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November 30, 2024

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November 29, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – Later Alligator (video game) → Later Alligator – Only article with this name with the 1956 single originally titled "Later, Alligator" with a comma. A hatnote saying For the 1956 single originally titled "Later, Alligator", see See You Later, Alligator will then be placed on this page. The dab page can then be deleted. JuniperChill (talk) 21:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Al Pacino on stage and screen → Al Pacino on screen and stage – CNC33 attempted to move several of these pages at the end August/beginning of September but was reverted with the rationale that the moves had not been discussed. I'm proposing that these pages be renamed for consistency with other pages. 101 pages uses "on screen and stage" whereas 19 use "on stage and screen"
The 101 articles that follow "on screen and stage"
* Alan Rickman on screen and stage * Amy Aquino on screen and stage * Angel Aquino on screen and stage * Angela Lansbury on screen and stage * Anne Baxter on screen and stage * Audrey Hepburn on screen and stage * Ben Kingsley on screen and stage * Bill Camp on screen and stage * Bill Nighy on screen and stage * Carl Reiner on screen and stage * Cate Blanchett on screen and stage * Christina Hendricks on screen and stage * Christopher Plummer on screen and stage * Christopher de Leon on screen and stage * Cicely Tyson on screen and stage * Colman Domingo on screen and stage * Daniel Radcliffe on screen and stage * David Winters on screen and stage * Denzel Washington on screen and stage * Derek Jacobi on screen and stage * Dick Van Dyke on screen and stage * Dolph Lundgren on screen and stage * Edward Herrmann on screen and stage * Ellen Burstyn on screen and stage * Emma Thompson on screen and stage * F. Murray Abraham on screen and stage * Frances McDormand on screen and stage * Geraldine Page on screen and stage * Gil Bellows on screen and stage * Glenn Close on screen and stage * Gloria Romero on screen and stage * Grace Kelly on screen and stage * Helen Mirren on screen and stage * Ian McKellen on screen and stage * Idina Menzel on screen and stage * Iza Calzado on screen and stage * Jack Lemmon on screen and stage * Jake Gyllenhaal on screen and stage * James Earl Jones on screen and stage * James Woods on screen and stage * Jeanette MacDonald on screen and stage * Jena Malone on screen and stage * Jim Broadbent on screen and stage * John Cleese on screen and stage * John Goodman on screen and stage * John Lithgow on screen and stage * Jon Voight on screen and stage * Julie Andrews on screen and stage * Katharine Hepburn on screen and stage * Kevin Kline on screen and stage * Kevin Spacey on screen and stage * Laura Linney on screen and stage * Lauren Bacall on screen and stage * Laurie Metcalf on screen and stage * Lea Michele on screen and stage * Lea Salonga on screen and stage * Lee Marvin on screen and stage * Lindsay Lohan on screen and stage * Lizabeth Scott on screen and stage * Louis Gossett Jr. on screen and stage * Marie Osmond on screen and stage * Marion Cotillard on screen and stage * Mark Ruffalo on screen and stage * Mark Rylance on screen and stage * Martin Short on screen and stage * Mel Brooks on screen and stage * Meryl Streep on screen and stage * Mia Farrow on screen and stage * Michael Gambon on screen and stage * Michelle Williams on screen and stage * Mike Nichols on screen and stage * Morgan Freeman on screen and stage * Nathan Lane on screen and stage * Nicole Kidman on screen and stage * Patricia Clarkson on screen and stage * Paul Newman on screen and stage * Paul Rudd on screen and stage * Pedro Pascal on screen and stage * Peter Dinklage on screen and stage * Peter O'Toole on screen and stage * Philip Seymour Hoffman on screen and stage * Ralph Fiennes on screen and stage * Regine Velasquez on screen and stage * Rita Moreno on screen and stage * Rod Steiger on screen and stage * Sam Rockwell on screen and stage * Sam Waterston on screen and stage * Sania Saeed on screen and stage * Sarah Jessica Parker on screen and stage * Sarah Paulson on screen and stage * Scarlett Johansson on screen and stage * Sebastian Roché on screen and stage * Stanley Tucci on screen and stage * Steve Guttenberg on screen and stage * Stuart Whitman on screen and stage * Tessa Sanderson on screen and stage * Tom Selleck on screen and stage * Tracey Ullman on screen and stage * Vera Farmiga on screen and stage * Viola Davis on screen and stage * Whoopi Goldberg on screen and stage
