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Ongoing: Israel–Hezbollah conflict
editOngoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
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- Nominated by Roncanada (talk · give credit)
Even if there is clear link with the Gaza war, this is still a different conflict, widely covered. --Roncanada (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- The linked article asserts this is part of the Israel-Hamas conflict that started in Oct 2023. I'm not seeing how it is different. The linked article above is linked in one of the top navboxes of the main Israel-Hamas page as well. Masem (t) 15:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Soft oppose Problem I have with including this in the ongoing section is that currently the conflict is little more than drone and artillery strikes by both sides. If the Israeli army launched a ground offensive into Lebanon, or vice versa, than I would support inclusion. Scu ba (talk) 15:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose unless conflict escalates - Right now it's confined to skirmishes and not a full-scale conflict. If we must post this I say we include a spillover link in the ongoing item PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above - thus far it's just been exchanges of rocket fire and airstrikes, which is pretty much what it's been for a long time - just that they've gotten more frequent that normal. The Kip (contribs) 16:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Henny Moan
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK
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- Nominated by Oceanh (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Norwegian actress. Seems sufficiently cited, except for filmography section (which needs citations). Oceanh (talk) 09:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Per MOS:FILMCAST, a citation isn't required (though there's nothing stopping us providing one) as long as the role is credited. UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- FILMCAST applies to pages about films, not to BLP, which have higher standards for sourcing. Masem (t) 15:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- They do, but FILMCAST applies to
film-related articles
, not exclusively articles about films (an article on a film actor qualifies as "film-related", in my view, under any reasonable reading). The BLP sourcing standards in question are thatany material challenged or likely to be challenged
must be sourced. Putting those together, a citation would of course be welcome in any case, and required if there was a reasonable chance that someone would dispute whether she held a particular role. UndercoverClassicist T·C 16:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- They do, but FILMCAST applies to
- FILMCAST applies to pages about films, not to BLP, which have higher standards for sourcing. Masem (t) 15:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Typhoon Yagi
editBlurb: Typhoon Yagi (pictured), leaves at least 40 people dead in China, Vietnam, and the Philippines (Post)
News source(s): ChinaNews VNExpress GMA News
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- Nominated by HurricaneEdgar (talk · give credit)
The storm made historic landfall, the death toll continued to rise, and the article is in good shape. HurricaneEdgar 00:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Article looks good and I feel like with 30 deaths, it should definitely be mentioned on the main page, IMO. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 00:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Much better. The article structure is good and the death and damages are notable enough for the main page. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major storm. Looks ready to post. Thriley (talk) 03:44, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support both on quality and significance - compared to the last typhoon at ITN, this has a much wider spread of damage. --Masem (t) 03:54, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is this the same as the below Typhoon Yagi nomination? Can the other one be closed? Natg 19 (talk) 04:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Uh oh. Yes it is the same exact one. What now? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 04:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it is, and it was clear there was consensus to wait to see if there were more impacts from further landfalls. This one is more appropriate to keep in terms of the date of nomination since this is post-impact. Masem (t) 04:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 04:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per previous vote to wait until the story develops -- it now has. UndercoverClassicist T·C 09:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Its a current weather event, so it should be recent. Sources are reliable and the context is notable. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 16:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as Yagi is absolutely notable enough to be in ITN. Shouldn't this be closed now? OhHaiMark (talk) 17:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 17:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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2024 Algerian presidential election
editBlurb: Abdelmadjid Tebboune (pictured) is declared the winner of the 2024 Algerian presidential election. (Post)
News source(s): ReutersAPAl Jazeera
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- Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sundostund (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: A national election that deserves to be ITN per WP:ITN/R Scu ba (talk) 22:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Diondre Overton
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit) and Rusted AutoParts (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Former Clemson wide receiver. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk) 03:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Dan Morgenstern
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
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Thriley (talk) 02:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Too short at the moment. The article needs some expansion. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Rebecca Horn
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Monopol Magazine, Der Spiegel
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- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Wuerzele (talk · give credit)
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German visual artist. Grimes2 (talk) 10:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, detailed and referenced --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Ron Yeats
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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Scottish footballer. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk) 03:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Several uncited statements, have added cn tags. yorkshiresky (talk) 10:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Cathy Merrick
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News
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- Created and nominated by Ornithoptera (talk · give credit)
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Indigenous leader in Canada and Grand Chief of the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good 27.96.223.192 (talk) 11:06, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article has enough length and sources for posting. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support: article is generally in good shape, perhaps some very minor POV in places but nothing serious. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. No problems found. The structure looks good enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 12:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Paul Goldsmith
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-goldsmith-indianapolis-500-nascar-icon-dies-at-98/
