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November 10

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November 10, 2024 (2024-11-10) (Sunday)

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(Posted) RD: Barbara Aland

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Article: Barbara Aland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ (in German)
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Internationally influential Protestant theologian who worked with her husband on critical editions of the Greek New Testament. There were no sources for the short bio when she died, but are there now. Still limited sourcing for the publications, but that should not be hard. I need to travel for a while. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prime Minister of Haiti

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Article: Alix Didier Fils-Aimé (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Transitional Presidential Council appoints Alix Didier Fils-Aimé (pictured) as the acting Prime Minister of Haiti after dismissing Garry Conille. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Articles are a bit stubby Bremps... 23:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

soft oppose this is the 4th acting prime minister since Haiti collapsed. Maybe we should start omitting them, but there is an argument to make per ITN/R since this is a head of government. Scuba 17:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle. BilboBeggins (talk) 23:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Mauritian general election

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Article: 2024 Mauritian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Labour Party wins the 2024 Mauritian general election with their leader Navin Ramgoolam (pictured) to be named Prime Minister (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Alliance du Changement, led by Navin Ramgoolam (pictured), wins the Mauritian general election
Alternative blurb II: ​ The opposition, lead by Navinchandra Ramgoolam (pictured), wins a landslide victory in the 2024 Mauritian general election
News source(s): Al Jazeera
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Nominator's comments: Article needs to be updated, the results have yet to be added, but this is ITN/R when it's ready Scuba 15:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Enough returns are in that the loser conceded. Article seems fine. Bremps... 23:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hold until we have some sense of the vote totals. At that point, procedural support as ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready but still not posted ? Shouldn't get staled Varoon2542 (talk) 19:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: National election and the article is in good enough shape. Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support : Various reputable sources, national and international, relevant for the historically only stable democracy of Africa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varoon2542 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above, wonderful work by the editors in their thorough coverage of a lesser-known but nonetheless important election. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mauritian General Elections always receive international attention in both French and English language media who always remind that it is Africa's only stable democracy Varoon2542 (talk) 16:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article updated, results are in, and additionally notable for yet another incumbent getting tossed out. Melmann 22:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bruce Degen

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Article: Bruce Degen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Nominator's comments: Illustrator of The Magic School Bus (book series). Thriley (talk) 01:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The article is now fully sourced. toweli (talk) 17:28, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 9

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November 9, 2024 (2024-11-09) (Saturday)

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RD: Bobby Allison

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Article: Bobby Allison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
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Nominator's comments: Hall of Fame NASCAR driver and 3-times Daytona 500 winner. 240F:7A:6253:1:D48F:9A79:A7A8:F331 (talk) 13:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Tone problem and some sections are uncited. Rynoip (talk) 19:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Delhi Ganesh

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Article: Delhi Ganesh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
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Nominator's comments: Prominent Indian actor and having done versatile roles in over 400 films. Has won Tamil Nadu State Film Award Special Prize and Kalaimamani Awards. Abishe (talk) 08:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Judith Jamison

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Article: Judith Jamison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Nominator's comments: American dancer, article in good shape. I honestly still don’t have a good sense of when we blurb, but she was a historic figure in the arts. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Quetta bombing

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Article: 2024 Quetta railway station bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Pakistan, at least 26 people are killed and 62 are injured in a Balochistan Liberation Army suicide bombing at the Quetta railway station. (Post)
News source(s): AP News, Al Jazeera, NPR, BBC
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major terrorist attack in Pakistan. Article seems short but adequate. The Kip (contribs) 19:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Major fatal terror attack at one of the largest, busiest and most important train stations in the province of Balochistan. Bloxzge 025 ツ   (talk) 02:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, major notable event. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Inconsequential ITN nomination, this doesn't appear to be a major headline on BBC, AP, CNN, etc. Additionally, it's unclear on how this will have any significant impact with the security theatre in this region of Pakistan. It's my understanding is that this group has been terrorizing this region for quite some time. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The bombing impact was that it significantly increased security measures across Quetta and suspended train operations Bloxzge 025 (talk) 18:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are short term impacts. Ideally we're looking for long-term impacts, and this doesn't seem to have moved the needle on the state of terrorism in the region. Masem (t) 18:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Major terrorist attack, significant casualty numbers. Rynoip (talk) 19:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted RD) RD/blurb: Ram Narayan

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Article: Ram Narayan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Ram Narayan, who popularised the bowed instrument sarangi as a solo concert instrument, dies at age 96 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ram Narayan, who won the Padma Vibhushan for playing the bowed instrument sarangi, dies at age 96
News source(s): India Today
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Nominator's comments: Indian musician, popularised the bowed instrument sarangi as a solo concert instrument Hekerui (talk) 07:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD since its a featured article. Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb article is of high quality. Scuba 19:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Seems transformative figure to me. Also, 77 Wikipedia articles is impressive. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb being transformational is not sufficient to rise to a death blurb. it's unclear what his impact or legacy will be nor is his death being covered all that much internationally. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 8

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(Posted) RD: Dorothy Allison

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Article: Dorothy Allison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT: Dorothy Allison, Author of ‘Bastard Out of Carolina,’ Dies at 75
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Nominator's comments: American writer. Died on the 6th but her death was announced on the 8th. Jaguarnik (talk) 20:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Trevor Sorbie

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Article: Trevor Sorbie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, Sky News
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Nominator's comments: British celebrity hairdresser. 240F:7A:6253:1:51AD:F63E:8838:41EF (talk) 00:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(stale) RD: Alan Rachins

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Stale. Black Kite (talk) 22:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Alan Rachins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post Los Angeles Times
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Nominator's comments: American Actor. News of death might be a bit stale but still nominating. TNM101 (chat) 17:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Article is generally well-cited, with the notable exception of the filmography section at the end. All of it is pretty easily verifiable from google searching. However, in many cases even the target articles do not have a proper citation or even a mention re: Rachins appearance. FlipandFlopped ツ 19:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and suggest close STALE. Death was reported on 11/2 (over a week ago). Latest nominations right now are dated for 11/4. Suggesting close since this is stale. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: June Spencer

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Article: June Spencer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Nominator's comments: English actress. Fats40boy11 (talk) 17:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support She was playing Peggy Woolley on The Archers before I was born and before the late Queen came to the throne. And she was still playing the part at the age of 103. Just posting her name is quite inadequate to convey the nature of her legendary feat. Just why is it so hard to post a few words or a picture to explain this to our readers? Andrew🐉(talk) 18:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure many outside the UK will know who The Archers were, and even then it only applies to those who listen to Radio 4 or grew up with it. I think you could make a case of reforming RD altogether, but this would merit a much wider discussion. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article looks good. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Amsterdam attack

