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Deletion

• [For earlier parts of this thread see previous archive.]

• Please remember that we are all volunteers. I have thought about it and am satisfied that what I did was necessary and sufficient. Far from being quintessential, notifying you of errors was entirely optional and I opted not to notify you. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:54, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I would advise you the same thing actually. Even though it is optional to notify me, I would say that what you did, did not in anyway help neither the community that is en.wiki, nor did it help the user in question (me). If you choose to delete a question from a user, without notifying them of this, you are actually preventing them from being a part of en.wiki and in worst case, pushing a new user away. On the other hand, had you notified the user (again, me), that you deleted the entry and told the user where to post the entry instead, you would have succeded in deleting the entry AND helping the user towards a meaningful answer. Surely, as you can see, I managed to find the help that I was looking for (thank you Graeme Bartlett for the help). I am very disappointed, that an administrator, would act the way you have done in this case - and furthermore to be satisfied with this way of acting. Hopefully you will be more aware of how to help normal users, as this is also a part of being an admin (see WP:ADMINACCT - Failure to communicate). Kind regards Tøndemageren (talk) 19:01, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Please, do not remove my comment, from where it was originally placed - I have now reposted it, in its original place (as per WP:Talk page guidelines). Please keep the discussion where it was started, as breaking it up might confuse other users. I am seriously thinking about taking your behaviour to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents now, as you demonstrate a worringly lack of basic wikiquette and -knowledge. Kind regards Tøndemageren (talk) 22:10, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Uncertainty

Please help to restore a deleted page. Dear RHaworth, This is Antielude, the creator of the item ASCE-ASME Journal of Risk and Uncertainty in Engineering Systems Part A: Civil Engineering; Part B: Mechanical Engineering. I have just noticed that you have deleted this item since it seems to violate the "G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion'. I feel sorry for any improper content in this item and I respect your decision. And I want to re-modify or recreate it to make it fully match the Wiki standards. So could you please kindly help me to retrieve all the content of the deleted item and send it to me so that I can modify/recreate new item based on it. I really appreciate your time and help. Many thanks. Antielude (talk) 07:05, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

• Learn wikilinks! That way I will see a link to the appropriate format depending on the device I am using. Please have the decency to wait until someone who a) can think of a less ponderous title and b) has no CoI and c) can make your screamingly non-notable journal appear notable, writes about it here. The best it deserves is to be created as a redirect to ASCE Library. Please read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:54, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

• [For middle parts of this thread see previous archive.]

Hi RHaworth, I have received your email just now and thanks again for your help. BTW, we prepare to modify the content and try to recreate it later. Could you please kindly give us some more suggestions. As the msg showed before, the existing item violates the 'G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion'. Does this mean the current content contains too much about sele-promoting the journal? Or it is simply because we have made several citations from the journal's own webpage? Please kindly point out any problems and feel free to give us suggestions. Thanks in advance for your time and help. Antielude (talk) 13:53, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

• The only advice I am willing to give is my sentence above containing the word "decency". — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:37, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Why was Draft:Citizen Cider deleted?

I was the original creator off all the Untapped resources as they are direct copies of what is on the company website which I wrote. The Vermont Guides gave us permission to post their content across our media and I gave them credit. Can you please clarify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigBob27 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

@BigBob27: see Wikipedia:donating copyrighted materials. We do not accept copyrighted material without written permission from its owner. Since you did not have written permission, it was deleted as a copyright violation. If you can supply acceptable proof that the copyright's owner donated it to you (Or that you are the copyright owner), then put it forward and RHaworh will undelete your page. 20:15, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

How do I prove I wrote it? Do you want a screen shot from the company giving permission? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigBob27 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

• Don't bother establishing copyright permission - if I had not deleted it as copyvio, I would have deleted it as spam. If you are not prepared to take the trouble to write an encyclopedia article about your company then you don't deserve an article. But preferably you will leave it to someone with no CoI. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:37, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello

Hey, you deleted the user page but didn't move it back to sandbox User:Jayjijau/sandbox . Please fix this. Thanks. ‐‐ 1997kB (talk) 15:25, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

• Which user page are you talking about? Restore it? You cannot be serious: a) it was in Marathi and b) if it had been translated into English it would have counted as using Wikipedia as a free host. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:37, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Apologies, I took it all wrong, actually user was trying to rename their account and that's why they moved their sandbox to that userpage and I thought just moving it back to fix the problem that's why I requested on IRC to move it back and delete the talk but yeah deleting was an option too. I'll just remove the redirect from sandbox. Thanks! ‐‐1997kB (talk) 03:00, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Herb Greene (Architect and Artist)

