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This page lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

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  • Dong Huling → Tung Hu Ling – (Discuss) – The editors involved in the move from Tung Hu Ling to Dong Huling one year ago now agree the move should be undone. The subject of this article used the name Tung Hu Ling in his personal life, and based on reliable sources was known to the general public under that name as well, in the United States and around the world. Tung Hu Ling is a redirect page so an administrator's assistance is requested to complete this return move, and additional comments are invited. This was our discussion:  ::...this [move from Tung Hu Ling to Dong Huling] has become controversial because this person lived quite a long time in the United States under the name Tung Hu Ling, and that is the name on his headstone in Honolulu as you can see in this photo. His son Tung Kai Ying moved to the USA with him; he and his descendants also spell their surname Tung. Would you support undoing the move, and if so do you have a preference as to how we initiate it? Jōkepedia (talk) 04:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upstairs at The Gatehouse → Upstairs at the Gatehouse – (Discuss) – Website lower-cases "the" on this page and below, as is usual with wiki guidelines as well. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gaza Strip famine → Starvation of Palestinians during the Israel-Hamas war – (Discuss) – No source is saying this is a famine. They say near-famine, starvation, or famine-like conditions. Contrary to some claims, there is not one source in this article that declares a famine. The FRC said there wasn't enough evidence to declare a famine, and other sources agreed. But pretty much all reliable sources say there is starvation. In every report, most of the population is in some form of starvation, and sources have gladly accepted this term. Additionally, starvation has been confirmed by pretty much all humanitarian orgs, the UN, ICC, and ICJ. Also, there is no common name. I want to see evidence there's a widely used name. The name doesn't have to be this, but it should revolve around starvation in Gaza. Personisinsterest (talk) 01:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Death of Jeffrey Northrup → R. v. Zameer – (Discuss) – The event of Northrup's death is fundamentally the core issue surrounding the trial of Crown v. Zameer, which realistically should be the primary topic on this matter. This topic should fundamentally be about that with the inclusion of Northrup's death and additional details in their totality, not a cursory discussion around just the LEO's death. That presents an undesirable bias centered on the LEO and not on any other substantial issues produced by and/or resultant of the death/trial (notably criticism of the Crown's arguments and theories by the judicial system, possible evidence of collusion admist Crown witnesses, jury instructions, etc). The fact that the trial has concluded, there exists extensive reporting through both legal filings and multiple media sources to substantiate a much more thorough representation of the event described and its greater consequences (as evidenced by judicial and jury outcomes and public discussion). Himay81 (talk) 19:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 23:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Falling Behind (song) → Falling Behind – (Discuss) – The (song) identifier isn't necessary. Falling Behind currently links to Everything I Know About Love, the album the song is from. मल्ल (talk) 23:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Molokan → Molokans – (Discuss) – "Molokan" is inconsistent with other articles, like those about e.g. Baptists, and they are generally just called Molokans; see sources on the article & on Molokans in Armenia for typical conventions. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 22:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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References

  1. ^ https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2015-08&end=2024-05&pages=SS_Auriga|Charioteer_of_Delphi|HMS_Auriga_(P419)|AURIGA|Auriga_(constellation)
  2. ^ "What is gender-based violence? - Gender Matters". Council of Europe.
TRCRF22 (talk) 14:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nuseirat refugee camp massacre → Killing of civilians during Nuseirat raid and rescue – (Discuss) – The word "massacre" is listed as a non-neutral term at WP:POVNAMING and should not be used unless it's a WP:COMMONNAME, which it isn't in this case. "Killing of civilians" is perfectly neutral (see WP:KILLINGS) and covers the idea of "massacre" but in a neutral way. Two anticipated objections: *While there is currently a discussion to merge this article, I don't see any consensus there. If consensus does develop to merge/delete this article, then an admin is perfectly capable of closing this RM and redirecting this article. But until then, this article must still follow WP:NPOV. *While Israeli and Palestinian officials dispute how many civilians were killed, the fact that at least some civilians (including children) were killed during the raid is a established fact that RS state in their own voice: **"At the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in the nearby town of Deir al-Balah, the dead and wounded arrived in waves — men, women and children." Associate Press **"Many Palestinians, including children, were killed and injured in the area where the operation took place, with images and footage showing a large numbers of casualties." BBC News **"Video in the aftermath of the raid showed charred bodies scattered across streets in Nuseirat, while Palestinians could be seen gathering the remains of those killed. Bloodied children could also be seen arriving at a local hospital". NBC News Finally, the move target should be "Killing of civilians during X", where X is the name decided for 2024 Nuseirat rescue operation article per WP:CONSISTENT. Currently there