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Non-admin closure as consensus to post is unlikely to develop. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: November 2024 Amsterdam attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israeli soccer fans are attacked in Amsterdam, injuring 10. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mass pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel violent assaults takes place in Amsterdam, injuring 10.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are attacked in Amsterdam after a UEFA Europa Leagueassociation football match.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans clash with locals in Amsterdam after a Europa League football match.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, pro-Palestinian protestors, and other local residents are attacked during unrest in Amsterdam after a UEFA Europa League association football match.
News source(s): https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/07/europe/israel-soccer-fans-attacked-amsterdam-intl-hnk/index.html
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Nominator's comments: Article about a recent attack against Israeli citizens after attending a football match. It marked the beginning of a pogrom there. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I've added another blurb related to the topic; given that Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam was created six minutes before November 2024 Amsterdam attacks makes me rethink twice and do two nominations (articles will me merged) in the hope that one of them gets promoted. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree here, it has had official responses from various politicians, so it has caused a diplomatic incident. Such events are rarely one-sided given an organised and politicised group of football fans were involved. Also the pogrom redirect looks to be heavily WP:LOADED and WP:POV I think this should be deleted. I have added altblurb3in order to give a neutral balance. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Everything gets political responses nowadays, the way we write event articles, which is a problem. Reactions really should be focused on actual involvement and steps, and not just stern words or statements of thoughts and prayers, but event articles tend to attract and grow those like kudzu. There's a lot of weight in claiming these reactions are significant that is in the CRYSTAL territory as well. — Masem (t) 14:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but this is making global headlines; I'm not sure what other involvement you can reasonably expect other than mass arrests and government intervention to bring their citizens home, which is what happened here. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tons of events get global headlines, but WP is not a newspaper and ITN is not a newsticker. And if that's the extent the actions that result from this event, that's also pushing it towards being a footnote within the larger context of the Israeli conflicts. — Masem (t) 19:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right but you can't set such a high threshold that only elections and tragic events with x amount deaths get posted, we are already getting to a point where it's becoming near impossible to post anything else. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose given the earlier disruptions by Israeli fans attacking people in Amsterdam aren’t mentioned idk how anybody could think this is a NPOV. Also oppose on notability. nableezy - 15:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, oppose alt blurbs 1-3 on NPOV concerns The level of coverage this is receiving puts this on a similar notability footing to the US College Protests, but Europe's version. I supported posting the protests and support this too. However, I am sympathetic to the NPOV concerns. Looking objectively at the reporting, there is evidence that at least some Maccabi fans were targeting or vandalizing houses and businesses with the Palestinian flag and that Arabs in the area (including a taxi driver) were assaulted prior to the game starting. Omitting this from alt blurbs 1-2 is a NPOV concern. On the other hand, there is obvious video footage that later in the night (after the game had ended), coordinated violence on a much larger scale was directed at the Maccabi fans leaving the stadium; alt blurb 3 leaves the reader with the oversimplified impression that the Maccabi fans "clashed" (i.e. caused violence) with locals. The net result of this is that I support alt blurb 4 (which I have added). FlipandFlopped ツ 19:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose clashes between opposing football fans in Europe is very commonplace. This is just given more attention due to the current Middle East situation. No deaths, or major number of injuries. If posted, alt3 is the most neutral blurb to use. To me, "clashes" implies violence / fighting on both sides with no indication of who started in. Natg 19 (talk) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Who is opposing Maccabi here? This isn't football-based violence, it's ethno-political Abcmaxx (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurbs 3 and 4; oppose the others. What makes this particular Hooliganism noteworthy is that it's explicitly ethnic violence: Israeli fans engaging in anti-Arab demonstrations in the Netherlands of all places, and residents responding with violence. Also, a lot more than 10 were injured, as of current reporting. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Natg 19. If it's posted, ALT4 is the best - the rest of them all have NPOV problems going in either direction. The Kip (contribs) 20:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose looks like football hooliganism, I can't remember us posting instances of this to ITN before. Scuba 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per Natg 19 and Scuba, no deaths so far Hungry403 (talk) 02:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, violence and football hooliganism by one group after being instigated by the other. RachelTensions (talk) 04:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - football hooliganism + WP:POV; all of these blurbs portray the israelites as victims here without showing what they did for this to happen. The background section in the artile is literally bigger than the section on the attack Abo Yemen✉ 05:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Massem above. Yakikaki (talk) 14:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Describing an incident of football hooliganism as the "beginning of a pogrom there" in the Netherlands is completely false and ridiculous. Football hooliganism is not uncommon in Europe. The article itself states that "Maccabi Tel Aviv fans had been filmed beforehand burning a Palestinian flag, chanting anti-Arab slurs and not observing the moment of silence for victims of 2024 Spanish floods." The incident was not an "attack" - the article has serious NPOV issues. AusLondonder (talk) 14:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is very clearly NOT just football hooliganism, and none of the major media are presenting it as thus. Even the pro-Palestian Guardian is calling it "attacks on Israeli football fans" (The Guardian). The blatant POV of some of the commentators here, and their both-sides-ism, is despicable and should be discarded. Khuft (talk) 17:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Only in the headline. The source you are citing to argue against "despicable both-sides-ism" goes on to repeatedly describe "incidents on both sides" and "fights on both sides" with both anti-Arab racism and antisemitism being causes of the fighting.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you even read the article? No-one is denying there were incidents started by the Maccabi fans, but the incidents thereafter targeting Maccabi fans were way more significant and shocking. The article quotes the mayor of Amsterdam, for instance, as follows: “Men on scooters crisscrossed the city looking for Israeli football fans. It was a hit and run. I can easily understand that this brings back memories of pogroms,” Halsema said. “Our city has been deeply damaged. Jewish culture has been deeply threatened. This is an outburst of antisemitism that I hope to never see again.” It's not me saying this - it's the actual mayor of the city where this happened. Khuft (talk) 20:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I did see that the politician placed the blame squarely on one side without acknowledging the other. The police, the source you posted, and reliable sources more generally, acknowledged that incidents and fights occurred on both sides. This discussion about how the story should be framed is better suited for the talk page (where such a discussion is already happening), it's not going to be blurbed.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted RD) RD: John Nott

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Article: John Nott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  The last National Liberal MP, John Nott, who was the UK defence secretary during the Falklands war, dies at age 92. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Times
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Nominator's comments: Quite a prominent and memorable figure in his day Andrew🐉(talk) 00:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD article quality good enough, not too sure about blurb though. Rynoip (talk) 01:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb - not quite a Churchill or a Kissinger. The party also seems to have been defunct since 1968. Departure– (talk) 13:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite?! Not at all. Spartaz Humbug! 15:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, Oppose Blurb article looks good, but being minister of defense during a war 40 years ago doesn't make you notable enough for a blurb. Scuba 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb - The article is of sufficient quality to meet RD requirements, but given his role as a former Defence Secretary rather than a head of state or high-impact contemporary figure, a blurb feels unwarranted. His contributions do not reach the level of widespread historical impact typically needed for a standalone blurb. Anopisthograph (talk) 22:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AusLondonder this was presumably in reference to your statement Keep in mind that the nominator here opposed the recent blurbing of a national constitutional referendum on European Union membership. Natg 19 (talk) 21:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 7