Dear RHaworth. This morning at 8:22 you deleted my draft article titled Herb Greene (Architect and Artist) I received no notice before the draft was deleted and was not given any opportunity to rewrite the draft. The reason you gave for deletion is (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion). My motivation as a wikipedia contributor is to create pages about people of art historical significance that do not currently have a wikipedia page. I particularly focus on post-war generation artists who were educators in their field and have reliable scholarship to cite as reference material for the wikipedia article. I will certainly make any changes that you and other editors request if you can restore the draft article. I am aware that wikipedia articles need to be written in a neutral language to preserve the integrity of the site as an encyclopedic resource. I also respect the review process required before a draft is approved for publication, however deletion without requesting edits, gives the writer no recourse for improving the article draft while it is in progress. — NewQi (talk) 17:21, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

• In two years of contributing you have not learnt: wikilinks, how to do section headings and that we do not shout them, that architect and artist in that context take lower case A's and new messages go at thebottom of this page. Text emailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:37, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Tottenham Hotspur Stadium

Just a note that I'm restoring the speedy delete for the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium as it is blocking a move from User:Govvy/Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. A redirect to Northumberland Development Project is no longer needed as the stadium warrants its own article. The Northumberland Development is a larger project than the stadium, and the development will continue for a few years after the stadium has been completed, it is therefore not the same as the stadium. — Hzh (talk) 00:00, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

MAL

Proposed unprotection of MyAnimeList for impending article creation. Hi there. I'm messaging you about an article you have create-protected. The article has been deleted due to non-notability, but that has changed since the last deletion. I created an encyclopedic draft (Draft:MyAnimeList) for this article a week or so ago per the recent media coverage. I have sourced it with publications by Kotaku, CBS News, Forbes, and Anime News Network. I'm messaging to get the creation protection lifted. — R9tgokunks ⯃ 04:10, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

• If the draft gets approved then undeletion will be uncontroversial. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:23, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Deleting a sandbox page??

Why in the world would you put a 'speedy request' to delete my sandbox page? Your reasoning for deleting my page was because "Wikipedia is not a blog, web hosting service, social networking service, or memorial site". How did any of the content in my sandbox fall under this category? The content in my sandbox was a draft for the content of a company's help page that I do not have access to yet. I am new to Wikipedia, only using it for about a week now, and I'm already sour about it because of users like you. Instead of deleting sandboxes for unrelated reasons, why don't you message the user first and ask why the page looks like an incomplete help page. Then, you'll be really contributing to the community instead of making innocent user like me infuriated. You're not making Wikipedia better by abusing new users. For a user who has been editing Wikipedia for over 13 years, I expect you to behave in a more constructive way. — Kaylabrownie (talk) 16:06, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

• Being dealt with on other pages. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:23, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Hedgewars

Hi, I worked on the article Hedgewars to bring it to level that it can be part of Wikipedia. Why it was now deleted in my user space? I don't think this was necessary. — Shaddim (talk) 23:55, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

You may or may not find it interesting to read User talk:JamesBWatson#Hedgewars, particularly this pair of edits. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 00:08, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

G4 does not fit at all as reason for speedy deletion. G4: *"This applies to sufficiently identical copies, having any title, of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion.[2] It excludes pages [...] content that has been moved to user space or converted to a draft for explicit improvement"* re-instantiate the page immediately! — Shaddim (talk) 18:27, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

When you quoted that you missed out "but not simply to circumvent Wikipedia's deletion policy". The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:36, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, this is not fair. Working on a draft is a mentioned use case there! The policy explicitly speaks about improving an article as draft. And it also makes big sense! What is your point overall in preventing people working on articles? — Shaddim (talk) 21:09, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

• "Two AfDs and two deletion reviews" - have to be overcome. If you really think you can show it to be notable, work on it on your own machine untli it is ready to be posted in draft: space with immediate submission. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:15, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

User space drafting is an accepted & policy recognized mechnism in Wikipedia for good reason - collaboration and review. Your g4 deletion had no ground, drafting is explicitly an use case encouraged! Your accusation on me of "deletion evasion" is baseless and meaningless. I challenge you to re-instantiate the article in my userspace now for drafting. — Shaddim (talk) 07:38, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

• Now at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 June 18. —Cryptic 07:48, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Anca Pop

Why did you delete the draft? I was waiting for her to be notable so I can publish the article. — MUST BE Love on the Brain. 10:45, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

• You have told me why I deleted: she is not notable. Drafts are not allowed to hang about indefinitely. Keep the text on your computer until she / if she ever becomes notable. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:15, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Lady Kitty Spencer

I have recreated the article through draft submission for Kitty Spencer. I would like to make Lady Kitty Spencer a redirect to her article, since she is commonly referred to as such (as indicated by the sources in her article). Would you be able to reopen the page for a redirect? -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 21:44, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

• Done. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Gatlin Brothers Southwest Senior Classic

