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May 31

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May 31, 2021 (2021-05-31) (Monday)

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May 30

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May 30, 2021 (2021-05-30) (Sunday)

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(Posted) RD: Phil Lombardi

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Article: Phil Lombardi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Santa Clarita Valley Signal
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Nominator's comments: Only reported today (May 30); died on May 20. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:59, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Attention needed) RD: Jason Dupasquier

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Article: Jason Dupasquier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, CNN, NBC News
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Nominator's comments: Swiss motorcycle rider who died after an accident at the Mugello Circuit of the Italian Grand Prix. The article is in decent shape. SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 04:44, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - I'm not overly familiar with sourcing on bike racing, but I do wonder if the racing section could be expanded upon somewhat. That being said, this is a tragic case of a young sportsperson who died very early in their career while competing in a world championship event, so I doubt the article would be likely to expand that far beyond its current size. Unless someone far more familiar with bike racing than I am raises major concerns about the sourcing here I would be prepared to provisionally support listing Dupasquier on the main page. Note: Grand Prix motorcycle racing is generally far more popular in Romance language countries than it is in the Anglosphere so that should be considered regarding the state of sourcing. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 05:12, 1 June 2021 (UTC)HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 05:16, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'd like for this to get posted, but I agree this needs expansion. The first section is essentially a list of championships he was involved in, and then it's just details about his death. Nothing else about him at all. Uses x (talk • contribs) 06:14, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is cited. NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:49, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The lack of text on his career makes this look more like a death writeup than a biography.—Bagumba (talk) 18:34, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment HumanBodyPiloter5, Uses x and Bagumba. I, honestly, don't know how to improve it. He was only 19 years-old. His Moto3 career started only last year and, before dying, he hasn't had any major accomplishment at Moto3. He only scored 27 points with no wins, no podiums and no poles whatsoever. So, there's not much to talk about his career at Moto3. He succeeded only in minor championships. He was pretty young and a promising driver who will never have the chance to prove himself.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 21:54, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support He passes WP:NMOTORSPORT, but sadly died at a young age so there isn't much more to say beyond that. Everything there is to say appears to be there, however. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 22:03, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Patrick Sky

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Article: Patrick Sky (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone; New Musical Express
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Nominator's comments: Only reported today (May 30); died on May 27. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:47, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support as that was the only problem in the article. Uses x (talk • contribs) 08:12, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: P. W. T. Simanjuntak

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Article: P. W. T. Simanjuntak (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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Nominator's comments: The antipope of the Batak Christian Protestant Church. Took over the church with the government's assistance and illegitimately led the church for six years. His leadership was disputed by S. A. E. Nababan, who died three weeks ago and was also posted here. Also a member of parliament for four years. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 06:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indianapolis 500

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Article: 2021 Indianapolis 500 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsports, Hélio Castroneves (pictured) wins the Indianapolis 500 (Post)
News source(s): ESPN NPR
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Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The Indy 500 is listed on ITNR. The race article seems to be in OK shape, but lacks a text update. -- Calidum 01:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Commenting, will support inclusion upon updating of prose - Agree that the article needs some updates, but otherwise would be an uncontroversial inclusion as part of the triple crown. The fact that Hélio tied the record for most wins and the fact that this win came 20 years after his first may be relevant? I think the longest previous gap between first and last wins was only 16 years but I may be wrong. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 06:17, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Article has large swaths of unreferenced text and no prose update. It has long way to go before posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:35, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I updated the article 2021_Indianapolis_500#Finish. @Calidum:, @HumanBodyPiloter5:. Minerva (talk to me) 19:45, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose "2021 IndyCar Series" section is unsourced in this article, "Race Schedules" text doesn't seem to be sourced, and some unsourced text on Saturday qualifying. Also, lots of text throughout needs to be converted from future tense to past tense. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:37, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mythili Sivaraman

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Article: Mythili Sivaraman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): India Today
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian social justice activist and trade union leader. Article should be ready for homepage / RD soon. Working on some edits. Edits done. Article has shaped into a decent C-class biography and meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 23:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 29

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May 29, 2021 (2021-05-29) (Saturday)

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  • A car explodes outside an apartment block in Arad, Romania. The driver, Ioan Crișan, a well-known fish farmer and businessman, was killed, and several windows were shattered. The authorities suspect foul play. (G4 Media)
  • A major Austrian Muslim organization files a lawsuit against the government for publishing a map on Thursday listing the location of the country's mosques and Islamic associations, saying it "represents an unprecedented crossing of boundaries". The Islamic Religious Community in Austria, the Turkish Foreign Ministry, and members of the ruling Green Party have also criticized the map's publication. (DW)

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Science and technology

  • A team at Cardiff University has created the first 3D replica of a spin-ice material that allows for the generation of magnetic monopoles-like quasi-particles. Magnetic force microscopy was then used to visualize the magnetic charges present on the device, allowing the team to track the movement of the single-pole magnets across the 3D structure. (Phys.org)

Sports

(Posted Gwen) RD: Gwen Shamblin Lara/Joe Lara

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Articles: Gwen Shamblin Lara (talk · history · tag) and Joe Lara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: This is an odd one - a private plane with seven people crashed into a lake, with all seven dead. It is very unlikely that the plane crash will have an article, but we have two notable people (these two, wife and husband, who owned the plane). I do not think either raises to a blurb (this isn't Kobe Byrant) but they both qualify for RD so maybe this could be a "Gwen Shamblin & Joe Lara" entry on RD? I dunno. Masem (t) 04:59, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Gwen Shamblin RD only as her article is the only one that's long enough, as well as almost being fully cited (just an unimportant TV appearance missing). Joe Lara's is a stub so it shouldn't be posted until it's RD quality. I don't think combining them would work as it takes up the same amount of space and it'd go against the RD format, so it's better to just split them. Uses x (talk • contribs) 09:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Gewn Shambiln RD only Looks good, there's one cn tag to fix. --Vacant0 (talk) 09:57, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Gwen only Gwen's article is clearly good enough, and ready for RD. Joe's article is barely more than a stub, with half the text focused on his death. Needs more information about his life. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:41, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Gwen Shamblin Lara. Work can continue on her husband.—Bagumba (talk) 16:56, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: B. J. Thomas

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Article: B. J. Thomas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Needs a little sourcing work before it is ready. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gavin MacLeod

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Article: Gavin MacLeod (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Needs just a little sourcing work and it will be ready. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:32, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • 👍 The important thing, Black Kite, is that Tdl1060 receives no credit whatsoever for this item, due to their obvious gaming with disingenuous edit summaries, creating a completely unsourced article—and calling that merely "problematic"—and then moving the material back when all the work's been done for them under the guise of doing everyone else a favour. ——Serial 10:59, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Amakuru: The lead has been reworded so not to include anything that is not sourced in the body, and the unattributed quote regarding his divorce has been removed.--Tdl1060 (talk) 23:48, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tdl1060: thanks for handling that. Contrary to what's written above, I think you've done good work on updating this article and I would assume good faith regarding the filmography, that you thought that would be a legitimate thing to do... Obviously now you know that it's frowned upon to do things like that to get an ITN! I'm therefore crediting you as an updater. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:58, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Way to enable Tdl1060's fucking gaming, Amakuru. ——Serial 10:17, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Serial Number 54129: I don't think there was any gaming going on. This isn't the first time I've seen editors simply remove uncited text from articles when that issue is raised at ITN/C, and I regard it as an innocent error made by newcomers to ITN rather than intentional deception. In this case, Tdl admitted their mistake when it was raised, immediately put the section back with appropriate citations, and then worked to resolve all the other issues that had been raised with the article. Bagumba also queried your account of their deception in reply to you above. Perhaps I'm being naive, but IMHO a little good faith on your part wouldn't go amiss here. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:23, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I added nearly 80 fucking citaions, without which you wouldn't have been able to post the fucking thing, and you're lecturing me about good faith? Bullshit. ——Serial 10:59, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'll credit you too then... I hadn't noticed your contributions on the split-then-merged-back page, that's obviously good work. But doesn't mean that Tdl's actions weren't themselves done in good faith. It's not like it makes a massive difference to anything, but things run smoother if we don't get at each other's throats all the time. Obviously if Tdl does something like this again, I'll think differently, but for now I think we should just move on.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:10, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
They didn't add their own name as an updater, and they don't seem to be involved in WP:WIKICUP or anything where one might be wary of an ulterior motive, so I'm inclined to think they had good intentions. They did made a lot of other contributions to the page after the filmography was restored.—Bagumba (talk) 10:39, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Munirathna Anandakrishnan

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Article: Munirathna Anandakrishnan (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: Former head of Anna University Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Cornelius Sim

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Article: Cornelius Sim (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vatican News; Crux; Herald Malaysia
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Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 21:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2021 UEFA Champions League Final

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Article: 2021 UEFA Champions League Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Chelsea F.C. defeat Manchester City F.C. to win the UEFA Champions League. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, the UEFA Champions League concludes with Chelsea defeating Manchester City in the final.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In association football, the UEFA Champions League concludes with Chelsea (man of the match N'Golo Kanté pictured) defeating Manchester City in the final.
News source(s): ESPN
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Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:59, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose No prose summary of the match. P-K3 (talk) 00:37, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice one TRM! P-K3 (talk) 12:30, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 28

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May 28, 2021 (2021-05-28) (Friday)

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(Posted) RD: Mark Eaton

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Article: Mark Eaton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Official NBA statement
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: NBA player, spent his 11 year career with the Utah Jazz. May need some sourcing work. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 19:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Discovery of mass graves in Canada

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Kamloops Indian Residential School circa 1930
Article: Kamloops Indian Residential School (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A mass grave containing the remains of 215 children is found on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School, which was a part of the Canadian Indian residential school system from 1893 to 1969. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A mass grave containing the remains of 215 children is found on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School, which was a part of the Canadian Indian residential school system from 1893 to 1969.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A mass grave containing the remains of 215 children is found at Kamloops Indian Residential School, part of the Canadian Indian residential school system in 1893-1969.
News source(s): NYT, CBC, The Washington Post, UPI, Reuters, BBC
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major and uncommon discovery at what once was the largest residential school in Canada. Article was short, but recently expanded. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 00:15, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support alt per Bagumba. The target article in that has enough information regarding the update. Uses x (talk • contribs) 06:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
PS: – The blurry, horizontal pic. shown is subpar and doesn't really illustrate the story. – Sca (talk) 12:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think the cropped version with less of the ground works ok for tablets and laptops, and have posted it.—Bagumba (talk) 16:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Namibia Genocide

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Article: Herero and Namaqua genocide (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The German government officially recognizes the colonial-era Herero and Namaqua genocide, and offers financial aid to the descendants of the survivors. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The German government officially recognizes the colonial-era Herero and Namaqua genocide, and offers reparations to the descendants of the survivors.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The German government officially recognizes the colonial-era Herero and Namaqua genocide, and offers reparations to the descendants of the survivors in Namibia.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Washington Post, DW, AP, dpa, Reuters
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: It's a lengthy article, but for such a long article it's actually fairly close to ITN quality. Hopefully this nomination and today's events will bring eyes to the article to get it fixed up. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 27

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May 27, 2021 (2021-05-27) (Thursday)

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  • In Kebbi State, Nigeria, 45 people are found dead following the sinking of a boat yesterday. More than 100 others are still missing. (Al Jazeera)
  • A boat crash off the coast of Florida leaves two dead. Eight others have been rescued. The boat had departed from Cuba on May 23. (WPLG-TV)

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(Posted) RD: Lois Ehlert

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Article: Lois Ehlert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Lois Ehlert
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Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Death announced on this date. Author and illustrator of children's books. Article requires some work. If someone wants to get working on the edits before me, please go ahead. Else, I will pick this up later in the day. Edits, sourcing and expansion done. Article has shaped into a good C-class biography. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Sad week for children's literature. First Eric Carle and now, Ms Ehlert. RIP. Ktin (talk) 20:44, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Nigeria boat accident

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Article: 2021 Nigerian boat accident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A boat accident on the Niger River in Nigeria kills at least 76 people. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, CBS, BBC, Yahoo Finance, Africa News, The Guardian
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: The previous nomination was rejection only the basis of no article created. I have created an article; however it may require expansion and referencing clean-up, help very welcome. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:38, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please work on expanding the article. This would be a suitable item if the article had more information. Jehochman Talk 00:28, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Abcmaxx The point of ITN is to highlight good quality articles and give people looking at the front page of Wikipedia something to read, not to just post every article written about something in the news. There's literally only three lines to read in this, and posting would require pushing off articles that are actually comprehensive (right now, that'd be this stub replacing a blurb with both a featured article and a B-class article). Uses x (talk • contribs) 12:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Uses x: whilst I take your point on board I nominated 2021 Mali coup d'état when the news broke. No article could be found so I created one, a short stub to begin with. Other users expanded it thanks to the nomination proposal so much so it was posted in the end. Whilst I understand your point this article could still follow the same route. Even a stub nomination can be of benefit to everybody Abcmaxx (talk) 14:01, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Abcmaxx I appreciate that you nominated this - it's certainly significant enough to get posted, it's just that there's not enough information out there to write an article about it. I couldn't find anything myself. Uses x (talk • contribs) 15:36, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Uses x: without wanting to sound derogatory what else is there to be added? The cause and effect of this tragedy is fairly simple. Sadly in that part of the world there are minimal health and safety laws, poor conditions of transport, weak enforcement, inadequate licencing regulations etc. In reality there could be little to no aftermath other than a public outcry and sadness. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:28, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Abcmaxx: what else is there to be added - nothing. If that's all the information out there it doesn't meet the quality bar for me, and as for significance this kind of thing isn't new, it should've been easy to spot (everyone knows about overloading boats), and it'll happen again. there could be little to no aftermath other than a public outcry and sadness - my view is that ITN is for highlighting quality articles, and that's it. Not bringing attention to this kind of negligence or injustice for the sake of it - there needs to be a quality article behind it. Uses x (talk • contribs) 21:03, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Uses x: Quality not quantity though. There's plenty of quality in this article, although not much quantity. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:43, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Robbie McCauley

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Article: Robbie McCauley (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): NYT
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Nominator's comments: African-American playwright. Substantial entry, working on making sure it’s fully referenced. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:37, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Hodge (engineer)

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Article: John Hodge (engineer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Houston Chronicle
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Nominator's comments: Death announced on this date. Uses x (talk • contribs) 20:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kees de Jager

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Article: Kees de Jager (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Algemeen Dagblad (in Dutch)
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Dutch astronomer, recently turned 100. Some citation work needed, which I will get on to today, but broadly looks OK.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Foster Friess

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Article: Foster Friess (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Buckrail
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Nominator's comments: Prominent donor to the Republican Party in the US. Looks like a comprehensive and well-cited article already, so probably not much work needed on this one.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carla Fracci

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Article: Carla Fracci (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: One of the leading ballerinas of the 20th century. There was some article, especially a gorgeous image, and since yesterday, we have worked on it. I just ran into an edit conflict so have time to nominate. More detail will come I bet, and please help. Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Harvey Schlossberg

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Article: Harvey Schlossberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
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Nominator's comments: Only reported today (May 27); died on May 21. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Llew Smith

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Article: Llew Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Former Wales MP, already expanded significantly by me in April 2020. PotentPotables (talk) 14:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 26

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May 26, 2021 (2021-05-26) (Wednesday)

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(Posted) RD: Murray Dowey

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Article: Murray Dowey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): International Ice Hockey Federation; CBC News; Toronto Star
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Syrian presidential election

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See also: WT:ITN § RfC: Reporting the results of questionable elections at WP:ITN
Will remain posted and no consensus to alter the blurb. Stephen 10:25, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