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(Posted) RD: Jürgen Becker (poet)

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Article: Jürgen Becker (poet) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit
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Nominator's comments: Georg Büchner Prize recipient. Grimes2 (talk) 18:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Christine Görner

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Article: Christine Görner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): her website
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German soprano who excelled in operetta, musical, film and entertaining music, especially one beloved operetta film. The article just survived a deletion suggestion, so became well sourced. Her death is reported only on her personal website, but what else can we expect about a woman who - if we believe the German Wikipedia - suffered a stroke 5 years ago and since lived in Italy with her son, where she died (on 30 October, but the first trace appeared here on 7 November) and was buried. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pim Sierks

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Article: Pim Sierks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DVNH (NL)
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Nominator's comments: Dutch pilot. Article requires some work. Ktin (talk) 05:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Elwood Edwards

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Article: Elwood Edwards (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): WKYC
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Nominator's comments: Voice of America Online's "You've Got Mail." Death reported 7 November. Thriley (talk) 18:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

support can't see any glaring problems. Scuba 21:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tyka Nelson

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Article: Tyka Nelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP New York Times
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Nominator's comments: Sister of Prince. TNM101 (chat) 14:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oppose yellow and orange tags. Scuba 21:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Until issues are resolved and tags removed, per above Anopisthograph (talk) 01:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Richard A. Cash

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Stale, past 7 days old (WP:ITNRD).—Bagumba (talk) 13:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Richard A. Cash (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Richard A. Cash, who pioneered oral rehydration therapy to save millions of lives, has died at the age of 83 (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Nominator's comments: The subject died in October but the NYT didn't publish an obituary until Nov 3. I'm not sure how much credit belongs to this doctor in particular but oral rehydration therapy has saved more than 50 million lives and was described by The Lancet as "the most important medical advance this century". So that's quite a big legacy which merits some attention and perhaps even a blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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November 6

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(Posted) RD: Johannes Beutler

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Article: Johannes Beutler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jesuiten
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Nominator's comments: German theologian and Catholic priest focused on Gospel of John. Grimes2 (talk) 14:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tony Todd

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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
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Nominator's comments: American actor with a large number of roles, notable as the killer in the Candyman series. Unfortunately article is woefully undersourced due to the large number of roles. Masem (t) 03:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now. The Filmography section needs a lot of work - right now, it's almost completely unsourced. Anopisthograph (talk) 03:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Madeleine Riffaud

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Fighter in the French Resistance during World War II, writing poems at school and in prison where tortured and to be executed by the Nazis, after World War II encouraged to write by Eluard and portrayed by Picasso, then as war correspondent in Algeria and Vietnam, in a relationship with Nguyễn Đình Thi, distant for most of the long time. - Several of the article's references were no longer there, but could be replaced. More detail is in the sources, such as an early short marriage and a child that died young. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article seems good enough. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is properly cited. Scuba 01:18, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support better quality than the average nom we get around here, good to go. FlipandFlopped ツ 18:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Syed Shah Khusro Hussaini

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Article: Syed Shah Khusro Hussaini (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The Hindu, Arab News
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Indian Sufi and the vice president of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board. Khaatir (talk) 02:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support no citation problems. Scuba 21:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I don't see any major issues. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above and marking as ready. FlipandFlopped ツ 18:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Anna Lo

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News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: UK's first Chinese parliamentarian. Article looks good, well cited. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 19:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks fine. Scuba 21:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Rafael

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Article: Hurricane Rafael (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Rafael makes landfall in Cuba and causes a second nationwide electrical blackout. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Nominator's comments: Another nationwide blackout to add to 2024. Not sure if the blackout article needs to be updated for ITN, because it isn't. Departure– (talk) 16:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait for the hurricane article and Oppose for the blackout Hurricane article needs to be updated with information on deaths. Blackout article contains only one sentence related to the hurricane. Also, I feel that the blurb should mention impacts across other countries as well and not only about Cuba. TNM101 (chat) 16:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per TNM101. There are fatalities so that should be the focus, the Cuba grid going down again is less significant overall. Masem (t) 17:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good, hurricane made landfall, there have been fatalities. It's impossible to separate out the blackout so that should also be tagged. Scuba 21:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Cannan

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Nominator's comments: British Suzy Lamplugh murder suspect Martinevans123 (talk) 09:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Once you start reading the article, it's hard to stop before reaching the end.
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RD: John Dempsey

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Article: John Dempsey (footballer, born 1946) (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): BBC Sport, RTÉ Sport
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Nominator's comments: English-born Irish footballer. 240F:7A:6253:1:44A0:8B74:9026:24BB (talk) 00:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed lacking sources. Scuba 21:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) German ruling coalition collapse

