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June 30

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(Posted) RD: Hugh Aldons

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Article: Hugh Aldons (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The Sunday Observer
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Sri Lankan sportsman who has played field hockey. rugby union and cricket for Sri Lanka. Abishe (talk) 02:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support IMO meets bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per PoP but an infobox would be nice. Bremps... 23:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nadim Mostafa

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Article: Nadim Mostafa (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The Financial Express
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Bangladeshi BNP politician. Exact DOB needs to be nailed down. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 18:18, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the article seems to rely heavily on just one news website, needs other sources than that site. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted as RD) RD/Blurb: R. Sampanthan

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Article: R. Sampanthan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Sri Lankan Politician R. Sampanthan (pictured) whose been in the Parliament for 6 terms (1977, 2001, 2004, 2010, 2015, 2020); and as the opposition leader for a term had passed away. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sri Lankan Politician R. Sampanthan (pictured) whose been in the Parliament for 6 terms with 5 consecutive terms; and as the opposition leader for a term had passed away.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Sri Lankan Politician R. Sampanthan (pictured) whose been in the Parliament for 6 terms with 5 consecutive terms (1977, 2001, 2004, 2010, 2015, 2020); and as the opposition leader for a term had passed away.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Former Sri Lankan opposition leader R. Sampanthan dies at 91.
News source(s): The Hindu, BBC, Newswire
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Sri Lankan politician. Been in the parliament for 6 terms, and as opposition leader for 1 term. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blurb is a bit much for a Leader of the Opposition. Bremps... 02:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is one of the most important political figures in the country. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, was. So far, his article doesn't seem to reflect that he was a supposedly transformative figure, but it might just be due to omissions. Bremps... 03:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, leading the opposition in parliament for a term isn't really blurb-worthy. If a blurb has to be chosen, altblurb 3 is the most concise and fluff-free. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 03:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Nowhere close to the expected type of coverage/content to describe being a "great figure" in Sri Lanka politics. Perhaps important being the opposition leader, but that doesn't equate to "great". --Masem (t) 03:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD The prose and citations are there for an RD mention; the very few uncited statements are not controversial. A blurb is obviously not going to happen and is not worth discussing. -- Kicking222 (talk) 08:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD article is good enough to be posted in the RD, but being an leader of opposition is not a blurb worthy position. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - I don't think we'd generally consider a blurb for a politician who had never actually led a nation or government from any country. I wouldn't, at least. Politics is an important field, as I often say, but this isn't being at the top of it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb is out of the question but support RD. Let's focus on article quality from here on out. Bremps... 03:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not a political figure that we blurb. BilboBeggins (talk) 16:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 29

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(Posted) RD: Martti Wallén

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Article: Martti Wallén (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diario de Mallorca
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Finnish bass opera singer who was engaged in Finland, Sweden (for the longest time) and Germany, and died in Spain, where the obits come from, not noticed by the mainstream reports, so I'm late again, sorry. He performed in a world premiere in Los Angeles that was meant to be in Helsinki, DYK? The article was mostly there, even the references, but they were not used inline much. It was funny to learn opera titles in Swedish - many of those I couldn't recognize ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 08:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mauritanian presidential election

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The item is now stale, as the oldest ITN hook is from 1 July. Schwede66 00:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Mauritanian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mohamed Ould Ghazouani (pictured) is reelected in the Mauritanian presidential election. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Technically it isn't, as ITNELECTIONS only lists changes in the holder of office as ITNR, whereas this is a reelection. However, it should be ITNR, and there is ongoing dicsussion on how we should amend ITNELECTIONS. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment although I like tables, it needs more prose. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 04:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Borno State bombings

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The item is now stale, as the oldest ITN hook is from 1 July. Schwede66 00:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Borno State bombings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 30 people were killed and over 100 injured in suicide bombings in Borno State, Nigeria. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times Vanguard
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Article will need work. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:13, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now Who, what, where, when, why and how? What, where, when and how are answered, leaving who and why (though we have a pretty good guess). Ping me if both are answered, if so, I'll support this being posted as this is a major attack. Bremps... 02:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Pål Enger

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Article: Pål Enger (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): NRK, Dagbladet
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Norwegian footballer and art thief (stole the The Scream!). Will not be posted in current state, needs lots of citations if anyone wants to tackle. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 18:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Princess Lalla Latifa Amahzoune

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Article: Lalla Latifa Amahzoune (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): APA News
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princess widow of King Hassan II, mother of the current King of Morocco Mohammed VI. Article is short (she had a very discreet role and it seems that little is known about her), but almost ready. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup final

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Article: 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cricket, India win the T20 World Cup by defeating South Africa in the final (player of the final Virat Kohli pictured). (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera The Washington Post
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14.139.34.101 (talk) 18:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Licensing info for the image on the page for the cup is a bit fishy. Bremps... 05:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 28

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(Posted) RD: Audrey Flack

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Article: Audrey Flack (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, ARTnews, Smithsonian, Artforum, Washington Post
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Photorealist. (With Mary Cassatt, among first two women added to Janson's History of Art.) Article is Start class but seems to be cited. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment For the record, NYT error. Smithsonian says she was one of three living women added to Janson 3rd edition. Unbelievably, that was in 1986. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lando Bartolini

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Article: Lando Bartolini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Corriere del Ticino (in Italian)
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Italian tenor of international fame, had a stub of an article with 2 tags. There's still more in Italian if someone has the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mohamed Osman Jawari

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Article: Mohamed Osman Jawari (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Garowe Online
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Speaker of the Federal Parliament of Somalia and briefly acting President of Somalia --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 05:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please post, @Admins willing to post ITN: Bremps... 18:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Orlando Cepeda

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Article: Orlando Cepeda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo! Sports
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Natg 19 (talk) 03:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: Death is reliably sourced. Article is reasonably complete and well-referenced, with no major issues apparent, tagged, or mentioned on the talk page. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not ready, I CN tagged some the areas needing an inline citation -- usually when there was not a source after a couple of sentences. I do not doubt they are the same citations used elsewhere in the same section, but lots of factual claims being made without an inline follow up. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 05:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Mongolian parliamentary election

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Stale. Stephen 00:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Mongolian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ruling MPP party secures a slim majority in the 2024 Mongolian parliamentary election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Mongolian People's Party wins re-election in the parliamentary elections
News source(s): The Associated Press
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Article has a few outstanding tags. Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article could use some improvement but is good enough for now. Proposed altblurb This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article should be of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait The quality issues with the article have now been resolved, but we should wait until the full results are released. The article says: "The full official results will be officially presented by GEC within 14 days." so we should just renominate when they do get released. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC) Oppose due to a whole paragraph of unsourced information in the background section. Also, the lead of the article only states the preliminary results, so we may want to wait until the final results come out. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Scu ba, see the end of the first and second paragraphs of the background section. The second paragraph is the one with no sources. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see it now, looks like it was initially added in the .ru version which was then copied and translated to the .en version 01:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC) Scu ba (talk) 01:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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June 27

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RD: Martin Mull

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Article: Martin Mull (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The New York Times, Variety, Associated Press, NPR
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Staraction (talk | contribs) 03:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Landry Nguémo

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Article: Landry Nguémo (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): BBC, L'Équipe, Goal.com, The Scotsman
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Nominator's comments: Former footballer who represented Cameroon at senior international level, and played for Nancy, Celtic and Bordeaux, among other clubs. Unfortunately, the article is still in poor shape, and might use some more citations, but it's definitely nothing "unfixable". Oltrepier (talk) 19:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 26

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RD: Kinky Friedman

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Article: Kinky Friedman (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Texas Tribune, Rolling Stone
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American musician, satirist, and politician. Has orange banner, needs some more sources. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose discography and Writing career sections are almost entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:51, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose overreliance on one and two sentence paragraphs. Also what PrinceofPunjab said. Bremps... 06:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sergei Berezin

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Article: Sergei Berezin (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Toronto Sun, CBC
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Russian professional ice hockey player. Pretty good shape. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks alright to me and before anyone say that Career statistics section is unsourced, the source is in the external link section. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The infobox and stats table indicate that the subject represented his country on multiple occasions, but the prose lack materials on his international career. This gap in coverage needs to be filled. --PFHLai (talk) 15:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jackie Clarkson

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Article: Jackie Clarkson (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): NOLA
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American politician: Louisiana House of Representatives and New Orleans City Council. Could do with a few more citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait some paragraphs end without any footnotes.PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:54, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrinceofPunjab, take a look now. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 06:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Bolivian coup attempt

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Articles: 2024 Bolivian coup d'état attempt (talk · history · tag) and Juan José Zúñiga (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Bolivia, an army under the command of Juan José Zúñiga storms the presidential palace in an attempted coup. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg , BBC
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Nominator's comments: Fresh news story, Bolivia appears to have underwent a coup attempt from a local General. — Knightoftheswords 20:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability, but Zúñiga's article is still a one-sentence stub for now. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article is already a little bit longer now, although it can still very much be improved. Given the importance and recency of the situation, it should be okay for posting. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, I wonder where this one goes. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - it has a dozenWP:RS citations now. It's still a work in progress, but it's only a matter of time before this gets to the front page. A short amount of time, if you ask me. Kire1975 (talk) 21:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, notable and the article seems good Personisinsterest (talk) 22:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The long term historical record may be, but since the CIA stopped doing that sort of thing, they are rare in South America now too. HiLo48 (talk) 06:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support on notability coups a rare thing nowadays Kasperquickly (talk) 00:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not really. Bremps... 19:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not to bludgeon my point, but there were two coups in 2022, one foiled plot in 2023, another foiled one in 2024, and another brewing on the horizon in Burkina Faso alone. Not to mention Niger, Tunisia, Chad, etc. There's a coup epidemic. Bremps... 21:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong continent. HiLo48 (talk) 06:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Kasperquickly should have specified that they meant only South American coups, then. They spoke about coups generally. Bremps... 07:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bakhyt Kenjeev

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Article: Bakhyt Kenjeev (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Meduza
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A renowned Kazakh-born Russian poet, a founding member of the "Moscow Time" group of Soviet underground poets. Recipient of several notable Russian literary prizes, said to have been nominated for the Nobel prize.

(Closed) ICC issues arrest warrants for Russia's Shoigu and Gerasimov

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Consensus to post is unlikely to develop.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: War crimes in the Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ICC has issued arrest warrants for the Russian army chief and former defense minister for war crimes in Ukraine. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, VOA, NY Times
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Ainty Painty (talk) 06:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - total of one sentence in the entire bolded article referencing the news item. Not to get WP:CRYSTALBALL, but this is a symbolic move that likely will not have many consequences, similar to Putin's arrest warrant (other than restricting travel). In particular, the NYT article states, "That makes it highly unlikely that Mr. Shoigu and General Gerasimov will be taken into custody in the foreseeable future". Also covered by the Ongoing section; could be considered part of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Finally, another article for the arrest warrants does not yet exist (as exists at International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova), and including that article in the blurb, or at least mentioning the subjects of the warrants, would be more appropriate. Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The last time ITN was fooled into posting something like this, the most significant consequence was Main Page readers having to look at Putin smiling at them for an unreasonably (and perhaps uncomfortably) long time; I don't know what these guys look like, but I'm pretty anyone smiling in an official portrait is the entirely wrong look for this harmless-yet-ill-intended sort of news. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Putin was one thing as a sitting head of state, this is comparatively far less important. The Kip (contribs) 06:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Putin story was notable as it was the head of the state but Army chief is not that notable. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - As PrinceOfPunjab says, Putin was worth posting as head of state, but this is a subsidiary matter and not suitable for ITN. It very much falls under Ongoing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2024 NEET controversy

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Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 02:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 NEET controversy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Outrage and protests erupt in India regarding irregularities surrounding the results of the National Eligibility-cum-Entrance Test (NEET) (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Needs better blurb. Rushtheeditor(talk) 00:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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June 25

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RD: José Antonio Urtiaga

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Article: José Antonio Urtiaga (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Super Deporte
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Nominator's comments: Spanish footballer with 150 La Liga games for three big teams and a European final goal astonishingly didn't have an English page in his lifetime. The page covers aspects of his career, though I suppose more about his life would come from the El Diario Vasco source that is paywalled. All references to numbers and statistics are sourced from BDFutbol in the external links, though I can inline that if needs be. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bill Cobbs

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Article: Bill Cobbs (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The New York Times
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Article needs to be improved before posting. Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose orange tag and is in need of more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chang'e 6 return

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The lunar landing site imaged by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter
Article: Chang'e 6 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The China National Space Administration mission Chang'e 6 successfully returns to Earth with rock samples from the far side of the Moon (lunar landing site pictured). (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated

We did post when it arrived at the moon, and per ITNR, its successful return is also there. Unfortunately, I don't know how much more than a sentence update (both lede and body) can be made here, given that it is China and news from there tends to be iffy. There definitely needs to be a better update before posting. --Masem (t) 04:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support They literally got a moon rock that’s pretty important Personisinsterest (talk) 10:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Come on, first far-side moon rocks. Bremps... 17:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sika Anoa‘i

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Article: Sika Anoaʻi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today, WWE
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Article updated
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American Samoan professional wrestler. WWE Hall of Fame. Needs some more citations (I have added some tags and the banner), but it seems people are updating the article. If you know who should be considered an updater, please add to nom. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 22:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Kenya protests

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Article: Kenya Finance Bill protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nineteen people are killed and dozens are injured as protesters storm the Parliament Buildings in Kenya (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Nineteen people are killed and at least 160 are injured as protesters attack the Parliament Buildings in Kenya.
News source(s): CNN
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Article needs a significant rewrite. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 15:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC) Highlighted vote. Bremps... 22:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Best to bold that so no one overlooks it. Bremps... 22:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb on basis of notability, but some expansion would be needed. A national parliament of a major African nation being set on fire is certainly noteworthy. International newspapers seem to be increasing their coverage of the event, so hopefully there will soon be more info to beef up the article.Khuft (talk) 21:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability: there's some things that still need citations though.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 21:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless the rioters/protestors are killing their own the security forces are behind the deaths. If/when confirmation comes, we should add that to the blurb instead of relying on passive voice. Bremps... 22:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mohamed Arif

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Article: Mohamed Arif (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Edition
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Article updated
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Maldivian footballer. Death announced 25 Jun 2024. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 15:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Julian Assange Released

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Article: Julian Assange (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Julian Assange agrees to a US plea bargain that would allow for his immediate release. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is released from prison as part of a U.S. plea bargain.
News source(s): CNN
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Article updated

Aaron Liu (talk) 00:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technically he has already gotten out. He was released from the British prison on Monday afternoon and he's now going to the Northern Mariana Islands to plead guilty and get sentenced to time served. That hearing is at 7 p.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday, less than 24 hours from now, which could be a good time to post a blurb. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That seems like a reasonable plan. Would temporarily atopping this section until that time be unusual, or would just removing it for now be preferred? Aaron Liu (talk) 02:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is probably unnecessary, as the discussion would likely go on for that long in any case. BD2412 T 02:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added an alt blurb which is accurate even today as he was already released from the British prison, but the best time to post it would be when the U.S. judge actually approves the deal. And since that's supposed to happen within 24 hours, it should work out well. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well that's my bad. The blurb wording had be thinking otherwise. Probably should have taken a look for myself then. Thanks for the correction, I will strike my oppose and make it a support. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support the chains of government have been broken Lukt64 (talk) 02:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's neither a credible representation of how this happened, nor a meaningful reason to promote this story to the front page. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aaron Liu (talk) 17:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support but wait till judge approves it. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb as it more accurately describes what is happening. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kasperquickly does seem to be having some difficulty telling countries apart - see below for where he seems to be confused between the USA, Iraq, and Russia. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How would that make event more notable? BilboBeggins (talk) 17:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle as a very significant event. However I have no opinions on the timing of posting given what Andrew & Red-tailed hawk said. Too complicated for me to decide on that. S5A-0043Talk 10:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait (lean support) This is a positive development overall, but let's wait until he's actually released and makes a public statement since it's possible that there is the possibility of the deal falling apart or another State indicting him. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Pleads guilty and has agreed to some dubious terms as part of his release isn't that notable or historic. In addition that the linked article is a dumpster fire, the chilling effect of his conviction (and aforementioned plea deal terms) should have its own article and subsequently blurbed more than anything else.

Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Why should the aftermath have its own article? That's like splitting out Collapse of Smile again. I also don't see how that makes the article a dumpster fire, nor why you claim both that the terms aren't notable or historic and that the repercussions are apparently big enough to have their own article at the same time. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed on the contradiction. I'm forecasting, but I still believe the main article is too broad for ITN and if we were to blurb this event it should only be because it's significance is such that it would stand alone on it's own (which it might, and is partially what I'm arguing for here). My apologies if that is confusing.
    This is also a moot argument, consensus appears to have been reached and it'll likely be posted shortly. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not that notable. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Saying that doesn't make it true. I'd be impressed to see even one reliable source that's independent of Assange's fan-club that claims such a thing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Namely, which sources would you want to claim that? Would you also want these sources to say that they're sorry they ignored his situation for the past decade and decided to side with state power or do you also want them to say that Wikileaks did more for their jobs than they did themselves? Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 16:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think one can fairly say the press has ignored Assange's situation for a decade. It's been covered with reasonable regularity here in the UK. But I also don't think much of "this is a major event in western history - but all possible sources are in the pocket of the state and won't say so". It's definitely in the news - it's a pretty big story - but I don't feel it's of the towering importance people are making it out to be. It's a relatively quiet end to the whole business. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oneequalsequalsone, this makes it sound like your !vote is based on your personal political beliefs, which generally doesn't go very well on Wikipedia. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All humans have a bias in one way or another. Some feel baseball and ice hockey are important enough to be the top page news, others feel like the end of a decade old saga of the persecution of a reporter that dared to expose violations of human rights and civil liberties by various governments is more important Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 21:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A major event in the worldwide history of the freedom of the press? How so? He's taken a plea bargain and is being released. No new precedent is established, no great publication is made. This just doesn't have the effect that you're claiming it does. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Definitely noteworthy. Alexysun (talk) 17:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It has been going on for almost 15 years, and from time to time it reoccured in the news. So this is very appropriate to include this In the news section. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb, a major headline all over the world, and a continuing story, since the news will certainly continue to cover his coming and going from the CNMI, touchdown in Australia, and any comments he may have after that. This also raises the stakes for some kind of deal with Snowden, and other possible ramifications. BD2412 T 19:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment and oppose — This can now be properly discussed. Per Ad Orientem, I do not see how this is a major conclusion to the Assange saga. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support never thought i’d see this day happen. Good luck Assange Ion.want.uu (talk) 22:34, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's official - The judge sentenced him to time served and said he'll leave the court as a "free man" (Source 1, Source 2) Johndavies837 (talk) 02:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WaPo may be a better source. He'll also have Wikileaks destroy the Manning information. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • NYT argues that this could set a precedent for prosecuting journalists.

    The agreement means that for the first time in American history, gathering and publishing information the government considers secret has been successfully treated as a crime. This new precedent will send a threatening message to national security journalists, who may be chilled in how aggressively they do their jobs because they will see a greater risk of prosecution.

    But its reach is also limited, dodging a bigger threat. Because Mr. Assange agreed to a deal, he will not challenge the legitimacy of applying the Espionage Act to his actions. The outcome, then, averts the risk that the case might lead to a definitive Supreme Court ruling blessing prosecutors’ narrow interpretation of First Amendment press freedoms.

    Will try and add to article soon. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support as this has probably been the longest running case about a cornerstone of democracy in my lifetime. Wikipedia was able to move a step closer to its goal of making the sum of human knowledge accessible due to Assange's efforts. All readers should be invited to ponder how they feel about his plea and release. Connor Behan (talk) 02:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Article has some serious(?) citation overkill issues. That's not a Hard Wait, mind you. But it is something for at least one of you fixers to think about fixing, before or after it's posted (and possibly pictured). InedibleHulk (talk) 02:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No amount of findings that he has endured torture are enough for some people. Connor Behan (talk) 14:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are here to showcase quality articles and writing on current, analyzed events. We are not here to decide whether people have endured our own arbitrary standard of torture that we have not experienced. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While the definition of torture is not arbitrary, we are indeed not here to adjudicate that. What we are here to do is point out that !votes are not votes. I.e. that they count for less when they include claims that reliable sources reveal to be false or misleading. Connor Behan (talk) 21:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
nor treated unduly harshly by the US government; I mean the CIA was actively trying to assassinate him as recently as 2017 [1]. Curbon7 (talk) 22:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jeepers, this is 60s-style stuff. Bremps... 17:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are important global issues arising from the case, some of which affect us as Wikipedia editors directly. The most important is that the United States insists that its laws apply world-wide, even to foreign citizens who have never set foot in the United States. This is especially problematic in the the US ranks lower than any than any other Western country on the World Press Freedom Index. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It smokes Mexico, soundly beats Greece and narrowly outclasses Liberia (unless you're of the opinion that anywhere less "free" than the U.S. isn't "West enough"). InedibleHulk (talk) 18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia's own readership levels are not a reliable news source. Please stop citing them in these sorts of discussions. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lord Kelvin is featured on the main page today. The article quotes his maxim that "when you can measure what you are speaking about and express it in numbers you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind..." Andrew🐉(talk) 21:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, alt-blurb. It's a pretty significant event, with Assange being able to come out and meet friends/family etc after serving over five years in prison. This isn't some event where there is lots of news on a day then nothing the next.[2][3] — AP 499D25 (talk) 13:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt-blurb - I think the nominator here, Aaron Liu, lays out a good case that this latest development in the Julian Assange/Wikileaks story is deserving of ITN/blurb level status. The relevant article continues to be (for the most part) reliability updated. - 14:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trauma Novitiate (talk • contribs)
  • Marking as Ready Full disclosure: I am opposed to this nomination. However being objective, the discussion has been open long enough and there is a solid consensus in favor of posting. I found two CN tags on an otherwise solidly sourced article, neither of which are enough IMO to stop posting. This is good to go. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AO, I appreciate your input here. I am also opposed to the nomination, but I share your appraisal that it's both well-supported and of suitable quality. Thank you for being measured and constructive. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 24

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RD: Julio Foolio

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Article: Julio Foolio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Article updated
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Thriley (talk) 04:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Article is being discussed for deletion as of writing and the conversation thus far seems to indicate that it will be deleted. The images in the article are dubious, copyright-wise. Bremps... 04:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Susana Ruiz Cerutti

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Article: Susana Ruiz Cerutti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Nacion, Perfil
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Article updated
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Argentine former Minister of Foreign Affairs and Worship, ambassador to Switzerland and Canada --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Shifty Shellshock

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Article: Shifty Shellshock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Billboard, Deadline Hollywood
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Article updated
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American singer and frontman of Crazy Town. 240F:7A:6253:1:4CD4:EE72:33C0:82D7 (talk) 14:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is CN and OR tagged. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 08:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC) Support issues have been rectified. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 04:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support there are two cn tags but otherwise okay article. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I fixed the citation needed tags. Damien Linnane (talk) 11:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frederick Crews

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Article: Frederick Crews (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Article updated
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American essayist and literary critic. Death announced 24 June. Thriley (talk) 06:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - article is well-sourced and the citations are reliable. There does seem to be a lot of focus on Crews’s disavowal of Freud and psychoanalysis. I’m unsure whether it does or does not deserve a prominent place in the article. Also, as Classicwiki points out, the short section on “Honors and awards” lacks citations, but that should not necessarily keep this RD from being posted. The other citations in the article back up many of these already. If I have time, I’ll try to get to these. - Trauma Novitiate (talk) 14:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Stanley Cup

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Article: 2024 Stanley Cup Finals (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In ice hockey, the Florida Panthers defeat the Edmonton Oilers to win the Stanley Cup Finals (Conn Smythe Trophy winner Connor McDavid pictured). (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Article looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Article quality is good and the Stanley Cup Finals are posted every year. Hungry403 (talk) 08:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (oppose image) McDavid didn't even accept the award, and the article is about the Stanley cup championship not the opposing teams captain. Historically, the MVP has typically gone to a member of the winning team but given the incredibly competitive nature of this series I suppose it makes sense why the league would decide to deviate from the norm. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (oppose image) Article is good, topic is noteworthy enough to warrant being highlighted on the front page. McDavid winning the Conn Smythe is worth being mentioned, but the image used should be of a Flames player instead. RPH (talk) 15:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • McDavid or the Panthers logo It's always been standard to picture the MVP. We skipped the NBA one this year, but that's only because a beautiful lynx appeared. Unlike that cat, there's no good reason to arbitrarily highlight any Panther who didn't win an individual award (or a Calgary Flames player). InedibleHulk (talk) 16:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a Support Vote, in case that wasn't clear; the article looks typically fine. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, ideally with Aleksander Barkov as the photo, or perhaps Sergei Bobrovski. Barkov being the captain of the champion club should be the easiest to swing though. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:34, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 22:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. There is clear consensus to post the blurb text. I've posted without the photograph, since there still seems to be unresolved discussion on which photograph should be used (if any); additional conversation could be useful in attaining consensus specifically on that point. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 02:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I must insist (vainly or not), since the main or only reason for picturing the guy who didn't hold the Oilers to one or score a point at all that night is his general association with the Panthers, we use the free picture of him wearing a Panthers uniform, not whatever getup he has on there. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Late Oppose Like too many sport events, this is filled with jargon that make it unnaproachable to the average reader. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 03:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is probably biased but there is so much more jargon that could be added. Instead of what we have, we could have "In ice hockey, the Florida Panthers (captain Aleksander Barkov pictured) defeat the Edmonton Oilers to win the Stanley Cup Finals, after winning Game 7 at home, in regulation. Edmonton forward Connor McDavid won the Conn Smythe Trophy." Maybe we could omit the Oilers part but that is important information. LosAnaheimFan 5 (talk) 06:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This isn't the Simple English Wikipedia - if we wrote all of our articles solely in wording known to an average English-speaker, our articles would be nearly bare of content. Most sports articles inherently presume at least a degree of familiarity with the sport in question, and if there's no familiarity, there's plenty of Wikilinks to help establish it. Jargon is fine so long as it's not excessive, and this article certainly isn't. The Kip (contribs) 06:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's moot, but phrases like "scored backhand on a breakaway chance" (which is not wikilinked) are contrary to WP:MOS for Jargon. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 12:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Breakaway is Wikilinked now. Not in that instance, but in Game 3, where it appears first. I didn't link backhand, but if you can appreciate how the blade of a hockey stick has two sides and players usually shoot with one, I think you can deduce from there. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it's fine. I have no real knowledge of ice hockey at all, and I can understand the article without any problems. Usually issues arise when editors use sporting slang rather than jargon, and this one doesn't. Black Kite (talk) 07:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Filled was an exaggeration, much like your !vote at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/June 2024 § (Posted) 2024 NBA Finals. I suggest just identifying the individual cases for someone to improve.—Bagumba (talk) 20:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed. I know comparatively little about cricket but watering down the Indian Premier League article to the point of tedium because of novices like me isn't in the best interest of Wikipedia (I read that article and while I don't 100% understand everything in it I think it's fine. Same with articles on other, non-sports topics; there's a certain base level of topic-specific language that can't be avoided. This Stanley Cup article is solid. It paints a colorful picture of what happened in a short space. -Pats2017 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Aricell battery factory fire

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Article: Aricell battery factory fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire at a lithium battery factory in the South Korean city of Hwaseong kills at least 22 migrant workers, most of them Chinese nationals. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, NY Times, CNN, Al Jazeera
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Ainty Painty (talk) 17:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 23

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(Posted) RD: Dennis Deer

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Article: Dennis Deer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sergeant Cecil

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Article: Sergeant Cecil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Racing Post, At the Races
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Article updated
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British racehorse. Needs some inline citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support sure it needs some inline citations, otherwise article good enough to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Dagestan attack

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Article: 2024 Dagestan attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Dagestan, Russia, 27 people die in a coordinated attack. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Islamic terrorists stage a number of attacks across Dagestan, Russia, killing 21 people and injuring dozens of others
Alternative blurb II: ​ Islamic terrorists attack a number of locations, including a church, and a synagogue, across Dagestan, Russia, killing 21 people and injuring dozens of others
News source(s): CNN
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Article updated

* Wait Article needs expansion, but otherwise significant enough. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 01:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The blurb already rolled off the main page, replaced by the South Korea plant fire. Natg 19 (talk) 18:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 22

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(Posted) RD: Howard Bernstein

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Article: Howard Bernstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Manchester Evening News
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Article updated
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British politician. Manchester City Council chief executive. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article seems to be of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks alright now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Midori No Sora or @PrinceofPunjab, would you mind marking ready? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 08:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be clear - he's not a politician, he's a civil servant. This is not an elected position. Secretlondon (talk) 09:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Administrator note Removing the Ready tag. Looks like several honors are not sourced. That will need to be corrected before this can be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ad Orientem, take a look now and let me know if there are still issues. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 05:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Reviewers needed] RD: Kamala Hampana

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Article: Kamala Hampana (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deccan Herald, The Hindu
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Article updated
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Indian writer. Still needs citations. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment still not ready. Doubt it will be updated in time. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 05:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 21

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(Posted) RD: Margarita Voites

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Article: Margarita Voites (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Estonian Theatre
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Article updated
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Leading Estonian soprano who appeared internationally. All Estonian sources, that took some time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lothar Gall

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Article: Lothar Gall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
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Internationally known historian. Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


(Posted) RD: Romay Davis

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RD: Jamie Kellner

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American TV executive. Founded Fox and the WB. Article still needs some details and would be nice to have infobox with photo. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks okay to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The intro mentions ACME and running TBS till 2003, but these were not discussed in the main prose. What did he do from 2003 onwards? THere are also a couple of {cn} tags in the main prose. Please expand the coverage to the latter stages of his career and add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 04:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Spiridon Vangheli

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News source(s): Președinte.md, TVR Moldova
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Moldovan/Bessarabian/Romanian writer and prose writer. Known worldwide for his book Guguță. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.55.27.113 (talk) 02:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as Classicwiki said, article needs a lot of work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James K. Irving

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Article: James K. Irving (talk · history · tag)
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Canadian businessman and member of the Irving family in New Brunswick; last living son of K. C. Irving, his younger brother died a month prior.B3251(talk) 00:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Darren Lewis (American football)

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News source(s): ESPN
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American footballer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait - lacking inline citations. Staraction (talk | contribs) 23:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose College section have no source at all. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Keith Locke

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News source(s): Stuff, Radio NZ
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New Zealand politician ecologist. Died June 21, 2024. Kiwichris (talk) 02:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You've beaten me to it by 12 minutes, Kiwichris. Schwede66 02:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready article is in a very good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Cn tags have been sorted now. Kiwichris (talk) 04:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 20

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June 20, 2024 (2024-06-20) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports

[new, reviewers needed] RD: Lothar Gall

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Internationally known historian. --— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerda Arendt (talk • contribs) 16:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[new, reviewers needed] RD: Margarita Voites

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News source(s): Estonian Theatre
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Leading Estonian soprano who appeared internationally. All Estonian sources, that took some time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Reviewers needed] RD: Haviland Smith

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News source(s): The Washington Post
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Lots of issues with article, needs significant improvements before posting. Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • The status remains the same – needs significant improvements before posting.
Schwede66 07:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Reviewers needed] RD: Eberhard Hertel

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Article: Eberhard Hertel (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Mitteldeutscher Rundfunk
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German Volkstümliche Musik singer. Jmanlucas (talk) 02:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tamil Nadu alcohol poisoning

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Apart from there not being much support for this, the item has gone stale. Schwede66 06:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Tamil Nadu alcohol poisoning (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Tamil Nadu, India, at least 54 people have died in an alcohol poisoning incident. (Post)
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High number of fatalities warrant an ITN posting. | Mfarazbaig (talk) 18:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As an Indian myself, it is unfortunate for me to say that alcohol poisoning is common in India. While 50+ deaths may seem like a rare occurrence, it is unlikely to have any significant long-term impact. Case in point, it is not even the biggest news topic in India right now. In fact, it ranks behind the 2024 NEET controversy, Speaker election, Euros and the T20 World Cup in term of converge by the Indian media. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Large number of casualties (250+) and by all indications there appears to be significant political and community reactions from this incident (as opposed to other incidents). Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per PrinceofPunjab and Masem, it does not appear to have any sort of long term impact. LiamKorda 16:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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[Reviewers needed] RD: Dylon Powley

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News source(s): CTV News, Northern Tribune
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Former Canadian soccer player. Died in a motorcycle accident. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joshua Wade

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American serial killer. Article published 20 June, but appears to have died 14 June. Disclaimer: Nominating this article does not imply that I endorse or support this individual. It is just a recent death I read about.--Classicwiki (talk) 09:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Johnson (cricketer, born 1971)

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Former Indian cricketer. RIP. Ktin (talk) 16:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Brief career" Oppose — Iadmc♫talk  16:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What does "Brief career" mean? All that was accomplished in his career has been included. Unless you are referring to his career being brief and hence not important to post? If so -- I would request you have a look at the note above i.e. Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post. Ktin (talk) 04:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's not enough here to warrant his inclusion — Iadmc♫talk  06:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Taylor Wily