 
Article: 2021 Syrian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Syria, Bashar al-Assad (pictured) is re-elected as president (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Bashar al-Assad is re-elected as president of Syria in a sham election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Bashar al-Assad is re-elected as president of Syria in a disputed election.
News source(s): Sky
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Narrow victory after a hard-fought campaign. Hrodvarsson (talk) 20:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
How about "is re-erected as president" – ?? ... ;-) — Sca (talk) 12:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on the comments above I am going to adjust the blurb to try to accurately summarize the content of the article and not create a misimpression (as the current blurb clearly does). Jehochman Talk 14:26, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, "that is denounced as illegitimate" seems rather too strong for our own voice, leaving us open to POV criticism. Suggest "that is discredited by critics." – Sca (talk) 14:46, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think I can fix that by saying who the critics are. The reader can decide for themselves what to believe. The article cites a source using the word "denounced" with regard to the US, so let's stick with that. I changed "illegitimate" to "undemocratic" to more closely hew to the source for the EU's statement. Jehochman Talk 16:59, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The new language, that is denounced as undemocratic by the United States and the European Union, works for me. TNX. – Sca (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sca, Jehochman, PFHLai, and Sandstein: Shouldn't we add that the Syrian actual opposition thinks its undemocratic too? After all their voice is probably more important than that of an outsider.Abcmaxx (talk) 17:32, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The present blurb seems forceful enough – altho perhaps there's still something to be said for the more generalized "that is discredited by critics" – maybe expanded a bit as "that is discredited by domestic and foreign critics" – ?? You tell me. – Sca (talk) 17:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can we keep the ITN blurbs short, please? I'd rather people click the link on MainPage and read the article for details. Just a short one indicating that Bashar is back for another "term" is long enough. --PFHLai (talk) 18:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment we don't editorialize on elections in blurbs unless we want to include Egypt and Russia as well. Just put it back. He doesn't "claim victory" either. Readers can dig in on the target article and make their own decision. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:48, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have to agree: while it is a true statement it is inappropriate editorializing for an ITN item and reflects a very specific world view that ITN should not necessarily be promoting. If the news was some international court case to challenge the election, that would be appropriate, but to add this when we haven't it for, say, Russia's elections is extremely hypocritical and unnecessary. --Masem (t) 22:29, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • It is also editorializing to just say he won the election without further comment. We are not here to whitewash dictators who stage fraudulent elections. The article documents what each country has said. The blurb doesn't have space to list all of them, so we highlight a few of the most significant critics. This is better than an anonymous, "some say the election was undemocratic." That's my reading of the above discussion. Jehochman Talk 23:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's not WP's place to classify elections as fair or unfair unless it's determined through evidence and appropriate review processes that an election was deemed unfair. While there's certainly numerous questions about Syria's election process here and the US + EU are absolutely morally right to put these questions forth, that's not WP's issue to try to take a stand on. This is not an issue we should be taken a position on in a brief statement. The article should absolutely cover it, but out of Wikivoice and without comment. --Masem (t) 23:41, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          I have restored the original blurb. As noted, It is not our place to editorialise.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • To me, it seems like the original blurb editorializes that the election was a normal election that was free and fair. It’s misleading. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • This is a grave error. It is not our job to serve up propaganda put out by the Syrian government. It is very important to report, according to the reliable sources that appear in the article itself, that it is seriously disputed that this was a democratic election. Jehochman Talk 02:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • It is disputed by some governments, but WP is not the mouthpiece of these governments. Other governments support the elections. The article should absolutely cover that the election is disputed by some governments, but we should not be pretend that the US or aligned governments are necessarily "right" here. --Masem (t) 02:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
              • Why are we a mouthpeace for Syria? They claim to have had an election. Anyone who cares about democracy is laughing at this sham election. Why are we spreading the propaganda of Syria, Iran, Russia, China and North Korea? Jehochman Talk 02:21, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                • Ah yes, the "axis of evil." To avoid being a mouthpiece for them, let's instead be a mouthpiece for the CIA, that solves the problem entirely. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:25, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                • If there was complete worldwide rebuttal against the elections as rigged with only Syria acting as if they were legit, then yes, we may have room to speak against them. But all we have at least documented in the article is what appears to be five or six countries in the entire world that are speaking against it, far from anywhere close this to even consider it a fact that the elections were rigged. WP cannot make that assumption in Wikivoice, period, this is a fundamental NPOV issue. Now, I'm not saying the blurb as modified made that assumption in Wikivoice, but it stressed a point that made it clearly non-neutral. It would be like saying, back in 2016 "President Trump won the US election by a out-of-date electoral college system according to many experts." as the blurb. Fact and sourcable, but its editorializing that we cannot do. --Masem (t) 04:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                  • We don't give North Korea a veto. You are being patently absurd. All reliable sources are reporting that this is a sham election. We must say so or we are seriously deceiving the reader. Jehochman Talk 05:31, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a simple and neutral "is re-elected president". It only links to the article which does a good job. It does not say the election was democratic, or free, or fair, either. People unfamiliar will find out from the article; those familiar will know something's up anyway. Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    If the election is rigged, then he isn't "re-elected." He's declared president in a rigged election. Syria reported 95% support for Al-Assad with 78% turnout. More people voted for him, allegedly, than the total population of the parts of Syria under government control. This is painfully obvious fraud. Lying can take the form of stating something that's untrue, but there is also lying by omission, failing to include highly relevant facts. Wikipedia shouldn't do either. I know this is hard, but we should do the work needed to get this right. Jehochman Talk 04:17, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    This is world politics. If there is demonstrable consensus among world countries or world academia that the election was rigged, we could do that. But we can't put out a blurb that claims more than our article can. "Assad is declared winner in an election that had more voters than the population in the territories which could possibly hold an election,[according to whom?]" and was condemned by the United States and its allies but welcomed by Russia and its allies" is too long. Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:47, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    There is universal consensus among reliable sources that the election is a sham. Read the article. We are not judging what countries think. We follow what reliable sources say. Jehochman Talk 12:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Egregious case of false balance. --RaiderAspect (talk) 04:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    How about the alternative blurb? Jehochman Talk 05:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I've added a less sensationalist blurb as altblurb2. I personally don't think it should be added as, again, people can read the article and make a decision for themselves, but that is strictly factual so I wouldn't have a problem with it. Uses x (talk • contribs) 05:43, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Introducing "disputed" seems like a slippery slope to me. We'll have to decide in future which to label as disputed and which not - after all, plenty of elections are disputed including the most recent US election. Far better to just state the raw fact that there was an election, and person X won it, without attempting to editorialise in the blurb, then leave the detailed analysis to the article.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:10, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It doesn’t seem like a slippery slope to me because it’s what reliable sources are calling this election. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull – This bland simple sentence does not summarize the story in a balanced and accurate way. There's been ample RS reporting to show that Bashar wasn't (re-) "elected" in the normal sense of the term. If we can't agree on "disputed" or something similar, the blurb should be pulled. It's misleading, thus an error – Sca (talk) 12:50, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore that other countries/the EU consider it unfair. It's not us judging it unfair(which we shouldn't do) but merely reporting what others say about the fairness of the election. This is a significant aspect of the reporting. I agree that just saying "sham" or "disputed" should not be done because that would be us judging it. 331dot (talk) 13:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Any particular reason you're saying "restore" when it hasn't yet been pulled? – Sca (talk) 13:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I call for restoring the part of the blurb that was removed. 331dot (talk) 13:46, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's only a small subset of the rest of the world calling it unfair, it's not like the rest of the world is. Its a decidedly pro-Western democracy stance, which we should avoid trying to focus on even if we generally agree with it. --Masem (t) 13:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Absent a supranational body to make binding legal determinations about the fairness of elections, that's all we have. 331dot (talk) 13:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the article cites other countries giving congratulations to him without questioning the elections (albeit those countries having their own questionable politics under Western demographic standards), no, that's not the only bar, and that's the issue. WP can't take a moral stance here. --Masem (t) 13:58, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The reporting does not focus on the countries that say it was fair and as you point out most of those conduct unfair elections themselves. That's not our moral judgment, but that of RS. 331dot (talk) 14:09, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's ITN/R, the significance has already been determined. And writing "Bashar al-Assad is re-elected as president of Syria, giving him an executive seat on the WHO" is more obvious POV-pushing than whatever else has been suggested. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 09:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The election of Syria to the WHO executive happened at the Saturday session of the World Health Assembly, whereas the presidential election took place a week ago. So it would be good to report this fresher news. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Kay Lahusen

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Article: Kay Lahusen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Lesbian activist and photographer. Needs a few refs which obits should supply, will work on this today. Innisfree987 (talk) 12:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) San Jose shooting

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Consensus against and the discussion is getting deconstructive. --Tone 09:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2021 San Jose shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, a mass shooting in San Jose, California, leaves 10 people dead. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the United States, a mass shooting in San Jose, California, leaves 10 people dead, including the perpetrator.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In the United States, a mass shooting at a rail yard in San Jose, California, leaves 10 people dead.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Guardian, NYT, Reuters, USA Today, WaPo
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Nominator's comments: Deadliest mass shooting to ever affect the San Francisco Bay Area. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:04, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Bay Area has a population of 7.75 million, larger than many nations, and yet has never had a shooting of this scale until two days ago. This is certainly not "routine". AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
An area of 7.75 million is not bigger than most countries. Claiming to be the biggest in an area (without even saying it's the biggest ever in the state) does not make it ITN worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Read again: I said many, not most (although it's close either way). AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is 'routine' because it took place in a country with extremely poor public safety, comparable to countries that are currently in war, with hundreds of similar incidents per year. You can always find something to claim it's deadliest (e.g. deadliest in a city, deadliest in an area, deadliest in a neighbourhood populated by an ethnic group, deadliest on a Wednesday, deadliest during a weekend, deadliest using a handgun etc.) but that's implausible when you see the big picture, that is, shootings are all over the United States on a daily basis.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If a warzone underwent a record death toll, I, for one, would support the nomination. "Deaths" is not as obscure or trivial of a metric as you are making it seem for a mass shooting. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:54, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Take it to AFD, then, if it's truly non-notable, and do this encyclopedia a service. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The AFD will be populated with loads of Americans and kept. Which is the wrong outcome, but the one that would occur, because Wikipedia suffers from massive recentism issues. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"When I like the result, it's consensus. When I don't, it's American bias." AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, that's my opinion of many articles about recent events. It just happens that American shootings seem to be the ones coming up on ITNC all the time. I never mentioned American bias, I mentioned a problem with recentism. Go check how many non-US ITN items I've opposed before claiming that I just scream "American bias". Joseph2302 (talk) 08:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The first sentence of your comment was "The AFD will be populated with loads of Americans and kept", not "The AFD will be populated with loads of recentists and kept." The comment implies that someone's nationality would compel them to support inclusion of every article about things happening in their country, and that it would be impossible for them to a fair arbiter of notability or non-notability (read: bias). I don't care if you also happen to feel strongly about Malagasy bias or Icelandic bias or Antarctican bias or what have you, and I didn't say anywhere that opposing stuff in the USA was a recurring thing for you (I'm really not that inclined to check one way or the other). AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Where did you get the notion this was an act of domestic violence? It very much is not. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Mufti Abdul Razzaq

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Article: Mufti Abdul Razzaq (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Free Press Journal
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article updated. Subject was a notable scholar, Mufti and an activist of Indian freedom struggle. ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:52, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eric Carle

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Article: Eric Carle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, WaPo, NPR
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American designer and children's book writer, author of The Very Hungry Caterpillar, dies at age 91. Davey2116 (talk) 23:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support he was a very influential author, also wrote "Brown Bear, Brown Bear, what do you see?"

(Posted) RD: H. S. Doreswamy

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Article: H. S. Doreswamy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
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Nominator's comments: Indian civil rights activist. News just breaking. Article is almost ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 16:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Milieudefensie et al v Royal Dutch Shell

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Article: Milieudefensie et al v Royal Dutch Shell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In a landmark case, the district court of The Hague has ordered Royal Dutch Shell to cut its global carbon emissions by 45% by the end of 2030. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Wall Street Journal
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  • Comment: This is the first time a big oil company is ordered by a court to cut its carbon emissions. The Guardian calls it a landmark ruling and the Wall Street Journal argues it could set a precedent for other jurisdictions. Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 16:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments This does seem like a case that could set a major precedent, and I'm seeing coverage in plenty of major outlets (Bloomberg, NPR, CNN, etc.), but it's also a three-sentence article. I understand nominating things at ITN/C to help get the article developed, but this one needs a lot of development; based on importance, I would be inclined to support based on what I've seen of the story if the article is greatly expanded.. Also, I would take "compared to 2019 levels" out of the blurb; I get that it's theoretically notable, but IMO, not enough to take up space on the main page. -- Kicking222 (talk) 18:13, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have expanded it to the point that it would be minimum size for main page. --Masem (t) 18:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose It's great news and thanks to Masem it has enough information, but Royal Dutch Shell have said they're likely to appeal the decision, so ultimately it's a district court ordering something which might end up just being overturned. [Irish Independent] Uses x (talk • contribs) 19:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is up to date, sufficiently detailed and referenced (though a bit short), and the story is in reliable news sources now. Since the story is in the news now, it is most appropriate to post it now. What may or may not happen at future times regarding appeals and overturning is irrelevant as news sources are covering the verdict now. --Jayron32 19:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I am pretty sure that this will be overturned on appeal but it is being reported on in a lot of media, including here in Germany, making it ITN worthy. I did tag one statement as needing a secondary source though. Regards SoWhy 20:07, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The article is in good quality, and it's an interesting precedent which has received plenty of coverage. Of course, this case will drag on for years, but that's a different story. KittenKlub (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is an encyclopedic article, not a trash overhyped piece of pulp. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose misleading. The claim "contributing about 1% to global emissions" is cited to the Guardian which itself cites nothing but "court claims". Here is an actual fact: Shell is the 9th largest producer of greenhouse gas emissions when you factor in Scope 3 greenhouse gas emissions which factors in other parties burning oil produced by shell. That's right. [3] KLM burning oil? That's counted against shell. Dutch energy burning oil? That's counted against shell. Climate change is real, it is a serious threat to human health and food security, but this lawsuit is bullshit and the target article is propaganda. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Interesting article. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:32, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As someone who has recently published two peer-reviewed manuscripts on topics from energy economics, I consider this verdict of strategic significance in relation to efficient energy consumption. This doesn't set merely a precedent that may be followed by other judiciaries but it impacts the way energy consumption will be optimised in the future.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support an important case, not least because it includes all of their suppliers in this. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:11, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 09:30, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting. --Tone 09:40, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose post-posting: I understand the political significance highlighted by the support votes above. However, there is virtually no legal significance to this at all. As Judiciary of the Netherlands explains, this is a first-instance decision which is already under appeal. Given the issues and money involved, it's almost certain to end up in the Supreme Court of the Netherlands and probably also the European Court of Human Rights. It'll be literally years before we can tell whether this is genuinely significant. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep in mind that the same Dutch judicial system upheld similar action taken against the country's gov't in State of the Netherlands v. Urgenda Foundation a few years back to undertake actions to meet climate change goals, so there's a strong chance it will survive a challenge. I would agree that if this was a case originating out of a US federal district court, where there was little higher level action at SCOTUS, it probably would not have had similar news-shattering events. --Masem (t) 13:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • All that may be true, but it is also irrelevant. It is in the news now, which is why we post it now. Everyone has reasons why they find a story significant or important to themselves, but we rely on reliable sources at Wikipedia, not personal feelings or preferences. Sources are covering this story now, and it doesn't really matter what the story is, just that reliable sources are treating it as a big deal, which is why it is appropriate to post. --Jayron32 13:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-post support Not every blurb is limited to eradicating cancer ... or completely solving global warming. Quality new page that's prominently in the news works for me (not to be confused with a WP:NOTDIARY update of a celebrity).—Bagumba (talk) 11:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • PP Comment – The complexity of this issue, and its possible transitoriness, make it quite dubious as a blurb. – Sca (talk) 13:32, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed. I suspect it's nowhere near as significant as this discussion seems to think it is, but hey ho...  — Amakuru (talk) 13:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's life in the big city. (But hey, I learned that transitoriness is actually a word.) – Sca (talk) 14:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another comment - why is there a picture of Shell's headquarters attached to this story? I thought images were included to assist readers in understanding a story, but that picture of a building has very little to do with the court ruling or its ramifications. We'd rather just stick with the pic of the Samoan PM-elect, which at least is relevant to its story.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is that the royal we? ;-) – Sca (talk) 13:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

X-Press Pearl

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Article: X-Press Pearl (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Singaporean container ship X-Press Pearl explodes while anchored in Colombo Port, causing an oil spill in the sea around Sri Lanka. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
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(Posted) RD: Samuel E. Wright

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Article: Samuel E. Wright (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Aged 74. Voiced Sebastian the crab in The Little Mermaid. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 10:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cyclone Yaas

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Article: Cyclone Yaas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Cyclone Yaas impacts Odisha and West Bengal in East India, forcing the evacuation of more than a million people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Cyclone Yaas impacts Odisha, West Bengal and Bihar in Eastern India, directly affecting more than ten million people and causing ₹15,000 crore (equivalent to ₹170 billion or US$2.0 billion in 2023) in damage in West Bengal alone.
News source(s): The Guardian, IMD, Hindustan Times, Free Press Journal, AP, The Economic Times
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Article updated

  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  11:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait While it has caused a large number of evacuations, if there are minimal deaths, this likely will not be appropriate to post for ITN. --Masem (t) 12:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not saying that number of deaths won't make it, but it is this time of year that storms will threaten several parts of the world and will do damage, but we simply don't have room to post all landfall-making, damage-dealing storms with few-to-no death counts, even if it causes temporary displace of millions of people. I'm only saying wait here because the landfall was this morning so full impact is not yet known. --Masem (t) 13:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I understand that everything can't be included in the ITN. But, the degree of damage is very high, as the areas got flooded (it didn't even happen during the Super cyclone last year) due to high tide at the time of landfall.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  14:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very high impact, potential/likely further impact, number of deaths already. Article is decent. Melmann 13:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I did my best to find all the reported deaths from Yaas and I got 7. When did you get the three more, @ArnabSaha:? You are welcome to edit the article to reflect the latest informations about the impact of Yaas. I'm currently on my wikibreak, but I'll do my best to update the article. Thanks and stay safe, 🌀HurricaneParrot🐦 13:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 25

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May 25, 2021 (2021-05-25) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

  • The MV X-Press Pearl, a container ship sailing with a Singaporean flag and carrying cosmetics and chemicals, including 25 tonnes of nitric acid, catches fire off the coast of Sri Lanka after an explosion was detected onboard. Rescuers evacuated all crew from the ship and reported that two people were injured. (Reuters)

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Cotton Ivy

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Article: Cotton Ivy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Tennessean
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Comedian, member of the Tennessee House of Representatives, and Tennessee Commissioner of Agriculture Jon698 (talk) 01:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eilat Mazar

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Article: Eilat Mazar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Haaretz; The Times of Israel
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Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 03:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Warner

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Article: John Warner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Washington Post
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: U.S. Senator from Virginia (1979–2009). There are a few things which need proper citation, but generally looks decent. rawmustard (talk) 12:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose There are little to no citations for the Early life and education and Secretary of the Navy section. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Still has large unsourced sections. These sorts of entries are too bad because I am guessing pretty much all is verifiable, just not verified, which is usually acceptable to WP policy. I guess understandable to have different standards for Main page tho, given potential for embarrassment. Innisfree987 (talk) 11:13, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose way too much unsourced text. As an aside, why does that article have a succession box for "Husband of Elizabeth Taylor"? He didn't succeed anyone as husband, and the next person was five years later. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:20, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ben Kruger

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Article: Ben Kruger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jacaranda FM
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: South African actor, died of COVID-19. Needs a bit of work and sourcing I would guess. Will work on it today.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tarcisio Burgnich

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Article: Tarcisio Burgnich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Malta Independent
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Italian footballer. Looks in OK condition already to me.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Anthony Lazzaro (university administrator)

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Article: Anthony Lazzaro (university administrator) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times; University of Southern California
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (May 25); died on May 20. —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mark York

