User talk:RHaworth/Archive to 2007 July

wikify!
I am sick and fed up with people who leave a message here about an article and fail to provide a wikilink to the article. How do you expect me to read the article if you don't link to it?
I reserve the right to ignore any message which does not provide links where appropriate or has not been signed with ~~~~. Even if the article has been deleted, you should still link to it.
And if that sounds like a grumpy old man, it's because I am ...

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CV Madhukar

Dear Wikipedian, I rewrote the article CV Madhukar, that you proposed for deletion, and discussed why I believe it to be relevant. It would be kind of you to answer if you agree or disagree before the deletion period get's over. Buergerbeck 06:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

• Of the external links you have created, which ones provide independent evidence of the guy's notability? -- RHaworth 06:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
• Dear Wikipedian, I understood references and not external links as the place to proove the correctness of the statements and thereby also the notablity of this person. First of all the Mint article shows interest of the press. The article reads: "The briefs are sent to all the MPs, about 700 journalists and 1,000 non-governmental organizations around the country." And: "Madhukar said his six-person team, financed by the Ford Foundation, is the country’s first non-partisan research service focused on pending legislation." If you kindly see this together with some interesting facts about the Salary of Indian MPs, such a source of information is even more relevant in India than it would be in the UK with the broad research facilities available to the House of Commons. From the The Salary, Allowances and Pension of members of parliament act you can read that MPs in India get monthly 16.000 INR (see point 3) plus hence to the The Members of Parliament (Office Expense Allowance) Rules 20.000 INR for office expenses including "a computer literate person (...) engaged by a member for obtaining secretarial assistance in Delhi". Therefore, as a comparatively very bad equipped parliament the MPs rely even more on such external assistance. Additionally, the links I'm adding now about articles influenced by PRS Legislative Research through data sets compiled for the authors further proove the influence of CV Madhukar on not only legislators but also the press debate. As I wrote before, only MP interviews could reveal which influence such a project has in the end of the day. But if Wikipedia is not a project especially also to reveal such influences on legislators in general, than I don't know what else for. I never saw the List of gay porn stars as the heart of the project. With kindest regards from New Delhi, Buergerbeck 10:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
• And if it may be a bit more colourful and less theoretic for you, kindly follow the links to CV Madhukar's Fellowships: Class of 2004 on the page of the Edward S. Mason Program of the Harvard University and CV Madhukar: Parliamentary Research Service (PRS) on the page of Echoing Green. These links are References in the last paragraph of the Madhukar article. Buergerbeck 11:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Xerosun

Hello Mr Haworth, I'm wondering why my document xerosun was deleted, having spent alot of time talking to 3 previous wiki admins, and verifying that the content was ok and the notability was met, it was subsequently removed from speedy deletion by a wiki admin. All this information was on the talk page. Can you please explain why the page was deleted please? Was there some content or something in there that I can re-write or fix to solve the deletion reason. Im new to this Wiki stuff, and still learning.

Thank you in advance Xerosun 09:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

• I am sorry, but I have a very simple mind. When I see an article entitled xerosun written by user:xerosun, my spam alarm bell starts ringing. But I am feeling kind, you may have an AfD. -- RHaworth 12:28, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Crypto Phones

Crypto PhonesI have corrected some informations in this page. I am a student in Germany and the name of my seminar is Crypto Phones.I do not want to write a Advert of a company. I try to discribe the Security factor of the common GSM phone und the crypto phone. This article is a result of the seminar „security in mobile communication“ which was held at the Communication Security (COSY) Group at the Ruhr-University Bochum, Germany“. Thank you.

Zander

The user named "dooyar" was in the process of pasting a link onto the page about Roosevelt Zanders when you destroyed the page. I will try making the article one more time. Then I have to get on with my life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dooyar (talk • contribs)

Crap

What's the problem with [Crap Circles]? It's a widely recognized phenomena in buisness management. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ncjks (talk • contribs)

Element TD

May I request a reason for why the Element TD page was deleted? I looked over the discussion for its deletion, and none of the administrators brought up any good points. I believe the problem is that the mods/administrators are NOT familiar with Warcraft 3. As a result, I do not believe you should be deciding if an article is important or not, when you know nothing about the game it is for. --Karawasa 03:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

• See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Element TD. -- RHaworth 05:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Element TD. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Karawasa 06:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Denvilles halt

Having given way to the temptation to tidy up Denvilles halt I found during the work, from my copy of Butt's The Directory of Railway Stations (P.78), that the LB&SCR opened Warblington Station as Denville in 1907. I thought you might find this ironic given events during the dispute. Someone at the time thought so; they renamed the station within the year (Ha! now I look at book more closely, within the month!) This may explain why you found Warblington and the only Denville you could find suspiciously close, as per your comment on the article's talk page. Butt has no reference to this Denvilles halt. Your comments are welcome on the quality of my changes to the article. Britmax 10:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

OSGB36 and WGS84

I know that you are aware that Template:Oscoor converts grid references to OSGB36 lat/longs, but the Map sources/GeoHack page expects WGS84 lat/longs. It means that Template:Oscoor, and all the templates that use it, e.g. Template:gbmapping, are of little use if you want to pinpoint the exact location of a building or street. (Similarly, the grid references generated via Template:coor are also inaccurate by 100 m or so.) However, User:The Anomebot2 (a bot) is correctly converting grid references found within articles into WGS-84 latitude/longitude in Template:coor title d. Such articles then contain two geo refs which are displayed as about 100 metres apart.

Would you be able to modify your software to perform the datum change? See here for details how to do this. This gives even more detail.--Dr Greg 18:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

• Noted – will reply soon. -- RHaworth 23:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

CircuitLogix, etc.