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Articles: Scholz cabinet (talk · history · tag) and 2024 German government crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ German traffic light coalition collapsed following policy disagreement over the economic crisis. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following policy disagreement over the current economic crisis, the currently ruling coalition in Germany collapses.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The German ruling coalition collapsed following policy disagreement over the economic crisis.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The German ruling coalition collapses over disagreements on economic policies.
News source(s): Politico New York Times CNN the Guardian euronews Washington Post the Telegraph France 24
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Nominator's comments: Coalition collapse in Germany is rare, I remember the last time was in 2005 (though it was a deliberately snap election called by the SPD-Greens coalition at that time). Also targeted articles need updates. Haers6120 (talk) 21:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have made 2024 German government crisis. Currently it is not ready to be a targetted article, and perhaps it should be merged into Scholz cabinet. Either way, I support in principle posting this. While we do not normally post government collapses, the present situation is very much unprecedented in Germany, and is receiving significant media coverage (if perhaps overshadowed by the US election). Gust Justice (talk) 21:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel it better merged into Scholz cabinet article, given that article lacks necessary updates so far. Haers6120 (talk) 22:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This seems the right approach. Not every separate event needs it's own article since you have to reestablish a lot of context for such cases. It might grow large enough into one in the future but in the immediate it should be merged (but still nominatable) — Masem (t) 22:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the merge. The original blurb is fine with the links it has. Renerpho (talk) 23:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm about to update the article. I don't think it should be merged because the impact will probably extend beyond the coalition. Perhaps we can talk about a merge in the future. Killarnee (talk) 05:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your contribution! :). I will update the blurb now. Haers6120 (talk) 05:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
if that article gets expanded enough, I will highlight/re-targe it :) Haers6120 (talk) 05:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should be careful on such CRYSTAL claims, hence why it is better to keep these types of news events in context of a larger article. Should it truly be significant, establishing its own context, then a sepearate article can be made. Masem (t) 17:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the snap election is held and a new coalition (or whoever wins the election) is announced. TwistedAxe [contact] 00:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Considering how unusual this event is, I don't see why we should wait for that. Renerpho (talk) 03:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This will have a significant impact for the nation and globally. This event has a long history, with discontent since the last election and enormous resulting gains for radical parties. Waiting until the next (snap) election makes no sense, the vote of confidence must come first, and theoretically it could be that there is no snap election at all. But even if there were, the snap election would probably not be until March, which would be more than just a little wait and see what happens. Killarnee (talk) 05:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is the 2nd biggest story in most places right now. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a bit drowned by the US election, but major story still. Juxlos (talk) 14:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominate and support Altblurb1, I don't think the "Traffic Light Coalition" nickname mean much to anyone outside Germany.31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The main reason for the collapse is a disagreement about the budget. Grimes2 (talk) 14:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Feel free to update if you think it warrants a change. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 17:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you! I also feel that Alt1 is more suitable :) Haers6120 (talk) 16:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 Seems notable enough for a blurb and agree that "Traffic Light Coalition" is meaningless for anyone who doesn't follow the German Reichstag closely. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Major political development in major democracy, in the news globally. Prefer altblurb as wording seems better. Also support the creation of the seperate article on the government crisis which could be linked if appropriate. AusLondonder (talk) 14:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support 4th biggest economy in the world (according to our own information) having an economic crisis that causes government to collapse meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    is the announcement of asking for a confidence-vote in January 25 enough for ITN? the news besides this is, that our government doesnt have a majority anymore, because one of the three parties ruling left the federal government. User Kiril Simeonovski explained that pretty well (see a few comments below). LennBr (talk) 03:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, leaning towards alt blurb. Both are good, but I can't imagine that most people will understand what the traffic light coalition is. "The currently ruling coalition" is much better when it comes to general understanding. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 17:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opinion How about change original blurb by replace 'traffic light coalition' with 'ruling coalition'? (that will make the sentence concise)
    such as 'German ruling coalition collapsed following policy disagreement over the economic crisis.' Haers6120 (talk) 17:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That sounds more reasonable - though I'm not convinced that it's ITN. To many "traffic-light coalition" sounds more like a transportation issue, than politics. Nfitz (talk) 18:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah the term only makes sense if you are familiar with its usage in German politics. It's probably safer to avoid it for ITN. Gust Justice (talk) 18:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support This isn't just a single event, this is the culmination of the unrests and displeasure the German public has had with the current government (i.e. 2023–2024 German farmers' protests). rayukk | talk 19:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until the vote of no confidence takes place on 15 January 2025 (or earlier). Has anyone here read what really happened or you're guided by the delusive blurbs? From what I read in the German article, chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) announced that he had submitted the dismissal of finance minister Christian Lindner (FDP) to president Frank-Walter Steinmeier due to unbridgeable differences within the government coalition and that a vote of no confidence of his government will be held on 15 January 2025. In response to this, justice minister Marco Buschmann and education minister Bettina Stark-Watzinger from FDP announced their resignations, whereas transport minister Volker Wissing left FDP and stayed in the government. As a result, the cabinet was restructured so that state secretary Jörg Kukies (SDP) was appointed new finance minister, Volker Wissing additionally took over the Ministry of Justice and agriculture minister Cem Özdemir (The Greens) additionally took over the Ministry of Education and Research. The government coalition—now composed of SPD and The Greens—will serve as a minority government over the next two months. For now, this is just a restructuring of the cabinet, and its collapse is dependent on the vote of no confidence. It's highly likely that no confidence will be voted and the parliamentary election next year will be scheduled earlier, but the right time to post this is when that actually happens.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I would wait for the vote of no confidence to take place before blurbing. This is when the government would officially collapse. For now, it is officially just a change in the government members... Tradediatalk 23:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would disagree with your assessment, as the FDP was completely kicked out of the coalition, leaving a minority government. I would say that that is sufficient. Yes I am a nerd -XCBRO172 (How could you tell?) 19:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support any of the blurbs look good. Government collapse is a major event, especially for the world's third largest economy. Scuba 21:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 5

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RD: Taoreed Lagbaja

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Article: Taoreed Lagbaja (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Died while serving as Nigeria's army chief. – Ammarpad (talk) 15:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kazuo Umezu

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Article: Kazuo Umezu (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Anime News Network
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Nominator's comments: Manga artist who influenced Junji Ito passed away a week ago at age 88. SimonLagann (talk) 22:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Was coming to nominate this, but will add while his death was on Oct 28, like many Japanese ppl, the death was only announced today, giving time for privacy and mourning by family and friends. --Masem (t) 04:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Asot Michael

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News source(s): The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Breaking news, homicide victim, serving Antiguan MP. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sharda Sinha

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Nominator's comments: Indian Singer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Sammy Basso

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Nominator close: Have confused months here, apologies. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Sammy Basso (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): CBC
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Nominator's comments: Biologist, one of the longest-living progeria sufferers and advocate for and researcher into the disease. Article is in good shape, I added the infobox. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2024 United States presidential election