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Article: Mark York (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent NME
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Actor Mark York also known as Marcus A. York, known for his role on the US The Office. Article was recently created since one did not exist before but coverage generated from his death have made him notable enough for a standalone article.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 15:06, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have a concern that of the sources present in the article only one predates his death (the People source). Otherwise, we're looking at a BLP1E issue here which is a problem both from a notability standpoint and RD posting. I'd recommend trying to find a few more sources pre-dating the death to show he was notable before this point. --Masem (t) 15:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Question: Are people only allowed to become notable if there is writing about them before they die? How do you square that with the existence of articles like Vincent van Gogh where, most certainly, there is not enough source text about his life written before he died. Why are reliable sources written after a person's death not suitable for citing in an article? --Jayron32 15:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Obviously for people that lived well before the existence of mass media, there's different standards (and of course, people have written at length about Van Gogh well after his death). But for an actor who's career was 100% within the realm of widespread Internet coverage, to have almost no coverage until their death indicates that they were more a minor actor, only getting attention due to death of the actor of a character from a popular show. I'd love to be proven wrong in terms of more sources that existed while the Office was being filmed, for example, but if we're just building an article off obits, even semi-lengthy ones, that's a general BLP1e issue. --Masem (t) 16:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm curious as to why you are invoking WP:BLP1E here; surely his various acting roles count as multiple events for which he is notable. Also, where can I read about this Wikipedia policy or guideline that says for people who died after the internet existed, we're not allowed to use sources written after their death. I would like to make sure I am following this from now on... --Jayron32 16:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The 1E is his death here. Acting in small roles are not significant events if they drew no coverage at the time of their broadcast and only attention at the point of death - otherwise any credited actor in any work would be immediately notable and that's not something our notability guidelines allow. --Masem (t) 17:09, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    But he's not notable for dying. He's notable for acting. The 1E is not his death. Furthermore, you still haven't told me where I can read about this rule that sources published after a persons death during the internet age can't be used. I would really like to read this. --Jayron32 20:01, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I think WP:BASIC or WP:ENT would be more appropriate, but the result is the same. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for comment, in digging around only managed to find one other RS besides the People magazine one, [7], I'll have a look to see if I can find anything in local newspapers though.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 16:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment www.google.com/search?q=%22Mark+York%22+before%3A2021 - can't find anything. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem: I managed to find these 3 clippings in local papers [8][9][10]. These 3 + the other 2 previously mentioned, what are your thoughts? Regards  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 16:50, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Local sources would be fine, not best, but better than nothing. --Masem (t) 17:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I can't find anything with a DuckDuckGo search either. Site note: all the news sites are just re-writing his obituary in their own words, so they should be treated as primary sources. Uses x (talk • contribs) 15:53, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    For searches, the subject also was known as Marcus A. York or Mark A. York (was torn which article title to put as mostly credited as Marcus A. York but obituaries only went with "Mark York" so chose the latter) His IMdb for example is under that name [11]. Pre 2021 I have found two articles [12][13]  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 16:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I think people don’t realize that even internet-age newspaper articles will not always appear in a Google search. There’s a whole other world of material available in newspaper databases that you can access via libraries. I found one Dayton newspaper article about him from as far back as 2003. Zagalejo (talk) 12:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Blatant plug time: Any registered Wiki editor can apply for a |Wikipedia Library Card, and besides immediate access to other sources, you can then apply to get access via your Wikimedia account to newspapers.com. It is not full 100% access there (you can search but you can't necessarily read all but you can at least search and see a clip image (sufficient to see the ones that Spy-cicle pointed out). --Masem (t) 14:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Now at AfD, so ineligible until that is resolved. P-K3 (talk) 01:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The AfD was marked as speedily keep. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 14:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I've withdrawn the AFD due to the additions of the newspapers expanding his advocacy work. The article is now fully cited, and has a good amount of information. Non-primary sources would be preferable for his personal life, but there's absolutely no reason to doubt that info. Uses x (talk • contribs) 09:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Even without the recent additions, I think this would have been fine. Decent coverage before death and a broad, if short, set of credits. A well composed BLP.130.233.213.199 (talk) 13:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose York has not "received significant coverage in multiple published" sources (WP:BASIC), nor has he "had significant roles in multiple notable" works (WP:ENT). I know some like to ignore the word "significant" to force through these borderline cases, but I believe it's there for a reason. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @GreatCaesarsGhost: The AfD was speedy kept.—Bagumba (talk) 13:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It was withdrawn with modest comments. That doesn't mean anything. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It's quite short, but has enough I think for ITN. Marking as ready.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 22:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Malaysia train collision

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Article: 2021 Kelana Jaya LRT collision (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Rail accident happened in Malaysia involving 2 Bombardier Innovia Metro train (Post)
News source(s): ChannelNewsAsia, The Sun Daily
Credits:
@Sca: What does the last part of your sentence mean? (the one with the <small> tag? I'm not nominating this. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:31, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, my mistake! – Sca (talk) 18:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I hope this mistake isn't an indication of something else.... :) --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 18:51, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the nominator. (Diff of addition). Uses x (talk • contribs) 16:59, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 24

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Armed conflicts and attacks

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Health and environment

International relations

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Politics and elections

RD: Stuart Ross Taylor

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Article: Stuart Ross Taylor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ANU
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Article needs updating
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 Count Iblis (talk) 00:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Mali coup d'état

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Article: 2021 Malian coup d'état (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Malian army arrests the president, prime minister and the defence minister after a government personnel reshuffle. (Post)
News source(s): Onet.pl from PAP & Reuters, The Guardian, France24, AP, BBC, Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Mali is no stranger to political unrest but the army arresting 3 most politically important people is world news even when in the most turbulent of states. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What article? AllegedlyHuman (talk) 01:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That would seem to imply that coups of this sort are not unusual in Mali. – Sca (talk) 13:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Constitutional Crisis in Samoa

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Article: 2021 Samoan constitutional crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After the Supreme Court of Samoa declares Naomi Mataʻafa the prime minister following a close election, previous prime minister Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi locks her and her party out of parliament and refuses to concede power, sparking a constitutional crisis. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following the Supreme Court's decision to declare Naomi Mataʻafa as prime minister, former prime minister Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi refuses to concede power and locks the FAST Party out of parliament, sparking a constitutional crisis
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former Samoan prime minister Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi refuses to concede power to Naomi Mataʻafa and the FAST Party, creating a constitutional crisis
Alternative blurb III: ​ A makeshift ceremony is held to swear in Naomi Mataʻafa as Prime Minister of Samoa after former PM Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi locks her and her party out of parliament.
News source(s): NPR, BBC, CNN, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: An update to a blurb that's rolled off, the former Prime Minister of Samoa has refused to hand over power. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:10, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Soon to be a major motion picture. – Sca (talk) 14:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It would be best to carry on discussions of errors in the blurb at WP:ERRORS, the venue designed to discuss errors. They tend to get handled faster there. --Jayron32 20:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jayron32: The error was already fixed. The question I posed was whether the blurb needed expansion after its shortening, which is not an error, per se. But sure, there might be less eyes here for a topic already posted. Its a gray area where it belongs.—Bagumba (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Max Mosley

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Article: Max Mosley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: President of the FIA and son of Oswald Mosley  The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:12, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) COVID-19 pandemic in India

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Article: COVID-19 pandemic in India (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Deaths in India due to COVID-19 crosses 300,000. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ India becomes the third country to cross 300,000 deaths due to COVID-19.
Alternative blurb II: ​ 100,000 fatalities due to COVID-19 in India in the past 26 days takes India past 300,000 COVID-19 deaths in total.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Amidst a fall in new daily COVID-19 cases, India's death toll due to COVID-19 crosses 300,000.
News source(s): TOI, BBC, France24, Al Jazeera, CNN
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 DTM (talk) 13:25, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose posting the third country to cross an arbitrary figure; it's no longer significant if that's the case. Given India's large population it's also less signficant than in other countries as it's a smaller percentage. Furthermore, such figures are very inaccurate as many deaths due to covid are likely unidentified. 331dot (talk) 13:27, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the pandemic is on ongoing, and developments in individual countries aren't ITN worthy. Especially when they're not the first country to do it. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:30, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If, and I mean if, they surpass the United States in total COVID cases, THEN we can start talking about putting it as a blurb. Right now though? Not so much... Fakescientist8000 (talk) 14:21, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Arbitrary figure. It's a big country so it's going to get big numbers. It's already covered in Ongoing, as well. Uses x (talk • contribs) 15:23, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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May 23

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May 23, 2021 (2021-05-23) (Sunday)

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Business and economy

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) RD: Charles Boutin

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Article: Charles Boutin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mayor of Aberdeen, Maryland, and member of the Maryland House of Delegates Jon698 (talk) 21:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: When it comes to language, length and referencing, this nom should qualify for RD. However, as I read through this article, it seems somewhat lacking -- it's more like a record of job changes turned into prose than a biography. There is no info on the subject's accomplishments as President of the Board of Ed. There is no mention of what happened in Aberbeen when the the subject was mayor for a few years. There is date, place and cause of death but nothing on how. So, I am not sure if this is a wikibio that should be showcased on MainPage. Perhaps this nom needs another pair eyes to go through it. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 06:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Uses x: Hi. I noticed that you've removed the "(Attention needed)" tag from the header. Would you have any comments on this nomination, please? Am I expecting too much from a wikibio? Thank you. --PFHLai (talk) 21:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @PFHLai Usually attention needed is for when you need an admin's attention so they can post (it stands out more than (ready)). Really, most RDs and blurbs need improvement before they post, so there's no reason to mark them. Honestly it's a good bio anyway at a glance, but I haven't checked the references. Uses x (talk • contribs) 21:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very well cited and all the information matches the references. I agree that most of the information is just jobs he held and things he pushed for, but that's fairly typical for politicians. It's certainly RD quality anyway. Uses x (talk • contribs) 21:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Thank you for the review, Uses x. --PFHLai (talk) 21:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Peru mass shooting

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Article: San Miguel del Ene attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least fourteen people are killed in a mass shooting in San Miguel del Ene by the Militarized Communist Party of Peru. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, Bloomberg
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Nominator's comments: Up to 18 people were killed; the Militarized Communist Party of Peru is a faction of Shining Path. The attack has taken place just a few weeks before the upcoming general elections in Peru, on 6 June. NoonIcarus (talk) 00:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 22:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull This article has changed not a whit since it's very first edit/creation, and it's fallen off the news so it apparently never will. It's still a janky disaster stub, which does not even have a section for the attack itself (the tiny bits of information are hidden in Investigation). It's 99% background, narrative and reactions; there is not even a description of the attack. While I don't dispute the notability, nor the unusual aspects, the article is completely uninformative and might as well be moved to a list somewhere.130.233.213.199 (talk) 11:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Perfection is not required, and the article, which can always be improved in the ways that you notes, is sufficient for the main page. There's no need to pull it, it appears that what is known about the shooting is in the article (the number dead, who is suspected of undertaking it, and what the current state of the investigation is). Could it be improved regarding sectioning, expansion, and narrative flow? Sure it could. Are these problems insurmountable or so egregious that it shouldn't be on the main page? No. --Jayron32 12:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ron Hill

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Article: Ron Hill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British runner and Europpean champion. The article needs some work. SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:59, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Paulo Mendes da Rocha

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Article: Paulo Mendes da Rocha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Folha de S. Paulo, O Globo, Business Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian architect. Arguably one the greatest architects alive (winner of the Pritzker Architecture Prize and the Mies van der Rohe Award). Unfortunately, the article is a stub with a lot of work to do. --SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:38, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2021 PGA Championship

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Article: 2021 PGA Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Phil Mickelson (pictured) wins the PGA Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In golf, Phil Mickelson (pictured) wins the PGA Championship, making him the oldest player to win a major.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Currently leading by two strokes, very likely at this point that he will win Event has now concluded. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) SC Magdeburg win EHF European League

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Article: 2020–21 EHF European League (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2020–21 EHF European League is dominated won by German teams concludes with an all-German podium as SC Magdeburg, Füchse Berlin and Rhein-Neckar Löwen come 1st, 2nd and 3rd respectively. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ SC Magdeburg beat Füchse Berlin 28-22 to win the 2020–21 EHF European League.
News source(s): Eurosport
Credits:
 Abcmaxx (talk) 22:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Stresa-Mottarone cable car disaster

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Article: Stresa-Mottarone cable car disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A cable car near Lake Maggiore, Italy, fell after a cable line snapped, killing 14 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Italy, 14 people are killed after a cable car near Lake Maggiore fell after a cable line snapped.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57219737
Credits:

Article updated

 KTC (talk) 17:41, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Ryanair Flight 4978

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Article: Ryanair Flight 4978 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ryanair Flight 4978 (aircraft involved pictured) is forced to land at Minsk National Airport, Belarus after a false bomb alert. Journalist Raman Pratasevich is arrested by Belarussian authorities. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Belarus, journalist Raman Pratasevich is arrested by Belarussian authorities after Ryanair Flight 4978 (aircraft involved pictured) is forced to land at Minsk National Airport due to a false bomb alert.
News source(s): (BBC)
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Nominator's comments: Apparent political kidnapping (my words), breach of a host of ICAO rules. Likely to be fallout from this one. Article needs development. This is explicitly not an AIRCRASH nomination, so please do not object on those grounds. It is nominated for the political aspect of the event. Mjroots (talk) 17:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lorrae Desmond

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Article: Lorrae Desmond (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gold Logie winner and A Country Practice star Lorrae Desmond dead aged 91 – news.com.au, 23 May 2021
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Australian actress and singer whose career spanned from 1945 to 2001 – Ianblair23 (talk) 06:13, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Eruption of Mount Nyiragongo

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Article: 2021 Mount Nyiragongo eruption (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mount Nyiragongo–one of the Decade Volcanoes–erupts, forcing the evacuation of Goma, DR Congo. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: While there are no reports of damage or death yet, I believe that the evacuation of a city of two million, along with Nyiragongo's status as a decade volcano, makes this blurbable regardless. That said, we may see casualties shortly. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bob Fulton

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Article: Bob Fulton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manly legend and NRL Immortal Bob Fulton dies aged 73 – Sydney Morning Herald, 23 May 2021
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian rugby league player, coach, commentator and immortal – Ianblair23 (talk) 04:25, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) St Johnstone's double

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Article: 2021 Scottish Cup Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ St. Johnstone win Scottish Cup, defeating Hibernian 1–0 with Shaun Rooney scoring the only goal of the game, only three months after winning 2021 Scottish League Cup Final against Livingston F.C. by the same margin and thanks to the same goalscorer. This victory cements the historic 2020–21 season, becoming the only team outside of the Old Firm and Aberdeen to win a cup double ever and by far the smallest team to do so.
News source(s): St Johnstone 1–0 Hibernian - BBC Sport, 22 May 2021
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Nominator's comments: One of the biggest minnow success in sporting history Abcmaxx (talk) 23:19, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if I have ever seen such majesty presented on ITN/C. Kicking222 (talk) 08:02, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose No match writeup. No opinion if this non-ITRN item is significant. Perhaps WP:IAR piggyback with an ITNR football item, if one ends up being posted.—Bagumba (talk) 05:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • All European leagues except those in polar climates are concluding now. This one is the 11th best in Europe, and the competitions named aren't even the main ones in Scotland. If we assume each better league has a championship and a cup, there are 20 stories in football that mean more right now. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:27, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongest possible oppose - The second and third most important competitions in Europe's 11th-best domestic league. That grandiose alt blurb has not been written with the smallest grain of neutrality either. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:27, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • no Uses x (talk • contribs) 17:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - good faith nomination, interesting item for football fans, but not of sufficient importance to justify an ITN listing. Article quality is also lacking, but this could be a suitable DYK. Stormy clouds (talk) 20:00, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominator comment some of these opposes are unfairly harsh. Perth has a population of 80,000 and SJ's attendances are around the 3000 mark. Considering Celtic and Rangers regularly pull in 60000 on even obscure cup games and have won almost everything; the other teams that even challenged their dominance are from large cities (Aberdeen, Dundee, Edinburgh); this double win is a remarkable achievement, more so than when Leicester won the English Premier League. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:22, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose better suited for DYK. Interesting, but they didn't even win the league, or even get within 50 points of winning the league. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 20:27, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We have to have some limits to the football stories we post. The Scottish cups are not significant enough. P-K3 (talk) 21:11, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose whilst interesting in the UK, this doesn't have significant enough impact to be ITN worthy. These are two cup competitions, not even a league competition. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:25, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Syamsuddin Mahmud

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Article: Syamsuddin Mahmud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kompas
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former Governor of Aceh (1993-2000). COVID-19. Pinging recent updaters to the ITN templates: @PFHLai: Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Gansu ultramarathon disaster

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Article: Gansu ultramarathon disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 21 ultramarathon runners die due to extreme weather while competing in Gansu, China. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 21 trail runners died due to extreme weather in an ultramarathon in Jingtai, China.
Alternative blurb II: ​ 21 trail runners, mostly professional atheletes, died due to extreme weather in an ultramarathon.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: One of the deadliest outdoor sports accident in the history of China. --SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:53, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: André Ribeiro (racing driver)

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Article: André Ribeiro (racing driver) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Motor Sport, Auto Sport, Racer
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Brazilian racing driver. The article is a stub and need some work. SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Two major earthquakes

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Articles: 2021 Dali earthquake (talk · history · tag) and 2021 Maduo earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two MS 6.4 and MS 7.4 earthquakes struck Dali Perfecture and Madoi County, leaving 3 death, many injured and lots of destruction. (Post)
News source(s): [14] and [15]
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Although the casuality was not extreme, the earthquake left major emergency impact. For example, Matö County students, primarily Tibetan, are now studying in yurts on May 23. 173.68.165.114 (talk) 07:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD or blurb: Yuan Longping

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Article: Yuan Longping (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): South China Morning Post, AP
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Joe Beckwith

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Article: Joe Beckwith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dothan Eagle; Auburn University
Credits:

Article updated
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Atletico Madrid wins La Liga

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Article: 2020–21 La Liga (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Atlético Madrid wins 2020–21 La Liga. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The winner of La Liga is ITN/R, and unlike the Premier League, this year's La Liga was decided on the final day of the season. Unlike the nomination about Bundesliga, the La Liga article does not yet have a prose summary--although this only happened a few hours ago, so give editors a few hours to fix that. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support La Liga is ITN/R. Furthermore, Atlético Madrid's win seems extraordinary given that the league is usually dominated by two teams (Barcelona and Real Madrid). It is Atlético's first win since 2014. signed, Pat talk 06:07, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • If Getafe won that would be extraordinary, not one of the world's richest teams, one of the failed Super League founders, a regular CL participant, the 3rd best Spanish team of all time, one that has only been relegated twice, spent only 2 seasons outside La Liga since 1934 and have finished either 1st 2nd or 3rd in the last 10 years. Abcmaxx (talk) 01:41, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality needs more prose e.g. a season summary section like the Premier League article has. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:40, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I'm not sure the national leagues should be in the ITN.--WEBDuB (talk) 08:55, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The event has already been determined to be ITN/R. Its notability has been assessed.AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The topic, not the event. Hardly newsworthy, this is merely routine coverage. Much more newsworthy footballing stories have been turned down. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, this specific event, La Liga. It has already been pre-determined to be newsworthy.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not all league are ITN/R; this one is. Being special is irrelevant. -- Kicking222 (talk) 02:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Only prose on season play is two sentences ... in the lead.—Bagumba (talk) 05:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now per all of the above; article in question has no significant prose writing about the season. I would expect a full season synopsis, covering all of the major highlights, before posting this to the main page. Consider this vote a full support after that has been done.--Jayron32 15:25, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Lewandowski breaks Gerd Muller's record