The articles CircuitLogix, Colin Simpson, Principles of Electronics, and Electronic circuit simulation have had references and sources added, peacock terms removed, and have been rewritten from a neutral point of view. Please let me know if these changes meet your requirements. -- Carl142 12:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Miniature and terrain manufacturers

Hi there.

Given the terms you state in your deletion notice that seems a fair enough POV. No objection from me if you delete it. List of miniature and terrain manufacturers -- Hurcheon 07:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks. We can just leave it and someone will remove it when the prod expires. Do feel free to put the list on your own website. -- RHaworth 07:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Spasmodic dysphonia

Hi there; I just deleted this article as copyvio, which it seems to be, but immediately restored it on seeing that you had done so shortly before, for what must surely be a good reason. The article still exists, together with its {{speedy}} tag. Why is it not speediable?--Anthony.bradbury 21:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• I could not believe it could still be a copyvio after 120 edits! I was working on the theory that someone had replaced a legit version with a copyvio. I was working back through the history and either got bored or got called away. On further examination, I note that the first version is marked

Yes. Delete or leave?--Anthony.bradbury 22:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• Sorry, got called away again. Answer is keep – see the talk page. -- RHaworth 00:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Kevin Meek

A also said on the author on talk page, I actually do not really disagree with you. When I saw the comments on the closed AfD page, I just moved them onto the talk page because of other examples where late comments arrived and because of lack of a better idea. That means, howver, that Kevin's comment are now still present in the history of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Meek. So sorry, as it was not my intention to meddle with the AfD or comment on the outcome. --Tikiwont 10:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

• No need to apologise, what you did was perfectly correct. I just went a little further (and on reflection regretted sending him the text in an e-mail since it was still there in the edit history of the AfD.) -- RHaworth 18:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

image licence

You placed this arrogant remark on my talk page:

• The first tag you applied to File:Victoria & Albert Museum - Akali Turban.jpg: {{self|GFDL-no-disclaimers|cc-by-2.5}} was fine. If you are going to mess about applying your own licence ideas, forget it. -- RHaworth 23:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I did not "mess about applying my own licence ideas", I simply used a "no derivative works, no commercial use" image licence tag for a photograph which I took, added (as required by the text on that licence template) "fair use" and "fair use, non-commercial" and "hang on" tags plus (also as required by the text on the wikitags) a fair use rationale note that, as the creator of the photograph, I gave wikipedia permission for its use. A perfectly reasonable position, with the tags obtained from the, rather convoluted, wikipedia image licences pages. For you to ignore the "hang on" tag, disregard the fair use rationale and merely delete the image without any discussion is high-handed, unpleasant and unsocial behaviour. To compound it with this remark on my talk page is arrogant in the extreme. Jacob 09:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

• I am very sorry if you feel that way. But even if the image had been of professional quality, I would have said the same. If people are not willing to release the their own images under straightforward GFDL or CC licences, then they should not upload. All the "fair use" tags are intended for images which people have not created themselves. OK, I did delete it 24 minutes after you applied the hangon tag – what were the final tags you intended to apply?

But in any case, if you were willing to apply {{GFDL}}, then all other tags were pointless.

(Note that I am someone who is willing to put up images under Wikipedia's terms: see this gallery. And far from being annoyed, I was flattered to see one of my images used here.) -- RHaworth 18:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Fall Out Boy image

You removed File:Falloutboylogo.jpg and said it wasn't a logo. I only tagged it as such due to Brand New having an image tagged as such and being left on for as long as I can remember. What should I do? Cnota 06:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

• Re-upload it with a title that does not include 'logo' and put a proper tag on it – something like 'promotional' will probably do. And you had better do the same to the somewhat old File:Brand New.jpg since the original uploader seems long gone. -- RHaworth 08:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Wicked Lasers

Why did you delete the Wicked Lasers article? If you'd care to take a look at the talk page ( Talk:Wicked Lasers ) you'd see notability was established. Your deletion was out of process. Please respond here --Energman 13:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• My deletion was fully "in process" (whatever that means). The article itself was written in a not very encyclopedic style, contained one external link and had been tagged {{db-spam}}. Having looked at the links you put on the talk page, I still feel it is little more than spam. But it is a very different article from that which was deleted in October, so feel free to have another go at WP:DRV. Incidentally what is the relationship between you and user:GreenGarnet? -- RHaworth 14:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I will state the case at WP:DRV. As to user user:GreenGarnet I've never heard of him. Having looked at his page I'm not even sure he's a real person.

If you're implying that I may be some hired spam agent you can look around and see that I have many contributions in many different articles on wikipedia (there are even more edits done when I wasn't logged in). Just a FYI so you can sleep easy.--Energman 15:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Wicked Lasers. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Energman 15:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Tagging of The Pete Collective

I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on The Pete Collective. I do not think that The Pete Collective fits any of the speedy deletion criteria because given the mentions of press coverage, and the notable people mentioned as beign involved, i think this at least claims enough notablity not to ahve a speedy under A7, and i don't thinkk this is the kind of blatent advertising deletable under G11. An AfD might well delete this, but I can't be sure of that. DES ^(talk) 20:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Pathetic

You need to get a life old man

Yeah...

I am totally confused, I just didn't want this to go any further. I'm sick of it, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, and It wasn't me. I don't do that kind of stuff! I am a civil editor. Sorry. You're right. Thanks.

--Stealthrabbit ^talk 17:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction.

Referring to the link to my talk page archive. Wasn't paying enough attention to the result. Have a great evening, --Servant Saber 18:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Graham87/sandbox

Would you be able to undelete that? I meant for Template:Chopin étude audio to be deleted yesterday – but on further reflection I'll keep it around in my userspace in case I need to refer to it in future. My sandbox contained some of my previous tests. Graham87 04:28, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

• Done. -- RHaworth 04:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Graham87 04:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't understand

I didn't understand the issue or the communication. Say what? Richiar 19:06, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think so. Thanks for that clarification. I'm fine with that. I'm about 50% clear:

1) you said that I copied rendered text into an edit box which destroyed all wiki markup.

