (Glendale, California)

I seem to be having major problems keeping this image from being deleted. The image is not mine, but I did get permission to use it from the author (see source on image). What tag should it have? Please DO NOT delete this image. Thanks.--Metron4 03:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks for adding a better tag.--Metron4 18:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Yet another request

Hi there, it's been a long time... I've been a bit out of touch with the wiki due to a RL situation, but now I may have some time to edit again. I wanted to ask you if you could have a look at User:Rune.welsh/FLC at some point and update as you see fit, specially regarding the "Other precedent" section regarding recent nominations. This is by no means urgent, of course.

Hope you're doing alright. How's school going? -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 10:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

FL-Tri Nations

Hi Renata, I responded to your comments at the FLC page. But I'm not sure which direction to take the history (as its already longer than Swedish football champions and English football champions). Any other help would be much appreciated. Cheers. Cvene64 06:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your gift. Stephen B Streater 12:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Incivility

I consider the suggestion of WP:FLRC as a response to another featured list I wrote to be incivil and frankly rude.

It takes a lot of effort to create a featured list. FLC is to create better, nicer better organised lists. Objections should have a basis aside from personal taste. There is no 'standard' template for lists.

--Cat out 15:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Huh? I honestly don't get your point. My point was that there is a procedure to remove lists that don't deserve to be featured. That means that any featured list is not "untouchable." Maybe some lists met the standards when they were nominated but now the standards might be higher and the list does not meet them anymore. I am trying to say that using old featured list as the golden standard is not such a good practice. Simply, if there is something to improve about a list, it should be. Renata 16:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I am well aware of the procedure, there is no need to mention it in a FAC. I never implied it was "untochable". You might have your own standards but flc does not. After a point it is a matter of taste and thats something quite contraversial.

What do you suggest in place of the dvd cover images? Episode screenshots?

--Cat out 17:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I asked a couple of users what they think and so far I got no response. But I believe screenshots would be better. Renata 18:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Umm actualy I can give you the answer. On List of Oh My Goddess episodes, article originaly had screenshots of individual episodes. During the featured nomination people said that was a violation of fair use and hence I started using dvd covers. That is why I started using dvd covers. Plus we use less images this way. --Cat out 18:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Galactic-Ruckus.jpg

As per User_talk:Moeron#Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Galactic-Ruckus.jpg, I have created the article and have designated I am using the album cover under fair use. Please contact me if there is further problems. Thanks!--MOE.RON ^{talk | done | doing} 19:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Must I provide something beyond having the album cover presented in the album infobox, as per Ruckus (album)?--MOE.RON ^{talk | done | doing} 19:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Final time I will bother you, I promise :) Can you take a look at Image:Galactic-Ruckus.jpg now and tell me if this is acceptable or not? Thanks!

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article tent pegging, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for a great nom! 01:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair Use Images

Hi,

I wanted to raise an issue and think that you will be a good person to discuss before proceeding. This is with regards to misinterpretation of "Fair Use" that is done by a lot of editors while adding images to articles. Specifically, I have seen a lot of articles using TV/Movie screenshots and other images in very high screen resolution. Morover, a lot of them also don't seem to follow "using a limited number of screenshot" policy and bend it quite easily. Had the problem been with a couple of articles, I would have raised the issue myself. However the magnitude made me start thinking about alternatives. What do you suggest? -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with everything you said. Even I have experienced what you are telling. Unfortunately its not easy to get people understand them. People will always choose "easy" over "right", and more so because the former makes the encyclopedia look better. The required rules and policies are always there but implementation is missing. What I plan to do from now on is oppose the use inappropriate fair-use images in articles going to FAC. You seem to be doing something similar. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 11:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Ačiu. Gal turi minciu del siu mano nuotrauku [3], gal tiktu kokia i dienos paveiksliuka (nebloga lazdyno ziedai). Algirdas 15:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

DYK updates to suggestions while updates in progress

It is dangerous to update DYK suggestions while a refresh is in progress (which is why we put the "CAUTION" banner in the refresh area, did you see it?) , at least while I am doing it because I keep the entire suggestion subsection open for edit while I am doing it. You may want to take some history diffs to see if your updates made it into the version I saved, and if not, redo them, without losing the changes I made... Sorry for any inconvenience, and thanks for your suggestions!... ++Lar: t/c 03:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC) (PS you can/should answer here as I keep an eye on talk pages where I start threads)

1FA

Short answer : Yes. - Mailer Diablo 06:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for Laurynas picture

Renata, thank you for your support that I as newcommer value very much. Laurynas page looks much nicer. Juraune 19:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Teddy bears missed you

Thank you! I'm glad I have friends around. *Wipes tears (of JOY!) from eyes* -- 127.*.*.1 02:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

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Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Nevėžis River, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Cactus.man ✍ 18:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

About Juozas Lukoševičius article

I only remember Wikifiing the article, not created it. I don't no why the history says I created it.

Re:userpage

It's fine. You're not the first one to do it, but you're certainly more subtle. :) -→Buchanan-Hermit™/!? 08:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Homeland Union

Hello. Since you know Lithuanian, I was wondering if you could help come up with a better translation for the party described here. I think ...and Exiled Christian Democrats would be fine, but I just wanted to check with you. Thank you. Biruitorul 18:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the move!Biruitorul 03:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Motto of the Day

I'd be interested in doing a little help here and there regarding motto of the day. ...._(Complain)^{(Let us to it pell-mell)} 10:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Just a query: can I comment about other's mottos? ...._(Complain)^{(Let us to it pell-mell)} 05:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

TVRage.com

This was deleted some time ago (February I'm assuming), and you said if it got in the top 100,000 on Alexa, it could return. Now, it's in the top 20,000, so is it notable enough for wikipedia yet? Amaas120 05:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

You might be interested

There is a dispute[4] Which might interest you. --Molobo 14:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Req. of protection

Hello. Article Vytautas the Great suffering major vandalism, could you please prohibit editing at least for unregistered users? M.K. 17:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, in this point to talk ti them I believe is pointless M.K. 19:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Elderates

Labas. Aš eilinį sykį apie savo žemėlapius (jei dar nenusibodau :) ) - padariau šiokį tokį seniūnijų žemėlapį (čia), tai jei kada reiktų angliško varianto, sakyk, mėginsiu padaryt (taip pat ir rajonų žemėlapius su pažymėtom seniūnijom kada nors kai darysiu - kai bus potencialios klaidos ištaisytos). Knutux 14:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

IFD

Thanks for all the work finding silly images for deletion. However, policy requires that the uploader be notified (preferably using {{idw|Image:Example.png}}) before we can delete. Regards, howcheng {chat} 16:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you think this is neutral?

Do you think this description is neutral ? [5] --Molobo 23:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Sweet gesture

I got your message. That's the nicest thing I've read anywhere on Wikipedia. So I'm keeping it in my award section (it's my favorite award of the them all). --Go for it! 14:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm Polish

I see you have counted me as Russian, I am Polish actually :P Cheers. --Molobo 11:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Kernave Pajauta.jpg

Many thanks, it looks much better now. I've also lightened the coulour a bit. --Lysy^talk 17:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Form of government

Heya Renata,

Thanks for the praise, but I suppose my talents mostly extend to clicking on squares with a paint bucket tool with some degree of effectiveness. The starting point was List of governments by form of government, but some commentary and feedback from other editors has led it to deviate somewhat, and we've basically concluded that the list could do with some work. While I've been trying to keep it as cut-and-dried as possible, there's no doubt that there are some nagging grey areas--for instance, Finland has given us some headaches, and I know that in the Baltics the various Presidents are a little more active politically than might be seen in Ireland or Germany. The Tom 19:45, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Photo gallery of Lithuania

Hello Renata, Yesterday i have added a photo gallery to Lithuania: http://ee-photo.com/categories.php?cat_id=17&sessionid=5ac41846239b95866c4f9f845df62133 And then you have removed it stating it is spam. I can't see why, this site has 153 photos of Lithuania currently (Vilnius, Kaunas, Klaipeda, Klaipėda, Kedainiai, Kėdainiai, Siauliai, Šiauliai etc.), it is a non commercial site also. Please elaborate why you believe it is spam. Regards, Daniel

Since you have no talk page, I will reply here. Lithuania article has only official links - Seimas, President, other institutions, official travel guides, etc. It's good to keep it this way because soon people are going to be adding bunch of their home-made stuff., I left your link on Vilnius. Renata 02:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Renata, Now i see what was the point of removing that link, i agree with you on keeping just the official sites there, but i didn't know about this before. I have just contacted you because i don't agree the page is spam.

No problem. "Rv spam" is just a very short & quick way to say that I have removed an external link. It's not a statement :) Have a nice day, Renata 19:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

You too! :)

M-G

Thanks. Large part of it is your work actually :) I'd really have to reconsider my proficient nitpicker remark actually. //Halibutt 06:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Requesting opinion

Hi,

Its me again. This time there is a serious copyright issue I want your opinion on. Please check the discussion at the Indian Notice Board. The problem concerns the use of images that were taken nearly 100 years back. Under the Indian copyright law, the works before 70 years are ineligible for copyright. However, in this case, the newspaper's website is "Selling" these images. They are displaying thumbnails and promising high resolution images in return of money. The issue is whether the images that are displayed in the website can be used on Wikipedia, and if yes, would it fall under {{PD-India}}. For details of the debate, please go through the discussion going on. You may wish to reply in the on-going discussion or at my own talk page. Also, if possible please take up this issue with other senior and experienced wikipedians you know who can help in this regard. Thanks, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 09:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Jogaila of Lithuania

Hi. Would you be ready to accept a compromise re naming Wladyslaw II Jagello Of Poland? I mean, does the article name need anything more than Jagiello ? How does this formulation feel from a Baltic viewpoint? Shilkanni 22:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Merge/Deletion of article

Labas, netycia sukuriau antra straipsni apie laikinaja vyriausybe Provisional Government of Lithuania, nepamates, kad jau egzistuoja Lithuanian underground government. As nezinau kaip man istrinti savo nauja straipsni. Be to manau kad pavadinimas "Lithuanian underground government" yra neteisingas, nes prie vokieciu laikinoji vyriausybe veike viesai, tai nebuvo pogrindine organizacija . Siulau pavadinti sena straipsni "Provisional Government of Lithuania (1941)", o nauja istrinti Sigitas 16:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Lietuviški ogg-failai

Labas Renata,
aš labai džiaugiausiu, kad du tiek daug ogg-failų įkalbėjai. Todėl aš turiu vieną klausimą: Ar tu galėtum dar šitus žodžius įkalbėti?

• Artūras Paulauskas
• Arvydas Sabonis
• Vytautas Landsbergis
• Kazimiera Prunskienė
• Nemunas
• Lietuvos Geležinkeliai
• Lietuvos nacionalinis radijas ir televizija
• Kryžių kalnas

Tu turi labai gerą ištarimą, tikrai labei puiku :) Atsiprašau už mano klaidas, aš labai ne be kalbėjau lietuviškai. Iki --Jcornelius19:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

A short Esperanzial update

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Laima

Could you do me a little favour please? I am in the process of translating Laima for German wikipedia. The English article has a sentence, I don't or don't want to understand. She was protector for incesting (right after interview in italics). Is that vandalism or simply a false translation? Could you check that plaese and take appropriate action or leave it alone, if I am wrong. Thank you. ----Gf1961 10:01, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into it and your advice re quality of article. ----Gf1961 11:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Motto of the day out of mottos

Ya... There are no more!--digital_me^{(TalkˑContribs)} 17:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I have put up one for today, and I'll do the rest of the week.--digital_me^{(TalkˑContribs)} 17:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

FLC List of circulating currencies

Heya there. Has your objection to this nomination been satisfied? I think it can be promoted but don't have much time to check on your objection. Re on the nom page. Thanks! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 12:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Rajonas

Congratulations, Renata, for your splendid job on Lituanian municipalities. I translated it into french recently, and of course you will be duly credited in the discussion page. For sure there are still many red links and it will probably take long to have them become blue. Cheers and thanks again.
Archibald Tuttle 17:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Rybeńko

Cute userpage :) While we are moving nicknamed Radziwiłłs, there is one we've missed: Michał Kazimierz "Rybeńko" Radziwiłł. Any ideas how to translate Rybeńko? AFAIK this specific diminuative of 'fish' was invented and used by him... in other words, should we translate idiolects? My gut feeling is that no. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 01:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

It will be a pleasure to meet you at Wikimania :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up

Plz see response on talk:1632 series // FrankB 09:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

e-mail

done. //Halibutt

Dragonfly list FL status

Hi. Can you let me know if you feel that all issues with List of dragonflies recorded in Britain have now been addressed? Thanks SP-KP 22:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

BAFTA Award for Best Film FLC

I've resolved most of your objections. If you could take a look at the table for the 40's and tell me what's good and whats bad it'd be appreciated. ...._(Complain)^{(Let us to it pell-mell)} 08:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Good job on pronunciation

Thanks for adding the pronunciation ogg files to all those Lithuanian articles. heqs 21:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Language check

If you have the time could you look at Palanga International Airport and the external official airport site. It looks as if it might have been copied but I can't tell if it's a direct cut and paste or if it's been rewritten. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Motd

I noticed that there want one yesterday so i added one, in did the same for today and tomoz, i was wondering if you are still the overseer of the project. If you need help with it i will gladly join in. Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 08:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out! It would be great if you could take over the whole thing since my schedule as predictable as stock market :) So, let me know. I scheduled the mottos for the whole month of July. Renata 21:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Id gladly take it off your hands, i'm not really running anything project wise so i'll have plenty of time to do it :-> Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 09:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I have time to be an adjunct overseer.Geo. 20:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I meant that i would be willing to be a assistant to Childzy and do the overseer duties when he is away.Geo. 20:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Meetup

Labas Renata, nuo spalio 1 gyvensiu ir dirbsiu Albany, New York, butu malonu susitikti pintai alaus NYC. Sigitas 12:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

...for the kind words!  :) --Elonka 22:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Tips

"Lithuanian vs. of/in Lithuania: same as lietuvių vs. Lietuvos. Lithuanian apply only to ~85% of residents of Lithuania while of/in Lithuania apply to all 3.5M residents" Drįsčiau nesutikti. Anglų kalboje/sąmonėje Lithuanian vargu ar suvokiamas etnine prasme (o veikiau kaip "iš Lietuvos", o kalbant apie žmones "turintis Lietuvos pilietybę"). Pvz. Albanians vartojamas kalbant apie Albanijos piliečius, o kalbant apie Jugoslavijos albanus sakoma "ethnic Albanians". O tai reikštų, kad Lithuanian suvokiamas "nationality" prasme, kuri, savo ruožtu, šiuolaikinėje anglų reiškia ne tautybę (ethnicity), o pilietybę.Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 16:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Batman FLC

I'm starting those articles. I've developed 10 stubs. I'll expand the plot to two or three paragraphs and complete the cast section, then move to the next ten stubs. I'm using featured article List of Oh My Goddess episodes as template for this operation.--T-man, the wise 21:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit sumary

Is it really necessary, or recomended? --Lokyz 19:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

At the time I do not want to become an admin:) I just love to structure out things:) Yup, I know alt+p:) I'm just too much in a hurry sometimes:) and - check this (mess) out User:Lokyz/tools/sandbox/Wikiproject Lithuania maybe it could become a real Wikiproject, and a real tool for timesaving.--Lokyz 20:13, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Some old move question

Hi, I see you moved Nida, Lithuania to Nida (town) a year ago. Is there a policy that prefers (town) over , Lithuania? Just wondering. Renata 18:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

No idea, really. Probably I wanted to be consistent with something or did it for future consistency reasons but don't remember now. I don't mind renaming if you find another name better for the article. --Lysy^talk 08:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

mania

Hi! It was nice to meet you at Wikimania! :-) I hope you increased your opinion on it ;-) Keep doing the good work here. :) Domas Mituzas 07:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Your RfA

My part is mostly donea and moved the page to Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Renata3 (3) already. If you don't have any major objections sign your acceptance and let me know once you do it. I'd then sign the nomination and post it in the RfA page. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 12:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• You're off to a smashing 10-0 start. I figured you would sail through. Let me be the first (hope I'm not jinxing anything!) to say "Congratulations!" :) --Durin 15:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The nomination is looking real nice. Enjoy the ride! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 16:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I am bad editor, so i voted as oppose just for intrigue. M.K. 18:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC) p.s. joking, just joking :)

A smile for you...

Michael has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Michael 07:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Cities

At first I put them down as cities but then I saw another city on the list which had the word "town" in it so it confused me a little, then I changed the others to town, but from now on I'll keep it in mind. And as for staying, I don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon ;). Andrius 09:25, 11 August (UTC)

The image mess

Hi, How can I help? Cheers,  :) Dlohcierekim 22:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your NOTE I am beginning to understand what to do and will take a look. Thanks. :) Dlohcierekim 23:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Ye gad

Hi, Before I get started and screw things up. And really get yelled at. I find no rationale for the use of these images and don't see them as essential. Also, they are high resolution. AM I right or wrong? Do I speedy~

Image:175 sami omar alhussayen.jpg

Image:13C chemical shifts.gif

Image:17June1953DemonstratorsInBerlin.jpg

Cheers,

 :) Dlohcierekim 02:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I can tell that it will be a while before I can be effective. Thanks for explaining the individual imges.  :) Dlohcierekim 13:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Your Answers

Hi,

Don't get angry over me on the RfA questions. One doesn't need to be a copyright expert to answer these questions. I just wanted your opinion on the Foxtrot image and framed it in the form of an RfA question (since your RfA was on). Your answers were great (as much as my understanding of policies go), and I expected them that way. Even I was unsure about how to go about the FPC pages. Cheers, — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 16:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Mediation?

Here would be appreciated, or anything to stop this from becoming a revert war.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  18:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually it appears this is not an isolated incident: [6], [7]. I find this is a disturbing development, especially as I don't think any Polish user has ever removed 'Suvalkai' from Suwałki or would argue that it should be done. I'd ask you to revert the removal of those edits (and any you find in the future) and as a person who writes a lots about this period, I can assure you having Polish names is not some kind of nationalist pride but is simply useful, as many sources (Polish, English) use Polish names and they should be mentioned in the articles to prevent any confusion when a user follows a redirect (or simply types in a Polish name from a book they are reading)).-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  19:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Remind me, please, that today Kaunas city etc. have common with today Suvalkai? And if you read Polish books the best thing for finding Polish names is Polish sources. M.K. 19:26, 12 August 2006 (UTC)p.s. if you want to talk with me use mine talk; i do not want to repeat what I said there here again.

Both were part of the PLC, both had substantial Polish and Lithuanian speakers communities in their times, and even through they are in different countries now both former names should be used. Besides: Dubinki=102 mentions, Dubingai=7. Oh, and Kowno=6k, Kaunas=10k - I'd think that the name half as popular and used in hundreds of book deserves at least one mention in the article. If not, then you would agree that Suwałki=2,5k has no need to mention Suvalkai (barely 100 hits).-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  20:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I would like to repeat my request that you restore Polish (and Belarusian, and German, and other) names at articles about current Lithuanian cities and such. Their lack is an ommission of important encyclopedic knowledge. :( -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  00:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Can you lead by example P.P., and add Liublinas to the lead of Lublin? You know due to the "importance" of shared histories of the PLC, and the "notability" of the Union of Lublin. Wasn't importance and notability Halibutt's rationale in adding Polish names to Lithuanian geographical entities. Can you demonstrate how these changes should be reverted back where Lithuanian names apply? I think my change regarding Lublin was reverted a couple of times before. Check with Balcer. Btw, can you help to add the Lithuanian names of Polish toponyms throughtout English Wikipedia. I'd be happy to get you help on it too. Thanks in advance. Dr. Dan 03:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

You both, out of my talk page: here is the place for such talks. Renata 03:11, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Fair use rationale

Thank you for the advice! I maintain a Fair Use Rationale boilerplate, which continues to improve. However, you put as one of the rationales "The image used for educational and informational purposes by Wikimedia Foundation, a non-profit organization." Are you sure we can use this rationale, since Wikipedia is mirrored by other websites with different intents? —this is messedrocker (talk) 19:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Question on inconsistency

First - Thanks for the support :D (Ačiū).
Secondly, say if I see some inconsistency in terms of stubs - e.g. Marijampolė is a stub while Tauragė isn't, since they seem quite similar - are they both stubs or is neither a stub?

And also, would a featured list count as a featured article on the template? (Common sense says yes, but I'm not completely sure) Andrius 14:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Adminship

June last year, you wished me good luck becoming an admin, and I kept the message on my user page. Today, I finally succeeded! Looks like the good luck finally caught up with me. Soo 16:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Diacritics and page moves

Hi! Recently several editors, including yourself, have reverted edits by User:Gene Nygaard which moved pages to diacriticless titles, or expressed concern at the moves on his talk page. Despite this, Gene has carried on making many moves of this type, some of which will require admin work to revert - this behaviour is becoming disruptive, and is reducing consistency in article naming schemes. Further comments, suggestions and opinions would be welcome either at User talk:Gene Nygaard or at the section started by Renata3 at WP:AN/I. I believe this may require a report at RfM - please let me know if you think this would be a suitable action or otherwise. Aquilina 16:59, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I was genuinely concerned - I had some of these articles on my watchlist, and was worried when I saw how many articles were being moved in such a short time and I noticed there was a large consensus against this. Finally, when he said that I wasn't experienced enough to be listened to I didn't feel I had any other option than AN/I.

This is going to be a big issue in the future - some ice hockey contributors have decided to strip all hockey players of their diacritics - see Talk:Marian Gaborik and Talk:Teemu Selänne and the contributions of the posters. It's clear from how heated those discussions have become that this will spill out to other areas too. There is now some attempt to patch this up language by language - see here and here - but I can't see this fragmented approach working.

Happily, it looks like this will all clear up now in the short term. Good luck with your RfA in the meantime - I dropped by the ballot box yesterday...! Aquilina 18:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Gene has carried on his quest to highlight naming mistakes through page moving - I've left another note on WP:AN/I. If you have any further suggestions, it would be nice to hear them! Aquilina 17:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats on your adminship, it is well deserved. I will soon be largely unavailable for editing for a considerable period of time; if you could keep an eye on the above matter it would be much appreciated - your shiny new tools and buttons might help with cleaning up his mess! (Speaking of which, could you sort Detinja out...?). User:Freakofnurture has suggested opening an RfC against him - this could be a worthwhile option to pursue, and I will find time to chip in a statement if necessary.

See you round, Aquilina 19:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Pics Dobkevicius

Now it should be OK? Tag PD-old is alright I think. Isn't it? Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 20:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of people with epilepsy

Hi Renata. Thanks for your comments on this article. I've also made a substantial number of changes, making the article considerably larger and more comprehensive than when you last reviewed it. I experimented with the table format that CG suggested. Like you, I thought the bullet list was neat enough. In the end, I decided the tables made it easier to read and looked tidier. I can see that you are really busy at the moment. I'd really appreciate if you could spare some time to review and add your opinion. Thanks very much. If I can return the favour, let me know. Colin°^Talk 21:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I've fixed the date column and added a longer introduction as requested by others.

I appreciate your concerns about relying on one source. Having the inline citations in their own column makes this stand out like a sore thumb! Many list articles rely on just a few key sources that are listed at the bottom as "References". I've been explicit in indicating the source(s) for every name, so it is more obvious. The LPwE article currently has 85 references, so I haven't just plucked the names out of one book!

Hughes long paper is an important one for this article and is unusual in dealing with so many people in one place. Most papers just deal with a single person. His research was extensive and that paper's own reference list is 154 entries long. I ensured that the LPwE article includes details of those cases where there is disagreement (amongst scholars) over whether someone had epilepsy or not. I plan add even more references and comment here to ensure a balanced reflection of the current debate (where there is one).

This list is now starting to get some support. Perhaps if you can add yours, it might encourage others? Cheers, Colin°^Talk 09:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for taking the time to review this list, and for your support. Cheers, Colin°^Talk 13:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations

Congratulations on your newly-minted adminship. --Cyde Weys 14:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Now let's play around with the new button a bit... :) Renata 14:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Do what I did ... delete a few userboxes, it really helps relieve the tension and stress. Until someone notices what you did and starts yelling at you for it, anyway. --Cyde Weys 14:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Nah, I will with my own newbie mess :) At least no one will yell at me. Renata 14:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, you're now an admin

You're now an admin, so use the shiny new tools to make this a better place and keep it improving. Be conservative with them especially at first, and re-read the policy before acting and ask questions as needed. Then dig in and help with the backlogs. Again, congrats, and have fun - Taxman ^Talk 14:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, and have a nice time being the ADMIN:) !! M.K. 14:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! - CrazyRussian talk/email 15:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Gratz! -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 15:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

:-D -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 15:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! Kirill Lokshin 17:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats from me too. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to the cabal club! :))—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations and good luck! :) --james^(talk) 01:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I didn't want to pile-on another support in your RfA, but I have noticed a lot of great work from you. Keep it up, and congratulations. ×Meegs 01:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

A Lithuanian admin, finally !!! :-) I'm sorry I missed the RfA. Congrats. --Lysy^talk 21:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, ALL. It is very nice and kind of you. I really appreciate it. I just don't believe in spamming people's talk pages with colorful & sarcastic boxes, so don't think I am being rude! Renata 14:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Notifying uploader

The bot is running on AWB and as far as I know there's unfortunatetly no way to get it to recognize who uploaded an image... I am however trying to not tag very recent uploads with it. --Fritz S. (Talk) 07:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Baran

Hi there. Congrats on your new broom and bucket! As to other issues, could you tell me what baran or baranas mean in Lithuanian? It's quite important as someone suggested that the name Baranauskas is typically Lithuanian and I wonder whether it has any meaning in Lithuanian at all. //Halibutt 12:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Renata, we're not speaking of Christian names, we're speaking of surnames. I wonder why would a Lithuanian adopt a Polish surname, Lithuanize it... and never use it in his entire life. But this is of course beating a dead horse. //Halibutt 19:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

...and that's precisely why Radziwill changed his surname to Kowalski, and then Lithuanized it to Kovalskis? :) Anyway, next week I'm meeting a girl from Kaunas and perhaps she'd be able to translate the word for me. Cheers! //Halibutt 01:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Strazdanėlės

Well I disagree. Because: 1."It is not notable" It was not just notabale, it was notorious among punks in Lithuania in 80' and 90'. It was The Aristocrats of subcultures in Lithuania.

2."It is unencyclopeadic". Unencyclopeadic yes, unwikipedic - no. Unencyclopeadic articles such as Time cube make Wiki different. That is what Wiki is about. It is open to all (subcultures too).

3. "It is unverifiable". It is verifiable. www.google.lt search words: pankai strazdaneles

4. "WP:NFT" It is proper Urban legend. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 04:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Lithuania infobox adjustments

Area is from std.lt. Population density is adjusted based on the modified area. GDP figures are from the IMF (using the 2005 figures which is what the ranking is based on). Sorry for not stating them explicitly. --Polaron | Talk 14:23, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Lithuanian WikiProject navigation box

Very nice box; so nice, in fact, that we're going to use it as an example for all other WikiProjects to follow. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 16:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, you did put it in a comment in the template, so it's not that hard ;-)

(Unlike some other projects... it's rather annoying when they copy everything but don't bother to change all the places where it suggests directing questions to the WP:MILHIST coordinators.) Kirill Lokshin 16:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hill of Witches image

Indeed I have a number of pictures of the Hill of Witches (I wonder how did you know this ?). The problem is that it's all in the trees now, so each picture would probably show only one or another of the sculptures, but not a general view. I'll have a look at it and try to select a representative sample later (in a couple of days). I appreciate your expanding the article from the stub. Some people (myself included) find it easier to collaborate in small steps: I would not add much to an article if nobody else touched it. --Lysy^talk 21:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

{{Lithuania-music-stub}}

was created out of process and is being discussed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries. FYI. - CrazyRussian talk/email 12:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Anton Corbjin- how to tag?

Hi, Renata

I have shrunk and reloaded one of his images. Then I got a message from ophanbot. Do we attribute his images some way other than fairuse?

Thanks,  :) Dlohcierekim 12:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note I guess I should have speedied it myself, but I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt. Thanks again, Cheers,  :) Dlohcierekim 19:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

copy rights

I am putting material togethe for my first article. I am unsure if I am allowed to use the images on this site, http://www.solwaybrown.co.uk/residential_stgeorges.htm are the images copyrighted or not? Cowarth 10:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

List of Gods

Šiaip labai gerai padarei, kad sujungei visus tuos straipsnelius. Nebuvo aišku ką su jais daryti.

Dabartinis sąrašas nėra taip labai apgailėtinas kaip gali pasirodyti iš pirmo žvilgsnio. Didžioji to priežastis yra ne tik kad kažkas liko nesurašyta, o kad nelabai ir aišku, ką ir kaip rašyti. Čia įdomus psichologinis momentas. Narbutas nepateikė jokių aiškų šaltinių, daugelis jo aiškinimų yra nepagrįsti niekuo, išskyrus aš taip noriu, bet daugelis skaitytojų juo žavėjosi. Priežastis turbūt labai paprasta. Jis sudarė aiškų, nedviprasmišką ir tvarkingą “dievų sąrašą”. Toks tvarkingumas yra matyt žmogau proto mėgstamas. Bet šiuo atveju mes negalime jo dirbtinai sukurti. Juk skirstydami į kažkokias kategorijas jau leidžiame manyti, kad tokios kategorijos lietuvių mitologijoje tikrai yra. O juk iš tikrųjų autentiški lietuvių mitologijos šaltiniai nežino išvis kuopinių dievų (kaip kad 'namų dievai', 'karo dievai' ir tt. - kitos tautos, graikai, suomiai, tokius dalykus turi). Taigi, visos kategorijos irgi yra sukurtos dabar, ir tada tenka klausti, kurio mitologo skirstymas priimtinas. Tas kuris užvirė šitą košę pirmas buvo aiškus Pranės Dundulienės pasekėjas. Kitas vėl išmetė net nuorodą į Pranės Dundulienės straipsnį, sakydamas: ten išvis ne mitologija o tik duomenų kratinys.

Žodžiu, viską tenka dėti tik taip, kaip yra neginčytina (nors beveik neginčytina). Todėl ir išeina viskas labai paprastai ir labai nepilnai. Bijau, kad čia sunku kažkokio pilnumo tikėtis. Geriau to sąrašo išvis nebūtų ... Jis jau iš pat pradžių atsirado kaip bandymas sutvarkyti būtent tuos straipsnelius, kurių ten buvo prirašyta be saiko.

Šiaip, sakau, nėra jis toks blogas. Tik kai kuriuos apibrėžimus reikia dar gerokai patikslinti. Kai kurie yra aiškiai perkrauti detalėmis, kiti vienapusiai (remiasi Narbutu turbūt per Dundulienę).

Jeigu viską sutvarkyti tik istorine tvarka iškrenta vienas svarbus dalykas. Yra taip, kad kai kurie vardai kartojasi keliuose šaltiniuose (Pvz., Perkūnas bene visuose) be to yra partvirtinti tautosakoje. Kai kurie ir ne sykį. Tai ir yra tikroji mitologija, nes yra kažkokių mitinių reikšmių. Tuo tarpu tokię sąrašai kaip Lasickio ar Stryjkowski'o mitologijos atžvilgiu yra mažai turiningi, nes jie duoda tik vardus. Šias dvi grupes būtina atskirti. Iš visų sąrašų tik Ipatijaus metraštyje yra ne sąrašas o atpasakotas padavimas/mitas ,bet ten būtent vardai nelabai aiškūs. Todėl Ipatijaus sąrašą geriau aprašyti Lithuanian mythology o list of Lithuanian gods palikti tik vardus (gal net slaviška Ipatijaus metraščio forma) su nuoroda į Lithuanian mythology. Aišku, būtų labai gerai jei kasnors parašytų ištisą straipsnį apie lietuviškus mitus Ipatijaus metraštyje ir jų tyrinėjimus. Medžiagos yra labai daug, bet ji nesutvarkyta. Žodžiu, dėl Ipatijaus labiau reikia ne sąrašo, o rišlaus paaiškinimo, kas ten išvis yra. Vardų sąrašas čia mažai duos.

Apskritai, nepatinka man tas List of Lithuanian gods tokia forma kaip yra, dar labiau nepatiktų jei ten nebebūtų pagrindinio sąrašo o liktų tik istorinis konspektas. Dalykas tas, kad pavyzdžiui niekas nededa pasaulio valstybių sąraše tokios valstybės kaip Utopia nors Thomas Morr vaizdavo Utopiją kaip esančią ir tikrą valstybę. Tas pats yra su tais sąrašais (Pirmasis, Ipatijaus metraštis yra visai normalus ir suprantamas šaltinis, – toliau prasideda visokios keistenybės). Iš tikrųjų, pavyzdžiui Lasickio sąrašas laikomas visiškai neaiškiu, o Narbuto požiūris, kad lietuvių dievai atitinka slavų – graikų panteoną (faktiškai jis parinko tik vardus ir ne visada tikrai lietuviškus) irgi yra gana ginčytinas. Todėl du ilgiausi sąrašai yra utopiniai. Gal tą sąrašą reikėtų kitaip pavadinti? Arba daryti atskiru sąrašus Lasicki, Narbutt, su pilnais vardų katalogais, bendrame sąraše paliekant tik tai, kas turi kokią nors aiškesnę reikšmę (Pavyzdžiui tokią dievaitę Nijolę – Neaišku, iš kur Narbutas ją ištraukė, bet vėliau tas vardas paplito ir yra grožinių kūrinių su veikėja deive Nijole ). Arba daryti dvi dalis: viena sąrašo dalis istorinė, kita apibendrinama. Toj apibendrinamoje dalyje turėtų būti kažkas panašaus į true gods ir doubted or fictional gods. Bet toks skirstymas yra nuolatinis karų šaltinis. Taip ir įsivaizduoju, kaip koks nors ramuvietis norės būtinai padaryti , tarkime, deivę Nijolę - “true”. Žodžiu, nežinau.

Gods list by Licinski? Perhaps Lasicki? Jei Lasicki, tai turiu visą tą sąrašą, bet nesu labai užsidegęs visko to sukrauti, ypač jeigu į bendrą sarašą List of Lithuanian gods. Dalykas tas, kad ten tikrai viskas yra smulkmenų lygio. Tokie dievų (??) vardai kaip kirnis, kr(i)ukis, srutis, pizius (na, galima manyti, tai nebuvo keiksmažodis, nors šiaip lietuvių kalba gana mažai keitėsi) sunkiai įvertinami ir buvo atmesti jau daugumos XIX amžiaus lenkų mitologų. Žodžiu, visa tai yra daugiau trivia than a real mythology. Tiesa, yra tame sąraše gal pusė, kurie neabejotinai turi ryšio su tikėjimu, bet tai įrodoma būtent tuo, kad jie žinomi iš kitur. Pats svarbusis Lasickio liudijimas yra paliudijimas tikėjimo Aukščiausiuoju Dievu, kuris ten pavadintas Auxteios Vissagistis (šitą faktą galima būtų įtraukti, plečiant Dievas (Lithuanian god)). Neabejotinai tikri yra Perkūnas (paminėtas Lasickio net dukart, lietuviškai, ir be jokio sąryšio su pirmu paminėjimu, prūsiškai tarmiškai), Žemyna, Gabija, keli -inis eilės vardai : Ežerinis, - Aitvaras, Kaukai. Taip pat galima spėti, kad Kerpyčius ar Šilinyčius irgi gali būti kokios dvaselės kaip kad Ežerinis. O šiaip dauguma ten paminėtų vardų svarbūs gal tik tuo, kad jais naudojosi kiti mitologai savo rekonstrukcijoms. Nežinau, kiek tokios rekonstrukcijos yra pagrįstos, bet manau kad būtų daug geriau jeigu sudarytume Narbuto sąrašą, jei reikia, su atitinkamom nuorodom į Lasickį ir tt. – Žinoma, wikipedi'jai tinka viskas, tinka ir Lasickio sąrašas. Bet geriau su juo palaukti kol bus bent kiek sutvarkyta visa likusi lietuvių mitologija. Linas Lituanus 12:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

This is a work for few months - because there are few reconstruction attempts - at least I do know Greimas, Vėlius (a bit ethnographicla) and Beresnevičius versions. Also ethnographical research sometimes seems productive. Just a minor problem - to put all these theories into comprehensive order would be at the verge of impossibility.--Lokyz 13:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Tai turbut isvada daugmaz tokia: sutvarkyti niekaip neiseis? :(

Jei nori sudeti pilna, issamia moksliniu tyrinejimu istorija, teks prasikankinti ne viena menesi, o gal ir metus. O tai jau research on its own right. Nekalbant dar apie tai, kur gauti saltinius... As po ranka tik turiu tik Beresneviciaus viena knyga. Dar galiu bandyti gauti Gimbutienes knyga, bet cia bus sudetingai. O kaip su Greimu, Velium? (beje, kas dar tokie nagrinejo sita painavyne, be Dundulienes? kiek grybauja Trinkunas, Romuvos krivis?)

Galima sudeti bobuciu pasakas, "perkunas buvo senas dedulis, kuris su zaibu velnia is po akmenu gainiojo." Bet tai, aisku, ne lygis ir mes galim geriau :)

Lasicki saraselio noreciau butent tam, kad butu galima pelus nuo grudu atrankioti. Jei atrasciau, pvz, kur nors Piziu, zinociau, kad jis is to saraselio ir ji per daug demesio kreipti nereikia. Ir siaip galvojau daryti mazdaug tokius saraselius: pagal Ipatiju tokie dievai, pagal ta anokie, pagal trecia dar tokie. Tipo saltiniu saraselis. Tada butu galima prideti komentarus, kad sitas autorius saltini interpretavo sitaip, o kitas kitaip. Ir istorinius komentarus: Ipatijus patikimas, Narbutas savo agenda turejo ir tvarke panteona kaip jam patiko, ispopuliarino tokius ir tokius vardus, Lasicki is vis nusigrybavo :) As tai matau kaip vieninteli buda kokia nors tvarka ivesti, nes skirstyti pagal kategorijas ("namu dievai, karo dievai") nepasiteisino. Dar vienas variantas, pagal abecele, manau komentaru net nereikalauja.

Tad ka manot? Kokius saltinius turit? Kokius galit gauti?

Dar vienas darbelis butu nutarti, kurie gi dievai savo asmeniniu straipsniu nusipelno... Renata 19:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Dundulienė, Greimas, Beresnevičius, Vėlius, Gimbutienė :)) - ir tai dar ne viskas. Iš esmės pirmi trys nagrinėjo būtent dievų vardus, kokie svarbiausi, kokie ne tokie svarbūs, ką reiškia kuris vardas ir tt. Dundulienė daugiau laikėsi Narbuto, o Beresnevičius Greimo. Vėlius ir Gimbutienė daugiau bandė nustatyti senovės lietuvių pasaulėžiūrą ar ką, jie ties vardais nelabai apsistodavo. Bet tai kaip sakau ne viskas. Kiek aš suprantu Mythology tai pirmiausia yra tai, ką žmonės pasakoja apie dvasinį gyvenimą ir, jei plačiau imsime, pasaulio sandarą. Savotiška vaizdais išreikšta filosofija. Bet ką mes turime mūsų mokslininkų (dar neminėjau J. Balio ir Z. Ivinskio), tai daugiau yra Religion (kai kur gal worship customs) negu Mythology. O iš tyrinėjusių gryną mitologiją, galima dar visiškai teisėtai imti Basanavičių, taip pat mūsų tautosakos instituto (dabar turbūt yra literatūros ir tautosakos, ten keitėsi) darbuotojus (pvz. Sauką, Bronislavą Kerbelytę), kurie tyrinėjo lietuvių pasakas.

Todėl ir tas sąrašas dabar tiek klausimų kelia. Jis iš pradžių buvo Lithuanian mythology dalimi, todėl sudėsčiau pagal tai kas randama iš tikrųjų mitologijos srityje (padavimuose, pasakose, dainose ir pan.) ir kas užrašyta kitame kontekste. Be to pastaruosius duomenis dar teko skirstyti į patvirtintus kelių nepriklausomų šaltinių ir abejotinus. Iš visų kito konteksto duomenų tik Ipatijaus metraščio įrašas yra pakankamai mitologiškas (ten pateiktas padavimas), visi kiti užrašai yra daugiausia apie paročius, su vardais (maždaug: garbino tą ir tą), bet nesigilinant nei į mitus nei į esmę.

Išvis, taip jau istoriškai susiklostė, kad parašyta labai daug darbų, bet niekas neparašė jokio apibendrinimo. Be to daug kas skubėjo “atkurt” religiją, nesirūpindami giliau panagrinėti pačių, padavimų, pasakų ir kt – tas trūkumas labai jaučiamas. Bet vis dėlto galima išskirti tris tyrinėjimų kryptis (1) teigimas, kad Lietuvių religija buvo primityvi aplinkinių daiktų garbinimo religija (remiamasi daugiausia Lasickiu,- Hermann Usener, iš dalies Pranė Dundulienė). (2) vienokio ar kitokiu mastu Graikų panteono taikymas lietuvių religijai ir visko aiškinimas pagal tai (Pradininkas bus be abejo Narbutt, XIX amžiuje turėjo pasekėjų gausybę, ypač tarp nelietuvių, lenkų, vokiečių autorių. (3) nagrinėjimas pagal tautosaką (tuo naudojosi daug kas, bet būtent čia darbai labiausiai padriki ir nesusiteminti – o būtent jų mums labiausiai ir reikia vardan verifiability). Ir dabar, jeigu skaitome kur nors (enciklopedijose ar panašiai) Lietuvių mitologijos aprašymą, tai paprastai būna vienas iš šitų trijų atvejų. O jeigu dar pridėsime, kad (4) daug kas išreiškė savo daugiau asmenišką supratimą, kaip atrodė senovės lietuvių pasaulėžiūra (Basanavičius, Gimbutienė, Vėlius, iš dalies ir Greimas, ir dar visa eilė mažesniu mastu), tai tikrai atrodys viskas labai supainiota.

Todėl, man atrodo taip: (4) požiūrį reikia surašyti prie atskirų autorių. Taip ir straipsniai apie atskiras asmenybes (Beresnevičių, Greimą, ir tt. ) įgis gražaus spalvingumo, kurio jiems taip trūksta. O į Lithuanian mythology įdėtume tik nuorodas Jonas Basanavičius, Marija Gimbutas ir tt. Nes jų visų asmeniniai tyrimai per sunkiai suvedami į kažką vientisa. Tuo tarpu (1) – (3) požiūrį reikia kažkaip derinti, nors ir nelengva. Labai norėčiau kad vyrautų (3), ypač kai kalbama apie mitologiją, bet čia kliūva tas nesistemingumas. (2), Narbuto požiūris, galėtų būti išdėstytas smulkiai, bet kiek atskirai (ten aiški sistema, ir nesinori, kad sudėjus su kitkuo viskas pavirstų į neišskiriamą maišalynę). Tai tokia galėtų būti bendra tvarka.

Jonas Trinkūnas kiek aš žinau jokios savo teorijos nėra sukūręs, bet surinkęs daug ką iš kitų. Šituos dalykus būtų gal geriau dėti į Romuva (church), nes iš tikrųjų Romuva ir yra didysis Trinkūno kūrinys ir jo “teorija” (jis teorijos, kiek žinau, nelabai pripažįsta, jo išpažinimas gyvi papročiai ir praktika). Tas straipsnis iš idėjos dabar nėra blogas, bet nelietuvis jo niekaip nesupras :):]:).