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Article: Robert Lewandowski (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the 2020–21 Bundesliga, Robert Lewandowski breaks Gerd Müller's 49-year old record for most goals scored in one Bundesliga season. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the 2020–21 Bundesliga, Bayern Munich wins its ninth consecutive and 30th overall title, while Robert Lewandowski breaks Gerd Müller's 49-year old record for most goals scored in one Bundesliga season.
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, SI, CNN
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Nominator's comments: I know we don't usually post sporting records unless they are very significant, but Gerd Müller's 40 goals in one Bundesliga season record is a long-standing record with cultural significance in Germany, and the chase for Gerd Müller's record was covered extensively this season. We also failed to post Bayern Munich's ITN/R Bundesliga win while we were in the middle of debating whether we post blurbs at the end of the season or after they're mathematically clinched, so this might be an opportunity to pop that in as well. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Eurovision Song Contest 2021

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Article: Eurovision Song Contest 2021 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Italy, represented by Måneskin with the song "Zitti e buoni", wins the Eurovision Song Contest in Rotterdam, the Netherlands. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At the Eurovision Song Contest 2021 in Rotterdam, Netherlands, Italy wins with their respresentatives, Måneskin, and their song "Zitti e buoni".
News source(s): [16]
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Nominating it now so we can discuss blurb layout which is discussed each year. -- AxG / ✉  23:13, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jorge García Carneiro

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Article: Jorge García Carneiro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tal Cual
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Nominator's comments: Venezuelan politician and governor of the Vargas state for over ten years. Died while in office. NoonIcarus (talk) 13:47, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing: Colombian protests

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Article: 2021 Colombian protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): AJ, CNN, Guardian, NYT, Reuters
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Despite the president's concession on 2 May, these protests have not only continued but grown in recent days; "The anger driving Colombia's protest movement isn't going away anytime soon". This event is still very much ongoing and, seeing as the article has been continually updated, deserves to be in the ongoing section. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:19, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Looking at the scale of the protests I think it's significant enough, and the article is decent quality. The problem is the most recent update to actual events (not reactions, etc) is only three brief and insignificant sentences for 20 May (they got removed from a football championship, and confirmation that the blockade continued). That's the only proper update since the date of the oldest blurb currently on ITN (dated 15 May), which is what the critera for 'Updated' is, so that's not currently met. Looking at the sparsity of updates I don't think it'd stay updated for long anyway, so I suggest waiting for a significant event and nominating that as a blurb instead, and seeing how it goes from there. Uses x (talk • contribs) 05:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Concur with Uses x. Article not having significant, consistent updates. If there is a singular event of importance, would consider a blurb. SpencerT•C 01:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Health Service Executive cyberattack
    • It is revealed that documents and patient records have already been leaked online from the Irish Health Service Executive ransomware cyberattack. These files were offered by the "ContiLocker Team", believed to be related to be the "Wizard Spider" group from Eastern Europe, as samples to prove that they had confidential information. The 27 files include personal records of 12 individuals, including admissions records and laboratory results. The group claims to have stolen 700GB of unencrypted files from the Irish health service, including patient and employee information, contracts, financial statements and payroll records. (News Talk)
    • A decryption key for the hospital records has been provided to the Irish Health Service Executive. The government says that it had not paid and would not pay any ransom in exchange for the purported key. The group responsible for the cyberattack continues to threaten to sell patient data. (US News and World Report)
  • Animal welfare and rights in Germany
  • CNA Financial, the seventh-largest commercial insurer in the United States, reveals that in March 2021, it was the target of a ransomware attack and had paid $40 million to a group named Phoenix two weeks after a trove of company data was stolen, and CNA officials were locked out of their network. The CNA hackers used malware called Phoenix Locker, a variant of ransomware dubbed Hades. Hades was created by a Russian cybercrime syndicate known as Evil Corp., according to cybersecurity experts. In December 2019, the Treasury Department announced sanctions on 17 individuals and six entities linked to Evil Corp. The designation by the Treasury Department made it illegal for a U.S. company to knowingly pay a ransom to Evil Corp. (Bloomberg)(FOX Business)
  • One Catholic priest is killed and another kidnapped in an armed attack on the parish in Malunfashi, Sokoto State, in northern Nigeria. Several other people are wounded in the assault. (Fides)

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(Posted) RD: Usman Mansoorpuri

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Article: Usman Mansoorpuri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Greater Kashmir, Roznama Sahara Urdu
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on 21 May 2021. National President of Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind, Noted Indian Islamic scholar. Article is not stub and I'll update once more sources are available to me. ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:25, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Leader of Boko Haram dies

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Article: Abubakar Shekau (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Abubakar Shekau, the leader of Boko Haram, dies after detonating a suicide vest during a battle with ISWAP insurgents. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.wsj.com/articles/boko-haram-leader-responsible-for-chibok-schoolgirl-kidnappings-dies-11621608392
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 24.28.96.202 (talk) 19:59, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. [17] – Sca (talk) 17:34, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until it's confirmed beyond a doubt. From the WaPo article: "The Nigerian military and regional forces have declared Shekau dead at least four times since 2009. After such announcements, Shekau released video messages, mocking the government while firing bullets into the air." Johndavies837 (talk) 18:27, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 21:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb if well known respectable people don't get blurbs, then terrorists definitely shouldn't. Oppose RD until it's actually confirmed, particularly given the comment that he's previously been incorrectly confirmed dead. I would say close this, and open or renominate once actually confirmed.... Joseph2302 (talk) 00:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Being well-known & respectable isn't sufficient for a blurb. Shekau is/was Africa's highest-ranking terrorist as the leader of the continent's largest & most active terrorist group. No-one here is claiming that he was a good person, but his importance in his field can't be denied. Jim Michael (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The only source currently cited on the page says The circumstances leading to the death of notorious terror group leader, Abubakar Shekau, have been disputed by various reports, with many insisting that he may in fact still be alive. The page seems to be a current BLP violation with no tags or discussion to be found.—Bagumba (talk) 07:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD is for people who are verifiably dead. Per the above observations, we should wait for a suitable number of statements from both sympathetic and antagonistic sources. Strong oppose blurb Osama bin Laden was posted because he was an internationally known, notorious, and hunted leader of a terrorist organization which perpetrated the most notable attack in a generation. It was not because he was merely the leader of Al Qeuda. I could not have told you who Shekau was before yesterday, and did not even know Boko Haram had a defined organization, and while the kidnappings were certainly brutal, they were not as unusual as the simultaneous destruction of several highrises.2001:708:20:1300:0:0:0:1650 (talk) 11:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - BH frequently uses very young, often female, suicide bombers - some of whom are the kids they've kidnapped, so they're also unusual. Battle of Sambisa Forest (2021) was created today. The battle is important enough to be posted, even without Shekau's death. The two large jihadist groups used to be closely allied. Jim Michael (talk) 14:28, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Klemen Tinal

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Article: Klemen Tinal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio New Zealand
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Nominator's comments: Incumbent vice governor of Papua. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis

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Article: 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A ceasefire is enacted during the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis, after over 200 are killed. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A ceasefire is enacted between Israel and Hamas during the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis, after over 200 are killed.
News source(s): AP (says 200+ dead), Reuters (says 243 dead), BBC (says 250+ dead) Guardian AlJezeera dpa NYT. – Sca (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Ceasefire has come into effect, ends the 11 day "war", as described by AP. The fact that both sides have declared victory further indicates that this round of fighting is over. starship.paint (exalt) 10:38, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support removing from ongoing and posting a blurb for the ceasefire. This is clearly a conclusion of this episode in the conflict.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Should the truce be documented in a separate article that we can use as a target?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:20, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    No. There's not enough to say about it, and its background section would just essentially duplicate this one. Best left as the beginning of the aftermath of the main event article. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support moving from ongoing to blurb section. Article remains high quality, news sources indicate this is a significant event worth mentioning. --Jayron32 11:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait This ceasefire seems less shaky than other ceasefires have, but we should maybe give it a couple of days to be sure(r). Wouldn't want to look foolish. Encyclopedias aren't papers, timeliness can relax a bit. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Whether or not the ceasefire ends at a later date, it has been declared recently, and news sources are covering it now. Waiting would mean that the story we post is not also being covered by news stories, and the primary purpose of ITN is to provide people who visit the Wikipedia main page with a Wikipedia article that elaborates on a story they are also reading about in other articles. Should the ceasefire prove ephemeral, updating the blurb is trivial and easy. --Jayron32 11:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Easy update, sure, but then we're left with a blurb that announces Day 13 (or whatever) of something that was already ongoing. Or we could just restore it as Ongoing. Not quite opposed to posting fast and just staying optimistic, either. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment At least the lead should be cleaned up from present tense, "so far", "have been", etc.—Bagumba (talk) 11:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – pending expansion of article update – This has been by far the No. 1 RS story internationally since Thursday afternoon (U.S. time). Amazing that it hasn't been posted yet. Note that Guardian leads with "World leaders have hailed (the) ceasefire." – Sca (talk) 12:57, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's definitely no rush to post if there's only a one line update to talk about the ceasefire. There needs to be details about that before it can go up. --Masem (t) 13:05, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
10-4. Thorough coverage at NYT. – Sca (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've used Sca's NYT report to expand the article's coverage of the ceasefire to a full paragraph, using basically everything the NYT article had that was new information about the ceasefire itself (i.e. not merely recaps of the conflict). --Jayron32 14:38, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Jay. I stuck "– halted by a May 21 ceasefire –" into the lead. Does that work for you? – Sca (talk) 15:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
NYT describes Asqa Mosque incident Friday as "a small skirmish," and Reuters calls it "brief clashes." Seems your Twitter citation may be somewhat outdated. – Sca (talk) 13:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Marked attn. – Sca (talk) 22:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 
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(Closed) Australian climate strikes

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Consensus against posting. starship.paint (exalt) 09:24, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: School strike for climate (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thousands of people join student-led climate strikes around Australia (Post)
News source(s): ABC News, Sydney Morning Herald, Yahoo News, BBC News
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Nominator's comments: First major climate strikes internationally since the COVID-19 pandemic JMonkey2006 (talk) 09:12, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Sunderlal Bahuguna

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Article: Sunderlal Bahuguna (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
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Nominator's comments: environmentalist Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Nizamuddin Asir Adrawi

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Article: Nizamuddin Asir Adrawi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Baseerat Online Urdu
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian Muslim scholar and biographer. Article updated. Will expand further once more sources are available. ─ The Aafī (talk) 02:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 20

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(Posted) RD: Ken Garland

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Article: Ken Garland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [22]
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Nominator's comments: Graphic Designer Rgm38 (talk) 21:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Len Badger

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Article: Len Badger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky Sports; Sheffield United
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 23:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Eric Winstanley

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Article: Eric Winstanley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Barnsley footballer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:04, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted RD) RD/Blurb: Kentaro Miura

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Article: Kentaro Miura (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kentaro Miura, the Japanese mangaka, and the author of Berserk, dies at the age of 54. (Post)
News source(s): Asahi Shimbun, Le Monde, la Republica, The Sun
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Nominator's comments: Author of Berserk. Died on the 6th, announced today. Mlb96 (talk) 04:34, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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May 19

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(Posted) RD: Wiranto Arismunandar

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Article: Wiranto Arismunandar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Minister of Education of Indonesia (1998). Requesting Spencer and PFHLai to take a look at this. Probably put this up alongside Bob Cullison (and probably Charles C. Hagemeister). Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 09:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • OK This wikibio could use a little more info on Wiranto's participation in the 1992 election (presumably he lost? how? to whom?), but overall it seems good enough for ITN:RD. --PFHLai (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@PFHLai: Election systems in Indonesia used the party list system, as in there's a list with numbers from one to probably a hundred so there's no competition (Wiranto is number 92). And I do not see his name in the list of parliament members, so how do I cite the absence of something as a prove that he was not elected? --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:23, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeromi Mikhael: That was a small gap. Let's not worry about it if there is no useable reference materials. Spencer's suggestion works for me. One may expect more about the outcome in another election system. --PFHLai (talk) 21:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Spencer:   Done thank you for reminding me for that and for posting. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 18:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Charles C. Hagemeister

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Article: Charles C. Hagemeister (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KMEG; Leavenworth Times
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Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 09:40, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Quintin Jones (prisoner)

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Article: Quintin Jones (prisoner) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): UPI CBS
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Execution in Texas. The article is fully cited. Uses x (talk • contribs) 03:20, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Paul Mooney

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Article: Paul Mooney (comedian) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TMZ, NYT, CNN
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Writer for Richard Pryor and appeared on Chappelle's Show Buffaboy talk 21:14, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 18

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(Posted) RD: Bob Cullison

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Article: Bob Cullison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Oklahoman
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Member of the Oklahoma House of Representatives and Oklahoma Senate and served as President pro tempore of the Oklahoma Senate Jon698 (talk) 23:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jesús Santrich

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Article: Jesús Santrich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País
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Nominator's comments: Leader of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) NoonIcarus (talk) 09:57, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gilles Lupien

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Article: Gilles Lupien (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Montreal Gazette; NHL.com; The Sports Network
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Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 09:19, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Franco Battiato

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Article: Franco Battiato (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Corriere Della Sera, Times of Malta
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: One of the most popular musicians in Italy. The article has several issues and will require a lot of work. --SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 03:45, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rennie Stennett

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Article: Rennie Stennett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MLB.com; The Mercury News; Associated Press
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Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 23:51, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Naomi Mataʻafa becomes Prime Minister of Samoa

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Article: April 2021 Samoan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Naomi Mataʻafa (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Samoa after the Supreme Court rules against an election re-run. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Naomi Mataʻafa (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Samoa after her victory in the general election is confirmed by the Supreme Court.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Naomi Mataʻafa (pictured) is elected Prime Minister of Samoa after the Supreme Court confirms her victory in the general election.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In Samoa, the Supreme Court upholds the general election results, giving the electoral majority to the opposing FAST party led by Naomi Mataʻafa (pictured).
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Change in head of government of UN member state due to election, albeit slightly delayed, and thus ITN/R. Target article could use some work. Can someone assist with formatting the info box? Wizardoftheyear (talk) 20:10, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment per Alsorian97, I think this should wait and be re-nominated when the parliament convenes and she is formally appointed JW 1961 Talk 20:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Renominate using the April 2021 Samoan general election article. I agree with the comments about waiting, since the incumbent PM has filed court appeals to delay the process [23]. Joofjoof (talk) 22:55, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, conditional support The article needs cleaning up. I will support this if the article is changed to April 2021 Samoan general election, as that article is in better shape and it is customary for the main link to be the election, not the winner. --Aknell4 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment She hasn't become Prime Minister yet. But in the case of the recent U.S. election, we posted when the press declared Biden president-elect in spite of ongoing attempts to overturn the results and months before his actual inauguration. What is our standard?—Bagumba (talk) 09:36, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Bagumba. Can't have a double standard where we "accept" the results of the US election once the major challenges were shot down, but we don't do the same for another country. I would reword the hook to either include a statement of "while legal challenges continue" or to clarify "presumptive", or some combination thereof - similar to what we did for Biden. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 19:47, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability iff a more appropriate altblurb is proposed. I'd try to write one myself, but it'd probably be better to have someone more knowledgeable on the subject write it. To my understanding, courts affirmed that her party (FAST) won a majority of seats in the legislature, giving them the ability to declare victory, which would make Mata'afa the presumptive next Prime Minister. However, at least at the time that I am writing this, FAST has not yet done this & Mata'afa is not the incumbent, so the wording of "becomes Prime Minister of Samoa" is slightly misleading. As for quality, both the articles about the election & about Naomi Mata'afa herself are decently long and no sourcing issues stand out.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 07:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb2 I've added altblurb2 because it represents the results of the election properly and it bolds the correct part of the blurb. --Aknell4 (talk • contribs) 13:40, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm pretty much agree with altblurb2, tbh. My idea was that she would either become Prime Minister soon or that we would leave the nomination "half closed" so that we could open it once she was inaugurated, as we did something similar with the "Israel-Palestine crisis" nomination for Ongoing. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:24, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Charles Grodin

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Article: Charles Grodin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actor Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:42, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Cyclone Tauktae