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Staraction (talk | contribs) 04:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I sourced selected filmography list. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:44, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved the last two tags. Also for those who don't know, he was more than an actor, as he was part of the first UFC fight broadcast, the first knock out, as well as an American who competed in sumo competitions in Japan. Also, he got local coverage in Hawaii during his high school football days as an up and coming player, and was the third heaviest high school football player in the country at the time. So he got fairly consistent news coverage throughout his life. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Russell Morash

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American television producer and director. Created/produced/directed The French Chef, The Victory Garden, This Old House, and The New Yankee Workshop. Thriley (talk) 03:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait there are two cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the new REF. --PFHLai (talk) 01:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted RD) Blurb/RD: Donald Sutherland

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Consensus against a blurb, and no consensus to WP:IAR regarding WP:ITNIMAGE and images being related to blurbs.—Bagumba (talk) 20:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Donald Sutherland (talk · history · tag)
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Blurb:  Canadian actor Donald Sutherland (pictured) dies at the age of 88 (Post)
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Natg 19 (talk) 17:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Article needs major ref work done as there are unsourced statements in career section, award section and a bit in the early life section. Might support blurb if article reflects his impact/how influential he was. Support blurb once article is up to shape. Defitnely notable and influential based on legacy section and per other arguments. Real shame. RIP President Snow. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Top of his field, the best actor that we had. His body of work tells you lot, his films are jewels of world cinema. And he was active to last years of his life, so it is decades-spanning career. Him dying is a very big news. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not much point in talking about a blurb until the sourcing is improved.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support RD sufficient quality now. Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb as RD proposer. A good/famous actor but does not rise to the level of a blurb. Will try to do more sourcing work later today. Natg 19 (talk) 19:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb simply having numerous films under their belt, nothing in the article indicates he was a great figure in the acting world (eg no legacy or impact) Masem (t) 19:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But he was a great figure in acting world, we know it. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's nowhere stated in the article. Simply being an actor with a lot of roles and even a few Oscar's isn't enough, that's handwaving. We need an indepth coverage to explain why he has a legacy or impact from his career. — Masem (t) 20:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He is a brand, it's as simple as that.
    The point of blurbing deaths of famous people is to inform that person known worldwide died, like in case of Sydney Poitier, Henry Kissinger, Jiang Zemin, the Queen.
    We blurbed former Greece King, surely we can blurb Sutherland? BilboBeggins (talk) 20:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The RD line serves that purpose. Blurbs are reserved for cases where the death has draw attention or in the case or great figures that represent transformative ppl on their field — Masem (t) 21:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ironically, Sutherland did not win an Oscar, and actually won few traditional awards. He is noted as one of the "best without an Oscar", though he got an honorary one in 2017. Natg 19 (talk) 23:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Ready for the usual reason. Oppose blurb on merits. Sutherland was a good and well-known actor, but not in the top tier of the profession. Not that long ago the community turned down Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland, two giants from the golden age of Hollywood. I'm interpreting that as setting a very high bar for blurbs for actors. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Two giants were turned down wrongly, it's bad to refer to wrong decisions.
    He passes Sidney Poitier threshold and is bigger than Betty White whom we blurbed. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Betty White was a bad post because it was based on popularity. Poitier has a significant impact on Hollywood due to his acting skills and race, which he extended after his career, creating a clear legacy. There is not really anything to say the same for D. Sutherland here, which is needed to post a blurb — Masem (t) 21:32, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Poitier was famous for lead roles in films that were nominated for Oscar in important categories or won. Poitier had activism, Sutherland was active in anti-Vietnam war movement.
    They both won honorary Oscars.
    But unlike Poitier, who in his last thirty or thirty five years only had one prominent role in Jackal, Sutherland had dozens of them. Pride and Prejudice, Six degrees of separation, Cold mountain, and I am listing only Oscar nommed films. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Correct. Hollywood actors are known figures, but they're still just actors, and we shouldn't overstate their world impact. Sutherland is worthy of being listed on the front page as RD but not with a blurb as a top story. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb per above and as a matter of principle This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The irony here, of course, is that we almost certainly not going to blurb Sutherland, a very famous and widely loved actor, but we have just blurbed Mays, someone about which the vast majority of the planet would say "who?". (That's not a comment on Americentrism by the way, we have blurbed two non-American sportspeople this year as well). We really do need to think about how illogical this process is. Black Kite (talk) 22:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    100% agreement although I don't accept it as a foregone conclusion based on several votes. If several days are needed to improve the article's citations and make his legacy clearer, we should allow that, but his death is major news and that's the entire point of ITN. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I also thought about this. Why we blurbed Mays, who has 30 wikipages, Shane Warne, who had 30 wiki pages at the moment of his death, but we didn't blurb Vangelis, we didn't blurb Christopher Plummer (in my opinion we should jave blurbed him).
    Donald Sutherland has 80 wiki pages, he is household name worldwide. BilboBeggins (talk) 23:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I definitely feel that this process is odd and unintuitive, so either we should get rid of death blurbs altogether, or codify the process to which one gets a death blurb. Currently, it is seems arbitrary and based on "transcendence" and "significant impact", whatever that actually means. I personally am biased in favor of sportspeople, but there needs to be a way to eliminate personal biases from ITN. Natg 19 (talk) 23:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ITN is not about fame or popularity. Blurbs should be for great figures with articles that are some of our best content, even if the person is obscure or not well know outside their field. Otherwise when we use fame or name recognition, ITN blurbs favor western people and those in highly public area like politics or entertainment. We have to fight that bias by not considered fame or obscurity as long as the death is reported by multiple sources and the article respects our best work to be featured on the main page. — Masem (t) 00:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But this is my biggest issue though, what makes someone a "great figure"? Some here would argue that Sutherland is. Not sure how you define "best content" either. Does the article have be a GA or FA? Natg 19 (talk) 02:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The two main factors specified on WP:ITN are a) the quality of the article, including material added or updated to reflect the recent event, and b) the general significance of the developments. The article has already been significantly improved and it continues to improve. Two days ago, it had an ORES predicted quality of C (3.74), but it's now B (3.88). There are 80 language links on the article. It's front page news on Le Monde (French), The Times of India (Indian English), and The Asahi Shimbun (Japanese). That is not indicative of Western bias. It shouldn't be up to anyone here to overrule the news to decide he's not a "great figure". It's major news and replacing an old news item such as the NBA finals with a blurb about Donald Sutherland's death would significantly improve the main page. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 02:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:ITNRDBLURB is the criteria for RD blurbs, which are in addition to the main ITN criteria we don't have to use fame, popularity, role count, or other factors, we consider what their impact was in their field, and honestly, there is nothing in our article that demonstrates that. That type of content and sourcing from secondary RSes is how we determine a "great figure", and not simply by how much coverage an RD gets. — Masem (t) 03:20, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My points about the international significance and coverage remain valid. I'm not arguing based on fame, popularity, or role count, so I'm not sure why you're mentioning those. The selective approach often taken here towards recent deaths reads as elitist and disregards the impact of films and television on culture. Discounting his role in M*A*S*H which had a major impact on views of war and authority, his performance in Ordinary People, and his other contributions seems shortsighted. As to his impact on the field, he was honored with an honorary Academy Award for lifetime achievement in 2017. The Academy doesn't award those to any old schlub that's famous. His recent death is newsworthy and would serve as a more compelling current use of the ITN blurbs than several entries currently featured. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 05:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    we consider what their impact was in their field, and honestly, there is nothing in our article that demonstrates that Sutherland had a massive impact in the field of cinema, as is indicated by news publications worldwide prominently reporting on his death. The fact that our article wrongly doesn't reflect that point doesn't mean anything (cf. WP:ARTN). voorts (talk/contributions) 08:40, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For purpose of what ITN is and that blurb RDs are meant to be exceptions from the rule, and that blurbed items are supposed to reflect the best of WP's work, the failure of the article to be properly sourced as a BLP and the lack of content from secondary sources on how he impacted the industry or left a legacy in clear format is a major roadblock in considering this as an a blurb. International coverage US inly a indicator if a famous name, unkess all that coverage speaks to his legacy and not simply talking about his death or reprintimg wire stories. — Masem (t) 09:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I will add that since this ITN was started a Legacy section has been added which starts bring this more in line with demonstrating"great figure". But it is still miles away in terms of sourcing to be even included as an RD. — Masem (t) 11:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And Mays certainly did not deserve a blurb as I’ve repeatedly said This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. The New York Times has not one, not two, but three features about him on their front page right now. The Canadian The Globe and Mail has him featured at the top of their front page. The BBC has him featured top left. The man is a giant, one of the most famous Canadian actors of any age. I don't know if it's a bias disfavoring entertainment figures, Canadians, or both, but not doing a blurb would be doubling down on previous bad decisions. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Not remotely of the level of significance for a blurb. I was pleasantly surprised earlier, when I saw that he was nominated for RD only, but clearly I raised my hopes too soon. Just to be clear, being a famous person that people have heard of does not mean you're automatically blurbed. Blurbs are for the exceptional few who transcend all others.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Receiving broad coverage at most news sources, and these stories about his career and death are the most-read stories at those sources. Sutherland was a household name, widely respected and richly honored. While the current ITN selection process is biased, public interest is an inherent factor is newsworthiness. To be useful, ITN must grasp that. Other-language ITNs do a much better job of this. Dr Fell (talk) 00:19, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, weak oppose blurb Big hunger games fan but unfortunately not notable for blurb (I would argue he's more notable then the locked baseball player, though.....) Sharrdx (talk) 01:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb a popular actor but he was not on the top of his field. LiamKorda 03:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He was top of his field. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    His field was acting. Meryl Streep and Daniel Day Lewis are the toppers in this field but he isn't. LiamKorda 10:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That of course is an entirely subjective opinion. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A non-subjective opinion held by editors who you want to silence. Abductive (reasoning) 19:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's why we need the coverage of why reliable, secondary sources consider a person to be top of their field, which must be present in the article, as to avoid the handwaving either way that a person does or doesn't deserve a blurb. We want to take editors' personal options and IHATEIT/ILIKEIT type arguments (which are occurring even in this blurb discuss) out of the picture and focus on if we are providing the reader the right justification for a blurb. — Masem (t) 21:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Photo RD Only He was certainly one of Canada's oldest best actors, but far enough from the top of any easily Googlable list. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You know we don't do photo RDs. He was top Canadian actor. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And you know what Keanu Reeves, Rachel McAdams, Jim Carrey, Sarah Polley, the Trailer Park Boys, Evangeline Lily and Bret Hart say about making our dreams a reality. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article is tagged as needing more sources. Not what we need for ITN— Iadmc♫talk  05:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    OK the More Sources tag has gone as more have been added. Weak Support now — Iadmc♫talk  07:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb per Bilbo Beggins, Daniel Quinlan and Dr Fell, who all make excellent points. Jusdafax (talk) 06:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, blurbs should be reserved for those people whose deaths and/or funerals could support a stand-alone article. Abductive (reasoning) 06:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not the only reason for the blurbs. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I too still stand by this argument. I have voted to support death blurbs on an WP:ILIKEIT basis before, but I really think these articles are only suitable for blurbing if we have at least an extensive section on the individual's death. That is the work we are featuring in these situations. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That would mean we blurb barely notable people who die in really odd ways and get a long death section in their article, and I don't think that's what you all really want, but please correct me if I'm wrong. voorts (talk/contributions) 08:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That doesn't happen. "Death" does not mean "cause of death", instead it is about our response to the event of a famous person dying. Abductive (reasoning) 09:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It does actually include the cause of death. An unfortunate accident or high-profile murder makes something much more likely to blurb. It's not like barely-notable people frequently die by rube-goldberg machine that needs two paragraphs to explain. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Show me a time when that caused a user to nominate someone for a blurb. Abductive (reasoning) 19:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not anywhere in ITN guidelines at all. That would lead to editors gaming the system to fill a death article with reaction kudzu just to justify that article and a blurb. Further, simply having a legit standalone evdeath article would not necessarily be sufficient if the person simply dies of old age. For example, we know Jimmy Carter is close. As a former US president he will likely have a state funeral and all that for a standalone, but whether he would be blurbed just for that is unckearm — Masem (t) 09:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're saying that it would motivate ITN editors to actually update and expand upon the articles they nominate? I'm not seeing the problem there. If the additions are low-quality, the blurb gets rejected for that reason. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Expanding a proper article with proper encyclopedic content would be reasonable. What I fear are editors, being told a requirement for an RD urn is a separate article about their death (which is not in our guidelines) will create an article with dozens of reaction statements from any possible reliable source to demonstrare the death was significant, with actually writing towards why the person should be taken as one of the greats — Masem (t) 12:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a strawman argument. Abductive (reasoning) 19:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We know you think Jimmy Carter is close. How many blurb arguments has this page seen since you started saying so? 30? 50? Give it a rest, please. He's a biographically living person. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    All I'm saying is that having a separate death article is not any guaranty of having a death blurb, nor a requirement for a blurb — Masem (t) 12:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If that was all you're saying, I wouldn't be here. Anyway, after checking to see when you started, I see it's not really a "you problem"; others began earlier and have followed since. Sorry for that. Still, a bit morbid a practice, generally. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, Oppose blurb Certainly RD worthy but I don't think he quite made the blurb -worthy level. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb on notability per BilboBeggins and Dr Fell. Renewal6 (talk) 11:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb He is evidently and significantly more famous than Willy Mays and the rest. Citing his appearances in well-known movies from M*A*S*H to the Hunger Games is superfluous busywork. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You will notice that no admin has even posted him to the RD ticker. And the rapid posting and lack of opposition to Willy Mays speaks for itself. Abductive (reasoning) 19:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Always with the negative waves..." Andrew🐉(talk) 20:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Accolades section should probably be orange tagged, several missing references to his nominations and awards. Oppose blurb An actor whose had a successful career doesn't rise to the level of ITN mention. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb He was certainly not the most prominent person on his field. Also, I opposed Willie Mays's blurb because I knew that the next non-american death blurb will have people cite his blurb as a reason to push their candidate articles. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb A legendary actor, but not quite to the extent of one that we would blurb. The “but Willie Mays!!!” naysayers are silly. The Kip (contribs) 18:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality, support RD, weak support blurb when ready per Daniel Quinlan. Article still has way too many citation needed tags. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone please close this? It's already in ITN under RD — Iadmc♫talk  06:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion is ongoing about whether or not to have a blurb. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 06:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I see. Got it — Iadmc♫talk  06:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb and photo it's ok just to have an honourable mention as now. Blurb and photo not necessary — Iadmc♫talk  06:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah but it softens the blow to see a photo for the many who wanted a blurb and it didn’t reach consensus to blurb… Trauma Novitiate (talk) 20:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Post-posting comment) I weakly support a stronger mention than the RD list, mainly because there already is a RD blurb, but that blurb by itself illustrates why "most prominent person in the field" is a poor criterion. Baseball has practically no following outside US, Canada and Japan. Hence, I would reckon a similar amount of people is familiar with both Donald Sutherland and Willie Mays. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Eric Roberts has been seen by far more people than Willie Mays has, even though you very likely don't know who this is. Daß Wölf 16:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Far more amount of people are familiar with Donald Sutherland than Willie Mays. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Never heard of Mays. Sutherland is internationally known and acclaimed — Iadmc♫talk  06:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. In my opinion, this piece by Guardian shows that he was transformative, revered and top of the field [5]. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Iberian lynx