??? What was destroyed?

2) My intention on the Forum for Standards was to create an example of worse prose going to better prose for the purpose of showing a standard for how that is done. I don't think the Seabird example I posted was doing that anyway. Any suggestions?

I think that about does it. Thanks. Richiar 21:23, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

1) I assume that the differences between this wrong-method copy and this correct-method copy are obvious. But in case they are not, I will point out that one has a system-generated contents section and the other does not; one has wikilinks and the other does not.

2) Examples of prose improvement? Try this or this. -- RHaworth 08:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Roger

Dear Roger, I see that you have restored the Park Vista article. I had speedily deleted it following its tagging, as you may have seen. I have absolutely no problem with keeping it, if you believe its subject is notable enough to warrant an article. However, I would have appreciated if you notified me of your action instead of finding out by checking my logs. I know you're an excellent editor and admin, so most likely you simply forgot to do so; but please, in the future, could you pretty please let me know if you overturn one of admin actions? No grudges at all, just hoping for a better communication between us next time. Love, Phaedriel – 09:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

• Will do. -- RHaworth 17:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

"Three Coin" Afd nomination

Hello,

I noticed you began this Afd discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Three coin. Just wanted to let you know, it looks like the Afd instructions have recently changed, such that new debates are to be added at the top, rather than the bottom, of the page, to facilitate greater exposure, and guarantee discussion. I have taken the liberty of moving the debate to the top of the page. Cheers! Charlie 09:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

• I don't actually see anything to that effect. Perhaps you would like to make it more prominent. -- RHaworth 09:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

AnimeSuki

Hi, I noticed you reverted back AnimeSuki. I've editted it as AnimeSuki also provides links regarding my Tracker (AniRena) as of recently therefor I editted the wikipage of AnimeSuki with the extra info. Also, EdwardK provides a tracker for AnimeSuki aswell and wasn't noted on the wikipage.

Hopefully this solves the "reverting back" problems as it took me a bit to change it correctly, wiki editting can be a horror sometimes if you don't work much with it ^^

- Power2All

Tagging of Aglow International

I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on Aglow International. I do not think that Aglow International fits any of the speedy deletion criteria because there may well be PoV concerns here, but given the level of sourcing, and the general tone, I don't think this is the kind of blatent advertising that warrents speedy deletion. I request that you consider not re-tagging Aglow International for speedy deletion without discussing the matter on the appropriate talk page. DES ^(talk) 15:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I was the newpage patroller who put the initial neutrality-check tag on the Aglow International (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article immediately after it was created. There's definitely a need to watch the thing for COI problems, but I'm fairly satisfied that the article's subject can pass WP:NOTE and that the article's author has made a good-faith effort to keep the article balanced -- though, as an apparent first effort, there is more work to do on that front. There's also work that needs to be done on the sourcing, but I'm still convinced it'll pass a careful editorial review; if that comes into doubt at any point, I'll AfD the thing and let the darts fly as they will. If you wouldn't mind sharing any concerns you may have with the writer at the article's Talk page, I'd appreciate it. She (assuming gender) seems to be more a case of a newbie unclear on policy than a spammer, but if you get a different vibe, it would be good to bring it out for discussion. Thanks. --Dynaflow babble 06:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Canterbury University

I beg you to reconsider your nomination of the esteemed Canterbury University of the Seychelles. I have revised the article, with references, to a more balanced description; and argue that it is notable (referred to in a UK broadsheet newspaper article, and a US educational website) and potentially useful, given wikipedia's prominence on google when researching subjects such as CUotS. The article is now on my watch-list. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Deletion of Megan Mullally image

Hello, I noticed that you deleted the image of Megan Mullally – File:Golden globes 2005 megan mullally.jpg – because of a “copyvio”. I made a link to this image from Wikipedia Commons less than a month ago and at the time saw no indication that it was in violation of a copyright *1*. I am new to Wikipedia and still trying to learn all the rules, so it would be helpful to me if you could explain how you determined that the image should be deleted so that I can avoid linking to illegal images in the future. Thanks. AM01NU06 15:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

• *1* - correct – here is the image history:

Page history

• 2007-05-22 t 18:19:29 . . CrazyLegsKC (talk · contribs) (1,282 bytes) (copyvio tag)
• 2007-04-20 t 05:23:17 . . Cicero17 (talk · contribs) (148 bytes) (I took this photograph of Megan Mullally at the 2005 Golden Globes and I allow it to be used on Wikipedia.)

File history

• 2007-04-20 t 05:23:17 . . Cicero17 (Talk | contribs | block) 300×400 (23,907 bytes) (I took this photograph of Megan Mullally at the 2005 Golden Globes and I allow it to be used on Wikipedia.)

CrazyLegsKC had found the image here and it is used in this page. There is no way to avoid linking to images which are later found to be illegal except by way of general "feel", eg. an image which looks to be of professional quality but which is of low resolution is probably a copyvio. And I would be exceedingly suspicious of Cicero17's other claims to have taken images. -- RHaworth 17:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

TopToners.com

Hello, I just spent ages doing a page about a local company and Wikipedia tells me that you deleted it, but I don't know why...can you explain please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldeneagle.org.uk (talk • contribs)

• Given the number of times that Toptoners has been deleted, I am surprised that you bother to ask: blatant advertising. You can raise the matter at WP:DRV but I doubt that you will have much luck. -- RHaworth 17:49, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

What is blatant:? Isn't it inofrmation about the company? Surely this is comparable to the entries of Google, Epson, Canon and HP? If these large multinational companies can have entries on Wiki, then why cannot smaller local companies in my area also have similar entries? Surely allowing only big companies is discriminating against these small companies?