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Article: Cyclone Tauktae (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Cyclone Tauktae makes landfall in Gujarat, India as a Extremely Severe Cyclonic Storm. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Cyclone Tauktae makes landfall in India, killing 51 people and leaving 100 others missing, and forcing the evacuation of over 200,000 people.
News source(s): Mint (newspaper) Business Stardard, Yahoo! News, The Washington Post, MSN News The Weather Channel
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Nominator's comments: Really bad Cyclone in India. I have 2 blurbs, both are good for use. It has mad landfall and is weakening now. Elijahandskip (talk) 12:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Extra Comment, for those that don't know, the article uses the India Meteorological Department scale and "Extremely Severe Cyclonic Storms" are one of the classifications they use. It is not adjectives, it is the same as calling it a "Cat #" hurricane for the US. Elijahandskip (talk) 12:30, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – I had expected to see this on main RS sites today, but they don't seem to be carrying it prominently. (Even on Al Jezeera it's two-thirds of the way down the page.) – Sca (talk) 13:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the Alt Blurb – This is pretty bad storm that came at pretty much the worst possible time for India. Since it struck India in the middle of their massive COVID-19 wave at a high intensity, there is probably a good deal of damage that was done, and I expect the death toll to end up much higher. (Many of the missing people probably will be confirmed dead.) It's definitely in the international news, and given the weight of the disaster, I feel that this event is notable enough for an ITN posting. Since the Alt Blurb is clearly the superior blurb, I think that we should go with that one. Suggestion: I would mention that the storm struck in the middle of India's COVID-19 disaster, and I would consider mentioning that India's Government evacuated over 200,000 people. The COVID-19 pandemic definitely ties into this disaster, and since a bunch of sources mention them together, I think that it should be mentioned as well. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 13:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the Alt Blurb – Per LightandDark2000. ~~ 🌀𝚂𝙲𝚂 𝙲𝙾𝚁𝙾𝙽𝙰🌀 14:39, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tentative support alt blurb. Concise and clear. No need to jam it full of unnecessary trivia regarding coincidence with COVID-19. However, I would like to see more reliable source coverage before we post this. --WaltCip-(talk) 15:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt Blurb – Definitely notable for ITN. The alt blurb is better since it actually talks about the impact of the system. Also, possibly include some information about the evacuations. ~ 🌀HurricaneCovid🌀 15:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt blurb per the above HurricaneEdgar 15:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Collapse side discussion not directly about the nominated article. If there are issues about bias, those should be discussed at WT:ITN. SpencerT•C 19:53, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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@Sca: forgive me for asking, but what does this comment really mean? Is it a suggested Wikipedia:Advocacy without attempting to say that? In all reality, the fact that we are all parts of that WikiProject means nothing. I have made 1 edit total to the tropical cyclone article, which got reverted. Elijahandskip (talk) 16:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It means that half a dozen users involved in this nom. are members of a WikiProject whose subject is relevant to the topic nominated here.
– Sca (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
He is suggesting a possible bias or proclivity to nominating and endorsing tropical cyclone articles. Given the America's Cup debacle that happened earlier this year, I can understand his suspicion. WaltCip-(talk) 18:37, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - As a member of WP:WPTC my feeling is that we should wait for the impacts to become clearer, as it only just made landfall about 24 hours ago. However, I saw the TC on the BBC News Bulletin earlier and they say that 90 people are currently thought to be missing.Jason Rees (talk) 15:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose 27 deaths is not enough for a tropical cyclone to be posted. We should wait and see where the rescue operations on those ships end up. Opposing on quality as well because the most impacted area is a mere two sentences. It needs significant expansion. NoahTalk 16:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - The most impacted region has only two sentences. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 16:12, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb, also support leaving this open for further updates if death count/other impacts are updated after posting - no reason it can't be posted now (obviously ITN eligible) and updated later, but I think that is better done by leaving this open for 24-48 hours after posting for more discussion here rather than relegating updates to ERRORS. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 17:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb Impactful on many people, especially considering this is India, and many people will be displaced. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 17:22, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb – I've been absent from ITN/C for a while, especially given some of the hostility from and toward WPTC members, but this is a pretty straightforward nomination of a high-impact storm at a terrible time for India. Article is well-sourced and fleshed out already, don't see any reason to wait. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb – the article looks to be about the same quality as Cyclone Seroja when it was posted. There has been significant news coverage: see this. Therefore, I don't see a reason to oppose. codingcyclone advisories/damages 20:33, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Collapse side discussion not directly about the nominated article. If there are issues about bias, those should be discussed at WT:ITN. SpencerT•C 19:53, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment – Users Cyclonebiskit and CodingCyclone are members of WikiProject Tropical cyclones. – Sca (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • So what? Respond to their arguments. Are you going to start tattling on British editors when they support British topics? Zagalejo (talk) 23:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • If British users pushed blurbs about brexit for the 80 quintillionth time, they would be denied. ITN is not a place for bias, and a flow of editors from WPTC coming to support the biggest storm of the time probably counts as bias. This kind of thing happens just about every time a cyclone passes 15 deaths, and is pretty counter-productive. Gex4pls (talk) (lack of contributions) 00:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • @Gex4pls: I don't think WPTC can win here as we create decent articles for tropical cyclones impacting land and people nominate them for WP:ITN independently of WPTC. WPTC members then come along and give their thoughts on the system reaching the main page by either supporting or opposing the system and have a lot of crap thrown at us including accusations of biasness, timing our nominations and gaming the system. Some of it is deserved, but some of it isn't especially since we have tried to work with you guys to figure out some criteria for when TC's should go up.Jason Rees (talk) 01:13, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • @Jason Rees:It's only some certain members who do it, but there are certainly other motives. I don't think any criteria can ever be made for these kinds of things, as everything is different. A tropical storm that kills a single person would never get on ITN, but depending on who that person is or what kind of damage is done it might be. However, from what I've seen a lot of WPTC members just hop onto ITN on the rare occasion that a storm is doing damage. That's fine, but I'd rather some real insight be given in votes, instead of "this storm is going to/doing major damage! I can't see how anyone could oppose this! I don't think anyone is using any kind of strategy here to cheat the system, it's just a whole lot of people with similar interests who all have the same idea whenever a storm is doing damage. Gex4pls (talk) (lack of contributions) 01:27, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • @Gex4pls: Well WPTC is going through a lot of changes at the moment, that I hope will eventually lead to us identifying which tropical cyclones/weather events are truly noteworthy of being put up on WP:ITN while providing the evidence outside of news reports to prove our case. However, this will take time and a lot more TC nominations by editors, who I will try and encourage to justify their statements.Jason Rees (talk) 02:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay. Honestly, what does this mean? Notice that I opposed the last tropical cyclone nominaton on grounds of quality. I am not interested in supporting every nomination there is. I certainly don't want to ram through TCs because they are TCs. I just want to support what deserves to go on ITN. If you're worried about me only commenting on TC candidates, that's becuase that's what I'm interested in. (I have Tauktae on my watchlist, and I'm not very sure about my skills when looking at other candidates that I don't know much about.) I'm only asking why you've decided to compile lists of the !voters who are part of WPTC. I can understand your concern because of the America's Cup debacle, but I don't really understand your line of reasoning when doing this, so could you please clarify for me? Thanks. (please ping on reply) codingcyclone advisories/damages 05:38, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I was affected by this storm (I live in Mumbai) and honestly speaking, this is not getting the amount of coverage from RSs that we'd expect for a system that gets to ITN. I might reconsider should the death toll rise significantly, however. JavaHurricane 02:44, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: To add onto what JavaHurricane said, I'm honestly surprised there is such a small amount of coverage of a storm this big. But even on Indian news sites like The Times of India, The Hindu, and Gujarat Samachar, the front page is dominated by Covid news, with only one or two mentions of the storm.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 05:13, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – RS coverage Wednesday centers on 22 deaths in sinking of barge. [24] [25] – Sca (talk) 12:04, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Switched to oppose. It's not meeting the RS coverage necessary for a disaster of this type.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:32, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There are two {{citation needed}} tags in the article. Hanamanteo (talk) 12:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Given how this is being treated by the media, this seems to be given the same type of weight as torandoes that may hit in the midwest US - they happen, people may die, but there are larger disasters that generally get larger coverage in that region of the world. I'm certainly seeing coverage from Western sources but not what I'd expect for a storm considered impactful in India (even from India-based sources), which is rather odd. It could be that most of what live may be lost were from offshore boats caught in the storm and very little landfall deaths, or that right now, India's trying to rein in COVID. I'm not saying we can't post, but we should be aware that relative to all other types of hurricanes, typhons, and major storms of this nature, this is getting a footnote's treatment --Masem (t) 12:52, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Notable and 2nd strongest cyclone in history of Gujarat where it made landfall. Article needs some work, update and expansion but it is good enough to go ahead with minor cleanups. -Nizil (talk) 16:58, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Consensus in favor of posting. Some opposition related to relative lack of coverage in some reliable sources, but there is demonstrable coverage in international media commensurate with other items that are posted here, as well as a death toll (51) also commensurate with other "typical ITN" items. CN tags have been resolved. SpencerT•C 20:04, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • PP Comment – Given the scale of dead and missing, that seems reasonable. TNX. – Sca (talk) 21:56, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rajendrasinh Jadeja

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Article: Rajendrasinh Jadeja (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: former cricketer and referee Abishe (talk) 07:29, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 17

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May 17, 2021 (2021-05-17) (Monday)

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(Posted) RD: Ki. Rajanarayanan

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Article: Ki. Rajanarayanan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
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Nominator's comments: Tamil folklorist. Sahitya Akademi Award recipient. Article requires some work, but, should be doable. I will get to this shortly, unless, someone else wants to take a pass before me. Edits done. Article has shaped to a decent C-class biography. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. RIP. Ktin (talk) 01:32, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Darwin's Arch collapses

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Article: Darwin's Arch (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Darwin's Arch collapses due to natural erosion. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Darwin's Arch, a rock formation in the Galápagos Islands, collapses due to natural erosion.
News source(s): CNN, NYT
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Article updated

 Davey2116 (talk) 20:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

With this type of natural, non-disastrous event, there may not be that much to say about it beyond what-when-why-with what result. But I do think a post-collapse pic would be essential to telling the story. – Sca (talk) 13:17, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose it will be diffucult to get a free photo, since the area is rather remote. Unless there is some government agency taking photos that get to public domain. The Azure Window was a tourist spot, a rather different story. I wonder how much content there could be added to the article? The basics are there. --Tone 13:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I was referring to people wanting the picturesque shot in the nom, not a post-collapse shot.—Bagumba (talk) 13:54, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
there may not be that much to say: Not true. The CNN and NYT articles in the nom have lots of info missing from the WP page. No mention that it's a UNESCO World Heritage site, and surely there must be more on the factors that earned it selection. NYT says there's been warnings for years about the impact of global warming on erosion. This page is barely a stub, which we typically might only overlook for a blurb if the page was fast being expanded. It's not for lack of material.—Bagumba (talk) 13:51, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 
Let's see, how many words do they say a picture is worth? – Sca (talk) 16:18, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the World Heritage Site refers to the entire archipelago, not only to this particular rock formation. Otherwise, I agree that there is room for improvement. --Tone 13:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The NYT mention of global warming was about the region in general, not specifically regarding erosion.—Bagumba (talk) 02:00, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support Notable rock formation collapses permanently, although it isn't the most significant thing that could go on the main page.Jackattack1597 (talk) 16:51, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Important enough in the Galapagos, plus more diversity ITN. (and by that, I don't mean WP:SLOWCYCLE. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 16:55, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'll remind the mob here that our intent is to write an encyclopedia. If this formation is so important that its natural demise it ITN worthy, the brief article hardly demonstrates that. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • You're encouraged to jump in and expand the article so that it better demonstrates the importance of this arch. Griping about technicalities that can be easily dealt with doesn't really help to write an encyclopedia.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:01, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • ... technicalities that can be easily dealt with ... Perhaps not, if supporters and opposers alike have yet to do so.—Bagumba (talk) 01:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • You've been here plenty long enough to know that this is a volunteer project. I'll contribute where and how I choose, like everyone else. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:30, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • That's true but then you should re-consider your nonsencial vote if you want to be taken seriously. We never use an article's shape before some event to judge its notability when 90% of the target articles we post here are either newly created or significantly expanded after the topic made major news and it's normally because more information becomes available that we put in as encyclopedic content. That's how we write and will keep up writing an encyclopedia. Of course, you can volunteer and comment whatever you want so you can freely dismiss my opinion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:34, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Torreón massacre

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Consensus to post is unlikely to develop. As proposed in the discussion, a DYK nomination is worth considering.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Torreón massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Mexican President apologized for the first time for the Torreón massacre, which killed over 300 Asian Mexicans. (Post)
News source(s): (Associated Press)
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Article updated
 -- love.wh 14:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just have a look of the Japanese news coverage of the Obama's apology tour - it was a huge event in Japan. Having said that, I do feel the US public did not consider either the nuclear bombing itself or the apology afterwards to be significant. -- love.wh 17:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: K. K. Aggarwal (cardiologist)

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Article: K. K. Aggarwal (cardiologist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Winner of the fourth highest civilian award the Padma Shri Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:03, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Support article is short, but mostly fine on quality, with only one short and relatively unimportant sentence having a Citation Needed tag. If consensus forms on this article, then someone can delete that sentence just before it's posted; but I'll leave it for now in case someone finds a citation for it in the next few hours NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:42, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) Tigray War

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Items is now stale relative to existing blurbs.—Bagumba (talk) 12:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Tigray War (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, CNN, BBC, The Guardian
Credits:
Nominator's comments: The Tigray War is "in the news" right now, with most sources calling it a genocide in all but name. As it is in the news, we ought to add it to our ongoing line, since there is no obvious blurb for it, although if someone wants to try and come up with a blurb that would be fine with me. NorthernFalcon (talk) 21:23, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The only update from May that I see in the article is the following unsourced line: "On 3 May 2021, in London, England, Eritreans and Ethiopians attended a "Peaceful Rally" supporting the actions of the federal Ethiopian government." From what I can tell, it doesn't look like it meets the "continuously updated" criteria needed for Ongoing unless there is a different target article. SpencerT•C 04:31, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Having followed this since January (full disclosure, I have investments that depend on the outright resolution of this conflict), absolutely nothing has changed. It's been months of declarations by each side against one another, and a bunch of innocent civilians used as fodder "as necessary". With no substantial updates, I oppose. - Floydian τ ¢ 04:50, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As pointed out above: not ongoing. {{Disputed}} orange tag in After the capture of Mekelle.130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not updated enough, there's a disputed tag, and "Protests by the diaspora" needs tidying. Even if it gets updated right now, I'm not convinced it'd stay that way. Uses x (talk • contribs) 17:51, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – As a topic, it's a murky mess, unfortunately. – Sca (talk) 22:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis

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Clear consensus to move to ongoing when the blurb rolls off ITN. No further discussion needed until that happens. --Tone 11:03, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): (BBC), (Al Jazeera)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Pre-emptive nom as the article will be next to be bumped. Front page news pretty much everywhere. Should not be moved to ongoing until bumped. Albertaont
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May 16

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May 16, 2021 (2021-05-16) (Sunday)

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  • Two people are killed and at least 100 others are injured when a tiered seating structure collapses at a partly-built synagogue in Giv'at Ze'ev, in the West Bank. (BBC News)

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(Posted) RD: M. S. Narasimhan

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Article: M. S. Narasimhan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News 18
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian mathematician. Article is not ready for homepage / RD as of yet. I will get to it later tonight. If someone wants to get to this before me, please do so. Edits done. Turned out to be more intense than I assumed. A life well-lived. Glad to have spent the effort in building the article. RIP. Article is ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 17:58, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2020–21 UEFA Women's Champions League

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Blurb: ​ FC Barcelona win the 2020–21 UEFA Women's Champions League (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, Barcelona defeats Chelsea to win the 2020–21 UEFA Women's Champions League for the first time. They became the first club to have won both men's and women's Champions League titles.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In association football, Barcelona win the Women's Champions League, defeating Chelsea in the final.
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Nominator's comments: As per ITN/R woman's sports events are also posted Jbvann05 04:38, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bruno Covas

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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: mayor of são paulo, died in office of cancer at the age of 41. article needs some work. dying (talk) 00:39, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rajeev Satav

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RD: New Jack

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(Closed) Calls for clemency for Quintin Jones

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  • Oppose isn't it the case that pretty much every single individual on death row has a call for clemency prior to their execution? What makes this newsworthy? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:49, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Thanks Template:U for the feedback, I've now changed the nomination to make it clearer why so many news sites are covering his clemency petition. The victim's family and over 120,000 other people (very unusual) have petitioned the governor, as well as his 21 year solitary confinement in prison. Just to clarify, is your question 'What makes this newsworthy?' specific to the ITN proposal or in general? This would help me describe this better. I don't know if your question of 'pretty much every single individual on death row has a call for clemency prior to their execution' is true or not, it would be helpful to have a reference. John Cummings (talk) 22:13, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm no expert, but perhaps this is an indication of the frequency of such requests? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:24, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • As for signatures, this guy had more than 600,000... The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:27, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Hi Template:U, thanks for the reply, to answer your questions first, the first link is a list of granted clemency requests, not all clemency requests, I'm not sure how much we can learn from this given clemency has been granted less than 300 times in 40+ years according to the list (for context the US prison population is over 2 million (Incarceration in the United States). I'm not sure how someone receiving more support diminishes how newsworthy this story is....

          I'm also not an expert on this subject, however reading the criteria for ITN The event can be described as "current", that is the event is appearing currently in news sources, and/or the event itself occurred within the time frame of ITN. I'm confident that this fulfils all three. Its definitely current (he is due to be killed in 2 days time), he is written about in 7 news sources I've referenced in the article that were published in the past week including the New York Times, The Guardian and Texas local sources and its occuring within the timeframe of ITN. I'm unclear why this wouldn't be considered newsworthy given these are the criteria, am I missing something? Thanks again. John Cummings (talk) 22:48, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

          Did Pervis Payne ever get ITNed? I don't think so. osunpokeh (talk) 23:34, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per TRM. I would suggest DYK instead, as this is a new article. P-K3 (talk) 22:00, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Second sentence makes clear that this is a advocacy-based proposal. This isn't newsworthy at all. Clemency requests occur before any execution really, and the clemency requests right now are political - not based on some evidence of a miscarriage of justice such as some other high profile requests are. He murdered someone, was correctly convicted, was given a capital punishment, and people are merely opposing his execution for the sake of opposing it in general - not based on any newsworthy reason. Not newsworthy, and Wikipedia isn't for attempts at advocacy. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 22:32, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • The fact that this nomination relies on facts that are stated nowhere in their attached sources (I see zero reliable sources mentioned in that article that say anything about solitary confinement), this article would need a lot of cleanup before it'd even be main page eligible. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 23:42, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Wikipedia is not for righting great wrongs. This is standard for someone nearing an execution. 331dot (talk) 22:45, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose as per Berchanhimez above (this definitely feels like it was written with advocacy intention). Widespread mainstream media coverage (which I'm not even convinced this is widespread) is insufficient. osunpokeh (talk) 23:23, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose. even if itn were regularly used for advocacy, this prisoner does not seem particularly notable, considering that he was sentenced about two decades ago, while his wikipedia article was created only about three hours ago. also, the proposed blurb could probably be shortened, as it is nearly as long as all of those currently on itn combined. although i can understand the desire to advocate for prisoners scheduled for execution, itn is probably not the best place for it. dying (talk) 23:38, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose Honestly, the second sentence in this blurb and the last sentence in the article are a WP:SYNTHESIS. And I doubt that the article is notable at all....should we change the name? --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 23:44, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Jim Clendenen

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(Posted) RD: George Little (New Brunswick politician)

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(Posted) RD: Sunil Jain

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(Closed) New Isotope - Uranium-214

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Ah. Good to note for the future. Thanks for that fix! Elijahandskip (talk) 20:16, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I was going to create a redirect, however somebody beat me to it. Uranium-214 will redirect. As far as the nomination goes, it needs be expanded a lot more to be considered. KittenKlub (talk) 21:01, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The coverage of this currently consists of two lines in the linked article. It would preferably have its own dedicated article, but if not then at least some detailed history and methodology of the discovery, as well as why it's significant would be needed.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:13, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This doesn't rise to the notability of discovering new elements. Period 7 elements will naturally have more and more isotope possibilities, even if most of them will be highly unstable and of little utility. Albertaont (talk) 21:40, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • question: the first source appears to have been published last month. is there a reason why the more recent date of the second source is being treated as the date of publication? dying (talk) 00:37, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, you are right. This was last month. I made a mistake and was thought they all were "May 14/15" since Sci-News put it out today. I withdraw the ITN nomination. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
no worries, we all make mistakes. i actually appreciate the nomination as it was something i was interested in, but didn't catch a month ago. dying (talk) 03:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) Leicester win FA Cup

