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For instructions on how to nominate an article, see Template:DYK nomination header § Instructions for nominators.
"Template:Did you know nominations" redirects here. For the list of approved nominations, see Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
July 19 1
July 26 1
July 27 1 1
July 28 3 1
July 29 2 2
August 1 2
August 3 1
August 4 2 1
August 5 3 1
August 6 1
August 7 1 1
August 8 1
August 9 1
August 10 4 1
August 11 4 3
August 12 1 1
August 13 2 2
August 14 8 5
August 15 5 5
August 16 6 3
August 17 7 3
August 18 9 8
August 19 6 3
August 20 5 3
August 21 1
August 22 4 4
August 23 9 3
August 24 6 1
August 25 10 4
August 26 5 2
August 27 12 9
August 28 13 6
August 29 15 5
August 30 20 7
August 31 9 7
September 1 7 7
September 2 8 4
September 3 7 4
September 4 7 6
September 5 5 3
September 6 7 3
September 7 9 2
September 8 6 2
September 9 8 2
September 10 8 3
September 11 6
September 12 7 1
September 13 2
September 14 2
September 15 4
September 16 3
September 17 2
September 18
Total 279 129
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Instructions for nominators

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If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing. Further information can be found at the DYK guidelines.

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Frequently asked questions

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How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below).

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.


Instructions for reviewers

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Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.
  • After the nomination is approved, a bot will automatically list the nomination page on Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures

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How to promote an accepted hook

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At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
  1. Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: .
  2. Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
    • Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
  3. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
  4. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
  5. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
  6. Hook should make sense grammatically.
  7. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
  8. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.

Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)

  1. For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
    • Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
  2. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
    • Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
    • Check that there's a bold link to the article.
  3. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
  4. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
  5. Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
    • At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
  6. Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources:

  • To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook

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  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue

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  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name

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  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations

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Older nominations

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Latest comment: 1 hour ago546 comments123 people in discussion

Articles created/expanded on July 19

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Max Greyserman

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or ALT1:

  • ... that PGA Tour golfer Max Greyserman and his brother Reed are the first brothers to win the New Jersey Amateur Championship?

or ALT2:

  • ... that a year before golfer Max Greyserman earned his first PGA Tour card, he considered a different career path?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:A91E:FA5D:EAB2:D6B0 (talk) 08:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

    • Reviewed: Masada myth
    • Comment: Nominated on behalf of an IP editor who will, as usual, provide the QPQ.
Moved to mainspace by Schwede66 (talk) and 2603:7000:2101:AA00:A91E:FA5D:EAB2:D6B0 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 150 past nominations.

Schwede66 08:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   8 of the 16 citations were checked for verification and close paraphrasing; no issues arose. I prefer ALT2 because the focus is on the subject of the article. ALT1 may mention a record being set, but the PGA Tour is more prestigious than the New Jersey Amateur Championship, so I still prefer ALT2. Yue🌙 17:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  •   Sigh, I forgot to add an icon. The WP:ERRORS discussion was essentially A huge portion of this article rests on sources connected to the subject, like his old university and the PGA and the U.S. Open – WP:RS requires that articles be based on independent sources. Also, a significant portion of the article is WP:PROSELINE statistics, which read really awkwardly and make the article feel half-finished. RoySmith (talk) 18:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Schwede66: Please address the above.--Launchballer 15:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello. I will see if I can address Roy's concerns over the next few days. Thank you. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:1979:BEF5:5AEC:99F4 (talk) 20:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi Roy. While I have some views as to the difference between league sources and team or self-published sources as to independence, I've made revisions to the article that I hope will address your concern sufficiently. If not let me know, and I will try to do more. And explain what I at least see as the difference mentioned, and why that difference is important to the goal of wp:errors. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:ECDF:78AA:BB1B:9EDE (talk) 04:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Please read WP:PROSELINE to understand the problem with the Amateur career and Professional career sections. @Theleekycauldron: who raised the original issue at WP:ERRORS.— Preceding unsigned comment added by RoySmith (talk • contribs)

  • Don't think I have much to add; some positive changes in the article, but i'd still like to see a reduction in the non-independent sources. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • OK. I'll seek to make some further positive changes to the article along the lines requested to reduce sourcing to league publication. Also, understanding that proseline is an essay, I'll see what more can be done there. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:A13D:8F1E:26A2:8F66 (talk) 09:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • theleekycauldron I've sought to make further positive changes to the article along the lines requested. Although I would be remiss if I did not point out that I still after consideration believe that there is a great difference between a source that is not independent because it is an autobiography, or even the site of a team, and on the other hand a site of the official WP-accepted source of statistics for a league. Treating them all the same does, I expect, lead us to stray somewhat from the goal of the rule in the first place - which is to avoid COI sourcing. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:F485:C373:DBEC:EA24 (talk) 07:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
      •   at this point, I think it's best for me to leave this to an independent reviewer. I will say briefly that I strongly disagree with your view of the independence of leagues from their players, especially as it concerns non-team sports. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
        • A new reviewer seems like an apt suggestion. Thanks. How do we request that?

As to your last point, there are of course very few PGA refs at this point. Notably few, as a percentage of refs in the article. And given that the PGA is the official source for bland golf information such as "He ranked fifth on the Tour in putting average," and "he came in 4th at competition x," which is how it's used as a ref here, I'm frankly still not seeing the purpose of the "independent source" rule in its application here - unless you think that the PGA stats are not to be relied upon, unless ESPN or some other RS reports them. Golf Magazine is obtaining that information from another source - it does not generate that information itself - the same as MLB.com and NFL.com in those sports. That strikes me as perhaps somewhat short of a COI concern; and COI is no doubt the basis for the rule in the first place. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:4569:133E:18AA:23EF (talk) 02:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  New reviewer needed. Schwede66 16:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on July 26

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Poll (parrot)

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Created by Di (they-them) (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 16 past nominations.

Di (they-them) (talk) 02:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   - Age and length are fine. No copvio/plagiarism concerns (Earwig = 26% but it's a quote). The hook is entertaining, and reliably sourced. I think it's good to go. KJP1 (talk) 05:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Di (they-them): Please address the contents of Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 201#Prep 6: Poll (parrot) (nom).--Launchballer 20:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Launchballer: I believe I already addressed the concerns in the discussion. The sources cited are reliable and the hook is confirmed by the sources. Di (they-them) (talk) 20:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Looking at the article, I agree. I just tried to rearrange the article so that it would not deserve {{lead extra info}}, but did not see the words "African grey" in either of the sources in the lead. I think this should be added to the body and cited.--Launchballer 08:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Di (they-them): Please address the above. For the record, I can live with Naples News, as it is a) a subsidiary of USA Today, which is listed green at WP:RSP (i.e. there probably isn't zero factchecking), and b) the article is being used for a not terribly controversial claim about a dead animal. I'm happy to take it. I would still like to see "African grey" sourced.--Launchballer 12:15, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think your response about Naples News is good. If necessary, I can remove it since it's just reinforcing claims by other sources as well. As for "African grey", that's just a synonym for Grey parrot, so it's just a matter of semantics. I'll change the wording in the article to say "Grey parrot" instead just to be safe. Di (they-them) (talk) 14:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have raised this question at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Listicle as a RS? RoySmith (talk) 15:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Are all grey parrots African? If not, this needs a source.--Launchballer 07:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Grey parrot and African grey refer to a specific species of parrot, Psittacus erithacus. Di (they-them) (talk) 12:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on July 28

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Center squeeze

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Distribution of winning candidates under RCV, showing a bias towards extremes
Created by Closed Limelike Curves (talk) and Jasavina (talk).


Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

I've done some formatting to the hooks which may or may not rectify your concerns.--Launchballer 12:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Thank you, the new hooks should work. Given how the hooks based on examples are not only specific but may require specialist knowledge, I've struck them. The nom is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Closed Limelike Curves: There are huge amounts of unsourced content in this! Please fix them. When you've done that, I will give this a proper review.--Launchballer 11:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Launchballer: Fixed. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I still see unsourced content.--Launchballer 07:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Could you clarify where/how? I can't see any, apart from the fictional example. That one doesn't have citations because I thought examples of basic computations didn't require sources; I've seen similar examples on other math pages.– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
My gut says the Alphabet example, First past-the-post and Ranked choice runoff sections shouldn't be there, although I'm not sure on what policy grounds. (Maybe WP:DUE?) The sentence beginning "In the 2009 election" needs a cite that isn't Wikipedia and there are two WP:MEDIUM sources - what makes them reliable?--Launchballer 07:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on July 29

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Articles created/expanded on August 1

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Kayangan Lake

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Created by DarkNight0917 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   I will do a full review of this later, but for now my main concern is the hook. The claim of it being the cleanest lake in Asia is an exceptional claim, so per WP:DYKHOOK and WP:EXCEPTIONAL would require exceptional sourcing. Right now the article uses The Straits Times as the source for the fact: it is yellow on WP:RSP, which generally means it is to be used with caution on Wikipedia, and its suitability is a case-by-case thing. In this case, it may not be completely safe for it to be what supports the source. Either more independent or stronger sourcing should be found, or a different hook be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Okay, propose this one: ALT1:... that a tribe performed rituals in a lake to let outsiders use it? Source:TST this hook uses the Straits times, let me know if it's okay or not. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   ALT1 should be okay as the article isn't about the Singaporean government and there's no reason to doubt that the ST is unreliable in this case. The main issue right now is that part of the article appears to be a close paraphrase of the Straits Times article, so that needs urgent attention. The sourcing in the article isn't the best since it seems to rely on tourist guide websites, but for the purpose of the article it probably isn't disqualifying since they aren't used to support contentious information. As for the rest of the DYK checks, the article is new enough and long enough and a QPQ has been provided. In addition for the need to resolve the close paraphrasing, the article could also use a copyedit. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
One final suggestion: as the claim of it being the cleanest lake in Asia is an exceptional claim, and I do not believe that the sources provided are exceptional sources, my suggestion would be to make the statement in the article less definitive. Something like "The Straits Times stated that the lake is reputed..." or wording to that effect. Maybe Launchballer can help out here with the wording and copyediting? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
A possible alternate wording of ALT1, if for whatever reason it does not pass scrutiny, could be something like:
ALT3 ... that prior to allowing outsiders to visit Kayangan Lake, the Tagbanwa tribe performed a ritual to seek permission from nature spirits?
It's much longer than ALT2 and I think ALT2 is still suitable, this is just a backup option. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I will take a look at this when I'm done with Talk:Megan Barton-Hanson/GA1, and I'll get to that when I'm feeling a little more clear-headed. (There's clearly something big there I'm not seeing.)--Launchballer 13:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I am really not liking some of the sources used in this article - Journey Era, Philippinetravels.ph, and Richandsunnytravels.ph are all WP:SPS blogs and Guidetothephilippines.ph is a travel agency. What makes them reliable?--Launchballer 14:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
They're travel websites that give information about the subject. They aren't ideal, but it's often the case that coverage about less well-known Philippine destinations are lacking. As long as they aren't being used to support contentious information, as in what they're saying is uncontroversial and unlikely to be made up, I don't necessarily see them as a problem for DYK purposes. This isn't aiming for FA or even GA. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:08, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Having said that, the claim of it being the cleanest lake in Asia is an exceptional claim, and I'm not comfortable with how it is currently presented as a fact in the article. As stated above, my suggestion would be for it to be attributed to the Straits Times, while also making the presentation less definite. If this isn't addressed, I can't see this article running on DYK since that statement will likely be challenged at WT:DYK and/or WP:ERRORS. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TheNuggeteer: Please address the concerns raised above; the nomination may be marked for closure if they are not resolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:09, 28 August 2024 (UTC)Reply


Done, added note. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 13:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, but the attribution to The Straits Times has to be in-text and not a footnote. So the article should say something like "A The Straits Times article called the lake the cleanest in Asia." or something like that, and even, I'm not even sure if the claim would meet scrutiny to other editors. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:01, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TheNuggeteer and Narutolovehinata5: "Asia's cleanest lake" is a scientific claim, and not one The Straits Times is qualified to make. What even defines "cleanest"? "widely regarded" by scientists, or average people, or who? Hook currently fails verification. Also, are the travel blogs reliable sources? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oh, I see this came up earlier. Launchballer seems to be right under WP:DYKG, which says that all sources cited need to meet a minimum standard of reliability (i.e. can't be self-published). theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:40, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't see an ALT2 on this page and ALT1 needs an end-of-sentence citation.--Launchballer 10:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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  1. ^ but regardless of the cleanliness, it should still not be drunk without treatment and this is a brackish lake anyway which has salt in it

Oxford zero emission zone

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  • Comment: Should be good as this article is just above 1500 characters. My third article.
Moved to mainspace by JuniperChill (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

JuniperChill (talk) 08:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

You might want to do something about the unsourced content in this. (I don't plan on reviewing this any time soon as I review oldest first, but I might pop in and expand it once I've finished the stuff on my to-do list.)--Launchballer 12:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  @JuniperChill: Not a full review, but I have tagged the article with two "citation needed" tags. These need to be resolved before this nomination can be approved. Z1720 (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Z1720: I added two references to replace the {{cn}}. Should be good JuniperChill (talk) 09:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

 This needs a reviewer to look at all the criteria. Z1720 (talk) 11:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@JuniperChill: Was about to review, however I see that the phrase "nine streets in Oxford" is in the lead but not in the body and sourced nowhere. This should be rectified.--Launchballer 18:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Launchballer: Done with the citations. However, the "nine streets" already appeared on both the lead and the body. diff JuniperChill (talk) 22:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, my mistake. (You can actually remove the ref from the lead if you like, since it isn't actually necessary.) I will review this in the morning.--Launchballer 22:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Long enough, new enough, QPQ unnecessary. Earwig's down, so will assess that when it's up, though I'm not seeing a need for any other dispute tags. The article's hook isn't directly relevant to the zero-emission zone and I think a new hook should be proposed.--Launchballer 10:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

How about Alt1: "that Oxford's zero emission zone has faced a hypocrisy claim and been known to some as the congestion charge as non-electric vehicles can enter on payment?" JuniperChill (talk) 11:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would question the WP:NPOVness of that hook, given that the source cites three people, two for and one against. I'm not even sure I'd have it in the article.--Launchballer 22:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Is there a reference for it being the UK's first zero emission zone?--Launchballer 10:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I would note that googling UK's first zero emission zone would bring up many sources that state that Oxford has introduced its first ZEZ. In fact, this source from the BBC is used in the article and states it within the first few paragraphs. Maybe that could be the potential hook about UK's first ZEZ. I have also removed a sentence from the article. JuniperChill (talk) 19:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
That article cites Oxford City Council and Oxfordshire County Council, neither of whom are independent, and they describe a then-future event. Do you have a source that says it definitely was? Pedantic I know, but I'd rather not be dragged to WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS.--Launchballer 19:46, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have found some, including one from Fleetnews, New AutoMotive and Fleet Europe.— Preceding unsigned comment added by JuniperChill (talk • contribs)
Do you have one that doesn't talk in future tense, i.e. was published after it launched?--Launchballer 08:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Here is one finally! Which was posted in feb 2024. It's the last paragraph btw. JuniperChill (talk) 19:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Fine by me. Now let's see a hook so I can approve it.--Launchballer 10:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Asik-Asik Falls

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Created by DarkNight0917 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 09:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

These are kind of what the falls are really known for, so I think that these would be more interesting. - DarkNight0917 (talk / contr) 23:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

new enough, long enough, image is fine, qpq done. some concerns:

  • on the verge of rejecting alt0; to discover something, by definition, has to be an accident.
  • rejecting alt1; not mentioned in article. also, readers won't know what it means for a waterfall to go viral. it was an image of the falls that went viral, and that's uninteresting, a lot of things go viral.
  • rejecting alt2; uninteresting (and probably undue to mention in the article).
  • alt3/4's source says that Where the water comes from is still a mystery. it's not visible, yes, but it's also not known, unless there's something i'm missing.
  • refs 2, 3, and 7 are travel guides/blogs; are these reliable?
  • It receives over 500 tourists on weekdays and 1,000 on weekends is cited to a 2014 source and probably outdated

  ltbdl☃ (talk) 07:30, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Don't know what's wrong with alt3 and 4, the blogs are reliable since these are usually for expansion and regularly do no harm in DYK. Fixed the outdated thing by adding a note. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 13:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TheNuggeteer: regularly do no harm? do you have examples? ltbdl☃ (talk) 17:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TheNuggeteer: If the article cites blogs with no kind of peer review or editorial process, ltbdl is right that those should be removed before appearing at DYK. Could that be addressed? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have removed the travel/blogs from the article and added material that was not in the article. Catfurball (talk) 21:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Sienna Green

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  • ... that at 193 centimetres (6 ft 4 in) tall, Australian Olympic water polo player Sienna Green is the tallest person in her family?
5x expanded by Schwede66 (talk) and 2603:7000:2101:AA00:5DFC:4931:AA8F:8FB5 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 155 past nominations.

Schwede66 11:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Any better hook than this? Being that tall isn't always uncommon depending on where you're from. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Schwede66: Pinging for possible additional hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I can't see a better hook than that. If we don't hear from 2603:7000:2101:AA00:5DFC:4931:AA8F:8FB5 within a few days, I suggest you close that. Schwede66 00:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  With no response from the IP and Schwede66 being open to a closure, it unfortunately seems that the article is not a good fit for DYK at this time given the lack of hooky material. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. I'll give it some thought. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:D919:443A:176C:AE5B (talk) 07:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • I've been musing about the concern that "Being that tall isn't always uncommon depending on where you're from." So I thought I would check.

While I'm not sure what "uncommon" is meant to be in that comment, this site indicates that a 6' 4" woman in Australia would be in the "Extremely Tall 99.999 Percentile". (By way of comparison, our article (for what it is worth) suggests that the average Australian woman 18+ a dozen years ago was a foot or so shorter[3] (N.B. - it also indicates that Australian women are among the tallest 20% in the world).)

She's also 19. Of US women at that age (wrong country, but according to our article, US women are a bit taller than Australian women), that would put her in the 99.9% percentile.

Not that we need more. But the hook does not simply reflect her height - which does given the above appear to be very much uncommon. But points to the fact that she is the tallest in her family. Lmk if you want me to look for evidence that it is, in addition, not common for a 19 year old girl to be the tallest in her family. There are studies that touch on the issue of a child's height relating to the parents' height, as well as there being a marked sex difference in height with women tending to be shorter than men,[4] but I haven't taken the time to find the best one, as I suspect what I've detailed may perhaps suffice.

All-in-all, I think that the assumption that led to the hook being rejected isn't in line with the evidence. Many thanks. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:F804:C954:1D4C:5D11 (talk) 03:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

The issue is that simply being the tallest in one's family is not by itself a hooky fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:03, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Of course it is not. But that ignores your original complaint above - which is what I've addressed directly above. You wrote: "Being that tall isn't always uncommon". I tend to think that being in the 99.999 percentile might, just perhaps, qualify as uncommon.