It is infor about local businses. I intend to do a page about the local common and church, pubs and some other businsses on the high street here. What wrong wtih that? Google, coca Cola and bmw all have pages, so why not local companies here? this is not fair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldeneagle.org.uk (talk • contribs)

• Wikipeida is not a directory. It does discriminate agains small companies but it is clear policy – see Notability. Anyway here is a pic of a local Lincoln company. -- RHaworth 18:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

That company has now gone. it an old [photo and out of date as a recodr shop is there. i am goind to do a page about it to.

My spelling is fine, so I think you were meant to say that my "typing it's worst". If you are going to insult me, then at least get it right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldeneagle.org.uk (talk • contribs)

• It was not meant to be an insult, it was purely an example of a Lincoln company. Thanks for the info that it has closed. But it will live long after on the web in pages such as this (which is also from a Lincolnshire organisation!). -- RHaworth 18:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Post-autonomous art

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Post-autonomous art. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Greenearrings 17:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Surface computer

I removed the deletion proposal from Surface computer, as it does not appear to be a hoax. The article will have to be expanded to include other types of surface computer rather than the one Microsoft is unveiling today, I will try to work on that when I get a chance. I notice you didn't leave a notification on the author's page. HarryHenryGebel 13:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		For assistance in directing to a bad Userification I made in my sandbox. LaughingVulcan Laugh With Me / Logical Entries 01:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

in The Ex-Pastors Userification, especially in failing to wikify it properly. Thanks for your help! LaughingVulcan ^{Laugh With Me / Logical Entries} 01:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Helping newbies

Roger, I just noticed that you put right the location of two of my sand bodxes. Thank you very much.

I visited your web site. What a quaint hobby to photograph Coal and Wine Tax Posts.

SocialJustice -- Janosabel 14:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

About Alnmouth

I didn't realise there was a command to move articles, sorry. I was told that the name of the station was now 'Alnmouth for Alnwick' by another member, and I checked it out and found it was true. The article title was already 'Alnmouth for Alnwick' in the article, though the page title was different. Sorry.--Jcvamp 18:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Charlotte Bronte – Parting

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Charlotte Bronte – Parting, by Mschel, another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Charlotte Bronte – Parting is a redirect to a non-existent page (CSD R1).

To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting Charlotte Bronte – Parting, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Please note, this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion, it did not nominate Charlotte Bronte – Parting itself. Feel free to leave a message on the bot operator's talk page if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot. --Android Mouse Bot 2 00:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Heading Home Hennapin

I changed the speedy on this to a prod, to allow times for checking copyright and removing spam. Hennapin county is a major innovator among US governments, & its projects are very often notable. I think I've advised the author in a sufficiently directive way. DGG 23:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Panorama Workflow

Can you give a reason for deleting pages without a discussion? Spherical Panorama Workflow and Cylindrical Panorama Workflow. -- John Spikowski 02:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

• a) There is absolutely no need for placeholders; you do not need an AfD to delete a placeholder. b) Spherical panorama and cylindrical panorama will probably be more appropriate titles; I do not think that "workflow" is needed in the titles. c) panorama should not be capitalised. -- RHaworth 08:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll just re-add the pages when I'm done with the boiler-plate pages I'm working on off line. You sure make it difficult to get other editors involved in helping build a page. So what is the Wikipedia's time restriction to have a page completed before folks like you delete them without reason? ( an hour or two?) John Spikowski 08:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

• I feel that an hour is a reasonable time to wait before deleting a "false start" article. But a page which is purely a placeholder can be deleted instantly. Anyway Spherical Panorama Workflow had not changed for more than 24 hours when I deleted it. I always recommend people to use a personal sandbox when developing articles.

Also could you please change Category:Panorama Photography to Category:Panorama photography or, probably better, Category:Panoramic photography and change all the articles in that category? -- RHaworth 08:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Why was my article deleted?

Why did you delete my article on Chav United Football Club???? [this] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richyf50 (talk • contribs)

• Nominated as "patent nonsense". Certainly it was unreferenced. Did you actually read the first message at User talk:Richyf50? Have you read WP:ATTRIBUTION? -- RHaworth 17:14, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

coor gbx

It is proposed to replace {{coor gbx}} (and a number of others) with {{coord}}, which offers additional functionality and displays coordinates on the page; please use the latter's talk page to raise any issues. Andy Mabbett 22:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Non-notable biographies

The bios you wanted to keep here (James William McGhee and Maria Hart) still have no hint of evidence of notability; and still have obvious COI issue like the one you voted to delete. Since you argued that they were notable, could you try to add the evidence please? Or should we try AfD again? Dicklyon 05:20, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for correcting my namespace vio (Indian butterflies...). Regards, AshLin 09:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Rieger

How can I link up Alexandra Rose Rieger and Alexandra Rieger without duplicating her name. Can you please help me reinstate the article erased and put in proper terms? Thank you.RiegerC3

• If and when someone else writes the article, they will use #redirect. -- RHaworth 03:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my AfD

I'm using WP:TW and apparently, when I first submitted the article, the steps didn't quite complete.. and when I tried to fix that, I just screwed things up more. Thanks for fixing that! Iknowyourider (t c) 19:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

• Perhaps Twinkle is more trouble than it is worth. -- RHaworth 19:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Merry Christmas Mr. Baxter

Appreciate the fix – I didn't realize what I'd done until I saw how you'd fixed it. Merci bien. Melos Antropon 23:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that

Thanks for fixing my article title and putting it in my sandbox. I just wasn't paying attention. -Chunky Rice 17:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk!!!