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Now that it looks like it is not going to SNOW like I feared, I am willing to support if there is prose added on the match itself.Jackattack1597 (talk) 22:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support in principle but obviously the match itself needs a write-up.This is the oldest cup competition in world football and although not ITN/R, is significant enough in my view. (Also no team before Leicester has had to wait until their fifth attempt to win a final, which is an interesting angle.) P-K3 (talk) 18:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Full support now that prose is sufficient. P-K3 (talk)
  • Conditional Support per P-K3 - prose needed for the match. Although not ITNR, I think it is significant as the oldest football competition in the world JW 1961 Talk 20:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Prose has now been added so no further concerns here (it really needed that magical level of inspiration) JW 1961 Talk 22:02, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Looks good, thank you JW 1961 Talk 16:12, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Tianwen-1

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I have copy-edited the content. STSC (talk) 13:48, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Farooq Qaiser

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(Posted) RD: Jay Barbree

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(Posted) RD: Kenneth Mayhew

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(Posted) RD: David McPhail

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(Posted) RD: Abel Murrieta Gutiérrez

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Penpa Tsering

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May 13

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(Posted) RD:Indu Jain

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May 12

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(Posted) RD: Seamus Deane

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(Posted) RD: Spencer Silver

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(Posted) RD: Bob Koester

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  • Support Neat, short but suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 18:14, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Template:Ping just a query about this sentence in the lead: Template:Xt The claim about it being the world's largest such store doesn't appear to be in the body, or indeed cited. I'm also having trouble parsing the last part of that sentence. Is the record store in Irving Park (specializing in blues and jazz) a separate institution from the Jazz Record Mart? If so, that is also not AFAIK mentioned in the body or cited. CHeers  — Amakuru (talk) 21:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Lester L. Wolff

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(Posted) RD: Serge Bouchard

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(Posted) RD: Norman Lloyd

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Ballymurphy massacre

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(Posted) Manchester City win the 2020–21 Premier League season

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  • Support Top sports news story at the moment on both BBC and NBC, and it seems reasonable to post when championship is achieved, not when season ends. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 19:23, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not internationally notable. --Heymid (contribs) 19:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose quality is not there yet; barely any prose. My personal preference is to wait until the end of the season, but I can see the opposing view as City's win is "in the news" now.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - no prose summary of the season, and information in lead is not repeated in prose anywhere else in the article. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:18, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the end of the season. ITNR explicitly says 'the conclusion of the ... tournament or series'. There are still several games to go; just because Man City cannot be overtaken doesn't mean the competition is over. Also, the article is not ready because the prose summary is extremely brief, giving no more information than the table. See 2018–19_Premier_League#Summary for an example of the sort of treatment required. Article maintainers have a few weeks to sort that out before the season actually concludes. Modest Genius talk 11:24, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The now-expanded prose summary does look good. It just needs to be updated with the European places once those are settled - which is unlikely to be until the final round of matches has been played. I still think we should wait. Modest Genius talk 16:33, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The European places don't form part of the blurb, as far as I'm aware, so not sure why that should hold this up. We don't wait for the electoral college or the inauguration on US election stories, we post as soon as a result is known. I.e. when the story is in the actual news. The same should apply here.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:11, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    You're right, they're not part of the blurb, but they are a necessary part of a complete encyclopaedic article on the entire season. This isn't a bold link to a single game (like 2021 UEFA Champions League final), or even a single club (2020–21 Manchester City F.C. season), it's an article about the entire season so should have reasonably complete for all clubs over the entire season. Modest Genius talk 17:55, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree. Everything is about getting in the top four these days. (It's like a trophy...) The article isn't complete until we know those places. P-K3 (talk) 01:32, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Generally post at end of season, when readers can also see final standings. See past blurb which mentions "concludes".—Bagumba (talk) 11:37, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I really don't care, but thought I was upholding a precendent, which it might not be (see below).—Bagumba (talk) 12:36, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - obviously the quality isn't there yet, but if and when that's resolved, it should absolutely be posted now. In English football, the winner is declared as soon as one team cannot be caught; that's what reliable sources report, and the trophy is usually presented either at that game or before the next game. Last year, Liverpool clinched the title on 26 June, and we posted it on that date, not one month later when the season finally drew to a close.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:44, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Then please update WP:ITNR so fans and non-fans alike don't need to quibble over this again.—Bagumba (talk) 12:32, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Posting early was a novelty in 2020 and was controversial. That was a Covid-disrupted season played partly while the rest of the country was in a strict lockdown, so I don't think it sets a precedent. 2019 was posted at the end of the season, so were 2018, 2017 etc. (I got bored of checking them all). Modest Genius talk 13:06, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It wasn't remotely controversial. Some opposed, but the vast majority supported posting an ITN item when it was actually in the news and not a month later. Even a 12 day delay is enough that the nom could be reasonably considered stale. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:42, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I actually did try to update this previously and it had majority support. The opposition largely missed the point (what if an unassailable lead isn't really unassailable?) but others called it CREEP and said we can address the issue in ITNC, which we did last year. Some would prefer to quibble. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:42, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Updating !vote to Support - with thanks to Template:U for reopening the discussion. I've updated the article with an expanded prose summary of how the race for the title panned out, which hopefully meets the quality doubts above. If there's anything else that needs looking at quality-wise, then let me know and I'll see what I can do. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:00, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for the end of season (and establish this as ITNR for sport events where such a winner can be determined early). While the event is around one team mathematically winning the season, the rest of the games will still be played out as there will be 2nd, 3rd, etc and other placements, and other things can happen - eg I would assume M.C. here would immediate drop into their 2nd and 3rd strings to risk injuring their lead players for next year. We should feature the completed season when all is said and done and while this will still end up with M.C. as the winners, the article will document all other placements and other things that happened afterwards. --Masem (t) 13:10, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Target article has very little useful prose. Needs a lot of expansion of prose. If and when that is fixed, consider this opposition to be a support. --Jayron32 14:12, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - The 2020–21 Premier League season isn't over yet. STSC (talk) 19:45, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Stat filled article, half of the available prose is about COVID-19. Gotitbro (talk) 21:38, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I would concur that the prose is now sufficient. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:53, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm marking as attention needed. Please could an uninvolved admin assess the state of this nomination? Most of the opposes above are either on quality grounds, which I believe are now resolved, or based on the misconception that we usually wait until the end of the season to post Premier League winners - something which has been shown to be incorrect in the discussion at WT:ITN. Personally I think it's time to post this, but obviously I'm too involved at this stage.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:55, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm inclined to post it but the last person to assess a consensus got improperly accused of abusing the admin tools so I'm frankly not sure I want to go there with this nomination. Is there a second for posting this? 331dot (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Correction: the last time an admin posted against consensus, it was correctly called out. Don't start again 331dot, defending the indefensible again is not a good look for anyone, let alone an admin. You should know better. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If you post it as an ITN/R event, then follow it's rules. Believe me, when Man City lift the trophy, there will be bigger news all over the place. STSC (talk) 13:18, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all. Maybe in lesser developed countries where news is slow to travel, but City have already been declared as winners, the headlines have been and are going. We’re missing the ITN boat here. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:33, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Consensus narrowly in favor to post at this point. Concerns about international notability and article not being updated have since been addressed or were unfounded. SpencerT•C 15:06, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Colt Brennan

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(Posted) Kazan school shooting

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What about those who spit bile and venom at two-digit death toll shootings in the USA? You know Russia is a different country, on a different continent right? Maybe you should try to stay focused --LaserLegs (talk) 10:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gratuitously contentious. – Sca (talk) 15:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Re Hello, I mentioned USA because mass shootings from USA are the most frequent here and I rarely see mass shootings nom from other countries. Thank you for your understanding. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:03, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It makes it less notable than if it were carried out by a terrorist group, but I think it still notable enough for ITN. Jim Michael (talk) 16:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If you would like to see more "positive" events posted, please develop articles about such an event in the news and nominate them. 331dot (talk) 08:55, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We seem to get these amusing comments on a semi-regular basis. Are you saying we should ignore fatal events? The world is a messy place and ITN correctly reflects it. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:16, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: S. A. E. Nababan

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Template:Re Hi Bagumba, thank you for your input, I have expanded the lead. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 09:39, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Striking my "oppose"—Bagumba (talk) 09:43, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James Dean (footballer)

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(Pulled) Colonial pipeline

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Oppose per Rambling Man's comment. Just a minor disturbance, gas price hike is common. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose if this wasn't in the US, this nom would have been snow closed by now. No evidence that it is important enough for ITN, or that there will be any lasting impact (for more than a few days) of it. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:59, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not daft at all. Consensus can change. STSC (talk) 22:26, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Um, but consensus hasn't changed!!!! You already supported and there's still no consensus to post. Duh. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:09, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To my knowledge, we didn't post the toilet paper shortage, did we? WaltCip-(talk) 22:27, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously, which commodity is more important to you? Like the toilet paper shortage, panic buying gas worsens impact of Colonial Pipeline hack - STSC (talk) 22:50, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Panic!! I can't drive my gas guzzling car!! Meanwhile tens of thousands of people a day are dying of Covid. Talk about "inconvenience"! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:09, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If you have a covid related nomination to make, please do. 331dot (talk) 08:18, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if you're being deliberately challenging here, I mean defending supervoting from an admin is one thing, but of course the use of Covid here is to provide some context for the relative significance of this story. A few Americans can't make a 500-mile round trip to pick up a Wendys. Big deal. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:33, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just like the politicians used to say, "Crisis? What crisis?" - STSC (talk) 22:59, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re-post w/ alt blurb II The gas shortage is the bigger news now, days later after the initial nomination from news of the shutdown. Alt II corrects early "opposes" that the cyberattack directly shutdown the pipeline, when the pipeline company proactively shut it down after to contain the attack. The gas impact is specifically to the Southeast. Par for the course, any U.S.-related nomination riles up "global impact" debates and "single country" opposes about a country of 300+M people. The pulls were mostly procedural and not outright opposes.—Bagumba (talk) 01:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The Nominator seem to ask several people to vote here, anyway I am also with Rambling Man's comment. CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose. from what i can tell, this story has three parts: the hack, the shutdown, and the panic. my nonexpert opinion leads me to believe that the hack itself does not seem notable enough, being apparently a routine cybersecurity attack that had neither the sophistication of stuxnet, nor the widespread nature of the bear attack, nor the informational repercussions of equifax. the shutdown does not appear to be notable enough, with the pipeline being restarted in under a week, and the supply chain likely to be fully restored within a few days. the panic may be unusual, but, like the toilet paper panic, it has caused no deaths, injuries, or major incidents that i am currently aware of. however, if the shortage caused by the panic continues long after the supply chain has been fully restored, i think this might be worth a blurb. in addition, i fear that poor storage of hoarded gasoline may lead to a future tragedy that may be notable enough to post on itn, in which case, this hack could be referenced in the subsequent disaster blurb. dying (talk) 12:15, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Tq: Sigh. ITN always circles back to deaths.—Bagumba (talk) 13:22, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, that seems to be the problem here – that there's no bodycount. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:41, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    it's not just the lack of a body count. it's just that it seems that no major incidents have actually happened yet as a result of the shortage. in addition, consumption of gasoline is presumably lower than normal due to the pandemic, and it has become more socially acceptable to replace many things that would have previously required the consumption of gasoline with something virtual instead. as a result, even if such a shortage would have usually had a big impact, i suspect that the pandemic has mitigated the shortage's effect. gasoline shortages can be notable, and panics can be notable without being associated with deaths. however, i don't personally think this is currently notable enough to post on itn, but have previously noted that if the shortage does become prolonged, it may become notable enough.Template:Pbsure, there's a lot of people that are worried, but a lot of people were also worried about where the uncontrolled chinese rocket would crash, even though that incident did not seem worthy of nomination. dying (talk) 15:16, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update There are more developments as a trend is established: Ransomware attack disrupts Irish health services; How the Colonial Pipeline hack is part of a growing ransomware trend in the US. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:41, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The attack on Irish health services is honestly more notable, because that directly impacts a country's healthcare system. WaltCip-(talk) 12:41, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    i agree that the irish health service hack is more notable due to its direct effect on a national health system, especially during a pandemic. i also felt that the dc police hack is more notable due to the massive amount of sensitive data exfiltrated. in fact, the latter has been described as "possibly the most significant ransomware incident to date". dying (talk) 15:16, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Disclaimer: I pulled this above, with my neutral uninvolved admin hat on, because it was clear to me that a consensus to post didn't exist. And still doesn't exist now really. But looking at it again, this time from an editor point of view and on the merits of the case, I will put my hat in the ring as saying we should (re-)post this. It's a major enough and interesting enough story to post, with high impact depite the lack of deaths, and even notwithstanding that Western news outlets routinely tend to give more importance to US topics than others. And actually, if an event of a similar magnitude happened in some other country we'd probably have far fewer qualms about posting it. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:25, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment if there's some kind of ongoing issue/trend, then the best thing would be to make an Ongoing nomination. I personally fail to see why this is really any more significant than most other hacking outings, and those linked by Andrew aren't directly related to this. Interestingly, there's a far more impactful story going on in Lebanon now relating to a quarter of the country's electricity supply being withdrawn for unpaid bills. That would seem to be much more relevant than this humdrum. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:37, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's the significance: Colonial Pipeline Paid Hackers Nearly $5 Million in Ransom - STSC (talk) 14:00, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted; ongoing updates) Jerusalem clashes