As such, it makes sense to have the pages follow a consistent naming scheme. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:32, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Prison escape of Daniel Khalife → Daniel Khalife – The article was moved to "Prison escape of Daniel Khalife" on grounds of WP:ONEEVENT. Prison escapes are certainly unusual and interesting. However, since then, Khalife has also been convicted of the unusual and interesting crime of spying for Iran. His defence was unusual and interesting (he claimed to have wanted to be a double agent and sent them fake documents – apparently a foolish young man rather than a devious mastermind). Is it time to move the article back to "Daniel Khalife"? cagliost (talk) 10:24, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 28, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – List of census divisions of Ontario → List of administrative divisions of Ontario – 95% of this article content is *about* administrative divisions, not about census divisions, and I'd argue that administrative divisions are a lot more important than how the census is subdivided. Currently the page *lists* census divisions but categorizes them by their form of administration which is strange, and leads to confusing results for Brant/Brantford and Haldimand/Norfolk. A separate page about census divisions could also be created although I think just specifying within this page where there are differences would be sufficient. Somatochlora (talk) 16:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. charlotte 👸♥ 20:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Robin Hood in popular culture → Robin Hood in literature and the arts – A lot of this stuff is not "popular culture". A play performed 1475 is not going to be filmed and shown at the Cineplex. It might be studied by a university professor. Ditto stuff written in 1678 and 1712 etc. "Hodd" is an academic work. There's an 1860 opera, and an MA course on Robin. Bunch of ballads and folk tales from centuries ago at least. Probably ther're a few more.

    If there is such a thing as "popular culture" as opposed to just "culture" anymore, these aren't it. We don't want to split the article or name it "Robin Hood in popular and elite culture". And after all even comics are literature and pop songs the arts, so we're not being untrue. And there are a few articles already that use this form. Herostratus (talk) 21:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Raladic (talk) 01:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 27, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) → 2024 Lebanon war – Requesting on behalf of an IP editor. Rationale: The war is called such by all sources such as BBC, CNN, Al Monitor, etc. I would’ve included the sources but I wanted to avoid elongating this request, simply search them up on google. And regarding the 1-year of conflict preceding the escalation to a full-scale war since september 23, I think we could either split it into an article called the “Prelude to the 2024 Lebanon war” or perhaps “Israel-Hezbollah clashes (2023–2024)”, or we could simply write in the info box of the war that the period from october 7, 2023 to september 23, 2024 was a period of low level clashes, and the period from september 23, 2024 until present (or november 27 considering the ceasefire) was the main phase of the war. Almost 4000 died in total and most of them since September 23’s beginning of escalation, this was no “conflict” and all serious news sources agree. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Shi Ping (politician) → Shi Ping – Shi Ping (subject of this article) is notable for historic (politician, soldier, academic as explained in above move request) as well as current (Was oldest living man for some part in 2024, first Chinese supercentenarian to be verified) reasons. Before a boom in his page views, the article still secured around 200 views daily. The only other Shi Ping on Wikipedia is Shi Ping (aircraft designer) whose article got 26 views in a period of 30 days and more notable to mostly Chinese readers only. Hence, this former politician-cum-supercentenarian should be the primary topic. I could better explain more for specific opposes. Thanks — ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 11:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Stadion Miejski (Białystok) → Białystok Municipal Stadium – I am submitting this request to revert the article title of the stadium in Białystok to its previous title, Białystok Municipal Stadium in light of recent actions by the user FromCzech. The move to the Polish-language title Stadion Miejski (Białystok) was made unilaterally and appears inconsistent with Wikipedia's guidelines, specifically WP:UE. This guideline encourages the use of English translations where appropriate to maintain accessibility for the global readership. FromCzech has argued for the name change without prior discussion, potentially as a reaction to a naming debate on Lokotrans Aréna that I initiated. This recent move does not reflect a consensus, and it also disrupts the established consistency within the "Football venues in Poland" category, where nearly all stadium names are translated into