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- Updated and nominated by RegalZ8790 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
RegalZ8790 (talk) 01:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not quite ready. No problem with the length. However, there are several sections that are unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've added citations for the flagged passages. RegalZ8790 (talk) 21:03, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Ongoing: Brazilian investigation into Elon Musk
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Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): Vide previous candidate
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- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
- Oppose We’ve already had a nomination for this. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 01:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We have never put ongoing court actions on the ongoing line, nor would this be a case of that much import to be the first such one. --Masem (t) 01:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose already discussed below with no consensus to post. This nomination is just trying to game the process. Natg 19 (talk) 02:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Already proposed Aug. 31. No means no. --Pats2017 (talk) 03:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article discussion has already been closed with no consensus to post, no need to add this to ongoing after that. Hungry403 (talk) 03:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose there was no consensus to post this less than a week ago, and with all due respect the nom was one of the users lobbying for it. The Kip (contribs) 05:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Sérgio Mendes
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, LA Times
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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Brazilian musician. 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk) 16:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support once ready: A front-figure of bossa nova and one of the most famous Brazilian musicians of all time, together with Antônio Carlos Jobim and Vinicius de Moraes. The article still needs a lot of sources, though, and I'm afraid I won't be able to help myself... Oltrepier (talk) 16:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Oltrepier: notability isn't a factor in RD nominations, as having an article is proof of notability in itself Abcmaxx (talk) 17:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, article has sourcing maintenance tag, citation needed tags and several unsourced paragraphs. Suonii180 (talk) 20:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) San Marino national football team
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Blurb: San Marino national football team, the lowest-ranked FIFA-affiliated national team, wins the first competitive victory in their 36-year history (Post)
News source(s): ESPN.com
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- Nominated by Holapaco77 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Sports trivia. --Masem (t) 12:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We should not be posting the results of individual games, unless possibly it is a championship game. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose whilst one of the worst sports teams in history winning did garner some coverage, this doesn't meet WP:ITNQUALITY, not least because it's probably not important enough to have its own article. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - seems more like a Did You Know. Nfitz (talk) 14:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose big news for all the Tim Traveller fans out there, but ITN isn't the place for this, belongs in a did you know blurb. Scu ba (talk) 15:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose target article football is the world's biggest sport and San Marino has a unique place within it. However, if this singular win is that notable, then really there should be an article about the match itself. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Re-opened after closure (Much as I love San Marino, consensus to post won't develop. The Kip (contribs) 19:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)}}); maybe it won't reach consensus, but really not even half a day is certainly too short a time span to be closing any nomination. Let's give a chance for others to comment. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 21:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Congrats to San Marino! Cool story, but more fitting for DYK than ITN. --Pats2017 (talk) 01:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose while this is probably significant news for San Marino, I fail to see how this is really significant for the rest of the world. Editor 5426387 (talk) 04:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Ten to nothing, "remarkable". InedibleHulk (talk) 05:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose While interesting, it's more suited for DYK than ITN, as per Pats2017 and Nfitz. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
September 5
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RD: Herbie Flowers
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, NME
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:7989:33F2:8DF6:8310 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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English bass guitarist and member of T. Rex. 240F:7A:6253:1:7989:33F2:8DF6:8310 (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: played bass on Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side" and on David Essex's "Rock On". By the end of the 1970s, Flowers had played bass on an estimated 500 hit recordings. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Radha Charan Gupta
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News18
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- Nominated by jacobolus (talk · give credit)
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One of the most prolific and celebrated Indian historians of mathematics. –jacobolus (t) 05:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support seems sufficiently cited. Aydoh8[contribs] 12:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support: have made a few small edits for NPOV. UndercoverClassicist T·C 13:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Laurent Tirard
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cognitivism (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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French film director and screenwriter. 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk) 15:37, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. Cognitivism (talk) 16:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There are several cleanup tags in the article. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Rich Homie Quan
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Source
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- Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Heatrave (talk) 19:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Just one CN and it's not something especially controversial. Overall article is in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article in good shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- CN tag seems to be fixed now. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support RIP, article looks good. 139.164.154.33 (talk) 08:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is in good shape. Mooonswimmer 12:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Michel Barnier appointed Prime Minister of France
editBlurb: Michel Barnier (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of France by President Emmanuel Macron. (Post)
News source(s): "Live blog: Macron names Michel Barnier new prime minister". France24. 2024-09-05. Retrieved 2024-09-05.; "Michel Barnier named by Macron as new French PM". BBC News. 2024-09-05.