Atskirų straipsnių gal reikėtų apie tas dievybes, kur surašyta pirmoje dalyje. Be to, tiktų keli vardai iš Narbuto sąrašo, ypač tie, kurie turėjo atgarsių literatūroje (Milda, Nijolė, Praurimė). Žvaigždes (yra atskirai Sėlija, Žiezdrė) reikėtų surinkti į vieną atskirą straipsnį (išskyrus Aušrinę), kaip ir Ežerinius, Miškinius ir Girinius. Galimas straipsnis apie Sacred serpent (old Lithuanian religion). Nepalikime visko neišversta (kaip kad Žaltys), nes baisiai trukdo suprantamumui. Galų gale išeina visiškas klaidinimas, kai mūsų bendrinis žodis (kaip žaltys) anglų kalboje verčiamas tikriniu. − Kol kas tiek... Linas Lituanus 10:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Šiaip manau straipsnį reikia struktūrizuot pagal periodus, o ne pagal dievus. Religija (institucionalizuota)-Sinkretizmas-Liaudies tikėjimai (folkloras). Chronologiškai tai atrodytų maždaug taip: iki krikšto - po krikšto iki XVIII a ir nuo XIX a. Nes XIV a. ir XIX a. Perkūnas toli gražu nėra viena ir tas pats. Taip rūšiuojant medžiagą gautus tikslesnis ir gilesnis (atsispindėtų įvaizdžių, mitologemų evoliucija) vaizdas.Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 16:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Norėtųsi, bet kažin, ar tai yra pasiekiama. Faktiškai, viskas ką žinome apie Perkūną yra iš to paties XIX amžiaus. Visi duomenys iki tol paprastai yra ne mitologiniai o paprotiniai. Daugiausia apsiribojama tuo, kad Perkūnas buvo garbinamas ir kad jis susijęs su griausmu, perkūnija, dangumi. Tai, kas kalbama apie ankstesnius amžius yra kažkieno rekonstrukcijos. Todėl turi būti ir aiškiai pasakyta - kieno. Daryti mišinį iš visų rekonstrukcijų neaišku kokia proporcija būtų mums jėgų ir laiko švaistymas, nepaisant, kad aprašyti jas visas atskirai irgi didelis darbas. O tai kalbant apie Perkūną, kuris buvo minimas kone visų, kas apie lietuvių tikėjimą rašė (dar Gabija, kartais Šv. Ugnis, panašiai dažnai minima). Su kitais vardais iš mitologijos tuo atžvilgiu dar liūdniau. Linas Lituanus 20:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Pirmiausia, tai as nekalbu apie Lithuanian mythology straipsni. As cia tik apie dievu saraseli. Nes net neisivaizduoju nuo ko mitologija pradet rusiuot. Antriausia, as kazkaip nematau skirtumo tarp religijos ir mitologijos. Bent jau lietuviu atveju jau visas reikalas ir taip per skystas, kad butu galima kazka aiskiai atskirti ar pasakyti. Trecia, kadangi nera jokio padoresnio apibendrinimo, mes cia tokio parasyti ir negalesim. Ketvirta, ar yra koks normalesnis veikalas, kur nagrinetu dievus (o ne apskritai pasaulejauta) dainose, pasakose ir pan? Jei ne, tai tiesiog vienintele iseitis bus imtis (4) Lino ivardinto budo. Bent jau tuos saltinius turiu, ar galiu gauti. As visikai nesutinku, kad Beresneviciaus teorijos priklauso prie jo asmeninio straipsnio. Tiek labai trumpai. Renata 01:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Tie visi dalykai yra neatskiriamai susiję, bet gal aš čia ir per bendrai parašiau. Dėl religijos ir mitologijos, tai nesiūlau skirti į du straipsnius, tik, jeigu tame straipsnyje vyraus religijos dalykai, tai gali iškilti pavadinimo klausimas. - Apie sąrašą savo nuomonę parašiau. Dėl šaltinių, tai jokių ypatingų šaltinių kaip ir nėra, kurie būtų nežinomi. - Šiaip, ar gali dabar prieiti prie šito: N. Vėlius (sudar.), Baltų religijos ir mitologijos šaltiniai, 4 Vols. (Vilnius, 1996-2005). ISBN 5-420-01579-X. ? (Iš str. ;Norbertas Vėlius) Arba: N. Vėlius (sudar.), Lietuvių mitologija, 2 Vols. (Vilnius, 1995-2005). ISBN 5-417-00677-7 (Yra vėlesnis antras leidimas, ir dar papildomas tomas 2004, redaguotas jau Beresnevičiaus)? Pavarčius porą vakarų daug kas paaiškėtų. - Enciklopedijose yra apibendrinančių straipsnių, bet jie visi priklauso vienam iš trijų mano išvardintų tipų. Galėtume parašyti 3 lietuvių mitologijas , paėmę pagrindu Lasickį - Dumdulienę (tarybinės enciklopedijos) arba Narbutą (senos lenkų) arba J. Balį - Z. Ivinskį (Bostono?). Visą tą reikia kažkaip jungti. Vardų sąašo apibrėžimai irgi čia su tuo susiję!

Vytis

Hi Renata, congratulations on your promotion. I have a lt translation question for you. What is a good translation for Vytis? Coat of arms of Lithuania originally had it as "the charge". I thought it meant "the chase" or "the pursuit", so I changed it to the former. It was later changed to "the chaser", and then again to "the pursuer". Appleseed (Talk) 21:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

From A. Novickas

Thanks, Renata!

I was apologizing for the comment "escaped on foot, on bicycles, or on boats" because "chose to emigrate" seemed so dry compared to the stories I heard from my parents and their friends. But I don't mind being edited. It's so exciting to be a part of this project.

I'd like to just fix grammatical errors and awkward phrasings for a while before plunging into content, so if you have any particular pages in mind, let me know. (I love editing, but my day job pays much better). You seem to be doing an amazing job! Novickas 14:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Largo, Florida Map Mar 6,1925.jpg

Hi, Renata3. I've craved this image for some time for the Timeline of Largo, Florida. Is fairuse justified? Is there a better tag? Is there a better way of stating my rationale? Or will have have to delete the thing? Cheers,  :) Dlohcierekim 03:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reple(short reply on fu rationale) I think I've done that adequately. Not sure Thanks :) Dlohcierekim 11:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

First article

Will you take a look at my first article? Cowarth 03:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._George%27s_School%2C_Ascot

Whoa

Uh what? You weren't an admin already?? I'm sorry I missed your RfA; I would have certainly voted support. Congratulations on the new mop. :) --Fang Aili ^talk 20:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

More Edits

I have done extensive editing of this article the last few days. Would you please take a look at the new page? Cowarth 12:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._George%27s_School%2C_Ascot

Questions for U

Dear Renata, when a link goes nowhere in Wikipedia, do you think it's better to create a stub of some sort or to point to an external reference? Clearly, the ideal is to create not just a stub, but a nice long article, but that isnt't always realistic. Another ? - what is Wikipedia's definition of a sub or sub-stub? I haven't found that yet. Sincerely, Novickas 16:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. Another question: do you have a "boilerplate" request for permission to use photos from Lithuanian sites? And do you know of any such sites that have a blanket permission? For example...I created a stub about Uzgavenes - it would be nice to include some pictures. If you could tell me that so-and-so site cheerfully allows Wikipedia to use its pictures, that would simplify things a lot. Novickas 17:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Your difficult copyright question

Hello Renata; I did my best to answer it for this particular encyclopedia on my own talk page. A general rule for Lithuanian works might be very difficult to arrive at. Any later cut-off dates might also be extremely hard to verify, because in both cases one would need to consider Soviet law, with all the known and contentious complications. So I hope that these encyclopedia articles have no authors mentioned. Lupo 08:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Lituanica tone

I think it was the sentence The encyclopedia was published by the same people who published that threw me off as a bit awkward and unencyclopedic. Other than that, you're right, there's little to be fixed there. (|-- UlTiMuS 12:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

I have added some links to the Aukštojas hill article.

Juozas Rimas 14:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC) Juozas Rimas

Kruopinė Hill redirect done. Good point.

Juozas Rimas 09:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)Juozas Rimas

If you have time...

Hi there,

I saw this oppose vote of yours and was wondering if you could advise me. I'm working on List of inhabited islands of Croatia and that's my first (future) FL candidate. Now, it isn't finished yet, I have to make those redlinks blue and I'll ad a nice satelite image of Croatian coast, but I don't know what else to put into the intro. So, I was wondering if you could advise me. What info should I put into the lead (I'm not asking you to write me a decent lead, just to give me some guidelines ;-) )? --Dijxtra 11:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hm, don't you think that all the stuff you mentioned make a good article, not a list? :-) I mean, "economy, political stuff, what role do those islands play in mainland Croatia" - those sound like article stuff, not list stuff. Regarding other points you raised, thanks a bunch, I'll work on those.

Aham. OK, I'll try to dig a sentence or two on every point you mentioned... thanks for the help! :-) --Dijxtra 15:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Lithuanian encyclopedias

On 3 September, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lithuanian encyclopedias, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

What a nice historical article, Renata! Enjoyed the read and the pictures were a nice addition. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 20:20, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Ačiū

Pirma, ačiū labai už ordiną . Mano nuomone, tie karai tarp Lietuvių ir Lenkų yra labai beprasmiški ir dėl to nekišau nosies (nors sekiaiu apie ką kalbos vyksta). Deja, jie paprasčiausiai bando vieni kitus apkaltinti dėl dalyku kurie ivyko praeitije, vietoj to kad bandytu išspręsti dabartines problemas. O aš maniau kad tai ne mano reikalas (nors kai prasidės balsavimas dėl Jogaila/Władysław II Jagiełło tai reikes nuomonę pareikšti). Andrius

William S. Burroughs image

Gotta love those newbie screw-ups, huh? Unfortunately the Williams2.jpg saga has resulted in the loss of the main image for the William S. Burroughs article, and due to new rules regarding biography photos I can't just reupload the earlier image of the author (which is still available on Answers.com and other Wiki-mirrors). Is there any way to replace the Burroughs photo that was there before it was overwritten by the one of the soldier, or are we sunk as there appears to be no images available of Burroughs that satisfy the new fair use criteria ... we can't even use an image of his most famous novel in lieu of a photo, so I understand. 23skidoo 20:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

• The image that was deleted was not of William S. Burroughs. Someone messed up and uploaded an image that overwrote the original picture. There had been no deletion request or controversy regarding the original image, which was uploaded a couple of years ago. The "new rules" I refer to are the tightening of fair use which has rendered it virtually impossible to upload biographical images without either having to take time and effort (unpaid time and effort I must stress) to contact copyright holders or basically personally knowing the subject and taking a photo yourself. An image of a fashion model doing her work is not allowed, a book cover for an author is not allowed, and a screenshot of an actor doing his work is not allowed. So unless someone wants to pay me to spend the time to basically play copyright lawyer (I charge $100 Cdn per hour) I'm not bothering anymore. But images that are deleted through someone else's incompetance should be simply replaced ... unfortunately it appears the Burroughs image is lost forever. 23skidoo 21:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • There aren't any "new rules" set out -- that's the problem. People are interpreting them willy nilly. Scroll up on my talk page and read comments regarding Glenn Ford and Kate Winslet and you'll find a link to a discussion that pretty well sets it out. Anyway, it's my turn to be confused because I never saw anything being posted to William S. Burroughs about the image of Burroughs not being appropriate. I think we're talking about different images. The one you deleted is an image of an 1800s painting of some general which was uploaded a few days ago as "Williams2.jpg". The image I'm talking about is a photograph of the Beat Generation author which was uploaded about 2 years ago and is a black and white photo. You can see the photo on the Answer.com mirror of the WSB page here. If there was a discussion regarding this particular image, I missed it even though I have WSB on my watchlist. I have no idea who the guy in the soldier painting is. 23skidoo 22:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
    • What's weird is the color image of the soldier began appearing on the WSB page. Obviously the filename must have been the same. Maybe someone put the William2 image in there to be snarky. In any event as I stated above I really don't care anymore. I am of the opinion that Wikipedia is only a few months away from banning images altogether, and it's not worth my time to go hunting for one that meets the finicky standards of a few. In fact I was at one point planning to remove all 1000+ images that I have uploaded (of all types) from every article that I have contributed to. However that apparently is considered vandalism so I won't. I am however intending to resign as an administrator because I do not support the culture of copyright paranoia that has arisen here. That's not to say I support blatant copyright violation -- I regularly delete lyrics and copyvios from articles and I also agree that the use of images in certain contexts is inappropriate (the old "using an album cover with a rose on it to illustrate an article on roses" argument). However there is no need to prohibit illusrations of a person's work, whether that be an actor in a film or the cover of a book by an author. And despite repeated requests, no one seems willing (or able) to tell me how these sorts of uses in any way affect the commercial viability of anyone's copyright. 23skidoo 05:12, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

This is an unrelated issue, however it's another example of how Wikipedia is inconsistent. It has been decided that when it comes to categories "Films by actor" (i.e. Category:Humphrey Bogart films) are not allowed, however identical categories regarding book authors are OK. See, for example, the defeated CFD here . It clearly shows that people are just interpreting the rules willy nilly as they see fit. On the plus side, I now have a precedent for arguing to keep Film by actor categories. But you see, this is the same sort of thing plaguing fair use and the overall use of images. If you check the licence tag for film screenshots it clearly states that screenshots can be used to illustrate "a film or its contents". Going by the dictionary definition "contents" includes the actors; yet in the arguments related to Glenn Ford and Kate Winslet I referenced earlier, people are choosing to interpret "contents" differently -- or ignore this altogether with statements like "well, that shouldn't be there". No one will give me a definition of what "contents" means under fair use. People are making up the rules as they go along and it's getting harder to support Wikipedia as a result. 23skidoo 17:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Mykolas Sleževičius

Dear Renata: I made some copy-edits to the above page. If you see a problem with it, let me know. Whew, the Polish-Lithuanian conflict is getting hairy! But please carry on your wonderful work. Yes, it's political, but politics is the highest and best human endeavor. Novickas 19:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

List of temples of the CJC of LDS

Several months ago you kindly respond with some comments on List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints preparation for submission as a featured list. Would you mind reviewing the progress - I think the only thing lacking is that each row does not yet have a picture. However, since pictures aren't required, I think it is ready for review. TIA --Trödel 01:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Michael Sieben

Seriously, dude. Do you really wander around Wikipedia all day just to find something some kid in Michigan wrote so you can delete it? Sieben is co-owner of an extremely successful skate company, his artwork is sold in some form in just about every skate and bike shop in the country, and he's been featured in many art and skate magazines, not to mention the magazines he writes and distributes himself. How is he not notable? Someone will want to know about him! I wrote the article because i did! Honestly, you think something is unknown because you don't know about it? You think you know everything that's worth knowing? People like you make this site a lot less fun than it could be. --kphaneuf December 2006

Deletion of Percy Norton

No offence, maybe you should check Notability article yourself. It clearly states 'Failing to satisfy the notability guidelines is not a criterion for speedy deletion.', so you should of consulted me before deletion or started an adf not just delete it without any note. He has won many awards and toured the entire Australian Countryside in his epic tour in 2004, also he is played on the radio here constantly, especially by ABC's Triple J. However I understand your concern, and will take it into consideration, if I decide to create the article again, but I will probably do this far into the future as time is of the esscence. By the way, please accept my apology and correct me, if the line I quoted dosn't apply to this article situation. --Smallcucumber 12:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

History of Lithuania 1219-1377

Dear Renate: have begun copyediting this. Hope to finish by tonight. I already have one question: the first paragraph states that "the empire reached ALMOST to the Black Sea", but the map definitely shows the Black Sea within the territory. Including Kiev.

Novickas 13:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Is there any chance of getting a map that shows territory in 1377? If not, the opening paragraph could be reworded.. something like "the groundwork was laid for an empire that would by 1400 reach to the Black Sea". Then the picture caption could be a little reworded and it would still be appropriate for the piece. I like the piece, by the way. Always had trouble with that part of the history and it's now making more sense.

Taking a break now; edited all but the last 3 paragraphs, cause they seemed not quite ready. After a break maybe more questions will occur, fresh eyes and all that. Hope you're not in a terrible hurry. Talk later - Novickas 17:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, some more questions. What are long coins? Were they really not round? Re "attacked Courland, as the order had limited battlefield successes"...is that the Teutonic Knights? In general.. I think it would be better if the orders were always named. Novickas 20:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC) PS a timeline would be really nice - you know, a table of dates and their corresponding events.

more questions: Line that begins "In 1248, Mindaugas sent his nephews Tautvilas and Edivydas, the sons of Dausprungas and Vykintas," .. if Edivydas was Mindaugas' nephew, then Vykintas was Mindaugas' brother or brother-in-law?

Line that begins "in 1212, Daugirutis' treaty with Navahradak" needs some clarification as to who Daugirutis was - a duke of Samogitia?

Needs a little more explananation about "bribing Andreas von Stierland" - the text in the footnote "jei bus nužudytas Tautvila" could be translated something like "bribed..to arrange Tautvila's murder". Shocking allegation.

Line with "attacked Courland, as the order had limited battlefield successes" would that be "The Brethren of the Sword"? that is what the Courland link suggests.

Line with "expressed the wish to marry Daumantas' wife" - Daumantas has not been mentioned before; could we say "Duke Daumantas" or "the wife of Daumantas, the Duke of x".

the long coins picture is really cool, any chance it could be included? Novickas 12:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Aciu for the award. I promise that I intend to continue to expanding articles in the future and I wouldn’t be derailed from this patch very easily. Thanks again M.K. 09:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Cool down

Dear Renata. I sincerly hope your message on conflict resolution and deletion of your user page don't mean you are quiting this project. The informal mediation which I tried was just the begining of a proper WP:DR. I have seen tougher issues dealth with, and although I may not see 100% eye to eye with it, please, don't leave us. We need editors like you to stay and be the voice of sanity to the rest of us.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  04:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Huh?

September 12/18 are truly said days for Wikipedia. :-( Take a break, and recall the advice you once gave me: breathe and relax, and above all, remember your special training ;-) I hope you do come back. (Sorry for not noticing earlier.) Lupo 08:16, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Not another one... How many good editors are we going to lose this week? -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 08:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Just noticed that Renata's edits do not appear on my watchlist anymore:( That sounds like a big loss to all of Wikipedia. I hope you'll rethink your position after some time, although cannot say, that I didn't have similar thoughts about leaving more than once.--Lokyz 12:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm sad too. You welcomed me to Wikipedia! (And I just assumed then that you were an admin.) I understand the feeling of "enough is enough", though. Perhaps after a break you'll come back. I'll be thinking about you. --Fang Aili ^talk 15:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Petition

This is truly surprise to me that Renata is leaving. If this is due to personal life, well, we all facing setbacks and gains in our personal life and actually this is a beauty of life – it keeps as strong and prepares for future challenges. Actually this is human nature and destiny, sometimes we can not avoid or change our destiny, but we can meet it with dignity, with risen head and with the clear mind – yes it is hard, but I wouldn’t give up and will go, I will go on!!!!

If it’s due to wikipedia developments, everything is possible and could be solved any problem, sooner or later. If this is a case – take a short break, but don’t leave us! You simply can’t do this!

And remember, Renata, when you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on…

By signing below editors from all the Wikipedia asking you, Renata, to stay:

1. M.K. 09:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
2. User:Novickas 12:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Andrius 15:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC) (You musn't go!)
4. Please come back and stay! Juraune 05:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Anti-petition

For God's sake don't be so melodramatic - petitions, sighs, obituaries. C'mon. She's an adult, she knows what she's doing. And, boy, that Airing of Grievances by Renata was great. I could only dream, that some will follow her example one day and will let the grievances out in one go, instead of dragging their egotistic traumas for ages from one Talk-page to another. If she decides to quit this S/M scene, that's great. Go girl, there is more to life than Wiki. Run like a hell and never look back. But she will be back in one form, or another - as admin, or anonymous just browsing passerby, it does not matter. See ya Renata. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 16:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

This is actually true. Renata's candidness in her farewell "speech" is rarely seen in this place. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 20:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear petitioners. Please save your pleas. Renata will be back. Sometimes Wikibreaks are needed. Let her have hers. She will come back rested and determined to save Lithuanian history from the foreign nationalist revisionism :). No irony here. Who else? Cheers all! --Irpen 06:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Loosing Renata for this project actually does matter, but I respect any decision, she choses to make. Renata, you have done a lot of good things here, do now, what serves you best. Best regards, --Gf1961 19:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Regardless if you decide to return or not, I want you to know that your contributions have been appreciated, Renata. I personally have found your .ogg recordings quite useful in learning the pronunciation of Lithuanian. Olessi 20:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Renata?

A few words from you would be so welcome. Just let us know you're OK. Novickas 22:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I can confirm she's doing fine. However, I got the impression she'd rather like not to be disturbed at the moment. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Novickas 15:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

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New section

68.39.174.238 20:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

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55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: Reward Board-- Lithuania

Hi Reneta. I saw your post on the RB and figured I'd take a whack at it. I just wanted to make sure everything you said on there is up to date, as I think that post has been up there for a while. Anyway, I am thinking about doing either Politics- , Foreign relations- , or Flag- of Lithuania. I havn't decided yet. Also, why is User:Creidieki's name also on the post? Thanks for the opportunity. → JARED ^(t)  13:18, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Cheers

Glad to see you back, Renata. Take as much time as you need. Cheers, Olessi 01:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

So am I. Take. --Gf1961 02:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 09:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

*smile* -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Yay, you're back! Andrius 18:54, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back! What a great quote. Novickas 23:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Map data source for district maps

I was wondering if you could tell me the source of the data you used to create the district maps. I would appreciate it. Respond at my talk page. Peter O. (Talk) 07:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Saulius Mikoliūnas PoB

Hi Renata. The site was this [8], which has usually been very reliable for such information. I was concerned when Šviesa did not show up on the List of cities in lithuania page but assumed it may have been a village or hamlet.

If you know of no such place I will remove it. From the same site, you may also be able to tell me whether Klaipėdoje should be Klaipėda, if it is a seperate settlement, or even annother error. Thanks Caledonian Place 01:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:FLC/List of DanceSport dances

I've added two paragraphs of prose to the list as requested; please let me know what you think. --Spangineer^es (háblame) 22:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of calypso-like genres

Hey, I think I've addressed your concerns as best I can. Various changes, citations, etc. Let me know if there's anything further you wish to comment on. Tuf-Kat 01:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Static?

I think that this is nor true. In the last century the 90% of the years have had changes. And in the past there was lots and lots of more changes. There is no other side in Wikipedia able to have a map for each year as has been requested. The political geography is changing each year. Excuse my English level. Sobirà 18:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I see absolutly impossible to put in a single page all the changes of all the hundreds and hundreds of German, Greek, Italian or Arabic sovereign states. Sobirà 18:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

If there are statics years, redirections exists. It's absolutly impossible to have an idea of what exactly exists in a year with only a list of what appear and disappear. Sobirà 18:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

List of sovereign states in 1990

Could you please complete the afd nom of List of sovereign states in 1990? No rationale for deletion was given so far. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 16:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Wait, I found Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sovereign states in xxxx so I fixed it. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 16:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Sweden international footballers/archive1

Hi, I've answered your objection on the FLC above, and would like to get further input from you. :) – Elisson • T • C • 17:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Durniu laivas

Na siandien tai nervai neislaike :) Turgaus pasikoliojimai turi tokia ypatybe, kad ramiai pro juos praeiti gan sunku. Ziuresim, kuom cia pasibaigs. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 16:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Del subkulturu. Gerai atstatyk, reiketu pabaigt. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 11:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Just a chat

Labas - as you see, I haven't really let go! I was involved in editing Giedrus Subacius' book about The Jungle. The section about the Title Metaphor - needs some work, but I think it's worth keeping.

Hope you don't mind if I chat a little here. While thinking over the issues involved in being a Wikipedian, some incidents came to mind. At the scientific institution where I work we have, at times over the years, hired Eastern European, Central European, and Russian analysts - they brought diverse viewpoints; they had publications to their credit; their English was pretty good. Then, during meetings, they would disagree with their co-workers by saying: "No. This is not how it works. Not at all. We need to do it this way." Awkward silence.

Fast-forward ten years. Now the same people present their viewpoints at meetings in this way: "There are, embedded within this analysis, a number of assumptions about economic growth in x, y and z sectors; there are also assumptions regarding the useful life of hydroelectric powerplants; how difficult would it be to incorporate these assumptions into a series of variables?" Thoughtful expressions; nods; scribbling on notepads.

That's a big difference. It's evolution. Now we can have a discussion. Flora Lewis wrote a book ("Europe") in the 1980s about the European intellectual style - it was, and clearly still is, extremely confrontational. Opinions must be presented very strongly; to do otherwise would imply weakness.

Wikipedia is clearly another manifestation of this kind of evolution. And Wikipedia-addiction is the same addiction as a parent has to his or her child: faith in its future. Let's fast-forward ten years from now: you'll be one of those rare people, like Adamkus, who has both feet solidly planted on either side of the Atlantic. You have a bright future. Consult any gypsy you meet in Manhattan for verification and see if they don't agree!Novickas 18:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

So you are another casualty of the PL-LT wars, so many years later! One of the problems his talkwith it (here in the US) is that most Americans, when you try to explain it to them, scratch their heads trying to think of an analogous situation they can relate to. They're, like, "Polish, Lithuanian, what's the difference? What's the problem?" Of course we have our own serious divisions but they don't really map the same way. Hey, carry on anyway, it's a worthy cause, and a lot of Wikipedians think a lot of you. Novickas 15:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Geography stubs

Hi Renata, I'm working on the geography stubs. Where did the location maps in the city pages come from? It would be nice to have similar location maps for the other places. Novickas 11:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I left a message on User_talk:Knutux, but he doesn't seem to have been active since January, so no high hopes there...

Novickas 14:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

		Special thanks
		for a timely e-mail long ago (I frequently remember the "special training" :-), for a very nice barnstar, and generally for being around. Thank you! Lupo 14:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka

Thank you very much for your support in my RfA. Unfortunately consensus was not reached, and the nomination was not successful. However, I do appreciate your comments, am still in support of the Wikipedia project, and will continue to contribute without interruption. Thanks again! --Elonka 19:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Logos on userpage

Removed, and thanks for the tips on best link format. That will teach me to play with the controversial gallery tag! --Steve 03:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyright

Labas, gal galetum pakonsultuoti User:Nercury copyrighto klausimais. Reiketu ideti i Wiki koki nors Saukos paveiksla, bet bijau kad su autorinem teisem cia gana sudetinga butu. As manau, kad paprasciausia butu ideti knygos virseli, tam jau yra tag'as. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 04:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Long time no see. Thanks for grammar correction, I am horrible with all those a and the... Glad you are still around and involved in some many different things. Renata 03:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Arg, excuse edit summary for previous edit. It was upposed to be hi File:Blush.png Renata 03:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hehe. By the way, I like your emoticon (the blushing face). I've been collecting those (as you can see), and have added that one to my collection. Do you know of any more?  The Transhumanist   11:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Try commons:Category:Smilies :) Renata 11:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool. You've doubled the size of my collection! Thanks! Take a look...  The Transhumanist   00:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Hell

But what if section "Hell in fine arts" is created? It's valid illustration then. Or not?Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 19:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

You deleted my article

I worked my ass off to create an article on the Legislative Palace and you just deleted it [9]. Wesborland 22:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Why does article HWE require cleanup?

Why does my article require cleanup? Will it be deleted? I hope not as I spent hours working on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerbocs (talk • contribs)

Thanks

Thank you for information. I am sure it will be useful, as I am completely new here. Still, practice makes perfect, isn't it?

Thanks

It was me, sorry: --timmulis 15:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Question

Renata, what is going on when you are editing a page in Wikipedia, and cannot save or even preview it - an arrow with north and south points appears? Once or twice I've had "editing conflict" messages appear but not in this case...

Also, for your amusement, a bulletin from the University of Chicago - they are playing a game in the lounges every day that goes like this: someone shouts out one word, say "marshmallow", and someone shouts out another one, say "Milton Friedman" - then you must go from one site to the other in as short a time as possible using only Wikipedia links (people are sitting in there with their laptops) Glory is the only reward. When someone shouts they got there, people gather around and watch the sequence of links. Well, maybe you already knew about this, but I didn't. Cool huh? Sincerely, Novickas 21:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm just wondering why you deleted the "List of Famous Redheads."

Question - Žirmūnai - occasionally it says "Attention: this page is 38 kilobytes long" or something like that - is there a quick and easy way to determine character count in WIkipedia? Novickas 20:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Glad to hear that there isn't any hard-and-fast limit on article size. Hope your exams went well :) Novickas 20:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Assessment System

Hi - I just wanted to that you for producing the assessment page for the Lithuania wikiproject. I just had to copy some of the text for wikiproject beekeeping (my new one ;)). I expect the text will evolve over time, but just wanted to let you know - imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! Martinp23 00:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For your hard work and dedication to improving Wikipedia, I, Sharkface217, hereby award you this Original Barnstar. Good job! Sharkface217 20:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

You've award quite a few barnstars in your time (almost as many as me, which is saying something ^_~), and you have gone quite a while without being formally recognized. Cheers. Sharkface217 20:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

RfC Halibutt

Probably you will be interested in this: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Halibutt M.K. 23:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

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my article on the Wireless Audio Gesture

why did you delete this article?

it took me a while to put that article up and you just ripped it down without even giving me a chance to copy the information down so that i could possibly put up an edited version.

why was it deleted?

my article: Wireless Audio Gesture

based off product by http://www.xpresense.com/

Dfritter4 03:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

New article

Renata, when you get a chance, could you look at National symbols of lithuania ? It's new and under construction - was hoping you could tell me if I'm missing anything of importance, and if you have any organizational notions? Novickas 02:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Novickas 15:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Glad you like that rupintojelis - he watches over my aunt's grave (I never got to meet her) so it has special meaning for me. Don't worry, I will clean the article up soon - just wanted to bounce ideas around. I actually have some free time today :) Sorry to hear that you don't think much of Kukutis. When I was looking up national symbols there was a designation of folk heroes, also for tricksters so thought it would be good to put them in. The devil is usually the trickster (add ref to Devil Museum in Kaunas). Again, thanks for the input, and not to worry, the article doesn't link to anything yet. Will also ask Lokyz and MK for input. Have a good day Novickas 16:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again, I got busy with work, but really plan to have it done by the end of the weekend...Novickas 21:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

So..I fixed it up quite a bit. Only remaining problem is finding image of the 6-sided cross. Hope you like it. Novickas 15:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Clock's running

1 second? No, 120,000 seconds, and still counting. Gene Nygaard 03:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

That last entry in Category:Villages and municipalities in Púchov District still hasn't migrated up. 1 second, you said. Gene Nygaard 04:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow! 1.01 seconds! Mark me down as duly impressed, even if it was a little over 10,000 seconds after you logged on and found you had this talk page message waiting.

However, even though you fixed that one, there is still Lúky, created by the same editor, out of place in the same category. And about a zillion more by the same editor in other categories. There is, fortunately, some cause to believe that he will start fixing them, though I'll have to see some results before getting my hopes up.

Then, on top of everything else, somebody has to run around cleaning up after other careless editors who move pages [10] [11] [12] [13] without checking how they are sorted and adding the proper sort keys if necessary and add categories [14] without adding the proper sort keys. Sometimes it isn't a real big problem because, so far at least, it doesn't end up out of place in the category listing as it stands. But in other cases, it is quite material.

Anyway, according to my calculations, at 1.01 seconds a crack, you ought to be done cleaning up after yourself in about 8 min 52.27 s. Is that a good, ballpark figure at least? Let me know when to start the clock.

Since you are so quick, maybe you'd then have lots of time to help out the other people who have been hiding Lithuania-related items from view as well. Gene Nygaard 02:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Access to vilnius.lt

Hello, Renata - I know you're taking a Wikibreak, but when you have a chance, could you see if you can access the following link:

Vilnius City Municipality

I haven't been able to access it (or anything on vilnius.lt) for a month or so. M.K. suggested that I try it with an updated version of Internet Explorer, but I don't want to do that since IE gives me more trouble than I think it's worth. I use Netscape and Firefox and get the same error message on both: "The connection has timed out". M.K. and others don't have a problem. Just to get a reality check on the issue. Sincerely, Novickas 21:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

It takes about 10 seconds to load for me (on a broadband link), which is rather long for a 258kB GIF. But it shows up fine here. Lupo 14:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Cite tags

I hate to be a bother, but how does one use the citation tages to cite encyclopedias? I'm not entirely clear on this. I'm trying to work in your suggestions - some with more effect than others: I've not yet hit on a good way to remove the self-referentiality of the Women Opera Composers section without venturing dangerously into seeming POV, or understating their importance. Still, I fixed the minor problems (Explaining Peri wrote both Daphne and Euridice, moving the notes on construction to the reference section - does that seem a reasonable fix to you? - and so on.) If you can help me figure out the citation tags for the Encyclopædia articles- and I am sorry to be a bother - I'll and we others should be able to fix the rest. Adam Cuerden ^talk 08:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Featured list candidate

I've replied to your comment on Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Saskatchewan general elections. Tompw 15:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

List of fictional books

Hi Renata3 -- you were kind enough to take the time to respond to the Featured List nomination for List of fictional books. It failed to make the cut pretty resoundingly, so it's been subbed for a peer review. Any detailed comments or suggestions you'd care to offer would be welcome at it's peer review section, particularly a little more explanation of your comment about it needing more references. Thanks! --Bookgrrl 19:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations

Your campaign for censorship got a strong head start. I dont blame you, as it's the guy below who is adding fuel to the fire. Friends? :) Think twice when you give weight to what may be insinuations. Truthseeker 85.5 20:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

With this unappologetic response, I think a longer ban is in order. --Irpen 20:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's the one vying for head of the censorship department lately. Mind your own business a little more, Irpin. Truthseeker 85.5 21:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

My dear friend. As it has been ruled by the courts, Freedom of Speech does not extend to protection of ethnic slurs and hate speech whose propagation brought about your ban. Besides, nothing could stop you from using one of your socks. So, you were not really censored. Last but not least, you could take your grievances to your talk page which was not protected. I think Renata was too lenient. But be sure that unless you change your behavior, the next block will be permanent. --Irpen 21:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Insinuations and wishful thinking. The almighty King Solomon of Wikipedia, almost. I think people have been too lenient in scrutinizing your smear campaign, giving Irpin a sense of some king of megalomania. This is not Renata's fault, but a consequence of the lack of disciplinary action in your case (long overdue), an institution you so vehemently attack, counting on the ignorant unsuspicion of a few to abuse against other users. Soon, you wont be fooling anyone any longer, Irpin, so watch it (take my good-spirited advice). Truthseeker 85.5 21:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I second Irpen about a longer ban. -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 22:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Grafikm, please dont hurt your credibility by seconding insinuations and demands based on pure (ideological? ethnic?) hate. Or are you deliberately adding fuel to the fire and beating the drums? That's not what Wikipedia is about. Truthseeker 85.5 22:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

You were blocked for stalking, warn removal, revert warring and generally disruptive attitude. When back, your first edit was to insult an admin by making attacks about censorship. Maybe it's time you read WP:NOT and learn that WP is not a political tribune for you to use. -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 22:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

List of major opera composers

I'm afraid in this specific case, I wasn't able to get the citation tags to work. See here, where I had cited up the second batch of references: The co-author section had to be hacked as it didn't manage it in the case where there is only one co-author cleanly, and the books with only editors broke the template in ugly ways. I think the citation templates, sadly, need a bit more work, although I was able to use them without problems in W. S. Gilbert.

That aside, do you think your other problems have been dealt with? If the lead isn't long enough, do you have any suggestions to what it should include but doesn't? Adam Cuerden ^talk 00:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Right. I've used the tags as far as seemed possible. Do you think your objections have been dealt with? Adam Cuerden ^talk 10:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

List of Metal Gear Solid characters

Hey, I think all your bojections have been seen to at its FLC. Do you have any other issues?

†he Bread 09:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Image Copyright

Thank you for informing me of the image copyright issue...Unfortunately I, well, do not have any idea how to add any of that, as I'm entirely and completely unfamiliar with how to use Wikipedia in any advanced sense, I have found both where I got the image from, which is in fact a pornographic site that I chose for it's non-graphic yet real life depiction, and this - http://www.videosz.com/legal.php?pg=usc2257 Which I found at the bottom of said site, I'm not entirely sure what to do from here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Revrant (talk • contribs) 06:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

User:Aciani

Sorry about that . . . I asked another admin about that yesterday, and I thought he said yes you do, though I see I've misinterpreted his answer. Sorry again. -WarthogDemon 04:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Lithuania-related article bounty

Does Flag of Lithuania count? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 02:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Since it is does, I am working on it now. The only question I have is this: what is the Pantone colors of the flag. I have the software to pick the Pantone colors, but I need to know what they are first before I make a new image of the flag. Plus, I have books from the former USSR, so I will probably redraw the Lithuanian SSR flag. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 03:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

By the grace of God, I found a Lithuanian flag made in the 1980's inside my closet. I compared the colors and I made the flag according to what I have. I am going to make other images too using Inkscape. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, I need help translating [15]. The State Flag is pretty new, so I figured we should try to introduce it to the world. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Whenever you, and others, feel like it, can you see if I missed any days at Flag_of_Lithuania#National_flag_days. I wrote down all of the ones specified in law, but I notice lt:Lietuvos vėliava has more days listed. Thanks again for letting me do this and I hope that this article is heading in the right direction. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, the article is at peer review now. Now, it is just sitting and waiting time. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 23:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Peer review is done, FAC has commenced. Now, the waiting game commences. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 07:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Šiauliai International Airport

Hi Renata, would you object, if I cleaned this and other Lithuanian airports from the misspellings and miltary slang (??) denominations ? Best regards. --Gf1961 11:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

There might be a hidden sense, I might fail to understand. Skyaulyay, Syaulyay, and Zokniai. While the first two are most certainly rubbish, the third might have local relevance. --131.152.61.96 14:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Cheers ;)

Nearly back, but need to finish my mock exams first (they finish on Tuesday) :D In fact, my Geography exam is in an hour, so I should revise some more And I was going to ask about sport in Vilnius but I see there is already a section for it in the sandbox. Also - maybe something about entertainment? Theatres and clubs and things like that? Andrius 12:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Cite web

Hi, Renata! Haven't spoken to you in a while; hope you are doing fine.

The reason I am contacting you is the fact that I am thinking about soon nominating one of the lists of mine for WP:FL. Having done some homework on what is generally asked of the candidate lists, I noticed you popping here and there periodically requesting people use {{cite web}} to format references. I have nothing against cite web (except that I've never used it before), so I would like to use it in my list as well. Problem is, just look at the references used. I am not sure how to fit two language data bits for each template field; plus, the OKATO reference uses a template (because without it I would have to manually change several dozen reference instances every time an amendment comes out). Your advice on how to best handle this situation would thus be very much appreciated. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I want to ask in this field too. Does {{cite web}} have something similar to ref name=, to avoid repetition of same webs? M.K. 11:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Renata! Thank you very much for your detailed analysis and write-up. I just have a few follow-up questions, if you don't mind.

1. Lead is way way too short. I was expecting this one to come up. The reason why it is too short is because when I submitted an earlier version for peer review, the lead was said to be... too long. So, I carved most of the former lead into a separate section (#Administrative division structure), which left the lead with only one introductory sentence. If you have any suggestions as to what you would like to see in the lead, I'm sure going to appreciate hearing them! It's not that I cannot come up with anything, it's just that whatever I come up with seems to duplicate information already more appropriately placed in other articles.
2. Ref tags are supposed to be placed after dots, commas, brackets, etc. Will fix, although I am not sure if this applies to the colon in "As of 2006:" segment of the navbox.
3. According to the manual of style the headings should not contain the wikilinks. As a matter of fact, the MOS imperative is not that rigid. The precise wording is "[a]s a general rule, do not put links in any section title" (emphasis mine), which, to me at least, suggests that in certain circumstances linking from section titles is allowed. The reason why I am hesitant to unlink the titles here is pretty much the same why I am having trouble coming up with a longer lead—whatever information I can put in section intros would simply duplicate that available in the actual district articles, and if you look at what is currently in the district stubs, you'll see that they contain very limited amount of information. Trust me, it's not because I am lazy to expand them, it's because it is very hard to find more, even in Russian. Adygea as a whole is covered very poorly in the world, and I am not aware of any single editor from that republic who'd be able to help (did you know that Wikipedia does not even have an edition in the Adyghe language?) Of course, if you have ideas for section intros, I'd be happy to hear them out, otherwise I don't see linked section titles as a problem.
4. "Administrative division structure" section could do with more background info, especially on differences in rural settlements. There are no differences in the status of rural settlements—they all belong to the same group and are called differently purely for historical reasons. I'll add a sentence to that effect, because I agree that it's not immediately clear. What is the other kind of background info you would expect to find in this list? To me it looks pretty complete, and there are links pointing to articles explaining each particular term, although I've been working on this list for so long that I may not see something that's obvious to a fresh reader such as yourself.
5. Cite web. Thanks for the tips and explanations; those were very helpful. I'll play around with this later this week and will let you know when there is anything new to review.

Again, thank you for your helpful comments! Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes I had particular situation in mind - when same web is used in several different locations do you always have to post the same syntax as described in cite web. Maybe there are some shorten syntax ? M.K. 23:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Renata! I have (hopefully) addressed most of your concerns about that list; could you, please, take a fresh look at it? I formatted all web references using cite web, except the one with OKATO, which I left untouched. The reason is that I can't really figure out how to fit this reference into the cite web format. Not only the wikilink is lost when cite web is used, but I am also unable to use the parameter from inside cite web, and, since OKATO is several hundred pages long, pointing readers to the right section is quite important.

My other concern is that cite web italicized Cyrillic text—something that's against style guidelines. I can't think of a way to fix that besides substituting the template and editing italics out manually, which would probably defeat the purpose of using cite web in the first place.

Finally, I have reviewed a few other featured lists similar to this one to get ideas for a longer lead. It seems, however, that they all contain information on the number of subdivisions, but in case of this list these numbers are available via the infobox, which, I think, summarizes the stats more efficiently than plain text would. Please let me know if this is sufficient for you.

Any other feedback or concerns you might still have will also be greatly appreciated. Happy New Year!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Unjustified move

Renata, can you restore Demetrius I Starszy article name? It was renamed to Demetrius I Starszij by RobotF with no justification. Orionus 11:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

XMAS gift

Did I say it comes with a warranty? :) Sure, I added it - for what it's worth :) Merry XMAS! -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  01:24, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

Thanks — I knew it wasn't quite right. You don't expect a stupid American to understand inflections, do you?

So, Linksmų šv. Kalėdų to you, too! Sca 14:08, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you unblock mee ??