English. Notable examples include Father Władysław Augustynek Stadium, Gdynia Municipal Stadium, Kielce Municipal Stadium, and Raków Municipal Stadium. I urge that the title "Białystok Municipal Stadium" be restored to uphold Wikipedia’s principles of consistency and transparency, while also preventing this matter from being affected by personal disputes or editing motivated by anything other than Wikipedia's editorial standards. Paradygmaty (talk) 21:09, 5 November 2024 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Gaza Strip famine → Famine in the Gaza Strip – Feedback from the recent AfD was that the article definitely needs to stay, but it could make sense to change the title. The vast majority of this article discusses the ongoing crisis and the imminent threat of potential famine in Gaza, but not an actual famine that has occurred. No official organization has declared a famine, and the few claims of actual famine that have been made at various times have generally been individuals expressing their personal opinions in informal statements such as television interviews. Reliable sources overwhelmingly do not characterize the situation in Gaza as a famine, nor do they use the phrase "the Gaza Strip famine"; this is strong evidence that "Gaza Strip famine" is not the appropriate common name for this topic. Many reliable sources use some variation of "famine in the Gaza Strip"[12][13][14] (in the context of the risk of impending famine). This wording is much more appropriate for the WP:SCOPE of the article, which focuses on the current conditions, people's reactions, and the imminent threat of famine. There is also precedent across Wikipedia, in other instances of ongoing food security crises that haven't been officially declared famines, to use the title "Famine in...", such as Famine in northern Ethiopia (2020–present) and Famine in Yemen (2016–present). I propose we follow that format here as well and rename the article Famine in the Gaza Strip. Stonkaments (talk) 05:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 26, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – Kuji-in → Kuji-kiri – The kuji-in..., also known as Nine Hand Seals, is a system of mudras and associated mantras that consist of nine syllables. ja wiki has articles ja:九字護身法 and ja:九字, currently wikidata connects Kuji-in to 九字, but the ja article only discussed the 9 characters, hand seals and such are in 九字護身法. Kuji-kiri redirects here, and is linked to 九字護身法 in wikidata. Keep "Kuji-in <-> 九字" and "Kuji-kiri <-> 九字護身法" in wikidata, then move and adjust the en article would be the easiest way to solve this. ps, one alternative to "Kuji-kiri" is to translate "九字護身法". Sohryu Asuka Langley Not Shikinami (talk) 01:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Let-7 microRNA precursor → let-7 microRNA family – It is not advisable to name the article about this important microRNA after its precursor. For context, this would be similar to naming the "p53" article "p53 mRNA". I propose renaming to either "let-7" or, preferably, "let-7 microRNA family" (per WP:PRECISION), as there are multiple variants of let-7 with very slight differences and it does not make sense to give them all separate articles at this time. This seems to be the dominant usage in the literature (WP:COMMONNAME. Compare pubmed hits for "miRNA precursor" vs "miRNA family" and you will see the later has almost 2x number of hits. In addition, miRNA precursor seems to be mostly used in the body of articles, whereas "miRNA family" is most commonly used in titles of review articles related to miRNA. A quick search reveals "let-7 microRNA family" or "let-7 miRNA family" in frequent use, but nowhere "let-7 miRNA precursor family". WP:CONCISE suggests using the shorter "let-7 microRNA family". The one weakness of this argument according to wikipedia is consistency WP:CONSISTENT; many other miRNA articles on wikipedia are named with the format "Mir-### precursor family", with many instances of "Mir-###" and some "Mir-### precursor". In general, the naming scheme for miRNA articles is disorganized and I do not think it should be dispositive in this case. Jared BioE (talk) 03:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 25, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – Shiv Sena (2022–present) → Shiv Sena – Currently, there are two separate pages—'Shiv Sena' and 'Shiv Sena (2022–Present)'—dedicated to the same political party. The party's leadership was disputed in 2022, but its existence remained unchanged. No reliable media refers to Shiv Sena as pre- or post-2022, making the current split unnecessary and inconsistent with how the party is described in sources. For additional clarity, please refer to the discussion on the talk page. I propose merging the 'Shiv Sena (2022–Present)' page into the main 'Shiv Sena' article, with developments post-2022 included as a subsection to provide a comprehensive historical narrative.