Please reconsider your speedy deletion of Gatlin Brothers Southwest Senior Classic. I'd added several refs and was about to contest the speedy when you deleted it. It was not only important/significant but noteable event. Tewapack (talk) 17:48, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

• Restored to draft:Gatlin Brothers Southwest Senior Classic. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

4TU

Dear RHaworth, I am writing in connection with the deletion of 4TU.Centre for Research Data. It was part of work I was doing to introduce staff and students at my university to Wikipedia, where I am trying to get more people interested in contributing. The work on the article was ongoing and I was surprised to see it deleted without any discussion whatsoever. Advice about how to improve it would have been much appreciated. The momentum and enthusiasm that I had build up with some of the contributors has now gone. If you could restore the article, we could get back on to it, improve the article and support new contributors. Many thanks 18:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcia0069 (talk • contribs)

• Restored to draft:4TU.Centre for Research Data. May I suggest that before you introduce others, you become more familiar with Wikipedia standards like: wikilinks, demoting external links to the end, not inventing categories, etc. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

• Great, thanks Xcia0069 (talk) 12:12, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Pacifism in France

Would you mind undeleting Draft:Pacifism in France? I have no idea what was on it, but I would like to have the text to give me a start for my new article. L293D (☎ • ✎) 01:28, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

• Restored. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Skandha (disambiguation)

I'll keep this brief: given the arguments I advanced on its talk page, can you explain why the redirect Skandha (disambiguation) is "obviously" not necessary? I feel it at least deserves an RfD. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 01:35, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

• I think that a (disambiguation) page that is a redirect is utterly pointless. But if you recreate this one, I shall take no action. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:08, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Kudpung/What do admins do?

 You are invited to join the discussion at User:Kudpung/What do admins do?. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:31, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Adminstats templates being recreated?

Hello RHaworth. Please see WP:RFPP where a bunch of templates are up for salting, for instance Template:Adminstats/Caulde. I notice you recently deleted a couple of these, and I wonder if you agree with the salting. I can't quite determine how they are being recreated. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 12:26, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Never mind. Per the responses at RFPP I think User:Ivanvector is working on a solution. He does not think protection is the answer. EdJohnston (talk) 22:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

That's roughly right, it seems to be a misbehaving bot. There's a thread in User talk:Cyberpower678 about it. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 04:26, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Łukasz Fabiański

Hello RHaworth, could you please semi-protect Łukasz Fabiański, lots of IP vandalism. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 09:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

• Done. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:30, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Human without Border Movement

You may wish to revoke talk page access.--Cahk (talk) 10:59, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

• Done. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:30, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Chris Dorsey draft deleted

Hi RHaworth, I've noticed that my draft Chris Dorsey has been recently deleted. I am still very keen to finish my contribution and apologise at the same time that I've not been able to work on my draft for the past few months. I would like to ask you if you could, please, kindly undelete my draft. I thank you in advance and hope to hear from you soon. Kind Regards, Irena Iha777 (talk) 22:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

• Restored. Make sure you do not leave it untouched for another six months. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:30, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Restore Draft:Know Labs

Page: Know Labs Hello, RHaworth I am writing you in hopes that you will restore our company page that I created a couple days ago. I don't understand how the Business Wire press releases for my company qualify as copy write infringement, because we wrote them and published those articles ourselves via Business Wire. But, if it is the case that these links will void our page and [1]. I do will not use those articles. Thanks again, Tyler — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tylerodenthal (talk • contribs) 01:25, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

• Please wait until someone with no CoI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:30, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Unnamed fireboat, North Kingstown, RI redux

I missed your reply. I am currently being wikistalked, so I'd prefer you perform the move from draft:unnamed fireboat, North Kingstown, RI to user space. If I perform the move my really nasty wikistalkers are liable to level accusation of impropriety at me.

The wikipedia can be uneven. Articles on topics in some areas are subjected to a higher notability criteria than others. While there is no special purpose notability guideline for marine vessels, such vessels are almost always kept. You wrote you have "No strong feelings..." Should I assume that means you have no strong feelings as to whether or not the wikipedia should have an article on the fireboat? If you felt strongly the topic did not merit an article I would appreciate you saying so. Of course you don't have to do that. But, with regard to deletion, we have procedures for that. We have speedy deletions, prods, and afds. But I am not aware of any procedures that authorizes a third party to move material to draft space.

You surprised me when you wrote "getting rid of stale material from draft space is slightly easier than doing so from user space."

1. If I decide to delete the material, I apply a {{g7}}.
2. If I move the material back to article space, you, or anyone else can use CSD, prod, or AFD, if it seems appropriate.
3. If I keep the material in user space, because I am not ready to try restoring it to article space, and I am waiting for more references, I can't really imagine what would make you want to delete the material, but if you, or anyone else, thought it merited deletion, trying to voice the concern to me would be a valid choice. Or you, or that third party, could initiate an mfd.