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Article: Iberian lynx (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The iberian lynx is reclassified from endangered to vulnerable on the IUCN Red List. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Reuters CBS The Guardian
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This isn't usually what I see in ITNC, but I think it could be interesting. Inserted more links to news sources to demonstrate that the topic is relevant in the news. Article may need to be updated more with news-relevant information. Staraction (talk | contribs) 15:07, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose while it is a good and positive news, I do not think it a something that is blurbworthy. I would have supported it if it was a news about the cat's extinction (fortunately it isn't). PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support after thinking bout it a bit and reading other users' comments, I have changed my mind. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as per above, but sounds like a good dyk! Sharrdx (talk) 15:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For DYK, the article would have to be expanded fivefold in one week (not possible due to its size) or promoted to GA, so that isn't likely to happen right now. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:06, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose for this specific case which just doesn't rise to the level of blurbworthiness, but I would be more than happy to see more positive news like this one! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Edit: Support on principle, to support having more positive conservation news on the encyclopedia's main page. Not everything has to be politics and disasters to be blurbworthy. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 00:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose per PrinceofPunjab and Chaotic Enby. Even though it is a positive news and make me happy to read it, I am of the opinion that it is not main page worthy. Also because it is not a popular animal or Species. LiamKorda 16:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Very appropriate for encyclopedia to include this on front page. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:12, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Important and major conservation news. The species was almost extinct not long ago. It's not often that nature topics are on the main page. --Mika1h (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Mika1h. Finally. Bremps... 00:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is just the kind of good news story INT needs and the article is well written and sourced— Iadmc♫talk  06:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, a reclassification "on paper" with no lasting impact. Abductive (reasoning) 06:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This “paper” does not aim to have an impact, but the importance is that this reclassification is the confirmation of a reality, which is what is being debated if it is ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It certainly does, the humans who wrote the report were probably happy, maybe they took their spouses out to dinner. But this is just minor news of no lasting impact. Abductive (reasoning) 09:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Good news, and a decent article for us to feature. I would wonder if a move into "Near-Threatened" would be more appropriate for a feature than a move from "Endangered" to "Vulnerable." I hope to see more stories like this nominated, as it's a great way for us to feature our animal articles in ITN. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This has been very big news in Spain and Portugal, where the lynx is basically the de facto symbol of environmental conservation. Lynx numbers aren't just growing, they're also spreading out to different areas than the ones they were reintroduced to. It's raised conversations about other areas of conservation, including rabbits, the main source of food for the lynx, which are currently suffering from a disease outbreak. It even has political relevance, as the destruction of the lynx was started in the Francoist period; debates on the legacy of Francoism are a huge issue in Spanish politics right now. I just can't understand the argument that this has "no lasting impact". --Grnrchst (talk) 12:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've added this information re. hunting, and Franco's influence, to the article. Thanks for pointing it out! Staraction (talk | contribs) 14:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Personally the "positive news" arguments are unproductive, and, IMO, irrelevant. To this end, I was somewhat of the belief of opposing this as an administrative change (there are several endangered tiers, this is only between two adjacent ones, but Grnrchst's argument on the impact is convincing, so I'm also going to go support, even if the story is somewhat not just about the relisting itself. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Posted – robertsky (talk) 15:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support something to dilute the constant deaths spam. me likey Kasperquickly (talk) 17:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support Article looks good and I personally find any species on the brink of extinction blurb worthy. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A "vulnerable" species is three IUCN levels away from the brink of extinction. That's not a post-posting oppose or anything, as a good-looking animal article (especially with fur) is a sight for sore eyes. Just a reminder. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Kiril Simeonovski and BilboBeggins. This is what encyclopedic news looks like. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hear, hear! Yakikaki (talk) 21:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Ashin Munindabhivamsa

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Article: Ashin Munindabhivamsa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Burmese
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(Posted) RD: George M. Woodwell

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Article: George M. Woodwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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American ecologist. Founder of the Woodwell Climate Research Center. Death announced 19 June. Thriley (talk) 19:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Whole uncited paragraphs. Needs some work before getting posted. More independent references needed. Bremps... 00:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose whole article is weirdly written, there are some primary sources and needs a lot of work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Vandalism of Stonehenge

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Good faith nomination, however consensus to post will not develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Vandalism of Stonehenge (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The prehistoric Stonehenge is vandalized by Just Stop Oil climate protesters. (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post The Guardian
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RD: Arvind

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Article: Arvind (computer scientist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MIT News
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MIT computer science faculty for over 50 years. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 18:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are multiple cn tags and also some sources are primary in nature. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Hajj disaster

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Article: 2024 Hajj disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 922 pilgrims died due to extreme heat in Mecca, Saudi Arabia during the Hajj (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Saudi Arabia, at least 900 people die due to extreme heat during the Hajj
Alternative blurb II: ​ Over one thousand pilgrims die due to extreme heat in Mecca, Saudi Arabia during the Hajj
News source(s): France24 AP
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Afif Brika1 (talk) 16:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Gerhard Klingenberg

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Article: Gerhard Klingenberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Burgtheater + several in German papers
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Great Austrian actor, stage director, film director, manager of Burgtheater, - had 2 sentences of an article which was up for deletion upon his death. Much improved by many actually. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment filmography section depends almost entirely on a single source called "Filmportal", is it a reliable source or is it an German equivalent of IMDb ? PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It has been treated reliable in other articles. Also: these are films that exist, vs. biographical facts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ps: also, none of the obits even mentions this part of his career, - we could shorten it if that helps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Daniel Patrick Reilly

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Article: Daniel Patrick Reilly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Worcester Telegram & Gazette
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American prelate of the Roman Catholic Church.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:07, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support now that the allegations levied against him have been added to the lede. Icky person, but that wouldn't be a policy-based reason for opposing. Bremps... 21:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: James Chance

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Article: James Chance (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NME, Variety, Rolling Stone
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American saxophonist. 240F:7A:6253:1:C0E7:E4A8:1532:6307 (talk) 18:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are several cn tags and an orange tag. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Allan Saxe

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Article: Allan Saxe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Dallas Morning News
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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sara Facio

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Article: Sara Facio (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): La Nacion
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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Blurb/RD: Willie Mays

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Article: Willie Mays (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American baseball player Willie Mays (pictured) dies at the age of 93 (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle
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Sey hey. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fail to see how this is anything other than Americentrism. There is no way a blurb would be posted for an Indian cricketer for example. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shane Warne's death in 2022 was posted. PeteF16 (talk) 04:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Warne died unexpectedly at the age of 52. He was still a very public figure up until his death. HiLo48 (talk) 05:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And he wasn't Indian or European. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He was Anglo-Saxon, not the best example. _-_Alsor (talk) 05:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a good example of anyone, regardless of age, ethnicity or sexual experience, who was blurbed for dying after playing cricket well. Same niche, but polar opposite, like wolves and foxes. What's good for one batsman, and all that. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He was not an Anglo-Saxon. He was an Australian. I agree with The C of E below that it's not constructive to make this a race thing - but also, that's an absolutely ludicrous way to regard his ethnicity. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The existing bias in ITN in favor of certain countries is an unquestionable truism that has often been the subject of debate. This occasion was not going to be an exception. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It wouldn’t surprise me if Tendulkar’s blurbed when he dies. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And as a white Englishman, I'd be delighted to support blurbing him when the time comes. But can we please not make this a race thing? The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tendulkar's retirement was posted, which is exceedingly rare, and I have no doubt that when he dies, he would deserve an ITN blurb. [6] -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:52, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Americentrism can be a thing sometimes, but we actually blurbed the death of a Kenyan athlete only in February, and a German footballer in January. Black Kite (talk) 10:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think anyone else thinks those are the criteria. If you want to make it so that only servign heads of state or people who die in unexpected ways get blurbs, you should propose that in the appropriate place. Saying it here as though it's already accepted won't make it true. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, but surprised that Mays got blurbed so quickly, and Jerry West had lengthy discussion and did not make it. Natg 19 (talk) 04:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As good as West was as a basketball player, Mays was better as a baseball player (though West’s accomplishments as a GM & his status as the inspiration for the NBA’s logo were other arguments that could’ve led to him being blurbed if there’d been enough support). Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Pull because I remember how it felt to have Gordie Howe's posthumous picture "torn away" from "us", but agree with the sentiment; we're too late. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull blurb per Orbital. He may have been a baseball legend, but he is not a globally notorious figure and it is a sport whose popularity is very local. Far from being comparable to Maradona or Pelé. And let's leave emotions aside, this blurb should be pulled by objective criteria. _-_Alsor (talk) 05:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In terms of how good each player was at playing his sport, he’s easily comparable to Maradona or Pelé. Beckenbauer was blurbed & I’d never heard of him before his death. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is notoriety really the thing you want to focus on here? While baseball is a sport with a deeply parochial region of interest, it's still a very big deal, and Mays was one of the biggest names within it, not just in his own day but throughout its history. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Mays's death is currently the lead story in the New York Times, and has been covered in depth by the BBC, the Guardian, and many other international publications. His significance was derived from baseball but extended well beyond it--the fact that a Black player, so soon after integration, was acknowledged as the best in the game was as hugely important. blameless 05:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support He has a good argument for being the greatest baseball player ever. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-Posting Support. Clearly and obviously one of the most influential figures in baseball history - no doubt in the top 4 with Aaron, Robinson, and Ruth, in no order. The only of that group of three to die during the existence of ITN was Aaron, who was blurbed. I see know reason why Mays should not get a blurb. Baseball is substantially globally popular enough to justify us posting two deaths from its ranks as blurbs. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb third in career WAR, and everyone around him is either dead or a steroid user. Clearly the greatest baseball player of his generation. However, I don't understand why we were so quick to blurb Willie Mays yet just as quick to shut down Jerry West's blurb nomination, when basketball is the more popular and well-known sport globally. Jerry West might not have been in the top 3 players ever, but we didn't blurb Bill Russell either and he was. NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A key difference is the timing of the nomination. Jerry West's was posted at 14:04 UTC while this one was posted at 01:00. This time zone difference skews the demographic of the voters. And this is very much a voting process in which early momentum is decisive. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes Europe isn't awake. We just don't play baseball here, nobody has heard of this guy. Secretlondon (talk) 10:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm a Brit who barely follows sports over here, much less in the USA, and I'd heard of him despite him being about two generations older than me. His death is front-page news on the BBC. As I said below, I do think this process was rushed, but that's not the same as no-one having heard of one of the all-time most famous, successful, and acclaimed batters in the sport. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Unless you live in the Netherlands, Italy, France, Spain, England, Czechia, etc. A player just made the majors after having played Euro ball as a prospect. It's absolutely played there. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think you're underestimating just how much more dominant Willie Mays was in baseball than Jerry West was in basketball. According to basketball reference, there has been a total of 5209 players in NBA and ABA history. VORP and box plus-minus weren't calculated during West's time, so the closest comprehensive stat we have is win shares where West ranks 24th all time. On the other hand, there have been 23,235 Major league baseball players. Willie Mays ranks as the third greatest batter of all time according to bWAR and fWAR.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 09:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support blurb and oppose pull - but this was rushed. There's no need to sprint something like this. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post blurb support and Oppose pull Yes it was done quick, but the article is in good shape and he is a major figure within the sport so I would have supported the blurb had I seen before posting. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not an internationally known figure. I have no idea why this person is given a blurb and a photo. Secretlondon (talk) 10:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment And William Anders? ArionStar (talk) 13:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Anders article shows very little impact or legacy outside being the photograph of the famous photo. One such accomplishment it not what leads to a great figure, which Mays' article has in spades. — Masem (t) 14:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post blurb support An internationally-known sports figure. Not sure why there's supposed to be a penalty for being an American player. Does that mean we should ban Wikipedia (or the Internet) since both come from there as well? CoatCheck (talk) 14:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull blurb per Orbital. Also, I didn't like the way this was posted to main page with just about 10 vote when it is clear that death blurb are also contentious topics and should only be posted after a lengthy discussion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull blurb, not internationally known, and the posting was extremely rushed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support pull, this should've only been featured in recent deaths. In the grand scheme of things, featuring sports ball athletes seems to be a waste of space. 68.118.253.248 (talk) 17:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose pull/let's all find something better to do. I really do not get why there is such strong opposition to posting blurbs for North American sports people (Howe, Russell, etc.). Can anyone say with a straight face those individuals were not major figures in their field? ~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some people are so concerned with avoiding the appearance of Americentrism that they circle around into anti-Americanism as a whole. The Kip (contribs) 18:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The result is basically a much lower notability bar for British public figures than for public figures from America (or other countries). Feels like there's some lingering desire to reclaim their status as #1 global cultural exporter. LocoTacoFever (talk) 18:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post blurb support, oppose pull. I'm generally anti-death blurb, and not a baseball fan, but Mays was one of the most legendary sporting figures of the 20th century - closer to a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or a Maradona than to a Jerry West. LocoTacoFever (talk) 17:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In all honesty, neither of those are a good metric for a DB either; the manner and direct impact of their deaths were not significant as events, unless they get like, assassinated, or something This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-support blurb – A reminder that WP:ITNATA applies and arguing that a figure is not important outside of their home country (which is not true for Mays, as baseball is played internationally) is to be avoided. SounderBruce 19:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It really isn't. Secretlondon (talk) 21:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-support blurb, per above logic and he's one of the last great baseball players from the 1950s-1960s generation of American sports heroes. Surprised and glad to see the quick support for Mays compared to the strange recent lack of support for one of the first three people in the history of humanity to escape Earth's gravity and go to the Moon! Randy Kryn (talk) 22:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Blurb/RD: Noam Chomsky

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Rumors of his death have been greatly exaggerated. His wife says he's alive.[7] – Muboshgu (talk) 20:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Noam Chomsky (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American philosopher and linguist Noam Chomsky (pictured) dies at the age of 95 (Post)
News source(s): New Statesman (retracted)
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Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There seems to be some conflicting reports that he died. There's no official confirmation (at least that I know) that he passed away. Should it be official, I'd 100% support blurb as he was highly influential and his article is good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article at present does not state that he has died. I am seeing that at least one report that he has died has been published, and I know that he had a stroke a few days ago. But we can't blurb this (or even consider an RD) if our own article doesn't actually say that he died. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 19:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The New Statesman is a generally reliable source. BD2412 T 19:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is more about there's no official confirmation of his passing. Some articles have jumped the boat without any reliable word of his passing. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that The New Statesman is very unlikely to get this wrong. But if it's the only source reporting the death... I would be cautious, since this one would expect this sort of thing to be covered everywhere. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 19:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Along those lines, an ABC News journalist seems to be reporting that Chomsky has not yet died, per Chomsky's wife. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 20:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I would support a blurb if he died. An absolute titan of the field of linguistics in a way that even helped to shape the modern field of computer science. And then there's also his political activism and political writings, which were influential in the West. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 19:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support blurb if true, extremely influential. Wait for confirmed confirmation before posting Sharrdx (talk) 19:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If he really had died, it would have been in far more and better sources than New Statesman. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted RD) Blurb/RD: Anouk Aimée

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Article: Anouk Aimée (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  French actress Anouk Aimée dies at the age of 92 (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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French film actress.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The article quality is not main-page worthy as of this comment. There are two uncited statements, one in Personal life, one ending in "critical and box-office disaster." The filmography needs citations as well. After those issues are patched up, we should be good to post. Bremps... 13:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, Netural on Blurb She was/is quite a popular actress who had won a lot of big awards but would understand not posting it as an blurb. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, being popular and winning awards doesn't equate to being transformative in the field. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Legalization of same-sex marriage in Thailand

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Article: Recognition of same-sex unions in Thailand (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thailand's Senate passes a marriage equality bill that will legalize same-sex marriage in the country, becoming the first Southeast Asian nation to do so. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Thailand becomes the first Southeast Asian nation to allow same-sex marriage.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Thailand's parliament passes a bill to recognise same-sex marriage.
News source(s): CNN
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Tofusaurus (talk) 10:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article quality is okay. I was going to vote "wait", but on second thought the news will probably be stale by then. Bremps... 13:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support a very significant news regarding the LGBTQ+ community in Asia. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Based upon recent precedence, I have to repeat what I said last time in opposing. Its nothing new, countries have changed that law all the time. Its not like its some big breakthrough. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 14:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The C of E I'd argue this is fairly different than the Greece case. Greece was in an area of the world (Europe) where same-sex marriage was already legal in many nearby countries. The only country anywhere near Thailand which has legalized same-sex marriage was Taiwan, which is a special case for many reasons. If you want to look at it from a population standpoint, Thailand has 6 times as many people as Greece, which means it has a larger population than the United Kingdom. I'd argue any country legalizing same-sex marriage with that large of a population is significant. DNVIC (talk) 15:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Legalising same sex marriage s is bigger story in Greece than in Thailand. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Given ITN blurbs getting coverage for multiple days, I don't see this having nearly enough exposure and headline coverage to be considered for inclusion. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability and updated content in the article. This is the first country in Asia to pass such a law and the second or third to legalize (Taiwan and Nepal both did so through courts and legality in Nepal is incomplete)—a landmark event. And the article is well written and structured.~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 16:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, article looks sufficient. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's the first in the region and as far as I can tell the first in Asia to happen fully via legislation, without judicial compulsion. It's unique and notable in that way. TheSavageNorwegian 16:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am fine with waiting for royal ascent btw, but waiting till the effective date may make it less of a news item. TheSavageNorwegian 21:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. LiamKorda 17:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support It’s the first Asian country to do so legislatively without judicial prompting, and even though it’s the third Asian country to do so, it’s still relatively new for Asia compared to Europe. And it is the first Southeast Asian country to do so.-TenorTwelve (talk) 18:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until royal assent is given. The bill has not yet been approved, though it is widely expected to gain approval from Thailand's king. Waiting would also allow something like Thailand legalizes same-sex marriage, becoming the first Southeast Asian country to do so to be out blurb; the current wording to shoehorn in the Thai Senate comes across as a bit awkward, but is necessary because same-sex marriage legislation has not yet received executive approval. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 19:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Nothing that is that surprising occured. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose there's a lot more countries that can and probably will legally recognise homosexual marriages and the last example wasn't posted either. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb, wait until royal assent as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt2 since the first two make it sound like it still needs to get through the lower house This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 once royal assent is given. Clearly significant for the whole region. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 11:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on significance, but I too would suggest only blurbing this when the law actually comes into effect. This of course gives us more time to further improve the article too. It looks fine for the main page, but it can definitely be better. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. We aren't going to post every single country that does this.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose do we really need to post every single instance of this? I understand doing it for Taiwan since they where the first Asian country to do so, but this is getting a little pedantic, next up we'll have "the first eastern southeastern Asian country to legalize same sex marriage" Scu ba (talk) 17:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If China somehow legalized same-sex marriage tomorrow, I think it would be bizarre to oppose it because Taiwan beat it to "first Asian country to legalize" status. Bremps... 19:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Though these articles get nominated fairly frequently, we rarely actually feature them. I don't think the "every single instance" argument works here, as no one is arguing we would/will also feature Laos/Vietnam/Cambodia/Myanmar/Bangladesh/Malaysia/Singapore when those make changes in their queer rights laws. This is a first in the region, and an influential country with an enormous population to boot. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Asia is a large continent, and very culturally diverse. You can argue Taiwan has already legalized it, and so this isn't notable, but Southeast Asia is a completely different and unique culture than East Asia, and Taiwan is an even weirder case within East Asia due to its relationship with China. For context, the distance between Taipei and Bangkok is 2500 km, approximately the same distance between London and Istanbul. The fact is, a country has legalized gay marriage without any other country within its cultural neighborhood legalizing it, which is very unprecedented, and thus notable. DNVIC (talk) 21:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question Could someone explain to me why it isn't merely notable on its own for a country to legalize gay marriage? It's **the** big-ticket gay rights law. We're not talking something more niche like banning gay panic defense, or allowing hospital visitation. It's the most newsworthy, landmark, queer event that can happen to a country, it's only ever going to happen once per country, and it makes the news each time it happens. TheSavageNorwegian 21:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The consensus, with exceptions, has been that gay marriage legalization is newsworthy This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:25, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This has been huge news and is significant for the region of Southeast Asia. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted ALT2. There is consensus to post this. This would be even clearer if royal assent had been given yet, which some !voters specifically mentioned. Nonetheless, this is about to fall off this page and at ITN, it will the the oldest item (alongside Willie Mays), so will not be on the main page for long. Schwede66 03:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 17