And, of course, the hook speaks to that fact, as well as the fact that she is the tallest in her family... it's clearly not, as you now suggest, only about her being the tallest in her family. I'm a but confused by your most recent comment. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:A13D:8F1E:26A2:8F66 (talk) 05:49, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Pinging User:Narutolovehinata5.2603:7000:2101:AA00:571:B2E5:C31C:BA89 (talk) 21:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I really don't think a "tallest person in her family" angle regardless of context is the best option here unfortunately. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:49, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Thanks. Up above, you gave as your rationale: "Being that tall isn't always uncommon ..." I've shown that to be untrue. As being in the in the 99.999 percentile is in fact uncommon. And on top of that - making the uncommonness even greater -- it is a girl who is the tallest in her family. Your response now - which remains the same even though your rationale was shown to not reflect reality - strikes me as perhaps a bit of IDONTLIKEIT. I wonder if perhaps we could call in another editor for their view? 2603:7000:2101:AA00:571:B2E5:C31C:BA89 (talk) 02:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
It is not based on IDONTLIKE it; rather, it is based on WP:DYKINT. Being the tallest in one's family may be a conversation starter, but it's not really hooky in the grand scheme of things, at least for Wikipedia purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Thanks for pointing to DYKINT. Because as DYKINT clearly states: "The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest." This fits. It's so unusual in fact - contrary to your initial incorrect assertion, which was the basis for your denial at the top of the page -- that fewer than 99.999% do not fit into her category. That's extraordinarily unusual, by any measure. Both because your reason for rejection at the top of the page is without basis, and because DYKINT calls for a hook that is likelyt to be perceived as unusual which this woman clearly is, can you please invite another editor to review this? Thanks. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:571:B2E5:C31C:BA89 (talk) 03:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Suggested althooks:
ALT1: ...that Sienna Green, her brother, mother, and father have all competitively played water polo?
ALT2: ...that Sienna Green began playing water polo because she saw it as a combination of basketball and swimming, her favourite sports?
Sienna Green might be a very leggy woman but I think it's best to focus on the sport she plays. Bremps... 06:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

ALT2 would actually be a better option than the height angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm fine with whatever hook the consensus supports. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:7C63:6AF8:15B6:1F0C (talk) 21:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  This still needs a full review. Owing to the problems with the original hook I've struck it, leaving ALT1 and ALT2 for consideration. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
To be fair Naruto -- I believe that the above discussion demonstrates that the problem suggested with the original hook was shown not to be fact-based, but rather based on the mistaken belief that "Being that tall isn't always uncommon." While the truth was demonstrated to be very much the opposite. But let's let the reviewer consider all three hooks and come to their view, rather than delete one that was shown to be baseless. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:51DF:B834:1672:242A (talk) 20:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

CyberJoly Drim

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Created by Piotrus (talk) and Asilvering (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 516 past nominations.

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • @Piotrus: You probably noticed by now I've rearranged the article so it's a bit more chronological. I've moved the publication dates out of the lead and into the body; these could probably cite the work itself but given what happened recently at Ácido Argentino I think it would be better if they were sourced. When this is done, I will review this.--Launchballer 11:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Should probably ping @Asilvering: just in case.--Launchballer 23:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Launchballer: I've added a cite to the single sentence which did not have it (after your c/e). Do let me know if anything else needs a cite. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:47, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig has no complaints. I see no reason why this might deserve a dispute tag. The hook is cited, interesting, and technically short enough, though is cruising for a pruning. If you're alright with the WP:DYKTRIMmed hook ALT0a: ... that the 1998 cyberpunk short story CyberJoly Drim caused a controversy in the Polish science fiction and fantasy community?, I'll approve this.--Launchballer 11:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Clay Webb

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  • ... that Clay Webb was named in a lawsuit concerning bullying that occurred when he was in high school?
  • ALT1: ... that Clay Webb once allegedly encouraged a minor to drink a bottle filled with Webb's semen? Source: [2]
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: I think the secondary hook grabs your attention more, but I can understand if it is denied because of the vulgar nature concerning it.
Created by TarheelBornBred (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TarheelBornBred (talk) 13:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

  @TarheelBornBred: This needs a new hook.--Launchballer 22:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Maybe ALT2: ... that Clay Webb, a five-star recruit from the class of 2019, was named a preseason All-American in 2024? [3] The interesting nature being that it took him from 2019 to 2024 which is an abnormally long stretch of time in college football already. Truthfully, I had the original hook in mind as the main selling point, but I can understand why it won't work. TarheelBornBred (talk) 16:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC).Reply
  Full review needed.--Launchballer 19:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  @TarheelBornBred: More of a comment for now rather than a review, but the issue with ALT2 is that it might not meet WP:DYKINT. A reader unfamiliar with college football and its intricacies may not get what "five-star recruit" and "All-American" are, especially if they are outside of America like the majority of readers. Ideally, a hook should be as understandable to as many people as possible without requiring too much context, and I don't think the hook meets that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Note that I have struck the original hook as the parts about the bullying are no longer in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TarheelBornBred: Please address the above.--Launchballer 20:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, this totally slipped my mind. Maybe to make it more understandable to readers unfamiliar with college football, the hook could be ALT 3: ...that Clay Webb, a top recruit for the college football class of 2019, was named a preseason candidate for a team of the best college football players in 2024? In my opinion this hook sounds a little more clear to those who might not understand college football. TarheelBornBred (talk) 23:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC).Reply
It's more understandable, but probably still too technical for general readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TarheelBornBred: Please address the above.--Launchballer 10:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Jackson, Lily (January 3, 2020). "Alleged high school prank, bullying leads to federal suit against former Oxford 5-star recruit". AL.com. Retrieved August 5, 2024.
  2. ^ Jackson, Lily (January 3, 2020). "Alleged high school prank, bullying leads to federal suit against former Oxford 5-star recruit". AL.com. Retrieved August 5, 2024.
  3. ^ Londergan, Joe (July 3, 2024). "Jacksonville State Gamecocks' Lineman Named Preseason All-American". Sports Illustrated. Retrieved August 5, 2024.


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Punam Krishan

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Krishan in 2021
Created by Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 243 past nominations.

Launchballer 11:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • I didn't know what a "locum GP" is. Maybe that's a good thing, as it makes the first hook more "hooky". But can you clarify that in the lead of the article? Eg you can write "is a Scottish locum general practitioner (GP) from Glasgow." Also, in "Early life and medical career" please also clarify what's a "locum"? Might be helpful to link to Locum#United Kingdom healthcare.VR (Please ping on reply) 13:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • We have a (somewhat execrable) article about what locum GPs are at sessional GP, a term I've never heard of. I've made some edits to the article.--Launchballer 19:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • The original hook is problematic: there's an implied cause and effect—because of the scandals, they've brought in a locum GP—that is nothing of the sort. So I think the special occasion request will need to drop as well. You'll need to fix the single quote marks in ALT1; curly punctuation is against the MOS on Wikipedia. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Proposed ALT1a above. I'm guessing that "the Strictly Come Dancing contestant" would qualify for WP:DYKTRIM, right?--Launchballer 00:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)Reply


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Ajah Pritchard-Lolo

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  • Source: Vanuatu Daily Post says she's the first female weightlifter; however, as per Olympedia, the nation has never had a male weightlifter, thus she is the first regardless of gender
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 236 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

  Full review needed now that QPQ has been provided.--Launchballer 20:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  @BeanieFan11: Long enough, new enough, QPQ done. Hook's short enough, cited, and interesting (though if I had my druthers we'd be calling the Vanuatu Daily Post out on its blatant sexism!). Forgive my ignorance, but both the article and source claim Ajay won three silver and a bronze and both say "Snatch, Clean & Jerk and total", even though these are three events. Do you mean "snatch, clean, jerk, and total" or something else? I see no further reason why this might deserve a maintenance template.--Launchballer 18:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
On a further look, I'm confused by this as well. There are three different events in weightlifting, the 'snatch', total, and the 'clean and jerk'; clean and jerk are not separate as far as I'm aware. We have an article on Weightlifting at the 2023 Pacific Games: it lists Pritchard-Lolo as having won medals in the three events – two silver (snatch, total) and a bronze (clean & jerk). Leaning towards changing it to that per this source from the competition. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Good idea.--Launchballer 11:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply


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Mokulubete Makatisi

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  • Source: Public Eye News ("Makatisi, 26, finished the race on position eight in the women’s commonwealth marathon last Saturday ... Makatisi’s mentor ... says his athlete has tried very hard despite the setback of having to run in new shoes which she began to use for the first time on the day of the race.")
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 237 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:   - Should clarify something like how late these shoes were and/or how much they're needed for running, but no other issues.
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Nom one week after creation and size 2330 B. Ref 4 ad 6 is broken, so I used [5] and [6]. @BeanieFan11: fix these issues and I'll approve. You may wanna update the article, but consider this optional. ミラP@Miraclepine 16:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Abortion in Africa, Abortion in Senegal, Abortion in Madagascar

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  • ... that in Africa, the only countries that have passed reproductive health laws without grounds for legal abortion are Senegal and Madagascar?
  • Source: [7] Eleven Sub-Saharan countries have passed reproductive health laws, and nine of them specify grounds for legal abortion (the exceptions are Senegal and Madagascar).
Moved to mainspace by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 17:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: I'm planning on reviewing this when I'm not falling asleep, however I suspect that any hook saying that they haven't passed a reproductive health law yet could fall foul of WP:DYKDEFINITE as they could theoretically pass one at any minute. I think this should be futureproofed. Also, I'll be looking to run all three in one hook, so I have closed the individual nom.--Launchballer 23:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: Please address the above.--Launchballer 08:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. I will review these in the morning.--Launchballer 19:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Human history

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    • Christian 2015, pp. 316, 400, "Dispersal over an unprecedented swath of the globe...coincided with an Ice Age...by the end of the era of climatic fluctuation, humans occupied almost all the habitats their descendants occupy today"
    • Pollack 2010, p. 93
  3. ^ Scott & Vare 2020, pp. 54–56
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Improved to Good Article status by Phlsph7 (talk) and Cerebellum (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.

Phlsph7 (talk) 11:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Not a review, but two friendly comments. First, Agricultural revolution in ALT0 is a disambiguation page (I'm guessing it refers to the First agricultural revolution, which redirects to Neolithic Revolution). Second, if it's possible to make a hook about life expectancy and/or child mortality, that could be a very interesting hook indeed—I know I found John Green's video "Most People Have Never Been 20" interesting. TompaDompa (talk) 12:26, 11 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Thanks for pointing this out, I fixed the link. A hook on changes to life expectancy could be interesting. I think the article only covers this in the sentence Advances in medical science led to a sharp increase in global life expectancy from about 31 years in 1900 to over 66 years in 2000.[552], which does not give us much to work with. Maybe:
    ALT3: ... that in modern human history, advances in medical science helped raise global life expectancy from about 31 years in 1900 to over 66 years in 2000.
    Phlsph7 (talk) 12:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • I'm not a big fan of ALT2, which is rather anachronistic: for most of human history, children did not live in societies in which "public education" was a meaningful concept. Given the wide scope of this article, I think a hook that encompasses a broad timescale would make the most sense. – Joe (talk) 11:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Many societies didn't really have public education so children didn't have access to it. Maybe you are concerned about something like the following: some readers may misconstrue the statement as implying that these societies did have public education but just not for most children. This is not what the hook says but it could happen. This problem could be solved by talking about formal education instead of public education but the claim in our article is about public education so this may not be acceptable according to the DYK rules. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
    What I mean is that 'public education' to be a meaningful concept there first needs to exist the idea of a formal education and a state that provides public services, neither of which existed for "most of human history". In other words I think the hook anachronistically implies that children were missing out on something that was not even conceptualisable until recently. Kind of like saying "for most of human history, satellites did not use reusable launch vehicles". Technically true, but not very meaningful. – Joe (talk) 09:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Can people miss out on something for which they lack the relevant concepts? For example, the ancient Egyptians didn't have the concept of antibiotics. Can we say that "the ancient Egyptians didn't have access to antibiotics"? To my ears, this sounds acceptable. But I'm also open to different ways of expressing the idea. Phlsph7 (talk) 10:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • ALT3 is not very well sourced. It cites page 1 of The Twentieth Century: A World History, which doesn't cite any sources for these figures, and a textbook on marketing for the "due to advances in medical science" part, which also doesn't cite a source for this claim. Neither source make it clear what specific measure of life expectancy they're using, but it's probably life expectancy at birth, which was largely a function of infant mortality in premodern societies and therefore the change involved more factors than just medical science (also improvements in public health, contraception, reduction of child poverty and malnourishment, etc). – Joe (talk) 11:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
    ALT3 is not my favorite either but I think the sources fulfill our requirements even though they themselves do not cite other sources for these claims. The hook says "helped raise" to not imply that there were no other factors. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
    I wouldn't say they fulfil the basic requirement of being reliable sources, in this context, per WP:EXCEPTIONAL. But this is probably best continued on the article talk page. – Joe (talk) 09:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
    adjusted hook per talk page discussion at Talk:Human_history#Increase_in_life_expectancy:
    Phlsph7 (talk) 07:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Jacques Lewis

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  • Source: "Believed to be the last surviving Frenchman to wade ashore with Americans, he was attached to an Army unit that stormed Utah Beach and helped drive Germans out of France."
NY Times
Created by Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 139 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 16:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC). ReviewReply

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:   - The NYT source does not support the hook as written because it only covers the US landings but there were British and Canadian beaches on D-Day too. A claim of first/last is a   Redflag and so needs excellent verification.
  • Interesting:  
  • Other problems:   - "Believed" is a weasel word and/or expression of doubt. If this is a definite fact, as it should be, then we should state it as such without such tentative language.

QPQ:   - Not provided yet. Note current discussions about limiting nominations on credit like this.
Overall:   I'm not sure of the formal status of translations but this review template asks Is the article free of material copied from other sources? and it isn't. The article seemed to need some copy-editing and so further work of that kind may soften the issue. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for your review. Will fix up shortly. Thriley (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

ALT1... that Jacques Lewis, a 105 year old French veteran of D-Day, insisted that he participate in a ceremony commemorating the invasion's 80th anniversary? Thriley (talk) 20:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Andrew Davidson: Have your concerns been addressed, and does this hook work? If not, what else needs to be done to get this approved? Z1720 (talk) 14:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
The QPQ has been done and the ALT1 hook seems ok. I raised the issue of translation at WT:DYK but, iirc, most responders didn't seem to be bothered about this.
Looking at the article, I notice that the lead is too short, being just one sentence, and there's just a generic section title of "Biography" which isn't helpful to the reader. So, some copy-editing still seems needed. I'll keep a tab open and make a pass through it myself to see if that helps or turns up any issues. More anon...
Andrew🐉(talk) 14:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply


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Madhavi (princess)

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  • ... that in Hindu mythology, Madhavi, who was blessed with the miraculous ability to regain her virginity after each childbirth, was married to three kings, each in exchange for 200 rare horses?
Created by Seyamar (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Seyamar(245CMR)💬📜 10:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Hammond's Hard Lines

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  • ... that depending on the edition, a fairy or a gremlin grants wishes to the titular character of Hammond's Hard Lines?
Created by Slgrandson (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

ALT1 as currently written is inaccurate: there are countless examples from anime and manga alone, let alone other genres of literature. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT1b: ... that Hammond's Hard Lines was one of the few school stories by a British author to feature fantasy in its plot? Source: Wotton, Joy; Auchmuty, Rosemary, eds. (2000). "Skelton Kuppord (Pseudonym for Sir John Adams)". The Encyclopaedia of School Stories. Ashgate. p. 211. ISBN 0-7546-0083-1. Retrieved 2024-09-08 – via Google Books Snippets. (Emphasis on the nationality this time; apologies if I didn't sign last time.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 03:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I really have doubts about this angle to be honest. It's a rather exceptional claim and thus needs exceptional sourcing, and I can't imagine that the hook is actually all that accurate, especially when Harry Potter exists. The term "few" in this case is also vague. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
It also has to be noted that the "by a British author" is not supported by the article or quote either, so unless that's resolved then ALT1b fails verification. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

William, Prince of Wales, in film and television

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William, Prince of Wales
Elevator pitch to increase appeal of subject matter

Many years ago, European royal families were the most powerful politicians of their countries. Compare that to today, where (aside from Pope Francis) royalty serve as figureheads in kingdoms such as Belgium and Sweden. Or, in the case of the United Kingdom, you have a family of princes as the ultimate form of soft power, appealing to the masses worldwide through their charity work and family milestones.

Arguably, nowhere is this soft power more popular (at least for now) than in the form of Prince William, on deck to be king of the birthplace of the English language, the Great White North, Down Under, and 12 other countries. By presenting this article on Did you know, readers will learn much more about the public's fascination with this prince on the big screen and small screen alike. From two films on his wedding to a documentary on his advocacy for climate change, there will be plenty of intrigue and critique that will not disappoint!

Finally, as a more serious comment, I would like to note that this page's parent article appeared on Did you know less than a year ago as of this post. If this affects eligibility, please let me know.

Created by AndrewPeterT (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 04:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

References

  1. ^ Reynolds, Simon (20 April 2011). "Vanessa Redgrave to voice the Queen in 'Cars 2'". Digital Spy. Sky Digital. Retrieved 18 August 2024.
  2. ^ Hill, Erin (16 January 2024). "Kate Middleton and Prince William's True Feelings About The Crown Revealed". People. Dotdash Meredith. Archived from the original on 28 February 2024. Retrieved 18 August 2024.
  3. ^ Robinson, Abby; Knight, Lewis (19 December 2023). "The Crown season 6 cast: Full list of actors and characters". RadioTimes.com. Immediate Media Company Ltd. Retrieved 18 August 2024.
  4. ^ Ward, Kate (11 May 2011). "'South Park' spoofing Royal Wedding tonight. What other current events should it parody?". Entertainment Weekly. Dotdash Meredith. Archived from the original on 27 July 2024. Retrieved 18 August 2024.
  5. ^ Scheck, Frank (22 July 2017). "'Diana: Our Mother: Her Life and Legacy': TV Review". The Hollywood Reporter. Eldridge Industries. Archived from the original on 26 February 2024. Retrieved 18 August 2024.
  6. ^ Mackelden, Amy (1 September 2017). "10 Things We Learned About Princess Diana and Her Death from Diana, 7 Days". Harper's Bazaar. Hearst Magazine Media, Inc. Archived from the original on 28 July 2024. Retrieved 18 August 2024.

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Joe Wirkkunen

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  • Reviewed: Grace Panvini and Robert Aiello
  • Comment: I volunteer two QPQ credits for one nomination, to help reduce the backlog of nominations without reviews.
Created by Flibirigit (talk) and WheatenOdin51 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 155 past nominations.