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November 24, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – Comac C909 → Comac ARJ21 – The article was previously moved from "Comac ARJ21" to "Comac C909", citing sources that claim Coma "renamed" the aircraft. However, after searching in Chinese sources, I found that the information which claim the aircraft have been renamed is actually incorrected, and what actually happened was an extra commercial name being added onto the aircraft model, and thus it was simply a rebranding attempt that try to attach a new brand name onto the aircraft. Therefore the previous move of the Wikipedia article without the new name being established seems improper and should be reversed. Sources: [63][zh] [64][zh] [65][en] C933103 (talk) 04:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 23, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – Surtitles → Supertitles – This article is currently at a trademarked name for the method. Unsure why it isn't using the original created name for the process made years earlier that is also not a trademarked name. Article also omitted mention of the original creator and only listed the guy who made said trademark as the developer until I changed it just now, so that's strange in itself. See some examples of sources at Sonya Friedman to see term usage and creation, with there also being many, many other uses of supertitles across news articles in the past several decades with a simple Newspapers.com search. Surtitles is definitely a notable trademarked term, but it is also notable in a way where it can exist in its own separate article on the specific manner of its usage. This article should be the overview article for the term supertitles and all of its history and usages, not just what it is in Canada. SilverserenC 23:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC) 22:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Raladic (talk) 23:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Larries → Larry Stylinson – Since it's been almost two and a half years since the no consensus close of the previous move request, I thought it might be time to bring this discussion back up again. A good article title is consistent, and all the conspiracy theory articles that I have examined (see Category:Conspiracy theories) use the title of the theory, not the believers. For example, there is no anti-vaxxer article; there is only a Anti-vaccine activism article. There is no Flat-earther article; there is only a Modern flat Earth beliefs article. Other ships (see Category:Slash fiction) also use the name of the ship, not the fandom, albeit this is a unique topic in that it is about real people. In the last discussion, I heard that this article is somehow different in that the scholarship is more about the believers than the theory, but that isn't exactly true. For one, there is also scholarship documenting the actual theory. But also, the psychology of the believers is also central to other conspiracy theory articles (e.g. Modern flat Earth beliefs § Sociological explanations for counterfactual beliefs), which all still use the name of the theory. Additionally, "Larry Stylinson" is certainly more precise. "Larries" could potentially refer to multiple "Larry"s or "Larrie"s, or, as the ngram viewer shows, industrial/mining equipment. Although one could argue that the ship is the more common interpretation, it certainly hasn't been historically (and we aim to avoid WP:RECENTISM), and changing the title to "Larry Stylinson" would remove all possible ambiguity. BappleBusiness[talk] 22:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Tajiks of Xinjiang → Chinese Tajiks – In previous discussions over a decade and a half ago, the main points of contention were: "Which name(s) is more commonly used in reliable sources (i.e. WP:COMMONNAME)?" and "Which name(s) is appropriate, given that 'Tajik' is a misnomer because the group is actually ethnic Pamiris?" Since the discussions in 2009, scholarly articles and books have generally been split in usage of "Tajiks of Xinjiang" and "Chinese Tajiks". Neither name solves the second problem, and adding "Pamiris" in parentheses isn't necessary, in my opinion. The group itself has a distinct history and culture, and it is not merely a situation of Pamiris being on a different side of an international border (i.e. not Tajikistan). The Chinese government uses the term "Chinese Tajiks" in English to distinguish the group from Tajiks and Tajikistanis in China. It's also worth noting that members of this ethnic group have travelled and made homes elsewhere in China, so it doesn't make sense to have an article title that limits them to one specific part of