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RD: Ricardo M. Urbina

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Article: Ricardo M. Urbina (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Will need to be updated. In particular, article does not mention his track career at all. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 NBA Finals

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Article: 2024 NBA Finals (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In basketball, the Boston Celtics defeat the Dallas Mavericks to win the NBA Finals. (Finals MVP Jaylen Brown pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In basketball, the Boston Celtics defeat the Dallas Mavericks to win the NBA Finals with Jaylen Brown winning the Finals MVP (pictured).
News source(s): NBA, CBS
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Article updated
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I would wait until the article looks somewhat updated. I will update blurb/image when FMVP is announced. Original blurb basically follows last year's wording/format. Altblurb to bring info out of parenthetical. Feel free to adjust. It is that time of the year when a lot of major sporting events are occurring. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I have went through and updated the article a bit more. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support although the prose is on the shorter side, article still in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article has some prose but not enough. LiamKorda 17:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's close to 2,000 words of prose. How much is necessary? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Everything seems up to par. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 21:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I wouldn't be opposed to more fleshing out, but it's in decent shape considering the Finals ended less than 24 hours ago. Typically (looking at last year's article as an example) there's three substantial paragraphs on each game, as well as in each team's season summary, which often starts with where they finished the previous season--Celtics season preview could use that. Final regular-season standings are always inserted in the Finals article--shows where each team finished compared to other playoff teams. "Clinched" is commonplace in nearly every North American sports season article; and while perhaps not as frequent, I've seen it used in Wikipedia and media articles for sports leagues elsewhere. I have a hard time believing anyone outside North America wouldn't understand what it means to clinch a playoff berth or home field. GO CELTICS! User:Pats2017 — Preceding undated comment added 01:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 West Bengal train collision

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Article: 2024 West Bengal train collision (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A train collision near Siliguri in India, kills eleven people. (Post)
News source(s): NDTV, India Today
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Magentic Manifestations (talk) 11:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose while article is in a good shape, this event is unlikely to have long term implications and effects. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 16

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  • Seven people are injured and one other person is injured while running away in a shooting at a pop-up party in Methuen, Massachusetts, United States. (AP)

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(Posted) RD: Jodie Devos

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Article: Jodie Devos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Observer
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Article updated
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Promising Belgian coloratura soprano who performed internationally based in France, and made award-winning recordings. Died at age 35. - I wish I knew more French and had more time. Roles and awards need more refs (or to be cut). More reviews and more lead would be nice. I'll be out tomorrow which is the last day, so hope for help. 4meter4, you found sources where I didn't. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Barbara Gladstone

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Article: Barbara Gladstone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Observer
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American art dealer and film producer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait article is alright but that big cn tag in the Film production needs to be resolved. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

77th Tony Awards

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Article: 77th Tony Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Tony Awards, Stereophonic takes home the most wins including Best Play, while The Outsiders wins Best Musical. (Post)
Credits:

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Occurred last night, article is getting updated -- table of winners, performers, lead and infobox all have updates. Might need to add more prose though and/or a picture? ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 17:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose on quality I don't see a ref for the winners, and I would like more prose on the ceremony (there's a bit of prose list for 'other awards' and two lines of response right now). Obviously take this as support once updated, no need to ping. Kingsif (talk) 22:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose like the other award shows, there is almost no prose. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose virtually no prose. LiamKorda 17:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 US Open (golf)

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Article: 2024 U.S. Open (golf) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Bryson DeChambeau wins the U.S. Open. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN BBC
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The tournament article seems OK but I will let others be the judge. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There is some prose but I think article needs a bit expansion. There is less prose than the previous editions' pages. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not enough prose and summary. LiamKorda 17:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 24 Hours of Le Mans

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Article: 2024 24 Hours of Le Mans (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, Antonio Fuoco, Miguel Molina and Nicklas Nielsen win the 24 Hours of Le Mans (winning car Ferrari 499P pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In motorsport, the Ferrari AF Corse crew of Antonio Fuoco, Miguel Molina and Nicklas Nielsen win the 24 Hours of Le Mans (winning car Ferrari 499P pictured).
News source(s): Autosport
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Article needs updating
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Article needs some work. Unnamelessness (talk) 14:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is just tables and tables with just few sentences in between. There is no race summary or prose about the Qualifying results results. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article is no way near ready to be posted. LiamKorda 17:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Joseph2302, PrinceofPunjab and LiamKorda. Way too much work. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment still has some uncited lines but it isn't impossible for it to meet standards in time. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 15

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(Posted) RD: Mike Brumley (infielder)

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Article: Mike Brumley (infielder) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
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American professional baseball utility player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article look alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article is long enough and well-cited enough for posting. Bremps... 01:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you Please take a look ?Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jadallah Azzuz at-Talhi

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Article: Jadallah Azzuz at-Talhi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Alwasat Libya, Ean Libya, Twitter post from official account of Abdul Hamid Dbeibeh (PM of Libya)
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Two time PM of Libya under Gaddafi. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Two-time Secretary-General of the General People's Committee, technically. At first, I thought it looked too stubby, but then I saw Hughes, Dusek and Abu Maraheel's short stories. He was 85. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's a stub at 1401 characters. Only two sentences cover his first 40 years of life. Dusek has 2,114, Hughes has 4,077, and Abu Maraheel, a GA, has 7,802. The comps to Hughes and Abu Maraheel are odd. Dusek has 50% more prose than at-Talhi. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I could tell this was the shortest one, but they all looked shorter than medium to me. As my copyedit alone removed over 700 characters, I don't think such a gap between this and Dusek's is that big. I'll defer to you, though, and cancel my vote. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article would have been enough for a MP but for a head of a government, article is no way near ready. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Paul Pressler (politician)

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Article: Paul Pressler (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
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He died on the 7th but his death was announced on the 15th. Article almost ready in terms of citations, however, I've found a couple spots where they're lacking (some information can be deleted and re-added once a citation is found). Disclaimer: Nominating this article does not imply that I endorse or support all the things this person did. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 04:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support posting Assuming all citations back up the statements they are after, the article is of sufficient quality. Ick. Bremps... 03:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready marking it ready as it is a good article unlike the person it is about. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Marking as attention needed as it has been marked ready for about a day and a half. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 18:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: , can someone look at this? Natg 19 (talk) 18:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James Kent (chef)

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Article: James Kent (chef) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, People, ABC News
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American chef. 240F:7A:6253:1:5831:E5EA:10D7:5033 (talk) 00:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article meets bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) English Whisky Guild

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Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 18:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: English Whisky Guild (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ English whisky Guild releases first annual report (Post)
News source(s): Herald Scotland, Northant Telegraph, Whisky Magazine
Nominator's comments: Topic was in the news 15/96/24 and previously on the 14/06/2024 on the 4/06/2024. ChefBear01 (talk) 17:29, 16 June 2024‎
@Abcmaxx: Thank you I have added a blurb that should clarify the story more precisely.ChefBear01 (talk) 17:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Kasai River disaster

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Article: 2024 Kasai River disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A ship capsizes in the Kasai River in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, killing over 80 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A ship capsizes in the Kwa River in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, killing at least 86 people.
News source(s): MSN

Over 80 people have died when an overloaded ship has sunk in Congo. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 13:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Needs some cleanup, and it should be a blurb, not ongoing. Regarding notability, we posted Sinking of the Zico but did not post 2024 Bangui river disaster, so I'm not sure. Sadly, those tragic incidents seem all too commonplace... Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree and entire understand what you mean. It's hard to say. But close to 90 people dead IMHO is notable even if it happens in a "third-world country". But I a also not 100% sure what the best approach here. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't really have in mind the "third-world country" aspect of it, but it's true that where it happened shouldn't matter for notability, especially since we just posted 2024 Mangaf building fire. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly even now the Bangui article is well below par for quality and length for posting. That was why it wasn't posted, so we shouldn't judge it that way. This article still needs more content before it meets the quality aspects we expect. — Masem (t) 15:13, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, in this case I would support on notability, provided the article is expanded enough. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Kwara boat disaster was also posted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would support the story for notability, but the article is too short and in need of cleanup to meet quality and updated content standards. To quote the updated content standards, the traditional cut-off for what is enough has been around three complete, referenced and well-formed paragraphs~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 15:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have expended the stub a bit and aded info about 21 children. Would the size suffice in your opinion? Thanks! With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 16:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support now, it seems rather suitable in scale to me? Start-class rather than a stub.2601:445:600:4C80:E1A5:FB7C:658C:937F (talk) 21:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality it is a blurbworthy story but article is a bit short for the main page. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: UEFA Euro 2024

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Article: UEFA Euro 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
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Yesterday marked the first match, the main international football championship in Europe, so it should be added to ongoing now. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I do not believe we have posted the Euros to Ongoing before (I checked 2016 and 2021 and they were both proposed but rejected). If I remember correctly the only sporting events that are posted to Ongoing are the Olympics and the (football) World Cup. Black Kite (talk) 12:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree here... Olympics and World Cup have wide international exposure as one of the reasons for these in ongoing. While this event is multinational, I don't think we should use ongoing for it. — Masem (t) 12:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, major soccer event. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose post results when done Ion.want.uu (talk) 23:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Kevin Campbell

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Article: Kevin Campbell (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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English footballer, played for Arsenal and Everton (amongst others). Article needs a bit of referencing. I think this is good enough now. Black Kite (talk) 10:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Matija Sarkic

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Article: Matija Sarkic (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): BBC
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Montenegran footballer. Article is reasonably well sourced but needs tidying up. Black Kite (talk) 08:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 14

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(Posted) RD: Sreedharan Champad

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Article: Sreedharan Champad (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Mathrubhumi (India)
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Indian malayalam language author and historian. Ktin (talk) 17:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks okay to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 08:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting Quality of the article is fine for main page. Bremps... 14:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: George Nethercutt

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Article: George Nethercutt (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): KremThe Spokesman-Review.
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American lawyer, author, and politician, very notable for defeating U.S. House Speaker Tom Foley in 1994.Needs a bit more work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose an orange tag and various cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 08:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Guy Warren (artist)

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Article: Guy Warren (artist) (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): SMH
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Needs a bit more work. Natg 19 (talk) 21:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait two cn tags but otherwise okay. PrinceofPunjabTALK 08:14, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 South African presidential election

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Article: 2024 South African presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In South Africa, ANC leader Cyril Ramaphosa is re-elected as president, forming a government of national unity with the Democratic Alliance, the main opposition party. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In South Africa, ANC leader Cyril Ramaphosa is re-elected as president via a coalition with the Democratic Alliance, the main opposition party.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw55w4z3gqeo
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One of the most historic days in South African history! For the first time since the end of apartheid, the ANC no longer controls the government, and has coalitioned with the DA opposition. This is pretty huge for the country, as this is almost the equivalent of Republicans and Democrats forming a coalition government. Lots of media coverage as well. Might be good to create a separate article on the new government that has formed. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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June 13

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  • The general secretary of the miners' confederation in Mali announces that at least 22 miners have died in Kalana, Mali, following the collapse of a mine tunnel five days ago. (Reuters)

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RD: Angela Bofill

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Article: Angela Bofill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard Deadline
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American singer-songwriter.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The article quality could be better. The discography, awards, personal life and other media appearances sections fall short in terms of citations. Bremps... 19:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Laurence Gluck

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Article: Laurence Gluck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Commercial Observer
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American real estate investor and landlord.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please take a look ?Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Mangaf fire

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Article: 2024 Mangaf building fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 50 people have died after a fire broke out in a residential building in Kuwait City's suburb of Mangaf. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Reuters, The Guardian, Al Jazeera, France 24
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Ainty Painty (talk) 06:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's now 2024 Kuwait Mangaf building fire. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to 2024 Mangaf building fire. Natg 19 (talk) 21:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support High death toll with significant coverage and a rare occurrence in the area. Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 12

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RD: William H. Donaldson

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Article: William H. Donaldson (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Washington Post
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Former SEC chair. Ktin (talk) 01:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost ready but the Yale School of Management claim is uncited, and doesn't seem to be corroborated by the school's article. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I went through and cited the SOM info as best as I could. It seems like a lot of it is derived from a speech, so I worry about credibility. Also from a cursory look, there is a ton of info out there that needs to be added to this bio/article. Does not even mention his work as Under Secretary of State for International Security Affairs in the body prose. Wish I had the time. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mike Downey (columnist)

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Article: Mike Downey (columnist) (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Los Angeles Times
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American newspaper columnist needs expansion.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Majed Abu Maraheel

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Article: Majed Abu Maraheel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Felesteen
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First Palestinian Olympian and flag-bearer. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 21:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Neil Goldschmidt

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News source(s): Oregon Live
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(Posted) RD: Robert Hughes (basketball)

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News source(s): CBS News
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American high school basketball coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Howard Fineman

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American journalist and television commentator.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed, posted RD) RD/blurb: Jerry West