Flibirigit (talk) 17:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   I have some concern about the roundabout way the citation verifies the hook. Presently, I think there are two logical leaps being made from "sought suggestions from the local hockey community, and Joe's name was recommended" → "receiving a recommendation from Canada?" and then "Finland was searching for a Finnish speaking instructor with knowledge of the Canadian ice hockey system." → "coached the Finland men's national ice hockey team" connected by the "after receiving" makes it sound like the coaching position was directly a result from the recommendation from Canada. Bobby Cohn (talk) 17:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm okay with Canada being a stand-in for "local community" (we're small, I get it; and it is limited at DYK) but the implied timeline seems like a bit of a stretch, but could be easily remedied. Suggested alternative: ALT1: "... that Joe Wirkkunen, after receiving a recommendation from Canada, would go on to coach the Finland men's national ice hockey team?" just to clarify. Bobby Cohn (talk) 17:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Another opinion is needed for ALT1 since neither I nor the original reviewer are eligible to approve it. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 00:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Bobby Cohn and Flibirigit: Neither the article nor the source say where he was recommended from. It just says "to former Canadian Amateur Hockey Association president Frank Sargent".--Launchballer 09:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
The source states "from the local hockey community", which is Port Arthur, where both Wirkkunen and Sargent resided and were involved in hockey. I have added that specific phrase to the article. Flibirigit (talk) 00:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Vollpension

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Vollpension staff
  • ... that Vollpension employs grandpas and grandmas (pictured) to bake cakes according to their own recipes, and during the COVID-19 pandemic offered live baking-courses from elders across the world?
  • Source: "In 2020, at the height of coronavirus pandemic, the Vollpension launched the 'world’s first Grandma Baking School'. BakAdemy is an online platform that offers on-demand, live baking courses taught by the cafe’s elderly staff, helping to spreading their knowledge and recipes worldwide.." [8]
  • ALT1: ... that Vollpension provides additional income and generation-bridging interaction to Viennese grandpas and grandmas (pictured) by employing them to bake and serve their own cakes?
  • Source: "But it is also a highly successful experiment in 'social good' or 'social entrepreneurship,' a commercially sustainable way to provide much-needed extra income. Equally important, it provides friendly generation-bridging interaction for older people who may otherwise feel lonely or isolated." [9]
  • ALT2: ... that the Viennese café Vollpension (employees pictured) addresses poverty and loneliness in elders by employing them to bake and serve their own cakes?
  • Source: "Beyond being a cafe, however, the Vollpension is seen as a statement against social issues such old-age poverty and loneliness.." [10]
  • Reviewed: Agnes Crane
  • Comment: QPQ is coming. Alternative hooks suggestions are welcome!
Created by Surtsicna (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 181 past nominations.

Surtsicna (talk) 22:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • @Surtsicna: Per a recent WT:DYK discussion, there has been loose consensus to change the rules so that a QPQ now needs to be provided at the time of the nomination, instead of up to a week after. Please provide a QPQ at the earliest opportunity, otherwise the nomination is liable to be closed as incomplete without warning. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, Narutolovehinata5. I'm on it! Surtsicna (talk) 20:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Done. I was not aware of the rule change. It seems perfectly reasonable. Surtsicna (talk) 20:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Italian Campaign of 1796-1797

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Created by Sir MemeGod (talk) (translator) and 151.82.192.215 (talk) (who made the Italian page). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC).Reply


  •   @Sir MemeGod: a few things need straightening out here:
  • There are a lot of Harvard errors in the citations and referencing. If you haven't already, I suggest installing this script to catch and fix them.
  • The two sources cited here are not really up to the bar of WP:RS. We need published works, ideally in print, by people acknowledged as experts in their field. Fortunately, Napoleon is not short of people who have written good academic work about him.
  • The hooks need to be explicitly stated within the article itself: neither of these two seem to be.

I would suggest giving the article a fix for the citations, and then looking for two or three good facts from within it for which you have good sources already cited. I notice you've written that it's a translation, so make sure that these are from works that you can access to verify the citation. UndercoverClassicist T·C 13:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply


1. "...that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 ended with the Treaty of Campo Formio?"
1b. Source: https://www.britannica.com/event/Treaty-of-Campo-Formio#:~:text=Treaty%20of%20Campo%20Formio%2C%20(October,Napoleon%20Bonaparte's%20first%20Italian%20campaign.
2. "...that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 was led by Napoleon?" (Kind of generic, I know)
2b. Source: https://www.worldhistory.org/Napoleon's_Italian_Campaign/
2c. Source:https://www.pbs.org/empires/napoleon/n_war/campaign/page_1.html#:~:text=First%20Italian%20Campaign%2C%201796%2D97,Piedmontese%2C%20then%20conquer%20each%20separately. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 15:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply



Sources (which I've checked WP:RS/PS for reliability):
1. https://www.pbs.org/empires/napoleon/n_war/campaign/page_1.html (passes WP:RS/PS)
2. https://www.britannica.com/event/French-revolutionary-wars/Campaign-in-Italy (there is no consensus, but the information is non-controversial, so it should be fine)
Also, printed books shouldn't be a requirement, if it's stated from a RS then it should be fine. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • They're not a requirement, but most of the websites you had been citing weren't good RSs for historical information -- I think Britannica is fine; PBS is acceptable but not great for history: we can trust their integrity, but they don't claim any real academic expertise or credibility. I think the most recent ALT (which I've labelled ALT0) is good; I've taken the liberty of making some minor edits for concision and markup. Hook is in the article, but the reference doesn't quite check: PBS give the two week figure as the combined total for Montenotte and Mondovi. UndercoverClassicist T·C 17:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Lovely stuff. A few copyright issues:

Not strictly required, but as we're going to be directing many readers from the main page to this article, it would be good to have alt text on the images for the benefit of blind people using screen readers. UndercoverClassicist T·C 18:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Request new reviewer, reviewer has not responded in 4 days. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Happy to respect that request, though I note for the future reviewer that the source information on File:Bonaparte di Edouard Detaille.jpg is still insufficient. Good luck with the nomination. UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Just noting that this needs a full review, as one does not appear to have been done.--Launchballer 09:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Liebigs Annalen

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Reconrabbit 15:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

1961 Pittsburg State Gorillas football team

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Head coach Carnie Smith with All-Americans Gary Snadon and Harlan Hess and the UPI national championship trophy
  • ... that the undefeated 1961 Pittsburg State Gorillas (pictured with UPI trophy) shut out seven opponents, featured four All-Americans and won three national championships?
  • Source: Seven shutouts: here

Four All-Amerians: Snadon here, Archer, Beal, Hess here

Three national championships: UPI national small college champion (here), NAIA national champion (here), and AP small college national champion (here).
5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 375 past nominations.

Cbl62 (talk) 11:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Post-tuberculosis lung disease

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Healed tuberculous cavity
Created by Buidhe (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 249 past nominations.

(t · c) buidhe 06:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Abortion in Guinea

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  • Source: [11] [my translation] For this legal journalist, the Guinean penal code cannot condemn a woman who has had an abortion.
Moved to mainspace by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 04:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: Please address the above.--Launchballer 09:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Serekunda, Kanifing

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Downtown Serekunda
  • Source: [13] Banjul, Gambia's capital city, is positioned on St. Mary's Island at the mouth of the River Gambia and long ago reached its residential carrying capacity. Adjacent Serekunda has accommodated the overflow.
5x expanded by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 00:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:   - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting:  
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   I don't see the article as new, needs an explanation. The hook is a book source so AGF. I see multiple un-broad sentences, like about the dictator's rule, which isn't related to the city (only a tiny bit). 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 23:42, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Good explanation, changing. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 00:46, 23 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Source: Same as before

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 22:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • Note: reviewer needed to review second article, Kanifing, and the new ALT1 hook with both articles included. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Kanifing review
      Article was expanded from 1761 characters/288 words to 8988 characters/1422 words. This is on the border of x5 expansion, and some copyediting may bring this down. There are some paraphrasing concerns. The lead has "Kanifing is a municipality in the Gambia, to the west of Banjul...It includes Serrekunda, the largest urban area in the Gambia", which is very close to "Kanifing, a local government area, lies to the west of Banjul, the capital. It includes Serrekunda, the largest urban area in the country". "It has the largest population of any of the districts in the Gambia" in the lead is very similar to "Kanifing municipality has the largest population of any administrative district in the country" of the same source. "Kanifing is the most densely populated part of the Gambia" in the body is very similar to the same source's "making it the most densely populated area in The Gambia". "In 1991, it became the Kanifing Municipal Council" seems taken from "In 1991, KUDC was given the status of a municipal council, becoming Kanifing Municipal Council (KMC)", "Kanifing and Banjul comprise the Greater Banjul Area" is "Kanifing and the City of Banjul together form the Greater Banjul Area", both also from this source. There may be other areas, I have not checked every place this was cited. Some of these might be fine on their own as basic information, but seeing so many examples demonstrates the paraphrasing is too close. (While I cannot access many of the sources used here, I could access this waste management one, which does not seem closely paraphrased in the same way.) A related aside, the "Senegalese people comprise 92% of these" in the article is wrongly contextualised, the source notes 92% is for all of The Gambia, not just Kanifing. Talib Ahmed Bensouda's political party does not seem to be in the mentioned source.
    I have not re-checked the Serekunda article other than to check the hook. While I am not sure what "overtaking its status" in the body there means, the main point in the hook is supported. I find the hook interesting. A second QPQ was completed. CMD (talk) 10:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • @Chipmunkdavis: I've made tweaks to the prose to address the paraphrasing issues. I've kept the sentence "Kanifing and Banjul comprise the Greater Banjul Area" since I really don't think there's a more concise phrasing of that, and I don't know how to rephrase "the most densely populated part of the Gambia" while staying faithful to the source. I've checked for close paraphrasing from other sources and I believe I have addressed everything. Also removed the wrong statistic about refugees, thanks for pointing that out.
      As for article length, it has been expanded much more than fivefold since the expansion began. The prose size as of the revision before my edits was 561 B. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 16:00, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
      You're right on the expansion, I was calculating one diff off, so my concern about length was mistaken. On the paraphrasing, there is still some rewriting needed. Shifting a few words doesn't remove the text echoing the source in style and structure. Shifting from saying the area has most of the country's coastal resorts and hotels to saying it has most of the country's hotels and coastal resorts does not read as a new piece of writing. "Youth unemployment (those aged 15–35 years) is 6.5%, lower than many districts in the country" should not be copied with a small change to "youth unemployment rate is 6.5%, lower than most of the country". The shifting of the "It includes Serrekunda" sentence did not affect its structure being lifted from the source. The salient information should be extracted from the source, not the sentences or structure. For example, the article currently has the text "...people who are 15 or older...and 254,337 who are unemployed". I've just realised that that figure doesn't match the preceding figures, so please check that, but whatever the figure is, that is a place that information about youth unemployment would naturally fit, say "Of workers between 15 and 35, just 6.5% are unemployed." CMD (talk) 17:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
      More tweaks made, though it may be imperfect as I'm multitasking right now. Kept the phrasing "lower than most of the country" since it's more precise than just saying it's "low". I can't think of a better phrasing for the sentence about hotels. Thanks for putting in more effort than most DYK reviewers would. And thanks for pointing out the unemployment statistic; that's the kind of blunder that happens when I've stared at PDFs with tables for a bit too long. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 18:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
      @Chipmunkdavis: I have gone through the article and sources again and I think there are no more issues with close paraphrasing. Do you think the article meets DYK criteria now? — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 21:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • Thanks for the expansion. I'm still uneasy about passing with the structural similarities identified, which have not changed in the edits. I asked at WT:DYK for a second opinion but haven't heard back. In the meantime, would you be willing to request an edit at WP:GOCER? CMD (talk) 06:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
        Sure, yeah, I think requesting a copyedit is a good idea. I'll do that. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 16:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
        Since the issues were with close paraphrasing and weren't answered at WT:DYK before the request was archived, I'm going to ping Nikkimaria to see whether she thinks the issues have been sufficiently addressed, since she's an expert on this sort of thing. With a two-month maximum nomination duration having become a hard and fast rule at DYK, requesting a copyedit at GOCE is no longer a feasible option at DYK, since such requests take an average of over three months to be completed. At the moment, there are still pending requests from May 2024. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • I don't have access to all of the sources, but do see some minor issues among those that I have available. If there is concern about rephrasing while remaining faithful to the source, more use could be made of direct quotation. For example, Since women were banned from regular services in 2003 could be replaced with the quote "Since women were banned from the Markaz in 2003". 02:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Daniela Larreal

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  • ... that although cyclist Daniela Larreal thought in 2004 that she would only have a few more years in her career, she was preparing for the 2016 Summer Olympics when forced into exile?
  • Source: Sources in article
5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 131 past nominations.

Kingsif (talk) 20:44, 20 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

@Kingsif: Note that if a subject is featured on ITN under Recent deaths, it remains eligible for DYK. DYK ineligibility only applies to bolded links in blurbs (so for example, Paetongtarn Shinawatra is ineligible for DYK for one year after the blurb was posted), but not to Recent deaths entries. With that in mind, are you sure you want to withdraw the nomination instead of allowing it to proceed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  @Narutolovehinata5: If that's the case, happy to proceed with it, and I've struck my last comment. Kingsif (talk) 15:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Public image of JB Pritzker

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Created by Microplastic Consumer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Microplastic Consumer (talk) 22:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Hooks about opinions usually require some kind of attribution. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
There are essentially hundreds of JB Pritzker fan accounts, some of whom who have received media coverage (See sources linked here and in the article). "Nomadic Warriors for Pritzker" is one of this accounts, and refers to Pritzker as the "Great Khan" Microplastic Consumer (talk) 12:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Maybe something like ALT2 ... that JB Pritzker has been nicknamed the "Great Khan of the Midwest" by supporters? would work then? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Reply


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Jools Lebron

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Launchballer 16:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Arekia Bennett

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Created by CaptainAngus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

CaptainAngus (talk) 16:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Two alternative hooks below:
ALT1: ...that despite intending to become a physics teacher, Arekia Bennett turned to civic activism due to her political concerns regarding reproductive rights and the electoral process?
Additional source for ALT1: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/25/us/freedom-summer-mississippi-votes.html “This is about creating a culture of civic engagement, not just during the election season. We want people to understand the political landscape and be involved on and off the clock,” said Ms. Bennett, a Jackson State University graduate who wanted to be a physics teacher before turning to civic activism.
ALT2: ...that voting-rights activist Arekia Bennett based a 2017 mass voter registration effort in Mississippi on Freedom Summer?
Source for ALT2: https://jacksonadvocateonline.com/ms-votes-the-next-generation-of-freedom-fighters-are-here/ “In 2017, [the organization] started to test this theory of what it means to do mass voter registration in the same ways that folks did during Freedom Summer,” says Bennett.
CaptainAngus (talk) 01:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • I'm not sure about these hooks either: #1 are very common reasons for political activism in the US and #2 is a commonly cited inspiration for voter registration. (t · c) buidhe 02:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Additional alternative hooks below:
ALT2a: ...that voting-rights activist Arekia Bennett aimed to recreate Freedom Summer, Mississippi's 1964 voter registration drive, in 2017?
Source for ALT2a: https://jacksonadvocateonline.com/ms-votes-the-next-generation-of-freedom-fighters-are-here/ “In 2017, [the organization] started to test this theory of what it means to do mass voter registration in the same ways that folks did during Freedom Summer,” says Bennett.
ALT3: ...that Arekia Bennett is focused on voting rights for Mississippi citizens including young queer people and children who have gone through the juvenile justice system?
Source for ALT3: https://www.djournal.com/mississippi-today/the-story-behind-the-technology-that-mississippi-votes-uses-to/article_8fe12716-715e-56e3-9a32-fc3a38f033e8.html Arekia Bennett throws herself into a chair in front of a dark red accent wall and rattles off a list of positions she hopes to fill as quickly as possible at Mississippi Votes, the nonprofit she has led as executive director for almost a year. <break> More specifically, they focus on people ages 18 to 35 as well as young queer people and people who have experienced the juvenile justice system.
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...Well, Better Than the Alternative

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Koopastar (talk) 02:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