Credits:
- Nominated by UndercoverClassicist (talk · give credit)
UndercoverClassicist T·C 13:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good! His article is a little bit short but I'm sure it will get longer as he fulfills his role as France's new Prime Minister. Flyingfishee (talk) 13:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, not ITN/R but still very relevant as the conclusion of two months of political uncertainty. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good, politically relevant and a major event especially following the stalling of rejection of a leftist government. Scu ba (talk) 14:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is good but could probably do with some more content given his lengthy career before today. Appointment of the head of government of a P5 member is highly notable. AusLondonder (talk) 15:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose The article is missing many citations, such as in the National politics section and Honours & Decorations sections. Also, the article contains no information on Barnier's actions between the 2022 French presidential election and being appointed PM.Gödel2200 (talk) 15:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)- I've sorted the National politics section; working on the decorations at the moment. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot written on his activities between 2022 and today, at least going by what I can find on frWiki and French sources, so we can't include much per WP:DUEWEIGHT -- unless you have some sources I haven't seen? UndercoverClassicist T·C 16:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything significant written about him between the 2022 election and now. Sourcing all of the awards unfortunately would be difficult (though I see some were removed, which is perfectly fine by me). Gödel2200 (talk) 18:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's unfortunate -- my hope is that good sources for them exist, but I can't find anything (even in the awarding nations' languages) other than Wikipedias or Wiki-mirrors. The German Wikipedia has a very suspicious citation to "Federal Government" (in plain text) for the German award. All removed for now -- we now have no CN tags and I think the article's referencing should be up to the standard we need. UndercoverClassicist T·C 18:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything significant written about him between the 2022 election and now. Sourcing all of the awards unfortunately would be difficult (though I see some were removed, which is perfectly fine by me). Gödel2200 (talk) 18:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article is much better cited now, with only one uncited award left. It would be good to have more detail about this years French legislative election on his page (it only is mentioned in the lede right now). Gödel2200 (talk) 19:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oops -- I missed that one -- another dubious case; removed. UndercoverClassicist T·C 20:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as it's been over 2 months since the French parliamentary elections, and this is a notable change in head of government. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Support in principal, but not impressed with article quality. It's pretty thin for such a major figure and referencing has some gaps. Nothing on his personal life and I can't even figure out what his politics are. Oppose pending article improvement.-Ad Orientem (talk) 16:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)- @Ad Orientem: There have been some recent changes which I think should solve this -- the referencing and politics in particular are now quite well covered, and I think we have as much of his personal life as is relevant, given that this is a political biography. UndercoverClassicist T·C 11:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article is much improved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem: There have been some recent changes which I think should solve this -- the referencing and politics in particular are now quite well covered, and I think we have as much of his personal life as is relevant, given that this is a political biography. UndercoverClassicist T·C 11:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The prime minister doesn’t administer the executive power in France, and this is the fourth person to be appointed to that position in four years.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- The prime minister is indeed the head of the executive branch in France. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- ITNR uses List of current heads of state and government to determine who administers the executive of each country and for France it is the President of France. This reply can also be my Oppose !vote I guess. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 04:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a reliable source, especially a page that does not cite any sources, such as the one you mention. As is well known, executive power is shared between the President and the Prime Minister according to the French Constitution. The Prime Minister heads the government, which "determines and conducts government policy". This is particularly evident in periods of cohabitation, such as the current period. Cf. [1]. The error on the page you mention has been fixed based on Article 21 of the French constitution. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 07:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- The status of the current period as a cohabitation is still being discussed by reliable sources, as it is pretty much a unique situation between an entirely presidential regime and a "full" cohabitation. While the Prime Minister himself calls it "coexistence" rather than "cohabitation", political analysts describe it as "a new form of cohabitation", with the portmanteau "coalitation" being especially popular as the power shifts from the President to the National Assembly. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Leaving aside forumy discussions about whether a PM from a party holding fewer than 40 seats in the National Assembly represents a true transfer of power reflective of the results of the legislative election, the fact remains that the PM is (at the very least the nominative) co-leader of the executive branch and therefore his appointment is newsworthy. Article 21:
Le Premier ministre dirige l'action du Gouvernement. Il est responsable de la défense nationale. Il assure l'exécution des lois. Sous réserve des dispositions de l'article 13, il exerce le pouvoir réglementaire et nomme aux emplois civils et militaires.