seems to be a lot of support for moving that article to "Nuseirat raid and rescue". VR (Please ping on reply) 04:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Srebrenica massacre → Srebrenica genocide – (Discuss) – I suggest that we rename this article to "Srebrenica genocide" now that the UN has issued its resolution on the matter today, designating July 11 as the International Day of Reflection and Commemoration of the 1995 Genocide in Srebrenica Please also check the discussion above. Njamu (talk) 06:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 09:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip → Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip (disambiguation) – (Discuss) – Just like we don't have a date on Israel-Hamas war, as that is by far the most significant of the wars between Israel and Hamas, the current invasion of Gaza Strip is by far the most significant of the invasions of Gaza Strip. It is the longest in duration, most extensive in damage, the highest in casualties and received the most international attention. VR (Please ping on reply) 18:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:40, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2024 Nuseirat rescue operation → Nuseirat raid and rescue – (Discuss) – Most sources are dual referencing this as a raid, attack or assault rather than just as a rescue. Guardian "Israeli attacks in central Gaza killed scores of Palestinians, many of them civilians, on Saturday amid a special forces operation to free four hostages held there, with the death toll sparking international outrage." NYT "Israeli soldiers and special operations police rescued four hostages from Gaza on Saturday amid a heavy air and ground assault",CNN "Israel’s operation to rescue four hostages took weeks of preparation and involved hundreds of personnel, its military said. But the mission began with a trail of destruction in central Gaza and ended in carnage, according to local authorities." Selfstudier (talk) 15:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • September 2022 Armenia–Azerbaijan clashes → September 2022 Azerbaijani attack on Armenia – (Discuss) – I have not seen a single reliable source saying that Armenia attacked Azerbaijan. But multiple reliable sources say the opposite. Various sources describe the events as an “invasion”, “offensive”, “attack”, or “assault.” There is consensus that Azerbaijan was the one who initiated the hostilities. Some talk about “Azerbaijan’s Invasion of Armenia”, “Azerbaijan’s Offensive on Armenia”, “Azerbaijan’s Attack on Armenia”, but they all agree on one thing: Azerbaijan was the initiator of the clash, and it was Azerbaijan who attacked. Therefore, the title “Attack of Azerbaijan on Armenia” perfectly reflects the vast majority of reliable sources and is the least ambiguous. I will provide the overwhelming evidence below: * Human Rights Watch:  :“The killings took place during fighting between Armenian and Azerbaijani forces that broke out in mid-September, when Azerbaijan made incursions into Armenia...” * Genocide Watch:  :“Azerbaijani military attacks on Armenian territory show Azerbaijani disregard for Armenian sovereignty.” * Freedom House:  :“Freedom House Condemns Azerbaijani Attacks on Armenia”  :“The Azerbaijani armed forces must immediately cease their deadly attacks on Armenian territory” * Axel Gehring, Ph.D., political scientist and expert in the field of foreign and security policy and researcher at the Institute for Critical Social Analysis of the Rosa Luxemburg Foundation in Berlin:  :“On September 13, regular Azerbaijani troops launched a large-scale attack on Armenian territory. This attack took tensions between the countries to a new level.” * Laurence Broers is a specialist in conflicts in the Transcaucasus, founder of the scientific journal Caucasus Survey:  :"Azerbaijan's recent attack seeks to enforce terms in negotiations with Armenia" “ The recent large-scale cross-border attacks inside Armenia by Azerbaijan...” * Maximilian Hess, Research Fellow for Central Asia at the Foreign Policy Institute, in Foreign Policy magazine:  :“Azerbaijani forces who marched into Armenia continue to occupy part of its territory, in particular heights around the town of Jermuk.” * David L. Phillips, conflict analyst in The National Interest:  :“The United States criticized Azerbaijan's recent attacks on Armenia proper” * European Parliament Resolution:  :“Strongly condemns the latest military aggression by Azerbaijan on September 12, 2022 on the sovereign territory of Armenia”  :“calls on the Azerbaijani authorities, therefore, to immediately withdraw from all parts of the territory of Armenia “ * Wojciech Gorecki, senior researcher at the Department of Turkey, Caucasus and Central Asia:  :“in September 2022 Azerbaijan attacked targets located on Armenian territory.” * The Guardian:  : “This week, with attention focused across the Black Sea in Ukraine, fighting on the border between Azerbaijan and Armenia killed about 100 troops after Azerbaijan shelled a number of towns in Armenia, with both sides accusing each other of “provocations”.” * Der Spiegel:  : “Peace negotiations mediated by the European Union have been at an impasse since Baku also attacked territory in the Republic of Armenia in September 2022.” * TIME:  : “...democratic nation that was recently invaded by its authoritarian neighbor”  : “...but also Armenia, which has been suffering from Azerbaijan's invasion for almost three weeks now.” * BBC:  : “I don’t think anyone doubts that Azerbaijan started this operation on the territory of Armenia. Even Azerbaijani commentators admit this. Armenia is currently weak, has little interest in disrupting the status quo.” * Eurasianet  :"Azerbaijan launches large-scale attacks on Armenia"  :“Azerbaijan launched a large-scale attack on targets in Armenia, an unprecedented expansion of the long-running conflict into Armenian territory.” * Michael Rubin, senior researcher at AIP:  :“Last week, Azerbaijan attacked Armenia proper. (Last week Azerbaijan attacked Armenia directly)” * Paul Stronski is a senior