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Maryvonne Le Dizès

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Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   This will need a new hook per WP:DYKINT, as the hook as currently written is not likely to be perceived as interesting or unusual by people without specialist knowledge. It is reliant on names and knowledge unknown to most readers, and her writing the trio is part of her job and may not meet scrutiny from other reviewers. My suggestion would be to propose a hook about her being the first woman to win the Paganini Competition (which is an exceptional claim, but shouldn't be hard to prove), while adding context about the competition for the benefit of general readers. A hook about her quote "Teaching is as vital to me as playing my instrument. I cannot teach if I do not play, and I cannot play without teaching." might also work. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:02, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Kindly read the article (or just the hook). She didn't compose as far as we know. The competition is just one of those "first" hooks we were told to avoid. The special thing about her - compared to other violinists - is that she played in this influential ensemble of contemporary music, and people who don't know it get a chance to change that. Being of influence in the composition of new works is a more unusual contribution to world culture than winning a competition, and the combination of instruments is unusual as well. She devoted her life to contemporary music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@CurryTime7-24 and Launchballer: Do you see anything in the article that could work as a hook? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@CurryTime7-24, Launchballer, ScottishFinnishRadish, and Valereee: Please look and also read above. As you may have read on my talk, she - whom I also didn't know - became dear to me. Did you know should be about something people don't know, imho. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:03, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I was going to suggest something like "that when Maryvonne Le Dizes became the first woman and first foreigner to enter the Carnegie Hall competition, she was performing less to focus on her children" on the grounds that they'll keep a record of all its competitors, so there's little danger of us being proved wrong. I'm not seeing how the source backs up that her appearance took place in that time period though. I could also recommend "that the violinist Maryvonne Le Dizes "cannot play without teaching"" but that seems less than reverent.--Launchballer 09:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the ideas! In order to run a beauty contest, better format them in a way that a promoter could take them without changes. I hope that we can get "contemporary music" in because that's truly what distinguishes her from most violinists with a DYK that I met. Fewer performances because of children is no surprise. Finding teaching essential as nothing that could be said only about her. For examples:
ALT3: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès, the first woman to win the Paganini Competition, became a long-term violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain?
ALT4: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès, the first woman to win the Paganini Competition, became a long-term violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain run by Pierre Boulez?
Pierre Boulez, featured article, centenary next year, is a name that Main page readers should know. However: He will be TFA on his centenary next year, - why promote him? Same for the other with whom she collaborated there, György Ligeti, centenary last year and celebrated. (Remember Le Grand Macabre)? So why promote him? The composer I found has a decent article and should be known more. Commissioning new music is unusual, and should be known more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Probably not a popular opinion, but I feel modifying ALT 3 and 4 thusly would be the best solution here:
ALT1: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès was the first woman to win the Paganini Competition?
"Long-term violinist" doesn't sound idiomatic. (It reminded me in passing of "Part-Time Lover"!) To you and me, working with the EC and Boulez is a big deal, but to the average person who would potentially read those hooks, it means nothing. Another ALT just came to me after re-reading the article...
ALT2: ... that for the violinist Maryvonne Le Dizès, "teaching was as vital as playing [her] instrument"?Source: Ibid.
I get where Gerda is coming from, but I feel the most successful hooks rely on exactly the sort of facts that she wants to avoid here. Whereas her preference to mention Le Dizès' work in modern music seems to me a tough sell for the casual reader unaware of classical music. Of course, what do I know? Please feel free to disagree! ;) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the ALTs and especially for thinking.
"tough sell" - I am not here to sell but to inform, and that goes for the Main page as for articles. I am here to inform about the less known topics, about minorities, and want a place for those, and that goes for the Main page as well. I am here for team spirit, and like her being part of an ensemble most of all, not a virtuoso soloist. I want to give some idea of this to the reader of the one sentence who will not click. Please find a way. - I renamed your ALTs because they were the ideas from above, - why I began with ALT3.
ALT3a: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès, the first woman to win the Paganini Competition, became violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I could also call it ALT1a, trying not to leave the impression of her with good old virtuoso Paganini and competition winning alone. Repeating: she dedicated her life to contemporary music, and the name of the ensemble shows that elegantly. ALT1 requires knowledge of Paganini having been a violinist to deduce that she was a violinist, - isn't that asking too much from our general audience? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  full review needed :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  The article was nominated five days after creation and is long enough and adequately sourced. The sourcing is largely independent and reliable, and is adequate. Right now Earwig gives me the "Too Many Requests" error so I will return to this and check for close paraphrasing once that is done. A QPQ has been provided. ALT2 is probably the cutest hook here and thus the best option, because it's somewhat surprising and isn't reliant on deep knowledge of classical music. ALT1 is the second-best option here: I know "first" hooks are not well-received on DYK these days, but this is an example that's easy to verify and thus does not require extraordinary evidence: if a full list of competition winners can be provided and added to the article, that should suffice for sourcing. I would also suggest modifying ALT1 to give brief context on the competition for the benefit of general readers. As much as Gerda is partial to ALT3 and variants, CurryTime has a point that it may be too focused on appealing to classical music fans instead of general readers. This will be given final approval once Earwig is working again. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  I think that I clearly said that I won't accept any hook that doesn't show that she was dedicated to contemporary music and ensemble playing. Give minorities a place on the Main page, please ;) - ALT3a has the"first woman" aspect, so offers general appeal. The words "ensemble" and "intercontemporain" are clear to any reader, not "reliant on deep knowledge of classical music". Please think about it. ALT2 is cute, correct, but nothing about her specific accomplishments. It could be said by almost any music teacher giving lessons. CurryTime7-24 has not yet commented on ALT3a. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:16, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Gerda, this is a recurring issue with your nominations: you assume too much about general readership's knowledge of classical music. A general reader would almost certainly not know what a "intercontemporain" is (especially when it's a French term). CurryTime has a point and has already said his piece: the best option here is the angle that appeals to general readers, even if they are not necessarily what you want. WP:DYKINT is clear on this: the hook has to be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing to people lacking specialist knowledge. ALT2 is an easy to understand and catchy hook that does not require specialist knowledge. ALT3 and its variants require knowledge of the Paganini Competition and the Ensemble intercontemporain, which only a minuscule fraction of our readership have. You are essentially pleading for an IAR exemption to DYKINT given that you would rather push for a hook that primarily appeals to you rather than to general readership. Gerda, I understand that you are an expert on classical music, but again, I have to repeat that very few others who are going to read the article are, and even your fellow classical music expert CurryTime prefers a more generalist hook. I have already given my thoughts, and based on WP:DYKINT and other factors, I will only be approving ALT2.
In any case, I was able to make Earwig work and there is an issue: excluding the quote, I am seeing some similarities with the wording at this link. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
It is a recurring issue with your reviews. You seem to not have read my post above. Trying to be patient: The first part of ALT3 has already the general appeal you want. The second part doesn't require any knowledge. "Ensemble" is even an English word. "intercontemporain" is close enough to "contemporary". People not interested in that part can simply be attracted by the first part, but we can come closer to her key interests in a few words. Please consider. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
It is something I have repeatedly brought up because it is something that keeps occurring. It has been an issue for several years, one raised by multiple editors, and one that contributes to classical music hooks generally underperforming in terms of readership. It also contributed to the current wording of WP:DYKINT following an RfC that originated from a similar case. I have already considered ALT3 and its variants, and ultimately, ALT2 is a better option. Even if we go with ALT1, with just the Paganini Competition angle, additional context would have to be added for readers to understand why the competition is a big deal. We cannot just simply rely on them clicking on the link: they need to get the context right from the start. I am open to approving a version of ALT1 with additional context, but ALT3 and variants are simply non-starters. You are assuming too much of a general reader.
The general reader will not easily make the "intercontemporain" = contemporary connection, and the hook does not even make it clear that 1. The Ensemble intercontemporain is the name of a specific group, and 2. that it is a big deal. ALT3 relies too much on specialist information, ALT2 is easy to understand. It may not necessarily be "specific" to her, but it's far more likely to achieve your goal of having readers learn more about Le Dizès. A hook like ALT2 is more likely to have more people read her article and learn about her achievements like joining the ensemble contemporain, than a hook that will just confuse readership and drive readers away (a recurring issue with classical music hooks that are reliant on specialist knowledge).
In any case, the close paraphrasing issue will still need to be addressed regardless of hook, so if that cannot be addressed, this whole discussion is moot anyway. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I disagree with the Paganini Competition "context would have to be added for readers to understand why the competition is a big deal". For the Olympics, you would not say so, right? Any competition with an article is notable. Any ensemble with an article is notable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I've done some rewriting. I don't know if there is another way to write "a string trio by Jean-Baptiste Devillers, a trio for saxophone, trombone and violin by Gilbert Amy". CMD (talk) 07:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
You mean that Earwig is not working for you, or what? - CMD: no, "some person's work" does not have to be changed. It's not phrasing by an author that would need protection. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   Thank you. Now that the paraphrasing issues are approved, ALT2 only is approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
      We can do two things now. I believe that she is too special to have a hook that could have been said by any school music teacher at any time in any culture, while the Paganini competition would at least credit her as "high achiever" in an "international competition" and present some time frame. To me ALT2 is almost meaningless without context, and highly unspecific. I can withdraw, or find a different reviewer, CurryTime perhaps. I try the latter. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
As a compromise, would you be okay with the following hook then?
ALT4 ... that for Maryvonne Le Dizès, who became the first woman to win the Paganini Competition in 1962, "teaching was as vital as playing [her] instrument"?
As I mentioned above, the Ensemble intercontemporain angle is a non-starter. Also pinging CurryTime7-24 for his thoughts, as requested. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT4 doesn't work as explained above. We can't expect that people will gather from the competition's name or article that she was a violinist, and "[her] instrument" - besides being clumsy - makes no sense if we don't know which instrument that was. I also seem not to have been clear about that some form of "contemporary music" is a must for me in her case, because it sets her apart from all other violinist I have met on Wikipedia. I think that CurryTime may understand that--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I did not find it clear from the current article that contemporary music was a particular passion. I have added a bit from one source, but also see various bits in this source (French) which help express that too. Perhaps adding that to the article would help. Reading that source, I do think there is merit to mentioning the Paganini competition in the hook, as she states a meeting because of it was one of her best memories (mes plus beaux souvenirs), and this source feels it important enough for the sub-headline. For any hook, we could append "violinist" or "contemporary violinist" before her name at the least. CMD (talk) 12:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT4a ... that for contemporary violinist Maryvonne Le Dizès, who became the first woman to win the Paganini Competition in 1962, "teaching was as vital as playing [her] instrument"?
@Chipmunkdavis: Like that? What are your thoughts on the Ensemble intercontemporain angle? It's 172 characters though which is already making the hook rather long, maybe longer than necessary. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
There's also another possible angle, which would be only to focus on the Paganini Competition angle, but with additional context. The context, however, would need to be added to the article as well:
ALT5 ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès was the first woman to win the Paganini Competition, one of the world's most prestigious violin competitions?
The year is probably unnecessary since it would add too much complexity to the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Some sources do seem to highlight her contemporary music. "I am passionate about working with composers," Le Dizès said in a 1998 interview of why she chose to make contemporary music her life. "Being able to discuss a score with its author, seeing together what is possible or not, trying to realize it with them." from [15] for example. I don't know if mentioning the ensemble specifically is necessary, but hopefully mentioning she is a contemporary violinist will suffice for that angle. CMD (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I like ALTs 4a and 5. And thank you to Narutolovehinata5 for making an effort to celebrate musicianship in hooks. This makes a nice change from on the one hand seeing music hooks in which too many facts are squeezed (instead of being simple lead-ins to the article which has all the facts) and on the other hand hooks which treat musicianship as if it were something to hide like a skeleton in a cupboard. So if 4a and 5 are where this discussion is set to end, then congratulations to both of you. Storye book (talk) 14:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the efforts! Sorry, I'm not there yet. ALT4: "contemporary violinist" means no more than that she is playing in our time, not what she is playing. Also the timing is sort of wrong, - first she won that competition, and decades later she was a teacher, while this "who became" sounds to me as if it came later. ALT5: no, we don't have to tell readers this "most prestigious" stuff. They know or can find out. We could also say that she played in the "ensemble intercontemporain, one of the most prestigious ensembles for contemporary music", but it's a waste of characters. We wouldn't speak of the "Olympic Games, one of the most prestigious sports tournaments". Let's trust that our readers know to use a link. I still believe that ALT3a is our best choice so far, because it combines a pinnacle early moment - thank you, CMD! - with what she played and recorded for decades, collaborating with some the greatest composers in the field. . Improving the article is most welcome. I worked on Friedrich Schorlemmer for hours, and now comes a Bach cantata for its 300th birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I see nothing wrong with ALT3a - I ignored it only because when I commented, it had already been struck out. I think, to be fair to both sides of the above polarised arguments, we should unstrike ALT3a to give a fair choice for the promoter. Storye book (talk) 16:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
The issue here is that ALT3a simply fails WP:DYKINT: it is unlikely to be perceived as interesting or unusual to readers without specialist knowledge. ALT3a is reliant on knowing the ensemble, which I imagine even most classical music fans do not know. CurryTime already said it would be preferrable to not use that angle, while CMD said something similar. Three people (myself and two other editors) have either objected to that angle or would prefer something else, so that is already a non-starter. I understand that the ensemble is close to Gerda's heart, but as I've mentioned in many nominations prior: the interests of readership are more important than that of the nominator. ALT4a fits DYKINT better since the primary point (the quote) is not reliant on knowledge that most readers do not have. It is also somewhat of a compromise: it mentions the competition, but does not make it the highlight and thus is not as reliant on specialist knowledge as ALT3a or any variants thereof. One could argue that explaining the ensemble would improve ALT3a, but the thing is, even if that's done, there's already a more suitable option in ALT4a. I imagine more people will click on the article if ALT4a is used than if it's ALT3a.
To back up my point about how DYKINT and appealing to general readers helps, when Maxim Berezovsky ran on DYK this month, it got 8,848 views. This is above average for a Gerda nomination, and that's taking into account that it wasn't even in the image slot. By contrast, in the past, when Gerda's hooks that followed her preferred style or facts ran, they were usually among the worst-viewed hooks of the month, getting around 2,000 to 3,000 views per run. The hook used a fact that was more likely to appeal to general audiences, rather than specifically to classical music buffs. By using a generalist hook, more people ended up reading more about Berezovsky than would have happened otherwise. If Gerda wants to highlight her prowess in the violin and her achievements, it may seem paradoxical, but a generalist hook intended to make people interested in reading her article (and thus meeting DYKINT), as opposed to just simply showing off her highlights without additional context, is more likely to do that than a specialist hook.
In any case, if we are to go with ALT5, the fact about the competition being among the most prestigious needs to be in Le Dizès's article, as right now it's only in the competition article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:21, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I patiently disagree. It is not a specialist hook. ALT3a is not reliant on knowing the ensemble, it is not reliant on knowing the importance of the ensemble. It tells any reader that - after winning that prize - she went into ensemble playing, which is almost quirky and says much more about her than the prize alone. It tells people who know the ensemble a bit more, and it tells people who know that it is one of the "most prestigious" ensembles of contemporary music, possibly the most prestigious ensemble, yet a bit more, and I like that. See also my story on Schoenberg's 150th birthday, with a 2010 hook and a 2014 hook, - the latter a hook about his 40th birthday on his 140th birthday (review). I'm quite proud of that ;) - (I didn't even try for this year. imagine why. I brought him to OTD instead.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Given that they are knowledgeable about DYKINT, asking Launchballer to weigh in on the hooks, and if possible to give this nomination a tick so this can move forward already. In the interest of compromise, I am asking Launchballer to check ALT3a, ALT4a, and ALT5, although for now I am leaving ALT3a struck unless Launchballer says it can proceed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not sure how comfortable I am signing off on ALT3a or ALT5a per WP:FIRSTWOMAN. ALT4 technically needs an end-of-sentence citation, but it's all part of the same quote so I'm happy to IAR. However, I think we should fix the "needs IPA" tag before this runs.--Launchballer 16:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Launchballer|, sources factually say she was the first woman. It's just a fact. You may also look at the original hook which didn't have that, - I came up with it only because of the want for something for the general readership who allegedly can't be impressed by commissioning new music. I never heard of IPA as a requirement for DYK, - not even FA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I won't accept ALT5a, as explained above. We don't have to say a competition is prestigious, not even in the article. We cut out "distinguished" conductors and other POV adjectives. Any competition with an article is notable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I believe you may have misread the policy I quoted. I have no objection whatsoever to mentioning "first woman"; it just should not be the first thing we say about her. (To correct my earlier typo, by ALT5a I meant ALT5 - at time of writing there is no ALT5a.) There is no requirement for IPA to be in an article but clearly having a tag like that three words into the article is less than optimal, so I've added it myself. Do you have any objections to me approving ALT4?--Launchballer 22:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the IPA! You said ALT5a, and I had little time, sorry about that. Yes, I explained my objections to ALT4 just above, after it was suggested. Trying another compromise:
ALT6: ... that for Maryvonne Le Dizès, violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain, teaching was as vital as playing her instrument? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT6 is not accurate because, for one thing and thus she isn't a violinist of the ensemble anymore, and secondly, it suggests that she's the current violinist of the ensemble or the only one. I'm also not sure why the apparent insistence on featuring a group that is obscure even to most classical music fans and on most days gets 10 or less page views per day, when it isn't central to the main hook fact. Although the hook could be modified to instead say "a former violinist", I'm skeptical that the mention of the ensemble is even necessary for this specific angle. Plus, the capitalization is non-standard in English and thus it isn't even clear that it's referring to a specific group rather than a kind of group).
I really don't understand the objection to ALT5 either: as I mentioned above earlier, the context is necessary for the benefit of non-classical music fans. The competition's importance may be obvious to you, but it may not be to general readers, an issue that, again, has been a long-time recurring problem with your nominations. It also seems to contradict your original objection to ALT2: you didn't want ALT2 as is because it "lacks context". On the other hand, ALT4 and ALT5 give plenty of non-specialist context that helps establish Le Dizès as an accomplished violinist, probably even moreso than ALT6 (I understand the objection per WP:FIRSTWOMAN, but a compromise wording could be done to get around that). It appears that it's less to do with the context but more specifically a desire to feature the ensemble in the hook no matter what.
@Launchballer: Would you be fine with just going with ALT2 instead? It's the simplest and catchiest option, and I don't think the mention of the ensemble or the competition is necessary to make it hookier than it already is. If not, maybe a rephrase of ALT4a? Yes it's a first woman hook and something we'd ideally avoid, but I imagine it some variant of it will get more attention from readership than the ensemble. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's probably worth noting that this discussion is already several times longer than the actual article being discussed (Le Dizès's article is 354 words long, this discussion is already over 4,000 words long), which frankly is ridiculous. This long discussion could have been avoided if only a generalist hook had been accepted from the start, instead of an apparent insistence on the nichest possible hook angles or focus, something contrary to WP:DYKINT (and indeed, DYKINT's wording was meant to prevent cases like this from happening in the first place). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:48, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT6a: ... that for Maryvonne Le Dizès, who was a violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain, teaching was as vital as playing her instrument?
ALT6b: ... that when Maryvonne Le Dizès was violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain, she expressed that her teaching was as vital as playing her instrument?
It is perhaps worth noting that this is so long because of your contributions, Narutolovehinata5, in number of comments and their length. It might be helpful to give others a chance. How can one argue with someone who believes that the leading French (if not even of the world) ensemble of contemporary music is "obscure". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
As I admit to being a layperson regarding classical music, I am asking input from DYK's other resident opera experts, 4meter4 and CurryTime7-24, regarding the ensemble intercontemporain angle, as well as to confirm if the ensemble is well-known among classical music enthusiasts in general and thus if Gerda's claim about its prestige is accurate. For what it's worth, its French Wikipedia article gets an average of 7 views a day, suggesting even in France it's not well-known, let alone internationally. At the very least, the topic seems very niche and an argument could be made, at least to a layperson, that the ensemble is relatively obscure to the general public.
With regards to the length of this discussion, I would disagree. There was already an opportunity for the discussion to end early when I approved ALT2. Had you agreed to the approval, not only would have the discussion already ended, the hook may have even been promoted by now. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:15, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
You are proving my point. This discussion might have been much shorter if you had left the review to some else. Did you forget my arguments regarding ALT2? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • @Narutolovehinata5 Since I was pinged. I've never heard of the Ensemble intercontemporain until today. That doesn't mean much as new classical music is not an area I am expert in, or where I spend my listening energies. In reading up, I can tell you that Ensemble intercontemporain's founder Pierre Boulez (very famous conductor) was widely regarded as one of the world's great conductors until his death in 2016 and was revered in the classical musical world. The Library of Congress says it's "one of the world's great ensembles", and its one of the rare ensembles to be given the Polar Music Prize (in 2022) which is a major award that usually goes to an individual musician. They have also been nominated four times for a Grammy Award, and won the Grammy Award for Best Chamber Music/Small Ensemble Performance twice. My guess is that the ensemble would be better known to European readers than Americans, and than many people who follow classical music (particularly the new stuff) even in the United States will have heard of this group because of the awards. They've also toured to the USA. All together, I don't think calling it prestegious is inaccurate, and given the prizes its won I don't think it could be considered "obscure". The Paganini Competition is one of the top and better known violin competitions. It's a big deal. I personally think Alt 3 is a good hook for this topic.4meter4 (talk) 05:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

What is your opinion of the following: ALT7: ... that when the future long-term ensemble intercontemporain violinist Maryvonne Le Dizès won the Paganini Competition in 1962, she was the first woman to win the award? ...which says basically the same thing as ALT3 but puts her achievement first.--Launchballer 08:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'd accept it but think ALT3 is not only more concise but also better chronology. Also, Narutolovehinata5 had problems with the term "long-term". I'd therefore still prefer ALT3a which avoids that. Why not have achievements at the end, for impact? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I get what 4meter4 said above but I'm still skeptical about the ensemble angle for reasons I've already mentioned. It's good to know that they are seemingly prestigious, but I'm skeptical that most readers would even get that context. ALT4a is probably the best compromise angle: it has more emphasis on the quote instead of the first (and thus may meet WP:FIRSTWOMAN better), and it isn't reliant on knowledge of the ensemble. Or if a concise hook is desired, there is still ALT2: I don't see the issues Gerda raised about it as serious and feel that the concerns have less to do with issues about ALT2 itself but more to do with lacking the information or hook facts she wants. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
You seem to have overlooked that on 12 Sep, I explained why ALT4a doesn't work (and also had requested a new reviewer even before). - My story today is a DYK 5 years old OTD, about a voice teacher. Interesting review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
The objection towards ALT4a (and indeed any hook that does not mention the ensemble) seems to be more a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT rather than guideline-based objections. As in, the main reason isn't because they're inaccurate or don't meet the guideline, but simply because you want the ensemble to be mentioned and it being in the hook is non-negotiable.
In any case, I offer a compromise deal: in the interest of approving this nomination and putting an end to this, I'm offering to approve a slightly modified version of ALT4 (adding "violinist" before her name) and ALT6a (which seems to be slightly more accurate as it's not clear if she made the quote when she was part of them or not, and I'd suggest adding "Grammy-winning" for context purposes). That way, the promoter can choose between an option that mentions the ensemble (albeit with additional generalist context to make its prestige more obvious), and an option that instead focuses on the award. A hook that mixes the two would probably be too complex, so just focusing on one or the other may be the option here. Deal? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I am sorry for making this still longer, but I feel it's sort of basic. When I write articles about people who recently died, I like to mention in a hook what they stood for in life. Example: Hans Otto Jung, born 17 September 2020. In 2017, three things he stood for were mentioned in the hook, without any problems. I loved that. Now we look at this great musician, and I see one thing she stood for: playing, recording and educating in contemporary music, influencing new music in collaborating with the greatest composers in the field, even commissioning new music. I tried that in the original hook. The short elegant summary for this complex achievement is the name of the ensemble, but I'd be open for a different wording. I am not open to reduce her to only a winner of a competition even if it is a prestigious competition, nor to finding teaching as vital as playing which she has in common with a large number of others, or a combination of those two, as offered just above. We have ALT7 to look at. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