You said you wanted deletion to be "slightly easier"? Okay, why should it be easier than G7, CSD, prod, Afd or Mfd? — Geo Swan (talk) 03:06, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

• I recommend you to spend more time editing Wikipedia and less time talking about doing it. You may take it from the fact that I rescued it from speedy deletion, that I think the subject is potentially notable.

"No strong feelings" refers simply to the choice between draft and user space. "Slightly easier": my interpretation of the rules is that anything in draft: space that has been untouched for more than six months may be deleted whether or not it has an AfC tag. There is no similar rule for user space. In that space I usually only look at stuff more than twelve months stale and I usually get away with using mis-use of Wikipedia as a free host as the deletion reason. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:30, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Deletion of Henley & Partners Passport Index

Dear RHaworth. I wanted to contribute on the Henley & Partners Passport Index page and just realised that the entire page looks different to what it looked like two days ago. Did you change something? Talk:Henley & Partners Passport Index mentions that you deleted it. Kind regards Laura Marroni (talk) 10:41, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

• If, and only if you have no CoI there are some things you need to learn like: provide links on talk pages and the difference between a talk page and the deletions, etc. log report. The talk page says nothing about my deleting it. The log does. It was a case we see from time to time where a valid page gets hi-jacked by someone with a CoI resulting in its being deleted. In this case I deleted the last fifteen months of edits to get to a state which did not look like copyvio. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:58, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Dear RHaworth. Thanks for your reply, this is much appreciated. How does deleting more than 1 year of information help? The page now contains old figures and its information is inaccurate or outdated. The Henley & Partners Passport Index is a well known index and is featured in many newspaper articles worldwide. As I am personally very interested in this matter (having multiple passports myself I am affected by this topic personally) I would prefer to see that the latest information is available on Wikipedia. Would you be so kind to restore the parts that you deleted? Kind regards, Laura Marroni (talk) 10:44, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

• How did it help? It saved the page from being completely deleted as Broccoli and Coffee were requesting. Instead of being a page about the company, it was turning into a copy of their website and so stuff had to be deleted as copyvio. I have emailed you one state so you can judge for yourself. No: the latest information should not be on Wikipedia - it is likely to go out of date. The latest information should be on the H&P website. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:02, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Bombarika

Hello RHaworth, is it possible to protect Bombarika from creation in mainspace? The creator who is an employee of Street Lamp Games and has a conflict of interest repeatedly creating it in mainspace and each time I moved this article to draft space for a review he requested speedy deletion. I left a note on his talk page and asked him to disclose his relationship with the company but there is no reply and he is constantly violating WP:COIEDIT. It's only been a few minutes you deleted the draft but another user who I believe is a possible sock/duck posted it in mainspace again. Thank you GSS (talk|c|em) 10:40, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @GGS: Just FYI, but after you had to move it twice from mainspace to draft, it would be best to AFD it—the third time. It makes a (quasi-)claim of significance, but once it was deleted through AfD, it could be speedily-deleted, WP:G4, so, in the long run, actually gets rid of it quicker—the next time. Cheers! —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 10:49, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry RH, ballsed up the ping to User:GSS, so you'll get another I suppose. —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 10:51, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah I know, will take it to AfD if they reposted in mainspace. I'm waiting for the original author to disclose his connection but if not I will start a discussion at WP:COIN but anyways thank you for your reply. GSS (talk|c|em) 10:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Not a same person here @GSS: i helped couple of drafts not only this one. i recommend you to protect it form creation then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayamaya7 (talk • contribs)

• #54129, re your email: no toes stepped on at all! It was a good suggestion and I might well not have thought of it.

My simple-minded but pretty reliable CoI test - look at their contribs history - tells me that Mayamaya7 does not have a CoI. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:58, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Refund

Hi, would you be able to restore Draft:Good Mythical Morning, Draft:Fact pattern and Draft:Hegel's India? I was just about the defer G13. Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 08:46, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

• Done. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:50, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Would you be able to also restore Draft:Subspace identification? – Uanfala (talk) 18:30, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

• Done. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:27, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Kennedy Town Incineration Plant

Dear Roger , you deleted my article draft:Kennedy Town Incineration Plant due to copyright violation. I disagreed with the proposed deletion and added reasons it against on the talk page. I do think that there is no violation as I am the author of the article on Gwulo. I still believe that I can use my own text on several platforms. Obviously copyright violation problems are bigger than I could imagine, so I ask your advice how to overcome this problem. — Ion Tichy (talk) 08:54, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

• Learn how to format links both wiki and external. Go to the page at Gwulo and add to it a clear {{cc-by-sa-4.0}} or compatible licence. Then re-create your page here and point out the state of page at Gwulo: in an HTML comment in the text, in your first edit summary and on the talk page. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:50, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

WP:STALE

Hi RHaworth - I don't believe you followed WP:STALE at all in deleting Draft:Century Association Archives Foundation. Can you at least paste the text somewhere (perhaps the talk of the Century Association article), even if you don't want to follow that guideline? ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 12:54, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

• Restorated. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:50, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Whoa!