the country. This article isn't about Tajiks or Pamiris who live in Xinjiang, but a distinct ethnicity that originated from the region. The article should therefore be renamed and moved to "Chinese Tajiks". Yue🌙 01:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 17:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Alpha3031 (t • c) 21:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Red lines in the Russo-Ukrainian War → Threatening statements in the Russo-Ukrainian War – The name of this article and the use of "red lines" elsewhere in this article is misleading and a personal feeling of the article creator. Looking at Red lines in the Russo-Ukrainian War#Russian red lines the table includes 24 supposed "red lines" with links to sources included. The sources for these 24 "red lines" do not at all support the claim that the 24 items are "red lines": they are simply "threats", "demands" or other statements from Russian officials, and the term "red line" is not even mentioned by Russian officials. The article begins by an explanation of the term "red line" but then it goes on to list any "threat" or other "demand" as a "red line" without any support for the claim that it is a "red line". It is as if any news article that included the words "red line" is used as a source. A correct source would include a direct quote from a Russian official that includes the words "red line" -- otherwise it is just a "threat", "demand", or other statement, etc. Along with the article name all the "red lines" not supported by primary sources, direct quotes from officials, etc. should be changed to "threats" or other more accurate words. Examples of misleading use of term "red line": * Note 46: ** Used as a source for "red line": "Not to supply Patriot Missile system" ** The source does not support the claim of a "red line" at all, not even a simple threat, it only includes a statement from Russian official. All it includes is: "Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev warned NATO against providing Ukraine with Patriots and denounced the Atlantic alliance as a “criminal entity” for delivering arms to what he called “Ukrainian fanatics.”" * Note 36: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-warns-west-russia-will-strike-harder-if-longer-range-missiles-supplied-2022-06-05/ ** Used as a source for "red line": "No long-range missiles" ** This article does not even mention the term "red line". It simply includes threats from Vladimir Putin such as: "If longer-range missiles are supplied, "we will strike at those targets which we have not yet been hitting," Putin told the Rossiya-1 state television channel in an interview." * Note 39: https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-tanks-macedonia-thanks/31976738.html ** Used as a source for "red line": "No supplying old Soviet tanks to Ukraine" ** The source only lists a vague statement from Russian official: "On August 3, Russia said it considered North Macedonia's donation of T-72 tanks to Ukraine "a major mistake that will only help the criminal actions of the Kyiv regime."" * Note 48: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/20/europe/russia-warning-f-16-jets-ukraine-intl/index.html ** Used as a source for "red line": "No F-16 fighter jets" ** The source lists only a garden-variety threat: "Russia’s deputy foreign minister has warned Western countries of “enormous risks” if Ukraine is provided with F-16 fighter jets, Russian state media TASS reported Saturday." * Note 32: https://www.evelyn.com/insights-and-events/insights/will-markets-take-the-strain-from-the-russia-ukraine-crisis/ ** Used as a source for "red line": "NATO troops and missiles to be withdrawn from Russia's western border", "NATO to stop eastward expansion and reverses back to position in 1997". ** The source does not support this claim, it only lists "demands" of Vladimir Putin along with the word "red line": "Putin has issued three key demands to Western powers, marking his red lines in negotiations. First, he demanded that Ukraine should never be allowed to join NATO. Second, the organisation should halt its eastward expansion and roll back to its position in 1997." There are many more similar sources that do not support the claims in this article. If these listed "red lines" are supposed to be "red lines" based on the sources cited then any simple threat, demand, etc would be a "red line". It is as if this article is trying to conflate "red lines" and any threatening statement from a Russian official. Bluikkso (talk) 18:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Yifei Ye → Ye Yifei – I want to move the article based on the Chinese name format where the surname placed first. In motorsport, he always