For what it's worth, Hans Otto Jung's hook does meet WP:DYKINT since the hook was eyecatching even for someone without specialist knowledge. It wasn't simply because it was a summary hook, it was because it met the guidelines and just happened to be one. Such cases are a minority, and summary hooks have received pushback in the past since most arguably do not meet DYKINT. As for ALT7, my primary concern is that it could arguably require trimming since the primary context is her being the first woman to win the award and the rest simply sound like excessive detail. One of your recurring issues is your repeated desire to include as much detail about the subject as possible, something that is discouraged at by WP:DYKTRIM. Again, compare your proposal to Maxim's hook which ran previously and did well. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't think you understood what I tried to express: that I would see the one thing she stood for mentioned which could be short:
ALT8: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès was for decades violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain?
How about trying to add to that, or trim AL7? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT7a: ... that Maryvonne Le Dizès became violinist of the ensemble intercontemporain after she had been the first woman to win the Paganini Competition? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have no real objections to ALT0. I'd lose "from Gilbert Amy" for concision and would put "ensemble intercontemporain violinist" at the start in lieu of "violinist for the ensemble intercontemporain", but I'd let a prepbuilder make that decision.--Launchballer 20:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Support ALT7a. Grimes2 (talk) 19:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • I'm giving this some thought, and I'm thinking of another offer. I could approve ALT7a, but I could also offer a modified version of the original hook as a possible option:
ALT0a ... that ensemble intercontemporain violinist Maryvonne Le Dizès once commissioned a trio for saxophone, trombone, and violin?
I'm skeptical that the mention of Amy is necessary, but if the desire is to highlight the unusual combination, then perhaps this makes that emphasis clearer? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT0 works for me, but it's more important how Gerda Arendt feels about it. RoySmith (talk) 23:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
The issue with ALT0 is WP:DYKTRIM: the mention of Amy doesn't seem necessary or vital to the actual primary hook angle, hence the offer for ALT0a. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oh, my bad. I wrote ALT0, but I meant ALT0a. RoySmith (talk) 00:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Atsuko Tanaka (voice actress)

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Diet culture

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  • ... that diet culture was intertwined with scientific racism in the late 19th century, including the common belief among medical practitioners that black women were unable to control their consumption?
  • Source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-racist-roots-of-fighting-obesity2/, “In the eyes of many medical practitioners in the late 19th century, Black women were destined to die off along with the men of their race because of their presumed inability to control their “animal appetites”—eating, drinking and fornicating. These presumptions were not backed by scientific data but instead embodied the prevailing racial scientific logic at the time. Later, some doctors wanted to push Black men to reform their aesthetic preferences. Valorizing voluptuousness in Black women, these physicians claimed, validated their unhealthy diets, behaviors and figures.”
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  • Comment: I’m open to alternative hook ideas. Thank you very much!
Moved to mainspace by FortunateSons (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

FortunateSons (talk) 17:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Dilaw (song)

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  • ... that "Dilaw" was a dominant song in the Philippines and gained international recognition?
  • ALT2: ... that the creator of "Dilaw" is a leading OPM artist with the most listeners on Spotify?
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: The title of Dilaw (Maki song) changed to Dilaw (song).
Created by Royiswariii (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Royiswariii (talk) 16:01, 23 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Not a review, but the hooks are a bit suspicious. The hooks have a summary of the song, which isn't regularly added to hooks, maybe trim like this? ALT0:... that "Dilaw" was the dominating song in the Philippines and international too? and ALT1: ... that "Dilaw" was entered on Billboard Philippines securing the number one spot, and the Spotify Global Chart entered at number 200? and I also saw two "hooks" in alt1, which can be added here, ALT2: ... that the creator of the song Dilaw is a male OPM artist with the most listeners on Spotify? Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:   - Oof, most of the hooks are normal for singers like him, there are multiple examples of dominant songs in the Philippines which gained international recognition.
QPQ: None required.

Overall:   A lot of problems here, I'm sure you can fix them in one week or-so. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Typhoon Virginia (1957)

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  • ... that along with fatalities and damages, 1957's Typhoon Virginia also damaged 14 ships?
Created by TheNuggeteer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 16 past nominations.

🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 13:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Typhoons in Taiwan

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🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 07:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • I'll give this article a go.
General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing:   - Some of the claims in the article need further citations. Just to name a few: "A Chinese word, Tai, (meaning Typhoon), appeared in multiple books originating from Taiwan" is not supported by the citation, as the source only notes that the word "probably appeared in Chinese literature". The first line of the lead, "Taiwan is one of the most typhoon-prone countries in Southeast Asia, just near the Philippines", is completely unsourced. The article has an internal inconsistency where the death toll of Typhoon Lekima is cited as having a death toll of 2 and 105, apparently from the same source.
  • Neutral:   - The choice in which typhoons to cover in the article seems bizarre. For instance, Typhoon Morakot, despite being named in the article's lead as the deadliest typhoon to hit Taiwan, is given no mention in the "Typhoons" section of the article, while various, more minor tropical storms are.
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:  
  • Other problems:   - The article suffers from information being in the lead that is not in the article itself (notably information about Morakot), and the "Typhoons" section violates WP:PROSELINE.

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:   - On second look at the source, it appears that the hook is somewhat misleading. It claims that Mackay recorded 19 typhoons in his diary between 1871 and 1894, but it doesn't specifically specify the 1890s.
  • Interesting:   - Not that interesting imo. According to the article's lead, "Multiple typhoons enter Taiwan every year", so the fact that multiple typhoons entered Taiwan in a particular year is underwhelming, to say the least.
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   There are too many issues from a cursory look that I doubt everything can be resolved in a timely manner. I'm going to say no as of now, but I'd be open to giving the article another look if major improvements are undertaken in the near future! Leafy46 (talk) 15:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on August 24

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Statue of John Stockton

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  • ... that the sculptor re-positioned the statue of John Stockton about 20 times by using a wrench to adjust ball-and-socket joints on steel rods?
Moved to mainspace by Left guide (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Left guide (talk) 13:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

References

  1. ^ Robinson, Doug (June 14, 2004). "Sculpting Stockton no way a slam-dunk". Deseret News. Retrieved August 24, 2024.
  2. ^ Kalbrosky, Bryan (January 25, 2022). "Somebody put a mask on a John Stockton statue because he refuses to do it himself". USA Today. Retrieved August 24, 2024.
  3. ^ McCarriston, Shanna (January 25, 2022). "Fan puts face mask on John Stockton statue outside of Jazz's Vivint Arena". CBS Sports. Retrieved August 24, 2024.

Bed Chem, Juno (song)

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Converted from a redirect by MaranoFan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 72 past nominations.

NØ 14:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Albert Bumgardner

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  • ... that the Pacific Architect & Builder boosted Albert Bumgardner's career after he designed the magazine's office building?
Created by Generalissima (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 76 past nominations.

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:27, 24 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Slave-owning slaves

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Pope Callixtus I, former slave of a slave of a slave
  • Source: Gamauf (2023),"Peculium: Paradoxes of Slaves With Property". In Schermaier, Martin (ed.). The Position of Roman Slaves: Social Realities and Legal Differences. Berlin and Boston: De Gruyter. pp. 87–124. doi:10.1515/9783110987195.
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Created by Ttocserp (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Ttocserp 15:37, 24 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing:   - Per DYK rules, you need at minimum one citation at the end of each paragraph that covers all content preceding it. You also need a source for all statements introduced in captions (not cited elsewhere in the article) that go beyond identification of the image's subject. I've added some cn tags where a citation is missing, or axed transition sentences that Wikipedia tends not to use, but I may have missed some.
  • Neutral:   - I'd like to see the talk page complaint resolved
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:  
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: None required.

Overall:   Interesting article. Please consider WP:GAN! (t · c) buidhe 00:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, my laptop was off being repaired. I would gladly adress the concerns, but someone has put on a template saying it reads like a personal essay. (Why is not explained; I got everything from the sources.). What should I do?Ttocserp 21:55, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

If Callixtus I was a slave owned by a slave owned by a slave, he wouldn't be an example of a slave who owned a slave, would he? Or at least not necessarily. Bremps... 06:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Callixtus is an instance of a sub-sub-slave not a slaveowner himself. But it is true the caption needs to be amended.Ttocserp 09:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Typhoon Nat (1991)

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The track of Typhoon Nat
  • ... that 1991's Typhoon Nat was described as having a "most unusual" track (pictured)?
Converted from a redirect by TheNuggeteer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.

🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:   - The hook is located under Analysis, which contains no inline citations.
  • Interesting:  
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   The above issues need to be addressed. Also, the article calls the track "erratic," which makes more sense than "erroneous," which is the word the hook uses. Ergo Sum 16:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • @TheNuggeteer: Thanks for adding the inline citation. However, since that is a 96 page PDF, there should be citations to specific pages at each inline use, for example, using {{Sfn}}. I did a quick control-F search in that PDF and "erratic" does not come up, so citation to a specific page is necessary. Ergo Sum 01:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Page citation is good. However, unless I am still missing it on page 44, I do not see the words "random" or "erratic" as descriptions of the typhoon's movement. I see "most unusual," which is not the same thing as either of those words. Ergo Sum 13:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Changed the hook to fit the words. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 13:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on August 25

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Self-Ish

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Koopastar (talk) 07:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Happy of the End

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  • ... that Ogeretsu Tanaka wanted to draw a manga series featuring scenery in Shinjuku, which led to the creation of Happy of the End?
Created by Lullabying (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 59 past nominations.

lullabying (talk) 03:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Pell v The Queen

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— MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:59, 27 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

2024 Ohio Issue 1

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  • ... that the Republican-led Ohio Ballot Board was sued because its official summary for Ohio Issue 1, designed to improve redistricting, stated instead that the initiative would require gerrymandering?
  • Source: the Board's summary "describes the amendment, which is specifically intended to prevent partisan gerrymandering, as specifically requiring it."
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-gerrymandering-redistricting-bd589ead234436f1b113b35d28c71cc7#
Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

ProfGray (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Time (2021 film)

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Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

References

  1. ^ Lim, Ruey Yan (18 July 2022). "Patrick Tse is oldest Best Actor winner at Hong Kong Film Awards". The Straits Times. Archived from the original on 24 August 2024. Retrieved 24 August 2024. Veteran actor Patrick Tse has become the oldest actor to win the Best Actor prize at the Hong Kong Film Awards (HKFA) on Sunday (July 17), while Anita, the biopic on late Cantopop superstar Anita Mui, was the biggest winner with five awards. Tse, 85, won the award for his role as a retired assassin in the black comedy Time, which also starred veteran actress Petrina Fung Bo Bo, actor Lam Suet and former radio DJ Chung Suet Ying.
  2. ^ "Dad joins son with film award". The Standard. 19 July 2022. Archived from the original on 19 July 2022. Retrieved 24 August 2024. Patrick Tse Yin, aged 85, has become the oldest Best Actor winner in the Hong Kong Film Awards for his role in the 2021 film Time.

Milan A. P. Harminc

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  • Source: Mikuláš Teich, Dušan Kováč, Martin D. Brown. Slovakia in History. Cambridge University Press, 2011. pp. 194-195
Created by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 394 past nominations.

Soman (talk) 18:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC).Reply


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YSL Records racketeering trial

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Created by CFA (talk) and 64.189.246.115 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

C F A 💬 02:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Félag hljómplötuframleiðenda

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Created by Muhandes (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 53 past nominations.

Muhandes (talk) 11:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Michael P. Walsh (Jesuit)

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  • Source: Clark, Alfred E. (April 24, 1982). "Rev. Michael Walsh, Headed Fordham During Fiscal Crisis". The New York Times. p. 11. Archived from the original on November 19, 2022. Retrieved August 28, 2023.: "During his years at Boston College, he saw its enrollment greatly expand, supervised the construction of 15 new buildings..."
Moved to mainspace by Ergo Sum (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 106 past nominations.

Ergo Sum 04:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC).Reply


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You Liked This (Okay, Computer!)

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Koopastar (talk) 05:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

Hermética (album)

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5x expanded by Cambalachero (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 124 past nominations.

Cambalachero (talk) 15:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Aviation Accidents in Japan Involving U.S. Military and Government Aircraft Post-World War II

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Global Donald (talk) 02:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Articles created/expanded on August 28

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Dim Montero

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  • ... that Dim Montero "could pick up a rock and find an outstanding football prospect"?
Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 242 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

Eddie Canales

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  • Source: Eddie Canales, who campaigned to prevent migrant deaths, dies at 76, Washington Post: "For years, when unidentified bodies were recovered in the county, they were buried, at times in unmarked graves. Mr. Canales and other activists helped push for the enforcement of a Texas law mandating that unidentified remains undergo DNA testing, and championed the exhumation of unidentified bodies from the county cemetery... The effort led to a horrifying revelation when researchers exhuming a mass burial site at the cemetery found remains “in trash bags, shopping bags, body bags, or no containers at all,”"
Created by Mrfoogles (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Mrfoogles (talk) 22:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

Eniaios

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  • Source: "Since 2004, the work has been revealed two or three cycles at a time, at intervals of four years" [16]
Created by Hinnk (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 41 past nominations.

hinnk (talk) 22:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Maximiliano Hernández Martínez

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Maximiliano Hernández Martínez
Improved to Good Article status by PizzaKing13 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 15:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

El Eternauta: tercera parte

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Moved to mainspace by Cambalachero (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 125 past nominations.

Cambalachero (talk) 18:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
  • Other problems:   - See below.
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Article is new and long enough. No problems with Earwig. A few small issues, however. Some of the material in the article lack citations. For example, the lead contains two statements that are missing citations to confirm (they're not confirmed anywhere in the article body). The entire "Plot" section is unsourced. The proposed hook itself is interesting, but needs to be rewritten. It states that Héctor Germán Oesterheld himself was a character in his own comic, who was retained after he died. In fact, the cited source states that the character of Germán was "Oesterheld's character" ("el personaje de Oesterheld"), but does not explicitly state that it is him. (Native Spanish speaker here, by the way.) The source makes clear that the character is certainly based on him; the hook needs to be reworded accordingly. Another detail that needs to be ironed out is that the hook unequivocally states that Oesterheld is dead. However, all sources I've read state that he is presumed dead. Even if his death is certain, I'm not sure that it could've been declared official at the time this third part of the comic was published in 1981, while the Dirty War was still ongoing. Otherwise, this is a very interesting article about a subject I previously had zero knowledge of! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

    • I have rewritten the lead. Plot sections of articles about works of fiction do not require citations; it is accepted that the book itself is the source. That Oesterheld included himself as a character within the first two stories he wrote does not need to be referenced either, for similar reasons (he's not even the first author who uses that trick, see here). The hook, however, focuses on the real-life stuff about the character. As for his death, it is correct that his death had never been officially confirmed by the military, but his kidnapping was denounced by the family and other organizations shortly after April 1977, and informed by Cadena Informativa on September 1977. It's all in reference 1. A bit off-topic for this article (better suited for HGO's biography, or the second part), but clearly not a situation that Ediciones Record didn't know. They may be in the dark about the details, but not about their star writer being missing and reported kidnapped by the military. Cambalachero (talk) 01:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Over My Dead Body (2023 film)

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  • ... that Jer Lau, who starred in the film Over My Dead Body, also performed its theme song because the director felt his role was too minor?
Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

References

  1. ^ "死屍死時四十四｜何爵天專訪 自認鏡粉睇中「Jerdan」化學作用 搵柳應廷唱高難度主題曲「加戲」" (in Chinese). am730. 26 March 2023. Archived from the original on 28 August 2024. Retrieved 26 August 2024. 何導更自爆嫌客串演出的阿Jer戲份太少，故特地找他唱高難度的電影主題曲《鹹魚遊戲》，並呼籲觀眾要一戲呵成聽埋首主題曲。 [Director Ho (Cheuk Tin) even revealed that he found Jer Lau's cameo role too small, so he specifically invited him to sing the challenging theme song "Salted Fish Game" as well, urging the audience to listen closely to the theme song as they watch the film.]

Kitsap (Suquamish leader)

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  • Source: Buerge (2017)[17] p.33: "....when the Suquamish chief Kitsap organized a confederacy to meet a threat from the north."

Ibid. p. 41-42: "The most feared were the Cowichan ... Slave raids had led the Cowichan far from their homes in search of human merchandise ... by spreading havoc on the sound, they likely intended to eliminate rivals and make the HBC come to them"

Ibid. p.42: "The confederation Kitsap engineered stretched from central Puget Sound to the Columbia River, and Old Man House was its nexus."

Ibid. p. 43: "The attack likely took place around 1825 ... Kitsap and other Suquamish men took the lead"
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Created by PersusjCP (talk) and SeaTraff (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

PersusjCP (talk) 16:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC).Reply


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Seed oil misinformation

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  • ... that despite a panic to the contrary, most researchers think seed oils are healthy and reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease?
  • Source: "most cardiovascular health researchers believe omega-6 fatty acids are safe and healthy. The American Heart Association has stated that a reduction in omega-6 fatty acids could lead to an increase, not reduction, in cardiovascular disease."
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: I understand this is beyond the seven-day limit; however, I'd like to request an extension for two reasons. First, that this is my first DYK so I didn't know there was a deadline; and second, that this is a medical-related topic so it's best that the article has been shown to be stable.
Moved to mainspace by Dan Leonard (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Dan • ✉ 04:24, 9 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Way too weak. It's not a "most researchers think" thing; the seed oil misinformation is utter nonsense on many levels. Bon courage (talk) 06:01, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   The article was nominated two weeks after creation, which is far beyond the seven day limit, or even the two-day extension that is built in into DYK. As such, the article is ineligible for DYK. Although leniency is sometimes granted to DYK newcomers, two weeks is too long for what is usually granted. My suggestion is to nominate the article for GA status: it may be a challenge given that it is a medicine-related article but it should be achievable. Once the article is a GA it can be renominated for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Just noting that this was moved to mainspace on 29 August and nominated on 9 September, so a smidge under 11 days. Still a big ask though.--Launchballer 02:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I've given this some more thought, and while I don't feel strongly enough to overrule, I do think that as a brand new nominator, as a one-off, this should be given a chance.--Launchballer 17:06, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Allowing a one-time exemption this time considering the length of time involved (around 11 days) would be unfair to other nominators, both new and old, who are not given the same opportunity. If it had only been late by a day or two, it probably would have made more sense and been fairer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Lake Erie Walleye Trail fishing tournament cheating scandal

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Created by Daniel Case (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 281 past nominations.

Daniel Case (talk) 19:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

BenSw

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  • ... that BenSw is the face behind the NotLikeThis meme?
Created by Fluddsskark (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 50 past nominations.

paul2520 💬 14:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

@Narutolovehinata5: I provided one as part of the nomination. See Reviewed above! = paul2520 💬 12:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Norma Bahia Pontes

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Moved to mainspace by Miraclepine (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 54 past nominations.