I've created User:Kyle_the_bot on en: and you've blocked him ?! Can you unblocked him please ? This is a bot account (and he is already on fr: fr:User:Kyle_the_bot and one of the best bot, see editcount). You can trust me (and my bot) i'm an sysop too (on fr: fr:User:Kyle_the_hacker), plz unblock 21:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I wanted to confirm that it was you who requested unblock on my English talk page. Could you reply here? Thanks. Renata3 28 décembre 2006 à 09:40 (CET)

It's me ;o) 90.13.112.197 08:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, unblocked. Good luck. Renata3 28 décembre 2006 à 09:51 (CET)

Thx 90.13.112.197 08:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

re Krishami speedy delete

I presume the criteria should have been patent nonsense and possibly unnoteworthy. This may have been my six or seventh speedydelete request - I am not by nature a deletionist - so I want to get it right when I do call for the axe. Thanks for your comments. LessHeard vanU 22:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Labas ir Aciu

Thank for your message on my talk page. Since a few month already I am contributing on the french wiki where (amongst other topics) I try to improve the pages related to Lithuania (user fr:Jmnil). My link to LT is my wife who comes from Kaunas (ok my daughter too but she is also 50% french). If you need any help or french stuff related to LT, or if you need pictures from LT don't hesitate. Linksmų Švenčių (I am leaving now to spend new year's eve in Kaunas) Jmnil 15:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Lithuania Minor

It seems, that wikipedia has become too small for your ambitions. It's a very weird etno region, I have to admin, but ... :-> Best regards, --Gf1961 15:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

ISBN Corrections

Hi Renata, I am one of many folks assisting in the resolution of ISBN cataloging errors. This has been an ongoing project for a long time now in preparation of the transition to 13 digit ISBN's. A special bot was developed with routines embedded that would ensure that the move to 13 digit ISBN's would be seamless. (Well, at least that was the plan). Sadly, the powers to be who run the ISBN process decided to renumber ALL books in existence. This have created a real mess, in my humble opinion. Be that what it may, our little bot has been going through the entire Wiki system measuring isbn's for various degrees of error ie; too long, too short, etc. Them folks like myself *attempt* to research the books in question and attempt to resolve the errors. Please use shortcut Cat:invalid and read the effort to date. We have over 2000 errors to look at. Please take heart, you are the first person who has questioned my efforts and flag notes that have identified isbn's that are in error. Rich Farmbrough, is the team leader and the gent who created the bot for this effort. I have a number of research locations to use to find correct ISBN's. In some cases, my tools fail me and I then leave a flag note for others who are involved in this effort to continue the search. In your case, I was unable to locate either the author or the book. If you have the book in question and the isbn that you used is so cited then we need to pass this information over to Rich. There may well be a perfectly good reason for why this happened. I had this happen with 6 books that were over 25 years in publish. Rich will better understand what has happened. I hope this clears this up somewhat.Ekotkie 18:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again

I didn't quite know where to put this, but I found the book at Libis [16], and then using the correct ISBN found it at the Library of Congress [17]. Hopefully, this will clear things up. Andrius 19:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Isn't teamwork great? Thanks a lot. It is even better when Wiki gets the interest of a young person.I tip my hat.Ekotkie 20:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for such a detailed response! I know about the ISBN mess. And it was my bad... I mistyped the ISBN. I just was in a hurry and did not notice the message left by the bot. so I decided to ask you what's wrong with the book because I have it right on my desk. But everything is corrected now. Your work is very much appreciated, and I hope you will continue. Renata 19:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

In the bulk of ISBN's that I have corrected, the typical error is a leading or trailing number has been dropped. Sometimes something has gotten transposed. It is a time consuming task but when people see correct information being presented to the public, then everyones work effort is worth it. Thanks for re-checking for that typo.Ekotkie 20:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:Voivodships

I don't know - try asking at WP:PWNB; my gut feeling is 'merge'.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  19:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

With Love (song)

Hi. I just thought you should know that I nominated With Love and With Love (song) for deletion because neither of them were referenced and the single release was not confirmed at that time, but quite recently it has been announced; that assertion was referenced in the article, so it may not have qualified as a "substantially identical copy". Anyway, after you deleted it the last time, somebody created another article on the same subject under the same title, and no disrespect to the creator but it's lacking the reference, infobox, categories etc. that the now-deleted version had. So I was wondering if you could undelete the edit history (either some or all of it) so that the cleaner version can be reverted to? Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 00:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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Labas

Did you get the pic I emailed to you 12/29? Care to guess the location? Sca 15:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Krajowcy

Hi, when you have a minute, maybe you'd take a look at the question left by Beaumont at Talk:Krajowcy ? I don't know what to answer. Happy New Year to you ! --Lysy^talk 15:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

An article which you started, Aušra, was selected for DYK!

On December 30, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Aušra, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

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Black Scrolls Magazine deletion

Hi I would like to state the case for the Black Scrolls Magazine, which you deleted. Your reason - non-notable due to erratic releases. It is true it has erratic releases, but it is an extremely popular release with thousands of fans. It is still in production so it is an on-going concern. The wiki page is in development, so it will eventually become detailed and an excellent resource of facts on the magazine, not the 500 words you read. There are other Dr Who fanzines, prozines and magazines on wikipedia, so it should most certainly have a place. Please reconsider - and post your reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.31.1.102 (talk • contribs)

Please read Wikipedia:Notability. There were no and still are no indications of notability. To the contrary, there are indications of non-notability (like 8 issues in 12 years or "it is still in production"). Merely the fact "it does exist!" is not sufficient for something to have an entry in Wikipedia. Renata 12:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Cite web

Hi, Renata! With all the traffic to your talk page, I am not sure whether you got to see my comments before you archived the thread. I apologize if you did and just decided to reply after the holidays (which is perfectly fine). Happy New Year!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 02:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again, Renata! Here are my counter-comments:

1. Lead. I don't really think that history would belong in the lead (especially considering that the whole History section is rather spotty), but adding basic information about the republic might be a good idea. I'll try it that way first.
2. Ref tags. OK.
3. Links in headings. I am not against duplication myself. What bothers me is complete duplication, which is what is going to happen, because the articles on districts contain little more than that same basic information you want to see in the section leads and in subsequent composition tables. Anyway, I though of different ways of dealing with section leads, and thought that information on when each particular district was established would have been perfect for that role. The unfortunate fact is that I am unable to find that information (no surprise, really). I even know the names of the printed sources, but unfortunately the only places I could possible get to them are the libraries of Adygea and Krasnodar Krai. As for you proposed layout, I am sorry, but I simply do not like it. In my view, it puts too much emphasis on name information without improving much. I'll definitely be on a lookout for more ideas for section leads, and you can have my word that I'll remove links in headings as soon as I have something. If that's not good enough for you, well, I guess I'll have to accept the fact that you (and probably some others) will oppose the nomination. I still welcome any input you might have, though :)
4. Administrative structure.
5. Cite web. What I meant by I am also unable to use the parameter from inside cite web is that currently the OKATOReference template uses a parameter to refer readers to the proper section of the document (code number, {{{1}}}). If I re-format the template using cite web, I am no longer able to use this parameter and have to either include the section number manually or not include it at all.
6. Map. I'll check if the map author agrees to re-do the map with a larger font. If not, we can just center the full-size map somewhere, as it is done, for example, in federal subjects of Russia.
7. ...and I hope you had wonderful New Year celebrations and had good time!

—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Renata, I don't know if you are going to be around much, but I thought I'd let you know that I nominated administrative divisions of Adygea for FL (here). Thank you so much for you valuable feedback, and hope to see you back sooner rather than later!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Lithuanian Bounty

It has been done. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 02:54, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Quaker State

Hello, many of us noticed you deleted the article on Quaker State. ...uhhh, any idea why? It is indeed notable, it sponsors NASCAR. Regards, Tuxide 07:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Not only NASCAR, but various teams in NHRA, IndyCar, FIA GT Championship, American Le Mans Series, and others. It is also a popular brand of motor oil. The359 07:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

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Baltic tribes map

Renata, I would love to work on a Baltic tribes map. I enjoyed making the Livonian Confederation map and this Baltic Tribes map looks interesting as well, with exotic peoples (exotic to me, at least) set in a distant time. Give me a week or so, and I should have a first try. MapMaster 18:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Here at long last is your requested map: Image:Baltic Tribes c 1200.svg. I'll write more about why I did what I did, but I wanted to get it posted tonight. Mistakes? Improvements?? All for now, more later. MapMaster 06:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

If you think that parts of the map are wrong or misleading, let me know. I have added to the references on the Image's page so can you look thru them.

I will add the Sudovian name to the map. There is both a Wikipedia article on the Yotvingians and another on the Sudovians but everything that I've seen says that these are two names for the same tribues. I'm tempted to merge them, but thought I should (at least) check with you first. Let me know, MapMaster 03:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, me again. I looked thru your concerns, replied to each of them, and made some changes to the map, though nothing striking. Rather than discuss this on my Talk page, I moved it to the map's talk page commons:Image talk:Baltic Tribes c 1200.svg.

Also, I have my first cut at translating the map: the PNG version is here. I need a name for the map (your choice) as well as the Lithuanian for kilometers and miles, and need you to check my spelling. Yr obedient servant, MapMaster 01:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The Lithuanian version of this map is available here. If there are any further changes, let me know. Also, if you could add a Lithuanian language description to the map's page (along with the present English & Latvian), I would be appreciative. I am hoping that you will place it in the appropriate Lithuanian language articles. Later! MapMaster 14:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

You certainly never bother me. I have fixed the Dnieper/Berezina matter on the English map. Your message on my talk page was a bit confusing, however ("could you move Aukstaitians label a bit to the west. Now it's way too far to the east."). So, I moved the Aukstaitians a bit to the west, but I was wondering whether you meant "east". In any case, could you review?? Thanks, MapMaster 00:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Aspazija

Hi, Renata, thank you for translating that article. I apoligise for asking after so long time has passed, but why were you questioning its accuracy ? In case if if you doubt refferences to Lithuania - she realy did live in Panevėžys shortly and wrote play set in medival Lithuania---- Xil/talk 23:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

File:1953 S Novym Godom.jpg

Happy New Year! (Ukrainian: З Новим Роком!, Russian: С Новым Годом!). I wish you in 2007 to be spared of the real life troubles so that you will continue to care about Wikipedia. We will all make it a better encyclopedia! I also wish things here run smoothly enough to have our involvement in Wikipedia space at minimum, so that we can spend more time at Main. --Irpen

Treaty of Dovydiškės

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I, Deucalionite, award you this emblem in honor of your sacrifices in expanding the Treaty of Dovydiškės. Thank you for your contributions.

Labai dėkui

... for the barnstar, which is entirely unexpected but extremely welcome. Happy New Year! HeartofaDog 11:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Vaisvilkas

I am afraid there is a confusion here. According to a number of chronicles (I personally checked with Bychowiec Chronicle and Evreinov Chronicle (Yevreinov Chronicle, Евреиновская летопись)) the Lavrishev Monastery was founded by son of Treniota, Rimantas (or Rimundas,Римонт. Римунд), who was baptized under the name Lavr, Lavrysh, Лавр, Лаврыш and founded the monastery later named after his name: Lavrishev Monastery. Vaishvilkas was among his monks, but it is said he lived somewhere else, separately. Rimantas is known in Orthodox tradition under his monastic name Yelisey: Saint Yelisey Lavrishevsky Елисей Лавришевский.

However some doubt the historicity of Rimantas and assume that in fact Vaisvilkas (Войшелк) founded the monastery and Yelisey was yet another person as discussed, eg, here . It should be noted that tales about Vaisvilkas as recorded by Maciej Stryjkowski in Chronicle of Poland, Lithuania, Samogitia and all of Ruthenia and Kojałowicz in Historia Lithuaniae are also considered semi-mythological.

At the moment I have no idea whether a settlement of Lavrishevo Лавришево matches the place of the monastery. There is no traces monastery there now and some express doubt as to the location. There is a Church of Dormition (1768)

In some sources the village of Lavrushevo Лаврушево is mentioned in the same region (By Navahrudak) in context of the restoration of the monastery.

It is also claimed that the monastery was also mentioned in old documents as монастырь Лаврашев or Лаврашевский монастырь (Lavrashev Monastery)

I have no time to validate all this, but I hope it will give you some more clues. `'mikka 19:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Lithuanian airfields

Happy New Year Renata3. I just saw your message posted on my talk page and I have a response there. In short, yes, please feel free to move any articles to the correct Lithuanian name, but please redirect using the old names since they are taken from authoritative (but possibly sloppy) American sources in aeronautical charts. -Timvasquez 05:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Questions

Thanks for the welcome message. I had a few questions. Someone just added some information to a page without citing sources, and there are some discrepancies in the wording this particular user used. Is there any way possible to contact this individual to find out where he found this information? How would I look up who it was? Thanks, Michaeldmccormick(login name).

LT history

Hi, did you receive the edit of LT history 1219-1295, and was it helpful? Sca 22:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yup, I did. Thanks a lot! I am just away for the whole week so I have extremely limited Internet access and can only check my email and watchlist. When I will be back, I will make the changes. Gotta run. Renata 03:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.

Hey Renata - Thanks for your support on the List of Formula One fatal accidents, much appreciated ;-).--Skully Collins ^Edits 13:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Grammar

Ok, I'll try:P--Lokyz 13:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Informal mediation

Could I ask you to look at some of recent Lokyz's contributions on talk of Polish-related articles, and ask her to stop assuming bad faith on the part of Polish editors? It would be great if you could explain to him that Poles are not 'hated by all of their neighbours' and are not 'chauvinists' who are 'mocking' Lithuanian culture and engage in 'witchunts' and so on. I have bad feeling that if such accusations persist, we will end up with Round 2 of the what we had before, and this was not pleasant for anybody invovled. PS. To a lesser extant, M.K. and Dr. Dan are not helping, and as for 'my side', I asked Halibutt to turn his attention to some non-Lithuania related articles, too, in order to defuse what I can. Thank you, -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  20:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I have extremely busy time these days, but I can not hold to making not on this. I am shocked how Piotrus is responding here, look at [18] with what passion article was created, continues insults on language [19] and yet again P.P is showing as "mistake" [20] then already we knew that it is not the mistake. So P.P then doing mediation with your friend at least use En that other contributors could see your "suggestions" properly. And stop mocking Lokyz suggesting that he is a woman! M.K. 20:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

What's wrong in being a woman ? :-) I know some very pretty women and not so many pretty men. ;-) --Lysy^talk 22:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

For starters, please don't taunt Halibutt like you did on his talk page. You don't see me annoying Ghirla, Lokyz or M.K. with such messages, do you? I suggest that per Halibutt post, you let time patch up bad karma between you. If you have little time for Wiki, there should be no need for you to devote so many posts to asking Halibutt 'if he really left', is there? Second, some posts by Lokyz and MK are offending to Polish contributors. Since you yourself complained that Polish editors are sometimes offending to Lithuanians (language mockery etc.) may I suggest we try to refrain from such actions, and activly criticize users 'from our side' who make such posts (I, as well as other Polish editors, have criticized Halibutt several times publicly on his talk page when I felt he stepped over the line, I'd appreciate if you and other Lithuanian ones would 'rein' the 'problematic users' on your side).-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  02:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I politly asked for articles on the subject that come up often in discussions with MK. I did not ask for a series of personal attacks. Halibutt and you is my business when I see one of you pestering the other one, just as when I see similar unconstructive actions carried by any editor on Wikipedia. And FYI, there is no war. There is just a couple of trolls (and I am not pointing fingers at any side) who try to destabilize the matter and push fringe POV, while the vast majority of nice guys on each side doesn't want to waste their time and stress themselves with related issues. Alas, all trolls sooner or later get kicked from this side, and the reasonable majority tryumphs. So this pointless conflict - which I will not honor with the name of war - will end.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  03:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Questions

Do not expect me to respond to your questions unless you plan to find any backup for your offences - or apologize for slandering my good name, calling me names and accusing me for a set of nasty things. Your approach towards me has been extremely rude, unfair and definitely not right, which I already pointed out several times. Your uncivilized behaviour was a drop too much and I will not extend my good will unless you try to extend your hand towards me this time. I've tried numerous times - and I failed. Now it's your turn to try to repair the wrongs you've done. //Halibutt 02:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Read my comment above. Or the comment I left when leaving wikipedia. Or the comments you left when leaving wikipedia. DO what you please. //Halibutt 02:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I wonder how would you react if someone did to you what you did to me and then pretend nothing happened. Please do not bother me unless you plan to find the courage to be responsible for your own words. Until that happens, our mutual contacts would be a waste of my time. //Halibutt 03:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I beg your pardon?! Apparently it's still not the right time for you. I've wasted enough of my time, good day. //Halibutt 03:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Birthplaces of Lithuanian sportsmen

Why do you replace birthplaces of people, who were born in the USSR by "Lithuania"? Isn't it obvious, that there was no such country in 1940-1990, there was the Lithuanian SSR, a republic of the USSR? Hence, I believe, that saying "Kaunas, Lithuanian SSR, now Lithuania" or "Kaunas, USSR, now Lithuania" or just "Kaunas" is OK, but "Kaunas, Lithuania" is not, in such cases.

Also I'm always confused and questioned, when I see e.g. "Lithuania" or "Russia" as "nationality" in many articles and even with the flag present nearby sometimes, instead of using "Lithuanians" and "Russians". Although perhaps this doesn't concern you, but some other editors - I didn't dig into this so far. Cmapm 03:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:Your comment at WP:RFI on Durova's page

Few points. The user has a right to ask for special priviliges, revisions or exceptions. Admins have no obligation to grant such wishes. I agree with Durova (no suprise) that it is a clear enough case: very few of Dr. Dan's contrubtions are constructive, instead, he wastes times of others in pointless and stressing flaming debates. And he can always reply on his talk page, up to using the 'unblock' template. Anyway, I find this statement puzzling: He might as well deserve to be blocked, but not like this. Do you think he should be blocked (clear yes or no, please :). And if 'yes, but not like this', then how? After we spend a month of several in WP:DR? I see no reason to waste time in DR on a user who almost never does anything constructive to our project, but wastes time of many creative contributors by flaming them on talk. This is not Ghirla, who while offending was one of the biggest content creators this project has ever seen... this is a user who is just offending and does little else. There are good reasons to cut through any 'red tape', deal with this nuisance and go back to work. Consider this: if I didn't have to deal with his flaming, I'd have probably had time to raise Lithuanian minority in Poland to DYK quality...-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  23:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

FYI, I added a commnet at WP:RFI on the issue, particularly on the Piotrus' behavior. --Irpen 06:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Sveika

could you come and say something about Pan-Polonism. I created a page but didn't noticed that such a pan-polonism probably don't exists at all and would mean not that thing which I wanted to display. I don't know how didvalstybinė lenkų ideologija, Lenkijos tapatinimas su LDK or something shoud be called in an article. It would be about an ideology which treats certain non-Polish lands as Poland‘s possession. Its matter would be something about denying GDL self dependence and likewise. Dellijks 20:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think that such a thinking (ideology?) which treated GDL lands to be Poland's possesion has existed. So maybe the article could be started about that? But about Pan-Polonism I think it was a mistake of mine to start such an article. As I know it can't be deleted, do you know somewhat about deleting? Dellijks 21:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Delete if you can. Ačiū. Neaiškiai ten paklausiau. Man kilo mintis kad straipsnis Didvalstybinė Lenkijos samprata galėtų egzistuoti. Bet pats nežinau ar šitaip vadinti būtų objektyvu. Iš esmės toks pavadinimas sakytų, kad Lenkijos istorinės pretenzijos (pvz Pilsudskio bandymas atkurti LDK) nėra pagrįstos. Nesukdamas galvos apie tai koks tiksliai turėtų būti turinys, pagrindimas ir paklausiau. Jei nenori čia ir dabar ar apskritai apie tai nieko pasakyti tai aš ir neprašyčiau gaišti laiko apie tai ką nors atsakinėjant. Tiek to ir klausimo, žodžiu, ištrink jei gali aną netikslų (kas matosi palyginus su pan-germanizmu ir pan-slavizmu) puslapį. Ačiū. Dellijks 15:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Map of Duchy of Courland

Thanks for the "catch" on my map of the Duchy of Courland and Semigallia. The error stems from Shepherd's original map, which shows what Wikipedia calls the "Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth" as the "Kingdom of Poland". This is, as you may realize, not uncommon (e.g. "Partitions of Poland" and not "Partition of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth").

In any case, I have an idea on how to differentiate these various areas (e.g. Polish Livonia, etc) while still showing that they all were a part of the Commonwealth. I should get the change(s) up within the next day or so. It would be faster, but my day job keeps interfering (drat!!). Thanks again, MapMaster 04:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I have updated the map, which now not only shows the Duchy of Courland & Semigallia, but the local extent of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Let me know if you see any other errors. Thanks, MapMaster 02:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Encyclopedia

Hi Renata - hope all is going well. Just wanted to let you know that I found Encyclopedia Lituanica at a Chicagoland library and they let me check it out...lugged home all 6 volumes. Am currently just surfing through it and using as a reference whenever. But if you have any specific requests, if you let me know, I'd be willing to write them up. Per a request on the project site, am planning to fill in the signatories of the Declaration of Independence - at a rate of 2 or 3 per day, should be done by Feb. 16th.

Also a request: this has occurred before but still can't figure out how to fix it; when I create an article, sometimes the title ends up in lower case, most recently Kaunas botanical garden. Could you, when you have a moment, fix it for me and tell me how you did it? Involves re-directing? Any way to prevent it from happening in the first place? Then also Kęstutis Nakas doesn't come up unless the e is properly entered...also needs a redirect? Novickas 23:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it worked :) Novickas 23:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Polish minority

You might be interested in my comment at Talk:Polish minority in Lithuania. Sca 20:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

DYK!

On 27 January, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Herkus Monte, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Savidan 16:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup

Sorry, Renata, that I left a mess needing disambiguation...Novickas 20:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Some help

Novickas presented interesting link [21] (65psl) in which exhibited genesis of Act of Independence. I tried to experiment to recreating it using techniques like in House of Mindaugas, but I did not master it yet, so maybe you can help with it? M.K. 12:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, no need to rush we have some time till 16. And if you have some remarks you could write them directly into my sand box. M.K. 12:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips, I wrote some preliminary remarks about lost Act in box in order not to forget, yes Aidas story will be presented too. M.K. 12:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks I will investigate prepared draft. M.K. 11:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, my draft version of article is in my box, I am not satisfied with the article, main points are, which I hope you will help to resolve (you can always edit my box):

• Paragraph headlines, they are not good at all, especially with those Act's versions
• The paragraph placement is also questionable - maybe place Further developments as one of last paragraph and so on.
• Paragraph Structure of Act is important, but it looks terribly especially with the image! maybe some particular format would help?
• Declaration text probably would look better if it was justified from left and fight, how to do it?
• Did not manage to find any decent source about lost Act version.
• Impact paragraph maybe should be merged? or expanded with something additional?
• Genesis/ table I did not managed to changed colours properly see the first two top boxes, bottom line is not visible. Need help here too :)

and various other issues! Suggestions much welcome. M.K. 12:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I would not kill you for this one :) very nice input, very nice! But when you have time could you advise on other issues of this article (points above). Thanks for helping me. M.K. 10:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

And once again you did your part superbly. answering your questions. First about notifications: (original text, I hope you understand this :)) :

>>>...sausio 26d. nutarimas. Šiuo nutarimu Lietuvos Taryba 12 balsų dauguma, 5 nar. balsavus prieš ir 3 susilaikius, priėmė du skirtingus Lietuvos nepriklausomybės skelbimo notifikacijos projektus: vieną Rusiją (neminint konvencinių ryšių su Vokiet.) ir antrą Vokietijai (pasisakant už konvencinius ryšius su Vokietija ir nurodant kad galutinai tai nuspręs Steigiamasis Seimas ). Protestuojant prieš šį nutarimą iš Tarybos pasitraukė keturi...<<<

and second:

>>>…Šią suvereniteto ir tęstinumo grandinę Lietuvos Taryba norėjo pažymėti ir išlaikyti - principinį teisėtą valstybės buvimą Europos žemėlapyje net nuo XIII a. karaliaus Mindaugo laikų. Aišku, naujaisiais laikais buvo orientuojamasi į valstybę etninėse ribose...<<< Hope you understand it. M.K. 20:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, article was not ready for main space. M.K. 17:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

It was not! M.K. 17:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Person of the Year

Hi Renata, just wondering about your "Person of the Year" award. What did you do to achieve it? Appleseed (Talk) 15:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Oops, I should have clicked the link. Anyway, congratulations! :-) Appleseed (Talk) 18:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Miscellaneous, 1/30/2007

Hi Renata - continued tense discussion (??) on User talk:Iulius Novickas 12:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Lithuanian given names

How do you think this should be organized? Like this maybe:

• Jonas - English equivalent: John
• Ona - English equivalent: Anne
• Gediminas - a xth century ruler of Lithuania

If one were to try and give some background on all the names currently on the list, though, a lot of them would have to come off; they could be re-entered by interested parties over time. On the other hand, this really would be a useful tool for non-natives who are visiting, conducting business, or doing genealogical research. What say? Novickas 16:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Notice board

Hi Renata, is there a Lithuanian notice board? Appleseed (Talk) 20:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Bartians, was selected for DYK!

On February 3, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bartians, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 22:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Yet another FA

Whoa ! Congrats. --Lysy^talk 22:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  23:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Sock puppetry

User:£ once engaged in vandalism (hoax article plus libel on Pro Patria Union: here I reported it, but of course no-one took any measures! (here WP:DR suggested again... oh dear!)). I have considered seemingly new account User:Roobit as well - it has the same extremist anti-Baltic POV as so-called £ had. Constanz - Talk 08:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

NewArtBot for WP:LITH

Sure, I will do it tonight (my time) when I will come from work. Alex Bakharev 23:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

Thanks for the note. He is, to put it mildly, a jerk. But he's a very good editor/writer/researcher so I guess we can put up with him! -Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 00:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of CatLinc. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kojiro Takenashi (talk • contribs)

Council of Lithuania Vilnius Conference

You're right, it needs to be done. But kugelis with sour cream and bacon on top would be better. Novickas 19:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Vilnius Conference OK, show me the kugelis! Novickas 21:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, it was delicious! Hope your recovery from the flu is coming along. Novickas 17:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Renata. Did everyone decide during the snowstorm that they should work on their taxes? I'm thinking about blowing off work this afternoon and going to the University of Illinois library, maybe will find some more stuff about the Conference proceedings. Sure would have been nice to have a fly on the wall there. Also, curious now about the Lithuanian month names - when did they come up with those? Soon after 1918, no? IMO that would make an interesting small article. Well, happy Independence Day! Novickas 15:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

CP of Lithuania

Its a work in process. Both CPSU and other articles associated with it are a mess. I'm trying to bring some order in the situation, but I'm not sure of what the end result should be, and any suggestions are welcome. In short there needs to be a differentiation made between the following:

• Political parties that where merged into the CPSU
• Regional branches of CPSU (which could also have separate articles, but I'm not sure how to do with naming)
• Parties formed after the break-up of CPSU

--Soman 16:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

My suggestion would be the following:

• Communist Party of Estonia, Communist Party of Latvia, Communist Party of Lithuania dealing with pre-CPSU parties.
• Articles like History of the Communist Party of Lithuania 1940-1991, which in its header clarifies that it deals with the history of LKP, Lithuanian territorial org of CPSU 1940-1991. Summaries of these articles (like 4-5 sentences) present in main CPSU article.

--Soman 16:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that there has to be a constitent policy. This doesn't just concern the Baltics, but also Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, etc.. It can seem that there is a direct continuation between pre-1940 and post-1940, and I don't dispute that in many cases that was the fact. The issue in creating articles is that, through the merger into CPSU(b), the LKP ceased to be an independent party. There needs to be a differentiation here. Also, the solution to the fact that the LKP article is just a stub at the moment is to expand that article. --Soman 17:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Adygea

Hi, Renata! Remember administrative divisions of Adygea which was featured not long ago? As promised, I've been looking for ways to improve the layout. Apart from the vast expansion, I am still playing with various ideas for tables format. If you have time and/or inclination, could you take a look at this layout and let me know if it addresses the issues you were previously concerned about? Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 22:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem, that happened to me more than on one occasion, too. I just figured you were too busy to answer. I'm glad that the new format is more to your liking. As for the two-line solution, I don't really like it myself, but everything else I tried worked even worse. Anyway, if six months after today you suddenly think of a great solution that would address remaining formatting problems, please don't hesitate to let me know—I'll gladly do the tweaking! Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

List of Dad's Army episodes

With regards to fixing column width allt he wya across, how could thsi be done? I've fixed many of the problems you had with teh article, and am trying on the column width one. Have I done enough to alter you opinion? (expansion of other overviews pending) RHB ^{Talk - Edits} 15:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

user:68.78.54.227

This vandal become very disruptive, maybe you have some tools to stop him see Lithuania article for evidence. M.K. 19:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Žirmūnai to FA

You could now try to nominate Žirmūnai to FA Iulius 09:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe ref formats should be equalized first, M.K. 11:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I am not competent in that. Iulius 08:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I will do it in up coming days, M.K. 18:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It is done; start nomination? M.K. 12:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 15 February, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Act of Independence of Lithuania, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 15:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

List of XYZZY Awards by category

Hi, I just fixed everything you suggested at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of XYZZY Awards by category, thanks for the feedback. could you have a another look and maybe change your "oppose" vote if its to your satsifaction? cheers. Nespresso 17:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

the references are now formatted per cite web. i have tweaked the lead a little: could you explain how it fails to meet WP:LEAD? it is one full paragraph that stands alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, and summarizing the article content. there are no word-count guidelines at WP:LEAD, and one paragraph is generally enough for a list. Additional information about the Xyzzies does not belong in this list, but in the main XYZZY Awards article. Cheers. Nespresso 13:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

National Recording Registry Recordings FLC vote

Thanks for evaluating List of recordings preserved in the United States National Recording Registry as a WP:FLC at the discussion page. I believe I have overcome your objections and would appreciate it if you would reconsider you vote. TonyTheTiger 22:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Dad's Army episodes

I've done some heavy editing. Would you consider taking another look and reconsidering your vote? Thanks for your input, RHB ^{Talk - Edits} 01:58, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Its been removed from the FLC page, but apparently not yet failed? Should I relist it now that all editors concerns have been met? Column width was done shortly after I read your post - I tried it originally with width=100pt or something similar, but left it until earlier today. Thanks, RHB ^{Talk - Edits} 19:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Flag

I guess it is a roundabout way of suggesting that the Lithuanian language orginated in Africa. (That's probably why you're all so tall, too!)

PS: Judging by the number of official flag days listed, you're even bigger flag-wavers than we are. (But I don't recall seeing the flag waving anywhere much in LT except on public bldgs.) Sca 22:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

You should came to LT on February 16, even the traffic police gave flags (small ones) to drives. M.K. 12:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

UCINET deletion

I'm confused why my (very stubby) article on UCINET was deleted. It was given a db-spam tag, but I was really just trying to describe the software. I started the article because I had spent some time trying to figure out what this software was exactly (it was mentioned in class), and I thought a brief article at least mentioning what the software's intended use was would be better than nothing for others that found themselves in my position. I can assure you that I have no relationship with the makers of the software (and I wouldn't even recommend its use after researching it), but I'm not sure why it shouldn't have a page on Wikipedia. Maybe I'm just confused as to why some proprietary software is allowed a page and some is not. I was considering starting an article for Pajek, another software suite with similar intended use, but I'll wait to hear back on this first. Spud603 22:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response... just what I was looking for. Spud603 04:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Robin Raven deletion

You speedily deleted Robin Raven with "nn actor" as the reason given. Could you explain? The article was written in good faith, and was factual, including references to outside sources such as imdb. Thanks in advance for responding. — Eric Herboso 08:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Lithuanian Nationality Law

I can see the reasoning behind this policy...but have no guidance as to whether the law texts are in the public domain or not. The Constitutional Court website at [22] is clearly marked with a copyright symbol. Suggestions? Novickas 13:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Would you like to start contributing to "Did you Know" which updates every 6 hours on the main page? The problem is that the Template:Did_you_know is protected, and admins have to add "did you know" below that templates. And sometimes we have backlogs of up to 10 hours.

I invite you to familarize yourself with the DYK system: people list their suggestions here. Then another editor if it qualifies updates:Template:Did_you_know/Next_update.

Then its just cut and paste to Template:Did_you_know and give everyone credits. --Parker007 05:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Philosophiae, Philosophae

Thanks for catching the formatting on these redirects. ... Kenosis 17:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Reconsideration

There has been a call for reconsideration by objectors at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of recordings preserved in the United States National Recording Registry. TonyTheTiger 14:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 3 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lietuvos aidas, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Ačiū for the contribution - and hopefully I protected the image correctly)

Zverynas

You might be interested in this:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=181807

Sca 23:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

FAC2 - List of recordings preserved in the United States National Recording Registry

You voiced an opinion on FLC1, but have not chimed in on FLC2. Feel free to voice an opinion and hopefully a supportive one. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 08:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Galleries of Fair Use images

Renata, what are our current policies on the galleries of fair use images? Are galleries like Spike_TV#Logos allowed? Alex Bakharev 02:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks! Alex Bakharev 03:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Another copyright question

Sorry for bothering you in the middle of tax season. Would you review my action here? If you agree with me, what is the implication for the Feynman article, which contains inferior PD images? Thanks - NYC JD (objection, asked and answered!) 18:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Adygea

Hi, Renata! If you are still interested in this, I will welcome your comments on the new revision of the administrative divisions of Adygea featured list, which is now on peer review here. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

No, I never give up :) Perfectionism is, unfortunately, the story of my life—I seem to never be able to actually finish anything because nothing is ever up to standards and can always be further improved :) Anyway, if you could find a minute for a review, I'd certainly much appreciate it!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 23:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Just wondering about FU images

Just wondering why you removed the RPI logo from the template. Is that an invalid fair-use? I was trying to balance the template's appearance. Also, I noticed a few other universities doing similar things eg. (Duke University, and MIT). Danski14 21:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

?

Hey, Renata, what's with the tone here? My message was a very polite and friendly advise. Anyone is free to ignore it. --Irpen 16:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the review of Taiwanese aborigines

• Thanks for the review of Taiwanese aborigines!
• I left three barnstars on the WP talk page...
• Later! --Ling.Nut 13:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed review. I appreciate it. Maowang 00:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Area element

Please may I have the content for the deleted article userfied to me. It seemed a reasonable maths article, listed as a missing topic, so I'd like to recreate it. Strange the original author blanked it, but that's his whim! --Steve _(Stephen) ^talk 03:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response --Steve _(Stephen) ^talk 04:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Please restore Milkwall, Gloucestershire

• 03:47, 2 April 2007 Renata3 (Talk | contribs) deleted "Milkwall, Gloucestershire" (content was: '{{db-bio}}Milkwall is a small village with a friendly local pub and a local shop.')

Could you please restore the article Milkwall, Gloucestershire, and add the following categories at the end of the article: {{Gloucestershire-geo-stub}} [[Category:Forest of Dean]] [[Category:Villages in Gloucestershire]] I think the consensus is that Cities and villages are notable, regardless of size, according to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes. When I want to verify the existence of a British town or village, I look it up at http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk, which allows me to add the town's grid reference to the article. --Eastmain 05:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Could you restore the article to my userspace as User:Eastmain/Milkwall, Gloucestershire so that I could fix them there, as I did Joys Green? I didn't create either article. I noticed that someone else had created the article and that it had been deleted, so I wanted to fix the article. --Eastmain 23:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

House of Mindaugas on hold

Just a note to let you know that I have placed House of Mindaugas on GA hold. Let me know if you fix the items I listed, and I'll take another look. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk) 02:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Mykolas Kęsgaila

Hi, Renata! When you get back, could you, please, take a look at Mykolas Kęsgaila and Mykolas Kęsgaila (died 1476)? The latter is definitely poorly named, but I am not sure what it should be renamed to, so I'm asking you, the only Lithuanian I know. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Article deletion

Hello - I noticed that five days ago you deleted Tony Payne without an AfD. There are people who have edited this page and other related ones for Tony's work (like Matthias Media and The Briefing) who would have preferred this go to an AfD. Can you please put this on an AfD debate, or failing that, userfy the page to me so that I can edit it and replace it? JRG 01:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree to this AfD asking --Altermike 07:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of PESWiki. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Altermike 07:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Secret Pants

Please explain why this page was delete and protected. I have proven why they are notable and have reference everything I possibly could have. I even heavily compromised what the content was because it was deemed "unnecessary" by users ChrisGriswold and TruthinComedy. Why is it that you guys continue to bully me around on this? Thedanberg 22:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Rebuttal

I'm really glad you guys all look at this so objectively. Just because they are not notible in your opinion its completely irrelevant. I was told I wasn't allowed to use the fact that they (yes, "they" being as I'm not part of the troupe as you apparently think) were in the top ten most subscribed to comedy podcast on iTunes because Apple does not post past records. They were, at one point, #8. They are currently #11 in comedy and #27 overall. That's not notable!?!

Unfortunately, that is not something that can be linked, but if you go and actually look, that is ahead of several other "notable" groups such as Olde English, Joe Cartoon, Queer Duck, and Comedy Central. As a matter of fact, they are actually featured RIGHT NOW on the podcast main page in the iTunes store. Too bad they are not good enough for a FREE ONLINE REFERENCE SITE!! Disagree? Let me know. Thedanberg 01:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Fine...

How do I get this unblocked? I have another reference point that maybe you consider "notable." Here you go, Secret Pants featured on Comedy Central's blog: http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/2006/05/jerry_bruckheim.html Thedanberg 05:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright problems with Image:Metro Athens extensions en.jpg

Hello Renata, about the Metro artcle I had contacted with them and they have given me permission and I have made some relative comments, if I remember correctly. If there is still any concern, you can always contact them through email. (Alkiviadis 05:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC))

As a matter of fact I have the email sent to me from a representative of Athens Metro. You can always get a translation if you want because it's in Greek.

Η ΑΤΤΙΚΟ ΜΕΤΡΟ ΑΕ σας χορηγεί την άδεια να χρησιμοποιήσετε φωτογραφίες του Μετρό της Αθήνας από τη διαδικτυακή της πύλη (www.ametro.gr), όπου επιπλέον μπορείτε να βρείτε επικαιροποιημένες πληροφορίες για το Μετρό της Αθήνας (δείτε τις σχετικές ανακοινώσεις Τύπου στην ενότητα ΕΠΙΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΑ) καθώς και τον νέο χάρτη του δικτύου, όπου πλέον συμπεριλαμβάνεται η νέα Γραμμή 4.

Στη διάθεσή σας για οποιαδήποτε διευκρίνιση.

Χάρης Τσιματζής

gz000@hotmail.com wrote:

   Name: Γιώργος Ζερβάκης. 

E-mail: gz000@hotmail.com Company: Telephone: Age: 25 - 44 Comments: Γράφω στην ηλεκτρονική εγκυκλοπαίδεια Wikipedia και θα ήθελα μια σχετική άδεια για δημοσίευση φωτογραφιών από τον ιστοχώρο σας. To URL για την Αγγλική έκδοση είναι: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attiko_Metro_S.A. ενώ για την Ελληνική είναι: http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Αθηναϊκό_μετρό. Ευχαριστώ εκ των προτέρων.

Date: 27/1/2006

ΔΗΜΟΣΙΕΥΣΗ: NAI

Following up on your message

Hi, Renata! Sorry I did not promptly respond to your feedback. I took the liberty of moving your list to the peer review page; hope it's OK with you. I am planning to respond there soon.

As for Kęsgaila, what I was trying to say that Mykolas Kęsgaila (died 1476) is a horrible title for an article, but I can't move it to Mykolas Kęsgaila because it is about a different person. If you could disambiguate those two properly, that'd be great. I'd do it myself, but I have no clue what disambiguator would work the best for these people. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Konkani Dictionary, deletion of article.

I have posted my comments on the talk page Talk:Konkani Dictionary. Kindly go thorugh it. --Deepak D'Souza (talk• contribs) 04:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I have no problem if it takes space. Probably this comment will take more space than the redirect itself :-). Fine with me --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 13:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

Vilnius conference equals decision to break union with Poland

Hello For me is clear that this was the main topic (or background) of the discussion on the Vilnius conference. I wonder if it could have been openly stated? Even if it was not discussed open, it was the background of the decisions made there. Plaese comment. Cautious 09:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Labas, reikia truputi pagalbos

Nelabai susigaudau, kaip reikia elgtis su išnašais. Ar literatūros sąrašą reikia sudaryt atskirai po to nurodant kažkokius pavidinimus. Gal galit pagelbėt?

Brontë poems

I felt that Lines (Branwell Brontë poem) at least deserved an AfD. Also, be aware that it is part of a project - see Wikipedia:Brontë poems. -- RHaworth 10:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

ArbCom/Piotrus

Case has been started, probably you will be interested: [23] M.K. 10:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. I would appreciate your input, too. You always tried to 'cool hot heads', and your skills may be desperatly needed there - plus nobody can accuse you of 'anti-Lithuanian bias' as some of other people that may comment there :) -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  18:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to know, how many last warnings will the unashamed anti-Baltic soapboxer Roobit still be offered? Could you please intervene yourself, because I see you have dealt with the issue before?193.40.5.245 11:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (Talk) 20:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Deleted Page?

I was trying to look up Jason Tyne and was told he had an article written about him. What happened to it? --Willy the Wildcat 00:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay - since this is my first time trying to make a Wikipedia entry, and within minutes of starting the thing you deleted it, I've gotta ask: How is a person supposed to build up an entry when you go ahead and delete it within minutes? I don't understand. I am trying to make a contribution, and you went ahead and deleted it before it even had a chance. Very disappointing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultraist (talk • contribs)

TINKLECOMM Mail

You really need to restore my article called TINKLECOMM Mail. I dont appreciate you suggesting to delete it because I did everything that was supposed to be done in order for it to be in "Wikipedia standards." --Muriness 01:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

No, you go look at the deletion page, If you acually took the time to look at it and then compare it to another similar article you would have seen that it was in the wikipedia standard. See you administratiors get a little power and it goes all to your heads! Now Renata3, Im asking nicely for you to restore the page and to LOOK at it and COMPARE it to another similar page such as Yahoo Mail or AIM mail. --Muriness 01:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Please restore my article called "TINKLECOMM Mail". Im pratically begging now. I do not want to start everything over from scratch. thanks. --Muriness 14:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I looked at the page and its not helping. Can you please just do me that favor of restoring my page please. Like I stated before, I really dont want to restart the article again. --Muriness 02:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Not WP:RM

Okay, okay. I understand the Community Portal is not WP:RM. However, the problem with the discussion (it's technically not a move request, although it looks like one) is that it is not getting opinion from the general community. As you may see, many of the editors are Arabic-language speakers (or Arabs) or Farsi-language speakers (or Persians). Clearly, that's not representative of the entire community. I'll file an RfC instead, but do you have any other ideas (since you obviously disapprove of the use of Community Portal)? -- tariqabjotu 21:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Martynas Bendorius

Hello, I wonder why his biography, photo etc. were deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Becky748 (talk • contribs)

88.119.20.192 19:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC) Martynas Bendorius He is a creative professional, I see no reason to delete the thread about him, do you?