I was inspecting the deletion log and I couldn't help noticing that in the space of at most five minutes between 8:43 and 8:47 am today you've managed to delete 856 stale drafts. That's almost three deletions per second!

Well, I guess that's how these things are meant to happen anyway, if there's anything I have a quibble with it's the deletion summaries. Your summary of choice seems to be "abandoned draft", but isn't there a way you could be able to include a link to WP:REFUND so peolpe are aware it's easy to request undeletion? The vast majority of people whose drafts get deleted don't know about that: the bot that used to notify cratarors has been down for weeks, and even when it was functioning it seemed to only notify creators of drafts submitted via AfC (and the last time I checked these were only about a half of all stale drafts anyway). Cheers! – Uanfala (talk) 13:11, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

• "Three per second"? It's more like fifty per second! I use Twinkle to block a user and put a note on their talk page. The process takes several seconds just to do one account. But somehow Twinkle does batch deletions with breathtaking speed. Are the G13 log entries in these batches any better? I will add the WP:G13 link to the next batch to make it complete. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:50, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Pyrrho (RDBMS)

I contest the speedy delete of Pyrrho (RDBMS). In my opinion that article fails G11 which says unambiguous promotion. Please reconsider and restore. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 13:29, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

My understanding and reading of WP:G11 and WP:Field_guide_to_proper_speedy_deletion#11._Blatant_promotion this should not have been speedied and therefore anything less than restore to article space will result likely in referral to WP:DRV unless adequate reason supplied. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 15:37, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

• I note that in a similar exercise the page survived DRV but I would still like you take this one down the same route. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:50, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Thankyou for the quick and definitive response. This enables gives me the opportunity to take the page to DRV tonight if I choose (though I may choose to wait a day or two or if I e.g. watch the footie). Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:07, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Deletion review for Pyrrho (RDBMS)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Pyrrho (RDBMS). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. — Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:23, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Kudpung/What do admins do?

Hi RHaworth. I would really appreciate if you could take a moment to participate in this. Your comments would be particularly valuable. It's not an RfC or anything like that. It would only take 5 minutes of your time. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:11, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Done. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:27, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Marine 5 and its strange history

I don't understand why Geo Swan persistently demanded that I move Draft:Unnamed fireboat, North Kingstown, RI out of draft space to user space as User:Geo Swan/Unnamed fireboat, North Kingstown, RI. They kept saying that they had a wikistalker who had tagged it for deletion. First, I am inclined to think that the IP editor is only a vandal rather than a stalker, but that is no big deal. Second, I don't know why it mattered whether it would be in draft space or in user space. Do you have any idea? I was half-thinking that they were saying that the issue is not meant to be explained to human beings. They are of course also a human being. I see that it is now in article space as Marine 5. — Robert McClenon (talk) 21:17, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

• I assume you read my comments at Unnamed fireboat, North Kingstown, RI redux above. "Do you have any idea?" I have no idea and I don't want to know! I classify Geo Swan as something of an "old woman" and am willing to let him fuss but not on this page! — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:27, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Beautiful Samurai

How do you do. You've deleted the page under the title Suay Samurai (i.e. "beautiful samurai" in Thai) for the reason "implausible redirect." But the fact is there are a lot of similar redirects in enwiki.

As for "The Vanquisher," this film is also known as "Suay Samuray":

• "This 2009 action thriller [aka Suay Samurai, aka Final Target]" (Amazon, Customer Review)
• Final Target (Thailand, 2009): Alternative Titel Suay Samurai; The Vanquisher

In addition, you can have a look at the corresponding entry in IMDb. That is why the article Chotiros Suriyawong uses the title "Suay Samuray" instead of "The Vanquisher". -- Janggun Dungan (talk) 11:56, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

• You shot yourself in the foot by not including the words "Suay Samurai" in the article. Now fixed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:27, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I see now that I've forgotten to add transcription to the original title สวยซามูไร (Suay Samurai) which means "beautiful samurai" and has nothing in common with the two English titles, viz., "The Vanquisher" and "Final Target." --Janggun Dungan (talk) 06:31, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Why did you delete my page

Dear, RHaworth, I had a page called Miss Grand International that I created today. I really worked hard on it, and you deleted it. When you put under why you deleted it, you said because there was already a page created. When I went to the link you put, it said that this page didn't exist. Would you please help me Thanks, Pageantsrule (talk) 22:56, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Page was at Draft:Miss Grand International. — Primefac. (talk) 23:06, 24 June 2018 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

Hey, it said it was deleted because it was already created Miss Grand International has not been created yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pageantsrule (talk • contribs) 00:49, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

• Your page was: written in poor English, contained shouting and the use of the first person and was devoid of references. In that state it was a speedy deletion candidate but when you see the gory history implied by the AfDs listed here it also becomes a candidate for salting.