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Article: 2024 United States presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump is elected the next President of the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Donald Trump is elected the next President of the United States and Republicans take control of the Senate.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Donald Trump is elected President of the United States and Republicans take control of the Senate.
News source(s): New York Times USA Today CNN The Hill
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Nominator's comments: This is a defining event for politics and is obviously newsworthy. Rager7 (talk) 00:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that this is premature, but don't see a need to close, as results will be announced in the next 36 hours. Natg 19 (talk) 00:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Until results have been officially projected. Also, should we post the results of the Senate/House races too? Also the article is tagged. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Until the results have been officially confirmed, which may take days, we're not posting this. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 1:07, 5 November 2024
  • Oppose as very premature. Have you ever seen ITN post a blurb like any of these proposals? Ask yourself why not. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ongoing A blurb is likely to be posted sometime soon so we should start discussion so that we're ready. For example, is the article quality and structure satisfactory or are there specific issues requiring attention? As many readers will already be looking for the article (over half a million yesterday), a link in Ongoing would be helpful.
Note that the article is already huge with over 10,000 words of prose and over 500 citations. Our focus should be on the lead and infobox as the main summaries. They could use a timetable with key dates for the polling and results as it currently just says that the inauguration is next year. Someone above says that we get the results in 36 hours. Is that right?
Note also that On this Day has Election Day (United States) as its lead item today.
Andrew🐉(talk) 08:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb as written, post when there are results ITN should not have premature posts. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hold till we have projected results. Certain to be ITN/R as it will result in a change of head of state regardless of who wins This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support now Multiple sources[1][2][3] have called the race for Trump. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC) MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Maybe we should mention Trump winning the popular vote, a feat the Republicans haven't achieved since 2004 and definitely a notable factor as it means a majority of Americans have voted for Trump rather than just members of the electoral college. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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A Russian IP being pro-Trump? How surprising *rolls eyes* AusLondonder (talk) 08:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: AP just called Pennsylvania. Prodrummer619 (talk) 07:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And if my calculations are correct when Alaska gets called he'll have the necessary votes. And Alaska's not a battleground state so.... 5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment should we mention the senate and congress races too in the blurb? NYtimes has "called" senate for the republicans arleady 5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Pretty clear winner by now, like it or not. Hungry403 (talk) 07:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Most conservative (not in the right-wing sense) projections have placed Trump 3-4 votes away from securing a re-election. Harris would need to win every uncalled state despite most of them projecting a Trump victory (and includes Alaska which hasn't voted for a Democrat in 60 years). I'd rather take our chances with a "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment at this point. PolarManne (talk) 07:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all reliable sources have called PA and GA. It's only a formality before they call Alaska - which would give Trump a win. I expect the call will go out before this ITN is posted. Juxlos (talk) 07:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for RSes to call 270. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support very clear that Trump win Tensa Februari (talk) 08:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Respected world leaders such as Volodymyr Zelenskyy have already congratulated Trump on his victory. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM (talk) 08:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moral support – The 2024 United States presidential election article hasn't been updated to project a Trump win due to the RfC discussion requiring unanimous projections from an assortment of sources, which other than AP are arguably arbitrarily limited to traditional television news networks. ITN is not going to say anything which the article does not say, so we would have to follow the RfC consensus. But I trust Decision Desk HQ, and they have called the race for Trump, so it's a matter of time before the sources we require for race calls call the race for Trump. Here's to another 4 years of chaos, I'm afraid. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's the standard for the article. This is in the news. And the headline on BBC is that "Donald Trump declares victory". Maybe that should be our headline too. Nfitz (talk) Nfitz (talk) 09:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for similar reasons outlined by feminist🩸 above - the article has not been updated to show who the winner is. For everyone above who has voted support - have you actually read the article before voicing your support? Chrisclear (talk) 08:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a little difficult to update when the article is fully protected. — hako9 (talk) 09:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I mean, I get it, but it's not like we've never posted an election without full results in the article, and with how things get "called", technically an official result isn't coming until after the calls. DarkSide830 (talk) 09:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Technically, an official result doesn't come until January 6th. We shouldn't wait until then either. Nfitz (talk) 09:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs work Revisiting this now we're allowed to discuss it again, I just read through the current lead of the nominated article. This mainly covers Biden and Trump but has very little about Harris and doesn't even mention third party candidates like Kennedy. It should have more about the campaign events like the debates and polling swings and more about the actual voting results. The general history of Biden and Trump and their flaws is less directly relevant and needs trimming to make space for better election coverage.
But now I see that this work isn't going to get done in a timely fashion because the article is fully protected and so editing will slow to a crawl. This seems to be a major quality issue. ITN is supposed to "emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource" and this locking shows it to be otherwise.
I was wondering whether Donald Trump might be the bold article in the blurb, to work around the locking. But that article needs work too. Its lead only seems to have one sentence about this election campaign and its result and so badly needs updating too.
Andrew🐉(talk) 09:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This was because of a discussion at WP:ERRORS. Natg 19 (talk) 01:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? We always post election results, so don't know why Trump should be an exception. Natg 19 (talk) 18:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 4

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RD: Barbara T. Bowman

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Article: Barbara T. Bowman (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): CBS News
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Nominator's comments: American early childhood education expert and co-founder of Erikson Institute. 240F:7A:6253:1:20DE:1757:E2C7:F003 (talk) 15:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bernard Marcus

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Article: Bernard Marcus (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: Founder of Home Depot. I am posting this based on what CNN is saying but the day of the death may be off as its based on a company memo. Article has about a half dozen unsourced statements that need to be fixed. Masem (t) 13:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support because his company, Home Depot, is very notable and he was a Republican megadonor. The article could use some extra sources, but it merits RD. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JohnAdams1800: Notability is not a criterion for RD: Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Natg 19 (talk) 18:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Death date reliably sourced now.—Bagumba (talk) 06:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Murray Sinclair

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Article: Murray Sinclair (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: Indigenous Canadian judge, chairman of the Truth and Reconciliation Comission. Article has some unreferenced statements, but is mostly good. Blurb might be warranted but I doubt he is a recognizable figure outside of Canada. -insert valid name here- (talk) 16:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Sinclair was a very notable individual for his work and life in an often under-reported and lesser known part of Canadian society: Indigenous issues, both contemporary and historical. For the very reason that his name is not familiar to many, but is lauded by many organizations in his passing with statements, is exactly why it’s fitting for his passing to be nominated for ITN. That being said, the article had some issues at the beginning but with some TLC by a few contributors it's getting better cited claims and structure. —f3ndot (TALK) (EMAIL) 13:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality CN issues need to be resolved before posting. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:26, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Uttarakhand bus accident

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Article: 2024 Almora bus accident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tragic bus accident in Uttarakhand, India leaves 36 dead and 27 injured (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 36 killed as bus plunges into gorge in Uttarakhand, India
Alternative blurb II: ​ A bus plunges into gorge in Uttarakhand, India, leaving 36 people dead and 27 people injured.
News source(s): The hindu Indianexpress Business today
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Article needs updating
 Spworld2 (talk) 06:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In what conceivable way does calling this an accident breach NPOV? GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the point being made (not that I necessarily agree) is that it asserts, without evidence, that it was not a driver suicide, sabotage, etc. Bremps... 00:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Accident implies that there was no precipitating human factor or fault resulting in the crash which is not for us to determine. Crash is simply the more accurate terminology and does not prematurely absolve anyone of fault. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 00:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I see your point. However, RS such as the BBC are using 'accident'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Dreameditsbrooklyn's notion. I accept, however, that the use of "accident" is so common and engrained that it's hard to argue this point. Schwede66 03:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not notable enough for ITN. It's a common occurrence, sadly. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD/blurb: Quincy Jones

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Article: Quincy Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American record producer and composer Quincy Jones (pictured) dies at the age of 91 (Post)
News source(s): AP
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American music producer, among other roles. Article needs a bit of work but not far off. Innisfree987 (talk) 08:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose RD. Article currently has six CN tags. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 3

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(Posted) 2024 Moldovan presidential election

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Article: 2024 Moldovan presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Maia Sandu is re-elected President of Moldova. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Maia Sandu is re-elected President of Moldova, defeating Alexandr Stoianoglo in the runoff.
News source(s): Reuters
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Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Not much to be said except that it's a significant election. BastianMAT (talk) 21:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Obviously a major story, and ITNR. As an aside, the BBC needs to get a less compromised Chisinau correspondent; they're still reporting Stoianoglo is ahead while other sources are saying Sandu has won; they did the equivalent with the referendum too. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They've flipped now. But still, if I had a nickel for every time this year the BBC wrongly called a Moldovan national poll for the pro-Russian choice, I'd have at least two nickels. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support thus concludes the story of these elections and referendum, that international media have presented as a choice between the West and Russia (hence the relevance of this result). Super Ψ Dro 21:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Japan Series