Thanks for your comment on Don Byas/Comments. I agree with it. The sub-page was automatically created by the template on the talk page. It looked strange to me too. The issue has already been discussed on Template talk:WPBiography. -- Hollomis 23:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

• (You are allowed to use links here, you know!) I don't really like the idea of separate "/Comments" pages but but as long as they are in the talk: namespace, I don't mind. I hope this edit has fixed the problem. -- RHaworth 05:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi

You added a deletion tag to the article i created List of passengers and crew onboard RMS Titanic; however, the list is still incomplete, and i plan to include statistics as to where the passengers survived, the officers positions etc. And given that the article is a day old I'd say it was a little premature to consider deletion. Brent Ward 12:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

• But it would still be unencyclopedic listcruft in a year's time – why not get it put down speedily? A list of Titanic people who have there own Wikipedia article, that I would allow, but he full roll call, no. -- RHaworth 21:50, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Kirkyans

Hey there RHaworth I agree in part with your comments here, but you'll note that the blog in reference isn't mine. Best, Kdevans 15:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Traxon Technologies/ Traxon

Hi there RHaworth,

could you possibly tell me, why you deleted the page Traxon yesterday? I have to admit, it is quite difficult to understand the admins comments and reasons for deletion. I really do not get the point why it was deleted. I put a lot of effort into the creation of the entire text and tried to make it as neutral and informative as possible. To link it with articles and webpages etc. So I would really really like to know how to improve it that it stays in wikipedia and fulfils all necessary criteria! Thank you in advance for your help! Dopatx

• I deleted and restored it. It was Tone who finally deleted it. The comment on one of your images says it all: "Created by Traxon Technologies Design Team". I assume the same goes for the article, ie. it was pure spam. The best way to get an article here is to wait until someone with no COI writes it for you. -- RHaworth 02:40, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi RHaworth, Alright, I think I get your point, thank you for the quick answer. About the image: It is the official logo that you can also get on the homepage of the site. So nothing particularly advertising but only stating, that this is the official company logo. The information gathered was collected of various articles in professional magazines of this industry, plus some facts of the website. I really do not understand, why that classifies the article as Spam – could you please tell me? Thank you! Dopatx

• Mainly the fact that these are your only edits, suggesting an spa with a pupose to promote Traxon. -- RHaworth 04:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Rhaworth, But it cannot be possible that you accept only entries being made by users that write more that one article? *1* I don't think everybody can spend so much time editing various articles. So, do you feel, that the article's qualitiy was not ok? Were there particular parts, that made you perceive them as promotion material? I took a look at articles that are related to the professional field, like Osram, Philips, Zumtobel etc. Osram and Zumtobel just have a stub – only a short entry about what they produce and where their headquarters are located and Philips had an enourmous section about their company at war times. But there has to be something in between?! When I look at pages like Chanel or Louis Vuitton, I don't perceive the text structure so much different from the [Traxon] text *2* - they also mention the company as such, brands etc. BR and thanks,dopatx

• *1* Why not? See this where a 400 (!) edit threshold is laid down. *2* It is not the text that matters, it is the company's notability. But I still think you have a COI. -- RHaworth 15:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

University Musical Society

RHaworth,

According to the Deletion log it seems you deleted a page I just created: University musical society. I'm wondering why. Could you please assist me in letting me know what the problem with the content is so I can fix it, or let me know what process I need to go through to get the page back up?

Immediately after creating the page I received a message that the page was up for speedy deletion as it "does not assert the importance or significance of its subject". As instructed, I added the hangon tag and posted an explanation on the Talk page. The reason on the Deletion log was "blatant spam on a silly title", and I'm not sure what that means.

If you could assist me or provide me with some direction on what I should do next I would greatly appreciate it.

Erikabean 19:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC) erikabean, University Musical Society page creator

• Student societies are not generally considered notable. Other things that put me off (though they could have been fixed) were: a) the arrogant title – is yours the only university musical society in the world? b) the nauseatingly spammy / peacock language, c) no external independent references, d) a whole slew of invalid categories. But by all means take the article to deletion review. -- RHaworth 19:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

RHaworth,

Please let me offer my response:

UMS is not a "student society" by any means and have never been one. We are a non-profit arts presenter, one of the top five in the country, along with Carnegie Hall, the Lincoln Center, and the Kennedy Center. Our name, which you call arrogant, has a 129-yr old history, and I think it's arrogant that you feel you can delete an article and undermine the worth of an organization based on a name that was created 129-years ago and currently has tremendous cultural significance in the area. UMS has presented a great many famous musicians, orchestras, and conductors over the years: Vladamir Horowitz, Berlin Philharmonic, Vienna Philharmonic, Leonard Bernstein, Isaac Stern, Yo-Yo Ma...the list goes on and on. The "nauseatingly spammy / peacock language", for the most part, is the same as on our website and in our brochures, written by a professional copyist, with consultation by some of the top writers for arts organizations in the country. As for the "invalid categories" -- the extensive listing was intended to aid searchers in finding our organization, as we've found most users search for thing were are associated with (Ann Arbor, University of Michigan, Hill Auditorium, etc.) rather than our organizational name specifically. I can certainly remove some of the categories if that is necissary.

UMS is a incredibly important institution in the Ann Arbor community. I noticed that other area arts organizations (such as the Ann Arbor Symphony Orchestra) have wikipedia entries and I see no reason, including your reasons stated above, why UMS should not be allowed to have a wikipedia entry.

I ask you to please reconsider and remove the UMS page from Deletion. For more information on the organization, please let me know -- I can provide further information. Or visit our website: www.ums.org

Thanks, Erikabean 19:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC) erikabean, University Musical Society page creator

• Sure it was a professional copyist but can't you see that the language on your website is not the language we want in Wikipedia? Create an encyclopedic draft at User:Erikabean/sandbox and raise the matter at deletion review. -- RHaworth 19:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

RHaworth,

How can I get my original page/copy back to put it in my sandbox?