If you insist on trying to force an article in, the only chances you have are to find a sponsor or pay someone like BC1278 to write it for you. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:29, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Deletion request

Hi there, You did a speedy deletion of Ecoscraps earlier today. I put that article through AfC since I have a COI as paid editor. To be honest, I submitted a much shorter version but the reviewing editor asked for more and more information to prove company activity in between periods when there was major media coverage. It drove me to include marginal information in order to satisfy what that specific AfC editor wanted. Then I made other changes to respond to what editors in Teahouse suggested. I'd be happy to redraft a concise version of the article, omitting BS from marginal sources. There were adequate notable sources, according to AfC and Teahouse discussions of the article. I think that holds even with the new WP:NCORP. I didn't see your note on the Talk page, so I didn't see if you addressed notability.

If this sounds sensible, would it be better to restore to Draft and let me work on it? Or should I submit through AfC again? Best, Ed BC1278 (talk) 00:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)BC1278

Thanks for restoring and adding a deletion discussion. But if it's OK with you, could you move it to Draft instead of making it mainspace right now? I can't edit the mainspace article because I have a COI and I'd like to just take a razor to this article, cutting a bunch of the material that seems promotional to me. I know I can make the suggested cuts on Talk and ask independent editors to consider making the deletions. But being able to do the cuts myself on Draft would be far easier, if you'd be OK with that. — BC1278 (talk) 00:32, 25 June 2018 (UTC)BC1278

• "I can't edit the mainspace article because I have a CoI" - ridiculous - you can certainly edit in mainspace and while an AfD discussion is open. But I think that the issue with this article is the inherent notability of its subject: no amount of tinkering with the text can fix that. AfD is the best way of getting multiple editors to give their opinion. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:29, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

• BC1278, looks like AfD was the best route for you: it may get a "keep" !vote without you doing anything! — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:02, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Module:Flaglist/size

Please review my comment at User talk:Anthony Appleyard#Module:Flaglist/size. I have to disappear for a while, but this link shows that many articles have script errors, I think due to the deletion of Module:Flaglist/size. — Johnuniq (talk) 06:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

• Fixed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:29, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Progression

Module talk:IndianPremierLeagueProgression/doc. Could you restore this page then change redirect to Module talk:IndianPremierLeagueProgression, thanks. Hhkohh (talk) 14:36, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

• A bot has done it for me. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:02, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Darren Floyd

Extended content

RHaworth. I see that the user page AdamWolpert1 was deleted for misuse of profile. There appears to have been some questioning of his contributions to the K.T.S.E. page and with fair merit. One user Jimmio78 said "You keep SAYING the credit has been confirmed by all these great sources, but then the only source you're actually including is your own tweet. And now, coincidentally, an IP address and a brand new account are suddenly supporting your changes in an attempt to make it appear legitimate. This is pathetic." in reference to my account, and IP address before I logged in, though I was simply providing sources for the changes which had already been made. While the user who said so claims that his tweet is the only source of reference he included, I observed the link provided and it confirmed that he had been working in some capacity on the project since at least April. Along with this, his profile not only demonstrated regular interaction with members of the label the album was released under, but it included acknowledgement from the artist he contributed lyrics to two days in advance of the album release (was liked and retweeted by the artist). To top that all off, there a photos he had posted on his profile which legitimize his involvement including an invite to the listening parties of ye and Kids See Ghosts, both of which were exclusive to contributing artists, celebrities, and press. Along with having proof of invitation, he also posted details about the music before it was released which he would only have knowledge of had he been a part of the projects (confirmed Pusha T feature and specific samples before audio was released). Although his personal profiles on Instagram and Facebook have since been made private, presumably due to harassment from the user(s) on here, he did have posts which were located at/from Wyoming's Diamond Cross Ranch and Jackson over the days leading up to the albums release, a personal congratulations sent to him by Teyana Taylor (which the user neglected to acknowledge), and additional photos in Wyoming. Judging by his interactions with the artists involved in these given projects, as well as his personal profiles, I was led to believe that he was in fact involved in the creative processes as he claimed and only intended to support that through my own research. I did not mean any harm to the integrity of the page, and I also did not intend to delegitimize either AdamWolpert1's contributions or Jimmio78's warranted edits. My main concern was simply that a legitimate artist was going unrecognized for their contributions, and with the research I conducted I did in fact find this to be the case. While Jimmio78's claim that his only source was his own tweet, it does not appear that the user himself did anything to legitimize his own claim of tampering. If you would like for me to provide any of my source info I'd be glad to do so and I apologize for the confusion. I did not intend to instill any hostility between users or the deletion of one's own content and contributions, nor did I intend to falsify any details or get anybody banned.