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Article: 2024 Japan Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In baseball, the Yokohama DeNA BayStars defeat the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks to win the Japan Series. (Post)
News source(s): NHK
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I can't comment on quality as I am not versed in baseball, but this is ITN/R and a concluded event. I will say this is more likely to be posted than many of the other stories that have appeared on ITN. Departure– (talk) 15:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. You're excellent for everyone. Kboybaseball1994 (talk) 16:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Monkey business

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Article: Infinite monkey theorem (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The expected life of the universe has been shown to be insufficient time for monkeys to produce the works of Shakespeare (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Franklin Open, New Scientist, The Times
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is peer-reviewed science and is getting good mainstream coverage. The conclusion was already well covered by our article and our advanced primates are already on the job of expanding it. It's interesting to find that actual experiments have been done and that one trouble seems to be that the results are not random -- one result was a systemic bias to the letter S, which limits the possibilities. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - This isn't a new discovery; it's a confirmation of something already well-known. Our own article Orders of magnitude (numbers) has the probability that a monkey will type the works of Shakespeare starting at any given input as the very smallest number it mentions, at approximately 10−183,800. The reciprocal of that number is unimaginably greater than the age of the universe measured in Planck time units. The infinite monkey theorem was formulated to illustrate a point about infinity, so it shouldn't be a surprise that even very large finite quantities encountered in reality are insufficient. This is largely an exercise in the innumeracy of science journalists. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose per above. Anyone could have calculated this, myself included, given enough time (or not, given the results of this calculation). It isn't a new element of math which we'll reference for years to come, it's just putting to bed an old figure of speech. Sensationalism at its finest. Departure– (talk) 13:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Fun story, but as others said I feel like this thought experiment has already been explored, there wouldn't be enough time before thermodynamic stasis in the universe for a monkey to randomly type out Shakespeare. Some interesting conclusions but this is more for DYK than ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per GenevieveDEon. Bitspectator ⛩️ 14:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It does. (There's also a degree of subtlety in the original theorem, around the term almost certain, which is of interest.) This research is basically saying that it really does have to be infinite, or at least completely out of scale with the entire known universe, for the result to apply. But as I noted in my original !vote, we knew that, and already had it documented here on Wikipedia. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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November 2

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November 2, 2024 (2024-11-02) (Saturday)

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(Posted) RD: Paul Stephenson

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Article: Paul Stephenson (civil rights campaigner) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British community worker and civil rights activist. Article is GA. Fats40boy11 (talk) 06:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dub Jones

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Article: Dub Jones (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3], Cleveland Browns
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football player whose article is a GA. Source isn't the strongest right now but more should arrive in the next couple hours. Wizardman 17:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

European floods

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Article: 2024 European floods (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Could slowly become one of the worst natural disaster in recent European history, if not already. --Roncanada (talk) 16:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong oppose This is a string of unrelated weather events, though reasonable to cover as a single article, but it is not like this is one long flood that is affecting more and more people daily. We posted the Spain floods, but there's no indication that system is continuing to create floods elshewer. --Masem (t) 16:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Masem and the fact that the majority of the floods happened weeks apart 27.96.223.193 (talk) 22:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per above. The European floods are only related insofar as they are all a result of climate change; they are not a singular ongoing event receiving frequent updates. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not a singular event. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Kemi Badenoch succeeds Rishi Sunak

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Article: Kemi Badenoch (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kemi Badenoch succeeds Rishi Sunak as the leader of the Conservative Party. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
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Nominator's comments: Pretty notable shift in British politics. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support New head of government. I'd argue this is ITN/R. Forgot Starmer was head of government now. Oppose for now, we didn't post Starmer coming to power before Labour's majority that made him PM (April 2020, didn't even get nominated), even when he was head of opposition, so I'd argue that when the same happens to the Conservative party it isn't any more notable. Departure– (talk) 15:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting that it wasn't nominated at all. I reckon this is a large change nonetheless though, and notable enough to be ITN. It feels like ITN sometimes misses some pretty important nominations. Would've been great if it was nominated back then so we could've gotten opinions on headlines like this, but I'm nominating it to see what the people here at ITN think. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For a more recent opinion, Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/January 2023#January 3 had the 2022 US midterms concluding with Hakeem Jeffries becoming House minority leader, again a change of leadership of the second largest party in one of the world's most important institutions. That itself was not nominated (only the election as a whole was), and despite Jeffries being the first African American US house party leader (comparable to Badenoch being the first Black woman leader of a major UK party), Jeffries is only mentioned in a single reply in that entire thread. A new minority leader in a democracy, failing being a very major first larger than what Jeffries and Badenoch are, isn't an item for ITN. Departure– (talk) 15:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In this case though, I don't think the comparison is that equal. To be the minority leader of the House of Representatives isn't the equivalent of being the party leader or the candidate for president (or prime minister if you will). A more appropriate comparison would be if Kamala Harris was replaced with another candidate instead. Do you not think that would be appropriate for ITN in that case? TwistedAxe [contact] 15:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was an ITN discussion when Kamala replaced Biden for the presidential nominee back in August and that went nowhere. Only Biden's withdrawl was posted, and that was notable because he had secured enough delegates to be the next nominee. The differences between the US and UK political systems make this a tough comparison. Departure– (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like the withdrawal was posted because it was a notable event, yes, but also because it was kind of obvious and covered his replacement by Harris. It would be redundant to post 2 separate ITN noms that more or less cover the same subject. TwistedAxe [contact] 16:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support In a democratic system, the leader of the opposition is an important post. A major change in British politics. Grimes2 (talk) 15:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose How many party leaders have the conservative party had for the last several years? But seriously, if there would be a logic to this we would have to make an ITN for every opposition leader that is replaced anywhere in a remotely democratic system. It doesn't make sense to me. Yakikaki (talk) 16:04, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Why does it matter if the Conservative party has had alot of party leaders the past few years? And to answer the second statement, do you really not think the UK is a major democratic nation? I'd argue as a non-Brit myself that the UK exerts a massive amount of influence over other countries in the region and globally. Obviously the leadership of a country like that will also affect other countries? TwistedAxe [contact] 16:07, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you misunderstand Yakikaki's comment. They are not saying that the UK is not democratic. if there would be a logic to this we would have to make an ITN for every opposition leader that is replaced anywhere in a remotely democratic system means that they do not want to make a precedent to have an ITN entry for party leader changes for any country that has a "democratic" governmental system (this could in theory refer to any country that has elections, whether rigged or fair). Natg 19 (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Speaking from the UK this is a major political development, but not enough for international news PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:06, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This seems like a very one country specific story. I'm not aware of any precedent for posting non-government political party leadership changes. Quite a few people here even opposed posting a change in head of government of France. AusLondonder (talk) 18:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Another one of those stories we would never nominate if it hadn't happened in an English-speaking country. We could find equal coverage in those countries when Spain, Germany, Italy etc. elect a new opposition leader, just it would be niche news in the Anglosphere. Curiously, I looked up whether Jeremy Corbyn was nominated in 2015 (a much bigger internal ideological shift) and it was just as opposed for the same reason. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is not a change of head of state or government, or involving an incumbent. This is just an internal party leadership change.
JohnAdams1800 (talk) 19:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Janey Godley