The correction of the error mentioned above makes the appointment of a French PM automatic by virtue of Wikipedia:ITNELECTIONS.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 01:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Leaving aside forumy discussions about whether a PM from a party holding fewer than 40 seats in the National Assembly represents a true transfer of power reflective of the results of the legislative election, the fact remains that the PM is (at the very least the nominative) co-leader of the executive branch and therefore his appointment is newsworthy. Article 21:
- The status of the current period as a cohabitation is still being discussed by reliable sources, as it is pretty much a unique situation between an entirely presidential regime and a "full" cohabitation. While the Prime Minister himself calls it "coexistence" rather than "cohabitation", political analysts describe it as "a new form of cohabitation", with the portmanteau "coalitation" being especially popular as the power shifts from the President to the National Assembly. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a reliable source, especially a page that does not cite any sources, such as the one you mention. As is well known, executive power is shared between the President and the Prime Minister according to the French Constitution. The Prime Minister heads the government, which "determines and conducts government policy". This is particularly evident in periods of cohabitation, such as the current period. Cf. [1]. The error on the page you mention has been fixed based on Article 21 of the French constitution. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 07:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- ITNR uses List of current heads of state and government to determine who administers the executive of each country and for France it is the President of France. This reply can also be my Oppose !vote I guess. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 04:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- The prime minister is indeed the head of the executive branch in France. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support (which should go without saying). Head of government and directs the actions of the government, which determines and conduct the policy of the Nation. Nfitz (talk) 03:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This seems very like the case of Speaker Johnson – someone appointed to get the budget through a hung parliament by hook or by crook. But that got shouted down while this gets more support. It's puzzling. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:40, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support The appointment of a head of government after months of chaos is notable. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Kiril Simeonovski above. I struggle to see if there is something extraordinary about this appointment compared to any other appointment. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 14:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose appointed positions are neither democratic or notable in principal, there is nothing special about this appointment to warrant inclusion as a blurb. additionally, the linked article Prime Minister of France is orange tagged. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:22, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- It appears you have made 200 edits to mainspace. Feel free to get some experience by fixing whatever you see as problematic. As for whether the Prime Minister of a country whose government is run by the prime minister is a notable position, we'll have to agree to disagree. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I am not literate in French so it'd be hard for me to improve that article by finding sources without relying on Google Translate (which seems unreliable). But your point is taken, I should spend more time in mainspace. :) Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- We only require the targeted article to be of sufficient quality - if we required all articles linked from the blurb to be of good quality, nothing would ever be posted. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- It appears you have made 200 edits to mainspace. Feel free to get some experience by fixing whatever you see as problematic. As for whether the Prime Minister of a country whose government is run by the prime minister is a notable position, we'll have to agree to disagree. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Those opposing are doing so largely based on faulty arguments: firstly, executive power is "bicephalous" (two-headed) in France. While the power of the prime minister is largely nominal when the President and PM are from the same party, this is not the case during divided government. Secondly, whether the nomination process is democratic or not does not determine whether something is newsworthy. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 08:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- And what exactly makes this appointment newsworthy/extraordinary compared to any other appointment? 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:ITNELECTIONS, good IP with 20 contribs.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 12:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- I still struggle to see any extraordinary reasons for this to be posted and as kcmastrpc pointed out, prime minister of France is still orange tagged.
- Furthermore, please refrain from continuing attempting to poison the well, as the amount of contributions anyone have has little to do with the validity of their arguments and doesn't help your case. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 14:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- The mention of your lack of experience is an attempt to explain your lack of understanding of the appropriate guideline that has been provided. Nothing extraordinary is required to post the appointment of a new head of government after 8 weeks of delay. That is not to say that this appointment is not extraordinary, given the extraordinary circumstances, but that is not relevant to a decision here. Moreover, after adding five standard references and a book review, I've removed the orange tag on prime minister of France. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 16:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:ITNELECTIONS, good IP with 20 contribs.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 12:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Nominate the Protests? These seem more "impactful" and less "stale"; the same blurb would necessarily mention the new PM. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- This makes the most sense to me. —Cryptic 01:41, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Why not just add a bit to the current blurb?