Erikabean 20:04, 28 June 2007 (UTC) Erikabean

• I felt it would be better for you to start again from scratch but if you want it, there it is. -- RHaworth 20:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

RHaworth,

I've been reading through wikipedia articles of similar organizations, and I understand that you would like the UMS article re-written to read like an encyclopedia entry, which I am happy to work on. UMS certainly wants our article to be as useful as possible to wiki readers.

Since we've clarified that UMS is not a student society and the original purpose of deletion ("blatant spam on silly title") does not apply, will you please reconsider my request to re-post the University Musical Society article?

I see nothing in speedy deletion that states that bad grammar, poor taste in writing, or writing in a non-encyclopedic format justifies an administrator deleting an article.

Based on the dialogue above it seems the article was chosen for deletion based on the name of the organization, of which I obviously have no control over, and your assumption that it was a student society (based on the name). If you'd read through the description, or taken the time to visit our website, I'm sure you could have easily gathered that we do not fit into a student society category.

If it's possible for me to get the UMS article re-posted through you I'd appreciate it. I'm asking as I'm finding the process at deletion review a bit hard to understand, and am new at this whole wiki thing -- and though I'm trying to learn -- sometimes, as they say, it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I now can't even find the UMS article in the Deletion Log, and can't find my article in any sandbox... *1*

If you're willing to remove the UMS article from deletion and re-post it I will happily rework the content to fit better into the "wikipedia language" by the end of the work day Monday and keep you updated on my progess to ensure that the article then meets your qualifications.

I appreciate you considering my request -

Erikabean 14:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC) erikabean

• To my objections above, I would add: e) copyvio from here and other pages on the same site, f) obvious COI. When you created the article, you saw the message "Promotional articles … will be deleted". What makes you think that message does not apply to you?. "Blatant spam" still applies in my view. I have restored the article to your sandbox. That is the most I am prepared to do. *1* The log entry is here and your sandbox is User:Erikabean/sandbox – did you not see my link to it above and did you not see that link change from red to blue? Instead of writing long messages here, why not devote your time to improving the article? -- RHaworth 17:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Rms125a@hotmail.com

Thank you for keeping an eye on this, Haworth. And thank you, as well, for keeping me apprised. This bastard simply will not quit. He needs to find another blasted hobby! ---Theoldanarchist_Comhrá 17:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

User:AnonymousDissident/talkpage

Please restore the contents of this article. I will then cut the contents, and you can redelete it. I will create a more suitable name, such as User:Anonymous Dissident/talkheader. It is imperative you do this soon, because my talk page is now in disorder. Thank you. Anonymous Dissident^Talk 22:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

No worries. Have recovered the contents myself, and am now creating User talk:Anonymous Dissident/header. Anonymous Dissident^Talk 22:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. And actually – thanks for deleting that old page. You were only doing your duty. It had to be deleted, of course, because of the 1. abscence of the user talk space 2. the lack of a space between "Anonymous" and "Dissident". Thanks again, Anonymous Dissident^Talk 22:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Subikar/talkpage

Can u give the reson sir why you have deleted my Insurance underwriting process page. Is there any reason of moving. As per me it is a relevent content.

I will wait for your response. :)

Thanks Subikar

• As far as I know, I have dleted none of your edits. Ben W Bell felt that Insurance Underwriting was an unwanted content fork. I agreed with him and felt that insurance underwriting process was also one. If you have anything new to say on the subject, please add it to the existing article. -- RHaworth 16:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

William A. Alter

May I ask why you deleted William A. Alter's page?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hjohnson alter (talk • contribs)

• I deleted it during the course of history merging since you had created multiple copies of the article. See this moan. All edits have been restored. However I may well yet send the article to AfD since I am dubious about the guy's notability and your name suggests a COI. -- RHaworth 23:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The reason why I had so many pages was because I am new at this and learning as I go. You on the otherhand seem to know a whole lot. Mr. Alter is a known man in the U.S.A in the real estate biz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hjohnson alter (talk • contribs)

Moncton photo gallery

Hello RHaworth!

You recently put a deletion tag on a photo gallery I made (I assume you found it while browsing new articles). No hard feelings or anything lol. I was just wondering if you know how to transfer a gellery over to the commons as I have no experience with it. If you could help me out it would be greatly appriciated! Thanks in advance.

Stu pendousmat 22:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• Upload the images to The Commons in exactly the same way as you uploaded them here. Mark the images here with {{subst:ncd}}. Fix the remaining links in commons:Moncton photo gallery and you are done. Simple! -- RHaworth 23:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Temple of the FreeSpirit

Why did you delete the artical I posted on the Temple of the FreeSpirit? I have went through pains for the founder trying to figure out how to post an artical the rightway. and i feel that because its a new group thats dedicated to theistic Satanism is the MAIN reason it was deleted! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ballcraft (talk • contribs)

• (We prefer the spelling "article".) The objects of the group have nothing to do with the deletion. The simple fact is that it is not notable. You can plead for its undeletion at DRV but I doubt whether you will have much luck. -- RHaworth 06:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

So just because it's a newly founded group your just going to delete an article about? What does it take for it bo be acceptable to you for it to be mentioned in Wikipedia?founded by a LaVey? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ballcraft (talk • contribs)

• See Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Membership in the thousands and recognition by reputable news media would be a start. -- RHaworth 06:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

since your so bent on denying any article i post on either Joseph Perkins or his group,I deleted everything about him and his group and wil let another member of his order deal with this oppression of new groups that are theistic and not laveyan which is what this is basically about!

Signaller

Thank you for your comments regarding my edit of the above page. They have been duly noted, and will be used if ever the need arises again. Jonfun 16:44, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Beaumont Cut in Tendring?