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Article: Janey Godley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I have never nominated anything here before so forgive me if I'm missing something. I've given this a fairly robust copyedit - what else does this need? Launchballer 13:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Cassius

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Article: Cassius (crocodile) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 12:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - A squirrel and a crocodile, wonder what's next PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now, there's more information on the crocodile's last months that's out there that should be added to the article first. Departure– (talk) 13:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As a stub. Anopisthograph (talk) 01:18, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 1

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November 1, 2024 (2024-11-01) (Friday)

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  • The People's Republic of China revises its regulations for foreign investors in its listed companies, seeking to attract more such investment by expanding eligibility criteria and easing financial requirements. (CNBC)

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(Review needed) RD: Alastair Down (journalist)

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Article: Alastair Down (journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English horse racing journalist. Thriley (talk) 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peanut the squirrel

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Article: Peanut (squirrel) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 09:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose the article does not demonstrate the subject's notability. Regardless of whether or not the ITN rule of "all RDs are notable" is in effect I'd still oppose on quality; demonstrating notability is a pretty big part of the 'quality' in posted RD articles that we do have a say in. This village pump discussion stated that social media followers aren't used to justify notability alone, and beyond that the squirrel's only claim to fame is being euthanized which is by no means unusual. If and when the article gets more significant coverage, let me know and I'll change my vote, but this article was created just now and the headlines might have some sensationalism in their motives. Departure– (talk) 13:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support a national tragedy. Scuba 02:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously??? Masem (t) 02:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Why is it always the gamers and anime nerds who want to censor things here? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 13:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not censorship to say that the death of two small animals is not a national tragedy. It's a plain statement of fact. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the deaths are not the crux of the story. The government signing a search warrant to raid the homes of people with a non rabid squirrel to kill it based off one random internet complaint is the story. How do all of you super editors not get that? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 14:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then as Launchballer suggests, this doesn't belong in a biography of the squirrel (or the raccoon), but in New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why? Do you redirect murder victim pages to the murders biography? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 17:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment for the reviewing admin: The page is currently up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peanut (squirrel) on notability grounds, and arguments are split roughly between "keep / significant reliable source coverage" and "delete / sensationalist and otherwise not notable". Consensus is not overwhelming towards one side or the other at the moment. Departure– (talk) 02:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are we looking at the same AfD? It should be closed per Snow, as there is no chance of deletion with the sources which have been added. You opened it after saying above "Note that the opening of such a discussion would keep this away from RD.", so the argument could easily be made that you opened the AfD mainly to keep the topic away from RD, which is why a snow close would at least bring the topic back here for a timely decision and not stop it via the AfD route. But, importantly, you also said that if you saw more significant coverage you would change your vote, and much coverage has been added since, so, who knows? Randy Kryn (talk) 03:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did start the AfD to keep it from RD, I will admit that here. I wouldn't have started the AfD had I not, in good faith, believed the subject was not notable enough for a Wikipedia article, with reasons and policy to back it up. Many of the votes were all keep but they all ignored that the main point was against sensationalism which a few others, including Masem, an administrator, have supported. "Significant coverage" in my eyes means that the coverage clearly demonstrates why the subject is notable, which I have yet to see. What I do see is a lot of articles stating the same, non-notable facts again. Also, this reply appears to me to be moreso an attempt at catching me in a fallacy than it is proving the point that the RD should be posted, and I'd advise against that. Comment on content, not contributors. Departure– (talk) 03:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's no "catching" involved, just hoping the AfD closes soon so that this discussion has at least a chance at passing or failing without the roadblock (does that happen often here?, the AfD-defense). The only fallacy would be if you come to the point of seeing enough significant coverage and didn't change your vote. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD any "person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post", the article, while nominated for deletion, will obviously be kept based on the existing consensus. Article is good quality and this is a relatively high-profiles scandal. Neutral on blurb at this point, but probably would've supported one had it been proposed closer to the event. –DMartin 19:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please take unrelated political discussion to the couvent de l'Annonciation. DatGuyTalkContribs
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I am perplexed by the political slant of a lot of the drive-by commentary on this case. See also: [4]. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A government agnecy went to a private citizens house, seized his pets and killed them because of a complaint to a government agency from a person who doesn't even live there and you're confused as to why people are upset about government overstepping?
Are you being serious? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 13:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm serious that 'overthrow the government' is ridiculously hyperbolic in a case of overreach by a local animal control agency. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a state agency and again, it was a trained house pet. Are you even American? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 14:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why does another editor being American or not matter? Comment on content, not contributors, please! Departure– (talk) 14:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because american government oversight is why the story is notable. So yes, an editor not being american or living in america would struggle to understand why americans are so up in arms about this. It is not about the squirrel, it is about what the squirrel represents. How do you continue to not understand this? 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The argument needs to be made in sufficiently objective terms that a non-American can understand it. We never restrict participation in these debates on the basis of the location or nationality of the participants, and we're not about to start for the sake of a squirrel. Other places have governments, people in other countries have pets, and other nations' and regions' government agencies have, and abuse, all kinds of powers including with regard to pets and livestock. I am fully capable of considering those situations in places other than my own. There's nothing magical about America; it just happens to be where this case occurred. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that was the case, why are there articles about animals like Harambe, only made famous by their death at the hands of the government?
You will never be able to justify deleting entries that users of Wikipedia want. You should learn what the word editor means because it doesn't mean gatekeeper. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 17:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not American; but I am British, and my instinct outside the US context is to use 'state' to mean 'nationally-run', which is the usual sense here in the UK. I was using 'local' as a contrast to 'national' or 'federal'. And none of that has any bearing on the fact that the political rhetoric here and elsewhere about this case is absurdly hyperbolic. Let's see people get this worked up about, say, maternal mortality in the US. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure family values are a main talking point in the US right now. Again, if you lived in the USA, you'd know this. I have a feeling the reason you want this deleted is much more political than you will admit. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please play the ball and not the man. Your feelings about my motives are irrelevant. The article itself doesn't say anything about the political overtones of the case. In fact, if a reliable source can be found which adds that detail to the article, I think it would go a lot further to demonstrating notability. If that were done, then this entire discussion would be moot, because it would meet the RD criteria automatically. But I'm also not sure what squirrels and raccoons have to do with family values. That seems to be somewhat out of left field. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think dehumanisation is particularly at stake in a case where the only casualties are a squirrel and a raccoon. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, your opinion here sucks and shows a clear lack of empathy and compassion. I hope the government kills your dog. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I honestly don't hope that, I'm just using it to illustrate a point (in a couple different ways). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am perplexed at your vehemence, as well as your position. 'It sucks' is no more a rebuttal than 'I wish harm on you or your pets'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've already explained that I don't wish any harm upon your beloved fur babies, so I'm sorry you feel that way. My intention was to invoke the humanizing aspect of this story. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No blurb is proposed in the nomination (and comments about a blurb just show the depth of commitment that this death is worth an RD), and what does 'located anywhere else' pertain to? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support This is one of the largest news events for the past couple of days, and has significant implications regarding government overreach, misallocation of government resources, and animal rights. --Jay.Jarosz (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This just isn't true. The Spanish floods (and the subsequent heckling of the King), the Novi Sad roof collapse, and the Tory party leadership result (correctly rejected above), are all much bigger stories. This is a flash in the pan. This is someone's fifteen minutes of fame, no more and no less, and we're not obliged to participate in that circus. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
none of those things reached north American news cycles. By your own metrics, that means they aren't relevant. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be claiming that by my standards, the death of a squirrel in New York is more important than the death of over a dozen people in Serbia. I can assure you that's not what I meant. You seem to be new here - as do several other participants in this discussion - so I suggest you familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's standards before you make absurd assertions about relevance. (The Spanish story is near the top of the CNN homepage right now, so your claim about US news cycles is also plainly false.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@64.229.210.77: Your comment that the major Spanish floods did not reach the "north American news cycles" is a complete fabrication and does not reflect well on your arguments nor your news consumption. AusLondonder (talk) 03:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Shouldn't even be an article, pure WP:NOTNEWS. Anyone who has posted that this is a major worldwide news story needs to have a serious word with themselves. Black Kite (talk) 16:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe you should brush up on RD, deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post. Peanut is an animal, with an article that died recently, therefore is important enough to post an RD. Scuba 16:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article that is not currently nominated for deletion or speedy deletion." Peanut's article is currently nominated for deletion. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for informing someone who has been here 17 years and is a regular on this page what the rule says. I'm pointing out that I don't believe there should be an article, though it appears that most of the people at the AfD appear to believe that a few news stories are equivalent to notability... Black Kite (talk) 19:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article was created yesterday, so we are at a stage that we have to evaluate its notability. We've had this problem a few times before where a human being, not yet shown notable, only got coverage due to a accidental death (like getting into a drunk driving accident). --Masem (t) 16:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD - No idea why people are starting deletion discussions in ITN. Also the story around this poor squirrel's death is causing significant media coverage, so this article absolutely deserves to stay. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reminder to everyone this is an RD nomination, not a blurb nomination. Any arguments that you would normally make for or against posting as a blurb are irrelevant. See WP:ITNRD. And no, the subject does not need to be human. The only requirements are that the subject has a Wikipedia page, and that the Wikipedia page is not in a miserable state. Disappointed that one of the oppose !voters admittedly only nominated the article for deletion to obstruct this RD nomination on the technicality that it cannot be posted to RD if it is currently nominated for deletion.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because the article was created the same day as the nomination, so its notability can be fully raised as an issue. It implies something along the lines of WP:BLP1E, which is not a reason for creation of a article, in addition to failing to show enduring coverage as required by WP:N and NEVENT. Masem (t) 21:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"The government is a mindless and heartless killing machine... It's possible, Deputy Dawg, it's possible" - Musky Muskrat. Ah, the price of Wiki fame... created today, cremated tomorrow. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD We have posted other animals of similar significance and stature before, I think we posted an RD for a duck or something like that a while ago if I'm not mistaken. The story of how the squirrel was taken away is also pretty tragic. This should 100% be posted to RD, but shouldn't get a blurb. Hungry403 (talk) 18:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nature or circumstances of death are not usually relevant. Provided the article is good enough, it's an RD like any other. I'm not sure if any animal has ever been given a blurb.... "outstanding in his field"? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, the death of Knut (polar bear) was blurbed. Also the first hatching of wild white storks in the UK in 600 years was blurbed as a significant birth (as opposed to the usual deaths). It seems likely that there have been other animal blurbs as we have several horse races in ITN/R. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for telling me. I must have missed that one 13 years ago. So maybe not a one-horse race after all. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly demonstrating the great seriousness of the issues he's addressing in the final days of the campaign. I'm very keen to see some analysis as to why this case is such a cause celebre for the American right in particular. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Prior to Trump's actual statement on the subject, there was a report of another statement falsely attributed to him. This found its way into the article (twice) and at the time of my earlier comment was a substantial part of the article text. That was the hoax I was referring to. The article has now greatly improved. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. First it's the squirrels... next it'll be the cows. Just wait and see! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where do I get the milk for my coffee, if all cows are euthanized? Grimes2 (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"South of the Border", naturally. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rohit Bal