Unspecified source for Image:Hk22.png

The original uploader of the image is Arbiteroftruth; I only converted it to PNG from the original GIF. Just asked them about this image. --Fibonacci 04:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Olympics prod

Hi,

you removed the prod from Lithuania at the 1928 Summer Olympics. Since the article only says that Lithuania was there, it really isn't much of an article. However, you are correct that it is part of a series. I will put the batch (those for teams that won nothing) up for afd in the next few days. When I do so, I will alert you here, as you've shown an interest. Jd2718 20:15, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 14 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Battle of Durbe, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 15:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Image tag

I have issue with this part of the license - "The image's REPRODUCTION, without the Artist's signed license, IS EXPLICITLY FORBIDEN in the following cases: a) Production of copies (such as posters, post-cards, art - albums in printed or electronic form) for the purpose of selling them for profit. b) Use of the image for whatever commercial advertisement purposes." Unfortunately, Wikipedia allows mirroring and forking of its content for any use, including potential commercial uses, so one of our image speedy deletion criteria is that an image cannot be released under such a license. (ESkog)^(Talk) 03:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, I see what you're saying. I think I was wrong on this one. Thanks for keeping me honest. (ESkog)^(Talk) 03:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Ethnographic village

Would you consider creating an article explaining the term ? I would but I do not have enough knowledge on the subject. --Lysy^talk 19:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

House of Gediminas

On 22 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article House of Gediminas, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Aquarius &#149; talk 03:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Šušvė

Hello, Renata! I created article about Šušvė. Can you edit grammar of the article? My English level isn't so good to write articles in English Wikipedia. Thank you! Regards, Hugo.arg 12:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Baltic porter

Hello. I have reverted your redirect. I believe it merits its own article. I mean, it's a good idea to include info on the "parent" article, but I don't agree with the redirect. Let me know if you still disagree. Renata 16:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in touch. I can see how someone might consider the redirect odd at first glance. However, if you note, the Baltic porter article consists of one paragraph, one picture, and a list of beers. The beers are random and non-notable. Such lists are commonly frowned upon and removed from articles. When the list is removed the article is simply a stub. When there is more information that may be the time to consider splitting it off from the main article and creating a stand alone article. As you are probably aware, Baltic porter is stout. The place to discuss it is in the general article on stout, and it is helpful to a reader who is looking for information on Baltic porter to be directed to the article on stout where Baltic porter can be discussed in context. I would direct your attention to Irish stout, Imperial Stout, Milk stout, Oatmeal stout, Chocolate stout and Oyster stout, all of which have been accepted into the main article. There has been some discussion on these merges, see Talk:Stout. I accept your concern, and am grateful to you for letting me know what you have done. There are always alternative views, and it's good to hear what other readers and editors are thinking. My own view is that Baltic porter could have its own article, but it's just not ready at the moment. However, that is only my view - if I haven't managed to convince you and would like to get a wider view then please raise the matter on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beer. Regards SilkTork 19:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Mindaugas

Why was my entry to the Mindaugas page deleted instantly? The informatio was correct.

Charles.

Slander

Now that you finally returned to Wikipedia, how about finally presenting evidence for your accusations - or an apology for your slandering my good name and for your unprovoked offences? It's been over 9 months now and I'm still waiting. //Halibutt 04:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Culture of Lithuania

Hello. I was planning to do some work on the abovementioned article, and I came across this odd caption in Lithuania#Culture: "A sculpture of angel — a symbol of tongue-in-cheek Republic at Užupis, Vilnius." Any idea what that's meant to be saying? I can't make heads nor tails of it, and at least one other person has commented about it.

Also, if you have any brief advice for Culture of Lithuania, feel free to drop me a note! (You offered as such on the Reward Board.)

--Grey Knight ⊖ 16:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I rewrote the caption, now to work on the hard bit :-) I've been trying to track down images (or even the blazons) of the missing city coats of arms too, but no luck so far. --Grey Knight ⊖ 17:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

After discussion with User:Alekjds, I decided to change both the caption and the entire Užupis article. Thoughts are welcome! --tiny plastic Grey Knight ⊖ 13:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Castle

There a few sources mentioning 'Santyr' but is seems also to be a mispelling; it's supposed to be a site of ancient settlement (gród) dating to at least 13th century. Polish Wikipedia does however has an article about pl:Zantyr, it was taken over by the Teutonic Order and a castle was indeed constructed there - however little archeological evidence has been found, so little that there is even no consensus where exactly the Zantyr and the castle are. If you can read Polish, see [24]. If you'd like me to translate pl wiki article, do drop me a note.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  18:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, that's a fascinating subject, I have it on my watchlist. It's also a great example of an important piece of history mostly ignored by Western research... don't you ever get the feeling that for some people, east of Odra 'there are still dragons'? :) One of my recent endavours if feeling the red links of Duchies of Silesia. There were dozens of them - and guess how many had articles on Wiki till few days ago... :) -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  03:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

NYC meetup

Please join us: Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC -- Y not? 20:26, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Mark Brooks (comics)

A "{{prod}}" template has been added to the article Mark Brooks (comics), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but yours may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. TheRingess (talk) 13:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Prussian uprisings

On 13 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Prussian uprisings, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 16:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Prussian uprisings - brilliant new article!! Wow!!! Great stuff keep up the great work ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 20:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

MK

Hi, Renata. Do you know that Fred Bauder suggested to ban M.K. for a year from Lithuania-related topics? Since you seem to know this user much better than I do, I believe the community would appreciate your opinion on the issue. Do you think his behaviour has really been disruptive? --Ghirla^-трёп- 18:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Baseless deletion of "Juce" article.

I'm livid to find that sometime in the past few weeks you've unceremoniously deleted the article about my software product, "Juce". The reason you've put down is copyright violation, which is nonsense, because I wrote all the text that was on that page.

Since there's nothing whatsoever to explain why it got deleted, nor was there any attempt to contact me first, I've no idea what actually happened. Presumably someone must have noted that the text was similar to some text on my website, (and of course it was!), so to protect me from a copyright violation by myself, it's been removed. Ridiculous.

If you could let me know whether you'll restore it, that'd be great, because otherwise I'll need to re-create it, as people do have links to the now-absent page. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Julianstorer (talk • contribs) 11:12, 2 July 2007

Re: Juce article being deleted

Ok, you could argue that the text wasn't suitable (which is a matter of opinion), but I'm speechless at your claim that it's not "notable" enough to be deserve a place.

Maybe you've never heard of it, but Juce is used, developed and discussed by thousands of people around the world. It's the backbone of software products that have shipped millions of copies. You might have some Juce software on your computer right now. Companies, universities, enthusiasts all use this stuff every day. It's been reviewed by major IT sites like the Register, and is linked to by countless c++/UI related sites.

And most infuriatingly, Wikipedia has dozens of articles about equivalent (and many more obscure) libraries, which seem to have escaped your mighty sword of justice.

So should I spend time posting a new, less controversial, version of the article, or will you just come along and nix it straight away?

Deletion without a useful explaination is called Censorship. Clearly, the previous page wasn't an advertisement but a introduction similar to Qt / Gtk projects. Deleting the article purely based on your own (personal) judgement without a justified reason is inadmissible. Ok, I've seen you invoke the copyright violation reason, but before invoking it, you've too verify if there is a copyright violation. It's obvious there is none, as the article author is the copyright holder of the text he has written on his own website (you don't even know if the text on his website is not from wikipedia, who knows, maybe it's time to remove all Wikipedia article that are cited elsewhere on the net).

You decided on your own that Juce library wasn't worth being considered, thus indirectly promoting Qt or Gtk projects. This is also inadmissible, as it undoubtly proves you're partial.

For that reason, you shouldn't be allowed to moderate Wikipedia. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Julianstorer (talk • contribs) 16:06, 2 July 2007

Hi Renata, I've taken the liberty of having a look over this issue, and I think this can be resolved neatly :-). I'm putting it through DRV myself, have a look there to see my reasoning. Ye Olde Deletionne Reviewe Templatte follows!

• An editor has asked for a deletion review of Juce. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

Thanks! --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 09:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Treaty of Christburg

Hi Renata3. You are off to such a great start on the article Treaty of Christburg that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. The Main Page gets about 4,000,000 hits per day and appearing on the Main Page may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the "Good" articles proposed by bot list. Also, don't forget to keep checking back at Did you know suggestions for comments regarding your nomination. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 23:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Prussian uprisings - GA nom

On the off chance you are not watching it, please see the review and requests for improvement before the GA status is awarded.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Lithuania

Thanks for correcting my articles :) I hope I'll learn to write better in English. Hugo.arg 18:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, here (in WikiProject Lithuania) is something like this Wikipedia:Argentina-related regional notice board? Hugo.arg 18:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Ttturbo

You beat me to the reblock. Good call. Moreschi ^Talk 10:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 10 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Treaty of Christburg, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Rigadoun (talk) 17:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:Renata screen.jpg)

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Re:Review of the invasion

Thanks for your comments. Quick replies:

• it was a request by another reviewer to use notes, and the example he gave me (War against Nabis) has long notes, with citatins, too. I will fix the note with five elinks shortly.
• I dislike cite mechanism, particularly since its very time consuming, creates a mass of wiki syntax making editing harder (which is why I argued for a separate reference namespace...) and there is no easy way to convert stuff into it.
• Feel free to remove any information you think is non-essential. I like my articles to be as densly linked and comprehensive as possible (per WP:BTW)
• dates and durations of battles, in chronological order, had a section in the article - it was removed because of a complain by another reviewer. Do you see a pattern? :)
• I think the article follows chronological order?
• Aftermath had headings (like 'Allied reaction'), they were removed because of complains they were to stubby...
• Soviet invasion is a part of the wider Invasion article, which discusses other fights (i.e. the beginning of the Phony War with Saar Offensive) in more detail
• Feel free to fix minor issues, and there is a native speaker editor dedicated to copy-editing working on the article, but since there is no such thing as 'one perfect style', we have both reviewers commenting on good style/copyedit and asking for more :)

Thanks for the comments, by all means, feel free to edit the article and comment on the FAC. I will see about addressing as many of your points as possible soon.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  11:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I fixed the note with elinks and created {{Campaignbox Soviet invasion of Poland}} which I hope works better then bullet list. I think citations are relatively consistent now - cite.php for inline citations, notes split off to notes. If there are any particular confusing places with regards to chronology, let me know and I will check them out. As for subsections, I am afraid they would be considered to small by some, but you can add them - and we will see if somebody will criticize them in FAC again.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  13:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Marshall Street

I edited the Marshall Street page because I've lived here for 34 years and some of the information was inaccurate, incomplete, unorganized and spelled improperly. True, I did add some things that were left out making it "more lengthy" but it was already somewhat lengthy. If you look at the page for "Armory Square" you will see that it is twice as lengthy, yet it's been there for quite some time. Deleting the part of the page that you did keeps people from imperative information about the area and some of those establishments that were deleted have links to other pages. I undid what you did not knowing that you were an administrator. If you think that some of the information is not neccesary, please let me know which and I will modify it, but please don't just remove everything...

Copy edit

Hey, could you copy edit (and expand if needed :) ) this. As contributor who suggested to write this article is not showing up any more.M.K. 10:26, 19 July 2007 (UTC)p.s. maybe you will have some ideas about this one too. M.K. 10:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Could you properly move this one from sandbox to main space? Btw, did it need part which starts "Charter also proclaimed:"? M.K. 17:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the move. M.K. 17:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Categorizing redirects

I'm interested in your thoughts about categorizing redirects.[25] I didn't care for the practice when I first encountered it, but lately I have been including categories in some redirects when I think a particular topic can be more easily found if it is grouped among similar items. ✤ JonHarder ^talk 23:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Possible copyvio image

Hi! Even though you took the picture used in Image:Scientology Tone scale.jpg, and the Org had it right in the window, it is a picture of a copyrighted chart and that copyright doesn't just disappear. (Otherwise critics could take pictures of all the pages of upper level materials and publish them on the Internet. Somehow I doubt Scientology and the RTC would agree with that.) You might want to check the rules on Derivative work. AndroidCat 01:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Picture of the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum

the actual picture

Hello Renata3,

i found you about the project New York, and would ask you to take some photos. I wrote the article Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum in the german wikipedia, which is a "Lesenswerter Article" ( i think similar to your "Good Articles" here). In the candidature there was the advice to ask the prpoject New York for better pictures of the museum. The actual picture shows the museum from the wrong point, so the "nautilus-part" of the museum isn't visible well. Do you understand my point? If you are the wrong person to ask, can you tell me another wikipedian i can ask?

Cheers Julius1990 18:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your fast repley. I should have thought about that, so thanks for your advice. Cheers Julius1990 18:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

FLC

Can anyone close an FL candidacy as long as there is consensus for it to be failed/promoted? Just wondering, as there seems to be a backlog there. RHB - Talk 19:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Tautiška giesmė

I decided to take your second bounty and I will make this article FA. I am wondering if I might have more information on the history of the anthem and maybe a section on proper protocol of the anthem (like at My Belarusy or the Mexican anthem). Thanks. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 04:13, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I think this is a law passed in 1999 with the protocol to the anthem. I can easily write a paragraph on it now, but I think I need some more information about the LtSSR and the independence period. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 03:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you much for your advice. Actually I intend to expand them. Kind regards.moon 02:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Singapore law firms

I notice that you had deleted 2 entries I added to wikipedia. What I intended was to add law firms that are actually in Singapore to the category Category:Law firms of Singapore. My plan was to add them from time to time. As it is, there is only 1 Singapore firm listed, ie Drew & Napier. If there is a better way of doing this without violating any policies, I will welcome suggestions and advice. --Aseanhunter 07:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

House of Gediminas, etc.

Hi Renata, hope your GMAT studies are going well. Re the House, hmmm, the shameless part of the request was the flattery. It will be a day or three tho, will leave notes at the talk page. Take care, Novickas 12:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Done with it for now, needs other eyes, hope you like. Novickas 14:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC) See [26] before it goes away! Novickas 22:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, is it time for this action-packed saga of the North, overflowing with intrigue, love, violence, sex, sin, and citations thereof, to be nomimated as a GA? Novickas 13:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Favor? In GA review article it suggests that we review and try to improve some other GA candidate. I picked Cheddar Gorge; could you take a brief look at it and see if anything still jumps out at you? Methinks the troublesome statements about largest, etc. have been referenced. Best, Novickas 20:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Dang. At least it has references now. Thanks for your time, Novickas 11:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe then you have more time, you will suggest some improvements to this one, especially naming it. M.K. 20:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Seyeds

Why did you delete Seyeds? Picaroon (t) 03:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Anthem

Hi, bad news... I cannot dig up any new info on the topic. Somehow Lithuanians don't seem to like their song :) Renata 03:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

That stinks. Anyways, I am thinking we can add the national law from 1999 in the article and see what happens after that. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 03:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Question

I would like to create an article about the "Magna Charta of European Universities", which has been signed by over 400 of these. It doesn't appear in the WP Magna Carta disambig entries, AFAIK it's not on WP. The question is, can I insert the text of the original 1988 declaration (at [27]) or does that have to go to Wikisource and NOT be included in its entirety in the article? If you could point me to similar situations that would help. Best, Novickas 14:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Negėjus neateistas

Labas, siūlau užblokuoti naudotoją Pionier, nes tai yra tas pats žr skyrelio pavadinimą bei žr category:Lithuanian atheists :) Ar čia ok teirautis lietuviškai, ar reikia išversti į anglų kalbą? --Katoa 15:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC) (Mea) (remark about a vandal)

User:87.74.46.129

Thanks for cleaning up this user's mess. He seems to be promoting an agenda, and in any case his categorizations are unjustifed. I suspect he'll be persistent. The same editor was previously using 87.74.5.175. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Livonian Confederation map

Thanks for fixing the location of Ascherbaden on the Image:Confederation of Livonia 1260.svg map, Renata. It was entirely my error. Nice to know there's support out there when I'm away. MapMaster 00:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Kissy Road Church of the Holy Trinity

Non-notable churches are speedied all the time. Do we really have to go through AfD which will take 5 days to get this deleted? Corvus cornix 18:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

What gives you the idea that churches are inherently notable? Where is that policy, or that consensus, for that matter, established? Church articles get deleted all the time. Corvus cornix 18:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

tendentious categorizing

Hi, Renata3. So I see the anon vandal has resumed adding bio articles to the categories "Jewish Communists" and "Jewish Atheists". I note, though, that several of these articles were already subject to this kind of tendentious categorizing. Absent demonstrated relevance to the person's bio, I'm generally opposed to including people in these categories -- quite frankly I'd be just as happy if the categories disappeared, as some sort of repellent implication is almost always hovering somewhere nearby ("Look: another Jewish communist/atheist! See, I told you!"). How would you feel if I removed these categories from bio articles where no relevance has been demonstrated? --Rrburke^(talk) 17:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

My criterion would be: if the person's atheism, for example, is not mentioned in the body of the article, then it's not a sufficiently important aspect of what they are known for to justify adding them into the category. Of course, it's also unsourced and unverifiable. While it's obviously relevant (and verifiable) in connection with the article on Ellen Johnson, it's utterly irrelevant to the article on Seth Green.

As for the category Jewish Communists, there's currently one member, so I may just go ahead and nominate it to CFD.

Sound reasonable? --Rrburke^(talk) 20:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Renata: further to our recent discussion. --Rrburke^(talk) 14:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

GMAT

Good luck with your preparations for the GMAT (and thanks for keeping an eye on Ernest Mandel. Are you intending to apply for an MBA? Let me know if I can help. I am an alumnus who interviews MBA candidates at London Business School. --Duncan 14:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Back to the old school sounds very holistic. Don't be put off by LBS fees through: that high tuition also supports big scholarships for qualified candidates. Also, the earnings at the end are far greater than almost anywhere else, making it an excellent investment. --Duncan 19:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus

The above case is closed. A general amnesty for editors involved in Eastern Europe-related articles is extended, with the expectation that further editing will adhere to Wikipedia's policies. Future behavior problems may be addressed by the Arbitration Committee on the motion of any Arbitrator or upon acceptance of a request for inquiry by any user who edits in this area. For the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 19:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Renata hello

Andropov was Jewish, so please don't delete him from his Jewish categories. P.S. Could you exaplain me the case with Pioner/Mohel/Rabis juice? Because he took it as a hoby there to delete him from those categories. And as i understood from him writing you in the Andropov article history page ("Evil Renata 3 have u ever sniffed bleeding penis cut off by mohel?") I understand theres a war beetwen you. M.V.E.i. 18:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok i understood

P.S. You can answer here on your talk page i would come and see.

I'm not an administrator so i cant block or unblock people. So let me understand this right, he wants attention so he on purpouse makes not-good edits? But it started somehow, what was exaclly on the Lithuenian Wikipedia? About what was he arguing, what was decided by the administrators? M.V.E.i. 18:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

You see, theres no chance that a man will respect an eternal block, maybe thats why he behaves this way. Maybe he was wrongly treated or maybe he had not more fault in the fight then then the other side but only he got punished? I think it's importent to figure these out and if, if we will find out that he was mistreated we could start a dialogue with him and then reduce his block. M.V.E.i. 13:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Adygea

Hi, Renata! Seeing that you were the one who virtually forced me to re-write administrative and municipal divisions of Adygea to include more narrative :), I would very much appreciate your input here—people are arguing that since the "list" is so much like an article now, it should be de-featured altogether. Obviously, I'd love to see it retain its status... hopefully without putting even more work into it. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, who else can I blame? :) Regarding your comment, though: I think folks are not advocating to remove all the narrative from the list but rather outsource it to other places (to which links will be provided from within the list). So, if the difference between rural settlements and rural locilities puzzles you, you'd still be able to find the information you need by following the links. Anyway, I, for one, think keeping the narrative in is a good idea (a remarkable change in my position from back when you suggested more narrative in the first place, I know :)), not in a small part because there are currently no good places to outsource it to (I'd have to write a dozen new articles first, which I am planning to do eventually, but just not now). In any case, thanks for your comment! If you could keep an eye on the discussion until it closes, I'd much appreciate it. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:59, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Test of sig bot

Should probably break down and use the signature feature, in the meantime this is a test. Also, am stalled on new LT article ideas, got copyedit suggestions? And do you agree with "List of signatories to the Act of Independence of Lithuania" as a title? It's languishing kalėjimoje, awaiting your judicial decision. Novickas 11:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

The bot is bugging me again! Has anyone else complained? Novickas 16:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

...Sigh...changed the signature preference. Thanks for the info. Also, I know it's really picky, but could you please do me a favour and change "signatories of" to "signatories to"? Three ofs in one sentence is too many. Novickas 17:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Answer

I just know the feeling of being indifinetly blocked, esspecially when you belive you dont deserve it, you loose your temper really it's really a bad feeling. It happened to me to, till an honest administrator, Alex Bakharev, helped me there and reduced my block. So thats why i want to figure thess out. If he belives it wad not fair what was done to him there we could understand him and open a dialogue and maybe even reduce his block. Thats why i asked you over what and with who he was fighting there and how did the administrators behave. M.V.E.i. 20:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Playing around

Whaddya think [28]--Lokyz 23:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Sovietsky pioneer possible sock puppet of idef blocked User:Poor billionaire

Based on a bunch of edits such as [this.] Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 14:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Compliment

Great job on translating/creating/referencing Great Seimas of Vilnius in such a short time! :) The female delegates - could be a DKY hook if you're so inclined, altho more references for that would be good. Some comments on its talk page soon. Novickas 16:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC) Great job on expansion too. Novickas 16:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I would lean towards "Ban on the Lithuanian language". Strangely there aren't, as far as I can tell, any other WP articles on such bans. Maybe Irpen will write one about Ukrainian, hint hint. Hawaiian was banned too. And probably numerous others. Happy hunting! Novickas 17:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I see what you mean. Problem is all the other titles I can think of are quite wordy. "Ban on publication in the Lithuanian language". Speaking of articles - don't want to leave out the the. (Sometimes concision and clear description are in conflict). Other ideas - "Lithuanian press ban" sounds OK, except that it might be interpreted as newspapers instead of EVERYTHING. But surely, before you finish writing the article, more ideas will come. Novickas 18:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 30 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Great Seimas of Vilnius, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 17:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Why did you delete my page about Chicago rapper Pretty Dollarz?

 I want to add more to the page but it is not there anymore. Please let me know.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramb0723 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC) 

Thanks

Hello Renata3,

Thanks for cleaning up the changes made to my User Page. Much appreciated. Keep up the good work and I suppose I'll try to do the same eh? :) Pursey 06:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Another barnstar

		The Epic Barnstar
		In recognition of your work on articles related to the Old Prussians. Congratulations! Olessi 16:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikisource article Act of Independence of Lithuania

Could you please explain the copyright status of this article while being proposed for deletion?--Jusjih 12:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)(Wikipedia and Wikisource admin)

Army Groups of the National Revolutionary Army

I have converted the article to use inline citations, please take a look. -- Миборовский 03:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

List of educational institutions in Taichung

I have taken your comments seriously and have implemented them (or are in the process of implementing.) I have requested a withdrawal of the nomination while I work on the page. Please feel free to leave additional comments on the talk page while I work to bring the list to FL sniff. Thanks. ludahai 魯大海 13:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Leaving

I find your comment on Halibutt's page highly unprofessional and uncivil; please consider removing it. You yourself once 'left' and then only reluctantly came back, should we ask you for all the details of that surely not-very-nice experience? -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

There where times when I (or Halibutt) would have cared about that. -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  00:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Renata, please allow me to comment on both issues here. About "leaving". I believe in quiet leaving. I don't believe that widely-announced attention-seeking "leaves" are genuine, while they are excusable. I've seen some very respected by me editors (including you) who both "left" and left that way. Some of such leaves were genuine, most were not, but all of them were signs of a huge frustration. Committed editors who show such a huge frustration need to be left alone or with words of support. I don't like "are you still here?" stuff. Whether to leave quietly, is a matter of taste, of course, and self-discipline. Personally, when I found myself in the cross-hairs of Piotrus' extensive and meticulous months-long digging aimed at collecting the material to hit me at the opportune time, I decided for myself that I simply had it. I did not edit for about 6 weeks, I believe, but I just stopped editing, no "damn you, Piotrus, goodbye's" came from my end. I think that Halibutt should be left alone by his opponents and allowed to be consoled by messages from his fans and his friends.

As for the second issue (Fedorovych), this was explained at the article's talk and agrees with all sources. Ukrainians rose not against some "Commonwealth" or some "Polish-Lithuanians", the concept unfamiliar to them in its entirety. Justly or not, they so their oppressors as "just Poles" and they saw Unia and Catholicism that enroached on their Orthodox ways as "Polish encroachment", despite the Polish peasantry was in no better condition than the Ukrainian ones, of course. I reverted the edit per this as well as all sources used to write the article. None of them uses "Commonwealth" or "Lithuania" for that matter. --Irpen 02:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

You didn't have the balls to apologize for the unhonourable slander on your side or to present a single piece of evidence to back your absurd accusations and your lies about my behaviour. Your farewell letters were both offensive and unjust - and I bet you know it, yet you simply did not have the guts to admit it. Yet now it is you to ask me to leave without taking the liberty to explain my stance? Good going, Renata! Keep it up, that's precisely the way to go. Hope you'll find yourself in a situation similar to mine one day. //Halibutt 11:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Guys, cool it down. Pointing fingers doesn't help, period. File a DR if you want, or leave it (the issue, not the project). Further, I strongly suggest looking at talk page correspondence between two users as private: if you were not invited, don't join in - and you can be certain it will be much less likely to spill further. PS. That comment applies to all of users who commented on that on several userpages. PSS. Renata, I agree that Halibutt's occasional generalization on "Lithuanians" is unhelpful, but he has a point - several of the most active Lithuanian editors don't seem to assume any good faith when it comes to dealing with Polish editors, to say the least. I tried to address this in the past, but now I have given up - and I have no plans to restart the issue. I can only wish for more Lithuanian editors to come join the project, as I cannot believe the current selection is representative, nor that it does justice to the great Lithuanian people.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  20:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Polish editors or single Polish editor that is the question. Violation of WP:AGF or violation of Wikipedia rules (like WP:RM) is another. POV bashing or contributions is a third. Generalization or research - that means specific, but by no means selective details is fourth.Knowing the subject or googling on occasion is fifth. And please WP:AGF - I'm not trying to insult anyone, I'm not pointing a finger at anyone, I'm not using metaphors - I'm just asking direct questions.--Lokyz 20:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, where did I join in without invitation and atagonized the discutants? My apologies for any diff that indicate that happened.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  20:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Right above Piotrus. Just look one message up by you dated 20:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC). Real strange twist. --Irpen 20:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

And speaking more of joyful (and uninvited) comments by the same editor, this time celebrating another editor's forced leave at the third user's talk page.[29] --Irpen 17:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations

I see one of the wheeled Willies played with your page. Just think what were the chances that out of millions of wp pages he would end up at yours and rejoice! --Irpen 20:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The account was already blocked, so it should be all cleaned-up now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 20:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, I just wanted to point out how minuscule are the chances of an individual userpage to be attended by the Willies. I had my page vandalized by trolls, penis-vandals or content opponents but never had an honor to be visited by the Willies. Renata kind of hit the jackpot. With such luck, she should try a short trip to Vegas. --Irpen 21:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Nah, I still think that this is better: you know, personalized ;) Renata 21:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 10 September, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lithuanian Chronicles, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- M.K. 11:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

HoG

Hello, as I noted on article, maybe it is time for this article to be nominated for FAC? M.K. 11:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

And Great Seimas for GA? Novickas 14:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

As for some reason you are not answering to the question above, I made a decisive actions and nominated this article. I hope you will have time to answer questions (if any will be presented). Take care, M.K. 21:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:LITH welcome

Just out of recent curiosity into templates and various boxes I modified old Lithuania Portal welcome message User:Lokyz/sandbox/test. Maybe you'll be interested to take a look, and improve it. We could use it as WP:LITH welcome message.--Lokyz 16:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Polish minority in Lithuania

Could you take a look at the recent changes? It seems we are revert warring over some style and grammar issue, for all things... I dislike being called a vandal, but I also dislike editors enforcing poor English "plundered organizations..." etc. Could you merge the two versions, endorse one, or something - I would hope your edit would end this sad bickering.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  00:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Tautiška giesmė again

I decide to expand on the article, added some sources again. I just need that 1999 law translated. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 02:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Article: (relatively, as always) done editing

Comments? Novickas 01:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Prussian Crusade

I added Prussian Crusade; please expand with your sources if you are interested. Cheers, Olessi 23:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Bitwa pod Orszą-MNW.jpg

WOW! Please provide source of this fine reproduction! A.J. 10:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Ensete picture

I noticed that you thoughtfully added a picture to Ensete. Unfortunately, it seems that the image name was accidentally misspelled when uploaded: "Image:Esente superbum.jpg" (link: File:Esente superbum.jpg). I requested a move, but I guess copyright issues requre that you reload the image to make a correction. Just thought you'd want to know. ENeville 21:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Prussian people

You might be interested in this CFD. Olessi 21:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Tautiška giesmė GA

I found out this morning that Tautiška giesmė passed Good Article today. I was told to find out more about the Soviet-era anthem and it could be FA ready. Your thoughts? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 18:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Once again, Bloomfield

We are once again cleaning up Bloomfield's messes, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Principality of Estland and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sackalia (some others fixed w/o AfD) - but also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Narova. You have most expirience with Bloomfield's socks, could User:Olgerd be his sock as well? -- Sander Säde 08:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

THIS IS THE LIFE

Hello Renata, I am a newer user to Wikipedia but I have contributed several strong pages regarding the Los Angeles underground hip hop movement. There is a major film that has been made about this music collective called THIS IS THE LIFE. I researched and wrote a page about it that you deleted as spam. Perhaps it was so well written that you thought it was a press release or something? LOL. I just can't imagine why it was deleted as spam. I took a lot of time with it. Can you pls revisit this deletion? And if it is still not to your liking, please tell me what I can do to fix it properly? Thank you kindly, MarieMaye —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariemaye (talk • contribs) 18:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[/ THIS IS THE LIFE] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariemaye (talk • contribs) 18:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Lithuanian press ban, was selected for DYK!

On November 3, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lithuanian press ban, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 18:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Pongwiffy

Could I ask why you choose to delete the above article? Many thanks. DWJE 216 13:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Military history Baltic states task force

please take a look at this Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Baltic_states_task_force --Termer 18:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Philomathes

I have created an article on them. I've noticed that lt wiki has an impressive article at lt:Filomatai - perhaps you'd like to translate some of it to expand the article on en wiki? -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 20:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Featured List of the Day Experiment

There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 17:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Trainmoney = Bloomfield?

Hi Renata, do you think Trainmoney could be a Bloomfield sock? His latest contributions seem to be restoring Bloomfields old creations. Martintg (talk) 19:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Klaipeda Airport

Dear Renata, last year you had kindly "baptized" me into Wikipedia. I beg for your kind review/interference in the Klaipeda Airport creation/ranking. The topic is bordering on low-importance edge if not for confusion brought in by IATA. Thank you. Ttk371 (talk) 16:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Great Seimas of Vilnius GA pass

Hi there! Nice work on Great Seimas of Vilnius, I've just passed it as a Good article. I also left a couple of comments at the Talk page; you may read them here if you like. Congratulations, to you and everyone who helped with the article. Best wishes, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 17:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Józef Piłsudski

I would very much appreciate your opinion, from Lithuanian perspective, on whether this article is neutral. This question has been raised at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Józef Piłsudski. -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Baltic_states#Rename

Hi Renata,

there is some dicussion about a possible rename. Your opinion is most welcomed. Martintg (talk) 04:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Blood electrification

Blood electrification Oldspammer (talk) 14:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Greetings

Laimingų naujųjų metų! Glad you're back. Novickas (talk) 14:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Pascual Ortiz Rubio.jpg

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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot (talk) 18:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Heart attack

Gotcha, eh? :) But seriously, isn't it sad that we now assume the worst when the person does no longer seem to be around, and, sadder enough, "the worst" more often than not turns out to be the reason for leaving?

Anyway, as for me, I will never leave (you can quote me on that). I truly hope you can say the same.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Tax protester/Request for comment redirect

I restored the redirect, as the links are required for thw RFC process. Please do not redelete without first causing the incoming links to be fixed. I don't have AWB here because my IE is broken, or I'd just fix it myself. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Now handled by a bot. Please disregard in terms of actions on this redirect, but R2 speedies should usually be "followed" before deletion. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:36, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Britannica-watch

Hello there. I've spent less than two weeks in Vilnius, and that was over two years ago, but that experience was so happy that I was most interested by what you write on your user page. Since I sometime long for the authority of the EB, a reference source that doesn't always get things right but at least is safe from vandals and twits, I feel like sticking up for them. Furthermore, I'm tired of editing Wikipedia and it's a novelty to edit EB instead. So here goes.

• 1. A settlement existed on the site in the 10th century NB this doesn't say no settlement existed there before the 10th century.
• 4. EB's use of the word "dominate" is a stretch; but I think that the word is often used in this poetic (poetastic?) way to mean something like "be looked down on by", and if so then this isn't actually wrong. (See this standard tourist photo.) And then you have a question of the definition of Vilnius: strictly, no, it doesn't include Užupis (etc); but in a way it does, and thus it's hilly, no? (But yes, basically you're right.)
• 5. The cathedral dates originally from 1387... Doesn't this depend on what's meant by "the cathedral"? Perhaps better: "The cathedral that we see now..."
• 6. The only neighborhood with rectangular street plan is Žvėrynas and it can hardly be called "newer." Even if "newer" just means "newer than Vilniaus senamiestis"?

So I think you've been a bit harsh. Still, a lot of your shots hit home and EB should fix the problems fast.

Ah, you've made me want to spend another happy half hour gazing at this excellent book. -- Hoary (talk) 16:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Also it looks like the copy that was uploaded was pre-1990. I suspect EB is so vast that it is not subject to regular updates; it is updated more often in print but I suspect they are not as assiduous at editing as you expect them to be. Nevertheless, well done for highlighting how print media - including Wikipedia - are often at odds with the facts as people know them to be. Please don't stop highlighting these discrepancies, it is a job which I have become expert at and have in the past assisted public figures to clarify/update/edit their own Wiki articles - it is one of the pitfalls we run into because print media and other sources are often taken to be concrete fact whereas a lot can depend on the knowledge of the original author, political sensitivities and even typos in books. Good luck in your research :). Lstanley1979 (talk) 18:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Template:Nazi Germany occupations

Dear Renata: Thank you for the creation of the {{Nazi Germany occupations}} template. You have done an excellent job that will help navigation for an important part of the history of the Second World War. IZAK (talk) 13:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Person of the year

I don't see any Lithuanian women listed as person of the year. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

That's kinda of misleading. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Maps

Hi. Nothing is wrong with maps thay are good but I don't think it is good idea to place them instead images. Maybe it is possible to place these maps behind the infobox or in other place but photo should be main picture. We must show nice our rivers not borring maps for readers :) Of course it's my opinion and if other users will say that maps is better when I will not opposite. Regards, Hugo.arg (talk) 10:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Isara

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Act of the Re-Establishment of the State of Lithuania DYK

On 21 February, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Act of the Re-Establishment of the State of Lithuania, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 15:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the fix to the Baltic tribes map is fine

Renata3, the fix to the Baltic tribes map is fine with me. From what little information I saw this morning when I researched it on the web, yes, the Curonians were a West Baltic tribe and should have been colored green. Thanks, MapMaster (talk) 14:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Prussian clans 13th century.png

@ Renata, the main mouth of river Vistula is very young.

Furthermore the local name of Pruszcz is seen as a hint, that Old Prussinas lived in the whole delta region, probably mixed with slavic people, as the left side of lower Vistula is undoubtedly old Pomerania, i.e. Slavic coastal region. Yours' sincerely, Ulamm (talk) 19:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

@ Renata, I have found a mistaken name in the map: South of the coloured ares you have written "Masuria". That is wrong:

• Mazuy/Masuren is inside the former Prusai area. It was settled by Mazovians in 15th and 16th century, after the original population had been killed or settled elsewhere by the Teutonic Order.
• Where you have written Masuria, there is Mazovia/Mazowsze/Masowien. Yours' sincerely, Ulamm (talk) 09:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Civil war in Lithuania (1700)

I am not sure if the name of the article, which I just translated from pl wiki, is most appropriate. What do you think? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 05:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

From my readings it appears there was a little more to it, through indeed not that much in term of military activity (zajazdy, etc.). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 04:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I believe both articles are notable; on pl wiki the battle has a separate article.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Warmia

Hello Renata! Last year you had redirected "Persecution of Poles in Warmia" to Nazi crimes against ethnic Poles. Molobo has since readded it to Warmia. Olessi (talk) 03:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK: 1926 Lithuanian coup d'état

On 29 February, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 1926 Lithuanian coup d'état, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

(on MainPage with a picture of Kazys Grinius). --PFHLai (talk) 09:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Renata, heh, you caught me on an unusually leisurely Saturday morning. Couple of comments. GA reviewers would probably like to see more EN references; here's one [30] . Also "The new government lifted...", could you specify that government some more? Probably more q's soon, on article talk, but will begin ce now. Best, Novickas (talk) 14:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Military cout

Drumhead court-martial would be the closest equivalent, I think (although it has some connotations that may or may not be relevant to the original). Kirill 18:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppety goodness

Many thanks for your help; I'll let you know if/when he is back. Experience is apparently that he surely will be. Tb (talk) 16:03, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Diffs I was collecting

In case it's later needed, I collected some diffs in order to make a report on the user you blocked. Thanks for taking care of him so quickly.

I commend to your attention this gem, and:

Decategorizing LGBT people and oganizations, possibly WP:VAND: [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37], [38], [39], [40], [41], & [42]

WP:NPA: [43], [44]

Judging from his first edit, he's been around here a while. His editing style sounds familiar, but I can't specify it. --SSBohio 00:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

You are invited!

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Britannica.

Hello, thank goodness I found you (thank goodness for google :P). I needed someone with access to the online Britannica encyclopedia, to see if the Tsar Cannon article there says anything about it being the largest howitzer. Think you could help (it's for the cannon article, which we're trying to improve to FA quality)? Thanks, · AndonicO ^Hail! 20:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that's disappointing; I guess I should have expected that though. :/ Well, I guess I'll have to keep hunting for a source, else have to remove the claim... Thanks anyway. :) · AndonicO ^Hail! 00:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Anon recategorizer seems to be back

Not on a big scale yet, but... Special:Contributions/87.74.16.171 seems to be him. Note the comment on the change to User:Tvarkytojas. Tb (talk) 18:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

A star for you

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		Wow. That looks like it took some time; I really think that I would have had to take it to Word or something—I also really think that you deserve this barnstar for it. :) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  03:26 9 March, 2008 (UTC)

Still, it took about 1% or 2% of the time it would have taken me. :) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  03:44 9 March, 2008 (UTC)

Re:Coins

Hmm. Ok, stay tuned for progress, M.K. (talk) 19:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

But those look too ugly. Compare, M.K. (talk) 20:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

What exactly you have in mind? Photos? M.K. (talk) 17:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Did you try looking some pic in Bank of Lithuania museum? M.K. (talk) 17:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Request for translation

I am looking for a Lithuanian speaker to translate a part of a Lithuanian article into English or Polish; it is relevant to a RfC discussion on English Wikipedia. See my request on Polish Wikipedia here. Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Dmochowski's Laboratory

Renata, I appreciate your helping pursue my query. It did occur to me that the 1932 Wilno [sic] content might be better directed to Polish history editors, and I'll follow up that way. Actually I don't (yet) have more details on the institution, but expect to find more resources over time that will shed light on the various streams in Jewish secular education there in the 1920s and '30s. Thanks for your support! -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 23:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

NORTH OR EAST

Hi Renata, I'm fresh to Wikipedia, but my edits are far from being wrong. I tried to contact you earlier, but I couldn't find any private messaging system on the site. It is a disputable subject whether Lithuania is a part of eastern or northern Europe. The source you provided (UN Clasification) is not the only and final verdict on the subject. For example, according to the CIA Factbook, it belongs to Eastern Europe -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Europe_colour_coded.svg My edit allowed different viewpoints on the subject, as it is a very disputable manner, and should not be described in such a cathergorical manner as in your entry. In fact, I am quite sure, that most of the world perceive Lithuania as located in Eastern, not northern Europe. This is why I propose a change in article, which provides the information that doesn't sound so final! Regards Kubster —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kubster (talk • contribs) 20:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Paper Clips

How callous that you would delete this information. Did you possibly think that someone would make up all of these names and the years they worked on this YEARS. There is a source and I will find it. OneMarkus (talk) 07:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Polish ultimatum to Lithuania 1936

That redirect can be deleted, I presume (wrong 1936 date)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for help on my page, M.K. (talk) 13:54, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Personall attacks

That's wasn't personall attack, because M.K has ever learnt Polish history, and you regulary write hoaxs about polish history. And I have Piotrus on one's good side. So if this sytuation to be contiuned I will this matter carry in an Arbitration Comitee. Regards. Alden or talk with Alden 14:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry

Hello. I'm sorry. I was nervous.. I be blue in the face. Really I'm sorry, serio..So please block me on two days, because I earn on penalty. Alden or talk with Alden 15:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of acquisitions made by Google

I have responded to your comments at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of acquisitions made by Google. Please respond. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 04:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

1927 Polish-Lithuanian crisis

Nice job with the 1938 one; I wonder if the 1927 events deserve a separate article or should we just craft a para and add it to several related articles? Sources for start: [45], [46], [47], [48]. PS. Cite templates are too cumbersome and I refuse to use them until they are made easy to use, sorry :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Timeline of World War II (1939)

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1346

I'm working on it at User:Wrad/Sandbox2. There's an awful lot of stuff on that year out there. Wrad (talk) 16:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Takes Manhattan postponed to Friday April 4th

All other details remain the same. Thanks.--Pharos (talk) 18:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Ultimatum articles (e.g. 1938 Polish ultimatum to Lithuania)

Very impressive - I learned a lot: affected Wall Street, for example. (Did you look up old New York Times in the library?) Thanks! Novickas (talk) 14:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Possible Problems

Category related [49], seems the same editing style. M.K. (talk) 15:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Map

Nice work, it does look cleaner; I guess the legend was making it a bit cluttered. You're welcome for the font help, and I'm certainly not qualified to give anyone a lesson on layers :) Best wishes (and feel free to let me know whenever you need a hand), Fvasconcellos (t·c) 00:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Concordat of 1925

I added some comments on the talk page of the article. I basically feel, that the Lithunaian-Polish-Vatican problems did not originate or even culminate with the concordat and that therefore such emphasis should be discussed. looking forward --Ambrosius007 (talk) 11:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Soviet–Lithuanian Non-Aggression Pact

Can you use some inline citations for the article? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 23:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:A break?

I would love to, but I have to keep some trolls in check. Honestly, if not for them, I would have very little reason to write articles on certain issues.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 04:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

If you name those "trolls", I even could try to help solving problems with them. M.K. (talk) 08:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Seems like a very nice job, although I'd have to compare it to maps I don't have atm for any more meaningful reply. User:Halibutt is/was our map expert on that region, you may want to ask him about that, too.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Map

I have no reason at this moment to disbelieve accuracy of Vaga (2001) atlas, therefore just a technical suggestions - change colors of the map :) It is hard to follow text on the certain colors as well; even using quite big px, it seems that map mingles into one big color X. Perhaps map needs additional cropping from the bottom. Baltic sea, should be written as such in the map,as it may look to unfamiliar with the region person as some sort unnamed "state". M.K. (talk) 08:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

well I would love to, however I have lack of free time :( Perhaps will take a look in upcoming weeks. M.K. (talk) 08:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Ran across yours when posting in M.K's talk. I would consider highlighting Latgale, but that's neither here nor there. I do think you need a lot more differentiation in the colors (non-pastels and potentially hashed shading if needed). Great job on the content. —PētersV (talk) 13:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Definitely more readable. I'd still try and go for more colors for more separation. I know it can get a bit garish, but it's a map, not interior decoration! More importantly, I don't know if you have the facility to do so (haven't played with the program you're using), but I think it would be very helpful if the Polish territory could be hashed (overlay partially translucent white diagonal hashing?) so it would be immediately clear what happened outside of Poland's borders. That should be intuitively clear. —PētersV (talk) 16:13, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Notes: the legend needs updating; also see my comments regarding Polish-Lithuanian borders here.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll see what I have on the Polish assistance of the anti-Bolshevik campaign as it pertains to Latgale. My thought there was, what was the furthest (stable) boundary of Poland-Lithuania? (Prior to first partition?) Certainly the Poles' reticence to evacuate Latgale had to partly take its justification from the historical extent of Polish rule.