Sorry! At least I got it right on the parish history page link. ATB. --Old Moonraker 17:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC) a

Leason's

Sir thankyou can we like talk one on one because you look like a professional and i am new so a few tips could be helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blux 3 (talk • contribs)

• Tip: review your contributions and see what has happened to them. -- RHaworth 12:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

List of eruvin

Hi! Thanks for your attention on this article. I understand very well why it was nominated for deletion, but frankly I was confident from the beginning that the subject was too important, to have any chance to be deleted. I think AfD procedure gave the right push to improve this article, and I think it has a lot of potential to be much, much better in future. BTW enjoyed your website on the coal and wine tax posts. I think you should consider writing about this subject here in Wiki. Regards. M0RD00R 22:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

How do I expect....

I expect you know how to use Wiki's search feature. If you don't, learn.

Coulsdon North railway station

Coulsdon North railway station – uh how do you expect us to know where something is if you don't us? Hard to categorise something, esp. since you didn't do it yourself, if we don't know where Couldson North is. Just like you don't want to search to find an article, I don't want to google something on wiki to find out basic info like where the subject of the article is located. 172.135.96.6 00:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Courtesy blanking

Just to let you know, I courtesy blanked a thread in one of your talk page archives, relating to a speedy you did on a self-promotion article. The subject wasn't enamoured at some of the comments left there by other users, given your talk archive was the first Google result for his name for some reason. --bainer (talk) 06:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Comba-Tai

I would like the Comba-Tai [and Comba Tai presumably] page completely deleted because there was not adequate time given to the discussion of this page. It is my belief that there were some inflammatory ignorant statements made against this African American Martal art that are legally noteworthy. I am the proprietor of this system and I formerly request that the Comba-Tai page be completely removed. It is my belief that Wikipedia procedures lend to a high degree of biases which is unworthy of any martial art. By the way, there is no where stated in any Comba-Tai article that immigrant “Nights Templar” went to Jones County. Such ignorance is indicative of what I believe to be bias evaluators on this page. Also the “Asian etymology” of some of its techniques is evident in the Asian systems it practices. Again this look’s like bias ignorance that looks really bad. I mention these areas because they were made by people who agreed to delete this page. 90% of the comments are opinion, none are based on fact. What encyclopedic value it that. So please remove any mention of Comba-Tai from what I believe to be an international disgrace. --216.241.52.114 22:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Vitra

You're right about the edit summary, sorry. I thought the tool I used would prompt me to enter one, but it didn't. Sandstein 09:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

File:BIA dests 073.jpg

Thanks for uploading or contributing to File:BIA dests 073.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use. Suggestions on how to do so can be found here.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. MER-C 08:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Leeds Town Hall

Hi,

Leeds Town Hall is on my watchlist, it was deleted on July 13th for copyvio and then quikly replaced with a much shorter article. I never saw a deletion tag on the article, if I had I would have contested it. It seems that some copyvio material was removed in Aug 06 (Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems/Archive 7#Leeds Town Hall) so unless the copyvio material was reintroduced the deletion seems a bit harsh. could you look into it for me please, I cant seem to find out who deleted it and I'm tired, there may be some clues on the talk page that I have overlooked. kindest regards. King of the North East 23:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

• I see that someone has undeleted it for you. -- RHaworth 14:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Cars.com

Hey there, Last year I tried to create a very brief page about the company I work for, Cars.com. It was deleted as promotional by you.

Cars.com is a giant automotive research site in the U.S. Our main competitor, Edmunds.com, has a page on wikipedia. It features almost identical content to what I posted about Cars.com like History of the company etc. I think some of the wording I copied from our own "About Us" page might have sounded promotional. Can I revise that language and repost the page?

Just because I'm posting information about a company I don't think all of it can be considered "promotional" correct?

Links you requested

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cars.com&action=edit

Edmunds.com

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Carscomblogger (talk • contribs)

• I take a firm line on any sort of promotional stuff so keep your fingers crossed that I don't notice it if you repost it. But you are making the most naïve mistake of using an ID that screams "spammer". At least your previous ID of Anooponnet left people wondering. -- RHaworth 14:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Anoop wasn't me, another employee, the content was mine. I use IDs that are transparent on purpose. What I'm saying is what wouldn't be considered promotional? Clearly the site is big enough to be wikipedia worthy right? I'm seriously asking you as someone who can delete articles what would be acceptable? A simple description with links with no history? What makes our competitor (with an almost identical business model) acceptable to be on Wikipedia? Every publication I've ever worked at has a page on Wikipedia. None have been as large as Cars.com.Carscomblogger 15:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

• I have to admit that the Edmunds.com article was obviously originally written by someone from that company – see their contributions. It really goes against the grain to advise a spammer but:

• Wikify – the "shape" of an article counts for a lot
• Make it longer than the stub you had before – aim for about half the size of the Edmunds.com article
• Above all, provide independent references to show that the site is notable.