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Article: Rohit Bal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, India Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted Indian fashion designer. 240F:7A:6253:1:2989:13C5:B09E:2D8A (talk) 06:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse

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Article: Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Serbia, a canopy collapse at the Novi Sad railway station kills fourteen people and injures three others. (Post)
News source(s): WaPo - CNN - BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: A structural collapse at the Novi Sad railway station has led to 17 casualties. Article is a bit stubby. — Knightoftheswords 04:26, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on significance. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New Mayan city discovered

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Article: Valeriana (Maya city) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ancient Maya city of Valeriana, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, is discovered in the Mexican state of Campeche. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ An ancient Maya city, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, is discovered in the Mexican state of Campeche, and is called Valeriana.
Alternative blurb II: ​ An ancient Maya city, the second-largest in the Yucatán peninsula, dubbed Valeriana, is discovered in Campeche.
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Major archaeological discovery - second-largest Mayan city in the Yucatan, after Calakmul. Discovery was only announced this week. Khuft (talk) 17:21, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note for the reviewing admin: The city was not known as Valeriana while it was inhabited: from the article Valeriana (Maya city): Valeriana is the name given to the ruins of an ancient Maya city in the Mexican state of Campeche... / ...the site was named after an adjacent freshwater lagoon of the same name. Cheers! Departure– (talk) 14:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Its the current working name until the site can be more thoroughly investigated. Until the more proper name is learned and published, it is completley appropriate to use Valeriana as the name. — Masem (t) 14:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just feel it's an important distinction to make. The site is Valeriana, and it contains a large city of an unknown name, that has informally become known as Valeriana. I'd just prefer if the blurb didn't imply that it was always called that (specifically the original blurb). Departure– (talk) 15:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Botswanan general election

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Article: 2024 Botswana general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Umbrella for Democratic Change, led by Duma Boko, wins the most seats in the National Assembly in the 2024 Botswana general election, defeating the Botswana Democratic Party for the first time in the country's history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the 2024 Botswana general election, the UDC, led by Duma Boko, wins the a majority in the National Assembly, the first change in government in Botswana's history.
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: First change in government in the 58 years of Africa's most successful liberal democracy. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per previous.
-insert valid name here- (talk) 15:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Besides the historic significance of the result the article is well sourced.
Aficionado538 (talk) 16:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This has been fixed / updated by Stephen. Natg 19 (talk) 23:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bibek Debroy

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Article: Bibek Debroy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chairman Of India PM's Economic Advisory Council. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ The Guardian
  2. ^ BBC
  3. ^ CNN
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