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Article: Jerry West (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American basketball player Jerry West (pictured) dies at the age of 86 (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
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Basketball Hall of Famer, dubbed "The Logo." Most notable for his time as a player and executive for the Los Angeles Lakers KENGRIFFEY24FAN (talk) 14:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still one CN tag in the "early life" section. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 14:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Plus I'm pretty sure his statistic sections need citations as well. rawmustard (talk) 14:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The Corvette ZR1: Looks like an IP removed my source. I readded it, and the page has been protected.
@Rawmustard: The statistics are supported by the "external links" section, which links to statistical sites such as Basketball-Reference pbp 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know that whenever an actor/other film personnel is nominated, typically the filmography needs to have inline citations prior to the article being posted to front page, so I would presume the same would have to apply to a sportsperson's statistics. rawmustard (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rawmustard: I've added citations to the bottom of the table pbp 19:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb - Forget about the logo story. He still has many achievements as both player and executive and was one of the greatest of his time. I think that's worthy enough of a blurb. Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, leaning support blurb. The rare subject who was top tier both as a player and as an executive in their sport, and therefore transformative of the sport. BD2412 T 18:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb. West is borderline notable for me, even as someone who probably isn't even top 5 on notability ever within their sport. To me though, I can't stop thinking about how we didn't post Bill Russell. IMO, Bill Russell's impact was greater, maybe nit within basketball solely, but with his civil rights impact factored in. So if we are to believe Russell wasn't transformative enough, then West isn't either, I'd say. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quite a shame that Russell did not get blurbed. I thought for sure that he did. Who is the most recent sportsman to get blurbed? Maradona? or was it Jim Brown? (OJ did, but for non sports reasons.) Natg 19 (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Natg 19 The last one was Franz Beckenbauer in January this year. Given that he, Pele and Maradona (also blurbed) were generally regarded as the three greatest players of their generation, those were no-brainers really. The only living footballers that I can think of who might deserve a blurb are Messi, C.Ronaldo, Zidane and possibly the original Ronaldo, and hopefully we won't be meeting any of those here any time soon. Black Kite (talk) 09:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If O.J.’s excluded, I believe Kelvin Kiptum was the most recent athlete to be blurbed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, yes, I forgot him. Although him dying at 25 in non-usual circumstances also helped. Black Kite (talk) 09:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doubt this is getting blurbed, as the soccer (football) players you listed above who were blurbed also have a claim to be the GOATs at their position. But Jerry was one of the greatest of his generation (1960s), along with Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, and Oscar Robertson. Natg 19 (talk) 17:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we should ever deathblurb people whose death as an event isn't notable (e.g. a serving head of government whose death causes a change in leadership, or a notable murder, etc). By that metric, almost no sportspeople qualify. I do not think this is a failure of the system, RD line exists for a reason. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, part of my reasoning for Russell was his civil rights impact. The same reason I think Jim Brown was worthy. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with orbitalbuzzsaw, ideally, deaths should be blurbed if the death has a tangible impact, "famous person dies" is otherwise what RD is for. I won't oppose the exceptional blurbing of someone of the Thatcher/Mandela standard, as their death will likely have some level of impact (a good rule of thumb is whether the person has an article for their death, like death of Nelson Mandela). It really should be about impact, not about popularity and/or unusualness of the death. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Russell should’ve been blurbed, but the failure to blurb Russell shouldn’t affect West. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that sentiment, but in the sense of there being no hard and fast distinction for deaths where the death itself wasn't the main story, I personally think a bar should be set, and when x is less notable than y with both persons within the same field, and y didn't get posted, then justifying posting for x's death is hard for me. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
West may be less notable than Russell as a player, but his accomplishments as a player & GM may make West more notable than Russell. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb The article is of sufficient quality for RD, but there isn't anything particularly noteworthy about the death in itself. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb This is the type of person for whom Recent Deaths was created. We should not be blurbing the death of every basketballer (or every sportsperson generally) just because they were better than average. Chrisclear (talk) 09:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb He was elected to the Basketball HOF on 3 separate occasions, is the only person to be enshrined as a player & a contributor (the latter is for his accomplishments as a GM) & his silhouette is the basis for the NBA’s logo. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Not of Thatcher or Mandela stature, and it's really time to stop proposing blurbs for all and sundry, just because they were successful sportsmen or whatever.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Perfect for RD, but not exactly world-changing. Yakikaki (talk) 12:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, weak oppose RD, while his achievements are noteworthy within basketball, he's completely unknown for people who isn't into basketball. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 12:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. There don't seem to be quality concerns, so no need to wait on the RD. Discussion can continue on possible blurbing, although I'd imagine consensus isn't in favour of that as yet. (disclaimer: I'm involved on that score as I already opined on the question above). Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - the idea that it needs to be Mandela or Thatcher (seriously, why is Margaret Thatcher cited here lol) is not one that has any basis in the guidelines or our past history. West was transformational in his sport, no less so than Shane Warne for example. nableezy - 18:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Mandela-Thatcher standard is very much based in our history. The effect was effectively effected in December of 2012, while they were only mostly dead in a roughly contemporary fashion. Sure, there've been other timely pairs since that could've taken the title, but the people have spoken and the stickiness has stuck (OMD). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thatcher and Mandela both died in 2013, so you might have gotten your timeline mixed up a little bit here. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I said it was while they were only mostly dead; see the last (now shown first) entry regarding hospital whataboutism in Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/December 2012. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My bad, looks like I misread, sorry! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, some people are fond of repeating the same thing, based on some misguided belief that Margaret Thatcher, giggle, is in the same league as Nelson Mandela in basically any way, and then they try to impose that as the standard for any blurb of a death. If Nelson Mandela is the standard we should never blurb another person's death unless they die in unusually noteworthy circumstances. nableezy - 23:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nelson Mandela is no more the standard alone than both are combined. As you say, this is just something people say. In practice, the only deaths we should blurb are the deaths we do blurb. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Idk why I’m engaging with this, but we blurb plenty of non heads of state, and I literally laugh out loud when people blurt out Thatcher here. But Shane Warne would be the closest example here, and guess what, blurbed. Please stop with the Thatcher Mandela nonsense, because a. The two of them aren’t in the same league anyway, and b. That has nothing to do with if a person should be or has been blurbed. nableezy - 02:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The reason we use them as examples is that both had a significant impact on their country's politics clearly demonstrating how they were great figures and top of their field (it also helped both had significant state funerals that lasted multiple days). It's why we're looking we're looking for the same here, and this article lacks a significant demonstration of why he had a lasting impact or legacy (I'm ignoring the NBA logo issue here). He's got some but not anywhere close to what we'd see with other sport legends like Pele or Jim Brown Masem (t) 03:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The difference between West and Wayne vs. Mandela and Thatcher is that most people in the world have some semblance of knowledge of who either Thatcher or Mandela were due to their international impact. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who knows either West or Warne unless they're already interested in that specific sport. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 13:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Shane Warne's death was blurbed, in case you missed that part. nableezy - 13:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb: No doubt he's an important part of the history of the NBA, but for such a young sport/league, I think it's tough to argue that a guy who's not a consensus top 3 of the most important NBA people should be blurbed.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 19:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb His death is non-remarkable. HiLo48 (talk) 02:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Blurb per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Éric Tappy

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Article: Éric Tappy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTS (in French, among others)
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Legendary Swiss tenor, Orfeo, Tamino, Pelleas. There wasn't much of an article, sadly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article seems to be in good shape. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 08:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support no major issues. Well written and sourced— Iadmc♫talk  13:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just post This is about to slide off without being posted with only Support votes. Bremps... 14:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks like its in good order, well cited and no CN tags. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 14:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Article looks fine. No major issues. Netherzone (talk) 14:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I support this nomination, but I would like to see the word "created" clarified. Was he creating tenor parts as in composing, i.e. contributing new notes, tunes, whatever? Or was he singing the part in its public premiere, thus creating (at least for a while) an authoritative way of performing that role, like Alfred Deller in the first film of Auberon in Britten's Midsummer Night's Dream? This is just a question, and does not affect my support. Storye book (talk) 16:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nominator Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the support. I need sleep. If no admin is available please move him to 14 June when his death became known. --

RD: Marina Tarkovskaya

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Article: Marina Tarkovskaya (talk · history · tag)
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Russian writer and critic. The younger sister of Andrei Tarkovsky. Thriley (talk) 22:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tony Lo Bianco

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Article: Tony Lo Bianco (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Fox News
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American actor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Orest Lenczyk

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Article: Orest Lenczyk (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Eurosport/TVN24 (in Polish)
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Nominator's comments: Nationally famous Polish football manager. Needs a few more citations. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(RD posted) RD/blurb: Françoise Hardy

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Article: Françoise Hardy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  French singer-songwriter and actress Françoise Hardy (pictured) dies at the age of 80 (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde , The Guardian
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is updated and well sourced. Seeing how the article definitely reflects her legacy, impact on French culture and also impact on the modern-day music industry, not sure if it warrants a blurb? Regardless, article (IMO) is good for RD. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, we have posted Tina Turner and Tony Bennet as blurbs before, based in the "major contributors" or "transformative in their field" rationale. Hardy may belong to the same league. Alexcalamaro (talk) 02:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Hunter Biden

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Consensus to post is unlikely to develop.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

 
Article: Hunter Biden (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hunter Biden, son of U.S. President Joe Biden, is convicted in a federal court in Delaware on three felony counts of possession of a firearm while under the influence of narcotics. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
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Article updated
Mia Mahey (talk) 18:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Update on H. Biden's article is sufficient and event should be historic enough to warrant a blurb. Bremps... 18:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per RPH. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The events of his life have little real world impact. Compare it to the recent Indian election, where hundreds of millions of people voted in a democratic election to form a new government. You can't compare the scale of the two events. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Khushboo (Pakistani actress)

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Article: Khushboo (Pakistani actress) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ainty Painty (talk) 03:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 10

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June 10, 2024 (2024-06-10) (Monday)

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(Posted) RD: Brad Dusek

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Article: Brad Dusek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 15:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted blurb) RD/blurb: Saulos Chilima

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Article: Saulos Chilima (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Malawi Vice President Saulos Chilima (pictured) and 9 others are killed in a plane crash (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A plane crash in Malawi causes the death of Vice President Saulos Chilima (pictured) and nine others.
News source(s): The Times of IndiaCNN
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Malawi Vice President died in Air Crash.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, blurb? Андрій ЯЧ (talk) 11:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The plane crash event is noteworthy enough to be a blurb. 10 casualties including VP of a country. Didgogns (talk) 15:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb Article is of sufficient quality and event is major enough. Bremps... 18:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
added altblurb. Sheila1988 (talk) 19:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James Lawson (activist)

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Template:ITN candidateAmerican activist and university professor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Steele Hall

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Template:ITN candidate Premier of South Australia and Australian Senator. NB: I created this article (20 years ago). Hall is perhaps most famous for changing electoral laws to remove the gerrymander that had kept his party in government for decades, thus all but ensuring his defeat at the next election. There can't be too many examples of politicians willing to do such a thing. --Roisterer (talk) 09:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Roisterer, could you address the CN tags in the article please? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 09:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

European Parliament election

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Template:ITN candidate I see lots of news reports about this so what exactly are we waiting for? It might help to make a start. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Might be good to mention the surge in support of right-wing parties in the European Parliament, which has been a massive talking point in this election PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I concur, this seems to be the main thing the news is reporting. Curbon7 (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment von der Leyen is the main candidate, but not the leader of the EPP group. It should as such not say "led by" in the text. I would instead replace it with "The European People's Party Group (main candidate Ursula von der Leyen pictured) wins the most seats in the European Parliament election." I will also say that I would be cautious with writing anything which could imply that UvdL is guarenteed to continue as Commission President. So I would prefer using the term "win" if it is possible. Gust Justice (talk) 19:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To understand this, I read Ursula von der Leyen in pole position.... This indicates that her getting a second term as President is decided by national leaders and then endorsed by the parliament. So, that seems to be a separate process, just as election of the US President is separate from the election of Congress. Right? I'm therefore not convinced that we ought to personalise this by showing a particular politician but it's good to have an image of some sort. I'll adjust the nomination... Andrew🐉(talk) 19:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Tq Leaders of the 27 member states (on June 27) and majority of MEPs (secret ballot voting; tentative July 18) [9]. So imo, delay this ITN to July 18.— hako9 (talk) 21:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, the blurb which was posted in 2019 was as follows: Template:Tqb
The Presidential process was not included. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The article is about the elections to the European Parliament. Because of the unusual institutional setup of the EU, the election of the Commission President is a separate, later election (as noted above), and in any case the Commission isn't exactly equivalent to a government in function and form. I would therefore strongly suggest a blurb focusing only on the parliamentary elections and the outcome in terms of party groups, and leave VDL out of this for now. There is however no reason to delay the article until she is reelected (or not) as that election is another affair, strictly speaking. Yakikaki (talk) 07:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 9

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(Posted) RD: Lynn Conway

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RD: Edward C. Stone

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(Decision needed) 2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election

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Template:ITN candidate Part 2 of Europe's "Super Sunday" elections, and Bulgaria's 6th general election in 3 years. Curbon7 (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ping I added some sentences to the lead & an altblurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Simon Cowell (conservationist)

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This is not an argument for opposing. You can create a discussion on the talk page to change the "usual RD way" if that is an issue for you. Natg 19 (talk) 21:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson is that a real policy argument for opposing a RD? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 21:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue has come up before but I don’t recall exactly how disambiguation was done. The point is that we need to make it clear which Simon Cowell we’re talking about. It’s a significant BLP issue. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there have been rare instances where the name with disambiguator is in the RD line, i.e. Simon Cowell (conservationist). But this is usually up to the posting admin to decide. Natg 19 (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Searching, I find a previous case was Sudan in 2018 in which a disambiguation was added. More recently, a rough consensus to disambiguate in such cases was agreed in this discussion. And this was then done for a Bob Brown. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like Template:Noping altered this back to the "regular" format (Simon Cowell), but then switched it to its current form (Simon M. Cowell). This seems to be a workable compromise to me. Natg 19 (talk) 16:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Decision needed) 2024 Belgian federal election

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Template:ITN candidate Part 1 of Europe's "Super Sunday" elections. Curbon7 (talk) 06:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Article is ready to go Sharrdx (talk) 19:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping I added prose to the "Opinion polls" section, but the article may need more citations. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Including for the part that you added, Template:U. Schwede66 01:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That’s true. I based that on the lead of the Opinion polling for the 2024 Belgian elections article, but I’m going to do some alterations based on what’s in the body of that article. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 01:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Only one CN tag left, regarding that polling sentence YD407OTZ (talk) 02:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I've had a closer look. To understand what's going on, I had a look at the composition of the Vivaldi coalition. Adding up the seats of the seven parties that make up the coalition, I come to 76 seats, i.e. 2 more than the remaining parties. That isn't spelled out in the article or in any of the result tables; please tell me if I've missed that. Either way, if I've got that right, then both hooks above are factually wrong. What am I missing? Schwede66 03:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, however multiple parties (Open VLD - which supplied the PM -, Groen, PS) in the Vivaldi coalition have announced they don't want to be part of the new government due to the bad results for their party. I'm not defending the blurbs as they're written right now, but it's a little bit more complicated than just adding seats. YD407OTZ (talk) 05:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) French Open

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(Posted) RD: Siri Kannangara

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@Classicwiki My apologies. I hope I have rectified the phrase correctly. Can you double check on that. --Abishe (talk) 08:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This has a lot of details & enough references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Michael Mosley

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  • Per WP:ITNDONT, "Please do not... Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country". Andrew🐉(talk) 07:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand what you're getting at, but isn't that aimed at "Irrelevant for me/I don't like country X, so therefore I oppose." opposes? I'm not trying game, but what I'm getting at is that I don't think his death is particularly meaningful to the vast majority of people outside the UK to warrant a blurb, compared to that of major world leader or similarly internationally well known person. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 11:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See How the presenter transformed people's lives, "It is not an exaggeration to say Dr Michael Mosley transformed people’s lives. ... Tributes are now pouring in..." Andrew🐉(talk) 07:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Not a transformative figure, which is the general criteria for a death blurb to be posted. And Television section needs more sources before being posted to RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't support a blurb either, but surely in this case the criteria would be "death is the story" rather than him being "transformative." Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In that case, the death isn't a major news story either. Unusual, yes, front-page story, probably not. And not every unusual RD has to be a blurb. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The story was on the front page of most UK papers today. And that's after days of similar coverage. And all that's before the body was found so there will be even more tomorrow. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And today, following discovery of the body, the news is on the front page of every UK newspaper except the FT. The coverage is mostly the main photo story or takes the entire front page. While on Wikipedia, it was the top read article for the day, getting half a million views while William Anders got just 40K. The RD picks that ITN is actually running got comparatively few views; they are obviously not prominent in the news and readers aren't interested in a dry list of unknown names. Useless.
We can expect yet more coverage tomorrow as the news is still breaking. The latest is that they've found CCTV of him falling down... Andrew🐉(talk) 07:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ITN, and especially RD, isn't just about how many views the articles are getting. Especially since we're not picking RDs based on fame or anything, but based on article quality. And, for some people outside of the UK, Michael Mosley can be just as much of an unknown name as any of them. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Andrew keeps pushing this argument, and it's nonsense. The number of views an article receives should have no impact whatsoever on whether we post it to ITN. I think perhaps we should update ITNCDONT to reflect this, because it's getting tiresome. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Replyto Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 13:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:ITNRDBLURB, the posting of RD blurbs is determined on a "a sui generis basis" which seems to mean that anything goes and so editors may support or oppose for their own reasons. Chaotic Enby's reason for not posting was that "the death isn't a major news story either. Unusual, yes, front-page story, probably not". Evidence is therefore needed to show that this claim is false. The story is, in fact, all over the front pages and the evidence is that it's dwarfing the recent accidental death of William Anders for whom a blurb has also been suggested. See evidence-based practice. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD oppose blurb Article looks good and was a notable figure in the uk Sharrdx (talk) 13:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb Extensively covered in British news for the last few days. Death very unlikely to be foul play, probably not notable enough for blurb. Angusgtw (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb: Very extensive media coverage. No issues with article quality (although now stuck with an inappropriate image).Martinevans123 (talk) 11:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: post-mortem has established that he died on 5 June. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @SchroCat, @Joseph2302, @Tone, @Amakuru, I have tried to source the television section. I am marking it as ready (at least for RD), feel free to remove if you think more needs to be done.
(Given the number of times I have done this, I wonder WP:FILMOGRAPHY/MOS:FILMOGRAPHY guidance language should be updated to highly recommend references.) --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 8