   I appreciate your desire to have an a-political map. But the non-existence of Poland for 123 years (talk about patience!) I think needs to be dealt with somehow. I believe there needs to be some representation of "Poland." I don't think it's unreasonable to show the Polish border prior to the first partition of 1792 for some historical perspective. And/or to show the boundaries of areas in which Poles formed the majority at the turn of the 20th century (I might have something there). Otherwise I feel like we're missing some basic context, but that could just be me. —PētersV (talk) 17:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Just a couple of words about other forces operating in Latvia: first, on May 22 Baltische Landeswehr seized Riga from the Bolsheviks and in the beginning of June Estonian units reached Jekabpils actually meeting the Poles nearby while on patrol. Maybe these events can be somehow sketched on the map to add some perspective showing how the Bolsheviks were squeezed out from the Baltics, if you think they're notable enough here. Oth (talk) 20:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Point taken on map being complicated enough... you might want to lighten all the colors a bit. To your question, I do have some information in Latvian... Poles promised to send 2 infantry and 1 cavalry division (20,000 men), commander of the Polish division was General Smiglijs-Ridzas (transliterated/Latvianized). Perhaps this is enough for some folks to search Polish sources? And there's some detail on the order of confrontation/battle with the Bolsheviks around Daugavpils. Hate to entice you and then not be able to translate for the moment! —PētersV (talk) 02:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Alas, I don't have maps about the Estonian offensive in Latvia and I am not aware if there are any in Estonian literature (probably are, though). I can only give a list of locations and dates for a general picture: 24 May Smiltene, 25 May Valmiera by 3rd division and May 28 Aluksne, May 30 Gulbene, June 2 Laudona, June 5 Jekabpils by 2nd division. All Bolshevik forces retreated towards Russia to avoid being surrounded. Maybe that is enough, you probably just want to add 2-3 small arrows to the map. And maybe our Latvian editors have better information. Oth (talk) 11:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

You've done a very good job on the map I must say! Only the white arrows are a bit too dominant right now as the map is primarily about Poland/Lithuania and I would somehow differentiate Landeswehr and Estonian troops. I have also some reservations about calling these Latvian attacks: a) there were not many Latvian units involved in the Estonian Army offensive (2 Latvian and 8 Estonian regiments); b) Landeswehr at the time was an enemy to the Ulmanis' government and shortly aftewards (in June 1919) a conflict between Landeswehr and Estonia, who supported Ulmanis, broke out. Oth (talk) 13:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

What events do the arrows pointing from Latvia towards east (Daugavpils etc) designate? Oth (talk) 13:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Map Scans

I've e-mailed the maps to you, mind that my e-mail dosen't mach my username (and I forgot to sign the letter as Xil, oh well the subject indicates what it is anyway). If you have any questions ask on my talk page, don't send me e-mail - I check my e-mails very rarely ~~Xil * 18:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I checked my Latvju Enciklopedia for maps, there were only three tiny thumbnails of operations in specific places on specific days, nothing useful. :-( PētersV (talk) 03:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

There dosen't seem to be any Latvian attacks in Piltene direction and from Jēkabpils further in Latgale (altough there is some activity markeed around Daugaupils). The first map looks fine. The legends you've written seem to be a bit wrong, but as long as you don't put them in map, I won't worry about it as I don't exactly know at which point which army is of what nationality (given that the war was fought between Latvians aided by variety of other forces vs, Latvians aided by Russians vs, Germans aiding Latvians at first and later being aided by Bermontians, who technicaly were Russians). The Atlas is Latvijas Vēstures atlants Rīga 2001 Zvaigzne ABC ISBN 9984-17-669-X, the maps showing directions and other details are from "Latvijas Enciklopēdija" (I sējums) Rīga 2002 SIA "Valērija Belokoņa izdevniecība" ISBN 9984-9482-1-8 ~~Xil * 17:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Lithuania location map

Hi - I noticed this question. These location map templates are used by Template:Location map to create composite images of the base map with a (labeled) locater dot, usually indicating the position of a city. How it works is the base image and the latitude and longitude of the top, bottom, left, and right edges of this image are specified in the place-specific location map template (e.g. Template:Location map Lithuania), and then when Template:Location map is used it is provided with the latitude and longitude of a place (and generates HTML using fancy CSS stuff to create the appropriate composite image, using the longitude and latitude numbers for the place and the edges of the map). So, when replacing an image you also have to change the top/bottom/right/left latitude and longitude numbers to match the new image (and the image has to be an equirectangular projection - i.e. if you draw the latitude and longitude lines on the map they're straight horizontal and vertical lines, in particular the longitude lines are not curved).

I'm not sure it matters, but the replacement image you want to use is kind of large (4MB). I think an svg version of this would be way smaller. You might ask User:Obersachse about this. He was the original creator of Template:Location map Lithuania. Another possibility is asking whether the map size matters at Template talk:Location map. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

In case you are interested

One such discussion started at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#CSD G6 clause "cleaning up redirects". I've also proposed that anyone who wants to expand the current criteria for speedy deletion of redirects do so over there. Carcharoth (talk) 10:29, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Policing other users talk page contents

Renata, I commented that I found Irpen's edits unproductive, supporting the opening and rehashing of old issues long since discussed and settled, and running counter to his other (recent) more productive and conciliatory edits, which I have commented I welcomed. I prefer to leave my comments on user pages where they are public. I have nothing to hide. If Irpen wishes to remove my comments, it is his talk page and his prerogative. It is not yours. Do not mistake my expression of disappointment as a "personal attack" on Irpen. You are not party to our editing history going back to before your involvement. Respectfully, PētersV (talk) 00:29, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S. The issue of republic or not and what was occupied by whom was argued and settled a long time ago. Dojarca opened up the issue, and Irpen (who has a history of supporting Dojarca's edits) took up the mantle of something that was a completely closed issue that Irpen is completely aware of as he was there for the discussion the first time. —PētersV (talk) 00:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, well, I'll just invoke a dose of amnesia regarding prior discussions to relieve myself of editorial baggage. Let's see what happens. —PētersV (talk) 01:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi and request

Hi Renata, hope you're enjoying the long-awaited pavasaris. Turned out to be an American spring after all - cold, cold, staiga 80 degrees. So I added the GA, but do you have any advice on how to rearrange my userboxes? They look messy. Best, Novickas (talk) 19:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC) Much better, thanks, also thanks for reviewing oil shale, hope to address yr comments soon. Novickas (talk) 19:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Suwałki region

I think I finally understand your argument: that Suvalkai Region (Suwałki Region) is a small part of Sudovia/Suwalszczyzna, limited to the city of Suwałki (while the larger regions has several other major towns and cities, such as Augustów, Sejny and Mariampole), right? If this is the case, I can understand why the merger may not be preferable; however: 1) references need to be provided to show that a term, Suvalkai Region, is indeed used and has a relatively well defined area smaller' than Sudovia (from what I read it appears that at least some sources use Suwalkai/Suwałki Region interchangingly with Sudovia/Suwalszczyzna) and 2) as currently written, Suvalkai Region makes no such assertion other then in the lead; the everything but one sentence is a poor version of the history of the Sudovia. I have expanded Sudovia and it has all information that exist in the Suvalkai Region; the article would honestly look better if we had removed all but the first one or two sentences of lead - it would be less confusing then. Still, it needs to be demonstrated that it is a notable, separate entity (there are regions around each major town and such, it does not mean that they are all notable). PS. I think it is also clear that if (and that's a big IF) Suvalkai Region is notable, it should be moved to the much more popular name, Suwałki Region (or is this again something different...?). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Didn't some Lithuanian claims concern the entire Sudovia region?

Suwalki triangle is more used than Suvalkai region (and Suvalkai triangle, or course). But are we sure this is the exactly same region? And Suwalki region is more popular...

Overall, I think your move and redirect options have merit (we can always have disambig notes that x redirects here, for y look there). But can we find at least one definiton for every of those terms? Plus isn't there really a good name to describe Suvalkija + Suwalszczyzna, and are we sure the English sources refer to them as either Polish or Lithuanian with those names? I'd still be temted to keep the current Sudovia (under Suwalki region name), redirect suwalszczyzna and suvalkija to it, and - if proper refs are created - move a small and rewritten part of the suvalkai region to suwalki triangle (or suwalki region). Sigh, this is still confusing. We really really need refs with definitions. PS. Yes, there are almost no hits for Sudovia+(1918-1922). Also, to be fair, Suwalszczyzna does not appear to be often used in English sources.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Further, the split of Suvalkija/Suwalszczyzna is not supported by Łossowski (Konflikt...) who writes (p.138) in the chapter "Fight over southern Suwalszczyzna. Situation in Wilno. September 1920." subchapter "Lithuanian efforts to keep Suwałki, Sejny and Augustów": "Lithuanians considered southern Suwalszczyzna part of their new state [...] A minister has declared that Suwałki Region (okręg) has been incorporated into the Lithuanian state [...]". Now, I'd assume that for the Lithuanians then Suvalkija meant Suwalszczyzna as well (Poles, on the other hand, did not want the northern Suwalszczyzna - but Polish sources seem to refer to the entire region as Suwalszczyzna, distinguishing between Southern and Northern). So again, it seems to me that (just as interwiki suggest) Suvalkija = Suwalszczyzna. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Łossowski makes it clear Lithuanians claimed the entire region - all of the Suwałki governorate - during the P-L conflict in 1918-1920 (they later made some concessions, but their initial demands were for all of it, up to Augustów and Suwałki, which had a clear Polish majority).

As I said, I still think that we can deal with all of it in one article (probably named Suwałki Region). We can have a heading on Suwałki triangle and discuss this most problematic region there (although according to Łossowski, the most problematic region should be called the Sejny region, as it was Sejny more then Suwałki region that caused most trouble). We can discuss the various names, how, by whom and when they were used and so on in different sections of the article. If a section grows large, we can split it. I agree with you that those terms and regions are very poorly define, but it is not our job to do OR and try to define them, certainly not as a separate articles.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

PS. I expanded Suwałki Governorate a little, and added the seats of the counties, but the two beginning with W seem to be little known villages - I cannot determine their Lithuanian (presumably) name. If you could correct this, it would be great (I am sure somebody will accuse me of polonization or such if they remain as they are...).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd try to avoid Polish Suwalszczyzna and Lithuanian Suvalkai, to keep down certain editors who may scream murder/polonization/lithuanization. I think either Suwalki Region (even without the diacritic) or the Sudovia are preferable.

We can certainly add Lithuanian ethnographic regions template to it; I have no problem with accepting that Suwalszczyzna is seen by Lithuanians in that way.

I think we can discuss different names and their usage in the separate names section, and the region really has common borders/history/geography etc. PS. Further, there are logical inconsistencies: yes, Lithuanians formed majority of the Suwalki governorate, but not in the southern part which includes the Suwalki city, which was mostly Polish.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps I am confused, but are you suggesting redirecting Suvalkija to Sudovians? Why not redirect it to Suwałki Region, which is where we should move the current Sudovia article too (with Sudovia being redirected to Sudovians)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC) PS. If you have a high res map of Suwalki Governorate, can you upload it to Wiki? We are missing most of the maps of those entities and this makes it really confusing to deal with them.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I am afraid as I explained above I see no reason for the article on (current) Polish region to be separated from the (current) Lithuanian region. They share most of the history, and the differences can be summed up in a para or two (region in modern Lithuania/Poland). Why not merge it, rewrite it and we will see if any headings need to be split off. Image - try to upload it as a zipped file to a file hosting service, rapidshare or such. PS. I got the @ with the image, thanks.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Another thought: have you seen a map (or a source), even in Lithuanian, that would clearly differentiate between Suvalkai Region and Suwalszczyzna (or whatever the appopriate names of those two concepts are, I am sure you know what I mean)?--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 02:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the maps, they certainly clarify the issue. I wasn't able to find any Polish map of "Suwalszczyzna" other then the one already in article (without clearly defined borders). I totally agree w/ regards to total mess in naming. Due to scarsity of sources and refs, I still think one article is preferable. We can have a heading about Suvalkija, The Ethnoographical Region of Lithuania, where we can discuss that it's the northern part and hopefully include a map showing the border (it would be interesting, however, to see if there are interwar maps of this, as it is possible the modern definition of Suvalkija is not the same as used in the interwar period). Again, I will not object to splitting Suvalkija once the section grows large enough (beyond stub and with refs) to justify a separate existence.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The draft - WOW. Novickas (talk) 02:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC) How about this ref - [50] Novickas (talk) 02:18, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Renata3/suvalkija looks very good; glad to see the AfD had a positive effect :) I am not suprised we need to throw the entire old content out and create a new article from scratch, though :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 04:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

By forever you meant one day??? Well as it happens I have some photos of Rumsiskes, could scan and upload, or maybe email to you and you could put them on Commons. Novickas (talk) 16:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Are we ready to do something in the mainspace? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Reservoirs

In the US artificial lakes are called reservoirs by default, although if they are big enough and are used for recreational purposes, they often end up being called "Lake Pork Barrel" or whatever, see "Category:Reservoirs in the United States".

In the case of the two you mentioned, reservoir seems at a glance most used in EN: Kaunas Reservoir here [51] and here [52]. Elektrenai Reservoir here [53] and here [54]

Hope this helps. Novickas (talk) 12:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Categorizing glacial lakes, not one of my strong points, did it a long time ago. They have an astonishing, to me delightful, but probably WP-contentious, variety of names. Will do some research. Novickas (talk) 22:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, not a huge priority, after looking at Lakes of Lithuania - IMO a pretty good article, the reader gets the general picture. Curiosity somewhat piqued, but can wait. Novickas (talk) 22:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, List of lakes in Lithuania was a fun litle project, couple comments/requests. "With all baights"? Could you maybe bring the Elektrėnai Reservoir picture over from Vikipedia? Also, the phrase the phrase "when the local residents decided to dig a hole" made me laugh, pleasant memories of childhood, when we often decided to do this. Sometimes there would be half a dozen other kids from the neighborhood participating in the project. But maybe it should be rephrased to sound more purposeful. Novickas (talk) 16:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, rather. I wish my Lithuanian were that good :( Novickas (talk) 16:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Following the principle that compliments are more effective when specific: your latest article - the English is as good as that of most US college graduates. Your organization, content, and use of references have always been outstanding. If my work on them sometimes looks like slash-and-burn, that's because it's part of my RL job. But don't improve too much more! or you will deprive me of a favorite WP pastime. Novickas (talk) 20:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

French commune navigational boxes

Why do the spaces make any difference? They work just fine as they are. Ksnow (talk) 00:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)Ksnow

Vilnius letter

This article has been nominated for AfD. Feel free to weigh in with your comments. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 01:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Wigund

A translation from Polish sources? Needs copyediting, and you did more work on this period than I (he is also not Polish, but Lithuanian/Ruthenian?).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 03:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Im doing some work on a Kosovo article. I found this source but i can't read Lithuanian and i noticed that you can. I was wondering if you would please translate it for me into English as i may need this source for the article im working on? [55]

Thanks Ijanderson977 (talk) 16:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, thats been very helpful Ijanderson977 (talk) 17:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

ethnographic Lithuania

While you are working on the region, perhaps you could stub this topic? Łossowski, for example, devotes an entire chapter to the discussion of this concept; I am however afraid that if I were to create it and base solely on his (Polish) perspective, it may not be seen as constructive by some editors.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:28, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Lukiskiu aiskte

Laba, ispudingas straipsnis (ir nuotrauka!). Ar galetum pasidalinti saltiniais? Noriu atnaujinti angliska straipsnio versija. Renata3 06:03, 2008 balandžio 22 (EEST)

Labas, turi omenyje pasidalinti nuotraukomis? jei taip - tai be abejo; dalinuosi. jei ne - tuomet apie kokius šaltinius kalbi? jei teksto, tai tekstas sumestas remiantis šiais šaltiniais: ruošiamos spaudai Vytauto Jogėlos, Elmanto Meilaus ir Virgilijaus Pugačiausko knygos rankraščiu Lukiškės: nuo priemiesčio iki centro ir Evaldo Zilinsko Lukiškių aikštės 2004 m. urbanistinių ir paveldosauginių tyrimų moksline ataskaita bei Kęstučio Katalyno 1992 ir 2004 m. Lukiškių aikštės žvalgomųjų archeologinių tyrimų ataskaitomis, 1992 m. Indrės Baliulytės šios aikštės istoriniais tyrimais ir Vidmanto Vaitiekūno 2004 m. atliktų šios aikštės žvalgomųjų inžinerinių geologinių tyrimų išvadomis. Jei norėtum visos apžvalgos - galiu atsiųsti. figuura 22/49 08/04/24 (BST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.162.158 (talk) 21:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

New LT Universities template

Could you please review Template:Universities in Lithuania, and fix if it is needed. Thank you in advance.--Lokyz (talk) 18:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Suwałki Agreement

Please: this is a very short and simply written treaty (barely two pages). You can quickly read it and if you find anything that indicates the Vilnius was ceded, please, show it to me. This errors seems to have originated with, ummm, what's the better word... untruth of Lithuanian propaganda in the interwar period and indeed, some English language publications, which do not go into any detail and do not quote their sources, repeat this claim. Łossowski goes into details and shows it was false, and again - this is a simple treaty which does not sais anything about Vilnius. I could accept Novickas version, if we add a note that the "Vilnius was ceded" version is erroneus (per Łossowski, if you want to cite the rationale for the claim, but again - please read the treaty). PS. Please note this was discussed on talk some time ago, so my reverts are not unexplained.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 03:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Nazi Party

Hi. Just thought I'd mention, the talk page still needs to be moved over to the new title. Narson (talk) 09:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Governorate template

Well, I still have this infobox on my to-do list, although it is not a priority. If {{Infobox Former Subdivision}} is working out for now, that's great, but I suspect that down the road it will no longer be sufficient as there are going to be some very particular specifics that generic infobox would be unable to handle. In any case, if you have any ideas, drop me a line. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Tag Cleanup reply

Hi, Renata - responding to your message here, but I'll put it on my talk page, too. The page with a listing of the backlog of POV tags needing attention is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:NPOV_disputes Midway down the top paragraph is a link to the cleanup page with more thoughts and guidance on what is needed. For myself, I've been more than a little bugged by some who tag articles for the wrong reasons or petulance - "I disagree or the topic is unpleasant, so I'll just tag it." Anyway, I've been doing it, I hope, sentitively. Many pages I've encountered have editors asking on the discussion page, "Does anybody know anything about a POV dispute?, what's that tag about?" meaning it wasn't the editors of the page who put it to begin with, and they have no knowlege of any issues. Well, a bit of a rant, maybe. I've been finding the service of cleanup is much needed - many tags are long forgotten, but people either won't or don't know how to remove them. Thanks Jjdon (talk) 16:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Renata, I remember that article, and it's one I thought carefully about. The point is, as is said on the POV dispute page, that people will simply put them back if they have cause. The real thing is that often the old tags were placed for reasons that don't mean anything anymore. New tags = new reasons. Often there is no apparent reason why they were added at all. And there are quite a few articles that I left the tags alone, or commented to editors that they might remove them, as they seemed to have consensus. The whole point is consensus, and much of tag cleanup is drive-by - "I don't like it, so I'll tag it." That's not editing, that's graffiti. As for your desire to retag the Prussians - you'll get no argument from me. I'm not the tag police, just the cleanup crew, though in my messages I'm trying to get folks to pay attention to why tags are there, too.Jjdon (talk) 18:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll add something more about this, too. In the beginning of my starting this effort, some of the tags were from 2006. As I'm progressing into more recent times, it's not always so easy to do. I leave more and more of them alone as I get more current, even though I often think the reasoning is pedantic at best - but that's just me.Jjdon (talk) 19:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Re Klaipėda Geothermal Demonstration Plant

Thanks for the link - could you check what I added there?

Re "was" - I thought about that; it was the first such in the Baltic Region at the time, but there may be other ones out there now; can't tell without a fair amount of research. So the best thing seemed to be to use the past tense. And if it closed - if you could clarify that there? - then it would have to be in the past tense. Novickas (talk) 20:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm concerned that someone will invoke "WP is not a Crystal Ball", but until then, will say "is" (ohh no, it depends on the definition of what 'is' is!) Thx again, Novickas (talk) 22:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Black Ruthenia

I wondered if you could inform me what ideological agenda lies behind some of the edits to Black Ruthenia. At first I thought it was a Belarusian nationalist thing, trying to turn Novgorodok into some kind of medieval predecessor to Belarus (though I thought Polotsk had that function), but then there is the Polonization of eastern Slavic and Lithuanian Baltic names happening in the article too. So if you could shed some light on it I'd be grateful. All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:58, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I will investigate. From my own areas of knowledge, Scotland and Ireland, such genealogical material is more often than not wrong or misleading (based on late material or fantastical lists compiled by 18th century hacks), and birthdates are almost always based on no evidence. Problem for the Rus stuff is that to say something is wrong requires access to very extensive resources and (even with those resources) more eastern European linguitic skill than I have. I occasionally copy prince lists from Russian websites (these are easy to read), but my hunch is that these are more often than not inaccurate or misleading, so there's a lot of unease (but we need them nonetheless as it encourages writing and can be corrected incrementally). The other day I was gonna use this to translitterate a Prince of Novgorodok article, but just glancing at Rowell's book it was clear this list was inaccurate. I do know enough and have sufficient resources to know that the Black Ruthenia article was muchly fantasy. I will look around now however, depolonize his lists, change Ruthenia to Rus, remove suspect genealogical material, and anything else I see. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 21:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Map of interwar population by ethnicity

Do you know if there is an equivalent to Image:Nationalities in Second Polish Republic ca. 1931.png for Lithuania? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian settlements template map

I think this needs to be corrected - details here. Any ideas? Cheers.--Lokyz (talk) 17:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, it seems it is fixed now. Thanks.--Lokyz (talk) 20:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Your sig

Since User:Renata has reappeared it may be worth thinking about changeing your sig.Geni 16:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

On Paper Clips Project

Why cant the students be listed These kids physically counted these paper clips for YEARS. I dont understand. OneMarkus (talk) 14:52, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Touche! OneMarkus (talk) 04:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

NYC Meetup: June 1, 2008

New York City Meetup Next: Sunday June 1st, Columbia University area Last: 3/16/2008

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We'll also review our recent Wikipedia Takes Manhattan event, and make preparations for our exciting successor Wiki Week bonanza, being planned with Columbia University students for September or October.

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

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Also, check out our regional US Wikimedia chapters blog Wiki Northeast (and we're open to guest posts).
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 00:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

RFA Page

I noticed you have an empty old RFA page at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Renata3. Do you plan on using it, or can it be deleted until you decide to run? MBisanz ^talk 20:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Suvalkija etc.

Could you link Suvalkija in the lead of Suwałki Region, and vice versa? I still think the articles should be merged. Do note that neither Polish nor Lithuanian wikis split those concepts.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 09:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

User:75.47.158.106.

This user, whom you recently blocked, is repeatedly inserting nonsense on their talk page, and reverting it again. Wouldn't it be possible to protect or semi-protect the page for a while? The ''Gorgeous Girl''!!! (talk) 04:15, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! The ''Gorgeous Girl''!!! (talk) 04:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply:rewrite

I've reverted my image change, I'm too busy at the moment to design a new image. When time permits, I'll work on it. -- penubag  (talk) 08:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

ogonek letters

I did not elaborate on uses in other languages because I don't much about them, not because I'm biased. I did in fact made separate headings for Other Languages (leaving them blank so that people more knowledgeable than I could fill in) so I'm not trying to ignore them Since you're Lithuanian, maybe you could help with those sections?Karath (talk) 18:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Really unacceptable

You wrote
This is a completely empty threat. She did not post anything not already revealed on your own personal website and admitted by yourself on WP:COI noticeboard. Renata (talk) 21:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

• I have no idea what the point was of posting my name on the article’s Talk page? What was that supposed to achieve? And why would a third party editor want to put me in an uncomfortable position like that? And what about that preposterous investigation that followed? My name had nothing to do with the article's subject. Naturally, not always do we want our Usernames to be listed with noncontroversial edits. Wiki identities similar to real identities can trigger emotional responses or even a needless exchange regardless of how innocent the new edits might be. Editing contentious articles riddled with POVs is bad enough so please give me some credit. --Poeticbent talk 03:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

From the delivered answers I did not found straight answer, are these IP's edits ([56][57] [58][59][60][61][62] [63][64][65] [66] [67][68][69][70][71] [72][73][74] [75][76][77] and subsequent ones are made by you, Poeticbent? The straight answer, yes or no, will do. M.K. (talk) 11:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

It seems this edit asked similar question, about four possible 3RR violations with IPs, asking "Should you, Poeticbent, deny that you were behind that IP range, please do so now rather than ignore or talk around it", which was answered with removal of the talk section without an answer. -- Matthead  Discuß   12:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Lest sit and wait a bit what Poeticbent will reply to fellow wikipedians, M.K. (talk) 12:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Some insight

I do not know if you aware of it, but this needs additional insight and imput, M.K. (talk) 11:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)p.s. seems that this is Bloom, no? M.K. (talk) 11:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Jersika

Jersika was a state and only then a city/castle (see http://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersika ) ~~Xil * 16:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

My Editor Review

Thanks for your words of advice :). I do try and use non-templated messages to humanise wikipedia a bit (with the exception of vandals, who aren't worth the two seconds it takes to add the tag) and i've been working on creating articles related to Pure Reason Revolution, a band i'm particularly fond of, and will (as soon as exams are all done with) be creating pages for the Elizabeth Moon series "Vatta's War".

Regarding arv messages in relation to promotional things; thanks! not sarcastically; i was unaware of how to tag userpage material as promotional rather than simply the username. Do you know the procedure for doing so? CSD is all good, but a bit offensive and some material is difficult to categorise. MFD takes too long (although i have used it on occasion when editor consensus is needed to convince the page "owner" that it isn't worth keeping). Ironholds 07:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

They were listed as "open" but then came up as closed when i opened them to comment. What's the process for removing it from the "open" listing then? Ironholds 13:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Veldamas

On 4 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Veldamas, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 07:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Why are you removing useful maps?

The ones showing voivodeships location in the PLC? They are more useful than the maps showing their location in the lower-level entity (GDL) - although of course the articles should have both.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 11:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. We have ample room for both maps, and PLC is at least as useful - for two centuries the voivodeships mattered as part of GDL in a bigger PLC. We don't show US states as part of North and South only... Of course in articles dealing only with GDL history, I'd agree that GDL maps may be more useful and PLC maps are not needed, but in the general voivodeship description, they certainly are. Also, when filling the infoboxes, please don't forget that those voivodeships were part of PLC (so they are not only "voivodeships of GDL" but "voivodeships of GDL and PLC").--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 11:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Image:IRPŻmudzkie.PNG - how so? And are we sure the borders have not changed at some point, and slightly different borders simply show different accurent times? Btw, please see my comment at Talk:Eldership of Samogitia. It was known as Eldership (Starostwo) only from 1413-1441, but for centuries afterwards (and earlier) it was a Duchy.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Любуцк

Lyubutsk now is a village (rural location) Lyubichi 55°01′45″N 39°13′28″E in Lukhovitsky rayon of Moscow oblast, link to the village chirch page (in Russian)

Using Wikipedia:Romanization of Russian rules Любуцк would be Lyubutsk. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 06:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

GPA in Eastern Europe

Hi Renata! I just saw that you edited Talk:GPA in Central and Eastern Europe. I couldn't agree more, and that's why I have been standardizing all articles on this subject into the form "Academic grading in <Country Name>". See {{grading}} for a list of the ones I already created/moved.

I am writing you, though, to ask for your help in a more sensitive part of this process, after the renames and other maintenance edits. Please read the message I left Sredni vashtar here and if you are willing to help (I believe the Lithuania case might be the most interesting to you), please be bold! Cheers, Waldir ^talk 22:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

A req

Hi, could you plunder this? I also not sure that cat it should have. Cheers, M.K. (talk) 15:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the c/e. M.K. (talk) 10:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:List of useful bots

I have added a section for this at the council page. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

How can you justify

Restoring the ref to [78] at Trakai Voivodeship for the name? There is no "Troki Voivodeship" string there. We need a ref for the name in English language publication. It doesn't matter what Lithuanians call it in Lithuanian. For the same reason, I provided English language reference for Troki Voivodeship, despite thousands for województwo trockie in Polish language. This is English, not Lithuanian, not Polish Wikipedia. Please remove this ref (or add it to external links if it is useful) - it does not reference the use of "Trakai Voivodeship" in English literature (shall we find a Spanish publication mentioning it, and add the Spanish name referenced by the Spanish language publication there, too?).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The same way you justify "English" source for Troki. You are right, there is no string "Troki Voivodeship" in the ref; there is, however, "Trakai province (voivodeship)" quoted from a Lithuanian-English dictionary published in 2002. Renata (talk) 18:17, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Template:A Lyga seasons

Just to let you know, all football-related templates use the Football box format, which means they can nest into each other. Therefore they should not be converted to navbox, as it messes up the nesting. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 15:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Page move

That's fine, I'm sorry for my mistakes, but I had around 500 page move edits to clean up after. Out of the 500 or so, I see only around 5 had problems. Benkenobi18 (talk) 17:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

The changes had been there for 3 weeks. Why didn't the Admins revert the page move vandalism from before? It might seem hasty to you, but nothing was being done, so I fixed it. I am sorry for my mistakes, but I am most disappointed you characterised it as a move war between me and Malleaus. It was nothing of the sort. Consensus was to fix the moves by Malleaus, but no one wanted the "thankless" job of reverting all of them back. I can certainly see why the task is thankless. I half expected a barnstar not censure, but I see where your priorities lie. Still about 96+ percent or so without error. 33/500~Benkenobi18 (talk) 17:31, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Dashes

You recently moved Polish-Teutonic War. For the life of me I cannot see what the difference is between the two versions; put me out of my misery, please. :) Abtract (talk) 19:51, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought it had to be that since I could see no difference ... but what was the point? Abtract (talk) 19:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Errors in dashes

Hello again. From a glance at your contributions, I must say that your record is impressive, as far as page-moves are concerned. However, I am sorry to say that it is not flawless. Two things:

• Although similar independent entities, like Polish–Lithuanian and Canada – United States, generally take an en dash, there are special cases like Sino-, Russo-, Greco-, Anglo-, etc., which are prefixes and should be followed by a hyphen. Different grammatical form, you see. I hope you haven't moved too many Russos...
• You do not seem to have applied the results of our consultation session on Polish-Lithuanian-Teutonic War. Why two en dashes? In order to make the distinction between the two parties clearer, the best way to go is Polish-Lithuanian–Teutonic War.

I feel bad to moderate the success of your undoubtedly very useful edits, but we are all aiming towards the perfect, right? :-) Please reply here. Waltham, The Duke of 06:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I moved only Russo–Polish War (1654–1667). I do not think that "russo" is the best case here anyway. Feel free to move that one back.

I do not agree that the best way to go is Polish-Lithuanian–Teutonic War. PL–LT is still the same case as Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth and a ton of other PL–LT pages. I do not see any reason why suddenly switch to a hyphen. Plus I do not think that anyone in printed media would switch the dashes around to show who was against who. It feels invented & far-fetched. Renata (talk) 13:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how the English-language sources refer to the war (which is probably the most important factor to consider here), but to me Russo- sounds just fine. I have moved the article back, fixed the redirects, and even done some general copy-editing. Even though you have only made one such move, others have done the same thing, so I am speaking to all who may be reading this: the two important things in using en dashes are grammatical independence of the elements and a clear relationship. Prefixes like Russo are not independent. (Please see WP:DASH for more information.)

"It feels invented & far-fetched." Actually, it is invented exactly because the title is so far-fetched (I'd probably use "extraordinary"). There is no rule for such cases, even in our Manual of Style, which is quite detailed in dash matters in comparison to most real-world Manuals of Style. I shouldn't know that myself, but many frequenters at the MoS would know all about it, and even I have noticed how inconsistent dash usage is in many printed and on-line media. We may be creating a precedent here, so we should choose the option which best describes the subject of the article—that is the fundamental purpose of titles. I refer you to this thread for the rest; the question was dissected by Noetica, one of the style authorities on Wikipedia, to whom I appealed when I realised that this was above my level of expertise. Waltham, The Duke of 01:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

FYI, the only other articles that start with "Russo" and use en dash are Russo–Angolan relations and Russo–Crimean War (1571). And I don't take blame for the Russo-Swedish War as it was moved in 2006. But you might want to add Anglo, Russo, Greco as examples on WP:DASH.

Yeah, the title itself is invented ("descriptive" when there is no really known proper name). I still don't agree with your solution, sorry :) I do not think that an average reader (i.e. non-nerds :P) would figure out that the hyphen represents an alliance and the en dash represents confrontation. It's too unconventional. But if you really feel strongly about it, feel free to move the article. Renata (talk) 02:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

No, no, I am not blaming you; don't misinterpret my words. I am just saying what you, and others, should pay attention to. About the examples, they might be useful, but I don't know how to integrate them; the section as it is now looks rather clear, at least compared to its previous incarnations that I've seen.

Concerning the title, I am not claiming that a reader should be able to draw such complex conclusions just by seeing the article's name. But it doesn't mean that they cannot draw any conclusions at all, either. I'll put it simply: the Polish and Lithuanian elements are closer to each other than to the Teutonic element, so there should be a hyphen between them, which indicates greater proximity. It's easy enough to see in text that there is a hierarchy of dashes: hyphen, en dash, em dash—each separates more clearly than the previous and indicates a different degree of closeness.

Now, picture a reader unaware of the area's history and ethnology. Seeing Polish-Lithuanian–Teutonic War (we assume that they will give a moment's thought to the title), they are very likely to see the en dash in the middle and from this deduce that the two combatants are something Polish-Lithuanian and something Teutonic. It's a war, after all, there must be sides. One might also separate the title in half, but they will soon realise that the result makes no sense. On the other hand, an equally ignorant reader seeing Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War will either see three combatants or be completely confused. Do you see my point now? The former title has much greater chances of being read correctly. Waltham, The Duke of 04:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I know you are not blaming me, it's just a figure of speech. I forgot a smiley face. If WP:DASH looks good now I just can imagine how bad it was before... Without some human explanations (from you and others) I would not be able to make heads and tales out of it (and I read tax instructions and tax code for a living)... :) It needs better examples, especially in cases where there are no number. Like I would not know which example would tell me that PL–LT Commonwealth should use en dash (probably the closest is Canada–US border but it looks somehow weird; btw, shouldn't US be dotted? like U.S.?). And re PL-LT-TE War, agree to disagree :) No one (that is except us) is gonna sit and analyze what kind of relationship the dashes represent. If you feel strongly (which I don't) please move wherever you like. Renata (talk) 05:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do about MoS. (Don't worry if nothing happens for a while, though; I have a lot in my head, and this is no piece of cake.)

The trend has been lately to use US instead of U.S., following the pattern of UK; although the former has by no means been displaced, the latter is pretty much preferred when in the same sentence with UK, and in some other contexts. And some people just want to save space, even at the level of dots. :-)

As I do feel strongly about the dashes, I shall move the article. However, I don't like pushing my preferred changes through, and I like to persuade others that I'm right anyway, so I first take the diplomatic route. I couldn't call this one "success" but it has been satisfying in a strictly utilitarian fashion. (sigh)

I guess we'll be in touch. (You are enlightened now, after all, as far as dash usage is concerned. A beacon of style knowledge amongst Wikipedians... :-D I'll seek to widen this knowledge when the opportunity presents itself.) Waltham, The Duke of 06:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian-Soviet War

Perhaps its the unclear description, but Image:PL-RU war 1919 phase I.svg and Image:PL-RU war 1919 phase II.svg indicate that such war took place. In any case, nice maps and I hope you will finish the series with the 1920 year.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I'd suggest either redirecting the above red link, or better, creating a dedicated article. Polish-Lithuanian War could use maps of troop movements, too.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Curious: the second maps suggest Lithuanian participation in the Battle of Daugavpils. This is not mentioned in the article. Could you comment? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Another comment: first Polish-Soviet battle occurred near Brest (Battle of Bereza Kartuska (1919)) in February. There was really no Polish-Soviet front in January, although the line itself is probably correct as in "how far the Soviets went by January" (they were not opposed by any regular Polish army, just various self-defense units). The Image:PL-RU war 1919 phase II.svg correctly shows Polish forces moving East from further West (Brest). I think that thus the map would be better showing how far the Soviets did advance by February, before they were pushed back; the January does not represent the situations perfectly (although it is, of course, a useful map by itself). I'd also remove the Curzon line from the first map. Wouldn't a seven month long Lithuanian-Belorussian Soviet Socialist Republic be a better entity to put on a map than a month-long Socialist Soviet Republic of Byelorussia? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Civil war in Lithuania (1700)

Comments on naming of that article appreciated on talk.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Pavlovo

Yup, there is one in Ozyorsky District. I can't tell if it's the same as Lochstädt or not, but if it helps, it is located within five kilometers from Maltsevo (54°22′N 21°43′E), and it seems to be the only Pavlovo in Kaliningrad Oblast.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's entirely possible that some other Pavlovo merged with something else in the past, or was renamed, but, unfortunately, Kaliningrad Oblast is one of the (not so few) areas on which the completness of my data leaves much to be desired. I'm afraid you are starting to overestimate my abilities a bit :) The only thing I can state with 100% certainty is that as of today, Pavlovo above is the only place by that name in Kaliningrad Oblast. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, scratch that. There is another Pavlovo in the vicinity of Baltiysk, but I am not sure if it is currently considered a separate rural locality under jurisdiction of the town or is actually a part of the town itself. It is definitely the same as Lochstädt you are looking for, though (see). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I added both Kaliningrad Oblast entries to the dab page, but I did not create a stub. From what I've been able to find, Pavlovo/Lochstädt was merged into Baltiysk some time between the 1970s and the 1990s (which is why I couldn't find it right away). Locals still seem to refer to it unofficially as a separate settlement, but since officially it's not the case, whatever information one may have on Lochstädt should really go to the Baltiysk article. Myself, I don't really have anything to write about Lochstädt save what I've mentioned in this section, and although I could translate portions from here, I'd rather leave that task to someone who knows both Russian and the history of the area in question (some of the terminology is way over my head—I have no clue who an "amber master"/"янтарный магистр" is supposed to be, for example). Let me know if there is anything else I can help with, though. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Here is an interesting publication for you, which should help you locate any other places in Kaliningrad Oblast you might need in the future. The work is in Russian, but you should be able to use the appendix (starting on page 16), which contains modern Russian names of all places in Kaliningrad Oblast in column 1 and their pre-1938 names in column 2 (column 3 explains the origins of the name and column 4 contains "proposed Russian names" instead of the current ugly Soviet-inherited ones). This could be used to update/expand the list of inhabited localities in Kaliningrad Oblast, if you are willing to work on that. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Cold War

Hi Renata, please have a look at your entry in the Cold War's FAC. Some issues have been resolved and few comments have been added. Cheers, --Eurocopter (talk) 12:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Bleep

{{Talkback}}

I've been slow to realise that you needed a reminder. :-) Waltham, The Duke of 09:21, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Renata3. You have new messages at The Duke of Waltham's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I have taken the liberty to "defuse" the previous template, since you haven't removed it yourself (personally, I avoid deletions from my talk page and prefer keeping everything for archiving). You are supposed to do so, in order to notice new such templates when they appear. Waltham, The Duke of 23:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Category q

There's supposed to be a Category:Wars involving the Grand Duchy of Lithuania to match Category:Battles involving the Grand Duchy of Lithuania; but it seems it hasn't been created yet (probably because we don't have many editors working in that area). Please feel free to create it; or I can do it for you, if you prefer. Kirill ^(prof) 01:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Welcome

Renata3, just wanted to thank you for your greeting, but I'm afraid I don't know how/where to do it. It was a nice surprise. And what a coincidence, I have a special interest in Latvia! So we are almost neighbors -- or might have been. Anyway, I appreciated your kind comment on my page. OttolineLyme (talk) 04:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia errors

A belated thanks for the milk and cookies :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian civil war

We need to create a disambig for at least three events under that title.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian towns

It must be confusing (or just funny) for an English-speaking reader to learn, that for ex. Podbrodzie is a city. Be so kind to look up the definition of a city at The New Shorter Oxford Dict. (or any other one), vol. 1, p. 407, right. Nevertheless, if you want to make readers laught at Lithuanian entries, it's your choise (but I cannot share such a point of view). Best reg. Romuald Wróblewski (talk) 18:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Treaty of Salynas

On 30 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Treaty of Salynas, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 19:03, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian Civil War (1389–1392)

On 1 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lithuanian Civil War (1389–1392), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 20:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Your transclusion trick works like a charm on the List of political and geographic subdivisions by total area (all)‎. bd2412 T 05:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Editing & Conflict of Interest

You placed an interesting tag I never saw before in the discussion of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Joseph_Cormier. Since the article is about me, I have recused myself from editing it, but I am active in the discussion. The article was created over two years ago and I just discovered it April 19. AS you or anyone else discovering such a thing about yourselves would do, I developed it based on the MoS of the creator. April 19 is recent, but more recently it has come under intense scrutiny and 95% of the information has been relegated to history. I think the two editors, in their haste, went too far and could have re-worked some of the information. I admit it did read like a novel more than an encyclopedia and had to be cleaned up. Now I have to wait for other editors to take an interest and come forward to take the raw information from the history and discussion, improving it so it can be restored to the article.

I asked the two editors who decimated it on their talk page: You were a participant in removing 95% of the content in the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Joseph_Cormier. This was left in "In 1986, to complete his Canada-wide mission, he hitchhiked East to Quebec and the Maritimes.[7][8][9][10]", It may have been an oversight, but that makes no sense without restoring this "In 1981, Cormier hitchhiked from Ottawa to Whitehorse, Yukon to draw attention to Revelation 19:11 [2]. Newspapers across the country chronicled his journey........" I have recused myself from editing the article. Would you please restore this to the article with the newspaper references you also removed? They have not done it as yet.

How long should I wait before I restore it myself? Also, the image of the crowd of people seeming to be unhappy is nominated for deletion. Shouldn't there be some notation in the caption so viewers will know and offer an opinion? DoDaCanaDa (talk) 13:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

your review of the Trump Building article

Hi Renata—Good stuff, except that I quailed when I read your request for more linking. Tony the Tiger has been resisting the entreaties of several reviewers to tone down the amount of linking in the article—especially trivial and (as you point out) repeated links. Can you point to items that you think should be linked? I think he doesn't need encouraging on that front, but I'm interested to know.

I suppose you could call me a warrior for the cause of disciplined linking, so it's quite a big deal when a nominator digs heals in and flatly refuses to link intelligently.