ミラP@Miraclepine 03:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

List of oral repositories

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[18] pg. 34

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Created by Kowal2701 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Kowal2701 (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Actinote zikani

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Created by Sir MemeGod (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 12:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

@Kevmin: GAN passed. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 17:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Article GA passed, original nomination was new enough and long enough. I known that the specific 8a.m. time is going to hit problems either in the promotion process here, or on the main page. I would say the more accurate part of that sentence is "at sunrise", that should be corrected to avoid the wp:overprecision of the statement.--Kevmin § 18:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Fixed. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 18:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

KXXV

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Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 708 past nominations.

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Not a review (and as much as I'm thankful for you reviewing three of my GAs, I still review oldest first!), but it took me a while to parse ALT0, as I wrongly assumed it was missing the word "who". I would suggest either "once described as" instead of "claimed to be" or taking out "a man claimed to be". (Also, you mentioned that The Cock Destroyers was a red link at Talk:Megan Barton-Hanson/GA1, and you may be interested to know it now has an article.)--Launchballer 17:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

The Right and the Wrong

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To say this topic's title sounds highly reminiscent of the Bell Dramatic Serial soaps...but that's besides the point here.
For those keeping track on XTools (at least for the next couple of hours), this nomination officially marks my 20,000th edit on the English Wikipedia--14 years after my last milestone. (Helped a lot--and then some--by my ongoing backlog-clearance drive of AFC's unassessed list, whose near-conclusion my pitch also coincides with.) Many thanks to those I've met on this edition ever since February 2005--whether they're still editing or not.
Seriously, WP needs more coverage on audiovisual media from the Commonwealth Caribbean--and we've only just started by now. A special shout-out to Trinidadian stalwart Guettarda (talk · contribs · count), and CaribDigita (talk · contribs · count) of Barbados; as an occasional reminder, I'm a Commonwealth of Dominica expatriate. Guettarda's recent essay, "Decolonizing Wikipedia" (which I discovered several hours before press time), is recommended reading for future Caribbean-based editors. Here's hoping more from my own native homeland take up the mantle from here.
As always, stay tuned for several more candidates of mine in the months to come. Take care--and I'll see you back!
P.S. Reddit's loss had better be this community's gain--and I know it as a veteran of both platforms. (It'll be Digg all over again when reports of the userbase's vitriol this week over an extremely loathed, uncalled-for UI revamp hit the wires of The New York Times et al....if they ever do--and they should.)
Moved to mainspace by Slgrandson (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 02:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:   - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting:  
  • Other problems:   - some
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Looks mostly good. Have to AGF on the paywalled source. As for the hook, the article seems a bit unclear: the hook says one of the first two in Trinidad, but all I see in the prose of the article is 1970's The Right and the Wrong and The Caribbean Fox, both directed by Harbance Kumar, were the first English-speaking films to be produced natively in the West Indies. Could you clarify in the article that it is one of the first two Trinidad films if that is the case? Also, would it be better to say it is one of the first two films produced in Trinidad, rather than by Trinidad? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:17, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@BeanieFan11:  Y Fixed.
ALT0a: ... that The Right and the Wrong was the first feature film produced natively in Trinidad and Tobago? Source: Paddington, Bruce; Warner, Keith Q. (Winter 2009). "The Emergence of Caribbean Feature Films". Black Camera. 1 (1). Indiana University Press: 94, 98–99. doi:10.2979/blc.2009.1.1.91. JSTOR 10.2979/blc.2009.1.1.91. S2CID 144560687. Retrieved 2024-08-29 – via JSTOR.
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Shinichi Ishizuka

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Manhood: The Masculine Virtues America Needs

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Mitch Torres

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"We chat to self-proclaimed damper destroyer Mitch (pictured, right) about family cooking rivalries, top-secret ingredients and living off the land." Hegarty, Siobhan (29 January 2015). "18 minutes with Mitch Torres". SBS Food. Special Broadcasting Service. Retrieved 30 August 2024.
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Brenden Bates

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İzlem Gürçağ Altuğra

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Filomena Fortes

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Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip

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  • Source: The information in the hook is drawn from a few different sources:
  • ALT1: ... that historic sites damaged during the Israeli invasion of Gaza include the oldest mosque and the oldest church in Gaza? Source: Multiple again:
    • Improved to Good Article status by Richard Nevell (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

    Richard Nevell (talk) 21:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    MyRadar

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    Johnson524 14:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Kim Hye-seon

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    • ... that South Korean comedian Kim Hye-seon once went to the hospital before a recording of the sketch comedy show Gag Concert?
    • Reviewed: N/A
    Created by Wuju Daisuki (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

    Wuju Daisuki (talk) 22:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Psycho Mantis

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    • "But unfortunately for him, these technological shenanigans work both ways – through he can read every button press on controller 1, controller 2 is a mystery to him. By plugging your controller into the second port, your movements are concealed, leaving Psycho Mantis as little more than a bug-eyed piñata."
    https://www.ign.com/articles/2009/11/17/big-boss-of-the-day-metal-gear-solids-psycho-mantis
    • "Gamers will initially find that Mantis can block all of Snake's attacks with ease. The only solution is to physically switch the controller from one port to another."
    Banks, Jamie; Meija, Robert; Adams, Aubrie (June 23, 2017). 100 Greatest Video Game Characters. Rowman and Littlefield Publishers. pp. 155–156. ISBN 978-1442278127.
    • "After this, Psycho Mantis probes deeper by scanning the player’s physical memory card and commenting on select Konami titles; for example, “You like Castlevania, don’t you?”"
    https://www.escapistmagazine.com/psycho-mantis-quest-ce-que-cest/
    • "He turns every scrap of information into a dirty little secret he dangles over your head, even going so far to bring up other games you’ve played: Castlevania, Suikoden, Vandal Hearts. A remake of the game is on the GameCube, and it’s particularly disconcerting to hear Mantis hiss, as if through clenched teeth, “So … you’ve been playing Super Mario Sunshine, haven’t you?”"
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    • Comment: Been a while since I've done a nomination, so I hope everything is alright with this nomination.
    Improved to Good Article status by Pokelego999 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

    Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 17:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

    AdventHealth Daytona Beach

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    Catfurball (talk) 21:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

    •   This is not intended to be a full review and I have no plans of giving this a full review, but a quick look at the article suggests that this is in need of a copyedit. In addition, the current hook probably does not meet WP:DYKINT as not being likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing. A new hook will be needed here, in any case. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    String Quartet No. 16 (Shostakovich)

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    • Source: "The Thirteen-ness of the Thirteenth Quartet" by Iain Strachan in the DSCH Journal (July 2024): "Shostakovich had apparently intended to make a mathematical version of his DSCH signature in the key sequence of his quartets. Given that the musically logical sequence of keys indicated that if the composer had lived to complete a sixteenth quartet, it would have been in B major, this meant that the major key quartets of DSCH would all have been on the quartets whose numbers were perfect squares, namely 4, 9, 1, and 16".
    • ALT1: ... that there is no String Quartet No. 16 by Dmitri Shostakovich? Source: "Shostakovich and the 'Sixteenth Quartet'" by Krzysztof Meyer and Henny van der Groep in the DSCH Journal (July 2014)
    • ALT2: ... that Dmitri Shostakovich's String Quartet No. 16 has three movements, including a lyrical middle, ends with a double fugue, and does not exist? Source: Ibid; "Fifty Years Ago: April–September 1974" by Krzysztof Meyer (translated by Bryan Rowell) in DSCH Journal (July 2024)
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/El Eternauta: tercera parte
    • Comment: QPQ coming soon. For what it's worth, my preference for these ALTs are in reverse order, with ALT2 being my most preferred. Also, is it possible to run this DYK on September 25, for the 118th anniversary of Shostakovich's birth?
    Created by CurryTime7-24 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 48 past nominations.

    CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

    •   The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. It is properly sourced; as all the sources are offline I am assuming good faith on verification here. ALT0 has a sourcing issue: the reference backing it up comes at the end of the relevant paragraph; according to WP:DYKG, the supporting footnote should be at the latest at the end of the sentence supporting the hook fact, which in this case is the DSCH signature aspect. ALT2 is a rather complicated hook so I'm rather disinclined to approve it. My preferred hook is actually ALT1; however, the article does not actually seem to back it up. The article is unclear if the String Quartet was even started, or if it was started but simply unfinished: if it was the former, then ALT1 is accurate. To be sure, I'm pinging Kingsif and RoySmith regarding ALT1 as both are knowledgeable about quirky hooks and their suitability. If ALT1 is unsuitable, only ALT0 will be approved.
    There is another major concern: the lack of a QPQ. Per a recent discussion, the guidelines have changed so a QPQ should now be provided at the time of the nomination, rather than up to a week afterwards. As such, please provide a QPQ as soon as possible, as the nomination may be failed without further warning if one is not given soon. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
    @Kingsif and RoySmith: It appears that the above ping did not work for some reason. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
    ALT2 could work, but it's cruising for a pruning, as in ALT2a: ... that Dmitri Shostakovich's String Quartet No. 16 does not exist?--Launchballer 15:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • Thank you all for bearing with me. QPQ is done. May I suggest the following amended ALT?
    ALT2b: ... that Dmitri Shostakovich's String Quartet No. 16 has three movements, but does not exist?
    @Narutolovehinata5: Meyer seems to imply in the transcript of his 1974 visit to Shostakovich and in his 2014 interview that the quartet was never even sketched. However, in the latter he also states ambiguously (emphasis mine): "[A]las, [Shostakovich] was not able to complete the project regarding the Sixteenth [Quartet]". Neither of the articles cited specifically details how much progress, if any, Shostakovich had made on this work at this point or ever. My copy of Meyer's monograph on the composer (in the Spanish translation) is also of no help; his mention of the work therein is even more fleeting. I've looked through the various books by Sofia Khentova, Shostakovich's official biographer, including her massive two-volume biography, which is far more exhausting in detail than any current English language books on the composer. It mentions various obscure odds-and-ends and aborted projects—but no String Quartet No. 16. Derek C. Hulme's Dmitri Shostakovich: The First Hundred Years and Beyond has an entire appendix devoted to such works. Again, no mention of this quartet. I've also not been able to find mention of it in the various Russian language sources in my personal library or in Levon Akopyan's editorial notes in the ongoing New Collected Works Edition of the quartets. For what it's worth, it's probably more likely that Shostakovich never went beyond working through the quartet in his mind. By 1974, his neuro-muscular disorder had made writing extremely difficult and exhausting for him. Consider that he had not even begun to work on the Fifteenth Quartet on April 11, 1974. (Meyer's visit and questioning may have been the catalyst to finally get work on that going: his first extant sketches are dated April 13.) The penmanship in the autograph copy of his last work, the Viola Sonata from July 1975, clearly evinces that it was a struggle just to get the notes to paper. (By this point, he could only write by having his left hand support his right.) Meyer is by far the most informative source on this cryptic work... but, unfortunately, he leaves a number of questions dangling. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

    @Narutolovehinata5, Launchballer, Kingsif, and RoySmith: Pinging as a courtesy. Please let me know if any work remains to be done on this nom. I'll be happy to amend the ALTs further if needed. Would like this to get approved and be included on the DYK for September 25, the 118th anniversary of Shostakovich's birth. Thank you all. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    As much as I really like the "doesn't exist" angle, it seems that the sourcing and circumstances just aren't strong enough to justify it, so regrettably it may have to be dropped. Maybe Theleekycauldron has some more ideas on how to move forward. ALT0 is probably acceptable, but honestly not as good and I doubt it would get as much interest from readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Could ALT1 possibly work? The wording is also slightly more ambiguous than the other ALTs, which unequivocally state that the work does not exist at all. There really is no "String Quartet No. 16" insofar as a published piece of music is concerned, but the wording of ALT1 doesn't rule out the fact that unfinished sketches, etc. may exist. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    ALT1 is actually the sticking point here. The accuracy of the hook depends on how one interprets "there is no String Quartet No. 16." If one means "it was never made", yes it's accurate. If one means "it never existed", then exactly what "exist" means is the issue. The finished product doesn't exist, but as you said there's ambiguity if sketches or work was made. If they did, it technically did exist, if in an unfinished/unreleased state. Even if not, one could argue that it did exist as a concept if not as a composition that was at least attempted, so the hook is too vague and ambiguous. Even if it were to be approved, I can see it going to WP:ERRORS and/or WT:DYK before being pulled. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    @Narutolovehinata5: Give me a few hours to finish some work, then I'll respond. Thanks for bearing with me! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Severe Tropical Storm Lionrock (2010)

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    Created by TheNuggeteer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 21 past nominations.

    🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 14:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

    •   The article was initially created using material from the 2010 Pacific typhoon season article. When that happens, per DYK rules, the copied material must be expanded 5x, just as needs to happen with pre-existing articles that are expanded. In this case, 1505 prose characters in have been copied in the current version of Severe Tropical Storm Lionrock (2010), meaning that to qualify for DYK, the article must be 7525 prose characters. At the moment, however, it is only 4068 prose characters, so another 3457 prose characters will need to be added for the article to be eligible for DYK, more than has already been added to the article from the original 2010 material. While that seems unlikely, I've used the "Maybe" icon rather than the "Rejected" icon in case TheNuggeteer believes they can do an expansion in the next week or so. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
      A full week has passed since the above comment and no major work has been done to the article, nor was a response made. In addition, the article now has an open request to merge it back into the main typhoon season article. Marking for closure as ineligible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    1939 New York World's Fair pavilions and attractions

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    No Poop July

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    • ... that the TikTok trend No Poop July garnered backlash from doctors?
    Created by TheNuggeteer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.

    🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 13:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

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    The Cock Destroyers

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     Top: Sophie Anderson in July 2022. Bottom: Rebecca More in July 2021.
    Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 249 past nominations.

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    Anaïs Gallagher, Oasis Live '25 Tour

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    Created by Launchballer (talk), Aibo22 (talk), and TheBestEditorInEngland (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 248 past nominations.

    Launchballer 15:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

    @Launchballer: Since this is a double nomination, you will need to provide an additional QPQ. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    I have. That's a double nom.--Launchballer 05:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Apologies for not noticing! Just make it clear in the nomination so that a reviewer will be aware. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    A reviewer should check before ticking it off, but I've added a note anyway. As for adding an additional QPQ, there's probably just enough room for "that after Liam and Noel Gallagher's band Oasis announced for 2025 "the most controversial band reunion since the Sex Pistols' 1996 Filthy Lucre Tour", Noel's daughter Anaïs Gallagher criticised some fans for ageism and sexism?", so you might get lucky. I should probably write the third article first though.--Launchballer 08:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply


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    Saleh Shahin

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    Created by Schwede66 (talk) and 2603:7000:2101:AA00:1979:BEF5:5AEC:99F4 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 160 past nominations.

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    JerAx

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    • ... that Jesse "JerAx" Vainikka was the first Dota 2 player to reach four consecutive Valve Major finals, achieving this milestone with Team Liquid and OG? Source: [21][22]
      • ALT1: ... that Jesse Vainikka, also known as JerAx, became the highest-earning individual player in esports in 2018 after winning two consecutive The International titles with OG in Dota 2? Source: [23]
      • ALT2: ... that Jesse "JerAx" Vainikka auctioned his Team Liquid gaming chair for €5,300 to benefit the charity, Save the Children, surpassing auction prices of signed jerseys from Lionel Messi and Wayne Rooney? Source: [4]
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    Created by Jeraxmoira (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

    Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 18:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    • Responding to this: Per MOS:SURNAME: "After the initial mention, a person should generally be referred to by surname only [...] When a majority of reliable secondary sources refer to persons by a pseudonym, they should be subsequently referred to by their pseudonymous surnames, unless they do not include a recognizable surname in the pseudonym (e.g. Sting, Snoop Dogg, the Edge), in which case the whole pseudonym is used. For people well known by one-word names, nicknames, or pseudonyms, but who often also use their legal names professionally – e.g., André Benjamin ("André 3000"), Jennifer Lopez ("J.Lo"); doctor/broadcaster Drew Pinsky ("Dr. Drew") – use the legal surname."
      I checked the article's refs and they all seem to use the pseudonym, at least in their titles. But if we don't want to use the pseudonym, then the surname Vainikka should be used instead of the given name Jesse. (I left this comment here, because it affects this nomination's caption.) 2001:14BA:9C40:0:2898:CC7C:F3E7:9062 (talk) 19:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    I don't think it affects the nomination's caption/hook, as I have used both his real name and his in-game name. Let the reviewer decide if the article/hook needs further clarity regarding the surname. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    •   Partial review here: ALT2 seems the most interesting to me, seconded by ALT1; ALT0 is not as interesting without much esports context. Article is new enough, long enough, and written by the nominator. (Don't plan to review rest, just dropping in) Mrfoogles (talk) 06:19, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    ALT2 is above the 200 character limit and needs to be trimmed. Maybe something like:
    ALT2a ... that a gaming chair used by Jesse "JerAx" Vainikka sold at an auction for €5,300, surpassing prices of signed jerseys from Lionel Messi and Wayne Rooney?
    Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    What about ALT2b: "... that a gaming chair used by Jesse "JerAx" Vainikka sold at a charitable auction for €5,300, surpassing prices of signed jerseys from Lionel Messi and Wayne Rooney?" Also fits within the character limit and mentions that its a charitable auction, which I think is also one of the interesting parts. Changes it from "someone really wanted this gaming chair" to "gaming chairs can be competitive in charitable auctions", kind of. Mrfoogles (talk) 18:06, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    User:TechnoSquirrel69, I have addressed your concerns regarding the sources. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Thanks for doing that, Jeraxmoira! Unfortunately, you added a reference to the Tech Times, designated as unreliable at this RSN discussion, which prevents me from approving again for the same reasons. However, since this issue seems a lot more manageable than the last one, I'll review the other criteria in anticipation of you addressing it. As an aside, I would recommend installing one or more citation highlighting scripts if you haven't already; they will help you catch reliability issues before they rear their heads.

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

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    QPQ: None required.