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(Posted) RD: Chet Walker

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Template:ITN candidateN.B.A. Player and Movie Producer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article looks good with the additional references. Ready to post. Natg 19 (talk) 16:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ramoji Rao

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Template:ITN candidate Need Work .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 7

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(Posted) RD: David Boaz

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Template:ITN candidate — Preceding unsigned comment added by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk • contribs) 05:54, 12 June 2024 {UTC) (UTC)

Oppose for now It’s almost good enough, but a few more references are needed in the last paragraph of the “Career” section. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping Fixed the sourcing issues. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Warren Winiarski

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Template:ITN candidate As the then owner of Stag's Leap Wine Cellars, in 1976, his wineries 1973 vintage Cabernet Sauvignon was entered into the Judgement of Paris (wine), where it won, and made it famous and Napa Valley wines as well. He also seems to be a well known Preservationist. TheCorriynial (talk) 18:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(RD posted) RD/blurb: William Anders

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Template:ITN candidate Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rose-Marie (singer)

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Template:ITN candidate Northern Irish singer and television personality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zevabelle40 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Oppose selected discography section do not have any sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nicholas Ball (actor)

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Template:ITN candidate English actor known for EastEnders and Hazell. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 09:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is a stub and filmography is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 6

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RD: T. D. Allman

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Template:ITN candidate Obit published 6 June. Thriley (talk) 14:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait there is one cn tag and there are works that are unsourced, otherwise article is alright. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Sooners four-peat

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Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate The first ever four-peat in college softball history. Even the NY Times called it "historic". The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 04:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I can support this (women's sports fights systemic bias) but (1) it needs a lot of prose describing what happened and why a four-peat is historic and (2) a lot of images to add interest to all the tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Please keep slang/jargon such as "four-peat" out of ITN. I think I can guess what it means, but I shouldn't have to guess. HiLo48 (talk) 05:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Reply to note, the “four-peat” is used by all RS and is why it is notable. Google “four-peat” or “4-peat” and you see dozens of RS news articles, including those listed here. So I disagree that it should not be used in ITN, since RS uses it way more than not. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also to note, “four-peat” is an actual term in the merriam-webster dictionary. So, it is not “slang” or “jargon”. Just because you don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean the rest of the world doesn’t. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Reply So what? NY Times and ESPN lied? If I misread the sources, please explain what the Sooners won according to NY Times and ESPN. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The NCAA tournament calls itself the "World Series", probably named after MLB World Series, but is just an American collegiate tournament rather than an international professional one. Curbon7 (talk) 06:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Reply Alt-blurb without “slang” added. Please strike the part of your oppose for that. Also, clearly you can’t read what was posted just above yours on how “four-peat” is a dictionary term and not slang. Lol… The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wrote that in response to your "Just because you don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean the rest of the world doesn’t" quote. Just to prove the rest of the world doesn't, for its not in the Oxford English Dictionary. Must be some US-specific term. Anyway, the !oppose still stands for it not being on ITN/R. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For your reference, it isn’t just an US thing. Manchester City's Premier League four-peat on ESPN. I still disagree that just because it isn’t on ITN/R, doesn’t mean it can’t be listed. ITN/R is a guideline for things guaranteed to be listed. For a first-time in history event, one would think it should be listed, despite not being on ITN/R. But, I shall respect your opinion. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Sergei Novikov (mathematician)

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Template:ITN candidate The first Fields Medal recipient from the Soviet Union and a Wolf Prize recipient. — MarkH21talk 00:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Starship successful flight test

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Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Come ON! This is one of the most insane and incredible spaceflights in human history. Completely successful orbital launch followed by a successful atmospheric re-entry and hard landing for BOTH the Booster and Ship. The most powerful rocket in history. We have to post this PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Is this even a question? Couple very small failures, but still hugely successful, and they both landed for the first time. This was the most anticipated spaceflight event of the decade. qw3rty 14:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I highly recommend everyone go and watch the replay of this, one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. Ship the size of the Statue of Liberty plummeting through the atmosphere, green and blue plasma flying all over the feed, the craft literally melting away live but still manoeuvring for landing. Just insane. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    'most anticipated spaceflight event of the decade' no it isn't, not even close. That's Artemis 3, which will land humans on the Moon. Modest Genius talk 17:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a massive step towards that mission too PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not every SpaceX launch deserves a blurb. Even Boeing Starliner's very first crewed flight is being heavily debated below, so a test flight into orbit for a prototype Starship isn't really blurb-worthy. (Edit 14:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC): Not even into orbit as per below) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks like Starliner is coming to a consensus [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This was the first actually successful flight of Starship. Very important milestone in spaceflight. Note that this was not an orbital flight though. Agile Jello (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Chaotic Enby. Not even into orbit. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Being on an orbital trajectory is a rather arbitrary requirement, especially as by all metrics Starship made it to space, just not at an orbital velocity (which wasn't the goal of the flight). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The main test objectives of this flight were to simulate a booster landing in the Gulf of Mexico, and for the Starship to survive reentry and soft-land in the Indian Ocean. Both of which were accomplished.
    This is not just a major milestone in SpaceX development, but a significant milestone in human spaceflight history as the largest ever rocket's first successful flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Other nominations regarding Starship were opposed due to a failure to complete the entire test or meet some arbitrary requirement. Of course, now opposes are citing some other random arbitrary requirement to meet ITN. By all measures, this was a historic moment which may very well mark the beginning of human effort to establish an extra-terrestrial settlement. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Every test flight is a step towards Template:Tq, this one is only one more small incremental improvement, and I don't see why it is any more historic than any other. It's not about a Template:Tq, it's about the fact that we don't blurb test flights achieving slightly more than the previous test flight. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    First fully successful test flight of the first fully reusable and most powerful rocket in history, as well as the largest vehicle to ever make a controlled landing, as well as being all over the news. We've posted a lot less. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's easy to describe every test flight as a "first" in something as they each do incrementally better than the previous one, but until there's an actual payload, or maybe even manned mission, not every Starship first should be ITN-relevant. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So the first commercial satellite launch of Starship would be notable for ITN in your view? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Possibly. I don't believe in posting every Starship "first", but if there's one to pick, it's either that or the first manned flight. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough, though I personally believe this is notable enough to be posted PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not just a major milestone in SpaceX development, but a significant milestone in human spaceflight history as the largest ever rocket's first successful flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Plus the first successful flight and landing of a fully reusable rocket, which is a game-changer. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Another incremental test flight, still not to orbit and still without a payload. 'Successful hard landing' is a euphemism for 'intentionally destroyed on impact'. I'm getting pretty fed up of every test being nominated. If Starship actually achieves something useful then I'll reconsider; gradually getting closer to a usable state isn't blurb-worthy. Modest Genius talk 17:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Where did "hard landing" come from? The article claims soft landings for both the ship and the booster, and the CBS News source it links to appears to confirm that (although for the ship it simply quotes Musk's claim on that). 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    'Hard landing' is in the nomination above. The article calls it a 'virtual landing' i.e. not a real landing. Modest Genius talk 17:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    From the article: "B11 successfully splashed down in the Gulf of Mexico, in what SpaceX has confirmed was a soft landing" and "S29 splashed down softly in the Indian Ocean." If that's wrong, it should probably be corrected, but the sources given seem to confirm it. 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Both the Booster and Ship appeared to land intact based on the telemetry (though the ship had taken damage on the flaps), I don't think we've gotten confirmation yet as to their status now. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Mention of "hard landing" in nomination appears to be in error? Both vehicles performed soft touchdowns successfully [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See WP:ITNCDONT point 4 [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I did read the article - at the time of my comment it said nothing about the landings, only plans for the landings. We can argue semantics if you like, but being destroyed when they enter the ocean does not constitute a soft landing to me, even if they slowed down first. There's no evidence either craft was in the intended location either - the upper stage almost certainly wasn't, given its fins were completely shredded during re-entry. Anyway, none of this makes this more than a test flight, so it isn't suitable for ITN. Modest Genius talk 10:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is an uninformed analysis. Starship was orbiting the earth at 26.000 km/h and slowed down to 50km/h performing a vertical soft landing. The same happened for the booster. The entire stack is the largest and most powerful rocket ever built. This is a monumental achievement and an historic first in human spaceflight technology. Nothing similar has ever been attempted in history. We just had in the news the Boeing Starliner launch which is a routine ISS crew mission (performed by an extremely delayed but totally ordinary launch platform) and not this? {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  talk 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Tq It was not, this was a suborbital flight
    Template:Tq I remember SpaceX attempting this three times already, and claiming each time that it was the first "true" success
    Template:Tq And, more importantly, is Boeing Starliner's first manned flight, rather than its fourth test flight Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The news here is that both the booster and the launch vehicle of the most powerful rocket ever achieved orbital re-entry and performed the first vertical soft water landings in history. Calling that flight "sub orbital" is farcical. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  talk 13:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So jarring that the Starliner launch is the first item and this is not even mentioned... unfortunately the topic at this point is absurdly polarised and the results are simply comical. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  talk 13:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But it was not an orbital flight. They weren't on an orbital trajectory at any point. That's literally the definition of suborbital. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Modest Genius. I also get the feeling that this is an incremental improvement, which is exactly what Starship's development approach really is. This is the fourth integrated flight test in less than a year, and there's going to be a fifth one by the end of this month. I really don't see why this one warrants inclusion. When it achieves something beyond the current limits of spaceflight development, then that would be the right news to post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If IFT-5 is another flight like this, even if the full system is recovered, I would be against posting, but this is the first fully successful flight, and previous tests were shut down due to not all objectives of the mission being met.
    The booster catch, if performed successfully on IFT-5, would definitely fit ITN imo PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per PrecariousWorlds and Kcmastrpc. Alexcalamaro (talk) 17:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose another week, another SpaceX launch. Starship is launching test flights so often now that it is hard to keep track (expected to have 4 more this year). So what that this one did not explode. When Starship has its first crewed launch, then we can post. Natg 19 (talk) 18:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Surely it's not necessary to have every space flight included here. Got to be something really out of the ordinary. Nigej (talk) 18:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not just an ordinary space flight; it is the first fully successful flight test of the largest spacecraft currently operational. Surely the complete success of IFT-4 deserves a brief mention in current events, as opposed to the incremental successes of the last two Starship flights. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 21:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Modest Genius. I'll consider supporting if/when they do a crewed launch, but this is just another incremental test. The Kip (contribs) 19:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While we'd posted IFT-1, it quickly came in retrospect to have been viewed as a mistake, and neither IFT-2 or IFT-3 were posted. This is merely an incremental test flight that doesn't mark any big turning point. The only difference being claimed is that the vehicles mostly remained intact/capable up to the point they were expected to blow up; it still had a number of "partial failures," so it doesn't even cross the bar as a 100% success, even before acknowledging that an internal test isn't exactly particularly newsworthy. ITN is not a ticker for SpaceX activities; it's a venue for news, not press releases. Nottheking (talk) 19:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What? All test objectives were accomplished? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 21:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, no they were not all accomplished. You can read the list we have on them here. Those yellow items indicate objects only partly completed. "All objectives completed" would mean that list would consist only of green items, with zero yellow, red, or grayed-out.
    The actual qualified statement is that, for the first time, Starship wasn't precluded from even attempting its final objectives. It's notable that it still had engine failures, and most critically, while it was mostly in one-piece on reentry, it did still suffer a heat-shield breach, that resulted in one of its maneuvering flaps burning partly through. (a decent amount of material was observed to have broken free of S28 during reentry & descent) Given that the focal objective repeatedly talked about was to avoid any burning up during reentry, this constitutes only a partial success. Nottheking (talk) 22:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The main test objectives of this flight were to simulate a booster landing in the Gulf of Mexico, and for the Starship to survive reentry and soft-land in the Indian Ocean. Both of which were accomplished.
    Not sure what you mean by partial success, even major news networks are hailing the flight as the first successful Starship flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Would also like to point out that those are huge first accomplishments in the history of spaceflight... those are monumental steps forward in the history of spaceflight. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  talk 13:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I believe that this fully successful flight test of the largest spacecraft constructed deserves a brief mention. This story has been covered by multiple major American and international news networks and hailed as a completely successful test flight, including CNN, BBC, CBS, NSBC, etc.
Besides, the opposers seem to be riding on a shaky precedent set by the last three Starship launches that failed. This one is a complete success, very different from the previous IFT-2 and IFT-3. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 21:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While I do agree that IFT-4 was amazing, the exact notability of the mission isn't really that much (especially compared to IFT-1). Frankly, I don't think we should be nominating Starship launches until a major milestone is achieved (such as first full reuse, first ship-to-ship prop transfer, or even first HLS demo mission). Stoplookin9 Hey there! Send me a message! 21:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Successful flight test and big milestone in spaceflight towards fully-reusable rockets. 2607:FEA8:E31F:D2C6:932B:262A:AD:4D20 (talk) 21:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, incremental improvement over the previous flight but it looks like NASA and the media consider this to be a Big F***ing Deal owing to the controlled landing of both vehicles, especially the controlled reentry and landing of the upper stage being the largest spacecraft ever re-entered (semi?)-successfully [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would be pretty curious having 3 notable spaceflight-related blurbs on the front page although this shouldn't be a factor in consensus finding [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've not seen much from NASA. I've seen a lot of SpaceX asserting it's a "full success," even though it's still heavily qualified. Expect it to drop out of the news cycle once it's no longer the day of, just like with IFT-2 and IFT-3. Nottheking (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Expect it to drop out of the news cycle once it's no longer the day of, just like with IFT-2 and IFT-3" isn't this the same as 50% of the items we post? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Modest Genius and Stoplooking9 Sharrdx (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support having the Boeing Starliner launch in the news section and not this launch which is the first successful complete launch of the most powerful (and advanced) rocket ever built is crazy. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  talk 13:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because Boeing Starliner is the actual first manned mission, while this is just another, slightly more successful test launch. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comparing the two is farcical. Starliner is a totally routine and ordinary mission. The only notable aspect of that mission is that the first launch was so delayed. Starship is the world's most powerful rocket. Nothing similar to Starship was ever attempted in the history of human spaceflight and this test resulted in many "firsts" and many records and a huge step forward in human spaceflight technology. In the words of NASA Administrator Bill Nelson: Template:Tq {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  talk 13:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Tq - this is not evident. You're bludgeoning this thread with peacock terms and SpaceX boosterism, accompanied by crystal-ball claims about the Moon and Mars - but the evidence just doesn't support it. It's a decent test, don't get me wrong - but it just doesn't deserve the exaggerated hype you're heaping on it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Tq I understand that. Hence this absurd discussion exists. Unfortunately, to anyone with basic knowledge of spaceflight technology this is abundantly clear. See for example: Template:Tq https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-flight-4-test-launch-success
What you call "boosterism" and "peacock terms" are actually reality. This is:
  • the biggest rocket ever launched
  • the most powerful rocket ever launched
  • the first successful re-entry of a booster of this class
  • the first successful vertical soft landing of a booster of this class
  • the first successful orbital re-entry of a space vehicle of this class
  • the first successful vertical soft landing of a booster of this class
And many other firsts (more technical). This is a monumental achievement in the history of spaceflight. But sure, let's talk about Boeing Starliner. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  talk 14:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't understand why in unbiased and good faith you are actively against posting this blurb about Starship. IFT-1 and IFT-4 are subjectively notable to the same degree. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 14:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Modest Genius. Not every single test needs to be posted. Seems like a recurring theme that "ooh-la-la! cool spaceship launched!" is taken into consideration here. Kline • talk • contribs 17:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose Minor development in the war, and the Maldives already didn't have diplomatic relations with Israel. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose good attempt but oppose per Modest Genius Ion.want.uu (talk) 05:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Rosa (sea otter)

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Template:ITN candidateSea otter at the Monterey Bay Aquarium. Jbvann05 01:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready but I support it when it is. The "care" section has some fluff that needs removed too. EvergreenFir (talk) 15:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RIP, article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) Starliner, for real this time