He seems to be digging his heals in as a matter of policy, in broad terms, actually. And he has a record of nominating articles prematurely as though a method of improving the article. This is clagging up our meagre reviewing resources. TONY (talk) 02:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Your post starts "Oppose: it needs wikification. There are numerous terms, locations, names, etc. than need linking, while others are linked several times" at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates#Trump_International_Hotel_and_Tower_.28Chicago.29. TONY (talk) 02:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops, mea culpa! TONY (talk) 03:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Anna, Grand Duchess of Lithuania DYK

On 8 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anna, Grand Duchess of Lithuania, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congratulations! --PeterSymonds (talk) 21:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Pius XII

I appreciated your many improvements in the template, but wanted to restore the pic, without succeeding. So I reverted your changes, and then added your improvements. Thanks--Ambrosius007 (talk) 08:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

July 10 DYK

On 10 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vaidila, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bedford ^Pray 05:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Article sizes tool

Cool tool, but does it account for the fact that say Cyrillic letters take 2 bytes and Latin letters only 1? Renata (talk) 03:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

No, I hadn't thought of that at all. I just read what you wrote on the mailing list about it. Now that I think about it there's also the problem of Japanese, for example, taking 3 bytes! I suppose that does affect any analysis of actual sizes, but the idea with the graphs is to show the relative distribution, that is, the shape of the graph, and the actual size doesn't really matter in that regard.

I think it'll be too complicated to vary the graph based on the character length in any given language, so perhaps I'll just include a notice at the top. --bainer (talk) 14:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Treaty of Dubysa

On 12 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Treaty of Dubysa, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 15:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian Civil War (1381–1384)

On 14 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lithuanian Civil War (1381–1384), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 13:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK issue

Please see T:TDYK for comments on your comment of my submission of 825 Naval Air Squadron. Benea (talk) 21:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Kevin Nee DYK

Hello! Your point on my DYK entry for Kevin Nee was well-taken. I changed the hook, as per your suggestion. Please re-review and check it if I made the grade. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 00:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I just saw that you checked my DYK hook. I greatly appreciate your advice. Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 00:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK issue - Viktor Nogin

Acting on your comments on the T:DYK suggestion of Viktor Nogin, I have added some more information with another reference. I must admit that I do not understand the plagiarism comment. The article makes no "false claims of authorship" (definition of plagiarism in its Wikipedia article). All of the information in the article is attributed to the source in accordance with Wiki guidelines and standard journalistic principles. Could you please explain why you believe it is plagiarism and what would need to be done to rectify it. As for source #1 being a Wiki-mirror, you may be correct; I'm not sure which came first, Wikipedia or the Nationmaster Encyclopedia source. In any case, all but one of those references are multi-sourced. If you would like, the Nationmaster source could be removed without affecting the validity of the article. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 01:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. FYI, I did not copy and paste the web page. I used it as a reference and wrote the Wiki article text in my own words. Since the information deals with a chronology of events and long names of organizations, of course the Wiki text and the webpage are similar. Most importantly, it is all properly cited and referenced; there are no claims that it is my own work. It would be plagiarism if I did the edits and did not include the reference; that would be claiming it as my own and I didn't do that. I don't believe in plagiarism and campaign against it wherever I can (including with my own kids in high school and college). It would be interesting to get a third opinion. I guess we will have to agree that we disagree and leave it at that. It is sad, though, that the Wikimunity will not get the advantage of learning about this important historical figure via the DYK process. Truthanado (talk) 02:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The article has been rewritten and restructured to address your concerns. Would you take another look please. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 23:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Date format changes

There has been a change in the consensus view on linking of dates (see WP:CONTEXT#Dates).

“ Careful consideration of the disadvantages and advantages of the autoformatting mechanism should be made before applying it: the mechanism does not work for the vast majority of readers, such as unregistered users and registered users who have not made a setting, and can affect readability and appearance if there are already numerous high-value links in the text. ”

Since autoformatting benefits only a small number of users and it's a distraction for most readers, I'm unlinking dates whenever I'm making other improvements to articles. Colonies Chris (talk) 10:33, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I see the news are spreading like wildfire... Just be careful of applying consistency across the article, and all will be fine. I know the evils of auto-formatting first-hand, and I am actually preparing an essay on the subject, which is going very well and will be finished very soon.

On another note, still in the style area, people might be interested in this. I did not reply to your last message in my talk page, Renata, because I intended to create a page with some examples on dash usage, for easy reference. I wanted to reply with actions than with words. :-) This is much better, and I'm glad I hadn't started with mine (too busy), which would have been time wasted for me.

By the way: the mixed-descent hyphenation issue seems to have been settled, at last: [79]. I particularly recommend the block quotation. Waltham, The Duke of 19:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Amateur Station Operator's Certificate

Hi! I have withdrawn the request. I have replied to some of your queries there, but it seems unlikely that smaller, newer articles can meet DYKs now stringent guidelines. I'll take a shot at another article though. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian student corps

Somehow 'blatant copyright infringement' seems like a harsh description. I did not write the article, it was a section of the article 'Corporations (university)'. I just cut it loose to be its own article. I don't know where it is from, or care.P22575R15 (talk) 22:28, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Sąjūdis old-timers

Hi, Renata3!

I appreciate your editing of Virgilijus Čepaitis page, referred to from Sąjūdis. Like you, I am from Lithuania. Unlike you, I am not a person of the year, nor do I have the energy which is flowing from your pages. Also, I live in Australia, far from the centre of the universe that NYorkers often assume to be the NY city. I have lived here for over half a century. My (outdated) personal details are in my home page - just in case you have spare energy to look at it: http://akabaila.pcug.org.au.

Čepaitis is an interesting person, who never climbed the steep slopes of fame and prominence. As the former executive secretary of Sąjūdis he collected a wealth of information about the struggle of Lithuania in the late 80's and early 90's. His book "Su Sąjūdžiu už Lietuvą" ISBN 9986-476-41-0, "Tvermė" 2007, has a large collection of facts and impressions from that time. BTW, the slogan "Su Sąjūdžiu už Lietuvą" is one of his contributions to success of "The Movement".

I had a small part in the Movement by representing it in Australia on the invitation of "Sąjūdis" chairperson, Vytautas Landsbergis. I should some day describe some of the details that are not generally known. It would be good to do that before my "final departure" (I am 83 years old. Hopefully still of sound mind...). BTW, I was lucky to spend a few months in Vilnius in 1989 when my brother Vytenis Kabaila, a Mathematics professor of the University of Vilnius was still alive. It was an exciting time for my first visit to Lithuania in half a century, with the occupational grip of USSR clearly weakening. My wife Vida and I had an unforgettable experience of standing in the "Baltic Way", joining Vilnius to Tallinn with a human continuous chain of hands. The memory will live with me as long as I will.

Recently by email I asked V Čepaitis to give me permission to use his book for some free translation of sections of it. He did so generously. He does have some health problems now, having suffered "minor stroke" or "strokes". IMHO, there is nothing minor about a stroke, any stroke... Hopefully, he will continue in his quiet, unassuming way to contribute to Lithuania's awakening as a democratic and free society.

I think your editorial cuts have made the little article more readable and I thank you for it.

Algimantas.

OldAl (talk) 11:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Errata Britannicae

Sveika! Couldn't help noticing EB's description of Vilnius has not improved! (Responding here is fine!) Wonder if Rīga is any better (or worse)! —PētersV (talk) 14:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I emailed you the article for your judgment. I can only say that Riga has 4 photos while Vilnius only one... :) Renata (talk) 15:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

GA Nom

I reviewed your nom for 1938 Polish ultimatum to Lithuania and promoted it to GA! Congrats! Intothewoods29 (talk) 21:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian city municipalities

Hi, I've noticed that you started to remove articles on the city municipalities. Not that I'm objecting, just it would be a bit more clear, if a section about municipality would be added to the city article. Let me know, what do you think.--Lokyz (talk) 13:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Seeking information on my homeland as I'm a 'lost' Lithuanian

Sorry for using the forum but I don't have a clue as how to write you directly. I see you and I come from the same county. My Father came over with his parents who were translators on immigrant ships back around the turn of the century. All I have is their immigration papers as they as all gone now. Our branch of the family lost touch with those left behind and I wish to research my family roots.

Will you please point me in the right direction as how to go about searching? I wrote the embassy but did not even get a reply.

Charles Stanton (Anglicized) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.59.106 (talk) 21:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Move

Could you move this to its permanent place. Thanks, M.K. (talk) 20:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Second Annual WikiNYC Picnic

Greetings! You are invited to attend the second annual New York picnic on August 24! This year, it will be taking place in the Long Meadow of Prospect Park in Brooklyn. If you plan on coming, please sign up and be sure to bring something! Please be sure to come!
You have received this automated delivery because your name was on the invite list. BrownBot (talk) 20:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

The community template portal thing

G'day Renata... I think you may have misread the 'Wikipedia Weekly' portal thing a bit (it's easy to do - I didn't get it for quite a while....) - but their latest ep. is actually quite current - it just fits under the general 'Wikimania' umbrella... could you take another look, and maybe pop it back if you agree? thanks... Privatemusings (talk) 04:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Infobox in Lithuanian Civil War (1389–1392)

Hi R3S1. This infobox is arranged a bit oddly, ar ne? Novickas (talk) 13:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC) D'oh -I see the logic in it now. Never mind. Novickas (talk) 13:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

GA Review of Lithuanian Civil War (1389–1392)

Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I have completed the GA review of Lithuanian Civil War (1389–1392), with the full review being located at Talk:Lithuanian Civil War (1389–1392)/GA1. I have put the article on hold to allow time to address the few minor concerns I found. If you have any questions, please let me know on the review page or on my talk page. Thanks! Dana boomer (talk) 18:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Flatwater racing world championships template spacing

I saw that you adjusted the ICF Flatwater Racing World Championships template, changing it from stars to dots which I do not object. The question I have is regarding ths spacing between the year and the dot. Does the dot that is in the template already give it a space? When I looked at the template without the space and the adjustemnt I did with the space, I could not tell the difference. Chris (talk) 16:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

It makes sense. Thanks. Chris (talk) 17:11, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice map

Have you seen this? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 06:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not easy to read, but it's possible. I think it has a few more lines than we have currently. In any case, your map is better than Image:Border-Lithuania-Poland-1919-1939.svg - I've pointed some errors on its talk months ago. Should we obsolete it and replace it with your new work? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

The lines: confusing as hell, I can't figure out the difference. PS. There is some useful background material for 1919 in Sejny Uprising. PSS. I am reading Łossowski, I cannot find much info on 1) negotiations between May 28 and June 11 1919 (when, by whom, where? - Łossowski p.38-41 covers the negotiations in April-late May, and than - with LoN negotiations in the bacground - only mentions negotiations in early August). I also cannot find any mentions of Polish attacks on July 29 and August 2 (he talks about some around Jew without a date, at a time Poles cooperated with Lit against the Soviets, and mentions a Polish attack on Lithuanians on 23-25 July in Merecz). Could you expand on those (or at least let me know on talk)? PSSS. Łossowski (p.48) notes that while Lithuanian side exaggerated the extent of the hostilities (in press, reports, diplomacy) there was no real frontline, there were no battles but squabbles and quarrels with no significant casualties. On p.47 he gives examples of cooperation between Polish and Lithuanian forces against the Soviets. He notes that in the north, were both P and L fought the Soviets, the relations were relatively good, but hostilities occured in the south, in the vaccum left by the retreating/defeated Soviets. This is why I don't support calling the 1919 events a war (a skirmish in the south and fighting together 100k in the north - not a war...).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: the negotiations - I am confused: Lithuanians negotiated with Lithuanians? Or would your Lithuanian source Lithuanize the names of the Polish delegates (S. Staniševskis (Vice-Minister of Defense) - was he Polish or Lithuanian)? PS. I am not disputing that Poles advanced - the map makes it clear - but according to Łossowski it was not a proper war, more like "Poles threaten - Lithuanians retreat - Poles advance".--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I see. I guess that's an unfortunate feature of Lithuanian historiography - Łossowski, for example, gives Lithuanian names for Lithuanian people (including the Lithuanian diacritics). Not that Polish historiography is perfect - it tends to polonize some Russian names, for example... but I am getting OT. In any case, I posted a suggestion on LSW article; I suggest we try to keep the Polish angle in Polish-Lithuanian war article to avoid confusion.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

OT: For the record, this is what we do in Polish: add Polish endings to foreign names, so we get something like "Polski premier witał prezydenta Adamkusa".--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

1963 Gabon

Go ahead, e-mail me--it's enabled. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 16:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm that's odd--I know I enabled it. I'll email you now. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 17:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't download the file because my computer didn't recognise it. Is there any way you can send it as a PDF? --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 18:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Renata3, for giving me those PDFs. Using them, I have been able to add a few KBs of content. While regrettfully there was no information of the planning of the coup, there was plenty on the aftermath. Again, thank you. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 22:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

It is. I e-mailed you using Special:Emailuser. This is very strange. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 01:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

trixbox

I'm sorry but I do not understand how the trixbox page was classified as blatant advertising when it is very similar to the Elastix and FreeSwitch pages which are allowed to stay. I was working with Josh to make sure I adhered to all guidelines and I would like to know where I was out of line and the other projects are not. Thanks. Kerrygarrison (talk) 17:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I understand your position but when I take existing pages to use as a template that have past scrutiny in the past then it is also reasonable that the information I present be given the same treatment. If you are to take my information down based on your interpretation of the guidelines then you should be bound to remove the others I have pointed out for the same infractions else it appears there is favoritism or something else at work to allow others to continue and ours not to. Kerrygarrison (talk) 22:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Request for input

I mentioned Sejny Uprising article earlier as containing some interesting info. In the meantime, another dispute has arose on its talk - could you perhaps comment at Talk:Sejny_Uprising#Same_old_business_again? I've requested an RfC, but you are more familiar with the issue and editors involved than some random RfCer, and perhaps could offer valuable insight? If we could resolve this issue, I believe this article would qualify for a B-class. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 02:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

		The Epic Barnstar
		For unwavering quality contributions to historical articles, with good references, maps and visible neutrality, I am proud to present you with the Epic Barnstar. If all editors would be up to your standards, Wikipedia would be a much better place. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Lithuania templates

Hi. If Lithuania templates accepts navbox template pages as well as other template types' categories, a redundant category level is eliminated:

• Lithuania templates

  navbox template pages here and other template types' categories

  • Lithuania infobox templates
  • Lithuania stub templates
  • etc

...rather than:

• Lithuania templates

  contains nothing apart from category links

  • Lithuania infobox templates
  • Lithuania navbox templates ← extra category level

    navbox template pages here

  • Lithuania stub templates
  • etc

Why navboxes? They're the most widely/commonly-used templates in articles.

Hope all this helps. Sardanaphalus (talk) 01:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

• Hope it'll be okay for me to finish recategorizing the templates left in Lithuanian navigational boxes. Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

• Okay, thanks. Hopefully someday you'll approve. Sardanaphalus (talk) 05:12, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

A lot of work

Could you help me with my anglų kalba čia. Cheers, M.K. (talk) 10:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

LT Governments

An impressive work:) --Lokyz (talk) 11:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Mongol invasion of Lithuania

I've created Mongol invasion of Poland, and in the process removed a mention of Mongol invasion of Lithuania from Timeline of Mongol conquests, since it was piped over non-Lithuanian battle of Legnica. But perhaps I am wrong and there was a notable Mongol invasion of Lithuania? If so, you may want to correct my edit and stub that article.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Southern Gospel Choir page

Hi Renata, thanks for helping out with the page I created... I am new to Wikipedia editing so yeah, I just wanted to ask why the stub template was misplaced?

Thanks! PanachePizazz (talk) 12:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh right, thanks. These things I was not aware of, I find all the help articles and stuff here rather difficult to navigate... so I thought, hmm, ok, I'll copy paste the code from another article :P lesson learnt, thanks! PanachePizazz (talk) 04:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Dashes (ugh)

Thanks For what it's worth, I would like to emphasize that I had no role at all in coming up with this standard. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:01, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Sure And thanks to you as well; it's not an easy burden I bring upon myself... There are literally thousands of pagemoves that I know to make and I'm in the long process of doing them. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Renata, I appreciate you pointing me in the right direction to challenge the speedy deletion of Hammes Company. I guess some users don't look to see if changes were made, but the article has been completely redone. Is there any chance you could add your opinion to this deletion review of Hammes Company? It'd be appreciated. Sharnden (talk) 15:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Seimas of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania

On 9 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Seimas of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 09:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Did you notice my comment at Talk:Seimas of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 14:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Eišiškės

On 10 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Eišiškės, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 16:22, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

revisit Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1964 Gabon coup d'état

Hi Renata3,

I remember you from many moons ago—I made a barnstar or two for WikiProject Lithuania, and you did some copy editing/reviewing of Taiwanese aborigines for its FAC. I also rememebr that your comments were quite useful. :-)

Anyhow, I've left some comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1964 Gabon coup d'état. You voted on its previous FAC, but not this second one. If you have time, I wonder if you would visit the new FAC? Thanks, Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 00:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Insight Needed

Hi Renata3,

I'm new to Wikipedia and am working to get my head wrapped around all its parts. I work in communications for GE and noticed that last year you deleted a page on John Rice, a GE vice chairman. I'm not necessarily looking to recreate that page just wondering, for future reference if/when I ever edit anything, why was it deleted?

Thanks! Mmparker (talk) 20:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)--Mmparker (talk) 20:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Culture of Lithuania

Hi, Retana3. I am updating this page in my sandbox, and am researching the Lithuanian culture. Is this a good site (http://www.cp-pc.ca/english/lithuania/holidays.html) for research? And, can you point me to some background on the Lithuanian culture? Thanks. miranda 05:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Chicago Lithuanians

Dear Renata, I noticed that there are no Lithuanian language versions of the English language articles Lithuanians in Chicago, Adolfas Valeška and Holy Cross in Chicago. Would you possibly be interested in translating them into Lithuanian or someone you know?--Orestek (talk) 07:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Firestarter Mini Monster (Truck)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Firestarter Mini Monster (Truck). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Kildare2 (talk) 17:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Renata3:

I am requesting that you forward a copy to me of the recent page you speedily deleted titled 'Firestarter Racing Mini Monster (Truck)' On September 14, 2008 and please note that I have requested that your decision to delete this page be overturned. In your reasoning you stated that this page was deleted because it discussed a person who was not noteworthy, when in fact if you read the page you would have realized that it is not about a person at all, but a newly developed monster truck. I'm sure you realize that there are countless entries on specific monster trucks on Wikipedia (just type list of monster trucks in the search field) to delete this one simply because it is new is discrimination at best.

Thank you.

Pertaining To The Speedy Deletion Of Page Titled 'Firestarter Mini Monster (Truck)

Renata3:

Apparently I need to post to my own talk page in an effort to dispute your decision to speedily delete my page titled 'Firestarter Mini Monster (Truck)' and I must say, I have read the comments of other administrators pertaining to the manner you handled this matter, and I find it troubling. As an administrator I assume that you are expected to enforce the rules of Wikipedia, and yet you don't seem to follow them yourself. In fact, you denied me my due process and became judge, jury and executioner all in one...apparently your efforts to change your self proclaimed 'deletionist' ways aren't going so well. As well, I expect you did all this pertaining to a topic which I'm quite sure you know nothing about, which brings me to my next point.

As far of the relevance of my truck is concerned, let me bring to your attention some information which you may be able to use to make a more informed decision. Aside from being an absolutely unique and original hand built one of a kind vehicle, it was created with the assistance of a gentleman named Steve Combs. Steve is not only a monster truck veteran, but one of the inventors of the nitrogen charged shock, and his product is used on practically every professional monster truck racing team, including such greats as Grave Digger. According to 'Monster Trucks' by Scott Johnston:

"Today, the Combs racing shock is one of the most common components found on a Monster Truck, perhaps second only to the terra tire." (Pg. 226)

Do you really believe he'd be wasting his time on something as 'irrelevant' as the Firestarter truck? To even entertain the thought that after the hours, experience and cost involved, that this vehicle is not noteworthy only exposes your ignorance to the topic. The fact is, you're looking at an authentic one of a kind vehicle - the first of it's kind before it makes it's debut - and you don't know enough on the topic to recognize it's importance in the industry.

If anything, I am only guilty of being proactive in posting this article before attending my first major event, and understand that contractually I am not able to disclose any information at this time. It was my hope that when the event is announced, that those interested could find out more about the truck before attending...isn't that why an encyclopedia is used, to do research?

I would like the courtesy of being involved in the dispution process, as I was denied access to appropriate procedure the first time this page was posted. A good first start would be if I could be provided with a copy of the page you deleted so that it can be reposted with my concerns.

Thank you for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kildare2 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

FYI, the above editor has started a discussion at WP:ANI about this situation. Tony Fox (arf!) 03:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Administrative division of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth

Hi Renata, I'm posting it here since I've seen you've been active contributor, feel free to spread the question around among Lithuanian editors who might be interested in the subject.

Can you guys help me out with this, first of all- how do you call Duchy of Livonia (1561–1621) in Lithuanian since it was a Lithuanian duchy at first it would be appropriate to have Lithuanian name included I think. And also, could you take a look at Poland/Poland-related Wikipedia notice board that I've posted on the subject and let me know what you think. I'd clean the subject up, I found a good source that's written in Polish but I'd need the Lithuanian names for appropriate subdivisions also included. Also, do you have any ideas how do they call those Voivodeships most commonly in English? I've seen principality used but I have no idea if district should be more appropriate or do you think Voivodeship is still most common term used in English? thanks!--Termer (talk) 05:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Please accept my apologies for my tardiness in replying. Thank you for the advice about referencing. I must confess that I am not the most computer literate person in the world, so I been rather clumsy with the keyboard, plus I am always the articles such as Massigli and Goerdeler are at present works in progress, so I am constantly re-arranging those articles as I seek to improve them, so until they are done, I am not quite sure about when to start introducing the abbreviated references. But thank you very much for all your help, and thank you for all your compliments! --A.S. Brown (talk) 00:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Jurgis Tiškevičius/Jerzy Tyszkiewicz

Do you think you could translate more on him from lt wiki? Also, I wonder if lt wiki has any information on his predecessor (Merkelis Geišas/Melchior)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Pioneer vandal

Thank you for blocking the Pioneer vandal. He did cause some more damage today, on several pages. I am not sure if he has been totally reverted on all pages. Is he by any chance the same as Eurovisionman? I wonder.... He may really have several personalities and suffer from psychological problems. But there needs to be a better way to stop him sooner. History2007 (talk) 03:17, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he is persistent, but also deeply obsessed with specific issues in this personality. So he is easy to see in this persona, but he probably has other personas. I will let you know when I notice him again. Cheers History2007 (talk) 03:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Stuff

Thanks a bunch for the stuff—definitely not a waste! While I can find/source pretty much anything with what I already have, it's the stuff in English that's really hard to come by for me, so these will definitely find their use as sources. If there's any way I can return the favor, don't hesitate to let me know (I know you wouldn't :)). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikis Take Manhattan

Wikis Take Manhattan Next: Saturday September 27

WHAT Wikis Take Manhattan is a scavenger hunt and free content photography contest aimed at illustrating Wikipedia and StreetsWiki articles covering sites and street features in Manhattan and across the five boroughs of New York City. The event is based on last year's Wikipedia Takes Manhattan, and has evolved to include StreetsWiki this year as well.

LAST YEAR'S EVENT

• Wikipedia:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Spring 2008 (a description of the results, and the uploading party)
• Commons:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Gallery (our cool gallery)

WINNINGS? Prizes include a dinner for three with Wikipedia creator Jimmy Wales at Pure Food & Wine, gift certificates to Bicycle Habitiat and the LimeWire Store, and more!

WHEN The hunt will take place Saturday, September 27th from 1:00pm to 6:30pm, followed by prizes and celebration.

WHO All Wikipedians and non-Wikipedians are invited to participate in team of up to three (no special knowledge is required at all, just a digital camera and a love of the city). Bring a friend (or two)!

REGISTER The proper place to register your team is here. It's also perfectly possible to register on the day of when you get there, but it will be slightly easier for us if you register beforehand.

WHERE Participants can begin the hunt from either of two locations: one at Columbia University (at the sundial on college walk) and one at The Open Planning Project's West Village office. Everyone will end at The Open Planning Project:

• Wikis Take Manhattan page at The Open Planning Project

349 W. 12th St. #3

Between Greenwich & Washington Streets

By the 14th St./8th Ave. ACE/L stop

FOR UPDATES

Check out:

• Wikis Take Manhattan main website

This will have a posting if the event is delayed due to weather or other exigency.

Thanks,

Pharos

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.
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cities subpage

Your subpage User:Renata3/cities is activating a coordinate exception because, somewhere in all those transclusions is a coordinate containing a seconds field of 60 or more. With all the "title" coordinates transcluded together it collectively makes a dark blue "stain" at the top right of that page. Is this page useful? Can it be deactivated? Better yet, figure out how all those articles being transcluded don't themselves become coordinate exceptions. —EncMstr (talk) 23:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Good Evening, please, can you translate in Lithuanian the article Martin Weinek and Kaspar Capparoni? Thanks in advance!

Good evening to you and regards from Campora San Giovanni. I write you regarding the articles of a note police television series: Inspector Rex. For better saying some principal actors of the international series. Martin Weinek and Kaspar Capparoni. Weinek is the veteran of the Austrian series, now real member of the series international, as well as excellent agricultural and theatrical entrepreneur and an experienced wine-grower. Capparoni is the new entry of the series, but he has already worked and he works for international productions and with famous directors, I quote among everybody: Dario Argento. I think that the series will arrive within the winter 2008 thanks also to Rai International, that will be transmitted in 150 countries and in more than 60 languages, among which the Lithuanian. Naturally if you will help me in this, me ricamberò really the favor translating a biography or a geographical article in Italian and Sicilian. In fact on the Italian edition they are biographer and geographer. In attends him of one certain answer of yours I thank you in advance and I greet you from Campora San Giovanni, my village native. Thanks still for the patience and the understanding.--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 14:00, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

Thanks for your help on the Vladas Česiūnas article. It is DYK now. I really appreciate it. Chris (talk) 17:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Request

Your comments, questions, tapdances, etc would be welcome here. Novickas (talk) 13:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Kazys Varnelis

On 2 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kazys Varnelis, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 09:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian minority in Poland

I'm going to remove the phrase prohibition to speak Lithuanian ... (on phone until in the fall of communism in 1990), because it's absurd. I have written about this problem in Talk:Lithuanian minority in Poland and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lithuania. I don't like to start a revert war, but quoting such lies is a bad practice.Xx236 (talk) 09:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC) Would you be so kind to answer me?Xx236 (talk) 06:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

A number of Lithuanian editors is hostile toward me, Polish editors, Polish nation. Recently at least two of them joined the hunt on Piotrus. BTW You also, being very busy, joined the hunt.

The text quoted in the article contains Lithuanian POV and false informations. The author is a Lithuanian acdemician. We have also a number of ignorants and nationalists in Polish universities, but I don't quote them.

My edits in Lithuania related articles are frequently removed by hostile Lithuanian editors. I don't like to start a next revert war. The statement I quoted above is obviously false. If some Lithuanian editors believe any anti-Polish lies, it's their problem. Xx236 (talk) 08:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

To not bash Piotrus if you don't have time and to ask your colleagues to not impose absurd stories in Lithuanian minority in Poland', if you have time.Xx236 (talk) 11:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

ur msg

i wasnt tryin to get

rid of it at all.. i jus dunno how it is to b used properly

Culture of Lithuania

This article is almost finished, but three more sections are needed for the article to be complete. Since I did 1/2 to 2/3 of the article writing, I suggest that $25 to $30 go to the Susan G. Komen Foundation at this link. Thanks. miranda 22:54, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

On removing the information about the Synodik of Liubech

is there any sufficient reason you're removing from the article House of Gediminas (as ed. by 195.182.77.192 at 09:16, 18 October 2007) the information about the Synodik of Liubech, with the reference to R. Zotov's study? you're doing it for the wrong reason if you're doing it only because of your dislike for "Tsarist" historians.

jei jau pačiai taip sunku patikėti, kad "Zadonščinoje" paminėtas Gedimino tėvas "Skalmantas" yra tapatus įv. kt. šaltiniuose minimam "Koma(n)tui"-"Skomantui", o kartu -- ir Gedimino "žento" Andriejaus Mstislavičiaus Kozelskiečio uošviui Gomantui -- tai ir netikėk, tik, būk maloni, laisvu laiku pasiskaityk šį projektą ir pasistenk išsiaiškinti, kurių galų tose taisyklėse, skyr. "When a source is needed" siūloma bibliografiškai grįsti "surprising or apparently important claims not covered by mainstream sources."

enlighten me please on the following: for what a hell the instruction page Wikipedia:When to cite bears the recommendation for citing references relevant to "surprising or apparently important claims not covered by mainstream sources"?// -- Gugutis (talk) 12:25, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

For those of us who have far too many pages on our watchlist, more of us can be helpful when it's in English (notwithstanding you're "not asking for much," if I'm mapping properly into Latvian). :-) PētersV (talk) 16:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Lithuanian kingdom or Lithuanian duchy

Hello,

I have made some editing in the Wikipedia's article about grand duchy of Lithuania. My main goal was to show that the name Grand duchy of Lithuania is a historical mistake. There are two reasons why this mistake appeared: 1. In all time Lithuanians called the country "didi kunigiste Letuvos" somewhere in the 19/20th century the name was changed to 'kunigaikstyste' in order to differ lithuanian word for catholic priest and king. Etimologicaly kunigaikstis is a son of kunigas (small kunigas). In english the son of king according to Anglonas dictionary is duke or prince. 2. In all time in the western europe before the Lublin union Lithuanian kunigas was translated as rex or koenig but not duke or foerst. In order to prove that I am qouting Teutonical - Lithuanian pacts. The Teutonic-Lithuanian pacts are published in Codex Diplom. Lithuan., op. cit., pp. 53-69. The citations from the chronicles are found as follows: 1385 - Annalista Thorunensis: Jagel ducem Lituanorum; Detmar; koninge van Lettowen; Posilge: Jagil, den koning von Littowin - Script. Rer. Pruss., op. cit., vol. III, p. 142. 1399 - Detmar: Coning Witant eder Alexander van Littowen - Scr. Rer. Pruss., vol. III. p.229. 1410 - Magdeburger Schoffenchronik: Wytolde... den koning van Littowen - Scr. Rer. Pruss., vol. III, p.413; Johhan Staindel: Witoldo rege una cum fratre suo rege poloniae - Ibid.,p.419; Wisby Diarium: Witholdum regem Litfanie - Ibid., p.459.. On the other hand all polish - lithuanian pacts after the Lublin union is calling rulers of Lithuania dux but that is explainable by the fact that polishes allways wanted to stress that Lithuania's rulers are vasals of the kings of the Commonwelth so we as historians can't use their documents as something objective.

So to conclude I just want to say that if you are leaving my qoute on the article grand duchy of Lithuania you should also agree to change the articles name in to grand kingdom of Lithuania because kunigas (kauningas), konig, koenig and king are the same origin word with the same meaning - war (kautynes) leader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.60.111.158 (talk) 14:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

if i would

1. I think wikipedia finds real documents more reliable than historitians subjective opinion and the most valuable documents are those that are written by objective authors? As I was saying polish authors at that time were subjective because they were trying to stress Lithuanian rulers as vasals of Commonwelth's kings. So the most objective documents are those from Teutonic ordin because Poland and Teutonics were the western countrys we had the most of contacts with and they shall be trusted as people that had known the sistem of noblemen names of Europe best and this can't be told about slavic countries with wich we also had lots of contacts because they were more asia than western Europe. As I was saying I was qouting not one but at least five different documents. 2. Would u be satisfied if I were to qoute 5 Lithuanian historitians proclaiming the same fact? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.60.111.158 (talk) 08:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

yeah i gues those moreons that were burning Copernicus said the same: all that are doubting bible will burn in hell . as Loyola said: if church tells me that sky is hell and hell is sky i shall not doubt that. thats a real progress spirit... —

But that is what i am talking about. Wikipedia is a colection of already discovered facts and knowledges. But I am qouting well known Lithuanian historitians and well known facts and you disagree with me and rather want to count on historitians that did not do any studies on the subject of Lithuania's grand kingdom's name? I don't understand. As i know in wikipedia all the facts has to be based on original sources and I don't see any qoute from your side about Lithuania's status. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.60.111.158 (talk) 19:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Additional on Poeticbent

Likely largescale copyvio here (or plagiarism). Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 23:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

It's that time of year again

I've created Soviet repressions. Currently, it is just a stub, but it's an important and well-documented topic, so it should have no trouble at all.

You've been working on related topics before — perhaps you'd like to help? Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 17:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

NYC Meetup: You are invited!

New York City Meetup Next: Sunday November 16th, Columbia University area Last: 6/01/2008

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, finalize and approve bylaws, interact with representatives from the Software Freedom Law Center, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the June meeting's minutes and the September meeting's minutes).

We'll also review our recent Wikis Take Manhattan event, and make preparations for our exciting successor Wikipedia Loves Art! bonanza, being planned with the Brooklyn Museum for February.

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.

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Tyszkiewicz

Hello Renata, I have understood that you reversed my indication that Basil Tyszkiewicz-Kalenicki was the great-grandson of Manvydas. Please let me know why you did this (if you was the one who reversed my indication ). I have got proof from GOTHA edition 1855.

All the best, Gabriele Kalenski

You ought to use arguments and not just simply do what ever you want

Why do you keep changing my corections though I have normal arguments and you don't have or don't want to tell them.

word pagan in intolerant term the same as niger. I will qoute contemporary reliogion's dictionary: Most modern Pagan sources interpret the word to have meant "rustic," "hick," or "country bumpkin" -- a pejorative term. The implication was that Christians used the term to ridicule country folk who tenaciously held on to what the Christians considered old-fashioned, outmoded Pagan beliefs. Those in the country were much slower in adopting the new religion of Christianity than were the city folks. They still followed the Greek state religion, Roman state religion, Mithraism, various mystery religions, etc., long after those in urban areas had converted.

So maby we should call them simply "bumpkins" not pagans. Why to bother translating the word to latin? Lets just use english word so that everybody would understand the meaning.

The religion that was used in our region ought to be called aryan because it describes it perfectly. All the aryan (indo-european) tribes used the same religion. Other variant though you will not like it is sarmatian religion. This is the newer theory which is based mostly on Ptolemayes work Cosmographie and Munsters corections and many others not so well known cartographers works. Also on Tacitas' and Herodotus' works. All these sources the region on modern Lithuania Poland Ukraine Belarus Prusia (still occupied by russians and called Kaliningrad for the grory of Slalins' friend general Kalinin) and european Russia call Sarmatia Europea. And though there is still a discusion among historitians was it realy a county most of them agree that it was at least a region with united religion and culture with the religious center in iseland of Rugen (Rugija).

Upcoming ArbCom elections

Hi,

I'm rather unhappy about the sorry list of candidates at Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2008/Candidate_statements. Would you consider running? Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 22:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Could you please explain more fully...

I see you were the one who nominated Asif_Iqbal_(Rochester,_NY) for deletion.

The wikipedia deletion guidelines recommend that those with a concern they consider serious enough to initiate a nomination for deletion leave a good-faith heads-up on the talk page of the contributor who started the article. Could you please explain why you didn't offer me this courtesy? Geo Swan (talk) 05:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I was very disturbed by the reply you left on my talk page. I checked. You had already been an administrator for three months when you nominated that article for deletion. I find your unfamiliarity with the deletion policies very disturbing, given that you were already an administrator.

Just so we are clear on this -- I am assuming you did not intend me to interpret your reply as an apology -- or even an acknowledgment you made a mistake.

When I participate in an {{rfa}} I ask the candidate whether they believe administrators should continue to be obliged to do their best to comply with the wikipedia's civility policies. I ask them to commit themselves to remembering they are human, thus capable of error. I ask them to commit themselves to openly acknowledge mistakes, when they are brought to their attention. Many people, in real life, find acknowledging error difficult. And they find it difficult to acknowledge error in their wikipedia contributions. Some people are so sensitive they regard questions about their statements or action as personal attacks -- without regard to how civilly they are posed. And I am very sorry to report that some wikipedia administrators regard civil questions as personal attacks.

I urge you, in future, to offer acknowledgment of error, when you realize you have committed a lapse. Wikipedia contributors need other contributors to openly acknowledge their lapses. When they don't we have no idea whether they understood they made an lapse, and so will continue to make similar lapses in future. Because administrators have authority regular contributors don't have, the obligation to openly acknowledge their lapses goes double for them. Geo Swan (talk) 13:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Expanding Lithuanian content

Hi you may be interested in monitoring Category:Lithuanian articles needing translation and helping translate content from Lithuanian wikipedia. All help is much appreciated. If you know anybody likely to be interested please let them know. Best Count Blofeld 21:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Location of Lithuania

Dear Renata take a look at CIA World Factbook and see the location of Lithuania. Please do not change the compromised location description. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Eastern-Europe-map2.png —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.153.131.158 (talk) 14:17, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Please help with odd fate of a photo I had shot

Renata, I'm so sorry to hear Wikipedia is losing you - eventhough for time being. If curcumstances permit, please kindly help me/ advise me on a photo of Palanga Airport I myself have shot and submitted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Plq-runway.jpg. It's tagged for speedy deletion. Thanks alot, en:user: Ttk371 (Ttk371 (talk) 21:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC))
Thank you very much for the badly needed rearrangement of the photos! (Ttk371 (talk) 09:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC))

John Wilson (computer programmer) Page Deletion

Sorry to see that you have deleted my recent inclusion but I felt that the details listed were relevant as they gave a background to the person responsible for setting up (and running) Zenobi Software. Therefore I respectfully request that you revoke your deletion.

--ZenobiBalrog (talk) 19:17, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Andrew Leonard Vouillaire Campbell

Dear Renata3

Please advise why such a quick decision has been taken to remove the page? The individual's work is potentially of interest to persons investigating C19th theatre, actors and plays. I am new to Wikipedia and find the approach to the removal of pages interesting. What authority do you have in relation to research interests covering the topic and period to evaluate whether this merits inclusion or not?

Thank you.

(Riley124 (talk) 22:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC))

Re:Image:Islamabad_montage.jpg

Alright, I can make a new montage. I just took the image from Wikipedia so thought it was safe to use. Marsa Lahminal (talk) 09:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

John Wilson (computer programmer) Page Deletion

In regards to "other sources/references", John Wilson has featured in numerous publications. For example : Retrogamer Issue 35: A seven page "Company Profile", Your Sinclair July 1986, Your Sinclair August 1987, Your Sinclair August 1988: D.I.Y. Adventure Guide, Your Sinclair June 1991: YS Beginners Guide To Adventuring and various other issues throughout the existence of the magazine.

Numerous other pieces in Popular Computing Weekly, ZX Monthly, Crash, Your Spectrum and assorted "fanzines" such as Syntax, Red Herring, Adventure Probe, Spellbinder, The Goblin Gazzette and From Beyond.

He(and Zenobi Software) were also nominated for, and awarded, numerous awards in such organisations as "The Adventurers Guild", "The Probe Convention" and "The From Beyond Awards". --ZenobiBalrog (talk) 13:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Bloomfield & Co

Well, I was also thinking in this direction, looking for proof (IPs, wikis in other languages etc) ... but here it is! You've discovered it long time ago! Perhaps it is also time Wikipedia takes some decisive steps with respect to the nobleman who is disrupting the project by using it as a personal playground and even slandering other people recent sock puppet request. --Miacek (talk) 13:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Here we go again. Some month ago, a hoax that had been discovered long time ago but unfortunately not deleted, was re-established by a 'Bloomfield' IP.
The only reason why such piggery could take place, was that an admin did not delete and protect the hoax title (as he/she should have done), but the title was maintained as a re-direct. And the result is that Wikipedia has had an article on an imaginary political party for one month already: Estonian National Movement ... Miacek (talk) 13:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles about yourself

Hi, please stop creating articles about yourself, your family, your hobbies, etc. They do not meet the notability requirements and will be deleted. Renata (talk) 16:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

What the hell: creating articles about yourself, your family, your hobbies??? My last name is Jankauskas and how could my family member be Zurov. I play basketball and how could my hobby be music. I just put stuff that seem inportant to me, on the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trickordeath (talk • contribs) 18:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Anarchism Task Force

Why did you delete the talk page for this project??? Murderbike (talk) 02:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

yeah, sorry, as soon as i wrote i saw what happened. Murderbike (talk) 02:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Revert warring

Can you please explain your threats? I'm only enforcing the Gdańsk vote and I'm womdering why its oucome bothers you so much. Happy editing. Space Cadet (talk) 14:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, why didn'you threat 71.137.196.30? That would be fair, don't you think? Space Cadet (talk) 14:36, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and BTW: I don't edit under other IP's. Please double check before you blosk me for their edits. Thank you. Space Cadet (talk) 14:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Iuga

I'll try sometime, but right now I don't have much spare time to do it. --Alex:D (talk) 14:53, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Here is the exact translation of the original. I left out some unnecessary details, marking them with (...):

The presentation of the less known rulers of Romania begins with Iuga "the Crippled", who ruled over Moldova from November (before 28) 1399 until June (before 29) 1400 [1].

Regarding his origins, it is known that he was the son of Roman I Muşat (1391-1394) and his first wife, a princess of Lithuanian origin, whose name has not been preserved across the centuries, but who originated from Koriatovich family, rulers of Podolia. A proof that his mother was related to them is the fact that he was baptized Iuga (Iurga, Iurg, Iurie), a Ruthenized Lithuanian name (equivalent to that of George), after a stalwart member of the Podolian family: Yuriy [2].

Iuga the Crippled had two good brothers (after both parents): Michael and Stephen (who, under the name of Stephen I, ruled over Moldavia prior to him, between 1394-1399), and two stepbrothers (only after the father): Alexander (the future prince Alexander the Good, ruler of Moldavia between 1400-1432) and "župan" Bogdan [3].

The second spouse of his father (the mother of his stepbrothers) was named Anastasia, being the sister of the Podolian rulers, Yuriy and Theodor Koriatovich, descendants of the Lithuanian princely dynasty of Giedyminowicze (Koriatovich branch) [4]. By his stepmother, but also by his good mother, Iuga the Crippled was related to both Władysław II Jagiełło (Grand Duke of Lithuania, between 1377-1392, and King of Poland from 1386 until 1434), [5] and by Vytautas the Great (Grand Duke of Lithuania, between 1392-1430) [6].

The nickname "the Crippled" (most likely with the meaning of "the Paralityc"), can be found only in the chronicle of Putna Monastery, drafted in the first years of XVIth century [7]. The reason for which he remained in history with this nickname is not known precisely (probably he suffered from a desease which gave him a movement disturbance).

Following the old internal chronicles, it was believed that Iuga the Crippled occupied the throne for two years. Also, a series of allegations were issued about him in the Romanian historiography of the XIX century and even XXth, especially in hypothetical works that had him as a subject. Unfortunately, however, most of them have proved to be unfounded.

An example is his confusing, for a long time, by experts (who had stiff disputes on the subject, more than a century) with Yuriy "Iuga" Koriatovich [9], which, according to the old Lithuanian chronicles, seems to have been called by a noble group hostile to Peter I Muşat (1375-1391), to take over the rule of Moldova (but being ultimately murdered by poisoning exactly by those who asked for his help) [10]. In fact, it was pobably just an intervention (in the autumn of 1377) of the Lithuanians (whose formal suzerainty had been accepted by Peter I, in the early years of his reign, to counter the expansionist tendencies of Hungary) [11], lead by this Yuriy Koriatovich (back then, the ruler of Podolia), in favor of a pretender to the throne of Moldova, descendant from the Drăgoşeşti family.