    Overall:   I've struck ALT0 as it is phrased awkwardly and contains too many technical or specialist terms to be interesting or accessible enough to a broad audience. ALT1 is frankly on thin ice as well, as mashing the thematically unrelated facts about the subject's earnings and competition wins is making the sentence confusing. We can workshop it further, or just strike it if you prefer ALT2a and ALT2b better. The picture will probably not be running with the hook, as it's already a bit unclear at Main Page sizes and nearly impossible to make out JerAx in particular. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    I already use a citation highlighting script and it did/does not flag any sources in the article as unreliable, apart from the YouTube video. Based on your suggestion, I have removed Techtimes and AFK Gaming and FWIW, the facts in ALT1 are not unrelated, as most of the earnings came from Dota 2 Championships. Alt 2b seems fine to me, so I have struck the remaining. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    @Jeraxmoira: I've gone ahead and removed the image as well. However, some of the sources you've introduced to replace the old ones also seem to have issues. What makes Esports.gg, Win.gg, and TalkEsport reliable? Esports.gg's about page makes no mention of editorial oversight — the typical mark of reliability for web content from Wikipedia's perspective — nor Win.gg's or TalkEsport's. This leads me to believe these are self-published sources, which are unsuitable for use in articles. Another way to demostrate the reliability of these sources was if they were used or approved by other reliable sources, which I haven't found to be the case with some quick searching. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    I think you are applying the standards of mainstream journalism to the esports field, which I feel is unfair. AFAIK, these events are not covered by traditional mainstream media, so it's unreasonable to expect a byline or editorial oversight on all the sources used. The claims made here are not exceptional ones that would require following WP:ECREE. I have added multiple sources to back almost all the claims made in the article, including the hook and have removed most of the sources you mentioned. If you're still skeptical, I would request that you leave it to an editor/reviewer who is familiar with evaluating E-sports sources/sources that aren't from mainstream news media. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    I have no objections to a second opinion from another reviewer, but Wikipedia guidelines do not apply differently based on the topic area. I'm not saying that any of the information here is exceptional and requires featured article–quality sources; when it comes to web content of any kind, the absolute bare minimum for source reliability is an editorial review or attribution to a subject-matter expert such as a qualified academic (which likely wouldn't apply here). It's also important to remember that the biographies of living persons policy applies to the subject of this article, and self-published sources should never be used unless they were by the subject themselves. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    These are not self-published sources. This is how esports coverage looks. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 04:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Pan He

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    • ... that the Chinese sculptor Pan He used his Reunion to commemorate both the handover of Macau and his return to his beloved cousin?
    • Source: Jiang, Xinchen (November 26, 2020). "潘鹤：渔女之父的珠海情缘" [Pan He: The Father of the Fisherwoman and His Love for Zhuhai]. Southcn.com (in Chinese). China South Publishing & MediaGroup. Archived from the original on September 1, 2024. Retrieved September 1, 2024.
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 677 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Apologies, I should have said "not a review (and I review oldest first so would not get to this any time soon)". (Not sure why I forgot, I say that literally every other time.)--Launchballer 01:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
      Full review needed for both articles.--Launchballer 01:32, 3 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Haravijaya

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    • ALT1: ... that the Haravijaya has been praised in many Sanskrit anthologies and works on rhetorics? Source: Peter Pasedach 2011 p.6–7.
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    • Comment: A mahākāvya not studied very often due to its length and technical difficulty. There are a surprising number of gaps in Wikipedia's coverage of Sanskrit and Dharmic literature generally, I'm happy to bring an article from a neglected area to DYK. regards,
    Created by TryKid (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

    TryKid [dubious – discuss] 11:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

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    Anna Haifisch

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    Anna Haifisch
    • ... that the comics character The Artist shares a common temperament with its creator, cartoonist Anna Haifisch (pictured)?
    Created by Munfarid1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.

    Munfarid1 (talk) 20:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Hymenophyllum axsmithii

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    • ... that the filmy fern Hymenophyllum axsmithii was suggested to be closer in relation to a neotropical species group and not a local native species?
    • Source: Pigg et al (2001) page 804 "Similarly, the new record of Hymenophyllum axsmithii as a member of subgenus Sphaerocionium and morphologic similarities to extant epiphytic humid tropical montane forest species of Sphaerocionium highlight climatic and biogeographical linkages between the early Eocene Okanogan Highlands of the Pacific Northwest of North America and the Neotropics. ...the family in the region, which today hosts a single species, Hymenophyllum wrightii" (in a different subgenus per Chang et al 2022 " Subgenus Mecodium"
    • ALT1: ... that researchers want Hymenophyllum axsmithii rhizomes so they can tell if the filmy fern was up a tree? Source: Pigg et al (2021) page 803 "Currently, the fossil record for Hymenophyllaceae reviewed in this article is not sufficiently robust, particularly with respect to critical features of the rhizome, to establish the presence of an epiphytic growth form. ... Clearly, finding additional fossil representatives of Hymenophyllaceae with rhizomes will be essential for documenting the origin and evolution of the epiphytic growth habit within this family.
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Strobilanthes tonkinensis
    Moved to mainspace by Kevmin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 358 past nominations.

    Kevmin § 20:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    The Nualas

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    Gigi Perez, Sailor Song (song)

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    Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk), Ss112 (talk), MC-123 (talk), and Heartleap (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 250 past nominations.

    Launchballer 09:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

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    • Interesting:   - Not a super surprising thing for a songwriter to say

    QPQ:   - Not done
    Overall:   Recognize that QPQs are coming up, so this is a bit early; only issue is I feel like the hook could be a bit more interesting. Mrfoogles (talk) 17:18, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

      Proposing ALT1: "... that songwriter Gigi Perez first went viral for a song on TikTok, where she had begun to upload videos to cope with her grief?". Maybe Gigi Perez could use ALT1, and Sailor Song could use ALT0, if it is possible to add two DYKs with one nomination? Also, since I'm new, if anyone wanted to double-check my copyvio checking that would be appreciated (not that I think there is any). Mrfoogles (talk) 17:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Hello. You can definitely split up a nomination post hoc - see Talk:Lucy Tun for one such example - however hook interestingness does not depend on topic, so if it isn't good enough for Gigi, it won't be good enough for Sailor Song. I've taken the liberty of renumbering your ALT0a to ALT1 as it introduces new information, and would suggest ALT1a: that the "Sailor Song" songstress Gigi Perez first began uploading content to TikTok to cope with grief? - but you will still need a new reviewer for that. I do however wonder if it's worth leaving 'not a democracy' out of ALT0 and running the rest, i.e. ALT0a: ... that the lyrics of Gigi Perez's "Sailor Song" received criticism from far-right conservative Christian communities?--Launchballer 22:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Also, I have no idea what you mean by "QPQs are coming up" - I've done everything required by WP:DYKRI.--Launchballer 15:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    @Mrfoogles: Please address the above.--Launchballer 17:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    @Launchballer: Okay, you could have just asked: we're all volunteers here. I think that when I first reviewed you were only partway through the reviews, so I figured that it probably wasn't time yet. QPQs do look done now; going to leave this to another reviewer to pick the hook. Personally I think ALT0a sounds fine, but I like ALT1 a lot (the exact phrasing might not be perfectly, but I think it's interesting): maybe if it was split, ALT0a could be used without Gigi Perez bolded, and then ALT1 for the second DYK? Otherwise, if they are not split, ALT0a seems good.   Mrfoogles (talk) 18:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply


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    Come In (Weatherday album)

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    • ... that several characters from a webcomic Weatherday wrote appear in their album Come In?
    • Source: [24] "The album as a whole is set up like my webcomic which I sort of based things from the album on along with my own life. The character Agatha is from that comic and same with Oswald and Ines."
    • ALT1: ... that after the original run sold out, vinyl copies of Come In were put up for sale on Discogs for as much as $100? Source: [25] "Last year, U.S. indie label Topshelf, a crucial fourth-wave emo outlet, dropped a double-LP reissue of Come In, and the whole run of 2,000 sold out—if you want a pristine copy, be prepared to pony up $100 on Discogs."
    • ALT2: ... that Come In was recorded on a hands-free microphone attached to a pair of headphones? Source: [26] "I used the headphone mic because I didn’t have a better one and thought I could do without one."
      Album liner notes (viewable on Bandcamp) "Honorable mention to the hands-free mic attached to my headphones which I recorded this album on"
    • ALT3: ... that Come In was inspired by a webcomic that Weatherday wrote? Source: [27] "Mio is a character from a webcomic I made back in 2016-2017 [...] I used Mio on the album cover cause I drew inspiration from the webcomic when I was making the album"
      [28] "The album as a whole is set up like my webcomic which I sort of based things from the album on along with my own life."
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    LeMeilleurMiel (talk) 21:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Moses da Rieti

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    cc @User:GordonGlottal Andre🚐 19:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Or you could just replace "terza rima" with "rhyming verse form" in the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Sure. Andre🚐 18:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply


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    Empirical Labs Distressor

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    The Midnite Wolf (talk) 11:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Michael Sugrue

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    • ... that Michael Sugrue became an "internet phenomenon" during the COVID-19 pandemic for his lectures on YouTube covering "the last 3,000 years of Western intellectual history” recorded in 1992?
    • Source: "Michael Sugrue, 66, Dies; His Talks on Philosophy Were a YouTube Hit

    After an academic career spent in near obscurity, he became an internet phenomenon during the pandemic by uploading talks he had given three decades earlier.

    The college lecturer, in a uniform of rumpled khakis and corduroy blazer, paces on a small stage, head down. “The lectures you’re about to see,” he says in introducing a series of talks, videotaped in somewhat hokey lo-fi style in 1992, “cover the last 3,000 years of Western intellectual history.""

    NY Times
    Moved to mainspace by Thriley (talk), GuardianH (talk), and Etyuxdy (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 142 past nominations.

    Thriley (talk) 17:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    1917 Łódź City Council election

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    • ... that whilst socialists got 31% of the votes in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (campaign poster pictured), they only won five seats due to a curiae system implemented by the German authorities?
    • Source: Telma Tadeusz. Pierwsze wybory do Rady Miejskiej m. Łodzi, in Rocznik Łódzki, Vol. 11 (14). Państwowe Wydawnictwu Naukowe, 1966. pp. 134, 138-146, Antoni Goerne. Wybory do Rady Miejskiej w Lodzi w styczniu 1917, in Informator m Lodzi z kalendarzem na rok 1919. pp. 76-83
    Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 396 past nominations.

    Soman (talk) 11:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    • I'm not taking on the review, but just leaving a comment, as I'm puzzled. Without context, this may not be hook-notable I believe. The question left unaddressed is five seats out of how many. If it is five seats out of 15, this would seen rather non-notable. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:F804:C954:1D4C:5D11 (talk) 03:51, 7 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • I went back and forth on the wording of the sentence, but with the 200 characters cap it is difficult to get all nuances and factoids included. For me "only five" implies that it is less than proportional, but a rewording could be to replace "five seats" with "8%". --Soman (talk) 10:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    General eligibility:

    • New enough:  
    • Long enough:  
    • Other problems:   - Borderline eligible for "lead needs expansion" cleanup tag
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited:  
    • Interesting:   - ?

    Image eligibility:

    • Freely licensed:   - The licensing is incorrect, at issue is not the photograph copyright but the poster itself ({{PD-1923}} in the United States, not sure about Poland)—then you can use {{PD-scan}}
    • Used in article:  
    • Clear at 100px:   - all you can see is a number 5
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall:   The article looks mostly fine, but I'm not sure about the hook. Non-proportional electoral systems are typical outside of continental Europe, where proportional representation based systems are more common. First past the post can cause equal amount of distortion. (t · c) buidhe 04:06, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    But the hook states that the reasons for the disproportionality is the curiae system, which is arguably something different from FPTP dynamics. The curia system would be very weird present-day, to explicitly discriminate in favour of the wealthiest. There are some alternate takes on the on the hook, like ALT1 "... that while 55% of the voters in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) were working class, they only got 10 out of 60 seats due to a curiae system implemented by the German authorities?" or ALT2 ... that the curiae-based electoral system used by German occupation authorities in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) disproportionally favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties? Now ALT2 would require a bit of a rewrite in article and need another image though. --Soman (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Regarding the clarity of image, I selected precisely because it had symbolism that was readable even at 100px. I don't think we'd expect people to read the fine print, but in 100px the number 5 is clearly visible (5 times) and the largest text is readable ('vote for our list'). The designer of the poster wanted that a reader catch the number 5 clearly even from a distance. --Soman (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    My point is that many electoral systems intentionally or not result in disproportionate seats for certain parties at the expense of others, thus it cannot really be a surprising fact that this particular electoral system has that result. (t · c) buidhe 19:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Again, this is not comparable to the issues from FPTP or STV electoral systems. Here was a case where an electoral system was explicitly designed to give a absolute majority to the wealthiest sections of society, with the explicit and publicly stated goal of ensuring a stable conservative majority. Now at the time the principle 1 citizen 1 vote was not universal by any means, but for present-day readers this is certainly something that would raise eyebrows. --Soman (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    I know a bit about how pre-German Revolution electoral systems worked in Germany (and as you've written here, applied to occupied territories), but the average reader doesn't. So I think if you are going to take that angle, it needs to be more clear in the hook. (t · c) buidhe 22:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    @Soman: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 00:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    How about ALT3 - "... that the class-based curiae system used by German occupation authorities in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) disproportionately favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties?" --Soman (talk) 01:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)?Reply

    Tempered chocolate

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    Nan Nan Resources

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    • Source: In 2011, the company would change its identity twice. First to International Resources Enterprise Limited in April, and then to Nan Nan Resources Enterprise Limited in October.
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    Created by DarthCloakedGuy (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    DarthCloakedGuy (talk) 12:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Yumeshima Station

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    ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    • ALT1: ... that Yumeshima Station is scheduled to open in 2025, even though it was first planned to be opened in 2008?

    Just an idea for the nominator (I will not be the reviewer). Bremps... 06:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Teleke Lauti

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    • ... that politician Teleke Lauti unseated a former Prime Minister with a campaign managed by a former Prime Minister?
    • ALT1: ... that politician Teleke Lauti unseated a former Prime Minister, was unseated himself by a future Prime Minister, and later ran again to replace a former Prime Minister? Source: same for 'unseated a former Prime Minister'; lost to Latasi and Kausea Natano (future PM) in 2002 (could add another source verifying Natano as being a future PM if needed); Fenui News for running to replace a former PM (Latasi in 2018)
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Edward J. York
    • Comment: Open to other ways of wording. Would like it if it could be featured by the end of the month, prior to the end of the Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest (since I'm competing with the Tuvalu flag).
    Created by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 246 past nominations.

    BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:02, 10 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    48th Hong Kong International Film Festival

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    Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    References

    1. ^ "國際電影節突取消放映《去年煙花特別多》 陳果感可惜：咩都可以發生" [[Hong Kong] International Film Festival Suddenly Cancels Screening of The Longest Summer — Fruit Chan Expresses Regret: Anything Could Happen.]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 9 March 2024. Retrieved 7 September 2024. 原定在第四十八屆香港國際電影節中放映的《去年煙花特別多》日前突然取消，主辦方指「因找不到合適拷貝而未能放映」，改爲放映電影《墮胎師》。該電影由本港獨立電影導演陳果執導，他回覆本報查詢說，對於《去年》未能放映感到可惜，又稱近日才接獲電影節通知指沒有菲林拷貝而取消放映，不清楚是否涉及其他原因。《去年》於1998年上映，與《香港製造》及《細路祥》合稱「九七三部曲」，以香港主權移交及華裔英兵故事作爲背景，電影中亦穿插主權移交及解放軍入城等片段。 [The screening of The Longest Summer, originally scheduled for the 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival, was suddenly canceled. The organizers stated that it could not be shown "due to the inability to locate suitable copies", and the film The Abortionist will be screened instead. Directed by local independent filmmaker Fruit Chan, he responded to [Ming Pao's] inquiry by expressing regret that The Longest Summer could not be screened. He mentioned that he only recently received notification from the festival that there were no film copies available, and he is unsure if there are other reasons involved. The Longest Summer was released in 1998 and is part of the "1997 Trilogy," along with Made in Hong Kong and Little Cheung. It sets against the backdrop of Hong Kong's sovereignty handover and stories of Chinese-ethnic British soldiers. The film also features segments about the handover and the arrival of the People's Liberation Army.]
    2. ^ "「找不到合適拷貝」 國際電影節撤播《去年煙花特別多 》" ["Unable to Find Suitable Copies": International Film Festival Withdraws Screening of The Longest Summer.]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 10 March 2024. Archived from the original on 9 September 2024. Retrieved 7 September 2024. 第48屆香港國際電影節本月28日開幕，由獨立電影導演陳果執導的《去年煙花特別多》突然被取消放映，改為放映同由陳果執導的《墮胎師》。主辦方在電影節節目及訂票手冊中稱「因找不到合適拷貝而未能放映」。陳果昨回覆本報稱，對於《去》未能放映感可惜，近日才接獲電影節通知稱沒有菲林拷貝而取消放映，不清楚是否涉其他原因。翻查資料，《去》曾於2017年在香港藝術中心古天樂電影院放映，當年主辦方與今屆電影節主辦方同為香港國際電影節協會（HKIFF）。《去》2021年也曾在兆基創意書院放映室放映，播放的是35mm菲林拷貝。 [The 48th Hong Kong International Film Festival opened on the 28th of this month. The screening of The Longest Summer, directed by independent filmmaker Fruit Chan, was suddenly canceled, and it was replaced with The Abortionist, also directed by Fruit Chan. The organizers stated in the festival program and ticketing booklet that it could not be screened "due to the inability to locate suitable copies". Chan expressed regret over the cancellation of The Longest Summer, stating that he only recently received notification from the festival that there were no film copies available and is unsure if there are other reasons involved. According to records, The Longest Summer was previously screened in 2017 at the Hong Kong Arts Centre's Gigi Leung Cinema, with the same organizers as this year's festival, the Hong Kong International Film Festival Society (HKIFF). The film was also screened in 2021 at Lee Shau Kee School of Creativity, using a 35mm film copy.]
    3. ^ Lo, Zabrina (20 March 2024). "Karena Lam on the lack of gender equality in the local film industry, and her ambassadorships with French May and Hong Kong International Film Festival". Tatler Asia. Archived from the original on March 29, 2024. Retrieved 7 September 2024. To say Taiwanese Canadian actress Karena Lam has a packed calendar is an understatement. This year, she replaces Aaron Kwok as the ambassador of the Hong Kong International Film Festival which will take place from March 28 to April 8—becoming the second woman to be offered this position since actress Miriam Yeung in 2011.

    Flag of Falcón state, Monument to the Venezuelan Federation

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    Created by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 398 past nominations.

    Soman (talk) 14:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    New York Hall of Science

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    The New York Hall of Science
    5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 673 past nominations.

    Epicgenius (talk) 19:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Abraham Hamadeh

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    5x expanded by DukeOfDelTaco (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    DukeOfDelTaco (talk) 05:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC).Reply


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    Tore Skeie

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    • ... that Tore Skeie's first book, written while he faced severe financial hardship, won him a prize of NOK 100,000?
    Created by Kimikel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.

    Kimikel (talk) 00:21, 9 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Spearfishing at the Micronesian Games

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    Sahaib (talk) 18:52, 8 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

      Full review needed.--Launchballer 19:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Baguia Fort

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    CMD (talk) 11:26, 8 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Jewish dairy restaurant

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    Andre🚐 09:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    • Not a full review, but the interesting thing about the article is the fact that Jewish dairy restaurants even exist in the first place, considering kosher laws. I'd suggest proposing hooks that focus specifically on that aspect, as least as possible options for the promoter, as the mere concept of the Jewish dairy restaurant is the elephant in the room here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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    Funnyback

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    1928 Funnyback
    • ... that people referred to the 1928 US$1 silver certificate as a Funnyback (pictured)?
    Moved to mainspace by Bruxton (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 154 past nominations.

    Bruxton (talk) 21:59, 10 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Catharina Weiss

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    Catharina Weiss
    Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 432 past nominations.

    Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:22, 9 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

      Full review needed. You are welcome to take up the otiosity of that rule at WT:DYK in the interim.--Launchballer 18:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Alison Creagh

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    Alison Creagh
    Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 431 past nominations.

    Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Santa (singer)

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    Santa sings Vivre pour le Meilleur
    Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 430 past nominations.

    Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    David de Pomis

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    Andre🚐 01:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Middlesex Regiment alien labour units

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    Created by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 875 past nominations.