- ALT 1: Michel Barnier (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of France by President Emmanuel Macron leading La France Insoumise to organize protests.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 02:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Might be wise to cut the "organised by", since my understanding is that other left-wing groups have had a role in organising some of the events -- could I suggest ALT2: "...by President Emmanuel Macron, leading to nationwide anti-government protests." UndercoverClassicist T·C 09:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Fine with me... -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 18:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Important country, important event. People will be turning to the Wikipedia article for information. Like the role of president and prime minister, which differs from every other country I can think of. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 15:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Independent of the actual power of the PM, it's worth noting the situation here. French politics have increasingly heated lately, new elections were called, and Macron's recently appointed PM resigned within a year. Meanwhile, he goes with a different sort of pick here, but not without some backlash by the public. Again, this is discounting the actual power of the French PM, which seems to be understated in this discussion. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Rebecca Cheptegei
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Standard, BBC, The Guardian, L'Équipe, Il Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit)
- Updated by SnowShoes8 (talk · give credit), Heathy94 (talk · give credit), Geschichte (talk · give credit) and ElleAnónime (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: An Ugandan runner who most recently represented her country at the 2024 Summer Olympics, and has now fell victim of a horrible crime. The article definitely needs some more work, but the sources I've included should help us. Oltrepier (talk) 08:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would this merit a blurb? She was a very renowned sportsperson around the world. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Abcmaxx As much as I'd like that possibility, I don't think so...
- Unlike Kelvin Kiptum's case, Cheptegei didn't have many notable achievements, aside of her victory at the 2021 WMTR Championships and her recent participation at the Olympics, and so most people would rather get to know her because of this extremely appalling event. Oltrepier (talk) 09:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now - the Sporting career section is very under-referenced at the moment. As above, probably not quite blurb level but worth noting that media around the world such as the NY Times and Guardian have it on their front pages. Such a really tragic story. — Amakuru (talk) 10:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment We've had two tragic deaths of notable sports individuals in the past week or so where editors seemed to have missed the WP:SPIRIT of WP:ITNRDBLURB and I'd encourage editors to really introspect on whether or not suppressing blurbs for these individuals is beneficial to our readers. ITN is pretty stale right now too, fwiw. Quality issues aside with this article, obviously, I Support blurb once usual citation issues are cleared up. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP is not a newspaper. ITN is not about reporting news but to feature encyclopedic quality articles that are in the news. Just because this is a tragic event to a recent Olympic athlete dies not mean it is appropriate to highlight the death as a blurb since their significance overall is minor, in addition to the poor state of the article. — Masem (t) 14:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem Johnny Gaudreau just got GA nominated, so it's not just about quality of the article. I will admit, this one needs some work, but multiple editors are working on it. Again, I'm just asking editors to really consider the reasons we're suppressing so many recent ITN nominations, what's the point of ITN if everything just gets tied up in WP:WIKILAWYER arguments? Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Death blurbs are held to a higher standard given that we automatically include all deaths of notable persons with quality articles in the RD line. — Masem (t) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yea, I know, I think there's a semi-related discussion on Talk where I can continue my diatribe. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Death blurbs are held to a higher standard given that we automatically include all deaths of notable persons with quality articles in the RD line. — Masem (t) 15:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem Johnny Gaudreau just got GA nominated, so it's not just about quality of the article. I will admit, this one needs some work, but multiple editors are working on it. Again, I'm just asking editors to really consider the reasons we're suppressing so many recent ITN nominations, what's the point of ITN if everything just gets tied up in WP:WIKILAWYER arguments? Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- WP is not a newspaper. ITN is not about reporting news but to feature encyclopedic quality articles that are in the news. Just because this is a tragic event to a recent Olympic athlete dies not mean it is appropriate to highlight the death as a blurb since their significance overall is minor, in addition to the poor state of the article. — Masem (t) 14:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Substantial improvements in sourcing, the articlce's quality is good. Pinging updater @ElleAnónime:. --NoonIcarus (talk) 13:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- I've done some work on the article's prose; it would still benefit from more polish (I'm not convinced that we need all those race results), but I think it's over the line for what we need here. All remaining uncited material is gone and I've added some important facts from a recent World Athletics obituary. UndercoverClassicist T·C 21:01, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Picture Another candidate for an RD picture and it's a good one. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- The article is of good quality. Kcmastrpc makes a good argument for a blurb, and I am convinced this is blurb-worthy given the tragic nature of her death as noted by WP:ITNRDBLURB. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, everything looks sourced. Suonii180 (talk) 16:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Commnet: I just wanted to thank everyone who took the time to improve and add sources to the article: it looks much better than it did when I first nominated it, and I think that's a good way to pay respect to Cheptegei. Oltrepier (talk) 16:42, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: looks ready for RD. Natg 19 (talk) 21:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 22:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
September 4
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RD: Hans-Ulrich Schmincke
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Chaiten1 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: German academic and volcanologist. Chaiten1 (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to me. Hungry403 (talk) 03:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Noel Parmentel
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: NY Times obit published 4 September. Thriley (talk) 04:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support good quality article, well referenced Chaiten1 (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Apalachee High School shooting
editThe following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: 4 are killed and 9 injured in a high school shooting in Georgia (Post)
Alternative blurb: 4 left dead in the first american school shooting of the year
News source(s): "4 dead in georgia school shooting". 2024-09-04. Retrieved 2024-09-05.; "A 14-year-old student fatally shot 4 people in a rampage at a Georgia high school, officials say". AP News. 2024-09-05.