The pretender was named in a Lithuanian document, dated November 10 1377, as "Giurgiu, voivode of Romanians". He had, because of "unexpected treason" of his people, to leave Moldova and put himself under the protection of duke Władysław Opolczyk, the governor of Halich Ruthenia, appointed by Louis I of Hungary (...) [13].

As a measure of retaliation, in December 1377 took place a Lithuanian expedition, which, according to a chronicle of the Teutonic Order by Johann von Posilge, came out a disaster. They were defeated by the Moldovans and they "brought back only a little of their horses" [14]. Certainly, we can't speak about an effective rule of Yuriy Koriatovich in Moldova, even less in-between 1374-1379, as some historians believed [15].

The context in which Iuga the Crippled mounted the throne is not fully cleared up, even today. This led to many diametrically opposed views and, in most cases, inaccurate [16]. In all likelihood, he became the "prince of Moldova" before the death of his brother Stephen I (from an act issued by Iuga before November 28, 1399, it is known that he no longer lived at that time) [17], who resigned most certainly due to his poor health.

However, according to the document mentioned above, Stephen I ruled for a while along with his brother, even if Iuga had all the power "de jure". Stephen I seconded his brother to the leadership of the state and the ruling of the country, as the document mentions, was guaranteed by the rest of the princely family members: "and to this [ruling] is my fidelity, of Iuga the voivode, the fidelity of my children and the fidelity of Stephen voivode and of his children, the fidelity of his brothers, the fidelity of Alexander [the Good], the fidelity of Bogdan..." [18] (practically by all children resulting from both matrimonial ties contracted by his father, except Michael, who had died in the battle between Lithuanians and Tartars, carried out on 13 August 1398, on the Vorsk river)[19].

Significantly, to understand the situation, is that the document mentions only Stephen and Iuga as voivodes, which means that Iuga the Crippled was crowned before the death of his stepbrother and that the latter didn't leave immediately the political scene.

Stephen I resorted to this political trick, most certainly, just to be able to impose Iuga on the throne (by skipping or forcing the election process held by the nobles), because on that time his sons Stephen and Bogdan (...) [20], were too young (Stephen I married in the summer of 1394) [21] and they were not able to succed him to the throne. The boyars (nobles) had a strong word to say in determining the succession to the throne. (...)

The reign of Iuga was too short to be noted for something in particular. It appears, however, he was a good manager and organizer, he built, among other things, the oldest part of Cetatea Albă fortress [24].

As for the external affairs, Iuga continued the policy of his predecesors, that is, an approach towards Poland and Lithuania, ruled at the time of his reign by Władysław II Jagiełło and Vytautas the Great.

His name appears in the chronicle of Ragusan Giacomo da Pietro Luccari, listed alongside the other voivodes of his countryafter Bogdan I of Moldova (1359-1365): "Laziko, Mussatin, Roman, Stefano ... poi Iuga, Alessandro, Ilia, che rese il Regno feudatario a Poloni, Romano Secondo e Pietro Ciubar". [25]

Contested, from the beginning of his rule, by his smaller stepbrother Alexander, who at the death of their father was a refugee, according to some sources, with Bogdan (the other stepbrother) to Curtea de Argeş [26] (putting it under the protection of Mircea I of Wallachia, ruler of Wallachia between 1386-1418), Iuga the Crippled will loose the power in the time interval between the last document of its reign (28 November 1399) and the first one of Alexander the Good (June 29 1400) [27], in all likelihood in the spring or the first days of the summer of 1400. 23 April 1399, thought by some historians as the beginning of the reign of Alexander the Good, can not be taken into account, because, on 28 November 1399, Iuga was still ruling, the proof being his last document, mentioned above.

Some of the researchers regarded as correct the information provided by the Anonymous chronicle of Moldova, which states that "in the year 6907 (1399 A.D.) April 23, Alexander become the voivode of Moldova and Iuga voivode was taken away by Mircea voivode"[28], and wronlgly assumed that Alexander the Good started his reign on 23 April 1399, (while Iuga have kept the control only over a part of Moldova, considering Alexander as an associate to his throne). [29]

More credible seems to be that, at the time, Alexander revolted against his father's decision to leave the throne to Iuga (of course, Stephen I was already dead at that time, because it is hard to believe that Alexander could have challenged the decision taken by his father as long as he would have been alive), and declared himself as the sole voivode of Moldavia, starting his fight against Iuga. He was not yet anointed and crowned according to tradition (as was his rival), a compulsory procedure in order to become a prince [30]. Of course, is very plausible that Alexander left Moldavia (after April 23 1399 and until the following spring), and went to Wallachia, the neighboring country, to convince prince Mircea to support him politically and militarily in order to obtain the throne of Moldova.

There is also a version that the event took place a year later, on 23 April 1400 [31], when, with the probable help of Mircea I of Wallachia (who wanted an ally in the princely seat of Suceava), Alexander returned to Moldova and defeated Iuga, gaining the power.

Besides, the documents of that time show that Mircea came into Moldova in front of his army, installing Alexander as prince and taking Iuga with him in Wallachia [32] as a hostage, where he will die sometime between 7 January 1403 (when Alexander the Good does not mention him among the "upright defunct rulers before Us") and the year 1407, when the diptych of Bistriţa monastery listed him as deceased [33].

About Iuga the Crippled is known that he was married and had descendants (since in his act of 28 November 1399, talks about "the fidelity of my children") [34], but the name of his wife and sons have remained unknown. Certainly, his funeral was in Wallachia, but the place of his tomb was not identified so far.

Prof. Tiberiu CIOBANU Timişoara

NOTES:

[1] For the establishment of this period, it was taken into account that his last act preserved until today, is dated November 28 1399, and the first preserved act of his successor, Alexander the Good, is signed by him on 29 June 1400, so Iuga the Crippled ruled, roughly, between those dates. (...) There are several variations on the time of his reign: after August 12 1399 - before February 11 1400 (Constantin and Dinu C. Giurescu, "A Short History of Romania", Bucharest, 1977, p. 400 ; Idem, "Istoria românilor din cele mai vechi timpuri până astăzi", Bucureşti, 1975, p. 907); before December 1399 - before 29 June 1400 ("History of Romanians", vol IV, Bucharest, 2001, p. 803) and before November 28 1399 - before 29 June 1400 (Constantin Rezachevici, "The Encyclopedia of the Romanian Rulers. Critical Chronology of the Rulers of Wallachia and Moldavia", vol I, XIVth-XVIth centuries, Bucharest, 2001, p. 466).

I hope this translation is useful. --Alex:D (talk) 20:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

It was not so hard. I used google translate and then I've corrected the mistakes (not so many). --Alex:D (talk) 12:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

And now, for Fvasconcellos' traditional nonsectarian holiday greeting!

Wherever you are, and whether you're celebrating something or not, there is always a reason to spread the holiday spirit! So, may you have a great day, and may all your wishes be fulfilled in 2009! Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:44, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Is this a combination of my Christmas greeting from 2006 and my New Year's greeting from last year? Why, it most certainly is! Hey, if it ain't broke...

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References removals, distortions and attacks

Dear Renata, you have shown interest in the Simon Grunau article. The version now makes it appear, as if Simon Grunau was from Tolkmiecko, Lidzbark Warminski and Frombork referenced by ONE book from 1958, despite all 136 books state differently. You, knowingly or not supported the one book entries from a whole group of people who do "edits" such as the User:156.17.122.152.

User:156,17.122.152 got so emboldened with his removal of references and is now spewing attacks.

editing on same Wikipedia articles like l56.17.

same as 77.13 and 156.17 this Wikipedia User:213.238.121.121 also removes references, so does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/213.238.123.56, who put reference, which is different from his claim,

There are others from the same 77., 213 or 156 ranges messing up articles and putting in false info.

However this 156.17,122.152 person is the most crude attacker and he is not only removing reference and dates, thereby falsifying the Wikipedia article, but he uses offensive abusive language in connection with a 1762 book author - well- read for yourself and see.

Wikipedia’s mediocre quality is not improved by groups constantly inserting false information and by their vicious abusive attacks.

Please advise group, particularly User:156.17.122.152 to stop the unacceptable behavior and attacks. Thank you. An Observer (70.133.78.156 (talk) 22:25, 5 January 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.133.78.156 (talk) 22:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Red Terror on the Amber Coast

Hi Renata, you may be interested in this documentary film stub. Martintg (talk) 23:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Flagged Revs

Hi,

I noticed you voted oppose in the flag revs straw pole and would like to ask if you would mind adding User:Promethean/No to your user or talk page to make your position clear :) - Thanks to Neurolysis for the template   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk) 06:35, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey

Hi, you! Hope your holidays were pleasant :) Belated Laimingu Naujuju Metu - looking forward to your return. Not too cold here, but sninga, sninga, sninga. You got some there too, eh? Iki, Novickas (talk) 12:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, busy one, could you do me a favor? Move Vilnius Metro to Vilnius Tram Project per the UNESCO and Scott Wilson Group references? Novickas (talk) 14:07, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, could you also cure my cold? And move this polar bear mass away from Chicago? Or suggest some stubs/improvements related to Vilnius? Novickas (talk) 21:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Looks like a good idea. Thanks for approving the strategy of staying in bed all day drinking tea, it worked. Re the signatories - it gets a little frustrating trying to figure out what all these political parties and other orgs from their pasts are, so the articles end up being really short stubs, but will do some more anyway. Stay warm, Novickas (talk) 12:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Museum of Genocide Victims. Could you tell me about using photos from Flickr - where, on a F. photo page, do you find the licensing info that lets you use it here? Novickas (talk) 13:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I like the one you put in, thx - re the Flickr photos, I don't know what they are (haven't been there), not entirely comfortable adding captions given that. So please put in any additional photos you like. ALtho it would be nice to have a pic of the building itself. Later, Novickas (talk) 14:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Looks great. OK, so this morning I'm thinking I'll do Kalnu Parkas. Vilnius.lt isn't working here, so can't find basic info (hectares, elderate), but stumble across this hair-raising story [80]. It does have some useful historic background. Also found a couple of sites analyzing squirrel populations and such. But if you could come up with a site or 2 with basic info? Or if you can access this [81] city website and email me the info, that would be great. Have a nice weekend, Novickas (talk) 15:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Thx - stub created Kalnų parkas. Someday the connection to vilnius.lt will succeed in crossing the frozen heartland and will add more. Best, Novickas (talk) 13:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Kalnai Park. Any pix? Novickas (talk) 15:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC) It's really shaping up - cool. I thought I might find enough material to flesh out the other paragraphs, but not so far, so best to combine. Hope since you're working so hard, it's at least interesting/enjoyable/remunerative. Novickas (talk) 02:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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We'll make preparations for our exciting museum photography Wikipedia Loves Art! February bonanza (on Flickr, on Facebook) with Shelley from the Brooklyn Museum and Alex from the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

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I request a deletion review.

I request a deletion review. I wrote earlier: "An article I researched, wrote, and contributed (about 2 years ago) has been deleted. Its title was "Lily Kempson". It was deleted by whom? On what grounds? Why was I not notified?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Junkbakayaro (talk • contribs) 03:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC) It was deleted by Renata3 (talk · contribs) per CSD A7 (article doesn't assert notability of the subject). You can contact the deleting admin on his/her talk page and then ask for a deletion review if necessary. –Capricorn42 (talk) 03:12, 13 January 2009 (UTC) I need to know more specifically why this biography is considered to not be notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Junkbakayaro (talk • contribs) 03:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! deletion

Do you want to explain your deletion of AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!? You marked it as Vandalism, which makes me believe you chose to delete it based on its name. Like many other esoteric programming languages, it has an usual name, but I believe the article makes it clear what the language is and how its comparable to other esoteric languages already on Wikipedia. ScallopMonger (talk) 03:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

So, the page was deleted because of lack of notability. I would argue AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! is as notable as similar esoteric languages that have already have pages -- Whitespace and Chef for instance. If I added more sources, would that help? Thanks. ScallopMonger (talk) 00:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Gershelman

Judging by the thread you referred me to, this has been resolved. Please let me know if there is anything you'd like to have me look into further. (Incidentally, sorry about the late response—I've been away). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:54, January 19, 2009 (UTC)

Heh, compared to −15°F at home, pretty much any place would seem warm :) Regarding Fenga, I have no idea who that is. A did a quick search, and found no leads whatsoever. Sorry!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:56, January 20, 2009 (UTC)

Odd Request

Hello Renata 3, May I quote from your criticism of Britannica's accuracy in a talk I am giving at a conference? I am discussing the promises and perils, more or less, of large-scale "knowledge repository" projects (such as the Mundaneum and Wikipedia). If you'd like to email me for more details, please say so here and I'll give you my email address. I just want to show people an example of good fact-checking of Britannica to make the point that paper encyclopedias are not necessarily more reliable that WP.  J L G 4 1 0 4  03:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!  J L G 4 1 0 4  02:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Cheers

Thanks for undoing the vandalism on my page! QueenCake (talk) 20:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Spamming

I'm not spamming, at least not according to Wikipedia's definition. I'm adding links to videos that contain the materials described in the articles, i.e. recording(s) of the song(s) mentioned in the articles, a video of a tour describing an event detailed in the article, a poem written by a poet who is the subject of the article. I did do a bunch of these today but that's just because the idea came to me and I had time to do it. If you would rather I put them as external links or whatever could you tell me before deleting the links? As for now I'm going to reverse the changes you made. All the best Ikhveysnit (talk) 03:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)ikhveysnit

more socks?

Hi, I think user:AlJoseph and user:ScottishGunner (who you blocked) are the same person. Can you check them out? Thanks,Renata (talk) 12:08, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Renata. I've just taken care of it. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 05:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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Shin Dong Hyuk (human rights proponent) -- deletion

Ok... You advised that I work on the article in my 'userspace' before preparing a full version for wikipedia. no problem. but, i would need to see the source code i used for the page, and the source code i used for the 'talk section'.

Half of the source I code I used on the article page was of my own creation, not from Dong Hyuk Shin's memoirs.

Additionally, the talk-page contained an important set of links that I was using for researching and referencing Dong Hyuk Shin, and also the issues surrounding the North Korean concenteration camp.

I'd appreciate the help. :)

--AlphaFactor (talk) 01:28, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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Re Asthalakshmi temple

i removed the category hindu temple as 1. the main category hindu temple was unnecessarily cluttered with so many individual temples 2. the temple in question is aldready listed in the category hindu temples in andhra pradesh which is a sub category under the main catgory hindu temples, so why the double entry?

(Sidsahu (talk) 06:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC))

thats ok then, thanks for the clarification (Sidsahu (talk) 12:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC))

Mindaugas

Oh, my fault, the phone rang and I answered it, leaving the edit to sit there. Well there is a lot of associated WP material sitting about, trying to incorporate it. Anything you want to do is fine with me. One concrete question, during the 2007 review someone questioned the use of the image "deed to Selonia" - is that OK? Novickas (talk) 15:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC) Also Deacon recommends punting this question to you [82]. No hurry. Novickas (talk) 20:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Re the deed image - I'll ask on COmmons. Re Golar Spirit - I think I've finally figured it out, thanks - I replaced it with another one that was tagged with Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 2.0 Generic. Luckily it's a popular ship. And congrats on H. of G. Later - Novickas (talk) 12:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Renata - since you mentioned help...I'd like to have a note listing his various names over time...For some reason I have the impression that the LT encyclopedia has a short separate piece on that; you have the volume? Could you maybe summarize it here or in the article? Best, Novickas (talk) 17:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC) Yeah, it can wait, thanks :) Novickas (talk) 17:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Thnx..but OMG. It'll be educational. Novickas (talk) 01:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC) Yeah, much more educational than Saturday school was, ZZZZ, we only woke up about twice a year for the really juicy stuff. Anyway, current plan - considerably condense it, put preliminary version here for yr review, and then put it in a note - sound OK? Novickas (talk) 02:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC) You may change yr mind about Saturday school - I now wish I'd done that to my kids. What's one more torture? Altho in their case it would have been two more. Meh, what's a childhood without well-intentioned suffering inflicted by one's parents. Good, we have a plan. Novickas (talk) 02:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Proposed note: Mindaugas was an obscure figure to the western world until the 18th century. His name was variously rendered in historic texts as Mindowe, Mindouwe, Myndow, Myndowe, Myndawe, Mendouwe, Mondouwe, Mindaw, Mendog, Mendolphus, Mondog, Mendoch, and Mindovg, among others. In the early 1900s the Lithuanian linguist Kazimieras Būga proposed his current name, which has since been widely accepted. Novickas (talk) 03:11, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

NO, yes, no YES - you evil woman! Ok, many things could be added, also plenty of time...must say I miss the Mendolphus. Novickas (talk) 23:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Komentaras: lietuvis apie lietuvį su lietuviu šneka angliškai :-) --Bot-iww (talk) 15:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

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Mol-Rib Pact

What's your opinion on matters discussed on talk? Deletions re Poland and other suggestions I made? Do you find them helpful? Do you think you could work this article to FA status? If so, I am willing to help (of course, if you will accept the offer). Renata (talk) 05:18, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I actually haven't looked at the deletions yet, though based on the reasons in the edit summary lines, I think we need to keep in the very summary version of events in the areas of Pact governance, Eastern Europe, during the Pact's operation.

In terms of the edits that stuck, your edits did a great job of cleaning up some sloppy language -- much of which admittedly (and embarrassingly) was my own (but a lot from others' too).

I'm grabbing some cites and clarifications for some of the cite and clarification tags you added, which also seemed pretty on the money. I completely agree that many of these were flat out unclear and/or badly needing of a cite (if true), and almost all of them had been there for a long time (before I started some cleanup on the article). There was quite a bit of this in the article a month back or so and I've been slowly going through it. I have a feeling that, on some Eastern Europe topics, much of the text contains translated versions from other language versions of Wikipedia articles on some topics (most without citations) which may be accurate in substance, but perhaps changes in meaning through the editors' translation.Mosedschurte (talk) 05:31, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Just looked at the deletions. I think summary versions of the actions inside the Pact area during the Pact's operation need to remain, albeit in a very summary form. This is basically what the article does now (e.g., just one line about Auschwitz, which was started a year into the Pact, summary discussions of deportations). There are main and see tags for some of the larger Wikipedia articles covering what occurred, but I don't think, for example, the establishment of Auschwitz, Katyn massacre, deportations, Germanization, sovietization, etc. that occurred during the Pact's operation can be go completely without mention.Mosedschurte (talk) 05:48, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

MRP. Cliff notes

Dear Renata. Sorry for the delay. The brief description of the dispute is on the talk page. --Paul Siebert (talk) 23:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I did not realize that I will be left without internet access for the entire week... stupid hotel does not have a connection. So I am using my phone and I am not really sure it's going to work. So I am sorry, but I will not be able to mediate the dispute or be otherwise involved in MRP editing until Sunday... Renata (talk) 03:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, Renata. On Sunday, I you probably will be able to tell us if there is a life after Internet... :).--Paul Siebert (talk) 03:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Arian/Unitarian

Hi Renata. Actually, the Antitrinitarian denomination in Transylvania has been historically called Unitarian Church (not "Arian church"). Therefore, it is more clear that the word used to refer to Békés' beliefs is "Unitarian" rather than "Arian". Also, it is not clear that Békés was literally an Arian (i.e. that he believed that the Son had been created before the beginning of Time by God but that he was not God Himself), although he was probably called (perhaps derisively?) an Arian by common people simply because he did not believe in the Trinity. --jofframes (talk) 17:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Travis Walton (basketball) Deleted

I was just wondering why you deleted the Travis Walton (basketball) page. I see you've marked it for no meaningful, substantive content and I am confused as to how an article about a basketball player who has been place on nationally recognized all defensive teams and has won multiple awards for a perennial top 15 team got deleted especially considering there are articles about his teammates that pretty much just state they play for MSU (see pages on Idong Ibok, Marquise Gray and Durell Summers). The page I submitted contained information dating back to his sophomore year in high school and continued into this his senior season at MSU. What do I have to add to this page to qualify under your standards? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.74.63 (talk) 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Entire content of Travis Walton (basketball) was: Junior, point gourd. MSU basketball player. Nothing more. In no way that's meaningful or substantive content. Renata (talk) 01:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

First of all, he's a senior and it listed multiple awards he has won (first team All-State Honoree, Greater Buckeye League Player of the Year, Big Ten All-Defensive Team, collegeinsider.com Defensive All-America Team, John E. Benington Best Defensive Player Award, Stephen G. Scofes Inspirational Player Award and Antonio Smith Glue and Guts Award), it listed him as a three time team co-captain, and it notes that he is 9th on MSU's career assist list. Once again I'll ask what more needs to be included to meet your standards? You still haven't given me one piece of constructive criticism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.74.63 (talk) 01:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think you understand. The article that I deleted had 6 words in it (that I copied above in italics). There was absolutely nothing else. It mentioned nothing about his awards, team, achievements, etc. You are either talking about a different article or you did not save the full version. BTW, these are not "my" standards, but Wikipedia's. Renata (talk) 01:52, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

The article that I thought I submitted read something like this: Travis Walton (born August 24, 1987) is a collegiate basketball player for the Michigan State Spartans. Walton is know for his tenacious play on the defensive end, often matching up against the oppositions best player. He is currently ninth all-time at MSU in career assists with 428. If Michigan State fails to reach the Final Four this year he will be the first player to have stayed for his entire collegiate career without playing in a Final Four under Tom Izzo.

High school career

He attended High School at Lima Senior where he averaged 20 points, 6 rebounds and 5 assists as a Senior. He was the 2005 Northwest Ohio Player of the Year, and a first team All-State Honoree. As a Junior he averaged 20.8 points, a team-best 2.7 assists and 6.2 rebounds while leading his team to an 18-5 record and a Greater Buckeye League championship. He was also named the Greater Buckeye League Player of the Year. His Sophomore season Walton averaged 16.5 points, 5.7 rebounds and 3.3 assists.

College career

Walton saw playing time in all 34 of Michigan State's games his Freshman year averaging 18.7 minutes per game off the bench. Despite being used mainly in a reserve roll Walton finished second on the team in steals. During his Sophomore season Walton was named a team co-captain and was the only Spartan to start all 35 games. He was named to the Big Ten All-Defensive Team and the collegeinsider.com Defensive All-America Team. He was also the recipient of MSU's John E. Benington Best Defensive Player Award, Stephen G. Scofes Inspirational Player Award and Antonio Smith Glue and Guts Award as voted on by his teammates. He also led MSU with 191 assists (5.5 apg), ranked second in the Big Ten in assists per game, and third in the conference with a 2.22 assist-to-turnover ratio. In his Junior campaign Walton was again named a co-captain while appearing in 36 games. He was named to the All-Big Ten Defensive Team as an honoree while ranking second in the Big Ten in assists (4.33 apg) and assist-to-turnover ratio (2.40). In conference games he ranked second in the league in assists (4.17 apg) and assist-to-turnover ratio (2.21). He was again the recipient of MSU's John E. Benington Best Defensive Player Award, the Antonio Smith Glue and Guts Award, and the Stephen G. Scofes Inspirational Player Award. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.74.63 (talk) 03:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Nope, that's not what got deleted. You probably did not save it. BTW, please cite your sources and try to avoid sounding like an advertising. Remember, Wikipedia follows neutral language policies. Meaning it cannot be all good (praises) or all bad (criticism). Good luck, Renata (talk) 03:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Pomeranian Balts

Maybe you have thoughts on this: User_talk:Novickas#Balts_in_Pomerania

I'd appreciate a response, but I am aware of the "busy" template on your user page. Skäpperöd (talk) 15:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Fine with me, thanks a lot Skäpperöd (talk) 09:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Dear Renata, I appreciate you intervention into the discussion. We definitely need in a third opinion to resolve the problem. Thank you very much.
Best regards,
--Paul Siebert (talk) 03:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

More modest proposal

What say we work on getting Lithuanian press ban to GA, and ask for that to be listed on April 24th? Novickas (talk) 13:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC) I was thinking of that sidebar "On this day..." - having clicked on some of today's they don't seem to be FAs. Re sources - it's pretty well sourced already, can cough up a few more. Novickas (talk) 14:14, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

It's not so much that I'm sick of Mindaugas - it's more that FA is, shall we say, very demanding. You have to be on it constantly for at least a week - I'll probably never be able to commit to that. No amount of previous peer reviews is a guarantee there. The odds are good that during any given week things will come up that are more important to me, and then foom- comes a terse notice that it's been taken off. I don't mind telling my boss that my father's in the hospital again, but the whole world? No. Not that it isn't close to FA. There are gaps in the historiography - that one interwar source is good - but Soviet era? So I guess I'm not ruling it out...if you feel that you have the FA cojones and can commit to a solid week...and it's probably good to line up a couple other people... but in the meantime maybe I'll ask the M. reviewer to take a look at LT P.B. Best, Novickas (talk) 15:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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re: Revert of vandalism removal

Whoa, I don't know what happened. I think I had another tab open with vandalism on a different page from a similar IP, and I lost track. Thanks for the heads up. Belasted (talk) 21:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, it looks like you reinserted vandalism. I don't know why, but the revision history of Lithuania seems to show the opposite thing each time I look at it. I can't tell WHO's vandalizing! Ugh... Belasted (talk) 21:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Category:Articles needing translation from Lithuanian Wikipedia

Hi just to let you know there are some new stubs on painters that need translation from Lithuanian. Your help is needed! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 15:59, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Forest brothers

I see your point. It may be confusing. However, it's only the lack of data in the article. The Estonian insurgents in 1940-1941 called themselves and were widely known as Forest Brothers. The post-war Forest Brothers were fighting for the same cause against the same enemy as the pre-war forest brothers and largely consisted in the people who had been fighting under the name already in 1941. So in the Estonian case, Forest Brothers is the only correct term for the 1941 insurgents. --Erikupoeg (talk) 21:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Please take a look at this. --Erikupoeg (talk) 06:30, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Press ban

Hello, could you take a look at press ban. I have troubles to finding ref for the Seeing that the Lithuanian people were unwilling to accept these, perhaps you will remember exact source. M.K. (talk) 18:26, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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Help needed

Could you please express your opinion about be-x-old:Удзельнік:Шаблёны/Вільня наша! (nominated for deletion)? Thank you. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 16:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you are correct in understanding. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 01:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

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Vytautas or Vytautas the Great

I'm a bit confused, when was it moved?--Lokyz (talk) 17:55, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Please respond about deleting article 'LLBLGen Pro'

Hi,

You deleted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LLBLGen_Pro

as the developer of 'LLBLGen Pro' I'd like to know why you deleted that article (which we as a company didn't create btw). The reason I ask this is that wikipedia articles about competing commercial O/R mappers for .NET are still left alone on Wikipedia, and if our article is deleted, it seems as if LLBLGen Pro is dead, which is absolutely not the case (on the contrary).

You could reply to my talkpage (Otis Inf (talk) 13:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC)) or preferred send a small email to frans AT sd DOT nl.

We otherwise would replace the deleted article with a new piece of text which is both redundant (as the deleted article already contains proper text) and would undo your delete action, hence my question.

Thanks for your time.

Best regards,

Frans Bouma
Lead developer LLBLGen Pro
http://www.llblgen.com

Re: Please respond about deleting article 'LLBLGen Pro'

Just because something exists is not enough to include an article about it on Wikipedia. That something needs to be written about in thrid-party independent sources (TV, magazines, newspapers, books, etc).

It's been mentioned in various books about .NET, ADO.NET (Pro ADO.NET 2.0), Linq (Linq in Action), C# etc. and various .NET magazines (VS.NET magazine, DOTNet Pro (german) in the last 7 years. Do I have to name every reference? We didn't check the article regularly as we didn't write it to begin with. We got notified by a customer that the article was deleted. While I can imagine sometimes articles have to be deleted, it's a bit of a bummer that competing products still have their products mentioned here, while our product's article got deleted. (btw, it's linked to by the article about LLBLGen here at wikipedia, which is an open source version of our earlier code generator). I then wonder: is this simply an action of a competitor? Why are the the articles of the competition still left alone? :)

If you can't / want to restore the article, we'll replace it with a new piece of text. As said, that's a bit of a redundant action because the article was already there.

Frans Bouma (Otis Inf (talk) 14:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC))

Re: Please respond about deleting article 'LLBLGen Pro'

You don't have to name every reference, but the article as it was before had none. If you plan to re-create the article, please cite your references (see WP:CITE on how to do it) and please mind neutral point of view (ie don't sound like an advertising boasting your product as the best thing on earth since sliced bread -- include all sides: the good, the bad, and the ugly). Please see guidelines on [WP:COI|coflict of interest]] as creating articles about yourself, your firm, your product, etc. is gnerally discouraged as it rarely mananges to be balanced and neutral.

Yes, I understand, hence my request for the original (as we didn't write it). I did some digging after my last talk on your talk page and it seems all other competitors which are commercial are deleted already so the necessity to resurrect the original article isn't really there. I fully agree with what you said in the above quote about neutrality and in general I don't want commercial stuff here as well, it's just if our competitors are here and we aren't, it gives a message we don't want. As the rest isn't here as well anymore, us having an article here is therefore not really necessary anymore. Thanks for your time and the references.

FB (Otis Inf (talk) 15:32, 17 April 2009 (UTC))

On removing the information about the Synodik of Liubech

Tell me, is there any sufficient reason you're removing from House of Gediminas (as ed. by 195.182.77.192 at 09:16, 18 October 2007) the information about the Synodik of Liubech, with the reference to Rafail Zotov's study? //You're doing it for the wrong reason if you're doing it merely because of your dislike for "Tsarist" historians...//

And enlighten me please on the following: for what a hell the instruction page Wikipedia:When to cite bears the recommendation for citing references relevant to "surprising or apparently important claims not covered by mainstream sources"? -- Gugutis (talk) 13:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Quick question

Hey, I have q. regarding copyright. I would like to upload the document image which was created by US Department of State in 1940, now is in US National Archives. And the source from there it taken is ‘Baltic question during the Cold War' ISBN:0-415-37100-7. As the picture is original created by US government it is in DP, but that tag I should use.? M.K. (talk) 08:32, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, M.K. (talk) 09:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

BTW, Ultimatums to the Baltic governments on LT side has one red link, perhaps would will take that one (taking into consideration this)? M.K. (talk) 18:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Another btw, perhaps you have a picture of million signatures delivered to Harding by America-Lithuanians for the de jure recognition? My scanner is out of order :( M.K. (talk) 09:40, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

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Category:Homophobia in LGBT rights in Lithuania

Why did you revert the categorization? It fits Category:Homophobia's criteria, being a topic especially associated with homophobia, given Lithuania's reported reputation as having the lowest LGBT rights record in the European Union. Mainstream LGBT news sources like Pink News and 365gay have been steadily reporting on the situation of LGBT human rights and homophobia in Lithuanian politics and society for years now. Until it becomes a less notable subject, Lithuania is of great interest to studies of LGBT issues in the today's world, as are LGBT rights in other reported flashpoint regions like Iran, Jamaica, Nigeria and Uganda. Do you think the categorization is contextually misapplied? - Gilgamesh (talk) 09:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Zirmunai

I moved that further down.

User:Lho

It seems that your notification has been deleted. In any case, User:Lho is a SP of User:Nyo, an italian user that wrote tons of pages on paganism (blocked infinite on several wikis).

It has been banned on it.wiki due to the frequent edit wars made with a catholic user. These are the incident notifications he suffered on it.wiki. A voting decided for 6 month of ban, transformed into infinite due to the block escape via SPs.

I suppose that all the user subpages must be deleted, but I don't know en.wiki rules. We, on it.wiki, delete the banned subpages.

I never follow my watchlist on en.wiki, so if your notification has been reopened let me know on my italian talk. Bye Jalo 15:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Move

Hey, could you move this to its permanent location? Thanks, M.K. (talk) 14:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Could you offer an advice with how to proceed with Welles article. Particular problems causing Executive Orders, we not very satisfied with their placement in the article. Any insight is welcome. M.K. (talk) 10:36, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi!

Hi Renata, how are you? Long time no see. Are you done and coming back? Novickas (talk) 15:36, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, congratulations :) and sorry about the family drama :( It'll be so nice to have you back - I haven't felt creative at all lately and have been doing mostly drive-by editing. Happy June! Novickas (talk) 16:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Lithuania

Why did you revert? Do you really mean that a foreign region (Prussian Lithuania, called Lituania Minor in Lithuania) which belonged to German East-Prussia and has always been outside of the Lithuanian border is belonging to Lithuania??? -- Kaubri (talk) 23:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Sofija Pšibiliauskienė

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DYK for Marija Lastauskienė

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Very nice, thanks! Novickas (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Jogaila birthdate

I corrected the estimated birthdate to 1362, especially since the source for it is provided in the article. We could perhaps settle on something like 1352/1362, which I think is most accurate, but anything earlier is simply incorrect. Moxica36 (talk) 16:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Gabrielė Petkevičaitė-Bitė

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DYK for Tautiška giesmė

This article hasn't been expanded at all in the last 5 days and so is not suitable for a DYK. Smartse (talk) 15:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Ignore the above message; the editor apparently was looking at the wrong article. But I have raised some other questions about your nomination Varpas, so please take a look when you have time. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Zebras

The title comes from a phrase used in the episode. In the beginning, Stucker says some conspiracy theories for how the victim died, and Stablers and Benson says he is hearing zebras. They explain it means when you hear hoofbeats in Central Park, you shouldn't think zebras; this means most of the time, the most likely explanation is the correct one (i.e., it's probably horses in central park, not zebras). At the end, when Stuckey turns out to be the killer instead of the more likely suspect (Harrison), Stuckey describes himself as a "zebra" in a reference to that earlier phrase. This probably ought to be mentioned in the article somewhere, although I guess I need a source to cite it to... — Hunter Kahn _(c) 03:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Varpas

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Jolly Janner 17:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Bloom's spring semester

Hi-ho, hi-ho, Trubetsky's spamming here we go. You might want to comment on this 'article'. --Miacek (t) 12:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Lithuania

Despite the fact that LGBT sections are not standard on country pages, does that mean that they may not be included? Are we using a standard template for such pages or is there an element of discretion? It seems reasonable to me to cover the issue if we're going to cover other minority interests such as religion and sport.

Incidentally I would rather we discuss this on the article talk page rather than bringing it to individual talk pages - it is not a dispute amongst ourselves. I'm also frankly disappointed that as a wikipedia administrator you sought to delete the text without justifying or explaining first. We should aim for transparent decision-making at all times. Contaldo80 (talk) 10:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Uprising

Fine, will do. But I don't completely understand this part of the template: "You are welcome to assist in its construction by editing it as well". Dr. Dan (talk) 03:16, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for People's Parliament

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DYK for 1940 Soviet ultimatum to Lithuania

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My user page

Were you aware that User:220.245.248.12 copied your user page onto mine on 30th January 2009? I just reported it at help desk, and apparently 220 etc was naughty and got slapped for it. The page can be seen via the contributions page of 220 etc, 30th January. Would be interested to hear from you, as I have been having trouble with 220 and what I think is his other guise, User:206.197.59.9.

Sardaka (talk) 09:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:LithuanianSurname

Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_July_22#Template:LithuanianSurname. People just love to delete something without replacing with something equally useful. I think I will abandon working with surnames. Whatever will be, no worth wasting the nerve energy. If anyone is willing to carry on my microWikiProject, one may copy the list of unprocessed Lithuanian surnames from User:Altenmann/L - Altenmann >t 01:28, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Congrats

...on the Audit Committee appointment, and thanks for your ongoing serious LT content contributions. Regards, Novickas (talk) 22:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Now, how you can you call helping manage the wiki-$$ no big deal? Re article, I'm really uncreative right now, trying to stay on the horse by doing gnomish stuff and drive-bys. It's full of useful info, I learned a lot, will poke around in it shortly - comments there. Later, Novickas (talk) 14:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Just to let you know - still reading around, in the state of confusion that sometimes precedes a breakthru and sometimes leads to paralysis. Hope you don't mind if I use the cite-book-with-url reference style at some points. I've gotten to be quite the fan of this procedure - possibly because of past disputes - and if I were the reviewer, I'd appreciate a quick-and-easy way of confirming some of the more sweeping statements that to my mind would be useful for the general reader. I.e. more views on the S. motivation for it all, SU remained wary after the pact, saw the Baltic states as a buffer zone [83], [84], there's more) Best, Novickas (talk) 22:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Glad to hear that. Intro para on the way. Novickas (talk) 23:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Knock, knock. Could you review its current state? I think the lead could use some tweaking but since IMO it's basically fine that could wait till teh very end. Re other impact sources - to me it seems you've already covered the most important points, except for one: that its status as an occupation remains disputed between the two countries. Willing to add that, just looking for the best possible source. Viso gero, Novickas (talk) 20:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Ack, teh rules. Hard! In at least one of the examples you mention (Smith, (the) Prime Minister in June 1940, announced that...) it isn't really necessary. FWIW there weren't any egregious examples of the lack of the's in the article, I'd say you have it down. But you know many copyeditors, given free rein, will do major rewording, that includes me. Took a copyediting seminar once and the instructor said we must learn grammatical rules, not just know them, but I never did do that. Anyway, glad you like the article (!) so far. Novickas (talk) 17:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

To me it looks ready for GA nomination. But we may be going on vacation next week, so I wouldn't want to be the nominator now. Later, Novickas (talk) 16:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, not saying it's not ready or that you shouldn't nominate it - just that I wouldn't feel comfortable nomming it myself, since as much as I like it, there're always some questions and I'd feel bad if I nommed it and then took off. The vacation and its destination are up in the air, literally if we consider some stormchasing. Pics, good idea. Vėliau, Novickas (talk) 17:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Vacation was postponed. So... the knyg category? Novickas (talk) 17:22, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Category help needed

Help! While looking at Motiejus Valančius I saw he wasn't in a Knyg. category so I created Category:Knygnešiai, not realizing there was already Category:Lithuanian Knygnešiai. Now what to do – could you delete one or the other? What I'd like to do is create Category:Lithuanian-language activists under Category:Language activists, since the latter looks reasonably well-populated, and put whichever of the two Knyg. category is kept under that. Iki, Novickas (talk) 21:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi R - I think your proposed Lithuanian book smugglers is the best bet - it shows up in a good number of EN Ghits. [85] Have saved the names of people in the existing categories and will transfer them to the new cat if you delete the two existing knyg. cats. Thanks, Novickas (talk) 16:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Lithuanian book smugglers, please, thank you very much. Novickas (talk) 17:53, 3 August 2009 (UTC) Great. I put it under Lithuanian-language activists, which went under Language activists. Believe they're all re-catted based on a what links here search done last week and again today. Sorry yr connection is slow. Later, Novickas (talk) 19:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

endash in headings

I was wondering the endashk rule. I have created the page Franco–British plans for intervention in the Winter War. Should it also had only - , not – ? Peltimikko (talk) 04:44, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Maišiagala

Hello! Your submission of Maišiagala at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 07:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Erdvilas

Вы случаем русским не владеете? Тогда я бы смог всё предельно доходчиво объснить. Azgar (talk) 16:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

No, no, no. I'm going to try to explain this idea to you. Do you good in mongols invation history? What did mongols (usualy they called tartars) do with cities? They burned it! And what about the ashes stratum? Archaeologist can see was this city ever burned or not. Using stratigraphycal method, we can even say when this city was burned! Bus the is no ashes stratum in the middle of the XIII century in such cities as Hrodna, Novohrodek, Volkovysk and others. It all means, that Black Rutenia has never been invated by mongols. If the were no mongols, it's also mean, that Erdvilas can't conqure this land. P.S. This theory was proved by some great archaeologist (for example by F.D. Gurevich). Say if you understood me (because of my germinal english). Azgar (talk). —Preceding undated comment added 17:25, 9 August 2009 (UTC).

• Yes, of course. It was just a small remark. To understand it completely (like a science theory), you need to read some special literature. Unfortunately, I don't know such literature in English or Lithuanian languages. You can try search on Google books or elsewhere. About Erdvilas. When you read this article, it may seems to you, that this "theory" is supported even by some of the authorities. Could you rewrite related articles in not so marginal way? Lithuanian friends occasionally forget that Black Rutenia has never been conquered by Union of Mongolian. Best regards, Azgar (talk) 13:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC).

Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki/Lithuanian

Your help is needed to list missing articles! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:34, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Awesome job on Maišiagala BTW. I'll get around to starting all the towns sometime. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Maišiagala

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Re: Published author

LOL indeed, and thanks :) PS. While the description lists what looks like our Wikipedia articles, I am not seeing any information about their source being Wikipedia, nor about them using a free licence...? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I think we should report it to a wider forum for community discussion, this may interest the wider community. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Metropolitanate of Lithuania

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WP:DYK 14:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

A bit rude

This was. Please incorporate my copy editing changes back. Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

My bad - I must have clicked the page seconds after your edit and didn't see it at all. But you should've been aware of my changes, so I am afraid that your edit is indeed a bit rude :( PS. I've added sources for jailing/executions of Polish prisoners during Nazi and Soviet reoccupation times. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:40, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Invasion of Bloomfield?

Sorry to bother you with this once again - there is a new family of socks on Estonia-related topics. I am not sure if they are yet another of incarnation of Bloomfield (talk · contribs)/Tõnu Trubetsky or unrelated to him. Editing style seems to be similar to Bloomifeld, handling of the topics as well - but topics themselves only to some extent.

1. Urbanturm (talk · contribs)
2. Delay_2_Brick (talk · contribs)
3. Lode_&_Lode (talk · contribs)
4. Briephsmile (talk · contribs)
5. Addedpeass (talk · contribs)
6. Nationalist_555 (talk · contribs)

What to do about them?

-- Sander Säde 10:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I decided to file a report, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Bloomfield. --Sander Säde 11:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I marked all the articles and categories for speedy yesterday - except Polizei-Bataillon 33, which had a nice rewrite by Martintg - and it seems they were deleted overnight. However, I am fairly sure there will be more articles from Bloomfield very soon - thankfully they are easy to find, as they inevitably show up in User:AlexNewArtBot/EstoniaSearchResult and/or my WikiProject Estonia article checker ([86]). --Sander Säde 08:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

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Altering the edit page message boxes

Thought you'd be interested in this. I've also submitted an idea much closer to yours to the Wikipedia Usability Initiative here. If you were to choose to share your veiws on either or both pages, that'd be great :) -- Anxietycello (talk) 17:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

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Hey Renata3

First of all I want to thank you for the many artickles you made on Lituania, they are very informative, and as I try to fill out holes on Lituania in da:Wiki, it is very comftable to have your artickles as source for translation.
I made translation of your Municipalities and Counties in Lithuania, and just wonder if you have plans to look at Elderrates in Lithuania, I think it needs a brushup, so it gets as informative as the two you made?
At the same, I would like to ask you, about the historical/etnographic regions in Lithuania. I wonder if the informations f.ex. on the Trakai artickle are correct: there it says:Trakai is part of the Aukštaitija region, but according to this map [87] it is part of Suvalkia region, which is correct?
I would like to know before I put the region in on all Municipalities!--PerV (talk) 07:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)--PerV (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

would you please answer me concerning the Elderates, will you brush it up, or should I translate it as it is?--PerV (talk) 21:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Email

Hi there. I just sent you an email. Amsaim (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Please respond about deleting article 'LLBLGen Pro'

(please read also the earlier exchange of comments earlier on this talk page). I saw in the [List of object-relational mapping software] under '.NET', that many commercial O/R mapper tools (thus competitors of ours) have commercial pages on wikipedia, and our article (which we didn't write, as I explained earlier) was the only one was was deleted. Either remove all commercial articles, or leave them all. As I asked you earlier, we really would like to have the original back up so we can adjust it so for example it doesn't violate any rules (however many commercal O/R mapper tool pages here on wikipedia do violate the same rules you used to take down the article about LLBLGen Pro).