fellow in the Carnegie Russia and Eurasia Programs, specializing in Russia and the South Caucasus:  : “..the fact that Russia is preoccupied, certainly led to what looks like an Azerbaijani offensive at this time”  : “And what we even saw just in the last few days is actually attacks inside and shelling inside cities inside Armenia, not just along the border." * Kapil Komireddy, political columnist for The Telegraph:  : “But so little about Azerbaijan's attack, which goes beyond the disputed territory of Karabakh and targets Armenia proper.” *Seth Franzman, Middle East analyst for The Jerusalem Post , contributor to Defense News, The National Interest and Digest of Middle East Studies:  :“Attacks on Armenia represent dangerous escalation” *Carnegie Europe:  :“Nearly 300 soldiers died in a large-scale Azerbaijani incursion into the territory of Armenia on September 13-14.” Vanezi (talk) 21:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 05:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Cremastra (talk) 14:24, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Three-dimensional electrical capacitance tomography → Electrical capacitance volume tomography – (Discuss) – This page was originally titled "Electrical capacitance volume tomography" and was recently moved to a page called "Three-dimensional electrical capacitance tomography". These two terms are not the same. The latter is a broader term as shown in the wikipedia article edit on 5/14/24 in the introduction section. References are given for the distinction between terms. When the page was moved to the new term, it stated that the term ECVT is not widely used. However, in the later 5/14/24 edit of the introduction, citations are given for the term being used in China, Indonesia, and three different research groups in the USA. It is suggested that this page return to "Electrical capacitance volume tomography". A separate page should be made for "Three-dimensional electrical capacitance tomography", if desired, as it is a distinct term that can include stacking of 2D tomographs whereas ECVT does not. Marashdeh (talk) 15:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 17:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 18:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Genocide of Indigenous peoples → Genocide of indigenous peoples – (Discuss) – "Indigenous" is only a proper name when adopted as conventional for a particular ethnic group, and when applied to the specific groups who have done so. As a general, global adjective it is not and cannot be a proper name (any more than the opposite, "colonial"), so should not be capitalized. See in particular the lead paragraph of MOS:CAPS: WP does not capitalize that which is not capitalized consistently across nearly all independent reliable sources, and "indigenous peoples" is not so capitalized (indeed, it is overwhelmingly lowercase [33][34], except in highly retrictive contexts that refer to specific populations who have adopted the term self-referentially as a name in English). This same situation is true of all such terms such as "native" and "aboriginal". "Aboriginal" is capitalized in reference to autochthonous Australians, and "Native" is capitalized in "Native Americans" in reference to the autochthonous peoples of what is now the US and sometimes (in mostly US usage) all of the Americas. But "native" is not capitalized (by the preponderance of modern reliable sources) in reference to Australians, nor "aboriginal" in reference to Americans, and neither is capitalized in "the native (aboriginal) peoples and languages of Siberia and Central Asia before the Soviet Union", etc. PS: There may be other over-capitalized articles of this sort, but perhaps take them one at a time, since some might pertain more narrowly to groups that have taken on "Indigenous" as a self-referential name/label.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC); revised 06:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tel al-Sultan massacre → Rafah tent camp attack – (Discuss) – News sources have called it "attack", "massacre", "strike" and "airstrike". It is not yet clear which is the most WP:COMMONNAME. "Massacre" carries value judgement, and "airstrike" obscures the fact that many of the casualties weren't killed directly by the airstrike, but were burned alive in the resulting fire. "Strike" is very similar to "attack", but "attack" is consistent with other similar events like World Central Kitchen aid convoy attack. I also think "Rafah tent camp" is more recognizable than "Tel al-Sultan" and most sources seem to use "Rafah tent camp" or "Rafah displacement camp".VR (Please ping on reply) 18:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza → ? – (Discuss) – I'm unsure what the new title should be, but I'm sure that this one has an issue. The Israeli attack on Gaza has gone past 2023 into 2024. So, we can't keep the "2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" part. Perhaps we could change it to "Allegations of genocide perpetrated by Israel in the Israel–Hamas war", "Allegations of genocide in Gaza in the Israel–Hamas war", or something different. Note that "2023 Israeli attack on Gaza" just redirects to Israel–Hamas war. Paul Vaurie (talk) 19:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Arab citizens of Israel → Palestinian and Arab citizens of Israel – (Discuss) – Per the smart suggestion from Keizers in the discussion above, this middle ground should address the concerns of both sides. Many editors have put a lot of time into this debate over many years, so we would ask you not to vote until you have reviewed the following discussions: * Talk:Arab citizens of Israel/Archive 8#Requested move 27 October 2021 * Talk:Palestinian citizens of Israel#Requested move 26 November 2021 * Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palestinian citizens of Israel (6 March 2024, proposed by Keizers) * Talk:Arab citizens of Israel#Requested move 21 March 2024 Onceinawhile (talk) 14:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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