Looking forward to hearing back. Best regards and enjoy your night! Thank you for all your work on here; sorry again. DarrenFloyd (talk) 01:22, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

• Some things for you to learn. New messages are added at the bottom of this page with a section heading. Clearly you have never encountered the concept of paragraphs - a solid slab of text is very daunting. You put five links in this message: AdamWolpert1 and Jimmio78 were simply wrong because they did not include user: . Ye was of limited use because it points to a disambiguation page.

(Please note: new paragraph.) User:AdamWolpert1 was deleted for the reason stated in the deletion log: it was too much like a CV.

If you are asking me to take some aaction please tell me what, preferably in 300 bytes and certainly in a lot less than the 3K bytes of waffle that you gave me.

Very curious: the time stamp on your message looks as though it was automatically generated - but it is wrong! Are you living in a time warp somewhere? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:02, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Deletion Restore

Hi there! You recently deleted draft:Jonathan Trent. I was looking to work on it when I had time and chances are you deleted it just two days ago! Haha.. Would you mind restoring it? And also, perhaps help me get it published. It was well referenced so I'm not sure why it wasn't being approved. Thanks! Eidetic Man (talk) 12:40, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

• Learn wikilinks. Restored. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:02, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

User:Claíomh Solais

 You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:Claíomh Solais#Speedy deletion nomination of User:Claíomh Solais. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 13:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Your replies to COI editors

Greetings! I've noticed you often suggest that SPAs with apparent COIs do things like hire a paid editor or fabricate print sources that would improve the chances of their articles being accepted. As much as I'm sure you enjoy doing that (because I know I would), I feel I must encourage you not to do that, per WP:BEANS. Anyone who those thoughts occurred is likely to think it a good idea and try it. The latter is obviously problematic for our content's verifiability and accuracy, and since many paid editors are undisclosed and resort to sockpuppetry, the former is a COI and SP problem. I do believe fears of the latter are generally a little overblown, but they are still generally problems. Thank you for time, and since asking you to enjoy yourself here is probably a little too much to ask, may your administrating at least be sating. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:33, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

stalker comment. Keep up the good work re coi editors. Had to disagree with the above softly softly nice coi editor approach. Roxy, the dog. barcus 14:42, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

@Roxy the dog: I'm not sure if you're saying you disagree with me or someone else. If you are disagreeing with me, I should clarify that I'm not saying RHaworth should be nice to the COI editors. Indeed, I was fine with the way he was treating them before he was admonished at an ANI somewhat recently for biting people too hard. I just think that giving the paid editors ideas on how to circumvent our policies probably isn't a great idea. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 21:16, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

OK then. -Roxy, the dog. barcus 10:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

• "Hire a paid editor" - I think I have given that advice just once (above) more as a joke because I was amused at the proximity to a message from a paid editor. "Fabricate print sources" - I have a vague recollection of doing this just once. Remind me when and I will give you my excuse. "Find a sponsor" - you do not mention this but I am sure you deprecate my advising it. This is actually a cynical trick to appear helpful but in fact giving impractical advice. I defy you to find a case where anyone has ever followed that advice. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. I'll take your word for on it the number of instances this has happened because that seems consistent with what I can remember. Also don't mind the "find a sponsor", partly per your logic and partly because it involves contacting an established editor who will (presumably) be more conscientious regarding our policies. Happy editing. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 22:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Lucio Salvatore

Dear RHaworth thank you very much for your help, I am and researcher but new to Wikipedia... With regards to the article on Lucio Salvatore that you just deleted, I used paragraphs with the authorization from the artist to publish on Wikipedia, but I didn't know that I should have asked for the submission to Wikipedia commons in order to do so, and I thank you for your suggestion. I have been told by a message from Wikipedia to contact you in order to be able to eproperly rewrite the article. I will delete the paragraphs mentioned whenever I will be allowed to edit or rewrite the article following your suggestions. Regards, Ernstmrn (talk) 18:43, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

• I do not need a copy of a message on your talk page but I do need a link to the page in question. I see that you have submitted a new version. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:01, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Please revert your deletion

Hello RHaworth: I am not a wikipedia policy nerd, but I had a very good reason for creating the disambiguation page for Edmund Randolph, and your subsequent edit at Charles Morgan (businessman) demonstrates the need for disambiguation. Many editors mistakenly create internal links in good faith, just as you did today. The primary Edmund Randolph was an early-American jurist and the other less-distinguished Edmund Randolph was an ante-bellum American jurist who conspired to overthrow the Nicaraguan government circa 1853.