It now looks like there are double standards.

FB Otis Inf (talk) 12:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikis Take Manhattan

WHAT Wikis Take Manhattan is a scavenger hunt and free content photography contest aimed at illustrating Wikipedia and StreetsWiki articles covering sites and street features in Manhattan and across the five boroughs of New York City.

LAST YEAR'S EVENT

• Wikipedia:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Fall 2008 (a description of the results, and the uploading party)
• Commons:Wikis Take Manhattan (our cool team galleries)
• Streetfilms: Wikis Take Manhattan (our awesome video)

WINNINGS? The first prize winning team members will get Eye-Fi Share cards, which automatically upload photos from your camera to your computer and to sites like Flickr. And there will also be cool prizes for other top scorers.

WHEN The hunt will take place Saturday, October 10th from 1:00pm to 6:30pm, followed by prizes and celebration.

WHO All Wikipedians and non-Wikipedians are invited to participate in team of up to three (no special knowledge is required at all, just a digital camera and a love of the city). Bring a friend (or two)!

REGISTER The proper place to register your team is here. It's also perfectly possible to register on the day of when you get there, but it will be slightly easier for us if you register beforehand.

WHERE Participants can begin the hunt from either of two locations: one at Columbia University (at the sundial on college walk) and one at The Open Planning Project's fantastic new event space nestled between Chinatown and SoHo. Everyone will end at The Open Planning Project:

• Wikis Take Manhattan page at The Open Planning Project

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Why was the article on the Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship deleted?

I am new and was wondering why the article about the Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship was deleted. I would grateful for the information. Jay KV (talk) 06:10, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Why did you remove the pronunciation update of Egle?

If it's incorrect, then why not correct it? Thank you!

PS: I was going to update it again with international vowels, but I'll wait a bit for your response...

HiTechHiTouch (talk) 19:58, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

GAN for Suwałki Agreement

Piotrus asked me to let you know that I've completed the GAN review of the above article. I've put the nomination on hold for seven days to allow the issues to be addressed. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, here, or on the article talk page with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:46, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Just keep me informed, that's all. As long as it doesn't take months, I'm not going to worry too much about an extension. Ealdgyth - Talk 02:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

re:Implicit vs explicit

The treaty says what is says, which is very little. It was interpreted as implicitly saying more by Lithuanian diplomacy. Polish side disagreed with such implicit interpretations. This is of course something that should be (and I think is) noted in the article. But our personal opinion which side was right is irrelevant. PS. And to a certain degree, both were, since implicit interpretation is rather subjective. Lithuanians had a different interpretation of the spirit of the treaty than Poles, who were sticking much closer to the letter of it. Lithuanians thought they were wrong later, because their implicit assumptions were violated; Poles were surprised as they had no such assumptions and hence saw no violation of the letter of the treaty. Both sides argued and it seems keep arguing they were right... and I don't think we can easily say that any of them was right or wrong. Like most of history, it is all gray, not white and black.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. We can attribute it to him, but he is hardly a reliable source on the interpretation of the treaty. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 04:43, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Arvydas Pocius

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Actor Rebellion of 1733

I have made substantial changes along with fixes of just about every point of concern in regards to Actor Rebellion of 1733. Is there anything left that I have missed? Ottava Rima (talk) 04:57, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Updated with fixes and three explanations on items that cannot be altered/further explained due to limited sources. Ottava Rima (talk) 04:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I missed the incomplete sentence but it is now fixed - I left out Daily Post after the date. By the way, the sections you quoted from google happened to be those I could not find as "available". An odd feature for limited view (the change in who gets to see what). On the flu aspect - I am curious as to why the Battestins left "flu" out (they just say "an epidemic"). It is an odd thing to do, especially since there were various plagues that hit London along with other problems as a possibility without their specifying (TB, Scarlett fever, poxes, etc). Regardless, thanks for finding specifics. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words. I actually listed the Actor Rebellion at GAN so I could work on it in order to organize my thoughts for The Actor's Farce, which has some close connections to the rebellion (and sources tend to talk about both together). Two birds and one stone, I guess. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Deleting Page

hi, I have noticed that you have deleted the of Dr. Naveed Iqbal. Was there any particular reason? If so, please explain. Also, if you think that the page had such no references, I would happy to provide you a links of the artcile. The reason I am telling you this is because I am considering of creating his page one more time. If you have any objection, please let me know as quickly as possible. Thank you!

Sincerly,

Wikipedia Contributor. XXX

R. Paksas

Gerb. Renata, Prašome neredaguoti Rolando Pakso en Vikipedijos puslapio, mes jį tvarkome ir taisome p. Pakso nurodymu, būtu paranku gauti jūsų e-meilą ar numerį, nes norėtume po pataisymų puslapį užrakinti.-> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaalliant (talk • contribs) 10:40, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Images

Gerb. Renata, Kiek aš supratau, "non-free promotional" paveikslėliai gali būti naudojami tik tuo atveju, kai nėra nemokamos alternatyvos, pvz tokios kaip Creative Commons. Mūsų įdėtų medalių nuotraukų nemokamų alternatyvų nėra, todėl jas ir įkėliau su tokia licenzija. Ar aš kažką ne taip supratau? User_talk:Germantas —Preceding undated comment added 19:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC).

Images

Gerb, Renata,

Mačiau, kad ištrynėte visas nuotraukas išsaulės Šiaulių mūšio traipsnio. Tai kokia turite nemokama iliustracijos alternatyvą vaizduojančią Saulės mūšį? Liko tai tik žemėlapis kur pažymėta mūšio vieta... Pagarbiai, User_talk:Germantas —Preceding undated comment added 05:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC).

Reiskias yra dvi iseitys tik : susisiekti su taisykliu kureju ir paraginti, kad jas pakoreguotu, arba prie straipsnio prideti nuoroda i konkretu darba susijusi siu tuo straipsniu. Gal zinote kas atsakingas uz tu taisykliu kurima/redagavima? kazkoks turi buti main adminas ar kazkas panasaus.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Germantas (talk • contribs) 06:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Source question

Hey. Glad Oct 15th is history now? The question is this, are all websites that go city.lt, e.g. Garliava.lt [88], official govt sites? They'd be really useful if they were. Hope you get some fresh air, Novickas (talk) 22:48, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Well that's good news, thanks. Will add as ref to various articles. Later, Novickas (talk) 00:57, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

LITHCLEAN bot question

Hi R - this page seems to be under partial bot control. How often does it run? Triggered manually or automatically? Percentages updated manually/womanually or automatically? Don't want to waste effort updating entries there if not necessary. No hurry, Novickas (talk) 15:22, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, will be patient, it's long term. Novickas (talk) 21:29, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe not so long term given the BLP brouhaha. Would you be willing to contact the people who're creating project-based totally-unsourced-BLP reports to create a page for the LT project? Novickas (talk) 19:24, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Their gain, our loss :( I'll keep an eye on developments, probably the bot-assisted parts will get streamlined. The situation at LITH doesn't actually look too bad. Take care, Novickas (talk) 18:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

LITH not so bad, yay! We need to strain some obscure muscles by patting ourselves on our backs. Also when you have time pls remind me why we should care about WP. Novickas (talk) 22:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Prod'ing

Was way off my radar screen. Improvements long overdue. Perhaps we can get the production company to list on IMDB, there's certainly enough mention of the movie to be found.  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  04:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Listing in the IMDB does not confer notability, it is just a tool to assist in finding information like reviews, etc. --Martintg (talk) 08:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Another GA?

Shame Suwałki Agreement failed, but I think it could be renominated soon; hopefully it will be more stable this time. What about Talk:1919 Polish coup d'état attempt in Lithuania#GA class? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:44, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Karaite Judaism in WP:Lithuania

Why did you remove the article about Karaite Judaism from the Lithuania WikiProject? The Karaim are an ethnic minority that have lived in Lithuania since medieval times and practice this religion. Lithuanian Karaites have their own traditions that express their Lithuanian-ness, such as building 3 windowed houses (one of the windows represents Grand-duke Vytautas, who allowed them to live in the country). Lithuanian Karaite contributions to world culture include the classic book _Chizzuk Emunah_ (_Faith Strengthened_) by Isaac ben Abraham of Trakai, a rationalistic argument that Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies outlined in the Christian Old Testament and that later Christianity made major departures from original Christianity. Isaac ben Abraham's book was praised by Voltaire and used by Enlightenment thinkers as a rallying point for secularism. It is still considered one of the great works of Jewish counter-missionary literature. Thus, I felt the article about Karaite Judaism belonged in WP:Lithuania, as Karaite Judaism is an interesting aspect of the country's culture and history. --AFriedman (talk) 19:26, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Here, I disagree--I think articles that discuss important aspects of Lithuanian culture are in the scope of WP Lithuania. This would include articles about a particular religion, including basic articles about Roman Catholicism (the majority religion of the country). The article about Lithuanian Jews is already in WikiProject Lithuania. On a related note, do you think the article about Crimean Karaites, who have an important population in Lithuania, belongs in this WikiProject? --AFriedman (talk) 21:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Lithuanian naval vessel categories?

Could you, perhaps, give me some background on your 1 November re-categorization of Flyvefisken class patrol vessel, HDMS Flyvefisken (P550), Grisha class corvette, and Vidar class minesweeper, which removed Lithuanian naval ship categories? I'm also curious about the almost simultaneous deletion of the newly emptied categories. Your edit summaries for the category deletions (from the deletion logs) indicate that you were claiming criterion C1 for unpopulated categories, but this is, according to the criterion itself, for categories "that have been unpopulated for at least four days". While continuing to assume good faith, I can't help but note that many of these were empty less than four minutes (much less hours or even days) before they were deleted. I've restored the categories on the article pages and ask that if you have any concerns about the categories themselves that you present your concerns about them in a WP:CFD discussion. — Bellhalla (talk) 07:00, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

You're invited!

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No spam

Dear Renata3, in contrast to all the tourist links my links are not spamming. Many of theses articles are stub and my links are showing History, Geography and Genalogy of these places. Kaubri (talk) 17:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Julius Brutzkus

He is not mentioned as Minister for Jewish Affairs in Lithuania (he is actually even not mentioned at all) in European Politics: The Years of the First Republic, 1918-1940. Are you sure he was an incumbent for this ministry ? --Pylambert (talk) 18:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, sorry, I found an explanation, there seems to be an error in the abovementioned book, I found another source confirming Julius Brutzkus' brief portfolio. I modified in consequence the new article Lithuanian Ministry for Jewish Affairs. --Pylambert (talk) 19:02, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Ref reliability question

What do you know of mokslai.lt as a reference? Novickas (talk) 01:30, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh well. Was looking for refs for Lithuanian Tribunal, currently unref'd. Always so many websites to sift thru. Later, Novickas (talk) 01:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Kristijonas Donelaitis

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Deletion review for Eimantas Paltarackas

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Eimantas Paltarackas. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Tim Song (talk) 18:54, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Deleted article of Eimantas Paltarackas

Hello,

Please, accept my apology for disturbing you but more than a week ago one of my articles has been deleted by you. Under the deleting it's been stated as "No indication that the article may meet guidelines for inclusion: total advertising".

By the user Protonk (On "request undelition" page) I have been told that "In order to meet our inclusion criteria, a subject must be covered in significant detail by multiple reliable sources".

Since I wrote this article I wasn't trying to advertise anything. Whole time I was concerned that this article would have to meet the Wikipedia guidance, including the inclusion criteria In this article I have provided a short biography about the radio and tv personality, outlined as Wikipedia:Notability (people). I read the list of what classifies as a people and there I'd found exact criteria that would subscribe to my article as "Creative professionals - journalist, entertainers".

Speaking about a subject who suppose to be covered by multiple reliable sources, there are many independent public media sources that clearly states about the identity and status of the subject from my article. Most of these sources are in native Lithuanian language, whatsoever, most of it can simply be translated into English. Please, find the links bellow.

• Information about the subject at the biggest Lithuanian daily news paper

• The completed entertainment projects, ideas (Note: Information at the bottom of the page). Official "Yearly city days" website supported by the local government

• Eimantas Paltarackas are the author of these all printed reports and interviews (The main news source in Lithuania)

And there are many other independent sources, entertainment awards that the name of Eimantas Paltarackas appears on it.

Currently, the person that I wrote this article about is working in United Kingdom, into the broadcasting industry. Including British Broadcasting Corporation, well known as a BBC. However, legally I don't have the approval to provide you yet with the information about this work with the BBC as it is the upcoming tv show project. Time by time he does cooperate with various Lithuanian media too.

Again, I honestly do apologise if this article has appeared as a total advertising. But please, can you look at the sources that I have provided to you and see if this article meets the Wikipedia inclusion criteria. I only wish that providing the story of someone's life from the Creative professionals sector will be accepted and available to the public.

Thank you so much for taking your time on this matter, deep down I really hope that you can help me. Regards, Sean. Sean Todd Lewis (talk • contribs) 21:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Greek-Kazakh relations

An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Greek-Kazakh relations. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also Wikipedia:Notability and "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greek-Kazakh relations. Please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.

Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

FlyLal

Hi there, I moved the article to FlyLal as this appeared to be the most appropriate from reading the article. There seem to be two words, neither of which is an acronym, but they are rendered without a space. If you feel that Flylal is more appropriate, please feel free to change this. The only thing that should not be done is to use a lowercase "f". If you do make any changes, feel free to change the references I altered too, you are right, if the references are rendered in a particular way, then they can be styled this way, though it is not too important. I hope this helps, if not, please post again! Thanks Nouse4aname (talk) 11:35, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

If LAL is still currently an acronym, then yes, FlyLAL would be more appropriate. If however, it is no longer considered an acronym, then it can't be treated as such. Feel free to make the final decision on this, so long as the name is rendered with an initial capital, it is fine! Cheers, Nouse4aname (talk) 09:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Lovely

Thanks for this. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 06:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Friedrich Kellner

I just sent you an email, but in case it does not get through to you, I thought I should write to you here, as well. I am hoping you can help me with the Friedrich Kellner article, to translate it into Lithuanian. I have a condensed version of the article that I can send to you (about 1500 words). Thank you, Scott Rskellner (talk) 03:08, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Grinkiškis

Awesome - thanks for translating it. My great-grandmother was born there, and I've always wondered a bit about its history. (My grandmother was born in your hometown, actually...though she didn't live there long.) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:27, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

My dearest

You should not believe in propaganda of 19th century an delete parts of those articles. + http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaip%C4%97da_Revolt

Result "The at that time popular arguments about the "revolt" of Memellanders are still reiterated today as if Lithuanian achievements after 1990 are still not yet available and as if no conferences occurred between Lithuanian and German historians. In 1965 the former leaders of the "revolt" were the opinion to keep furthermore the secret about the real details because Lithuania could be compromised in admitting the scandal of the fraud and conspiracy." Source: Vygantas Vareikis, Ein zählebiger Mythos oder wer hat das Memelgebiet befreit?, p.195 in [2]"

I can tell you about Lithuania Minor-persons who voted for Lithuania, repatriated to Germany and emigrated to Canada. Do you really want to know this? Are your ancestors among them? I hope that you do not know what you are writing and deleting. Kaubri (talk) 23:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Nobody denies that the Lithuanian government was behind the revolt. Even my high school Lithuanian history textbook fully admitted that. However, whenever you write an article about Klaipeda Region/Memelland you do it with an agenda to prove that it wanted nothing to do with Lithuania and was all about Germany. That's your POV that you should leave outside Wikipedia. BTW, full re-write of the article is in progress. Renata (talk) 01:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Dearest Renata: I am glad to hear that the history of the Memel country has arrived with you. Just read history books once, and you will be convinced that the Memel country has nothing to do, absolutely nothing, with Lithuania. Simply do not believe in propaganda, and hold fast to facts. Kaubri (talk) 01:00, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Happy holidays

Happy Holidays!

Linksmų Kalėdų ir laimingų Naujųjų Metų! Novickas (talk) 23:36, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

And now, for FV's traditional last-minute nonsectarian holiday greeting!

Here’s wishing you a happy end to the holiday season and a wonderful 2010. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 15:33, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

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De moribus tartarorum, lituanorum et moscorum

Who said that the book was first dedicated to Sigismundus Augustus? In the 1615 edition I could only read dedication for Octavian August Prunskiene from Berestechko. Sincerely, Rembecki (talk) 21:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC).

Trubecki - one more time

You were active in the struggle with spammer Trubecki, so this could be interested for you: Talk:Nester_Trubecki. I know, that I should write this all on the page "articles for deletion", but I'm not sure how to do this (I'll be glad if can help me and past the information about the hoax on the right page). I'm not active in English Wikipedia, if you want to contact me, please do it through my discussion page in Polish Wikipedia (pl:Wikipedysta:Marcel_Duchamp). Best regards. --W Goslar (talk) 18:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Christianization of Lithuania

Christianization of Lithuania was the event that took place in 1387, initiated by the Grand Duke of Lithuania and King of Poland Jogaila Note that Jogaila was not a Grand Duke of Lithuania but Supreme Prince of Lithuania (Lituanie princeps supremus in Latin). Mathiasrex (talk) 13:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Deletes

Yes I have noticed it recently, it is very frustrating because I never actually delete anything. Do you know what could be the problem? Slaja (talk) 17:10, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

OK I will check this, thanks. On the Baltic States, was it you who wrote this; "According to IMF projections, the GDP based on purchasing-power-parity will contract 13–17% from 2008 to 2009."? Slaja (talk) 17:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

It seemed to me

that you were a bit trigger fingered about removing family info, and a lot of links, from Paolo Troubetzkoy. I plan on trying to salvage some of it but feel that it's prudent to discuss it with you first as you obviously (one of 23 words and phrases that mean "in my opinion") are not a vandal or even a haphazard editor . Life is supposed to be interesting. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 23:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me and thank you for trying to track down wikitrash the way that you have been doing. I'll not re-introduce anything without having a pretty good understanding of what it is. Carptrash (talk) 02:18, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Tõnu Trubetsky as Bloomfield

I was rather skeptical about Tõnu Trubetsky being Bloomfield - after all, Trubetsky is a long-time high-profile musician and to lesser degree, writer. There were rumors about his shaky mental state but I didn't believe them, after all, they were just rumors.

However, now Trubetsky has published a new book... with Cat Bloomfield as co-author. All the reviews I've seen ([89], [90], [91], [92]) consider Trubetsky to be the only author - and quite possibly Bloomfield is just his cat.

Just thought you might want to know.

--Sander Säde 09:19, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Very interesting. Some more pieces:

• Contact info for The Flowers of Romance (band 2). The speedied article listed Tonu as vocals + 9 other members (none other for vocals). Note contact info has email to Balckplait (another name for Tonu).
• Employee profile at UK charity
• Facebook profile
• Myspace lists Cat as vocals of some UK band

Hm... Renata (talk) 14:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think UK charity, FaceBook and MySpace profiles are related to "our" Bloomfield, as it is a fairly common surname (Bloomfield#People) and Cat can be just a shorthand of Catherine. The Flowers of Romance singer is definitely Trubetsky - even the other members of the band are from Vennaskond. I seem to remember an interview about the band by Trubetsky, but I could be wrong.

In any case, if I can somehow help with the clean-up, just let me know.

--Sander Säde 16:18, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I modified my WikiProject Estonia monitoring script to display changes in articles linked in your Bloomfield sub-page. That way I can see any changes in those articles every time I look at my watchlist - which is quite a few times in a day. If you would like to use the script, then this diff should give all the relevant code. All the best! --Sander Säde 10:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

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Bloomfield

Good work on tracking down all the Bloomfield nonsense. It seems you got it covered and have dug much deeper into this than anybody else thus far. I'm going to keep an eye on Special:RecentChangesLinked/User:Renata3/bloom, that one is going to help a lot. Please feel free to notify me in case I might miss anything related to it in the future. Thanks!--Termer (talk) 04:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

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Paksas

Working on this is a pain, because there's so much detail, but I'm glad you pointed me to it, because a major item looked to be, er, wrong. The article read [93] that the Vilnius District Court convicted him, he appealed using the best lawyers in LT, and the Supremes acquitted. That is backwards per [94] - the Law Library of Congress - states Vilnius court acquitted, Supremes Appeals Court convicted. One for the books, if anyone is keeping them, and if the LLC is correct. Later, Novickas (talk) 16:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

One question, is 15min.lt a reliable source? Used in the article, link [95]. Novickas (talk) 18:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Generally speaking 15min is as reliable as any other news portal -- i.e. not too much. They usually regurgitate other news sources and produce little original journalism. Supposedly this particular article is written by Aloyzas Sakalas, but it is a collection of half-baked political and personal rumors that run wild. I would not use it as a reliable source. The only thing that this could testify to that Paksas is accused of 100 different things, most importantly of strong ties to Russian oil money.

Thanks for taking care of this! My personal opinion of him is too negative to really adhere to NPOV :) Renata (talk) 18:52, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd have the same problem with some US politicians. Thanks for the final cleanup action. On the unref'd BLP flagging front, I tried to use "cat scan" [96] but no results after about 2 hours; it might could be swamped, or it might be picky about formatting, or who knows what. It may take a little while for E-Z project-based methods to show up. Till then the last Walterbot listing will do. Novickas (talk) 05:44, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

*Groan*.

Speaking of yuks, here's a great summation of WP naming disputes from [97]. Editor 1: "there are 5 gillion google hits for option A" Editor 2: "Encyclopaedia X uses option B" Editor 1: "Your research is flawed" Editor 2: "Your mother." Novickas (talk) 18:39, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

RE: File:Skywarn.svg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Skywarn.svg

I was hoping you could fix some issues regarding this file, first the official image is not red, it is Blaze/Safety Orange RGB: 255,120,0 as seen here:

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/skywarn/

Also it is NOT PD, the license for usage of this image can be found here:

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/skywarn/resources/SKYWARN_branding_guidelines_v5.0_Oct08.pdf

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.48.253.34 (talk) 09:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Color updated. Please understand that copyright (public domain) is not the same as trademark. I added additional tag to indicate that on Commons. Renata (talk) 11:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Jeronimas Kačinskas

Hello Renata3: I noticed that you moved the Jeronimas Kačinskas list of compositions from the article to the talk page. I just wondered if there was a point for discussion, or other reason for this. Best regards, Hrdinský (talk) 06:32, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Your latest edit

[98] Could you advice me the source for text you've added -

• Soviet Union supplied Germany with raw materials in exchange for German factory equipment, installations, machinery and machine tools, ships, vehicles, and other means of transport worth 120 million Reichsmark.
• It was negotiated during from late 1938.

My sources - *Documents on German Foreign Policy, 1918-1945. Series D (1937-1945) Washington, D.C.: U.S. Gov. Printing Office, 1949-64,

• Dokumente der Deutschen Politik. Reihe, 1935-1940. 8 Vols. Berlin: Junker und Dunnhaupt Verlag, 1942
• Schwendemann H. Die wirtschaftliche Zusamenarbeit zwischen dem Deutschen Reich und der Sowjetunion von 1938 bis 1941. Berlin, 1993
• ГОД КРИЗИСА 1938-1939 ДОКУМЕНТЫ И МАТЕРИАЛЫ В ДВУХ ТОМАХ ISBN 5-250-01092-X (с) Составитель МИД СССР. 1990

I can add a dozen more. Thanks Jo0doe (talk) 16:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

See replayJo0doe (talk) 21:53, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I responded on his page with direct quotes from the sources

Weird. The latter of the two wasn't even remotely controversial (not that the former was either). I'm incredibly busy right now and won't have time to engage in some huge wiki-argument about every quote in every article he may raise in the future. Mosedschurte (talk) 10:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

So so Wegner, p. 99 [4]

The Credit Agreement between the German Reich and the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics gave the Soviet Union an acceptance credit of 200 million RM over 7 years with an affective interest rate of 4.5 percent. The credit line was to be used during the next two years for purchase of capital goods in Germany and was to be paid off by means of Soviet material shipment from 1946 onwards.

While in article all given upside-down and "promices" affirmed in Feb 11 1940 given as The agreement covered "current" business, which entailed Soviet While - no in agrement text nor in secondary sources actually exist such explanation for - exactly the same story as DDR 1956 workers labled as "Nazi inspect Inspection of train with food" [99] - even it's clear at picture - no food at train exist :(Jo0doe (talk) 19:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Still guess - picture of Ju-90 and Me-109 in 1943 - which relation to Credit? It's well known that Ju-90 was not sold under Feb 11 1940 agreement. Nor produced in 1943 Me-109 G8. ThanksJo0doe (talk) 19:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

• I found really nice example -
  • Wegner, p. 101

in source

Immediately before the outbreak of the war in 1939 the Military Economic Staff in the Wehrmach (Wehrwirtschaftstab) High Command although thought that Germany could only be really from a blockade on the basis of close economic cooperation with the Soviet Union.

in article

The Wehrmacht High Command issued a report that Germany could only be safe from a blockade on the basis of close economic cooperation with the Soviet Union.

It's remaind me " White House Housekeeper believe in confirmed Giant monsters from Mars."  :)Jo0doe (talk) 20:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Destruction battalions

IP 70.51.28.70 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) (who is almost certainly permbanned RJ CG (talk · contribs)) has been making some major changes to Destruction battalions (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article - mostly removing "unpleasant" facts & references and tagging sourced content with {{fact}}. But that is not what I came here to talk about - his changes made me analyze the article a bit more and it definitely could use expansion. Right now majority of the article deals with destruction battalions in Estonia, but as far as I know, the battalions were as active in Latvia and Lithuania - and even more active in Belarus and Ukraine. Also, the general description could use some work.

I do not know who could expand the article. Vecrumba is topic-banned, WikiProject Estonia has no history buffs and is semi-dead anyway. Zalktis (talk · contribs) and Peteris Cedrins (talk · contribs) are hardly active these days. Perhaps you know someone, who would be interested to expand the article - or even interested in it yourself?

--Sander Säde 09:35, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I really have to love the income tax system here in Estonia. Filling out the documents online takes about fifteen minutes, returns arrive within a week.

As for "history buff" - I did not necessarily mean you :) WikiProject Estonia would love to have someone with a passion to write articles about history. Alas, all such people have been driven away from Wikipedia. My own interest in history tends to be more about the Middle Ages - and even then, centered around specific people, buildings or places.

And I really cannot read/understand scientific level Russian anymore, too - too much time has passed since I had to actively speak Russian, now I can barely understand everyday phrases.

I think I will leave a short notice about the article to some users, if you don't mind? Perhaps Zalktis or Peteris Cedrins - or Philaweb (talk · contribs) might be interested and willing to improve the article.

--Sander Säde 15:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

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Gaspard Bauhin article

This is now a dog's breakfast - could you fix it? I don't know how to restore a version from a month ago; you could tell me how :) Novickas (talk) 21:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC) Ah, it requires the boldness to ignore the enlarged-font warning. Thx. Novickas (talk) 00:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Huh?

In all AGF what makes your project any different from all the rest on wikipedia? I know some russian project members fiercely resisted the idea of acknowledging they even had a project for a few years, but I am intrigued as to why white space seems so important on category pages for one particular project.

Rather than reverting all my edits with edit summaries only - you could at least have explained what makes your project different from the rest of wikipedia SatuSuro 02:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Category:Category-Class_Death_articles - the coloured banner shows that well managed projects can have these types of pages for Wiki assessment that project space (ie can actually have category and project pages tagged) - is there something in the template of the lithuanian project templates that screw up in the face of extra tags - surely someone can tweak the template? or what? SatuSuro 02:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Personal? In the old days some projects actually used bots to maintain tagging - I am not a bot and I couldnt give a xxxx what some projects do . mandated - Wikiprojects are looked upon as the scourge of the universe by some eds who cannot handle being criticised for their stupidity from a subject knowledge base - their challenged geographical and general knowledge shines through when they get their bees and bonnets in a knot. however - a significant part of wikipedia is now inhabited by projects - and when they are not dysfunctional like wp:history where they cannot manage themselves - projects need tagging to actually find what they have in their scope. Leaving cats off in my experience is a bit like saying yes you have a kitchen but you deny you have a bathroom, but hey wp is a broad field of ideas. I'll leave it with you, and leave it at that - and I will make a mental note to note to avoid tagging anywhere too close (having just done art of estonia and latvia today) -('sfunny I was in helsinki last october thinking - shall I go travel through there for piccies, but in the end just flew to budapest instead) at least the russia project came good eventually - cheers SatuSuro 07:16, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Move

Hi, it seems I done with his, more or less. Could you move it to its permanent palace? M.K. (talk) 13:19, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi! As the creator of P:LT, i would love to hear your opinion on the matter in general> I also thinking to improving article Lithuania, but I need more hands, for the help. M.K. (talk) 19:00, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

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Tadeusz Kościuszko

I don't want this edit war, but they delete referenced information! I already complained on the topic but non admin intervented. Free Belarus (talk) 19:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

The fact he has Belarusian origins were referenced and discused on the talk page of the article, but some Polish nationalists ignore it and delete it! Free Belarus (talk) 19:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Reverts_and_vandalism_on_nationalistic_basis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Free Belarus (talk • contribs) 19:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations! Tadeusz Kosciuszko was belarusian(sic!). He has partly ruthenian roots, not belarusian, was Polish- Lithuanian!--marekchelsea (talk) 19:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I haven't deleted he was Polish-Lithuenian, it was his citizenship, he was born in the Polish Lithuenian Commonwealth and faught for it, where did I delete that and argue with that? But he was ethnicaly Belarusian (at least partly! Unlike Polish roots that we don't have references showing he had), and Ruthenian is the same as Belarusian, just for the record. He spoke Belarusian (referenced), and he is considered Belarusian in many sources (which I gave there), so yes, he was Belarusian to (in fact, Belarusian ethnicity is the only ethnicity we know for sure he had). Free Belarus (talk) 20:01, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

RE: Lithuanian consorts

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Hi there Renata3 :), I noticed your username on Translators Available Lithuanian to English. I was wondering if you could help with updating Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi on the Lithuanian Wikipedia? Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi on the English Wikipedia has been majorly revamped- particularly, its being treated as a BLP now, since no one has been able to find evidence of his death. I'm sorry to say I know little Lathuanian, so I'd really appreciate your help in this :), although I understand if you don't have the time. Thanks in advance! Omirocksthisworld(Drop a line) 04:50, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

German-German border

(Hello! Sorry if this is somehow in the incorrect format or style: am not a Wiki addict like some.) In your image to show Changes in German territory in the 20th Century you have the German-German border shown with a caption of "1945-91". This surely is wrong, as German reunification removed this border in 1990.

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Lithuanian painters

They really ought to all be expanded, but the interest on Lithuania in general is extremely low. Do whatever you feel is appropriate. Just don't delete the ones which have been expanded, even unreferenced ones. They can be salvaged. I expanded a few previously, so did User:Pohick. I just don't want people moaning at me about sub stubs again when I've spent the last nine months working very hard on expanding stubs and cleaning up content. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 19:02, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

User:Pohick has said he will expand a few. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:36, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I hadn't realised you were Lithuanian initially; I think you are likely to know more about it than I do. If there are any you seriously doubt notability in and lack potental sources please draw up a list and those can be removed. I had initially thought they were all notable as I believe they have entires in the Lithuanian Encyclopedia. Somebody later said though that some of the articles included in there may not even be appropriate for wikipedia. Thanks Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:22, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Lietuvos futbolas

Labas, aha perskaiciau ta puslapi ir ten matau kad parasyta "all teams that have played in the the national cup" yra pakankamai svarbios, kad butu itrauktos. Tai kaipo viskas OK su tais Lietuvos klubais. AndPau (talk) 16:08, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (4th nomination)

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Req

By moving back article name I left unwanted word "nobility" List of szlachta nobility. Could you eliminate it? Thanks, M.K. (talk) 14:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! M.K. (talk) 15:25, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome :) Renata (talk) 15:30, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Kingdom of Lithuania (1918)

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Ministries

Sorry about that...did a search for Ministries of Poland and that was the format they use. Looked over my watchlist today and saw Russavia fixed the defense ministry yesterday. So watchlist needs pruning.

Any chance you could do stubs on the missing ministries? I looked around some but could'nt find anything substantive beyond they exist and some current events. Hope you had a nice break, Novickas (talk) 18:20, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

You must be feeling brave. Thanks and best wishes, Novickas (talk) 23:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

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Re Battle of Grunwald

You've improved it considerably - thanks! Early in adulthood I decided to stop trying to understand it. Too much exposure as a child to loud and lengthy arguments. After reading the most recent version, I have a much better handle on it in general, but would like to browse the subject some more - am not really comfortable copyediting without doing this. So need a week or two.

I'm always interested in public justification of wars. This seems to have been limited beforehand, apart from the accusations that Jogaila and Vytatutas were insincere Christians, at least I couldn't find any. The papacy looks to have been most unstable right then (Antipope Alexander V, Antipope John XXIII). So I wonder if that instability was a factor, not that there haven't been plenty of Christian v. Christian conflicts since then, but the Orders were directly subordinate to the Catholic hierarchy. But that's not necesary for a Good Article. Just wondering if you've encountered anything along those lines.

There was, however, a fair amount of just war discussion afterwards, esp. at the Council of Constance. [100], [101]. Could we put that in?

Overall, it looks great :) Later, Novickas (talk) 15:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Down to you now; hope the copyedits fairly represented the sources. Good luck and I'll be on call. Novickas (talk) 20:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Also thanks for the šašlykai! Novickas (talk) 19:08, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Maps of the Monastic state of the Teutonic Order

Hi, I have finished the maps you requested in their first versions. For your comments and the maps itself please see here: commons:User_talk:S._Bollmann#English_map. --84.185.90.89 (talk) 01:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC) respectively commons:User:S. Bollmann

Grunwald map

Hi, I have finished the first version of the Grunwald map. Please let me know your suggestions. commons:File:Grunwald_1410.png --84.185.118.193 (talk) 01:33, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

A new version of the map is online. Including your suggestions. I hope, all is fine now. --84.185.89.39 (talk) 19:53, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

User:Melba1/Mindaugas_Piecaitis

HI Renata :) We haven't "met" before - I'm fairly new to WP (but fast getting addicted :/  ! ) I noticed you are Lithuanian, so maybe you can help me with editing my new article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Melba1/Mindaugas_Piecaitis I've had some advice from Chzz, and I've been corresponding with the subject [in English] in hopes that he could provide a Commons-licensed photo of himself and some links unconnected with the "Catcerto"' (I gather that if that's his only claim to fame he's not considered "notable".) I intend to remove the cat picture once I get one of him, as the cat Nora has her own page! I'd really appreciate your input if you have time. MP seems a delightful fellow who's done a lot for young musicians in Lithuania. The Catcerto is also delightful :) 14:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Melba1 (talk • contribs)

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William de Ufford GA review

Thanks for your review. I have had a look at it, and will get to the revision shortly. Lampman (talk) 08:06, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay, I've done some work on it now. Lampman (talk) 03:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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Chicken Tax

Thanks for the excellent feedback. I'll get right on it. Great questions! 842U (talk) 03:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

"I'm new" does not allow an editor to ignore WP:V / WP:NPOV

in response to your comment on my talk page. Active Banana (talk) 21:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

In recognition of your work on Vytautas Sakalauskas

Thanks for the sourcing upgrade on Vytautas Sakalauskas ! Active Banana (talk) 17:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

GAN of 1971 Iraq Poison Grain Disaster

Your thoughts wanted. What points still need covering? I found a little confirming the 1969 and 70 famines, but little else on that subject. - Jarry1250 ^{[Humorous? Discuss.]} 18:35, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

DO you have any more points to raise? - Jarry1250 ^{[Humorous? Discuss.]} 18:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Belarusians

Please see here [102]. Belarusian nationalists have inserted the map in which Vilnius (“Вiльня”) is “ethnic territory of Belarusians”. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.79.28.129 (talk) 15:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Liudas Gira

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Motiejus Šumauskas

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Seal of Mindaugas

Courcelles 12:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Saint Meinhard

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:03, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Problem with Paulius Galaunė

Sorry to bother you, but there is an article on the English Wikipedia which is suspected to be a hoax and I was hoping you could help, even if you dont know anything about the source material, because it has a counterpart on the Lithuanian wiki which appears to be well sourced. The article is en:Paulius Galaunė and it was brought up at en:Wikipedia:Edit_filter/False_positives/Reports#Anton_dvsk and en:Wikipedia:Help_desk#Where_do_I_report_hoaxes_.3F. While it is certainly not 100% false, there is questionable content including a possible copyright violation being claimed to be a painting by Mr Galaune and the fact that the photograph which currently appears on both wikis might not be him because of this diff in which the description is changed. I am hoping that you could see the truth and help us answer our questions. I found you because you are a highly active editor here and are able to speak Lithuanian. Please respond with whatever you can do. I have posted a similar request on lt:Naudotojo_aptarimas:CD —Soap— 23:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Patrikas

Hi, Renata. Could you please add the page to your watchlist? It's painful to look at. --Ghirla^-трёп- 09:21, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Paulius Galaunė

You probably deserve a barnstar for finding this - I thought I covered it up pretty well. Delete the lot, it's fake, refs and all. The museum website claims not to have been updated recently, but I remember the biographical entries being rather shorter before I wrote this. It's amusing it got past DYK though. Nefesf9 (talk) 19:57, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Renata3. Nice job. Thanks for clarifying the Paulius Galaunė article. I appreciate your riding to the rescue on the AFD. Unfortunately, now the rest of User:Nefesf9 edits will need to be checked for possible hoax or unsubstantiated additions. In particular, he mentioned Jonas Asevičius-Acukas as another hoax. Could you take a look at that one (as well as his other two article creations: Vytautas_Sakalauskas and Mečislovas_Gedvilas) when you get a chance? — CactusWriter ^(talk) 04:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for those two. I see that the Lithuanian Wikipedia has an article about Acukas with more info -- unfortunately, it is also without references. I would think that being knighted in the Order of Vytautas the Great would make him notable (if it's true). I searched for a database but found only this one which I assume only includes recent recipients. I don't know though. Anyway, the Acukas article is pretty benign so I'm not too concerned about it. Thanks again. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 16:35, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

If you want to see the full story, go to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#CU results. Claritas has been using bad-hand accounts. Uncle G (talk) 05:02, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Nieman

I know its Wilia but it matters about aftermath of demonstrations in Vilnius in 1861. Mathiasrex (talk) 21:35, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Lithuanian Socialist Soviet Republic

Please do not cancel my contributions in the manner previously witnessed. I know precisely what point I was making and if my revision is in any way flawed, you are free to edit, reduce or expand the text. But by blanking the version with no summary as you did marks me as unconstructive. It is illogical to say that the LSSR "regained" independence when it had already existed by that outfit. It is very complicated. The LSSR federal authorities declared independence; they took with them the region, and renamed the land "Republic of". As for regained, the so-called legal argument decrees that the territory was independent since second contact with Moscow WWII time; as for recongnition by former host, this would not come for another 18 months so whatever was de jure did not change in March 1990 (whichever you personally feel it to be); and what changed de facto did not do so fully until September 1991. You have to watch your ps and qs when editing sensitive material and Baltic issues for 1944-90 period are very itchy. This is why I added the link to guide the reader to what precisely took place in March 1990, and why I used the terminology "delcared fresh independence", ie. the same authorities that had governed the LSSR in the USSR continue to do so in new circumstances. That was all. Evlekis (Евлекис) 18:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, I'm well aware that Lithuanian topics are wholly within your catchment area as an editor and I haven't moved into the articles to claim superior knowledge to other users such as you. That is not the case. I am simply trying to uphold a level of realism in the articles, and that the land achieved full independence in March 1990 is somewhat misleading, and very similar to Kosovo's ugly affairs with which I am personally more familiar; Kosovo declared independence in February 2008 but more recently, I have been involved in occupation disputes with editors over Albanian affairs from 1912. They declared independence but no recognition ensued whilst other nations were scrambling for the same territory! This is not the case with transitional Lithuania 1988-1991 but to leave the statement at "Lithuania regained independence in 1991" is not only POV but it is in conflict with every other mention of the topic across the whole of Wikipedia, especially here where that feature is given as August 1991. When you return, by all means edit my contribution but please do not restore the previous version before my first impression, I'd be most grateful. I don't know whether you glanced at my loud summary and assumed the edit to be in bad faith but I ask of you this time to consider how you handle the presentation from this point. Many thanks. Evlekis (Евлекис) 18:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

FORK

????? Whats up with you woman??? I don't follow. Professor Fairness (talk) 21:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

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Ukrainians

No, that is your OPINION that it is controversial. I am enacting WP:BEBOLD. Prior to your move, not a single person PEEPED about the new list title. Get off your fucking high horse. Soundsboy (talk) 17:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Lithuania tagging

Sure Well, for what it's worth, I am done tagging with {{WikiProject Lithuania}}, so you don't need to worry about anymore of them being added outside of the main namespace. As far as your assertion that the WikiProject doesn't use the banner outside of the main namespace, I could find no reference to this in the WikiProject's documentation. Wikipedia:WikiProject Lithuania/Assessment (as well as the banner itself) even explicitly allows for class=Category, for instance. Where did you get the impression that the WikiProject does not tag outside the main namespace? Please respond on my talk, and thanks for your note. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Bloomfield once again?

Saidelson (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). No longer active, but created Estonian Red Riflemen and Astra Randkivi. I am far from being an expert on the topic, but the sourcing is horribly bad even for Bloomfield. In any case, best to add both articles to Bloomfield watchlist, just in case. --Sander Säde 16:09, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'd keep those Estonian Riflemen created by his sock this time. Although both of the articles suffer from Bloom's usual problems it's still better than nothing. We can just delete whole portions of dubious material. I'm not sure on Astra Randkivi: it seems there are no google hits apart from Wikis, it doesn't seem to be a hoax either (the Soviet era book he cited definitely exists), but the notability is very dubious. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (t) 15:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually, given the lack of coverage apart from Soviet propaganda sources Randkivi doesn't meet criteria for inclusion for English Wiki so deletion is a fair choice. There were simply so many anti-Nazi activists during the war in Europe, and the fact that Estonia lacked them doesn't make each and every Soviet partisan notable for English Wiki. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (t) 15:04, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

LST 1179:2005

I am not sure how much 23 Lts would be, but if there was something Wikipedia will easily find useful, it should be in this document. Please see http://www.lsd.lt/standards/catalog_en.php?ics=0&pid=619116. I would also like to see the two other withdrawn standards to see the changes made (other than ratio) at http://www.lsd.lt/standards/eshop.php?s=flag. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 08:55, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Siege of Szigetvár

Hi, I love your user page, especially the last graphic. I became involved in the Siege of Szigetvár article in response to a request for copy editing at the Guild of Copy Editors' page. I have started by addressing the punch list from the GA review. Mainly the work is done and I'm down to working through the writting issues. It would be nice to get your feedback on the porgress. Also, I have concerns about the whole section entitled: The powder magazine explosion. It seems that this is legend and it is unclear whether the source is reporting it as disputed legend or the WP editors are disputing the source's veracity. I'm inclined to want to yank it, or describe it as a legend. Your thoughts? --Kevin Murray (talk) 17:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)