    Dumelow (talk) 11:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

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    Emi Shinohara

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    ミラP@Miraclepine 02:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    •   I'm getting slightly different numbers than stated in the nom, but either way, ignoring the list which seems correct, this is more than x5 expansion. QPQ done. No copyvio identified in English source checks, and article is presentable.
      The cited source for "Shinohara was born in Fukushima Prefecture" states she was born in Nagano Prefecture. Discography could be mentioned in the lead.
      Hook is sourced and in the article. Some work has started on Rika Fukami, happy to hold if that will also expand. CMD (talk) 08:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • @Chipmunkdavis: Done and done; English-language sources like ANN tends to conflate 出生 (birthplace) and 出身 (place of origin), so I've noted that Fukushima is most commonly cited in RS as the birthplace. I'm very busy with school, but I have no problem with Fukami on the off-chance I am able to expand that (assuming the deadline is 9/22). ミラP@Miraclepine 14:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    For what it's worth, the original hook is probably better than ALT1. ALT1 just seems too complicated and distracts from the actual interesting fact (that they were born on the same date). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Pituamkek National Park Reserve

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    Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

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    Overall:   New enough, long enough, sourced and neutral, Earwig detects no copyvio issues other than long names and quoted passages, the hook is interesting. I am awaiting the QPQ as mentioned by the nominator. Ivanvector I want to clarify with you the value of "4,000 years" mentioned in the hook. I see a value of 3000 years as mentioned by "suggest the possible presence of a drowned site dating within the Woodland Period (which spans from about 3000 years ago to the recent historic period)." but I'm not sure whether the "to the recent historic period" is inclusive of an additional thousand years or not, I am not familiar with the terminology enough to make my own determination. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    @Ivanvector: Note that per a recent rule change, a QPQ should have been provided at the time of the nomination. Please provide one as soon as possible, as the nomination may be closed without further warning unless a QPQ is given. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Margaret Reid (politician)

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    Reidgreg (talk) 12:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Actually, looking at the article, I'm surprised the following wasn't proposed:
    ALT1 ... that Margaret Reid is the first woman to serve as President of the Australian Senate? (Source: "Rising Above the Genteel Rumble of the Pink Palace" Canberra Times at ProQuest 1016152950 (via Wikipedia Library) "She made Australian political history on August 20, 1996 when she became the first woman President of the Senate."
    Although a "first" hook (a kind of hook that has been discouraged on DYK as of late), it is one that should be relatively easy to verify/support and thus not as an exceptional of a claim as most other "first" hooks. In addition, it's the highlight of her career, but more importantly, probably more interesting to a broad audience than just merely losing an election then winning/being appointed again later. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Thanks, ALT1 looks good to me; I've added a source already cited in the article at that sentence (in the body). She had some other "firsts" (first and only president representing a territory, first female deputy president, and I thought first female whip though I'm not finding a source on that right now) but only included the major one so as not to emphasize this too much per WP:FIRSTWOMAN. I wouldn't put it in the lead sentence, but it seems fine to me for DYK. If there are objections, though, I don't mind withdrawing the nomination. I also piped women to Women in the Australian Senate if that's alright. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Abdur Rahman Mahmudi

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    Abdur Rahman Mahmudi
    • ... that imprisoned Afghan politician Abdur Rahman Mahmudi (pictured) would write poems using onion juice as ink in his jail cell?
    • Source: Louis Dupree. Red Flag Over Hindu Kush: Leftist movements in Afghanistan. AUFS, 1979. p. 17
    Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 399 past nominations.

    Soman (talk) 10:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

      Continuing the review: the article is new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination, and no close paraphrasing was detected. A QPQ has been done, and the provided hook is interesting and cited inline. Given that I do not have access to the hook fact, I am assuming good faith here. This is almost ready to go: I would just like to see the relevant excerpt here be provided for verification purposes; the tick will be given once that's done. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    "Dr. Abdur Rahman MAHMUDI. Born 1909. [...] Beaten in prison, kidneys virtually destroyed. Wrote poems in prison using onion juice as ink" --Soman (talk) 21:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    KAUT-TV

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    Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:32, 10 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

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    It's OK I'm OK

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    Created by MaranoFan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 74 past nominations.

    NØ 07:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Ernest de Munck

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    Created by AsYouWish13 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    AsYouWish13 02:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Johannesteijsmannia lanceolata

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    Table Saw, Leng Guan; Chan, Yoke Mui (January 2009). "The Uses of Johannesteijsmannia by Indigenous Communities and the Current Ornamental Trade in the Genus". Palms. 53 (3): 147–152. Retrieved 11 September 2024.
      • Reviewed: Pituamkek National Park Reserve
      • Comment: Tan and Lee refer to kenduri as a "celebration feast", Yoke Mui Chan identifies this specifically as kenduri in the table provided (citation 2, "The Uses of Johannesteijsmannia by Indigenous Communities and the Current Ornamental Trade in the Genus", in this nomination). Thank you in advance to the reviewer for their time, I will provide a QPQ hopefully later today. Done!
    Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 42 past nominations.

    Ornithoptera (talk) 21:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    •   This is new enough and long enough. QPQ done. Some copyediting is needed to reduce close paraphrasing from the most-used source. I also think a new hook is needed. The hook suggests the selective collection is universal, while the article states this is only for the Orang Asli of Negeri Sembilan. If a fact is to be made about a group or groups of Orang Asli, I am unsure why the Malay name would be used in the hook. Lastly, the linked kenduri article suggests that the practice is Javanese, which is quite removed from Negeri Sembilan Orang Asli. CMD (talk) 08:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • Hi Chipmunkdavis! Thank you for taking the time to read through the article, I will try my best to address your concerns and see what we can do to resolve your concerns:
    1. "Some copyediting is needed" I will work to resolve this in a few, I will reply to this once completed. It should be resolved now.
    2. "Orang Asli of Negeri Sembilan." I will propose an updated hook, or workshop an ALT1 to address this concern if that could help.
    3. "I am unsure why the Malay name would be used in the hook." Tan and Lee identify the language as Malay, and the Orang Asli communities presumably used Malay when communicating with Yoke Mui Chan. I can also just refer to J. lanceolata as the "slender joey", but the vagueness of chica could be hook-ier.
    4. "the linked kenduri article suggests that the practice is Javanese" Kenduri is in fact not exclusively Javanese, it is practiced in Malaysia as well. Per Britannica: "important life events ... are usually celebrated by a feast, known in Malay as kenduri ... In rural areas the kenduri is normally held at the house of the host family." I'm assuming that the original author of the Wiki article was or is more familiar with the practice in an Indonesian context but both countries have kenduri, and Saw and Chan explicitly identify the practice as kenduri.
    Hope this can address all the bases outlined by your concerns. Thank you for your time! Ornithoptera (talk) 23:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Examples that are too close text-wise:
    • "Compared to related species, the leaves of the Slender Joey are narrower"/"Compared to other species in the same genus, the leaves of this species are narrower"
    • "The leaves of the palm were used by local Indigenous peoples for roof thatching"/"The leaves of this palm are used by the local indigenous people for making roof thatch"
    More broadly, the Description section has copied the structure of the source, each sentence mirroring the source's sentence placement.
    To clarify, I don't object to the Malay name per se, it's just that when reading about an Orang Asli tradition I would expect to see nouns from their indigenous language. However, you make a good point that they are likely to have communicated with others in Malay.
    Would you be able to make a very small edit to kenduri based on your knowledge, so that its use in the hook will make sense to readers? Then we could also specify that the hook refers to the Orang Asli of Negeri Sembilan and the hook concept will work. CMD (talk) 03:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Pabhāvatī

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    A painting of Pabhāvatī.
    Created by Hteiktinhein (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Hteiktinhein (talk) 11:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    •   The article is new enough and long enough, no QPQ is needed. The article seems mostly sourced to the primary source, but having a quick search I am satisfied the subject has further coverage. While the source given in this nomination is non-English and without a page number, the hook is sourced in the article to the primary source which does support it. The article would be improved by the use of page numbers for sources. I am unsure about the image copyright, I do not think it can be own work as it is a photograph of an artwork. CMD (talk) 09:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • @Chipmunkdavis:, Thank you for reviewing my first DYK submission. The 'ancient-buddhist-texts' English source is a primary source, but I added it mainly for clarity and better understanding in English. The article is fully supported by the Burmese source, and even without the 'ancient-buddhist-texts' reference, it remains comprehensive. The Burmese source, Kutha Zatdaw (PDF), Myanmar Alin (in Burmese), 16 June 2005, p. 10, is sufficient to cover the entire article. An article from the Myanmar Academy of Arts and Science is also an additional reference that can be used to verify the entire content of the article. If you're unable to verify the Burmese source, please feel free to seek assistance from other Burmese-speaking editors. And I added more English source and page numbers.
    Regarding the image, the Buddhist temple artwork is not copyrighted, which is a common case in Myanmar. Buddhist Jataka tales are often depicted in many temples and monasteries across Myanmar. For instance, File:071 The Defeat of Alavaka (9022063790).jpg is an example. In Myanmar and Thailand, temple arts of Buddha cosmology are generally not subject to copyright. Thanks! Hteiktinhein (talk) 20:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Shin Iza Gawna

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    Created by Hteiktinhein (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Hteiktinhein (talk) 09:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    agreed! Thanks for new hook but full review needed. Hteiktinhein (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Lisa Blatt

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    • ... that Lisa Blatt is the first woman to argue 50 cases in the US Supreme Court—over 80% of them wins—and that she "elicits laughs and the occasional sharp response from the justices"?
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    Improved to Good Article status by SilverLocust (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

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    Isaac Vincent

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    • ... that Isaac Vincent, nicknamed Honest Ike, stole over $200,000 from the Alabama treasury?
    Created by Jon698 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 76 past nominations.

    Jon698 (talk) 01:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Danton Barto

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    • ... that despite still being the Memphis Tigers' all-time leading tackler over 30 years after his college career ended, Danton Barto never made it to the NFL?
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    Created by WikiOriginal-9 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Benjamin Franklin Shumard

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    Oak species named after Benjamin F. Shumard
    • ... that an assistant to Texas chief geologist Benjamin Franklin Shumard named an oak species in his honor, but then foiled his reinstatement after he was let go by newly-elected Governor Sam Houston?
    • Source: in his honor: Buckley, Samuel Botsford (1860). "Description of Several New Species of Plants". Proc. Acad. Nat. Sci. Philadelphia. 12 (published 1861): 443–445 – via JSTOR.

    got him fired, see page 7, line 4 of this source: Roessler, A. R. "Reply to the charges made by SB Buckley, State Geologist of Texas, in his official report of 1874, against Dr. BF Shumard and AR Roessler." (1875). https://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/bc3d474b-4e53-4980-8240-9b48ba20b33d/content

    see also: p.144 (p2 of pdf): Young, Keith (1994-01-01). "The Shumards in Texas". Earth Sciences History. 13 (2): 143–153.
      • ALT1: ... that Texas chief geologist Benjamin Franklin Shumard had an oak species named in his honor by an assistant in 1860, who then stymied Shumard's reappointment by Texas Governor Sam Houston? Source: same as above, trying different wording
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    Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    ProfGray (talk) 18:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    The Taehongdang Party Secretary

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    Created by Chipmunkdavis (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 45 past nominations.

    CMD (talk) 17:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Archcliffe Fort

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    Archcliffe Fort entrance
    • ... that Archcliffe Fort (entrance pictured) in Dover, England, the site of which has served a defensive purpose since the mediaeval period, is now used by a homeless charity?
    • Source: "In 1370, a watchtower surrounded by a chalk bank and ditch had been built on the site of the present Archcliffe Fort ... Today, what remains of the stronghold is used by the Emmaus Community, a charitable group working to help homeless people by providing accommodation and work for them." from: Lepage, Jean-Denis G. G. (20 July 2023). British Fortifications, 1485-1945: An Illustrated History. McFarland. p. 105. ISBN 978-1-4766-8971-5.
    • ALT1: ... that much of Archcliffe Fort(entrance pictured) in Dover, England, was demolished in the 1920s to allow for expansion of a railway? Source: "In the 1920s, the southern half of the fort was demolished to make way for a railway line." from the same source as ALT0
    • ALT2: ... that in 1666 soldiers at Archcliffe Fort (entrance pictured) in Dover, England, lit fires, fired cannons and rang bells as a precaution against the plague? Source: "In 1666, with the Great Plague at its height, the terrified garrison lit fires, fired guns and rang bells to keep the dreaded disease at bay." from: Ingleton, Roy (19 January 2013). Fortress Kent. Casemate Publishers. pp. 148–151. ISBN 978-1-78303-606-6.
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pete Wade
    Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 878 past nominations.

    Dumelow (talk) 11:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    U Wasawa

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    Created by Hteiktinhein (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Hteiktinhein (talk) 09:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

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    Virginia Beach Police Department

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    Created by SSBelfastFanatic (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Erin (SSBelfastFanatic) (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    St. Stephen's Episcopal Church (San Luis Obispo, California)

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    St. Stephen's Episcopal Church in San Luis Obispo, California
    • Source: "Phoebe Apperson Hearst died on April 13, 1919.

    She was one of America’s greatest philanthropists, having given away more than $21 million to educa- tional and charitable causes. She was instrumental in the founding of the Parent Teachers Association as a national movement. She also successfully pro- moted kindergartens as an aspect of American edu- cation. She helped many causes on the Central Coast. She gave a pipe organ to her parish when in residence at the Rancho Piedra Blanca: St. Ste- phen's Episcopal Church in San Luis Obispo"

    https://southcountyhistory.org/Newsletters/June2020.pdf (Page 5). An archived 1986 San Luis Obispo Tribune article by Dr. Dan Kreiger
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    Created by Derpytoucan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Derpytoucan (talk) 00:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

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    Love Lies (2024 film)

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    • ... that to help the production crew save on the budget, Sandra Ng wore her own clothes while filming Love Lies?
    Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 16 past nominations.

    Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 15:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    References

    1. ^ Hsia, Heidi (22 April 2024). "Sandra Ng wears her own clothes for "Love Lies"". Yahoo! Life. Archived from the original on 18 May 2024. Retrieved 13 September 2024.
    2. ^ Kwong, Lenka (6 June 2023). "「Threads」社交應用程式熱潮來襲！到底一眾名人的首個帖子內容是甚麼？" [The Threads social media app craze is here! What exactly is the content of the first posts from these celebrities?]. Harper's Bazaar (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 13 September 2024. Retrieved 12 September 2024.

    Grupo Mexicano de Desarrollo, S.A. v. Alliance Bond Fund, Inc.

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    SilverLocust 💬 05:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

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    Nathania Ong

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    Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 171 past nominations.

    KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    Marie Marcks

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    Marie Marcks in 2006
    • ... that Marie Marcks (pictured) was called the Grande Dame of political cartoons in Germany?
    Created by Munfarid1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 24 past nominations.

    Munfarid1 (talk) 11:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    June Franklin

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    • Source: "In recognition of her demonstrated leadership skills, she was elected during the 63rd General Assembly to the position of Assistant Minority Leader of the Democratic House. Franklin is the first African-American to hold such a leadership position in either major political party in Iowa." - Silag, Bill (2001). Outside In: African-American History In Iowa 1838-2000. State Historical Society of Iowa. pp. 349–350. ISBN 0890330131.
    Created by SL93 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 417 past nominations.

    SL93 (talk) 00:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    • Not a huge fan of the hook angle given that being an assistant minority leader doesn't seem as impressive being an actual minority leader. There do seem to be some other possible alternatives in the article so here they are:
    ALT1 ... that Iowa politician June Franklin worked as an insurance agent and a real estate agent prior to entering politics?
    ALT1a ... that Iowa state representative June Franklin worked as an insurance agent and a real estate agent prior to entering politics?
    ALT2 ... that Iowa politician June Franklin wrote to 10 members of the US Congress urging them to declare Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday a federal holiday?
    ALT3 ... that state representative June Franklin addressed the nation from the Iowa State Capitol following the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.?
    Most partial to ALT1/ALT1a myself but I'll leave it to a reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:24, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

    Brussels Party Conference of the Communist Party of Germany

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    • Source: Hans Kluth. Die KPD in der Bundesrepublik: Ihre politische Tätigkeit und Organisation 1945 – 1956. Springer-Verlag, 2013. pp. 12, 15
    Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 400 past nominations.

    Soman (talk) 11:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

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    Verna Mersereau

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    • ... that American stage actress Verna Mersereau performed her ancient classical dances before the royalty of Calcutta?
    Created by Silver seren (talk) and FloridaArmy (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 128 past nominations.

    SilverserenC 01:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    American Writers

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    • Source: Pages 568–569 of this dissertation includes a long quote from Garrison's piece in the Newburyport Herald reacting to American Writers, including: "A word of advice to Mr. Neal before we part. If he venture to place his foot again on our soil, we say — Critic! gardez bien! or you may reap that reward for your vile labors, which you so richly merit."
    Created by Dugan Murphy (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.

    Dugan Murphy (talk) 01:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

    AmBisyon Natin 2040

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    • ... that a plan was made by the government itself to fix the Philippines's government?
    5x expanded by TheNuggeteer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.

    🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

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    Law of reentry

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    • Source: "Mr. Irwin Smith [...] has demonstrated conclusively that all the apparent exceptions to the "Law of Reentry" be explained and justified in one way or another. His thesis, which I take to be unexceptionable, provides the clinching proof that Macbeth is not the Third Murderer" — The Third Murderer in Macbeth
    • ALT1: ... that the law of reentry is cited as an explanation for a character's abrupt exit off the stage in Richard II? Source: "Almost the only “rule” in London theater that was still faithfully followed was the one we now call, for convenience, the law of reentry [...]. Thus, in Richard II, John of Gaunt makes an abrupt and awkward departure purely to be able to take part in a vital scene that follows." — Shakespeare: The World as Stage; also discussed in Their Exits and Reentrances, p. 9 and Shakespeare's Hand in "The Second Maiden's Tragedy" p. 5
    • ALT2: ... that because of the law of reentry, characters in Elizabethan theatre could not leave the stage at the end of a scene and immediately reenter in the next? Source: "Finally, a word may be said about Prolss' "Law of Re-entry" as it bears upon the matter of act-intermissions. Briefly the law is this: Characters leaving the stage at the end of a scene to reappear at another locality are, to avoid confusion, not permitted to re-enter immediately" — The "Act Time" in Elizabethan Theatres
    • ALT3: ... that some scholars believe many scenes in English Renaissance plays include "speeches or even scenes otherwise unnecessary" to avoid violating the law of reentry? Source: "Neuendorff considers Prölsz's Law of Re-entry (that no character shall leave the stage and immediately re-enter if the scene is meanwhile supposed to have changed) at some length, and finds it of the greatest influence upon dramatic construction. It accounts for the many scenes beginning or ending with a monologue, and for the insertion of speeches or even scenes otherwise unnecessary." — What We Know of the Elizabethan Stage
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    • Comment: Since this article deals with something governing the way characters exit and enter the stage in English Renaissance plays, I'm not actually sure if any of these run afoul of the "must focus on a real-world fact" thing, so I've provided a lot of hooks.
    5x expanded by TenTonParasol (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

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    SDSS J0849+1114

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    SDSS J084905.51+111447.2 composite image with Chandra Observatory Hubble space telescope and The Large Binocular Telescope.
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    Created by TarnishedPath (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    TarnishedPathtalk 12:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC).Reply

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    The holding area is near the top of the Approved page. Please only place approved templates there; do not place them below.

    Do not nominate articles in this section—nominate all articles in the nominations section above, under the date on which the article was created or moved to mainspace, or the expansion began; indicate in the nomination any request for a specially timed appearance on the main page.
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