called by Yifei Ye than Ye Yifei, but to make it consistent with other Chinese figures, and people his name has to be Ye Yifei. It's not Zedong Mao, it's Mao Zedong for example. Originally it supposed to be Ye Yifei but someone change it to Ye Yife, I want to revert it but cannot. Thfeeder (talk) 15:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Larry Gatlin → The Gatlin Brothers – Most sources, including their official website, refer to Larry and his two brothers as a collective unit, with relatively little focus on Gatlin as a solo artist. Almost all of their singles, per Joel Whitburn, were credited to either "the Gatlin Brothers" or "Larry Gatlin and the Gatlin Brothers"; in fact, according to Whitburn, no single after 1979 credited Gatlin as a solo artist. While the Whitburn book uses "Larry Gatlin and the Gatlin Brothers", more modern sources such as the Grand Ole Opry website use just "the Gatlin Brothers" and refer to them as a three-piece act. As this article covers the career of the group more so than Gatlin as a solo performer, and there is more precedent toward crediting the group, I feel the article should be moved to either "the Gatlin Brothers" or "Larry Gatlin and the Gatlin Brothers". Pinging @Caldorwards4: @Martin4647:. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2024 Kursk offensive → Sudzha offensive – The entire narrative of the article is that the Ukrainian Armed Forces didn't reach Kursk, and that is why they failed. But the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not have the goal of capturing the regional center. One of Ukraine's goals was to capture Sudzha, an important transport hub to the north of the Sumy Oblast. And it succeeded. Even if you disagree with me, the offensive never reached Kursk, and therefore the title is simply misleading. MarcusTraianus (talk) 20:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – J. B. Pritzker → JB Pritzker – Largely similar to this discussion, it appears as though Pritzker stylizes his name without any periods. I can't judge if it meets MOS:BIOEXCEPT to the letter, but his official website and social medias do not use periods, so WP:ABOUTSELF could apply [66][67][68]. It also seems like his name is most commonly used without periods in reliable sources, see The New York Times [69], Chicago Tribune [70], and Politico [71], for example. Forbes [72] is the only current source I can find using periods for his name, though without a space. It does look like most sources prior to his gubernatorial run used periods, only beginning to drop them in the years since, so this could perhaps be treated as a name change. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Sceptre (talk) 20:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – May 2009 southern Midwest derecho → 2009 Super Derecho – It doesn't appear "Super derecho" as a class of storms has been used to describe too many other storms officially - user-generated sources and the old page "Super-derecho" point to a 2003 derecho in the Northeast but I can't easily verify this in reliable-source media. The sole other storm called this was verified here and exists as June 2012 North American derecho. However, the common name for this event is "Super derecho" with some variant of the date preceding, and "May 2009 southern Midwest derecho" seems to be a uniquely Wikipedia thing. Since there is no confusion when using the 2009 ambiguator, I propose that Super derecho also be a redirect here, potentially with a hatnote as the mode "super derecho" appears to be very rare, owing to structure rather than intensity (the 2020 Midwest derecho didn't have the same structure, and therefore wasn't a super derecho). Departure– (talk) 19:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Unknown Archon → ? – This "Unknown Archon" sounds like this is a proper name, but it's apparently not, this is just uppercase added to a translation of one of the general descriptions used in historiography about this story. The article is a bit of a mess - most of it is the lead section that doesn't actually summarize the body; half the body is a verbatim copy from a 20th-century translation of a 10th-century primary source, and then there's a few paragraphs which kind of say yeah none of this stuff in the lead is necessarily true true. So I don't really know if there's a good name for this topic, or if this small amount of context has potential - should it just be merged into a more general article? Joy (talk) 07:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge → United States support for the Khmer Rouge – Reopening discussion. According to the above backlog, editors have overwhelmingly voiced support for the requested move. I fail to understand @Estar8806's decision to close the discussion and sideline the consensus that is apparent. As I wrote him on this user talk: Multiple statements in the article are factual and undisputed and correspond to US support of the Khmer Rouge: 1) U.S. voted for the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge-dominated Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea (CGDK) to retain Cambodia's United Nations (UN) seat until as late as 1993, long after the Khmer Rouge had been mostly deposed by Vietnam. = diplomatic US support 2) I encourage the Chinese to support Pol Pot, said Zbigniew Brzezinski, the national security adviser at the time. The question was how to help the Cambodian people. Pol Pot was an abomination. We could never support him, but China could. = diplomatic US support has admitted by a member of the then US government (quoted here from the NYTimes source of ref 20) I will not even go on investigate the claims of political scholars quoted in the wiki article since this much is already tantamount to US support. NokGradten (talk) 08:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 11:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Klabat University → Universitas Klabat – The proposed name change from "Klabat University" to "Universitas Klabat" is necessary to align with the official name used by the institution in all formal and legal contexts. "Universitas Klabat" is the recognized and registered name in Indonesia, reflecting its identity and adherence to national naming conventions for higher education institutions. Updating the title ensures accuracy, consistency, and better representation of the university's official branding and communication. Unklabwebmaster (talk) 08:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Wikipedia:Outing (essay) → ? – This essay currently has rather poor visibility, and I believe its title is to blame. For one, adding a hatnote to the target of Wikipedia:Outing and Wikipedia:OUTING to refer back to this essay seems like it would cause more confusion than help, especially given the already-large stack of hatnotes at that target. For two, this essay may be outdated, given it was created in 2006 and its most recent edit was in 2013; due to this, it seems some of the claims in the essay may be inaccurate since Wikipedia has advanced some of its policies since then. In a nutshell, I'm opening this move request since a new title for this page is a start, though not necessarily the end nor the only fix. Steel1943 (talk) 09:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 17:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Minnesota Fats → Minnesota Fats (character) – Why isn't the article at Minnesota Fats? That is by far the most common name used here to refer to him. Every source in the article uses Minnesota Fats, to the point even his NYT obit called him that and not Rudolph Wanderone, and the word "Wanderone" is hardly used in the text of the article instead of "Fats". Sure, he named himself after a fictional character, but inbound links and page views suggest most people looking for "Minnesota Fats" are looking for the pool player and not the character. It's blatantly obvious Wanderone's legacy has far outlasted that of the fictional character from whom he derived his name. This seems a crystal-clear violation of WP:COMMONNAME to have his article at "Rudolph Wanderone", and to me, it's like if we arbitrarily decided to move Lady Gaga's article to "Stefani Germanotta". I'm genuinely shocked no one else has even considered this issue in the past ten years. Previous discussion in 2014 had everyone pulling a different direction, and me in a more hostile mood, so I'm hoping to get a consensus this time with a clearer focus from both me and others. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 00:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Hiawatha (train) → Hiawatha (MILW train) – These paranthetical names aren't quite as clear and precise as they can be since multiple other trains have used these names throughout their history. The simple parenthetical "(train)" isn't really enough to distinguish these different trains from each other. The first article is solely about the multiple trains operated by the Milwaukee Road which predate the current Amtrak train along the corridor of the same name. The name could be changed to "trains" to indicate the multitude of different trains covered in the article. The Amtrak/Via Maple Leaf isn't the only named train with a termini in Toronto, especially the historical Lehigh Valley Railroad train, which also ran to New York City, albeit with a different alignment. The name of the article could also be changed to maybe "Amtrak/Via", but