Credits:
- Nominated by Normalman101 (talk · give credit)
- Note, I understand this is unfortunately common in the U.S, and that wikipedia is not ameri-centric, but it is in the news and I think it deserves discussion. Normalman101 (talk)
- Oppose Unfortunately, shootings happen fairly often in the US, and this one had "few" deaths or injuries. Natg 19 (talk) 19:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Few fatalities or injuries in one of these very common events. 64.114 etc 20:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Natg 19, unfortunately. School shootings are a dime a dozen in the USA. Kurtis (talk) 20:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose with regret -- we'd have to have a reserved item almost every day if we were going to report every US school shooting. UndercoverClassicist T·C 21:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose while tragic, mass shootings in the United States are far too common, with roughly 1 or 2 occurring daily. 24.166.251.29 (talk) 23:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Let's please not overexaggerate the gun violence problem in the US. Yes, shootings in the US are far too frequent to be posted unless they are highly unusual, but let's not create hyperbole around the situation, that does not help towards keeping ITN civil. --Masem (t) 00:07, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sadly this is a common event here in the United States. Would need either a considerably higher death toll or some other unusual circumstance (famous person involved, historic landmark damaged). The Lewiston, Maine, shooting last year that we posted had 20+ fatalities. --Pats2017 (talk) 00:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Luis Ayala
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
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- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Good article but needs more references in amateur career section. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Multiple citation needed tags are in place. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 18:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Bora Đorđević
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
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- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Good length article but needs a lot more references. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. For the usual reason. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 18:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
September 3
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(Review needed) RD: Wayne Graham
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:DDC5:B4B4:9ABF:9780 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by DarkStarHarry (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Spencer (talk · give credit) and Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
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Former coach for the Rice Owls. 240F:7A:6253:1:DDC5:B4B4:9ABF:9780 (talk) 22:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose needs a lot of referencing work, especially for the coaching section. Natg 19 (talk) 01:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Refs and some additional added. SpencerT•C 06:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
(Re-review needed) RD: Vladimir Bure
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://sports.yahoo.com/devils-mourn-passing-vladimir-bure-180000786.html
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- Updated by Materialscientist (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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Four Olympic medals, two Stanley Cups. 21:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Quite Ready Overall short but adequate excepting the medals table which needs to be sourced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Unreferenced date and place of birth. Schwede66 23:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Charley Johnson
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:2D26:E48C:3EF9:D097 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Marbe166 (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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Former quarterback for the Denver Broncos. 240F:7A:6253:1:2D26:E48C:3EF9:D097 (talk) 19:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Jacqueline Winsor
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ARTnews
Credits:
- Nominated by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
- Created by Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and 50.101.200.254 (talk · give credit)
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Canadian-born American sculptor and contributor to the feminist movement. Article in good shape. Jmanlucas (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support I don’t see any glaring issues with the article. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 06:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support good quality article. Chaiten1 (talk) 06:53, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Almost there One CN tag. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- It is not there anymore so I assume it has been fixed. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 07:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- seems a good article. UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment 3 Cn tags outstanding.—Bagumba (talk) 12:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
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2024 Makala prison jailbreak attempt
editBlurb: 129 have died and a further 59 injured in an attempted jailbreak at Makala prison, Kinshasa, DR Congo. (Post)
Alternative blurb: 129 people are killed and dozens injured as a consequence of an attempted jailbreak at a prison in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo.