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Template:U, I have expanded the lead beyond a sentence. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 09:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support because the article is too short for read. I think if i strongly support, i would prefer Altblurb instead. 36.77.95.215 (talk) 09:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose disaster stub. There are no details about the storming of the mosque (number of officers, time of day, what was going on inside, what prompted them to take that building in the first place, what damage was done to it, did they occupy it or just leave afterwards, was there a specific target in mind and was that target achieved), the rest of the article has nonspecific comments about clashes but no basic where, when, who types of details. 136 people across all of Jerusalem? Was there city wide rioting or were the police picking up random Palestinians? "Further clashes followed at the Al-Aqsa mosque" clashes with who? Were random Israelis just loitering at an important Islamic holy site looking for a fight? --LaserLegs (talk) 10:01, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As the person who has added most of what you're referring to, very little information of the sort you're asking for currently exists. If you can find sourced information that would benefit the reader, please, add it to the article. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 10:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If very little of that information exists, then maybe there ought not be an article for it. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:16, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And this is not AllegedlyHuman's fault but is a common problem with breaking event articles like this: international reaction sections should not be including simple quotes from countries that express sympathy or similar types of language. Every reasonable country is going to issue a statement about these disasters, and they stick out (particularly when MOS:FLAGS are used) like sore thumbs. If countries are actually helping (for example, in the KRI Nanggala (402) search and recovery, several countries outside Indonesia are stated to helped, this should clearly be documented. Or if a country does simply give a statement and that prompts some significant reaction, that can be documented as well. But it can be expected that generally, no country is going to be an ass and is going to offer sympathy for losses of human live and tradegy and these sections do not really help our articles. --Masem (t) 13:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Widely covered but complicated and difficult to comprehend. Wider significance may be doubted. – Sca (talk) 13:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is well referenced, and while short does hit all of the important parts. Some expansion of the narrative is welcome, but it's good enough for posting. Would prefer the original blurb. --Jayron32 14:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on significance, neutral on quality this is a major story that is garnering significant reactions from world leaders. The article quality is fine in terms of citing sources, but I find the article's explanation of why the clashes are happening lacking. If it's not fixed before I'm off of work, I'll see if I can do something about that. NorthernFalcon (talk) 14:56, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Too much flag salad for my taste. – Sca (talk) 15:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - major escalation of this conflict.BabbaQ (talk) 15:49, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A significant event and the article is about what 2021 Baghdad hospital fire was at when it was put into ITN. --Aknell4 (talk • contribs) 16:15, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant development, article quality is decent. Hrodvarsson (talk) 19:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is an extremely significant escalation drawing international attention. The article does need a lot more background on the events though. Blade Jogger 2049 Talk 19:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Events in the last 12 hours clearly are pushing this to importance. (Still have my reservations on the international reactions section but there's enough in the rest of the article to support). --Masem (t) 19:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose on quality The background and reaction sections are both individually longer, more detailed, better written, than the part which should be the substance: what is happening. And a lot is happening, but the article doesn't reflect that. Kingsif (talk) 20:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Yes, its true that this has happened before. But the ITN is because there has been a significant increase in clashes after a period of relative stability. Albertaont (talk) 20:35, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 20:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – AP and BBC on Monday quote Gaza "health officials" saying at least 20 people, including nine children, were killed in Israeli airstrikes. – Sca (talk) 21:35, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment update to alt blurb 2 212.74.201.233 (talk) 22:00, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • * Post-posting comment The current blurb is misleading. It seems to suggest that 20 people were killed at Al-Aqsa in Jerusalem, but the deaths happened in subsequent clashes in Gaza. The blurb should be clarified. 142.117.9.52 (talk) 00:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment Change the blurb, it is absurdly misleading. Something like "20 Palestinians are killed in Israeli air strikes after clashes at the Al-Aqsa Mosque" would be fine. Mlb96 (talk) 03:15, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment The blurb as currently phrased is offensively misleading fake news - it implies that the Palestinians who were killed were killed in the clashes in Jerusalem (there are various reputable sources that can attest to the local police's - both Jewish and Arab - restraint regarding the protests, and the efforts to avoid casualties). The Palestinians who were killed were killed in Israeli air strikes in Gaza after Hamas fired rockets on Israel, including on Jerusalem. 87.68.252.89 (talk) 04:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nom comment Yes, the blurb on MP is incorrect – 20 were not killed at the mosque. I do not know who added altblurb 2 or why that one was selected but it is inaccurate. Given the nature of the topic a fix ASAP is advised. Pinging WP:ERRORS. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is FAKE news. FAKE, WRONG, news. Rockets were fired at Israel from Gaza, people in Israel were injured. Israel responded with airstrikes in Gaza. People in Gaza were killed. Nobody was killed in Jerusalem.TotallyAbrupt (talk) 05:36, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Two comments - (1) notwithstanding the embarrassing error that we posted to the main page as highlighted above, I think the blurb should still be amended to make mention of the subsequent development of Hamas firing at Israel and Israel firing at Gaza with loss of life;[28] and (2) the blurb is still misleading, because it implies that all the clashes were at the Al-Aqsa mosque, when in fact the injuries happened "across Jerusalem" (in the words of the article).  — Amakuru (talk) 08:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Update: I've now added "and elsewhere in" before Jerusalem, to correct the second point.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Re The problem with adding "elsewhere" is that the existing "more than 20 Israeli police officers" part was specifically from sources for the mosque. Sure, it's still "more than", but I doubt we'll ever get an accurate cumulative count for "elsewhere". This blurb is fast becoming unwieldy without identifying the scope of what news we are blurbing about for this wide-ranging article.—Bagumba (talk) 08:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, the "at the mosque and elsewhere" clause does also include the state of affairs where one facet of the incident was exclusively at the mosque. I certainly see it as an improvement on the outright erroneous text that I amended. To be honest, it's almost getting to the point where we might consider pulling this and rethinking what it should say from scratch, because it's fast becoming a comedy of errors. (And to some extent this was the worry that Template:U was trying to convey above - the article itself doesn't seem to entirely make clear what the scope was and what the most noteworthy aspects were).  — Amakuru (talk) 09:34, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The blurb started "​Clashes in Jerusalem at the Al-Aqsa Mosque leave ..." It's OK if the blurb limits mention to a fact that occured at Al-Aqsa Mosque. That's an editorial decision on what is blurb-worthy. The blurb did notsay that clashes were exclusively at the mosque. We could widen the blurb's scope, as the actual article covers more than just the mosque (no comment on what the actual article should cover). However, that really should be driven by consensus.—Bagumba (talk) 10:06, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reworded I have boldly changed the wording on this to reflect the aftermath of the Israeli airstrikes as a result of the clashes. That's clearly what the media has focused on. I will profess my wording is likely not best but felt it needed to be changed as clearly the import of the story has drastically shifted from what was originally posted. --Masem (t) 13:09, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Re Template:Tq omits Hamas firing rockets into Israel. Looking rather unbalanced.[29]—Bagumba (talk) 13:37, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Added to account for that (+2 deaths from NYTimes), also dealt with a wording order from errors. --Masem (t) 13:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • information Clashes on the Israel-Gaza border: Two women were killed in Ashkelon and several people were injured after Hamas opened heavy rocket fire on southern Israel. Hundreds of rockets have been fired at Israel since May 10, including a barrage of 7 rockets into the Jerusalem area, in parallel with the riots in Jerusalem. In response to the shooting, the IAF attacked a number of targets in the Gaza Strip, as part of a military operation called the "Wall Guard" (The Times of Israel) ידידיה צ' צבאן (talk) 16:43, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As it's posted on the main page, please, add links there to Operation Guardian of the Walls and Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, like this:
Israeli air-strikes and Hamas militant missile launches kill at least 26 people and injure hundreds more following clashes at the Al-Aqsa Mosque (pictured) and elsewhere in Jerusalem.--Triggerhippie4 (talk) 17:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Elsewhere is the Damascus Gate. Euro know (talk) 06:32, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Someone already added (though it seems like an overlinked blurb to me).—Bagumba (talk) 12:00, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support article is quality (in terms of citations), and this is a top-level championship for an international sport. Prefer original blurb, then alt blurb I if we're not going with the original. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, undecided how much to factor the subject's significance. Very liitle write-up on the final, aside from a couple of sentences in the lead. Be good to have some background on Russia's path to the final. Zero prose on bronze medal.—Bagumba (talk) 02:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Article has since been expanded. It'd be better to move the final and bronze medal game details to their respective sections, leaving only brief mention in the lead.—Bagumba (talk) 06:31, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose While there have been improvements on quality I think the subject's significance is not enough for an IAR given that ITN posts are currently not stagnant.—Bagumba (talk) 04:10, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • None of the blurbs seems good. The championship is won by the team, not by the skip, so blurb and Alt are not good. Alt2 is better, but "only the fifthe time something happens" is not really that remarkable after 42 or so editions. In fact, a "team" (meaning Switzerland or Canada" has won back-to-back titles more often than 5 times (Canada even won 4 in a row), I suppose it is only the fifth time with the same skip? I would use a variation of Alt1: "The Swiss team lead by Silvana Tirinzoni wins the World Women's Curling Championship, defeating Russia in the final" (with a link to the Russian team added probably). Fram (talk) 09:22, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    i also agree with not mentioning the back-to-back victories, as doing so could be considered sensationalism. the russian team should probably be mentioned, but please note that, in this tournament, the russian athletes were representing the russian curling federation, and not russia, in accordance with a ruling associated with the russian doping scandal. as a result, the phrase "defeating Russia" may be technically incorrect, while i am assuming that "defeating the Russian team" may avoid the issue. dying (talk) 18:20, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose don't see why World Curling Championships are important enough to be on ITN. We didn't post the men's championships last month- where article quality is similar- so not sure why people think the women's ones are more important and ITN-worthy? Joseph2302 (talk) 10:23, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
....or maybe it just wasn't nominated and there is nothing nefarious going on here. 331dot (talk) 10:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't see why a World Curling Championship regardless of gender) is important enough for ITN. And nobody has yet demonstrated why that would be the case. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
nominator A202985 has mentioned that it is the "[h]ighest level curling tournament beside the Olympics", while NorthernFalcon notes that it is "a top-level championship for an international sport". dying (talk) 12:08, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are tons of sports with World Cups/World Championships which are the highest level of their sport- see Template:World championships in 2021. My concern is that if we start posting some sports World Championships, we may get overrun with nominations for other sports World Championships that are as equally important to their sports. I don't think the level of coverage of Curling World Championships makes it important enough for ITN, which is a view I'd hold for most sports World Championships on the template I listed. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:19, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not to argue against your viewpoint on this nomination, but one of the most common criticisms of ITN I see is that we don't post enough, not that we post too much. Being flooded with nominations and postings is a problem I would want to have. 331dot (talk) 14:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Joseph2302, i think your concern is valid, and was also something i was considering when trying to determine my support for this nomination. i have watched curling before, but do not know enough about whether the sport is considered important enough to merit posting on itn.Template:Pbi've since perused the discussions on the talk page and noticed that: (1)Template:Nbspin order to increase the variety of competitions featured on itn, there is interest to add an esport tournament to itn/r if a worthy one can be identified; (b)Template:Nbspall the blurbs currently featured are disaster blurbs; and (iii)Template:Nbspitn/c could possibly benefit from more feminine input. seeing that this nomination adds more variety to what i understand has been posted before, is not considered a disaster (except maybe for the russian team), and deals with a women's championship, i think the topic is currently worthy of posting.Template:Pbfor now, i would hesitate to add the championship (or its male counterpart) to itn/r, echoing the concern that you mentioned. however, i think posting this year's championship can address some concerns currently being voiced on the talk page. dying (talk) 16:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • support, as noted in my lengthy time-wasting comment above, and because the quality exceeds minimum requirements. dying (talk) 16:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • question: what is the standard for mentioning runners-up in blurbs? is there one? dying (talk) 12:08, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    In general, where the post is about a championship game, where one team or player defeats another in head-to-head competition, we often describe the event "In Super Bowl LXXXVIII the Cleveland Browns defeated the Carolina Panthers by a score of 53 to 32" or something like that. In the case of things like races, season champions determined by round robins, judged events like gymnastics, etc. etc. where there is not a clear 'head to head' game that determines the champion, we don't usually list the "also rans" who came in lower places. I'm not sure how curling is contested, I know that there are head-to-head matches, but I don't know if the champion is awarded to the team that wins the most matches in a round robin, or to the winner of a single championship match. It would matter which as to what typical convention we use. --Jayron32 16:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    thanks for the thorough explanation, Jayron32. i had noticed that Template:Oldid2 seemed to violate this standard, but i wasn't sure if this was because there were only two schools participating. in this curling tournament, i believe the championship has a final match that determines both first and second places, so i am assuming that mentioning the runner-up here is appropriate. dying (talk) 18:20, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article quality is not bad for a sports article. While it is very table heavy, the prose in the article does cover the event sufficiently, with a large paragraph adequately describing the championship, refs look good. --Jayron32 12:21, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Article needs lede cleaned up with the prose about the championship moved to the section further down the page and other info moved to appropriate sections. At present, article is top heavy with all the prose at the top and dozens of tables following. If fixed, willing to Weak support. SpencerT•C 18:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment fixed lede length concerns. Opted against making the round-robin table section collapsible, but if people think that's a good idea it can be pursued. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:11, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on notability. A good example of a story that is not "in the news." Personally, I like curling and I watched the gold medal match live on TV. But curling is still very much a niche sport, especially geographically. At the 2021 World Women's Curling Championship the total number of teams represented was pretty small, and outside of Europe and North America only three countries were represented, China, Japan and South Korea. It's very hard to find anything in GoogleNews covering the event's final, and none of the major news sites have covered it, even in their back sections. Even Swissinfo doesn't appear to have covered it[30], although Switzerland won. It's fine to want to post more sports stories and especially women's sports stories but they have to be more widely covered than this one. Nsk92 (talk) 19:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Nsk92, you made some really good points that i was previously unaware of, so i did some digging around to try to get some idea of what, roughly, the viewership numbers actually were. apparently, sportcal, a sports market intelligence company, published a global sports impact event study on the 2018 world men's curling championship here. page 68 of their report states that the total cumulative audience was about 83.54 million television viewers. it also notes that 18.4% of the audience watched it live, so that means it had a live audience of about 15.37 million people. in comparison, the last sporting event featured on itn, the kentucky derby, had aTemplate:S live u.s. audience of about 14.4 million, according to deadline. i don't know if the women's and men's championships have similar viewership numbers, but i think this is at least a decent argument that the world men's curling championship is notable enough for itn, and possibly also for itn/r. dying (talk) 00:42, 12 May 2021 (UTC) Template:Small[reply]
The Deadline story you quote re Kentucky Derby concerns the Nielsen ratings, which measure the live TV viewership in the U.S. only. Even in the U.S. the actual numbers of people who saw the Derby live were certainly much higher since many people watch horse racing in sports bars and racing halls, etc. If you factor in the global viewership (at some point those numbers would become available), the numbers would look much different. Your 15.37 million extrapolated live viewership figure for the 2018 mens world championship shows the dangers of trying to perform the kind of WP:OR that you tried to do here. The bulk of the total viewership shown on p. 68 there, 58.23 million, were from China where I doubt very much that live broadcasting of NBC Sports or of the Olympic Channel is available. Much more likely all of those 58.23 million people watched some reruns later on. In fact, pages 65-66 in the same document list the TV broadcast hours for the event by 10 top markets and China is not even listed there. In any case this is Wikipedia, and on Wikipedia the main and deciding factor for considering notability is the coverage of a given event by WP:RS. The Derby received massive news coverage worldwide. The curling world championship final game received rather little. Nsk92 (talk) 07:48, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
you're right, this is original research, and i had no intention of adding these sorts of statistics to the article space without asking around for further input since i know i'm missing a deeper understanding of these numbers. this original research was presented only to get a rough idea for a sanity check, since my current knowledge of the area is pretty much nonexistent.Template:Pbi recognize the deadline statistic was based on live u.s. viewership, which is why i did not think the 83.54 million and 14.4 million numbers were comparable. i don't know if calculating the 15.37 million number using the 18.4% statistic is valid, but i think it's a reasonable assumption to make, and at least gives a better number to use for comparison. i couldn't find any global viewership numbers for the kentucky derby for any year, but reasoned that, since it was a u.s. event, the 14.4 million value would likely make up the plurality, if not the majority, of the global audience. (i realize now that i should have explicitly qualified my statement about the deadline statistic and note that it was based on live u.s. viewership in order to avoid people misintepreting it as cumulative global viewership. for some reason, when i wrote it, i had thought it was implied. thank you for making it explicit for the benefit of anyone else reading this.)Template:Pbadmittedly, i don't think total broadcast hours is a reliable indicator of viewership. page 65 notes that russia is the market with the most broadcast hours, and that the russian channel match arena is the channel with the most broadcast hours, even though page 68 notes that the cumulative television audience in russia is roughly 0.80 million. also, page 65 lists the chinese channels cctv5 and cctv5+ amongst the top ten channels with respect to broadcast hours, even if china itself is not amongst the top ten markets with respect to broadcast hours.Template:Pbi don't know how to quantify the viewership in sports bars and racing halls, or the viewership in the equivalent venues for curling events, but i had made the (perhaps erroneous) assumption that the methods used in determining viewership as reported by sportcal is roughly equivalent to those used in determining viewership as reported by deadline, largely because i couldn't figure out how to make any meaningful comparisons otherwise.Template:Pbi agree that it's very likely that the chinese audience did not watch nbc sports or the olympic channel. however, i also doubt that those are the only two channels through which the chinese audience can watch the event broadcasted live. page 62 lists a number of different broadcasters that appear to have rights to broadcast the event live, including cctv5 and cctv5+, and pages 63 and 64 appear to list the total number of live broadcast hours for each territory, including a value of 15:51:00 for china. also, this 2019 source states that there are plans to launch a cctv olympic channel, which makes sense considering the location of the 2022 winter olympics, but i don't know if it has been launched yet, and even if it has, i doubt it would be noted in a report from 2018. in any case, even if no one in china watched it live, i had assumed that inclusion on itn was not based on live viewership, and had only compared live viewership numbers because it was the only meaningful comparison i could make from the data i could find.Template:Pbalso, is the deciding factor based on the coverage of an event, as noted by reliable sources, or the coverage, by reliable sources, of an event? if it's the former, that's what i'm trying to determine. if it's the latter, i'm wondering if there may be an inadvertent bias by relying on anglophone or european sources, but i don't have a working knowledge of enough languages to determine if that is true.Template:Pbin any case, i'm not trying to state that the 2018 world men's curling championship had a higher viewership than the 2021 kentucky derby. i'm only attempting to determine if the viewership was significant enough that posting the 2021 world women's curling championship would not be considered unreasonable. after all, it's likely that many sporting events with a higher viewership than the kentucky derby are already on itn/r, so requiring a competition to have more viewers than those of the kentucky derby before the competition is posted may not help with the goal of adding variety to the competitions posted to itn. furthermore, i doubt that the kentucky derby is the least watched sporting event on itn/r. i only used it for comparison because it was the last one posted to itn. dying (talk) 12:24, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
i was still trying to figure out why you had difficulty finding information about the final in swiss news sources, so i decided to try it myself, and i think you're right about the final not being reported on swissinfo. however, they have covered the swiss team before, and it turns out that their coverage of sports appears rather minimal, since it does not appear to be one of the topics they focus on (or at least the wikipedia article on swissinfo is telling me so). that being said, it took me perhaps a few seconds to find this article, as it's the top result (for me, at least) for the search "curling site:.ch", and i would probably consider radio télévision suisse a reliable major news site. also, i noticed that your query for swissinfo was in english, which further reinforces my worry that we may be inadvertently biased if we are relying on anglophone sources. dying (talk) 17:12, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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fact has been associated with the death of president déby, and the article on fact was Template:Oldid2, so personally, i think they have been impactful enough. (i'm not sure if you're conflating the article on fact with the article on the northern chad offensive, which was created less than a month ago.) also, although i generally appreciate a healthy skepticism of sources, in this case, both sources provide virtually the same text, taken from reuters. (finding the differences between them is interesting, though.) reuters has since updated their article to report the fact that fact "said it was not aware of an end to the fighting", implying that this may be another mission accomplished moment. dying (talk) 09:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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No one has claimed it is codified anywhere(and I would oppose doing so) but it is fair to say as a general practice we don't usually post such a local election. I can't recall when we have, at least. 331dot (talk) 10:36, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Wait until the season finishes. ITNR explicitly states 'the conclusion of the ... tournament or series'. The article has limited prose but what's there seems good enough. The summary section does meet our minimum criteria. So this can be posted once the final game has been played (and the article updated accordingly). The no need for the year or number of victories in the blurb, and the focus should be the entire competition not just the winner. Adding altblurb. Modest Genius talk 11:31, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Generally post at end of season, when readers can also see final standings. See past Premier League blurb which mentions "concludes".—Bagumba (talk) 11:37, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment prose issues have been fixed, and only opposes were about the end of season which was addressed on the ITN talk page, so I hope someone can get this some attention. If there's anything else you'd like me to fix, let me know. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:22, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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That we cannot see the impact does not mean there won't be one. We posted the storming of the US Capitol which was an attempt to assassinate Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi, and others, even though it was unsuccessful. 331dot (talk) 12:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
He is a national leader, the leader of his country's legislature. 331dot (talk) 12:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a national leader, since the country has a presidential system. And it's not really comparable to the storming of the US capitol. If the Maldives legislature were stormed in similar fashion I'd support, but this is currently a "terrorist" incident by unknown attackers, with no deaths. We shouldn't make a special case of it just because someone famous was involved.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is systemic bias to post the attempted assassination of the leaders of the US Congress but not the leader of the Maldives legislature. I respectfully but strongly disagree with your assessment. 331dot (talk) 13:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The storming of the capitol was not primarily an attempted assassination. It was an attempt to seize control of the country's government buildings. Totally different. Considering that we regularly decline to post bombings around the world that kill in some cases 10 or even more people, the real systemic bias would be to singling out this incident which had no fatalities, and the main target making a recovery, just because he's a top bod in the legislature.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Striking Oppose. I won't hold th is up it there's otherwise will in the community. Consider me a weak support, assuming the quality of the update is sufficient, which I haven't yet checked.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:34, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Template:U They had a gallows outside the Capitol and chanted "hang Mike Pence",source and were literally only feet from him before being lured away by a clever police officer. Prosecutors are saying the primary goal was to kill elected officials. source. Just FYI. 331dot (talk) 18:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support if someone is high-profile enough to be considered an assassination attempt rather than attempted murder, then the attempt is probably high-profile enough for a blurb. While the Maldives has seen assassination attempts in the past, I don't think once every six years or so is too frequent to deny this a blurb. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for receiving significant news coverage and having an updated article. Einsof (talk) 01:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Still no page updates using latest sources on arrested suspects and him being off life support. Latest source in article is 3 days old.—Bagumba (talk) 01:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Y Your link has been added, and seems to be the latest non-Maldivian source. Nasheed is still in intensive care; the "prime suspect" has been arrested, but the police are still looking for accomplices. Joofjoof (talk) 03:59, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support In the spirit of more fresh content on ITN, the quality of the page—both the update itself and overall—combined with being ex-president, merit a post. Recommend alt blurb II, as most sources refer to him primarlily as being the ex-president. The wording follows Reuters' "Maldives speaker of parliament and former president",[34] which is also in line with our MOS:JOBTITLES; "People's Majlis" is a bit obscure and less accessible.—Bagumba (talk) 04:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted by Amakuru.—Bagumba (talk) 09:07, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Copied from WP:ERRORS.) The attempted assassination of Mohamed Nasheed has its own article, that should be linked to instead. Ji11720 (talk) 15:48, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • A question I would have if the 25 people killed (excluding the officers) were all part of the drug ring or if this included bystanders. As while 25 deaths is rather "big", if they were all members of that drug ring would make this less of a "tragedy", while if those 25 included civilians, that makes it something far more significant. I read there were two civilian injuries on the metro, but that's not as major yet. Perhaps more detail is needed. --Masem (t) 19:27, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes. If there are reliable sources on how many of them were drug traffickers and civilians, we should adjust blurb accordingly. Brandmeistertalk 21:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Going off the Reuters source, "The victims included one police officer, and the remainder were suspected members of the drug-trafficking gang that dominated life in the slum, including some of its leaders, police said." (eg no innocent lives were taken, thankfully). However I think the emphasis on the wreckless nature of this shootout needs to be better reflected in the article and the blurb for this to be posted as this is what is being called out. If the same event happened, but it was all confined to a drug warehouse, likely it would not be as significant a story. It is a story because the police actively chased down and shot at these drug people through favelas and put innocents at risk, which is the story, not so much that 25 drug dealers + connected people were killed. --Masem (t) 04:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, oppose in reality at least until it's expanded beyond a stub. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment you can expand the article without any new information and get it posted by following the User:LaserLegs/Disasterstub template. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I added quite a bit of filler to bulk it up. The AP wire story has a few more details if someone has time to fill in the shooting section else I'll try to get to it later. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There I think that'll do it. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:12, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WP:POINT  Nixinova   T   C   02:54, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle. These are great news that don't happen every moment. But I will only support 100% until the article is no longer a stub. MSN12102001 (talk) 20:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle – Per previous. – Sca (talk) 22:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article quality For a borderline stub, it looks WP:ORish when the "Background" section is backed exclusively by sources not directly tied to the current event. For breaking news, I expect the current sources to be the initial framers of that perspective.—Bagumba (talk) 02:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Dog bites man. Police shoot criminals. Mlb96 (talk) 05:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Major police operation which resulted in a large death toll. It's historically notable. If this had happened in NYC, London, Paris, Sydney etc. rather than Rio, this discussion & the article would have quickly become much longer. It would be one of the world's biggest news stories. It would have been posted within a couple of hours & it's unlikely that anyone would have opposed it being posted. Jim Michael (talk) 08:06, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now on quality. The "Background" section is not background for this article, it's a random collection of outdated (14+year old) statistics about crime in Brazil that has little relevance to the incident in question. If we take that out (as we should) then we have a stub with little more information than the blurb would contain. We need some cleanup and expansion before this is main-page ready. --Jayron32 12:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some of it is relevant. It needs to be improved, not removed. I added the 2010 Rio de Janeiro security crisis to that section. What sort of info do you think should be added to the shootout article? Jim Michael (talk) 13:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Of EXTREMELY marginal relevance, especially given that the text you added says "There was a crisis in 2010". Really? What was the crisis? What were the details? Most importantly: How did it lead to the events in question? The section is still a bunch of outdated, random, national crime statistics. That's not background information. Here's what IS relevant background information:
What is the name of the gang or gangs involved. What is some of their history? How were they organized? How did they come to work in this part of Rio de Janeiro? What were some of their prior interactions with law enforcement? What about the police force in question? What prior interactions have they had with this gang? What have they done in the past to deal with this gang? Other similar gangs? What has led to the growth of drug use in this neighborhood in Rio de Janeiro? What caused it to escalate? This is not an exhaustive list of things I'd expect to see, but a good sampling of some possible avenues to go with expanding the background section. Not "There was a crisis 11 years ago. Here's some random national crime stats from 14 years ago". That's not useful information. --Jayron32 14:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of that info - which would be useful - hasn't been reported by RS. The crisis is relevant because it was about violence in Rio between drug-dealing gangs and the authorities. Jim Michael (talk) 14:23, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, then, maybe we don't have an article worth posting on the main page. --Jayron32 14:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
How can a controversial shootout, with a death toll of 25, which has been responded to with a protest & criticism by orgs & notable people, not be worthy of ITN? Many readers will be interested, but not yet aware that it happened. The info that you suggest will be added to the article as RS release it. Jim Michael (talk) 14:37, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You're not responding to the thing I said. You're inventing, in your mind, something I didn't say, and then responding to the thing you invented. What I said was, we don't have an article worth posting on the main page. Let me say it again, in case you missed the important word. A R T I C L E. I didn't say the event wasn't important, or worth informing people about. I said the article was not good enough to post to the main page. Make the article good enough and the article will be posted on the main page. If the article cannot be made better than the article will not be put up in ITN. I have said nothing about the event. I have said the article is not good enough. Comprendez? --Jayron32 15:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
See my comments above: the reason this is getting attention is not that this was another drug raid, but that the police allowed the gun fight to run rampant through civilian homes, and they are being called out by many humanitarian groups for this. That should be a focus, more than two lines in reaction. --Masem (t) 13:28, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You're saying that the Reactions section should be the longest part of the article? Jim Michael (talk) 13:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if it should be the longest, but it should be far more than two lines presently. Obviously the details of the shootout are still required, but as I said, if this was the same scale of event but isolated to a warehouse and no innocents were at risk, this would be a yawner of a headline. --Masem (t) 13:46, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It would then have received significantly less media coverage, but it'd still easily be notable enough for an article. Jim Michael (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Right and it wouldn't have been notable for ITN. It's being considered at ITN as widespread media coverage is focused on the fact there was a rampant gunfight through civilian homes that the police seemed to have no regard for in conducting this raid, not that the police killed 25 drug dealers. --Masem (t) 14:00, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the background section may be dated, but it's sourced and relevant and I explained why in the talk page in response to Jayron32. Either way, I've done as much as I'm going to do to the article. Post it or not. Have a good weekend! --LaserLegs (talk) 17:30, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    You've said the words "it's relevant". Saying those words does not make it so. It's just not. I want this article to be posted to, but I'm not willing to compromise on quality standards to do so. We're not just putting any shit article on the main page just to make sure the topic makes ITN because some people find it important. You even called your own additions "filler" which were just added to "bulk" up the article. If it's just there to increase the word count, it's not relevant. I've explained in some detail why the inclusion of outdated, random national crime statistics is not relevant to an article about a specific police shootout in 2021. I've even told you how to add actual good information to the article. I don't know why you refuse to do so. --Jayron32 18:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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about six years ago, a shootout in the u.s., in which nine died and police were involved, was not posted.
about a week later, [[2015 TanhuatoTemplate:NdashEcuandureo shootout|a shootout in mexico]], in which forty-three died and police were involved, was posted.
also, i agree that the background information currently presented does not seem very pertinent. perhaps it would be appropriate to mention the police killing of a 14-year-old boy last may, which led to public condemnation during the george floyd protests in brazil and a subsequent ruling by the supreme federal court curtailing such raids in favelas during the pandemic, a ruling that apparently has been flouted since october. dying (talk) 18:31, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That depends? Was the 14 year old being recruited to sell drugs? I added two sentences one about the rise in drug crime and one about the recruitment of children by gangs. The raid was conducted because police believed such recruiting was taking place. Waste our time with more off topic irrelevant garbage if you feel the need; I've done no such thing. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
i had suggested adding the information above to the article because i had seen reliable sources providing these facts as relevant background information, and had thought they would be appropriate for the article. if you do not feel the same, then i apologize for having wasted your time.Template:Pbin the interest of full disclosure, i feel that i should mention that i have had personal experience with such raids in brazil when military police boarded a bus i was on with guns drawn in order to apprehend a suspected drug runner. i apologize for not having mentioned this earlier, as it had not occurred to me to mention it until i was trying to understand why i had felt that the background information currently provided in the article was not very pertinent, while you did. i do not know if the experience has given me a viewpoint that is not as neutral as i would have hoped to adopt.Template:Pbhowever, regardless of whether the currently provided statistics are relevant to the article, i currently echo Bagumba's concern regarding the possible wp:or violation as a result of providing such statistics. many of the reliable sources appear to be skeptical of the claims made by the police and the government, and the reason for the raid that the police had provided, that children were being recruited by a drug trafficking gang, is suspected to be a pretext. perhaps this source and this source are more forthcoming about this skepticism.Template:Pbi believe the 14-year-old boy that was killed last may had nothing to do with drugs, and that was one of the reasons why there was such an outcry over the killing. similarly, it is suspected that not all of those killed in this raid were suspects, and the circumstances of this incident have led the un's human rights office to call for an independent investigation.Template:Pbultimately, i think there's a story here, but i'm worried that the article is currently not telling it properly. dying (talk) 18:51, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Jersey fishing dispute