the train from my understanding is moreso grouped with Amtrak. The Amtrak Palmetto is the successor of the ACL train of the same name. The fourth article is about a completely unrelated historical ATSF train operating in California separate from the current Amtrak train. The Wolverine is also the name of a historical New York Central Railroad train. Nonetheless, I don't necessarily believe in these names as final as I want them to be subject to change, and not all of them need to be implemented. I will say that if we decide that the simple parenthetical of "(train)" is sufficient in describing the articles in question, then perhaps instead the article titles for the Amtrak Pere Marquette, Silver Star, and Valley Flyer could have "Amtrak" dropped from their parentheticals for naming consistency across all Amtrak train articles. Thoughts? OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 06:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 13:59, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Tel al-Sultan attack → ? – I am bringing this discussion back up with a stronger argument and after the Good Article review has concluded. I have identified many sources calling this incident a massacre. There are likely more, so feel free to add any. They include The Guardian (opinion piece), Morrocco World News, The Peninsula Qatar, Truthout, Al-Ahram, Daily Sabah, Jacobin, Vox (Not explicitly, though cites someone calling it one, says it’s a slaughter in headline, and says Israel is massacring Palestinians), TRT World (Partially reliable) Le Monde, Middle East Eye, El Pais, The New Arab, Mondoweiss, Gulf News, Huffington Post (Disputed reliability), The Intercept, The Nation (opinion piece), Aljazeera and Aljazeera Arabic. Many mainstream media articles also cite people who describe the attack as a massacre, though do not explicitly claim it to be so. Humanitarian groups Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor and Doctors Without Borders have described the incident as a massacre. Officials of Colombia,[74] Saudi Arabia,[75] the State of Palestine,[76] and the Organization of Islamic States[77] have called the attack a massacre. United Nations Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories Francesca Albanese has called it a massacre.[78] Additionally, Hamas and the Palestinian Civil Defense in Rafah have called the incident a massacre.[79] Last time, there was also the issue of whether the attacks were intentional, as “massacre” is a loaded word that may imply intentionally killing civilians. Firstly, NYT quotes an expert who suggests Israel may have tried to mitigate harm but accepted civilian casualties,[80] and an MSNBC analysis indicates Israel should have known there were civilians in the area.[81] Al-Jazeera’s fact checking agency[82] and India Today[83] think so, and suggestions by Israel that a weapons dump exploded have been refuted by the New York Times, who found no evidence of the claim.[84] Egypt[85] and the PA[86] also allege that it was intentional. There is still the issue of what exactly to call the article in any case. We have some options:
    A: Keep it the same, Tel al-Sultan _.
    B: Rafah tent camp _.
    C: Just "Rafah _" Personisinsterest (talk) 21:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ "Who's Who: Prince Abdulaziz bin Turki Al-Faisal, Saudi sports minister and president of the Union of Arab National Olympic Committees". Arab News. 23 December 2021.
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  3. ^ "First edition of Olympic Esports Games to be held in Saudi Arabia in 2025". Arab News. 23 July 2024.
  4. ^ "Saudi Falcons led by Prince Abdulaziz Turki Al-Faisal retire from 24H Dubai 2013". Riyadh Connect. 14 January 2013. Archived from the original on 15 August 2013. Retrieved 4 March 2013.
  5. ^ "2020 World's Most Powerful Saudis HRH Prince Abdulaziz bin Turki Al-Faisal - Arabian Business: Latest News on the Middle East, Real Estate, Finance, and More". www.arabianbusiness.com.
  6. ^ "Doha to host 2030 Asian Games as Riyadh gets 2034 edition". Sports Promedia. 17 December 2020. Retrieved 4 February 2021.
  7. ^ "Abdulaziz Al Faisal, SA". Racing Sports Cars. Archived from the original on 1 February 2013. Retrieved 20 June 2012.
  8. ^ "Abdulaziz Al Faisal". Automobile Club de l'Ouest. Retrieved 21 July 2023.
  9. ^ "2013 Mans results". FIA World Endurance Championship. Retrieved 21 July 2023.
  10. ^ https://www.mos.gov.sa/en/about-us. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  11. ^ "IU Columbus completes transition, welcomes new era". July 1, 2024.
  12. ^ "IUPUC Transitioning to IU Columbus by July 1, 2024". July 12, 2023.
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