Alternative blurb II: 129 people are killed after an attempted jailbreak at a prison in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo.
News source(s): BBC News, The Guardian, AP News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Breaking news, global reach, just started article, help with expanding greatly appreciated. Given DR Congo is very under-reported, any good sources are vital. Significant tragedy, please don't comment on article quality until the article expands and has time to do so. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Would support on significance. AusLondonder (talk) 11:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now, but would support with an alternate blurb and expanded article. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Still oppose, the article has expanded and is better quality, but there just isn’t much about the actual riot. Personisinsterest (talk) 21:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment added altblurb. Sheila1988 (talk) 14:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait/Support Alt2 needs to break free of the stub status before posting. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional Support Needs expansion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability but we should wait till article is expanded a bit. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose on quality per above. The Kip (contribs) 18:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The article says that "Jailbreaks are common in the DRC" and no-one escaped in this case so it seems quite minor compared to the great escape in 2017 which we don't seem to have an article for. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- The death count is the significant part. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 22:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is an argument to create the missing 2017 Makala prison jailbreak surely. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- The death count is the significant part. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 22:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability—With no comment on article quality (though my support is contingent upon it being sufficiently sourced and well-written in principle). 129 people getting killed in a single event is a major news event worthy of a blurb on the main page. My preference is for alt. blurb 2, but maybe with the "and dozens injured" line from alt1 added in for good measure. Kurtis (talk) 02:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability due to at least 129 people being killed, with alt2 as my preference.
However, the article needs to be expanded before posting.Gödel2200 (talk) 12:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- The article is no longer a stub now, and looks long enough. Gödel2200 (talk) 11:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability - but I think that there needs to be an article at Makala Central Prison, not just a red link. Nfitz (talk) 15:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional Support. Article needs a bit more work, but this is notable due to the high number of deaths. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 05:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Update thank you all for your help, shout out in particular to @Gödel2200: for expanding, article in much better shape now. Expanded majorly, but there is whole host of very good references if anyone believes it should be expanded further. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose ITN doesn't regularly post these kind of events, even with somewhat high deathcounts. Four recent examples from a very quick search of ITN archives are the Mahara prison riot, the February 2021 Ecuadorian prison riots, the Tuluá prison riot, and the September 2021 Guayaquil prison riot (which even had a similar death count of 123). The point is that prison riots or escapes are generally not notable, unless they were caused by something significant occurring outside the prison. Flyingfishee (talk) 12:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- The Mahara prison riot and Tuluá prison riot noms were not posted only due to quality issues (meaning there was not consensus against notability). For the other two mentioned examples (the February 2021 Ecuadorian prison riots and September 2021 Guayaquil prison riot), it does not seem that they were even nominated, which means there was not consensus against posting. In fact, prison riots do get featured on ITN. See for example this one, which was from June 2023. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- @AusLondonder, Gödel2200, Personisinsterest, Nfitz, Midori No Sora, Kurtis, The Kip, PrinceofPunjab, Ad Orientem, and Kcmastrpc: any comment on quality now that the article has been expanded? Abcmaxx (talk) 21:08, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't there, User:Abcmaxx be an article - however brief, for the prison - Makala Central Prison? Nfitz (talk) 22:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Rodolfo Hernández Suárez
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Pais
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- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support past-tensed the article a bit, looks well-sourced otherwise. The Kip (contribs) 08:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. The article was already in decent shape considering that he was the runner-up in the 2022 Colombian presidential election. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 12:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 17:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: James Darren
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3], [4]
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- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Speakfor23 (talk · give credit) and Radiohist (talk · give credit)
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Happily888 (talk) 01:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Needs work entire lead section is uncited. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 03:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose a orange tag, multiple cn tags, unsourced discography and filmography. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: John Schultz (footballer, born 1938)
editRecent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Western Bulldogs
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- Nominated by TyphoonAmpil (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sammyrice (talk · give credit)
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🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 04:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Much of the career section is unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 07:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose orange-tagged. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose orange tag needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed, newer entry available) Typhoon Yagi (2024)
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Blurb: Typhoon Yagi (pictured), leaves more than fourteen people dead in the Philippines. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Typhoon Yagi (pictured), leaves at least fourteen people dead in the Philippines.