-- RHaworth 15:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I do appreciate the advice and would rather engage someone in the community than just keep posting content that is seen as spam. I've written new content that is free of promotional verbiage and is quite to the point. I'll look for some third party links as well before reposting. For the record I don't see myself as a "spammer" I just want to see my publication properly represented in the space. Also, I'm not in the PR or marketing dept. I'm in the editorial dept. Carscomblogger 15:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Coal tax post

Thanks for the Geograph pointer. I've uploaded one of your pictures because it shows an 1851, rather than the more common 1861, version. --Old Moonraker 21:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

• Glad to be of assistance. There are 300 more where that came from – see this lot for example! -- RHaworth 22:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

• "A few have survived" : I meant the 1851 (granite) style. Do you know how many of this older pattern there were, and how many there are now? --Old Moonraker 19:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Anandmurti Gurumaa

I've noticed that Anandmurti Gurumaa had hangon and no speedy, so I removed it. It was a prod, which has been removed and more content in. It does seem possibly notable to me, but I would like someone else to confirm. If it's not, and not quite speediable, I'll set it up for AfD. -WarthogDemon 17:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

• It was a fork anyway. I have merged the history to Gurumaa. Send it to AfD – created by an spa with sock puppets so probably spam. -- RHaworth 17:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Consider it done; I should've looked closer, it was also tagged dbbio. I've mentioned that in the afd too. Thanks again! -WarthogDemon 17:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

From Jonfun

Very Good :-) – (User talk:Jonfun) – Jonfun 17:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Stephen C. Ray

Thanks for finding the copyvio on that. I thought it was but for some reason couldn't find it. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 17:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Plimus entry deleted

Hi,

Could you please explain why the Plimus entry was deleted? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Plimus
It's of the same nature as Digital River

- Tal, Plimus

• Blatant spam. -- RHaworth 08:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

J-Pop

Why is the page under speedy deletion? Kis-My-Ft, the article has been there forever with little to no information and it was never deleted. And now all the pages are being deleted, why is that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TigersClaw (talk • contribs)

• No independent references to show that they exist, let alone that they are notable. Created by an spa, suggesting advertising. "All the pages" – how many more are there? I have only nominated one. -- RHaworth 13:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

• Ok if they do not exist then why is there a page for Johnny's Entertainment. They DO exist as a Junior Group along with all the other ones listed on the Johnny & Associates page. There are similar articles on two other Junior groups thats Ya-Ya-Yah and A.B.C.. Its not advertising because if it is then all the information on debuted groups and juniors would have been deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TigersClaw (talk • contribs)

Transandine Rly

Thanks very much for sorting out the mess I made of the Transandine Rly article. I'm fairly new to Wiki and am still learning the rules. Regards David(Talk • Contribs) 20:30, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Sam Weller

Thanks a lot for helping move around the Sam Weller page! I've been working on it, slowly and clumsily, for a couple days, and grappling with the fact that Sam Weller was already on Wikipedia, but in a fictional form. Your help here is greatly appreciated. You rock, sir. NOK4987 00:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Vise-Grip

I don't understand why you removed the db-move tag I put on the Vise-Grip redirect page. I gave a reason for what I was doing, and you didn't give a reason for not doing it.--Jwwalker 05:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

• Poor instructions. When I looked at the page all I saw was this redirect. When I looked at the source I got no better clue as to what you wanted. You should have used {{db-move|vise-Grip}} and put it above the redirect. But I have now done it for you. -- RHaworth 07:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

New Zealand Business Forums

message from author of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Zealand business forums

you dont even know me!! i bet you have not even visited new zealand after reading your croyden exploits. you;re fed up of people not leaving a thread for you to reply on... well im fed up of writing an article for wiki and getting it deleted... well maybe if people spent time helping one another more relevent articles can be made. i dont care about the links in the article, help me make it great. i've already asked for help time and time again but there is jsut one reply DELETE which really isnt very encouraging. and ai apologise that i do nto know as much abotu wiki as other members but we all have to start somewhere.81.179.79.205 10:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC) ukfashionhouse

• I suggest you start with the forums' own website and leave it to someone with no COI to write it up here. -- RHaworth 10:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Copyedit

What is copy edit? Copying from other source and editing it?Roded86400 14:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

• Why not look it up in Wikipedia? -- RHaworth 21:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of MMM Commentaries page

I see that you have deleted the page, on the basis that it is spam. Can you tell me then how page like this Starship Sofa is able to survive, when our content is pretty much the same? I even based the layout, wording and content on the way Starship Sofa put it on their site. The SS site has been up for quite some time, and I have watched it to see whether it was deleted. Since it has survived for so long I naturally assumed it was OK to put up a page for the MMM Commentaries podcast, as we are on the same sort of "level" internet wise, and certainly our shows content is in a similar genre.

So tell me, how can SS survive and MMM not?Mmm commentaries 03:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

• Mainly luck. In fact Alexa has now noticed you and it still has not seen StarShipSofa. So feel free to send the sofa to AfD and your site to deletion review. -- RHaworth 04:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

• • The deletion review page states that I should talk with the admin first and try and reach a conclusion before moving to the next step. Could you please review your decision regarding the deletion of the MMM Commentaries page? Your previous statement seems to indicate that as it now shows up on Alexa it is now closer to being "worthy". I understand and appreciate now the reasons for its deletion last year – it read like an advertisement. I went to the trouble with this new one of doing it from scratch, based on a long standing and undeleted page, the Starship Sofa page. I am hoping you can review your decision on the deletion of this page, which I feel is unwarranted. I would draw your attention to other podcasts existing quite happily on Wikipedia Nobody Likes Onions and Slice of Sci-fi, both of which I feel fall into the same category as my own podcast.

Davina Kotulski

While I think Davina Kotulski was a brutal article in terms of formatting and COI, I don't think it was an A7. I turned down a CSD request for Molly McKay earlier, which is the same situation. Would you mind if I undeleted the article and sent it to AfD?-Wafulz 19:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• By all means. "Brutal" seems a strange word to use. Pure self-promotion is what I would call the article. -- RHaworth 19:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Darker Realms

I'm trying to create the Darker Realms page. My first attempt was tagged for speedy deletion and I read the pages I was directed to and I thought I had corrected the issues. I posted it as Darker Realms LPMud which seemed to be case sensitive and the page didn't come up in any searches unless it was typed in exactly so I reposted it as Darker Realms before I realized there was a move feature and before I could attempt to correct any of those mistakes all the pages were deleted. Could you please tell me what I have to do to get the Darker Realms page created? Pderrien 14:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)