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Oppose ongoing, would support blurb. According to the infobox, and the lead, it has been going on for 1 day, since 5 May. The article was created on 21:03, May 5, 2021‎. Given the relatively short lifespan of the article, and the short duration of the dispute, it does not qualify as an "ongoing" story in either sense (a long-term story and an article that receives frequent, quality updates). The article on its own is in good enough shape, and the story is being covered by the news, so I don't see why we couldn't put this into blurb form, but this is not what ongoing is for. --Jayron32 14:19, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, especially if the residents of nearby Guernsey get involved. – Sca (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Withdrawn) COVID-19 vaccination

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  • Oppose. I opposed the removal of the special Covid box a few months back, but the decision was made and that's where we are. Vaccination isn't the only aspect of the pandemic that's currently newsworthy, there's the wave in India and Brazil, the variants, changes to lockdown arrangements in different countries too. The pandemic article covers all those topics so it's IMHO sufficient to have that as the primary link into the topic.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The primary article is not going to be replaced with this one; it's just a proposal to add a link to a secondary article in parentheses (I was also against removing the box with all links to relevant articles a few months ago.).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I do understand what you're proposing. I just don't think it's correct to single out out the vaccination programmes for an extra line, as they are far from the only aspect of COVID currently in the news. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:09, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It already appeared in ongoing section as part of the COVID-19 pandemic article. I don't see any reasons to nominated it as ongoing. 110.137.163.125 (talk) 10:21, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose No reason to link the same article from two different parts of the Front Page, let alone two different parts of just Ongoing.130.233.213.199 (talk) 11:04, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per previous. No need further to complicate the MP. – Sca (talk) 12:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdrawn Thanks for the comments so far. It seems like consensus in support of my proposal is not going to develop.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Ray Miller (baseball manager)

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  • Comment: Playing career should list the position he played (pitcher I assume?), and if available, some basic playing statistics would be useful. Otherwise looks good to go, and Conditional support once that info is added. SpencerT•C 16:28, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Manas Bihari Verma

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  • Weak support Looks fine to me but if two citations are fixed. ─ The Aafī (talk) 09:54, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - for such a short article, we should at least have everything cited. For such a long career, I feel like there should be a bit more detail on his achievements too, if at all possible. If not, I could be a weak supporter once the cites are fixed!  — Amakuru (talk) 21:29, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Frazier Glenn Miller Jr.

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Looks fine aside from the "Electoral History" section. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Mexico City Metro overpass collapse

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Though there's no fixed minimum number of deaths for an article to be important enough for ITN, a higher death toll makes an event significantly more notable. Do you think this one should be posted? Jim Michael (talk) 10:37, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Hmm, on tilt again. Only you bring up "minimum deaths". I was simply offering a comparison that five times more casualties have occurred in this event than the one you helpfully linked. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:40, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Do you want this posted? Jim Michael (talk) 10:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Meh, it's your standard boiler plate disaster stub with barely a paragraph of relevant information and will never improve so of course it will be posted. I'm just trying to understand the bridge collapse posting criteria since it's not documented at WP:ITN. In the example I cited above there was a consensus that "if it had happened anywhere else we wouldn't post it" and here we are ready to post a bridge collapse from anywhere else. I'm kind of new here, just trying to understand the ins and outs is all. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:58, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As you know, there's no "bridge collapse criteria". Nominations are judged on their merits. Some have little or no merit, some have some or much merit. It depends. Cheers now! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:16, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This has far more casualties than the one you mentioned. That's the main reason that this one has been posted & that one wasn't. This article has been improving rapidly all day. Jim Michael (talk) 13:59, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, that is not quite correct. The only reason why this one has been posted, while the other one wasn't, is that this nomination got enough support from people who happened to stop by the ITNC page while the nomination was up, while the other one did not. There are no other reasons why anything gets posted. There is no other rule, there are no precedents, there is nothing except "people who cared said something". --Jayron32 14:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus is why this was posted & previous one wasn't, but this one's higher death toll is clearly a major reason for at least some of us here to say that it should be posted. Jim Michael (talk) 14:23, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but people keep looking for ways to circumvent discussion and disqualify the opinions of others by (falsely) claiming that the reason why things are posted is because we have some sort of minimum limits, or because previous articles that were (or were not) posted in the past established a precedent, and that precedent or rule somehow invalidates the opinions of people who think differently. That is just not how we work. You may have your own private criteria as to why something will be posted, but that criteria is not based on any rule or precedent we have here at Wikipedia, and the fact that someone else uses a different criteria is NOT a reason to invalidate their opinion, despite the repeated efforts of some long-time contributors here to get their way. --Jayron32 14:36, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Disagreeing with someone, and giving reasons why you disagree - which could include citing informal standards and precedents - is not "invalidating their opinion". Discussion and debate are a healthy part of the consensus-building process. And if it happens that I disagree with someone *and* several of what you call the "long-time contributors", or indeed anyone else, happen to agree with me, then that might be enough to form a consensus contrary to the one I disagreed with. Or perhaps it isn't. That's up to the assessing admin to determine. I'm quite sure everyone who contributes to this page is used to sometimes getting the result they favour and sometimes not.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:50, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We should be disagreeing with people. We should not be doing it in a way that makes it seem like we're saying their comments are invalid because they violate some rule or that precedent has already been established. --Jayron32 15:08, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support articles in good shape, long enough and sufficiently sourced. I wonder if certain discussions would be taking place if the same event had taken place on the NYS or London Underground...Template:Nbspno, I thought not. ——Serial 11:12, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In that event, the article & this discussion would have become much longer, much quicker. It would have been posted sooner. Jim Michael (talk) 13:54, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think you mean SNOW closed as "Consensus will not develop to post" in less than 3 hours? --LaserLegs (talk) 20:04, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Oppose CV, near-stub. Of the 1,5kb of prose, only a single sentence (Death - a single sentence section) relates biographical information. On the plus side, the dates of birth and death are both listed, referencing is very thorough and the 'ographies are complete and referenced.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:31, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Helen Murray Free

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Template:ITN candidate Support Nice article - good references, notable, and a good article in general. RIP Fakescientist8000 (talk) 01:52, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Donald Cameron (Nova Scotia premier)

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  • Support: Article seems to be very well sourced. As the former Premier of Nova Scotia, it would be hard to see any other reason besides poor sourcing to not see him on ITN. – Jmanlucas (talk) 22:54, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All people with a Wikipedia article are eligible to be on RD. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 22:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Bill and melinda gates divorcing

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Template:U – He was both. A religious figure and an academic. He taught at the famous Indian seminary Darul Uloom Deoband and wrote extensively. I do not see where we have given weight to his personal faith? AFAICS, Article speaks about his early life, education and his writings, with specific mentions towards his focus on Arabic literature like his book being taught in dars-e-nizami or his articles etc. ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 08:55, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note. I've updated the article, and tried to address other related concerns. This should be enough now. Thanks. ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:28, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It was not initially clear to someone unfamiliar with the subject that he had studied Islam. Still, he was labeled as a "religious figure" in the infobox and described in the first sentence as "an Indian Sunni Muslim scholar", which I do not believe would be appropriate if he studied something other than religion. The article appears to be clearer now, thank you. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 19:06, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Your comment was really helpful. Thank you. This should be now ready for the ITN. ─ The Aafī (talk) 23:43, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) ITNR: 2021 World Snooker Championship

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I am working on it, but I got a bit behind earlier this week, so I'm not as up to date as usual. I've added a placeholder to confirm he won, and the score and such, just there is some missing detail I'll add ASAP. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:01, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Jacques d'Amboise (dancer)

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  • Comment Long quote from the National Endowment for the Arts copypasted in the article. It does appear to be public domain, so copyright would not be an issue, but currently it's in there with pretty much no context and doesn't seem to add much; would suggest breaking up. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:00, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2021 Colombian protests

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When protests kill 6 people, they're called riots. Papering over riots is a WP:RGW but I don't care that much --LaserLegs (talk) 17:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The protests didn't kill the people, the crackdown did. Unless you want to say "Police riot and kill 6 protestors". --Jayron32 17:51, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, the police cracked down on rioters, and a few were killed resisting law enforcement. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:09, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It depends on one's perception of "law and order".—Bagumba (talk) 03:44, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Don't care about the blurb. Article is in good shape. Y'all figure out the wording amongst yourselves. --Jayron32 17:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have understood that this protests began due to a tax plan proposed by the government, what seems is happening is that the sense of the protests, now that the government withdraw the proposal for the tax plan, has changed to show general disconformation with the Iván Duque's government. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 23:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My bad for the delayed comment; I was out eating with my family. Anyways, to answer your question, Alt III looks good to me. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 01:21, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) US withdrawal from Afghanistan

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Here it is. February 2020. The United States surrenders to the Taliban in Afghanistan --LaserLegs (talk) 11:03, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. The posted wording was The United States and the Taliban sign a peace agreement which establishes a framework for ending the War in Afghanistan. Withdrawing (no pun intended), but if someone wants to proceed, feel free to re-open. Brandmeistertalk 11:31, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Assuming it goes as planned, I think the conclusion of the whole thing on 9/11 is worth posting even more so than the terms last Feb. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:53, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Re I agree with posting when the whole initiative concludes. Who knows what may happen between then and now...--WMrapids (talk) 15:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) 2021 Kentucky Derby

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  • Comment: Pretty close; 1 CN tag remaining. One other consideration is the sentence Shahabuddin is synonymous with criminal-politician in India; his is the standard to which other criminal-politicians are compared, and the ref is an example of the second half of the sentence, but doesn't necessarily support the assertion that "Shahabuddin is synonymous with criminal-politician in India." As a potentially defamatory claim in a BLP, this definitely needs a source (or two) supporting that statement. SpencerT•C 00:51, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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