News source(s): ABS CBN Rappler Inquirer
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- Nominated by TyphoonAmpil (talk · give credit)
- Not Ready Storm not ended 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 06:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose The storm is currently affecting the Philippines, but we should wait until it becomes clear. HurricaneEdgar 06:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- @HurricaneEdgar is Not Ready don't close 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 06:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose. There's so many problems. First of all, the typhoon is currently active and nothing is notable at the moment. Two deaths and a flooded city is not notable enough. Second, both of the blurbs are poorly written. Probably better to wait until the full damage becomes clear or just WP:SNOW close this for now. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 07:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose- there are dozens of tropical storms a year. I have no idea what about this one has caused it to be ITN. Nfitz (talk) 08:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC) Change to Wait as the forecast shows this will become a much more serious storm (and become a Typhoon) before it hits China. Nfitz (talk) 21:47, 2 September 2024 (UTC)- Walt storm has clear easy. 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 09:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment please correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t the correct term for a storm hitting the coast be something like “Typhoon XYZ hit ABC causing damage” not how the current suggested blurbs are written. Again please correct me if I’m wrong. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 09:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- There are many ways a nominator can write a blurb for a typhoon/hurricane/cyclone. See the blurb for the recent Typhoon Gaemi.
- For example, it can be like "Storm leaves more than number dead across this country" or "At least number people are killed when storm makes landfall over this country." With that said, I'm still not satisfied with either of the blurbs and I don't see this being posted on the ITN at the moment. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 10:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I had a problem with the grammar as “typhoon Yagi hit on Philippines” or “has hitted” makes no grammatical sense. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 11:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- 27.96.223.192 Yes it's
typhoon Yagi hit on Philippines
. Can fix? 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 11:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)- I don’t mean to be the grammar police but the I believe the correct term is “Typhoon Yagi has hit the Philippines causing XYZ damage”. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 12:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I believe the correct term is "Tropical Storm Yagi". That said, despite weaking significantly, it appears it will strengthen significantly, and is forecast to hit the Hainan province of China as a category 3, if not 4, Typhoon; and and then head straight for Hanoi in North Vietnam, where it could be a category 1. So let's wait and see if this becomes a Typhoon and does some serious destruction. Nfitz (talk) 21:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, the grammar issue has been fixed in the blurb. I appreciate the feedback very much!. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 00:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I believe the correct term is "Tropical Storm Yagi". That said, despite weaking significantly, it appears it will strengthen significantly, and is forecast to hit the Hainan province of China as a category 3, if not 4, Typhoon; and and then head straight for Hanoi in North Vietnam, where it could be a category 1. So let's wait and see if this becomes a Typhoon and does some serious destruction. Nfitz (talk) 21:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t mean to be the grammar police but the I believe the correct term is “Typhoon Yagi has hit the Philippines causing XYZ damage”. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 12:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- 27.96.223.192 Yes it's
- Yeah I had a problem with the grammar as “typhoon Yagi hit on Philippines” or “has hitted” makes no grammatical sense. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 11:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose In its current state, not ready and not WP:ITNSIGNIF Schwinnspeed (talk) 09:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose an actual typhoon hit Japan recently, causing casualties, and that was rejected by ITN due to notability. Should be no different in this case for a tropical storm. Scu ba (talk) 16:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @HurricaneEdgar @Midori No Sora @PrinceofPunjab @Schwinnspeed and @Scu ba why Oppose vote Yagi hit China, can Change to Wait soon is Strong Support Sep 6? 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 03:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not notable enough in its current state; storm likely to have more impact in a few days.
- Noah, BSBATalk 03:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Hurricane Noah Wait Yagi hit China 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 03:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- @HurricaneEdgar @Midori No Sora @PrinceofPunjab @Schwinnspeed and @Scu ba why Oppose vote Yagi hit China, can Change to Wait soon is Strong Support Sep 6? 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝) 03:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Please be mindful of the difference between strong oppose and wait and the impact this has on the closing admin. A straight up vote count would lead to this being SNOW closed, regardless of what will transpire when this typhoon's impacts are finally fully realized. If you actually mean "wait", say wait. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional support I'd be willing to support this once it hits landfall in Mainland China or Hong Kong and the article is updated to reflect events there. I don't understand why there are so many opposes right now, it will lead to the nomination being closed too soon. Flyingfishee (talk) 12:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait: article is in good shape, so no issues there, but this seems likely to become a bigger story imminently -- see today's mass evacuation in China for instance. UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:11, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
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