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Template:ITN candidate Just about to enter orbit (only took 14 years). Article needs updating. qw3rty 15:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Worth noting that this is ITN-worthy specifically for being the first such flight by Boeing; routine crewed flights (they're on contract to provide NASA with six more) aren't inherently newsworthy, the same as applies with routine Crew Dragon or Soyuz launches; we get a few of each for each year. However, the first by an entity is newsworthy, and (while this isn't the proper venue) is something that is a glaring absence from the ITN/R criteria. After all, as it stands India's upcoming first crewed Gaganyaan flight (on track for next year) would, in fact, not be ITN/R, as bewildering as that sounds. So that's a clear indicator that right now, there's a huge gap for spaceflights in ITN that aren't ITN/R. Nottheking (talk) 19:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support now that they have successfully docked. --Carnildo (talk) 19:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for notability and reliable sourcing -- Rauisuchian (talk) 23:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 03:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull per Template:User.wound theology◈ 19:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: having this up while not mentioning Starship's launch on the same day looks ridiculous. The contrast in coverage is jarring especially since many have obviously compared the two launches (since the two companies are competitors) [10]. At this point we should probably remove this as well. It looks like a paid ad for Boeing. Either mention the two (even together) or remove both. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  talk 19:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's a false equivalency. It's entirely logically consistent to think Boeing's launch is ITNworthy, while thinking SpaceX's latest isn't. Whether one (or both) actually are ITNworthy are two separate questions, but it does not look ridiculous to draw the line between them. As we've apparently done. Floquenbeam (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Aye. As I repeated summarily while closing the other Starbird, it was only a test. This Starcraft is "for real". A test can still be posted if consensus develops, of course. Likewise, "the real thing" can just as easily fail. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The difference in significance of the two launches is so vast that highlighting one versus the other is comical. One is a "for real" routine ISS crew flight (albeit with a new vehicle). The other is the first successful test of the most powerful rocket in history and the achievement of many firsts in rocketry history (full reusability, vertical landing etc.). I understand if we don't want to report all tests. But then we shouldn't highlight the Starliner ISS crew flight as it is pretty much irrelevant. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  talk 12:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nobody seems more into making this a Starliner vs Starship feud than you have, in both nominations. I find it funny, but not "ha-ha funny", and agree each is irrelevant to the other. You're probably right about all those rocket science superlatives, but you can't expect a fan of something else to get as excited about it. Nobody can, whatever their niche. Anyway, I appreciate the effort and am sure you've raised a good deal of rocketry awareness in just trying to get this across to us. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gtoffoletto I would second this. Additionally that discussion was closed and archived too soon, in a rush, preventing further opinions and discussions. It was closed after only approximately 24 hours, mostly from people who seem to be unaware of it. Ergzay (talk) 21:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Blackman

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Template:ITN candidate Australian TV and radio personality HiLo48 (talk) 00:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Asmatullah

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Template:ITN candidate Ainty Painty (talk) 04:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) 2024 Indian general election

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Template:ITN candidate I couldn't figure out how to phrase the blurb in a brief way (I think the fact that the BJP lost its own majority but still has a path to form a government via alliance is significant), someone else will have to do it. Tube·of·Light 17:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not ready. Although final results were scheduled for today, it seems counting still hasn't been concluded. We can't post this until the final results are in, and the article has been updated with them. The article also needs to have at least a full paragraph of referenced prose describing the outcome, which is currently missing. I've added an altblurb. Modest Genius talk 18:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Some summary results have now started to appear, but the detailed results table is still incomplete. Modest Genius talk 12:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The results table is still incomplete. Is this a problem with updating the article, or is counting still going on? Modest Genius talk 17:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Counting ended two days ago, I have no idea what is going on with that article (and I also don't have the time to complete that on my own). Tube·of·Light 03:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait if the whole idea is about a possibly alliance wait Ion.want.uu (talk) 18:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: William Russell

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Template:ITN candidate Comment Actor best known as Ian Chesterton in the first couple seasons of Doctor Who, and later came back 57 years after leaving for a cameo that later led to a World Record. But he also appeared in many other tv shows of the era. TheCorriynial (talk) 19:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support I watched him back in the day. But the name is quite common and so it won't work well at RD. Tsk. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe it might be worth doing like what's been done with ongoing with maybe putting William Russell (Ian Chesterton) or English Actor instead of (Ian Chesterton). TheCorriynial (talk) 20:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't remember him at all, but the parenthetical in his title strongly suggests he's not the William Russell, so no blurb (regardless of whether he was 99). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Because the important thing is to keep the readers in the dark, right? Looking at RD currently, we have a serial killer, a hooker, Obama's mother-in-law, a mercenary colonel and some basketball players. But who's who? You can't tell any of that from just a list of names. It's useless. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is business as usual, you've seen it. For those who want light and timeliness, the important thing is Deaths in 2024. Here, we have space restraints and a quality bar holding things back. "Wiiliam Russell" fits, but an extra "(English actor)", "(Ian Chesterton)" or "(Sir Lancelot)" does not. Barwise, even the William Russell can't shine through multiple unsourced paragraphs. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose His filmography section is entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Support. Article looks in decent enough shape, a very long acting career, most notably as a character from the very beginning of a certain long-running TV show. Challenger l (talk) 14:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC) Withdrawn. Challenger l (talk) 00:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: "There's more than one William Russell" doesn't seem a valid reason for not including him. There are plenty of occasions when I've looked at the box and gone "Who's dead?!" only to click on the link and find it's someone else with the same name that I've never heard of. As noted in the box above, the policy is that anyone prominent enough to have an article on Wikipedia is notable enough to be included. The only issue should be the quality of the article. Skteosk (talk) 19:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I really don't understand why we wouldn't. He's got a decent article, and that's that. We usually don't include disambiguation brackets in the RD text of people's names - we just pipelink to the correct article, and I don't think that needs to be any different here. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Multiple footnote-free paragraphs. Filmography is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 10:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Janisa Johnson

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Oppose two orange tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sri Lanka floods

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Template:ITN candidate Ainty Painty (talk) 02:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is not blurbworthy. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Prince Ahmad Shah Khan

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Template:ITN candidate Titular head of the Barakzai dynasty and son of the last king of Afghanistan Mohammad Zahir Shah. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 20:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is a stub and has orange tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Jürgen Moltmann

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Template:ITN candidate One of the leading Christian theologians.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Brother Marquis

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Template:ITN candidateAmerican Rapper Filmman3000 (talk) 23:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support All sections seem to be well-sourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose accolades section needs sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PFHLai, @TDKR Chicago 101 and @PrinceofPunjab I have sourced the accolade section as well as other citations missing. Hope you find it satisfactory. Thank you. Filmman3000 (talk) 19:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Brigitte Bierlein

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Template:ITN candidateFormer Austrian chancellor Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose There's five cn tags. Otherwise, article looks ready once they're resolved. Support One cn tag shouldn't keep the article from getting posted IMO. I think her chancellor section is expanded to the best it can given her short tenure. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is work to be done: the cn tags need to be fixed and the content relating to her, albeit short, tenure as Chancellor should be expanded. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is indeed ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Colin Gibb

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Template:ITN candidate Black Lace band singer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose two orange tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Jeannette Charles

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Template:ITN candidate Likely well sourced. 240F:7A:6253:1:61BB:8258:CB1:D733 (talk) 05:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article has an orange tag as filmography is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Dick Sears (politician)

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Template:ITN candidate Thriley (talk) 12:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is a stub, needs expansion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Article is too short and only two sources given, both of which are obituaries. Needs significant expansion on his career in the the Vermont Senate as well as expansion and sourcing on his early life and career. Jmanlucas (talk) 21:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Janis Paige

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Template:ITN candidate American actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:BE:C460:CCA2:CE59 (talk) 05:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose some cn tags and one orange tag. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Larry Allen

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Template:ITN candidateAmerican Football player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is EXTREMELY under sourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carl Cain

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Template:ITN candidateArticle updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Levy (Israeli politician)

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Template:ITN candidateIsraeli Politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Mexico election

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Template:ITN candidate Important election. Media outlets in Mexico are already projecting that Sheinbaum won, but votes are still being counted. Davey2116 (talk) 03:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Sheinbaum article is in no fit state to be a bolded article. Three orange tags and five citation needed tags will have to be addressed first. Schwede66 04:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Wait until it's been officially projected that she has been elected. Support Also worth mentioning in the blurb that she'll be Mexico's first female president. It appears the election has been called for Sheinbaum per NYT. The general election article looks good in terms of sourcing. Not sure if Sheinbaum's article needs to be a target article as well. I recall nominating Guillermo Lasso's election but the 2021 Ecuadorian general election was suggested as the targeted article. Not sure if things changed then. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for notability but wait until the election results are fully in. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 11:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support but wait until all the votes have been counted. I also support featuring her picture in the "In the news" box, replacing Trump's. 2601:280:5C01:B7E0:9C1D:96E3:DEC9:8217 (talk) 13:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support and wait per others. - Sebbog13 (talk) 14:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alternative blurb, it's a significant election and her being the first female president is notable. Lunsel (talk) 15:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Altblurb, high profile country election and it's notable shes the first woman in office in Mexico. Sharrdx (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 
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"Re-election": confusing and wrong; gone now. "Legislature": still true. Moscow Mule (talk) 07:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Burnside

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Template:ITN candidate Scottish award-winning writer Drchriswilliams (talk) 21:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have now finished going through those two sections of awards and publications and have checked them and individually referenced them, so have now removed those tags. Drchriswilliams (talk) 08:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rob Burrow

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Template:ITN candidate ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Icelandic presidential election

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Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate BastianMAT (talk)

  • Oppose on quality. ITN/R is given, so I support this in principle, but Halla's article is still pretty much a stub, and the election article still lacks both context and aftermath. Once it all is ready, I'm more than happy to support it. CDE34RFV (talk) 09:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • We might as well close this now. Even though we at least posted Guðni winning in 2016, there's no progress in both Halla's article as well as the election article itself. And since we've got the results from more significant elections in Mexico and India, coupled with the European Parliament this weekend, the election in Iceland really seems like a sideshow, further exacerbated by the fact that this rather insignificant election has taken place over half a week ago. CDE34RFV (talk) 17:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Halla's article is extremely short and election article needs more prose. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality per PrinceofPunjab. One target's a stub and the other is almost bare of prose. The Kip (contribs) 20:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- this is not ITNR, no? Not head of the executive. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 07:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -- since it's not ITNR and the President of Iceland has no actual power, I oppose posting this. --RockstoneSend me a message! 09:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of El Fasher

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Template:ITN candidate (talk) 02:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Chang'e 6 landing

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Template:ITN candidate Article mentions landing but needs work. Prior nomination of Chang'e 6 to ITN consensus was to wait until landing. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 00:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support on notability but article needs some work. Mission profile section is a bit small and needs to be expanded. PrinceofPunjabTALK 01:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability Obviously, the article needs some work which would help explain this event a bit more. Overall a great event to display on 'In the news'. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 02:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I was wondering how they knew that the landing was successful and the article explains that the Queqiao-2 relay satellite has been pre-positioned to maintain comms. So, the article is quite informative and and useful. As it's ITN/R, we don't need notability votes. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support though would like to see more expansion of the article to match what we usually see on NASA or ESA missions. There was general consensus when the launch was nominated to wait until it reached the moon (and potentially on a successful return); that's this point. --Masem (t) 14:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. The Kip (contribs) 19:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 02:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose for now The “Overview” section doesn’t have enough references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kudos to Template:U for noticing that the mission has moved on and that, with sampling completed, the ascender stage has already taken off. The effect was that we only reported the landing for just five minutes but now we're up-to-date.
    There's an interesting detail that the sample hole was left in the shape of the character zhong (中) and so China has engraved its initial on the surface of the Moon. As this pictogram is based on a flagpole, this is literally symbolic. We should see if there's a free picture of this or other shots from the surface. Here's a video to start...
    Andrew🐉(talk) 06:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 1

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RD: Philippe Leroy

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Template:ITN candidate French actor. May require additional references for this go through. – robertsky (talk) 04:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Artur Chilingarov

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Template:ITN candidateRussian polar scientist and member of parliament.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose awards section is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) UEFA Champions League

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Template:ITN candidate Heatrave (talk) 20:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support altblurb but I think Madrid extending their record is worth mentioning as well Jbvann05 21:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments 1. This is ITN/R, 2. Would it be possible to propose a combined altblurb that also mentions that women's Champions League? That final was on 25 May so still within the ITN window (Barcelona beat Lyon). Kingsif (talk) 21:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once match summary is added Article just needs a match summary and post-match section to be added. I'd support the Women's CL final joining this if a summary were added there as well. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb I think it would look better for altblurb 3 if Carvajal was featured instead (more recent event + more famous), but altblurb 3 is good too Sharrdx (talk) 00:37, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt3 when ready women's' final looks ready but there is a rather short small summary on Men's final. When a longer summary is added, I will support it. PrinceofPunjabTALK 01:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 
Aitana Bonmatí
  • Support alt3 (Updated nom re. ITN/R) – there's now a match summary at the Women's final article. There's also this image of Bonmatí there that can be used - probably start by posting one of Carvajal, but it's typical to rotate images after a while and it's a great photo, so can add the Bonmatí one to MP protection. Kingsif (talk) 00:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC) – Marked as ready with the update to the men's final article. Kingsif (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support though I think we need to point out a minor technicality that may need to be discussed later. The UWCL isn't listed on WP:ITN/R so we may need to discuss that for future years in case they stop coinciding to do a dual nom. That being said, I support this nom but I do think ALT3 has a bit too much WP:OLINK and I also think we should only use the official names. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - article is not MOS:ACCESS compliant at the moment, as it has tables within a table. I'm not sure why this happens every single year...  — Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Colonel Dyck

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Template:ITN candidate Rhodesian and Zimbabwean Army soldier and mercenary group leader. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Boeing Starliner

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Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Nominator's comments: New to this process— may be short, but if someone could expand this, that would be great. 48JCLTALK 16:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome here and thanks! I'm thinking a blurb that mentions it being a spacecraft used to resupply the ISS could be more informative maybe? Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given the delay, wait and see if it's launched tomorrow. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whelp, launch got delayed again. Natg 19 (talk) 16:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wtf is happening at Boeing. How can it get this bad? This is like the 11th delay or something, it was originally scheduled for launch in 2017. What is going on PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. Since the launch was sadly delayed, on procedural grounds I think this has to be closed at this time. No opposition to it being renominated at a later date when it eventually does get off the ground. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The C of E added alt version 48JCLTALK 16:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, according to news reports it looks like they are going to try again in 24 hours or so. So on that basis I would say wait until we know more. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks. 48JCLTALK 17:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait and I suggest closing this for now. Starliner has been repeatedly delayed. Let's wait until it actually launches. Johndavies837 (talk) 18:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Sorry for the early ITN, the reason was because I was watching it live and the timer said 4 minutes until launch so I thought it would be appropriate for ITN. 48JCLTALK 19:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, welcome to ITN! Johndavies837 (talk) 21:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Tomorrow's launch attempt has been canceled as well. No launch until at least June 5 so there's no point in keeping this open. (Source) Johndavies837 (talk) 21:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) 2024 South African general election

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Template:ITN candidate Nominator's comments: In addition in highlighting the ANC losing its majority, the uMkhonto we Sizwe (MK), led by former president Jacob Zuma, has also seen a rise in the polls. CastleFort1 (talk) 11:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support when ready: Although we're still waiting for the official results to get published, and the article needs to be updated with new information, I think there's no doubt about the ANC's loss of parliamentary majority being by far the biggest takeaway from this election, as well as a turning point in the modern history of South Africa. Oltrepier (talk) 11:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - Until official results and the composition of the National Assembly is finalised. However, last general election, did we wait to post when the president is actually elected by parliament or did we post the NA results? I would be in favour of posting both as this is the most significant election in South Africa since 1994, and basically the only election where one party hasn't been dominant since 1948. This is a big moment in South African history. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment we need to phrase this the way we always phrase election results, to avoid seeming partisan. The blurbs above, which phrase it as The ANC loses... are not accurate - the ANC still won the election, only that they're short of a majority.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I concur with this. After the number of seats are released, I will make a second alternate blurb to reflect it. It'll say that the ANC won the most in South Africa's election, but it will mention them losing their majority for the first time since the end of apartheid. CastleFort1 (talk) 12:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We could also write that the ANC won the plurality of votes but failed to get a majority. That could make it less ambiguous for readers. Scaramouche33 (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle BUT wait until the result is officially announced. I think the proposed wording is accurate but I do agree with the above that it should be something like ALT2 that I've just added as a possibility. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:58, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT2 once results are released, but it should be edited for grammar to "The African National Congress (ANC) wins South Africa's parliamentary election but loses its 30 year majority that it has held since the end of apartheid." PtolemyXV (talk) 17:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. A significant amount of unsourced statements and indeed a whole paragraph ("Preliminary candidate lists"). Black Kite (talk) 18:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt1, oppose Alt2 Alt1 best captures the significance of this electoral event for me. In principle I strongly oppose saying that a party that gets a plurality of seats "won an election" in ITN for parliamentary elections because it implies to anyone unfamiliar that that party will end up in power even if it isn't actually the case (e.g. Spain and Poland, where the plurality party failed to get into or lost power), although in this case it's moot because the ANC is expected to stay in power albeit while being forced to ally with another party. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on importance, but wait until results are announced and information in the article is improved. I have proposed Alt3, which addresses the fact ANC wins a plurality, but not a majority. I used outright to indicate/clarify there is still room for them form a ruling coalition, and I see it being used in various sources. NPR, AlJazeera, Bloomberg via YahooNews. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt3 but there are some paragraphs ends without any footnotes. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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