Please revert the disambig or I will need to re-write the article to make him some nameless person or else make daily changes to remove the invalid links. This would not serve the article well, but I guess that's in your hands. — Oldsanfelipe (talk) 22:09, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

• You say you are not a wikinerd. Perhaps you need to become more of one. Linking to a disambiguation page as you did in Charles Morgan (businessman) is ridiculous and a threat to "re-write the article to make him some nameless person" is just childish. What needs to be done is perfectly straightforward:
  • create a proper article: Edmund Randolph (ante-bellum jurist) (1819–1861) and put at the top of it an hat note:
    For the early-American Governor of Virginia and US Secretary of State (1753–1813), see Edmund Randolph.
  • to the Edmund Randolph page add an hat note:
    For the ante-bellum jurist (1819–1861), see Edmund Randolph (ante-bellum jurist).
  • amend Charles Morgan (businessman) to link to the ante-bellum jurist.

There is no need for Edmund Randolph (disambiguation) because wiki policy says that to disambiguate just two subjects you use hat notes. Is that all too difficult to understand? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Licensing

Dear RHaworth. The article Cole equation of state was taken from another site, but I am the author of that article, too. Anyway, as explained in its main page, http://www.sklogwiki.org/SklogWiki/index.php/Main_Page, "Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike unless otherwise noted". Same goes for Stiffened equation of state. Best, Daniel (talk) 22:14, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Ddcampayo: That wiki's non-commerical license is incompatible with Wikipedia's. Also, please place new comments below old ones. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 22:20, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi there. Sorry about the misplacement of my comment. I still fail to see how that wiki's license, which precisely coincides with donating procedures is incompatible. If you could please provide a compatible license, I can discuss an update with the wiki's mantainer. Daniel (talk) 09:55, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

• Did you actually read what Compassionate727 said? Do the words, which you quote, "non-commercial" mean nothing to you? A link to a compatible licence appears at the bottom of every wiki page. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

OK, I got it. Will try to write new articles from scratch. Thanks. Daniel (talk) 15:09, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Re: From Darren Floyd

• [This thread transferred to user talk:DarrenFloyd]

Tibor Cervanak

Hello RHaworth, I would like the text back for the article concerning Tibor Cervanak that was deleted last month. Draft:Tibor Cervanak. I have additional material for the draft. Many thanks, Jack — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaxom 88 (talk • contribs)

• Learn to provide wikilinks and to sign your messages. Restored. Do not leave it untouched for another six months. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

User:ZacharyPK sub pages

Hiya. User:ZacharyPK had been using the other pages sub pages listed here as some sort of fictional biography of real people. He blanked the page after I had added the tag. --Tyw7  (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 10:35, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Deactivate Ref

Hiya. Me again. I've added <nowiki></nowiki> tags to deactivate the references that appear at the bottom of your talk page. --Tyw7  (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 10:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Tyw7: You do realize that you can jsut add the {{reftalk}} template at the bottom of any section that contains refs and they will be "trapped" inside that section? Regards SoWhy 10:52, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Nope. Did not know that. Thanks for the tip. Edit: I've undoned my nowiki updates and used the template. --Tyw7  (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 10:54, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

• In fact I would have accepted the use of <nowiki> but I cannot forgive your removal of the section heading. But as you can see, I have gone for a more radical way of dealing with this waffler. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Whoops. Sorry. The heading was accidentally removed as I forgot to copy it over from the older edit. --Tyw7  (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 14:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Emotional Speech Blocks Deletion Syndrome

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Five Star Senior Living

Please Undo your deletion of Talk:Five Star Senior Living. I added that message to contest the deletion of the page. I was told that is where to place the message. — Nolan Perry (talk) 15:42, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Nolan Perry: We do not keep talk pages of deleted articles. Presumably, your objection was noted at the time of deletion and deemed insufficient, though knowing RHaworth, it is hard to say if that actually happened. If you believe the deletion was in error, the correct way to proceed is to ask the deleting admin to undelete the article itself and explain why you believe their deletion was erroneous. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 17:31, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Alternatively, you can request that the page be restored to your userspace or draftspace and briefly explain why it would help you proceed if that was done. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 17:34, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I Simply Followed the Instructions of the Template left on my talk page. — Nolan Perry (talk) 17:44, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

@Nolan Perry: You were to correct to contest the deletion that way (unless it had already been deleted when you contested; in that case, you should have come straight here). Once the page is deleted, you ask the deleting admin to restore, not create a talk page without a companion subject page. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 19:01, 28 June 2018 (UTC)